Corey and Lee talk about Jason Kenney being kicked out of the Tory caucus, the anti-lockdown in Saskatoon, the BC carbon tax, and much more. Corey is joined by Chris Sims of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation and Lee Harding of the Western Standard to discuss it all.
00:09:26.060Other things that we're telling out of Todd Lowen's letter, you know, the biggest pressures, things that we're getting on Jason's Kinney's case for all of us, whether it's outside of the party or inside, was his pandemic response, things such as that.
00:09:40.160I guess he did speak a lot to it, you know, when he was speaking up for himself before they kicked him out of the caucus there.
00:09:45.600But no, most of what he was going on about was, again, the shortcomings of leadership, issues with the doctors, issues with the coal mining, issues with fighting with nurses, and a closed leaders circle, I guess you could say.
00:10:00.740And I've heard that from a number of sources.
00:10:02.400You know, if you aren't on in what is a very small inner circle of Jason Kenney's, you're outside.
00:10:07.980You're just a barking seal on the back bench.
00:10:11.280And that doesn't allow them to speak up for their constituents.
00:10:13.940it doesn't allow them to do their full job in a representative democracy. And this isn't unusual,
00:10:18.500it's not unique to Jason Kenney. But the thing is, as a leader, if you want to pull off that
00:10:24.980sort of tightness, you have to maintain that loyalty, you have to make those members feel
00:10:29.440like they're taking part, that they're inside. And if you sit there and surround yourself
00:10:35.200with a bunch of Ontario-based staffers, and that's what it is, he imported the staffer class
00:10:40.880from Ottawa. That's just what Alberta needs. More Ottawa. Yeah, right. You want to know a little bit
00:10:45.660of why Kenny? And there's one of the areas where Todd was strong on him. Andrew has been strong on
00:10:49.160him. Kenny has been terrifically weak in pushing back on Ottawa. I mean, it's been pathetic. He's
00:10:53.820been grudgingly dragged to try and speak up against Ottawa. He struck that fair deal panel,
00:10:59.000which has now turned out to be an utter joke. I mean, it toured around. It was obviously modeled
00:11:03.640just to calm us down, just to say, here, I'm doing something about it. Go to these town hall meetings,
00:11:08.080vent your spleen, but we're not actually going to do anything about it. And it will conclude some
00:11:12.780things that we've been talking about for 20 years, getting a provincial police force, getting a
00:11:17.840pension plan, things like that. And he hasn't done a damn thing. All he did is strike more commissions0.66
00:11:22.740following that. Come on. How long do you expect us to sit still and take that crap, Jason?
00:11:28.880You've got to follow through. But where is he getting the advice, do you think, to think that0.99
00:11:33.120he can keep ignoring regionalism, ignoring the basis that the West is fed up, the West is ticked
00:11:38.620off. I'm not talking about embracing secessionism even, but just showing a strong stance against
00:11:44.140Ottawa, recognizing Ottawa is the problem. Ottawa is not our friend. We need to push back against
00:11:50.560them, and Kenny won't do it. Well, again, he's surrounded himself with all these Ottawa staffers
00:11:55.600from his federal time. He's not listening to his MLAs who are on the ground, that are talking to
00:12:01.100the constituents that are talking to the people who elected the UCP and won't elect him in the
00:12:06.140future if he doesn't change something dramatically. People are saying, oh, you're going to put the NDP
00:12:10.080back in. Nobody is putting the NDP back in except for a guy who's letting a majority party fall by
00:12:16.040the wayside. Don't blame people who have abandoned a party for a vote split. I despise that. So you're
00:12:22.640supposed to swallow a smaller mouthful of shit versus taking a chance on the bigger one? No,1.00
00:12:28.360we vote with principle. And if it means, unfortunately, that the bloody socialists0.98
00:12:34.800get in, and that would be terrible. It's not our fault. We're not going to sit back and take0.98
00:12:39.860bad governance, not over and over and ongoing. So Lohan isn't alone. He's not alone by a long
00:12:48.900shot. And this isn't over by a long shot, not even close. I hope at the very least,
00:12:55.580You know, and I'm saying this grudgingly. I'm not one of those people who was always on Kenny's case. I was supportive of him. I wanted to see the UCP do well. I wanted to see them really shake things up, bring Alberta back on course. I understand the pandemic was unexpected and it was going to challenge any party. It was going to challenge any leader. But I mean, these problems were happening before the pandemic hit, well before it. And now that we have that crisis on top of it, we're clearly seeing a crisis in leadership.
00:13:23.180I am regretfully saying it's time for Jason Kenney to go I really wanted him to do well I expected
00:13:31.680more I really respected his work in Ottawa I respected his time with the taxpayers federation
00:13:37.540in Alberta getting on Ralph Klein's case I mean he got rid of those gold-plated pension plans if
00:13:42.360it wasn't for Kenney lobbying back then they'd still be getting those gross pension plans uh
00:13:48.620and returns, but he's, he's turned into a terrible premier. I'm sorry. That's just the fact of it.
00:13:55.100You can't seem to get it together. You can't seem to maintain party loyalty. And the other part is
00:14:00.340you're not getting any voter loyalty. And then in the end, that's all that matters in a democracy.
00:14:04.720That's where you're going to see a lot more. You know, what you're seeing right now are wild rose
00:14:09.460based and he hasn't unified that as part of it too. He technically brought the wild rose and
00:14:13.780the PCs together into one room, but obviously they do not still feel like they're one unified
00:14:19.320unit. And it takes a while. If people remember farther back with the Alberta Alliance and the
00:14:24.580Wildrose Party, that was a split and we merged and it took years before we would identify as just
00:14:30.600the Wildrose Party rather than I'm from the Alliance bunch and I'm from the Wildrose bunch.
00:14:35.180Well, it also takes leadership to bring that unity, that sense to make it one group, one party.
00:14:42.160And Kenny hasn't been able to do that.0.87
00:14:43.820So it's the Wild Rosers who are speaking up right now.0.71
00:14:45.840When you see those 18 people who signed that letter questioning his pandemic response,0.90
00:14:50.380that was people from the original Wild Rose bunch.
00:14:53.960You know, when you see Todd Lohan, you see Drew Barnes, it's the Wild Rose bunch.
00:14:58.760But what's going to change with the PC bunch?
00:15:01.020So the Progressive Conservatives, the old stock ones that we worked so hard to get rid
00:15:04.820of, and it looks like a great deal of them slithered right back in there, the old Redford
00:34:41.680They won't be able to afford to drive to work.
00:34:43.620this is an unfair tax, especially on lower income people, it's not going to work. Turns around now
00:34:49.460he's premier and we've got the highest carbon tax in Canada. So my theory is actually that a lot of
00:34:55.600folks, you're right, want to feel they're doing something. They want to be kind of seen on the
00:35:00.920surface as if they're doing something. So in a way, the carbon taxes, again, 24 cents per liter
00:35:07.140while you're filling up your car is almost like a sin tax, or it's almost like they're trying to
00:35:12.840to greenwash their conscience to say, oh, well, I'm paying this tax, therefore it's going to help
00:35:17.480emissions. It's not. People need to accept this fact that emissions go up while our carbon taxes
00:35:24.440go up. If they truly wanted to do something to help the environment, for real, let's sell our
00:35:29.360natural gas to India. India has hundreds of millions of people who are burning wood and animal dung0.98
00:35:37.040for their daily needs to heat their homes and cook their food. That has a terrible level of
00:35:42.040emissions and indoor pollutants and it's usually women and children who are tasked1.00
00:35:46.180with gathering this fuel all day they're asking Canada for natural gas let's sell
00:35:52.240it to them and their emissions will drop dramatically therefore global
00:35:56.860emissions will drop dramatically and we have good jobs here while we're
00:36:00.100exporting a much cleaner fuel that's a good solution that's great you got well
00:36:05.020ahead of me there because I was getting on the solution part and yet it's
00:36:07.600interesting though diving in a bit on that self-flagellation factor you know
00:36:11.140people feel a little better if, well, I paid at the pump, so I've done my thing, you know, so,
00:36:14.960you know, now I'm justified in leaving a little dog poop in the park or something,
00:36:18.580because I paid my carbon tax and I'm okay with it. But it's funny with the deception, I guess,
00:36:26.120the way people look at things. And that's why we got to discuss and expand more on them. I remember
00:36:30.540having a large battle back when we had healthcare premiums in Alberta with a fellow. And he was
00:36:36.360saying, well, healthcare, you know, in the States costs such and such, or, you know, the usual
00:36:41.040discussions, but here for me, it only costs me like 600 a year. Dude, you're under this impression
00:36:47.880that those premiums are everything that it costs. That's just a fraction of what it costs. But in
00:36:54.640his head, look, I paid it so I can utilize it. I can go to the doctor every time I get a hangnail
00:36:58.840because I paid my, my $60 a month or whatnot. Um, you know, there's a, I guess the psyche of
00:37:06.680people, the reality, they feel they've paid a fee, uh, and, uh, it allows them to get away with
00:37:10.940things, but getting back to that. So you're in the middle of the battleground when it comes to
00:37:15.680liquid natural gas, we're seeing the projects. I mean, it seems to be people talk about it being
00:37:19.940the future they talk about. Yeah. I mean, particulate emissions in India, uh, China,
00:37:24.140whether we like them or not these days, they're burning a lot of terrible stuff,
00:37:26.920a lot of developing countries, there are huge markets that are building up, Brazil even perhaps,
00:37:32.660and they could really utilize this. They could get, wean themselves from coal, they can wean
00:37:36.600themselves from wood, a lot of things, but our environmentalists are saying, no, we've got to
00:37:41.260lock it in the ground, we've got to shut our pipelines down, and they're getting our companies
00:37:44.520to divest from liquid natural gas projects. How is the outlook on your LNG future in BC right now?
00:37:52.640that's a great point uh and it drives me crazy when i hear some of these environmentalists and
00:37:58.240i personally would describe myself as an environmentalist based on what i just said
00:38:01.360earlier like whenever i go walking with my kids to creeks or rivers i always bring an extra bag
00:38:05.600i'm always picking up litter you have to embrace your environment and take care of it it's part of
00:38:09.760stewardship i personally believe that it's part of stewardship clean up after yourself and don't
00:38:14.400make a bloody mess but what's really frustrating about some of these ngo kind of big e environmentalists
00:38:20.480is that they don't get it. They don't seem to understand that if you look around, look around
00:38:26.100your room right now and try to find something that is not either a direct derivative of oil,
00:38:32.660so nylon, plastic, anything like that, or that hasn't been manufactured using it or trucked to
00:38:38.500you using it, or even sent you on a barge if you ordered it from China that uses bunker fuel.
00:38:43.860You know, you'd be hard pressed to find anything around you that isn't from oil and gas. And
00:38:49.640there's this huge disconnect there. And they also don't seem to look at the actual data and try to
00:38:55.120understand how we can have the most minimal effect on the environment while maintaining our standard
00:39:00.360of living and using energies properly. It just seems to be this knee jerk, leave it in the ground
00:39:05.540and then what? To hell with everybody else? What are they supposed to do? Is India just going to
00:39:10.040keep burning the wood and the animal dung? Is China just going to keep burning coal year after0.87
00:39:14.920year and building plants you know day after day it seems we have to have practical solutions to this
00:39:19.640and then when you try to offer alternatives things like natural gas or even modular nuclear
00:39:24.840which is the future if you talk to some of these folks sounds pretty exciting not i'm not sure if
00:39:29.400they're there yet sounds pretty exciting and they just don't listen and so that's where we start
00:39:34.680wondering is this really your game plan do you really want to reduce emissions and help the
00:39:38.920environment because it sure doesn't sound like it and i'll give you an example uh vancouver city
00:39:43.560council so beautiful area nestled right there in downtown vancouver is gorgeous they are you know
00:39:49.640divesting themselves from oil and gas and they're even trying as best they can to bar people in
00:39:56.440their own homes from using natural gas furnaces like the natural gas is like is the boogeyman
00:40:03.080and it's really strange because uh premier john horgan back when he was an assistant staffer
00:40:09.160He worked in the energy sector. He worked on the energy file. And I personally think that's why he's
00:40:14.520not so hostile towards natural gas. He hasn't been a fan of Trans Mountain or any Kinder Morgan or
00:40:20.040things like that. But when it comes to the natural gas pipeline that's slowly working its way across
00:40:24.760Northern BC, he's been pretty permissive of it for a new Democrat in the modern sense.
00:40:30.360So that's very interesting. And that one's still going ahead. Tons of folks are working on it.
00:40:35.800you know people who work live locally i'm sure there's some folks from alberta who are working
00:40:39.560on the pipeline first nations women you name it providing tons of great jobs but this is the catch
00:40:45.240there seems to be again it's a syntax almost on a global level because they're allowing that
00:40:50.440pipeline to go through to sell natural gas to other people it's as if they're taking on the
00:40:55.800burden and the guilt and the syntax themselves by forcing british colombians to not be able to use
00:41:01.160our own natural gas and our own natural resources the big push now is electrifying absolutely
00:41:06.520everything and getting hooked on just bc hydro as your sole source of energy not quite sure how
00:41:12.360that's going to work out but as of right now it is still a major battlefield here even with
00:41:16.520something as clean burning as natural gas in bc yeah well and it's painful i mean you talk about
00:41:22.440the inelasticity and that's the reality i mean energy of all things if you're going to make it
00:41:27.320expensive it impacts every aspect of our living i mean we can't avoid it part of the the great
00:41:34.520lifestyle we enjoy on a world scale is because we have abundant cost-effective energy sources and i
00:41:40.280i think if anybody talks about being you know having a heart and caring about the third world
00:41:44.200and caring about developing nations we should be sharing this we should be getting it up there to
00:41:48.360get them up to our level and it shows that elitism and vanity where trudeau loves virtue signaling
00:41:53.800but he still would bite his own tongue before saying, maybe we could, again, get some of our
00:41:58.680products over there to help them come along and live a cleaner, more prosperous lifestyle like
00:42:02.840ourselves. But again, we reached that front. So we've got inflation starting to hit us. I mean,
00:42:10.440it's something the Taxpayers Federation talks about and economists. We've been borrowing like
00:42:15.160mad. We've been living on the credit cards on every level of government. It's going to catch
00:42:20.200up with us it's unavoidable we can't keep printing money like this uh cost of living is going to
00:42:25.320shoot up and energy is going to be part of it uh so where though because when everybody's screaming
00:42:30.680for the government to do more do more do more i mean i almost don't fault the government fully
00:42:34.120they are responding to people on the ground who keep saying take care of me uh where can we start
00:42:39.480cutting without a government getting thrown out of office for daring to try i think we need to change
00:42:44.680our own hearts and minds see not you and i specifically but we need to make it normal to
00:42:50.360stop asking the government for everything we need to make it part of the culture of smaller more
00:42:56.200accountable government and do for yourself so lower taxes less waste and more accountability
00:43:02.120it's literally why the ctf the canadian taxpayers federation was founded we were founded back in
00:43:06.6001990 and that was when the big the deficits really started taking center stage and we had all of
00:43:12.760those fights the no more taxes fights all those rallies all those forums and so this is why we're
00:43:18.200here and i think it's important to spread the message to average people so the next time we're
00:43:23.720allowed to gather and all that other stuff uh you tell both your as i lovingly try to say your crazy
00:43:29.640right-wing uncle and your flaky loving left-wing sister that we need to stop looking to government
00:43:35.560for absolutely everything ask yourself i'll put it this way i i have to save money all the time
00:43:40.520as everybody does anybody who helps run a family you're always trying to shop and save for money
00:43:45.080so when you're in a store and you have something in your hand you should ask yourself do i really
00:43:50.200need this next question is this the best possible price i can get for this and next question is can
00:43:56.680i wait can i do without it for a little while longer that's what budget conscious people do
00:44:01.560every single day so we need to do that when it comes to government do i really need this can we
00:44:07.400really afford this can we do this in a more economical way that will save money and we need
00:44:12.280to make it normal so the next time you have a friend or a family member or a co-worker if you
00:44:17.800can say it nicely who is saying the government this the government that we need this we need
00:44:21.480that free this put a penny in the shoe and say you know what every time you get them to pay for
00:44:27.080something for you that's going on not only your credit card that's going on your grandkids credit
00:44:31.720card now because we're that far gone we're more than a trillion dollars in debt so it's not you
00:44:37.880or i unless you know you're a highlander i like to be pretend of a vampire i'm immortal i'm not
00:44:42.760going to be there i'm not going to be there when we're paying this thing off but my kids will be
00:44:47.400and my grandkids will be is it fair to nuke them with these bills plus interest no most decent
00:44:54.440people would say it's not and so that's what i would do i would encourage everybody that you know
00:44:59.800to come to this line of thinking and then we can tell our mlas and our mps to stop to stop
00:45:07.080spending all this money and to stop strangling our natural resources because right now at this
00:45:12.600stage the way we're treating our natural resources and the way we're spending we're eating our seed
00:45:17.800corn which means we won't have anything to plant next year yeah no we're really just pissing it
00:45:25.960it away at a regular you know record level and it's terrifying uh it does come back to that that
00:45:32.080fear of personal responsibility i i think you know and and uh we have to change the mindset boy
00:45:38.440changing a mindset is a very difficult thing to try and do it hard times can be the times when
00:45:44.300those mindsets change though and they're approaching i i hope we could get some of this
00:45:49.160under control and yeah there's that instinct you know like if your local little league team runs
00:45:54.640out of money and they can't function next year unfortunately what you hear is everybody screaming
00:45:57.520well the city should fund it so that they can keep going well well hang on why this is your local
00:46:02.640thing talk to your neighbors or get the kids selling magazine subscriptions door-to-door okay
00:46:07.440i'm sure you're knocking yep absolutely the old ways you know get the pizza place down the road
00:46:12.080to sponsor them but a person's first instinct is the government's got to pay for this and the
00:46:17.680government of course well you got to respond to elected official well i want to shut up you know0.99
00:46:22.480karen down the road i gotta beat on a karen you know because she's really screaming for that team
00:46:26.320so you know what i'm gonna make sure that we fund that and then once you do it's really hard to
00:46:29.520extricate yourself from that uh but boy we've got a lot of work to do i mean it comes back to the
00:46:36.000environmental thing like you said as well like i've got a beautiful house it's small but it backs
00:46:40.160into the bush just outside of calgary and i walk the dogs back in the trees there all the time i
00:46:44.560love it and i tell you it's spotless back there you know people hike through that area it's a game
00:46:49.280preserve and everything but anytime i see a piece of garbage or anything i pick it up i'm not having
00:46:53.760that back behind my place now once in a while when i go hiking in the provincial park east of
00:46:58.160bread creek i mean the government just imposed user fees actually to get into candanaskis and
00:47:02.240everything in alberta people are throwing their crap all over the place there's trash and things
00:47:06.240everywhere but that's because while i'm on government land we're paying somebody else to0.99
00:47:09.280pick it up that's the attitude of some not you know most people i think are such pigs but0.91
00:47:13.600unfortunately far too many are you know and again it comes back to it's not my0.96
00:47:18.480responsibility to clean it up it's the government's and it comes back to as well
00:47:22.040as if I paid to have the government do it there's where I'm kind of fearful I'm
00:47:25.180all about user fees I like the idea actually of charging access these parts
00:47:28.140but some pigs I think are gonna feel that's more licensed to check their
00:47:31.180stuff as well I paid for that somebody will come take care of it I paid the
00:47:34.400emission so you know the usher is gonna come and sweep up the popcorn that I
00:47:37.660dumped all over everywhere I know it's um it's a bit of a tough situation there
00:47:42.080I'll give you an example. And so this, to me, the best way to help people come to your line
00:47:47.060of thinking on this sort of stuff isn't just to use numbers, it's to use personal examples.
00:47:51.540And so if you know anybody in Ontario, for example, who lived during the former Liberal
00:47:57.040government there, especially under Kathleen Wynne, the Premier, the former Premier there,
00:48:01.280ask them about their hydro bills. Chances are their hydro bills went through the roof to the
00:48:06.940point where they probably struggled paying it. I'll give you an example. We were renting a
00:48:11.500small bungalow in Ottawa. I was doing like laundry at midnight. I only used LEDs. We use natural gas
00:48:18.580for heat, but our bill was still more than $400 a month. That's how crazy those bills got. And we
00:48:26.380were some of the ones on the lower end of the spectrum. There were some folks living in more
00:48:30.200rural areas of Ontario that were seeing hydro bills for like $1,200 a month. And it actually
00:48:36.580started causing what's called energy poverty. And we don't need to go to, you know, fire-breathing
00:48:42.040right-wingers to get this sort of thing. Go to the Ontario Food Bank website and look up
00:48:47.540energy poverty. And they did a record amount of business, unfortunately, during those years
00:48:54.260because folks, working people, couldn't afford their energy bills. And this is to light their
00:49:00.300homes and to make sure things run. These weren't luxury items. And so if you want to have energy
00:49:07.180poverty at the level that they had during Premier Kathleen Wynne's time in Ontario, one of the main
00:49:12.620reasons Doug Ford became Premier, he said he'd fix the hydro mess. They kind of sort of have a little
00:49:17.740bit if you squint and look at it sideways. That's one of the reasons why it's Premier. So you ask
00:49:22.700folks who lived during those times of those crazy record high hydro prices, do you want to see this
00:49:27.800across Canada. No? Well, you better get on the horn and you better start telling your local MP
00:49:33.240to not do this nonsense because the very same architects, like physically the same human beings0.99
00:49:38.620who were in charge of that stupid green plan that caused all those problems in Ontario are now in0.99
00:49:45.040the PMO. They're now in Ottawa and they're branching this idea out across Canada. And0.99
00:49:50.520unfortunately here in BC, we're in the same boat. Knock wood right now, BC hydro rates are mostly
00:49:57.280affordable for average people but who knows if that's going to change tomorrow because of these
00:50:01.520ridiculous policies yeah well and again it gets down to the people on the ground they seem to
00:50:06.200forget the concept of supply and demand at times as well you know i mean some of the people say0.87
00:50:10.300well look if you charge your car your home rather than buying gas it would cost you this much it
00:50:14.440would save you this much they try to approach it on that front well okay if we got into that dream
00:50:18.600world that a lot of people are promoting that somehow you know within nine years the majority
00:50:23.000of us are all going to be in electric vehicles and we're all electrified we've all upgraded our
00:50:27.160houses we've somehow upgraded all of the electrical grids and we've somehow found the generating
00:50:31.640capacity the price of energy is going to go through the roof because you have suddenly got a
00:50:36.360massive new demand on that power grid and there's only one way to respond it you raise the price
00:50:41.320and you know the city dwelling urban hipster who never even gets on a bus doesn't realize
00:50:46.120you still need the electricity to charge your iphone so you can virtue signal with your selfies
00:50:51.240in stanley park so your costs are going to go up even if you don't travel and they've got to start
00:50:57.400to understand this you know once people get hit in the wallet it's amazing how responsive they get
00:51:02.680yes exactly and so that's why use an example like ontario a lot of folks might have family
00:51:07.880in ontario i know i do uh ask them ask them what it was like and then get them to do a little
00:51:12.680thought exercise and say could you afford that the answer is usually no and again when it comes down
00:51:18.200to supply and demand yeah this this energy always comes from somewhere it's the same thing as money
00:51:23.640the money always comes from somewhere and if they just print it in the basement they're going to
00:51:28.520wind up with inflation which is what we're staring down the barrel of right now federally we we just
00:51:33.160can't keep pretending and doing stuff like this when it comes down to taxes and it comes down to
00:51:37.720things like oil and gas i know you've looked at these numbers before the fact that we don't have
00:51:43.160our proper and right pipeline capacity in Canada has cost us around 13 billion dollars over 10
00:51:51.080years just in the federal taxes we're not talking royalties we're not talking municipal taxes
00:51:56.760property taxes nothing 13 billion dollars you could build i think six new hospitals here in bc
00:52:03.880for just that amount that we've missed out on from federal taxes so even if folks like to pretend
00:52:10.120that, I don't know, their handmade bicycle doesn't use any sort of oil and gas. They depend on things
00:52:16.360like oil and gas, even for things like their health care and their education, because that's
00:52:20.660one of the major fuels for our economic engine here in Canada. Yeah, well, there's that cognitive
00:52:26.780dissonance that, you know, the same people quite often who are screaming for the underprivileged,
00:52:32.040who want more social programs, more spending, more government involvement, are the same people
00:52:35.880who are trying to shut down every means of generating the funds to pay for these things.
00:52:39.740I mean, you've got to think about it, guys. It's got to come from somewhere. If you want those hospitals, you want those homeless shelters, you want that subsidized housing, you want the daycare programs, fine. But somewhere, somebody has to pay the bill. And you can't shut down every industry and expect these things to get paid. But that's where they're sitting, though. And, you know, I try to get reasonable with it. I'm going to pivot a bit, though, since we've still got a bit of time here.
00:53:03.880something we've had happening in Alberta. We had a flat tax for a little while, which was
00:53:07.880magnificent. Unfortunately, again, you know, the temptation to gouge further comes along,
00:53:12.680and I believe it was Redford or got rid of it. Perhaps it was even Stelmac. I can't remember
00:53:16.120now, but it went back to a progressive tax. And now Kenny is utilizing the tool that he used to
00:53:22.220decry as the federal, you know, in the federal government, which is called bracket creep. We
00:53:27.980didn't hear about much about it anymore, but it's the invisible tax hike. We're getting nailed every
00:53:32.260year, and particularly when inflation starts kicking in, they are raising taxes on us while
00:53:38.820telling us they aren't. And that's a real annoying thing. But maybe if you could explain,
00:53:42.520is bracket creep happening in BC? And if not, just, you know, I'm sure it's happening in other
00:53:46.400provinces, how that works. It's not happening to the same extent that it's happening in Alberta.
00:53:51.660And primarily it's because of the differences in inflation costs of living. I'll be blunt. The
00:53:56.900cost of living out in BC is outrageous. It's extremely expensive, not just for our oil and
00:54:02.580gas, but housing. People call it a housing crisis. It is. That doesn't mean that there needs to be a
00:54:08.360gigantic big government solution for the housing crisis. Perhaps they just need to get out of the
00:54:12.680way and stop, for example, charging PST on building supplies, which adds around $18,000 to the cost
00:54:18.780per house. So they could do something like that. But yeah, in Alberta, what's really disappointing
00:54:23.560is that you rightly point out that Jason Kenney used to rail against bracket creep and named it
00:54:29.640because, of course, he used to, way back in the day, be with the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.
00:54:34.900And we take on things like bracket creep, which is an automatic tax hike. And if you don't keep
00:54:40.920those brackets permanently where they are, as inflation goes up, as costs go up, your taxes go
00:54:47.100up. It just becomes automatic. And it's because it floats on top during bracket creep that you
00:54:51.740that you pay more. They need to cement those levels there and leave them there. This is the
00:54:56.480problem. So that isn't so much the problem here in BC. The problem here in BC is outrageous housing
00:55:01.580costs, outrageous carbon taxes, both hidden and non. And we have a PST on pretty much bloody
00:55:08.060everything. We even have a PST on used cars. Used clothing has PST here. It's just disgusting.
00:55:15.460So for example, say you go to Alberta and you buy a truck, like a used truck for, say
00:55:22.160you really got a good deal and you got spent like four grand on it.
00:55:25.000You bring it back over here, you're going to be paying PST on that.
00:58:20.120if we could just cut our spending per capita to BC levels,
00:58:23.200because yeah, people forget that's the left coast,
00:58:25.680you know what? They are showing more spending restraint than us. They spend far less per capita
00:58:31.060than we do. If we could bring it down to there, because is the world over in BC? Are they dying
00:58:36.260in the streets for lack of government spending? No. Well, then why can't we do so? But that talk
00:58:40.680has been lost now that he's in the premier's chair and the spending just keeps climbing and climbing.
00:58:44.820And I'm glad you pointed it out because it's a myth. I'm sorry, guys. We have not behaved
00:58:48.780responsibly in Alberta. We call ourselves conservatives, but we spend our way out of
00:58:52.900our problems and with the uh energy revenue going down with it as a whole separate discussion as to
00:58:58.180why it's so far down you know through infrastructure and things like that we've exposed just how bad0.50
00:59:03.300our government is and that's why the head nichi is running for the hills in calgary because0.70
00:59:08.740downtown calgary is getting closer to a 40 vacancy rate that's how it's a ghost town down there it is
00:59:15.300unbelievable and yeah wow and and they thrived on the those i mean the last number i think was 32
00:59:23.140but realistically there's a lot of companies still stuck in leases as soon as the lease is up they're
00:59:26.820out of there and so those office buildings are standing nearly empty and they used to just milk
00:59:32.500them because there were all those oil company head offices and those oil companies just rather
00:59:35.860than fight with government just take the tax increases take the tax increases so then the
00:59:40.020the city just spent like crazy. Well, now those companies are gone. And that's where we had
00:59:44.160400% business tax increases happening a couple of years ago. That's why people were protesting
00:59:48.500in front of city. All business owners were protesting. And provincially, we're seeing
00:59:53.140the same thing. The government got spoiled. They got lazy. They felt that this revenue will be
00:59:58.780there forever. And they bloated the spending. And now they've hit the wall. But the thing is,
01:00:03.980there doesn't seem to be the will to recover from that. They just seem to be looking for
01:00:08.900new sources of money and that that's not going to help no because you can't get blood out of a stone
01:00:14.100and folks the average working albertan has been pretty hurting for the last little while uh you
01:00:19.380know i've got some family experience in the natural resources sector and when the nep hit back in the
01:00:24.420early 80s it was brutal um there people aren't doing so well in the private sector but i keep
01:00:29.460reading uh headlines that in the government sector they're not taking cuts they didn't have you know
01:00:34.10015 or 20 percent salary reductions they didn't allow for massive attrition or early retirement
01:00:39.460in order to trim their books they're not doing that and they have to it's just fundamentally
01:00:44.100unfair if they don't because otherwise this whole we're all in this together is just an empty
01:00:49.300platitude well yeah and i mean you know aside from whether policies are effective or not with
01:00:55.140restrictions lockdown stuff like that but a lot of the policy discussion has come from people who
01:01:00.180have guaranteed salaries and that's really slanted when you're examining restrictions when you're
01:01:06.180sitting on a committee or where you're a medical professional or one of these others and you're
01:01:10.420saying we really need to shut all this stuff down you're not coming from a perspective understanding
01:01:16.180that yeah your bills are all going to be paid it's not going to impact you a bit except in
01:01:20.980the social sense perhaps but you really are forgetting the person who can't pay their mortgage
01:01:24.820the person whose business is going to go bankrupt the person who doesn't know how on earth they're
01:01:29.300going to pay their rent or make their car payment that's what's happening but the decisions are
01:01:33.380being made by such a huge and supported by such a huge civil service i mean we've got a lot of
01:01:38.580unions standing up screaming keep the lockdowns well that's because all your members are having
01:01:41.700vacations right now they're sitting at home and they're getting full pay i you know i can see why
01:01:46.580they support it but this is not sustainable and that's fundamentally unfair because that is not
01:01:51.940true representative government that is not the commons the commons and representative government
01:01:57.460are supposed to represent common people meaning they're affected by their decisions pretty much
01:02:02.900in the same way that other people aren't who aren't in positions of power and it's their
01:02:07.060responsibility to make sure that they are aware of it it's one of the reasons why former british
01:02:11.620prime minister margaret thatcher always insisted upon everybody including her cabinet ministers to
01:02:16.820know how much milk cost because that was a practical price point for people to be able
01:02:22.340to understand she was raised above the shop so she knew what that was like it's one of the
01:02:26.580reasons why again ronald reagan said very similar things he wasn't raised in the lap of luxury he
01:02:31.460was affected by the decisions that he made and it's a fundamental responsibility of government
01:02:36.180to make sure that folks feel it the same way no matter if they have a private sector job or a
01:02:40.900government job yeah well and our government uh workers again and hey a lot of them do a lot of
01:02:47.620hard work and do some important jobs but but they're guaranteed they don't understand what
01:02:53.460income instability feels like. They have not suddenly had their income cut by 30%, 50% in a
01:03:00.580year. And, you know, it's hard to put yourself in somebody else's shoes. It's always a challenge
01:03:05.820as humans, but we really need to try a little more of that, you know, not just on the leadership
01:03:10.060level, but even on the people on the ground who are calling for the government to do more of these
01:03:13.420lockdowns. Please try to think of your neighbor who perhaps doesn't have that secured income that
01:03:17.680you do before you necessarily push for these things. And I mean, there's the health factor
01:03:23.080take into account too that's fine but if we're looking it's a cost benefit thing uh people
01:03:28.440aren't looking at the cost nearly closely enough so maybe i'll let you get going fairly soon here
01:03:36.840though so in closing we have a feeling we could talk all day we could today we could
01:03:43.640we'll tire folks out actually i'm supposed to have a lee harding coming on fairly soon but he's not
01:03:48.600here quite yet but uh as i said i was going to take you to the top of the hour but by all means
01:03:54.120you've got the microphone what would you like to put out there as what we should be doing where we
01:03:58.600should be going i really want to stress to folks that again every time you talk to your friends
01:04:03.560and family in british columbia every time you see a terrifyingly high gas price in a place like
01:04:09.240vancouver understand this is coming to your local gas station understand that this will affect you
01:04:16.360unless we plead and beg politicians to change their minds and to see the light and realize
01:04:22.280that things like carbon taxes, both of them, are not working. And this is the government's data.
01:04:28.160It's its own data. This report that the Prime Minister posted on the UN website is more than
01:04:33.860500 pages long. They've got charts for every single province. You can do crazy deep dives
01:04:40.040into all of their emissions, things like how much of it is road transportation, how much of it is
01:04:44.600marine traffic, how much of it is aviation fuel being burned. They even measure stuff like how
01:04:50.060the different ways you spread manure in different parts of the country emit different levels of
01:04:55.380methane. They do emission tests on the mouths of coal mines. And what's really odd, and I don't
01:05:02.660know why this is, there could be a very good scientific explanation. Even their historical
01:05:06.860data, if you go back and look at previous reports, their historical data on their emissions changes,
01:05:11.760It goes up, it goes down, it depends. But that's kind of strange. But you can do a really cool deep dive on it. I encourage anybody to go to the go to the UN website and look up Canada emissions reports and you can read them yourselves. The point is, is that it's not working. The carbon taxes were supposed to reduce emissions. They weren't sold as massive money making machines for government. They weren't sold as revenue generators. None of that was on the table.
01:05:38.820they said they would reduce emissions, period. And I want to be clear, they didn't say, oh,
01:05:44.480per capita or per GDP, blah, blah, blah. That's goalpost moving. If you're talking about emissions,
01:05:51.580you're talking about a cumulative amount of stuff, pardon the loose term. You're talking
01:05:57.300about a cumulative amount of stuff. Our cumulative amount of stuff is going up, not down. They said
01:06:03.380it was going to go down. And the only thing that's happening is that people's wallets are being
01:06:08.200drained. And more and more people are having trouble affording both groceries and getting
01:06:13.200to work. And keep in mind also that this just continuously costs people in their day-to-day
01:06:18.640lives. So even if you are, describe yourself as a hardcore environmentalist, fine, power to you.
01:06:24.260It's not working. Even the Sierra Club of BC says this isn't working. They even called the BC
01:06:31.120carbon tax a couple of years ago, a token effort. We've got the highest carbon taxes in Canada.
01:06:37.580is 24 cents per liter of gasoline again 18 bucks if you're filling up your minivan it's 18 extra
01:06:44.360every single time or it's 30 extra every single time you're filling up your pickup truck can you
01:06:49.480afford that if you can't pick up the phone and call your mp and you tell them to get on this it
01:06:54.600doesn't matter if they're liberal or conservative or ndp you tell them this is not the way to go
01:06:58.600and you can go to our website at taxpayer.com we've got petitions there against both carbon taxes
01:07:03.820yeah well it's a clear and gross policy failure but it again you know it gets back to the the
01:07:10.820feeling like you're going to do something uh it was interesting i had some guests on who did the
01:07:14.920documentary bright green lies uh you know some folks at least are coming and these guys i know
01:07:19.220some of my listeners were their heads were popping because a couple of the guests i had a whole panel
01:07:22.940were very very uh stereotypical very left-wing people but and so they started going into some
01:07:29.380of the social justice things which really caused some veins to pulse but the reality was they were
01:07:33.040also looking at alternative energy sources and things such as that much like that michael moore
01:07:38.080went a while back and they're saying look guys this isn't working this stuff isn't actually
01:07:42.240better than what we're trying to get rid of it's not an improvement and i i enjoyed seeing that
01:07:48.160even if we were very uh politically you know different from each other at least they were
01:07:52.400looking at it saying this is what i want to achieve it didn't achieve it so we have to do
01:07:57.120something different and uh that is what people have to start saying left right and center on
01:08:03.600these carbon taxes if it's not going to achieve a reduction in emissions there's just no point
01:08:09.120exactly what are we doing then and this is why the data is very important and so like math is
01:08:14.480math numbers are numbers go take a look at them and i would encourage anybody to do so if your
01:08:18.960emissions keep going up that means it's not working because you told us it was going to
01:08:23.120reduce emissions and this was all about global emissions in the environment so that's not working
01:08:27.600so we have to do something else so this is why we need to scrap both of these carbon taxes it because
01:08:33.360it's not helping the environment anyway and it's just costing us more and more money and just think
01:08:37.840if folks had that money in their pockets they'd be able to perhaps afford a car that was more
01:08:43.680energy efficient maybe they'd be able to afford insulation to better help their homes but frankly
01:08:48.960Most people I know, I don't know about you, they try their very best anyway, even with the money
01:08:53.680they do have. I don't know anybody who just grabs a barrel of oil and burns it in their backyard
01:08:58.960for fun. Like people don't do that. People are usually quite energy conscious and they're quite
01:09:04.480environmentally conscious. You know, Canadians generally are very much so on both fronts,
01:09:09.120but it's not working and it's costing us a ton of dough. So stop doing this. You know,0.59
01:09:14.400the definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result.
01:09:18.480well we need to stop being insane yeah well you're right most people want to do what they feel is the
01:09:23.760right thing but they're getting bad leadership sometimes and uh i'll finish with an analogy of
01:09:28.400one of my favorites of something that's happened in calgary and i think it's still happening you
01:09:31.200know we brought in every city's doing it the blue bins the green bins the brown bins the rainbow
01:09:34.640bins i don't know there's so many bins now i can barely keep track anymore what i'm supposed to
01:09:37.680separate but they began with the uh recycling and and uh they've said no put everything into
01:09:44.000the one bin we'll keep it simple and we're going to have people paid we're going to go and sort
01:09:47.440all this and they're going to recycle it and again they're going to save all the fluffy bunnies and
01:09:50.720we put all our jam jars and everything into that the glass was the main one it all went in there
01:09:55.760and it was like years into it and it came out that okay they've been washing it and separating
01:10:02.400it and sorting it and crushing it into this powder but nobody wants it and they've got this
01:10:07.360mountain of glass they had a mountain at the calgary city dump of this powdered glass like it
01:10:11.680was thousands of tons of this stuff because they didn't know what else to do with it they've
01:10:16.640separated it they've cleaned it but there's actually no market for it and i wrote a piece
01:10:21.600on it because it just floored me and this was bureaucracy at its best they came up with this
01:10:25.920paper and said we figured it out we could take it since it's already at the landfill and this is
01:10:30.240being smart and we can use it for filling the roads before we build them to get around the landfill
01:10:36.400so in other words you're going to bury it at the landfill why didn't we just throw it in the garbage
01:10:41.680in the first place laughing but you gotta laugh or cry sometimes yeah i know but that's the truth
01:10:47.120of it and you know what it it's not you know i don't want to get on the case of the people who
01:10:52.160took the labels off their jars and rinsed them out and separated them and put them in those bins they
01:10:56.640really thought they were doing a better thing realistically there was more energy burned because
01:11:00.480they had to be washed they had to be crushed and all of that and in the end they still ended up
01:11:06.400just having to be buried anyways we would have actually done more for the planet i just sticking
01:11:10.720it straight underground to begin with but again the feeling for feeling green is sometimes more
01:11:16.880important than being green hopefully we can change a bit of that because people mean well and if they
01:11:21.280can get the right means in front of them they will do the right thing for the most part so the carbon
01:11:26.720tax isn't the right means so let's get rid of that and move on to more productive means so
01:11:30.320thank you guys at the taxpayers federation so much for keeping to point these things out and
01:11:34.640we'll keep pushing those reality checks and i think eventually we'll get better government it's
01:11:38.320It's just a matter of how broke we've got to get first.
01:11:40.260Thank you so much. We'll keep trying to use facts to change people's feelings.
01:11:44.560Thanks, Chris. And you're at taxpayer.com is it? You betcha.
01:11:47.620All right. I'm sure we'll be chatting again sometime soon. Take care.
01:11:54.680Okay. As I said before, I always love getting the taxpayer folks on.
01:11:59.740I got Chris to give that BC perspective. Franco has been on quite regularly.
01:12:04.160Teresano. He's actually taking it on himself. He's going to be heading to Ottawa. He's the
01:12:09.820federal director now. I'm sure we'll still be talking to him. He'll have bigger issues to take
01:12:13.760on. And boy, there's a sacrifice, having to leave the West to get over there to expose things in
01:12:20.200Ottawa. Ottawa is actually a beautiful city, but look at all those bureaucrats and weenies he's
01:12:23.720going to have to deal with. He's going to be earning every dollar he does, that's for sure.
01:12:27.920I just thought I'd go through a couple of comments. Yeah, I'm sorry I didn't catch this
01:12:31.940when Peter before Chris was gone, but if your average family of four is only 250,000 debt by
01:12:37.5202024 plus 75,000 for provincial debt, I can't confirm that. Sorry, I should have grabbed Chris
01:12:43.520before I got here, but it sounds about right, and it's only growing. The debt load is just insane.
01:12:50.740The private debt load is another frightening area, actually, with businesses, things such as that,
01:12:55.560that are taking on. Lee just put a message. He's in the waiting room there. Go to the
01:13:02.360debtclock.ca to find out. Yeah. And you can kind of break it down and break down your
01:13:05.920provincial things. That's another one of the great things that the Taxpayers Federation
01:13:09.880has done for us is showing those debt load that we're taking on. Because I think people
01:13:15.080don't imagine, they just don't understand how massive that debt that we're sitting on
01:13:20.800So Lee now, I mentioned at the top of the show, those who weren't there at that point, I'm gonna find this. He has been, where are we? Aha, there we go. Fine, $2,800 reporting on Regina's freedom rally. Yes, apparently it is illegal for the press to report on anti-lockdown protest rallies, discussions, things such as that.
01:13:47.740got swept up in the works. So I'm bringing on the now criminal Lee Harding. Thanks very much for
01:13:53.940joining me, Lee. It's an interesting story there. Thank you for the best intro ever. The now criminal
01:14:01.460Lee Harding. Best ever. I should do it, Kevin. You haven't been convicted yet. Well, no, not yet.
01:14:08.480Well, mind you, we're in an environment now where you're pretty much guilty until proven innocent
01:14:12.940instead of the other way around. That's why I think a lot of these people were out here,
01:14:17.060was ever seeing an end to our basic freedoms on the horizon. And that's worth covering. Absolutely.
01:14:25.500Yeah, well, I mean, people need to push back. I mean, that's why every modern charter of rights,
01:14:32.140constitution, those sorts of things that every developed country has, there's a number of things
01:14:35.620that are essential freedoms that are always packed into those. Expression, association,
01:14:41.500speech, you know, these things are all critical and they're all being pushed in and, you know,
01:14:47.180pushed back on and crushed a bit with these pandemic restrictions. They're using section
01:14:51.280one of the charter as a justification to kind of set these rights aside right now. I think we're
01:14:55.360going to be discussing for a lot of years and whether they were justified in doing so. But
01:14:58.820another one is free press. So how did you get swept up in the bunch when you were just there
01:15:05.060to cover it rather than, you know, I imagine you weren't standing on the stage, you know,
01:15:08.840waving a sign and giving speeches or anything. No, no. Who knows? They might have me on stage
01:15:14.280if there's a next time just to tell the story of how far things are getting. But no, I wasn't there
01:15:18.420to do that at all. And I haven't been a groupie for these things. I mean, they've had rallies
01:15:23.000almost weekly for months and months. I went to one casually last summer. My friend said,
01:15:28.540hey, you want to go see it? Sure. Let's see what's happening. Well, there was more people
01:15:32.140that particular day in the summer who were celebrating Mohammed's grandson and acknowledging
01:15:38.160him in in his principles and whatnot at the legislature steps that day i went when chris
01:15:43.680sky was there i wrote an article on that and i had this was a very good opportunity to talk to
01:15:49.500some people this particular rally because maxine bernier was there laurel and tyler thompson was
01:15:54.320there uh art palowski was supposed to be there and he got arrested on the highway there before
01:16:00.000that he could get over. And Mark Friesen, who is a PPC candidate, who has a YouTube channel in his
01:16:08.180own right. And there were some others. And what better opportunity? So that's why I was there.
01:16:14.720And what happened was I was following the entourage of speakers out to their vehicle
01:16:22.840where they were going to go to the next event. So I was still asking questions, talking to them in
01:16:28.240the parking lot okay it's time to go and then the police showed up and gave them tickets and
01:16:34.860laura lynn gave the police officer writing her up a little lesson on some other ways to treat
01:16:40.640corona and why this was overblown i don't know if he was listening or not he at the end of it said
01:16:45.940i was surprised you got that out it was almost in one breath then uh the uh you know bernier said uh
01:16:51.980i'm happy to get this ticket i'm fighting for canada and i'm going to put this in my office
01:16:56.780wall so he did that and then i said i'm a member of the press are you going to ticket me as well
01:17:04.380i said well you might not want to go back to the park there uh you know on your way home
01:17:10.620well i was walking by the park and then i heard a rapper uh from the stage and i used to freestyle
01:17:16.620and battle and all that kind of stuff and this is someone i wanted to talk to so when the performance
01:17:22.380was done. I went back. I made sure I didn't miss him. Talked to him for an interview. We got him
01:17:28.960on the walkway out for a picture. We were walking out of the park and that's when the police
01:17:34.120arrested him. Well, not arrested, but ticketed him and myself. And he was quite happy to get a
01:17:41.320ticket. He was a martyr for the cause. And of course, it never hurt a rapper to be in an
01:17:46.360altercation with the police. I mean, that sounds like street cred to me. So he was of a different
01:17:52.620attitude of that. I, you know, was not looking to get a ticket. I was not looking to be a martyr
01:17:58.380for the cause. And I think $2,800 hurts just about everybody but Bill Gates. But it, you know,
01:18:06.380it's not like I'm flush with cash either. And so, you know, I didn't really need that. But
01:18:59.780What's remarkable was in advance of this very important rally,
01:19:03.980they increased the fines from $2,800 to $10,000, the maximum fines.
01:19:09.220And then I did a story for Western Standard on Saskatchewan's Queen of Fines, which is Tamara Lavoie.
01:19:16.400And she says, I don't care what these fines are, whether they're $2,800, $10,000, they're illegal, and they're not going to stop me.
01:19:24.720So then I think they decided, well, let's not make any martyrs of people by actually using this $10,000 fine.
01:19:29.920And while this rally was going on, on a Saturday afternoon, that's when the premier decided that they were going to announce that the public gathering limits were going to be 150 instead of just 10.
01:19:44.440So at the same time, they're saying, well, in three weeks, 150 will be fine.
01:19:59.300And to see the JCCF in this last week bring forward some very damning evidence about the PCR test is very significant, too, because they've been cycling them at 40 and there's still a substantial amount of errors, even at a lower amount.
01:20:18.980and the PCR test founder, when he was still alive, he said, they're misusing my test. And
01:20:25.380he also had some very damning words about Anthony Fauci. And he says, these people have their own
01:20:29.840agenda. They make up their own rules as they go. And he says, it's not the agenda that we would
01:20:34.500want, given that our tax dollars in some way go to them to pay for our health. So there's lots
01:20:40.220rotten in the state of Denmark, as they might say. Yeah, well, it's Saskatchewan's numbers.
01:20:46.320that you're not in as dire a condition as Alberta's been lately, and Alberta has actually
01:20:51.340plateaued and seems to be stabilizing. Thankfully, you know, the deaths are way, way down, and we're
01:20:56.340seeing that everywhere. You know, that's a separate debate as to why and things such as that, but
01:21:00.980I mean, the crackdowns seem excessively harsh out there when you guys really haven't had as much of
01:21:07.000a problem with the infections on the go anyways. Yeah, it's all about crushing a movement, really,
01:23:34.820I think there was a time later, about a week later, or two weeks after his resignation, where they did try to give him some air.
01:23:42.000But I think there's this consciousness in the back of the mainstream media mind that, you know, if it ever ends up being that this article is enough to actually sway someone from not being a skeptic to being someone who's sympathetic to one of these protesters, well, maybe that's going too far.
01:24:00.560So, you know, there's always a limit as to how they will frame something, how they will look at it.
01:24:06.620And so I think people, we really need a discerning public.
01:24:10.540And unfortunately, it's almost like the They Live movie where in 1988 or around there where Rowdy Roddy Piper, he has these glasses.
01:24:19.160And with these glasses, he can see through the signal that is blinding people.
01:24:24.980And so he's seeing reality through a whole new lens.
01:24:27.280and so he's begging these people put on the glasses put on the glasses and his friend won't
01:24:32.420do it and he thinks uh you know his his friend's a murderer and so they have this fight and
01:24:38.340basically he forces these glasses on him where a person can finally see and i find with so many
01:24:44.260issues around this it's like that whether it's uh risks of the vaccines whether it's uh just
01:24:49.540you know social distancing and whatnot and i see these people that are otherwise intelligent
01:24:53.820posting, why don't people just listen to the science? It's so clear. Our authorities are
01:24:57.880clear. Well, our authorities might be all singing from the same hymn book, but that doesn't mean
01:25:02.320that it's the right tune. No, and we've turned people against each other, and that's one of the
01:25:07.800most distressing things at all, the mobbing, the shaming. You know, an event, yeah, you know,
01:25:13.940I'm more afraid of clowns than I would be of the COVID at such a thing, particularly when if we
01:25:19.320want to follow the science, if there's anybody who's at very, very, very little risk of
01:25:23.560transmission or attaining or getting harm from COVID, it's children. We should be thankful for
01:25:29.380that. As far as bugs go, I mean, if there's anything we want to save, it's our children.
01:25:33.360So we've been fortunate in that sense and we need to cover these events. I mean, super spreader,
01:25:38.180there's a term they love throwing out there all the time. When we were at the rodeo
01:25:41.220almost two weeks ago tomorrow, well, two weeks ago tomorrow, everybody's been saying, wait two
01:25:46.380weeks, wait two weeks. Well, Dave Naylor has been in touch with Alberta Health Services and the
01:25:51.340amount of cases from our super spreader event remains at zero. It's a goose egg, not a single
01:25:57.100one. We're contact tracing. People are out there. They're looking, look, if that rodeo is going to
01:26:01.140spread it, we would have known it by now. It didn't happen. It didn't happen when Houston
01:26:06.240had a baseball game. It didn't happen when the Super Bowl happened. It didn't happen when people
01:26:09.780got together at Sylvan Lake in Alberta. But what we do see happening, we had that, you might have
01:26:15.140seen it in the standard, a student from Olds College, it was found that she was at the rodeo
01:26:19.780and they were actually threatening her ability to finish her classes. Thankfully, that turned
01:26:23.380around when the Western Standard reported on it. We saw a couple of nurses that, again, social media
01:26:28.420police, self-appointed police folks outed them and reported them to Alberta Health Service saying,
01:26:34.180these are people who attended the rodeo, they've been put at risk, they should be fired, they should0.96
01:26:36.820be courted, they should be shot, they should be skinned, whatever else. It depends on which0.99
01:26:40.260hysteric lunatic you're listening to online was pushing these things, but we've really turned0.60
01:26:46.100ourselves into this mob, but we're at each other's throats. I mean, and the state is feeding that and0.89
01:26:52.260it's really distressing. And that's why we need press to report on these events to show they
01:26:55.880aren't dangerous. They aren't killing people. They aren't necessarily that insane. I mean,
01:26:58.720there's a handful of lunatics there always will be, but for the most part, they're just concerned
01:27:02.360people. And when you're charging press for reporting on that, that's a really scary precedent.
01:27:07.600Oh, I agree with that. You know, I think this is new territory. And when you look at what they did
01:27:12.800to rebel news i mean where they've they're renting a houseboat from airbnb for the reporters out
01:27:18.220there in mid-april and our 50 police that are surrounding this houseboat and not letting anyone
01:27:24.120in or out and then arresting david menzies and saying well we'll we'll release him if you let
01:27:28.600us go through your stuff uh that's that's just a whole new level and we knew that montreal was a
01:27:34.580city of corruption but this is this is the next level and i don't know it's a sign of the times
01:27:40.580really so you know linchuck gets it he's like look if we keep going the direction we're going
01:27:45.780where are we going to end up and if anyone thinks this is still about the disease i encourage them
01:27:50.980to think a lot more broadly than that because it's a lot like climate change i mean we just heard a
01:27:55.860bunch of facts where none of the things are really working the measures that they're doing the
01:28:00.980measures are a big pretense it's ending up in the dump so what is this all of the all of this about
01:28:06.580in the environmental movement is really actually about the environment or is the environment
01:28:11.060a specific means to an end to get certain kind of regulations and controls a mentality of scarcity
01:28:16.260etc into the public mind so yeah i mean people need to wake up and open their eyes a bit and
01:28:24.180really you know a lot of people who are concerned say well how can we stop this and i do think that's
01:28:29.140a very important question and i think that's the selfless question but i think there's other ways
01:28:34.260that we need to start looking at this and that is if if Canada is going to head
01:28:38.520on this road that we and we can't stop it is it time to move is it time to leave0.90
01:28:42.360Canada like the some of the Mennonites did when they could see the Bolshevik1.00
01:28:46.740Revolution where it was going to end up and they came to Canada generations ago0.98
01:28:50.400or like Art Pawlowski says well you know I came in 1995 and they promised
01:28:55.180freedom here and it's not looking like that right now and I know where this can
01:28:59.220end up because I've seen it I grew up in it so yeah I mean it is concerning I
01:29:03.780think one thing people can do because the food prices have gone up and i don't think we've seen
01:29:08.740the end of that is if you are any non-perishable food that you want you should be buying it right
01:29:14.180now because if there's 10 or 12 increase in inflation by the end of the year well you just
01:29:19.460save yourself 10 at the best uh you know at at the worst case scenario and the best benefit
01:29:25.940uh it's going to be hard to get out there and and there'll be food shortages but at the worst
01:29:29.940you know, you save yourself 10%. Yeah, you've got some shelf space that all got taken up with some
01:29:35.540cans of food, but you're going to eat it. So I think there's certain things that people can do
01:29:39.260right now to prepare for worst case scenarios, but it's certainly time to speak up. And I think
01:29:45.460people need to, when they're looking at things, stop Googling them and start looking them up on
01:29:51.280DuckDuckGo. There was one video where you can take it or leave it, but Dr. Sherry Tenpenny talked
01:29:57.480about eight ways the MRNA vax can kill you.
01:30:00.440I don't know if it's going to kill you.
01:30:01.680It's going to, it could be bad for immunity instead of better.
01:30:05.540But if you look that up on Google, you can't even find it.
01:30:08.940And if you look it up on DuckDuckGo, you can see a whole screen full of that video exactly as it is.
01:30:16.880So people are being protected, quote unquote, from certain information.0.99
01:30:22.880And the only information we see about these doctors is that they're quacks and kooks,1.00
01:30:56.700So I was talking again with Chris Sims of the Taxpayers Federation earlier, and part of what they're putting out was how carbon taxes aren't actually reducing emissions.
01:31:07.200They're not actually having any impact.
01:31:09.120You wrote recently, though, as well, carbon taxes and the impact on agricultural producers, because it's an area people are thinking about when they're filling up to go to the soccer game or something, but they're forgetting these get applied all over the place.
01:31:20.560And that trickles all the way down to you as a consumer, no matter which way you go about it.
01:31:24.400And it's really putting pressure on our ag community.
01:31:27.580Can you expand a bit on your article there?
01:31:29.940Well, there's a few things going on there.
01:31:32.080Yes, I mean, there are signs, first of all, with the initial thing here that the prices are going up.
01:31:37.040Now, when we saw the thing that was happening in 2008 when there was a massive injection of government money,
01:31:44.020it didn't really trickle into the economy for various reasons.
01:31:48.260And the Bank of Canada wound that down quite quickly to get its balance sheets back to normal.
01:31:53.260Well, this time around, we're not seeing that. We're already seeing the early signs of inflation.
01:31:57.780And the debate amongst economists is really, when is it going to hit?
01:32:01.660And that's another reason to, again, spend, except maybe on lumber right now, because it's a crazy price.
01:32:07.320But if you know you're going to spend it in the next year, you better spend it now.
01:32:10.860Now, with regards to the carbon tax on agricultural matters, yeah, I mean, it's going to be another thing that drives up the cost.
01:32:19.640And talking to Trevor Tombaugh or other economists about this, the fact that you have a carbon tax, even if they rebate it all back, let alone do Aaron O'Toole's dumb idea of a points program.
01:32:30.600But even if you rebate it all back, it does affect the economy.
01:32:33.480And so agricultural producers have very large input costs.
01:32:38.060You know, it costs a lot to put in gas or diesel in your tractor.
01:32:43.060and they have lots of input costs with greenhouses for those who are using them and other ways that
01:32:52.720even with feed and whatnot, it costs. So they are, as a producer, absorbing a lot of these
01:33:00.340consumption taxes on carbon, basically. So yeah, I mean, it's a concern for them and they are trying
01:33:06.780to exempt in any way that they can through the agriculture carbon alliance they are trying to
01:33:13.740lobby the government to acknowledge the carbon sinks that are in their land which the government
01:33:21.180is doing for the ones since 2017 but again the more conscientious or or maybe foreseeing farmers
01:33:27.420that did it before then they're not getting any credit for it so they want it there's a conservative
01:33:32.140of bill that's going to exempt some of that if it passes, but they want to see exemptions from
01:33:36.940carbon tax even further, not just on their fuel, but on other input costs. So, I mean, good luck to
01:33:42.700them. One of the problems that John Robson has seen, who is the history professor at Augustine
01:33:48.340College, but also has a forum for talking about climate change, he says, as soon as you concede
01:33:53.940the argument on climate change, you really have conceded the carbon tax. As soon as you say it's
01:33:59.780this man-made contribution that is the crucial and major factor in worldwide ecology and climate
01:34:06.300change then he says you know it's very hard to have the moral argument against a carbon tax and
01:34:10.560he says the fact that neither the conservatives nor most groups are willing to debate in that
01:34:16.860which again part of the reason they don't is is there is this uh sort of um the conformist kind
01:34:23.340of almost religious belief that this is man-made climate change and and again if you say anything
01:34:29.440or present any evidence contrary to that, the cancel culture says you shouldn't.
01:35:14.900So if you wipe that out, I'm not sure what you have left.
01:35:17.740You have a service economy and you might have some high tech, but it's not like we keep all the brightest minds either.
01:35:23.860and with the math curriculum, the way it is in some of these provinces, I don't even know if
01:35:28.520our kids are going to be able to add two plus two. Yeah, well, and we're heading into, there's no
01:35:34.200doubt about it. I mean, we're in hard times. We're heading for harder times. I mean, we've put
01:35:38.420everything on the credit cards to get through this year. It's going to lead to inflation. It's
01:35:42.240going to lead to other challenges. I mean, a great number of businesses have gone out of business
01:35:46.640and they won't be coming back. Something I'm exploring more, but a large number of businesses
01:35:51.980that are open right now, they're hanging in there only because of the current subsidies.
01:35:55.780They're getting wage subsidies. They're getting rent subsidies. But when that comes to an end,
01:36:00.140they're shuttering their doors too. So we're going to have unemployment. We're going to have
01:36:03.160closed businesses, massive government debt, inflation. I know I'm just sounding like the
01:36:09.500apocalypse is coming, but this is scary stuff and we've got to pay attention. And so we should be
01:36:14.540looking to what can we do domestically to keep that cost of living down while we recover? What
01:36:19.460can we do to make it affordable? And of course, energy ties into everything. So I'm tying into,
01:36:24.820you'd written recently on line five. Now Gretchen Whitmer, speaking of lunatic0.97
01:36:28.460environmentalists, the governor of Michigan, she looks very dedicated to shutting that line down1.00
01:36:36.240by any means. The environmentalists are still lined up behind her. They're starting to find0.98
01:36:40.340native activists to put at the front of the line. It's turned into a battleground. You wrote recently
01:36:45.900on the impacts of a line five shutdown and it's going to impact a lot of us i mean east and west
01:36:51.740some people are kind of looking forward to it in a sense i gotta admit i've said a little bit of it
01:36:55.500just for a reality check you know guys this is what happens when you shut down your domestic
01:36:59.660ability because that's what we're doing but all the same it's going to have a very big impact on
01:37:03.820a lot of people and you wrote on that can you tell us a little bit more about that oh well yeah
01:37:08.940you know it's interesting talking to dan mctee the former liberal mp who's now in charge of
01:37:13.980Canadians for Affordable Energy, which he founded. He said, I have been trying to warn people about
01:37:18.260this for years. And he says, nobody wanted to pay attention to me until just recently at the 11th
01:37:23.640hour when we could lose everything. Oh, is this a public issue? Yes, it is. He says, if we'd have
01:37:28.980had Energy East approved, it wouldn't have been so bad. You know, they'd be much closer by now.
01:37:34.380Well, actually, if it had been approved in the early stages, it would have been done by now.
01:37:38.580But he says, if we had that, we wouldn't have all our eggs in one basket. But as it is,
01:37:42.860you've got a 45 percent loss to Ontario's fuel supply and its refinery supply if line five gets
01:37:50.420shut down and also for Quebec it's about the same numbers line five feeds into line nine which goes
01:37:55.440to Quebec and some of the western independence people like Barry Cooper who I enjoy talking to
01:38:02.380at the University of Calgary he says you know the the worst damages does the better in a perverse way
01:38:07.880for the east to understand the west's pain when it just keeps shutting down pipelines because
01:38:12.680you can have this imaginary economy where you don't need any fossil fuels and pipelines are bad
01:38:17.420and oil is bad but as soon as you see the prices triple which some analysts say could actually
01:38:23.080happen if line five was shut down as soon as that happens boy you know they're going to really really
01:38:27.860be missing that fossil fuel and realize that they cannot live without it and maybe they should not
01:38:31.920have been so smug but this is bad for michigan ohio pennsylvania because line five provides a
01:38:38.280lot for them as well it takes a lot of the western oil mostly from us actually and then it'll start
01:38:44.940out at the western edge of the Great Lakes and then it heads through mostly under the ground
01:38:52.160but there's about a four mile stretch where it goes through the Strait of Mackinac and then it
01:38:58.200it comes out so they want to eventually put this in a concrete corridor so they're still working
01:39:04.540on that. But in the meantime, Whitmer wants to shut it down. And the latest thing she did
01:39:08.220just on Wednesday was to say, well, if this continues, as far as we're concerned, it's
01:39:13.360illegal now. And we will just basically take away all revenue from Enbridge from any money it makes
01:39:19.240from now on. So this is somebody who is basically putting the poison pill to their own economy
01:39:23.960without good reason. And there hasn't been, I mean, there was a couple of times where anchors
01:39:28.880and different things hit this pipeline in 2018 and 2019, didn't cause any harm, but she's very
01:39:37.580alarmist and she's disturbing. This is the same woman who a year ago banned seeds from being sold
01:39:43.420in stores because of Corona, you know, so you couldn't plant your garden. So people don't like0.74
01:39:47.740her. And again, she's not for the people. And we're seeing far too much of this is there are0.98
01:39:51.740people in government right now, whether they're in Calgary, whether they're in Ottawa, whether
01:39:56.020there in Lansing, Michigan or wherever their capital is that are not for the people. And so
01:40:01.380what are the people going to do? Just sit and take it. Well, yeah, a lot of this is based on a lie.
01:40:06.380And the thing is, one has to look at somebody like Gretchen Whitmer and there's a lot of Gretchen0.83
01:40:10.140Whitmers out there, but she's an ideologue. And unfortunately with an ideologue, you can't
01:40:14.480reason with them. And you know, the lie that's being exposed is that as you pointed out,
01:40:20.400there's been a couple of anchor strikes. It got people concerned. Okay, fair enough. It is a
01:40:23.820concern. You wouldn't want something that moves half a million barrels of fuel a day to suddenly
01:40:27.820start leaking into the Great Lakes. So let's address this. And Enbridge did. They said,
01:40:32.360we are going to case it in concrete. We're going to upgrade it. This thing ran safely for nearly
01:40:36.68070 years, but you know what? There's a risk presenting itself and we are going to tunnel
01:40:41.400and change that so that that risk doesn't present itself. Now, Whitmer knows this,
01:40:46.880but the problem she has, the reality, and again, this gets back to the lie and the idealism,
01:40:51.460is that if they do that, then that pipe will run for another 50 to 70 years. And that's what she
01:40:57.260doesn't want. It's that anti-petroleum fanaticism that we just have to shut down this infrastructure0.99
01:41:03.880using any excuse and means possible. And then somehow, you know, unicorn piss will appear and
01:41:10.260we will be able to power our homes on it. But, you know, that's where the problem is. And that's
01:41:14.300where the standoff is. And I don't see, you know, people are saying it's not going to happen. It's
01:41:18.360not going to happen well i don't see where the intervention is going to come from to change it
01:41:21.700maybe the american courts will step up but biden's obviously staying way the hell out of this one so
01:41:26.000what might save people from this well i don't know save yourself or call out of god to save you i
01:41:32.960really i mean whatever it is it's not going to be the politicians i think that it needs to be the
01:41:37.580people and um you know it's interesting sometimes you see some cues for the future in some science
01:41:44.060fiction shows. I've been looking at some of the old episodes of The Outer Limits, and there was
01:41:49.220this person who was bred in a government facility in the future in a hatchery and was a soldier all
01:41:54.400of his life, and somehow he went through some anomaly and time traveled back to the past,
01:41:58.740and so he's learning English better, and he's asking, what is government? What is this? And
01:42:03.740he said, this is the people who make decisions for us because we let them. Okay, so I thought,
01:42:09.400wow now there's some social commentary from 1964 that still applies uh this is scary you know we've
01:42:16.360had a good run in the west for a long time you know we haven't had wars on our shores we we've
01:42:21.300had democracy and whatnot but i think we need to start looking at the scenarios that happened in
01:42:26.820nazi germany uh and people are could be saying people like me okay you're on the wrong side of
01:42:32.560history well if you're in 1933 you're on the wrong side of history but in 1946 you're looking pretty
01:42:37.640good and i remember reading actually hearing an interview and it was called the blind spot and it
01:42:43.940was to hitler's secretary she was just taken from a clerical pool in the late for in the towards the
01:42:51.200end of the war you know 1944 or so and so she was up close with hitler really had no idea what the
01:42:56.040nazis were about and so she recounted in this interview some of her observations and what was
01:43:01.560happening at the end in the bunker and kind of the dire mood as the bombs got closer she said after
01:43:06.480the war she saw a memorial to somebody who spoke out against the nazis a young woman who paid the
01:43:11.960price for it and she looked at that and she's like wow this girl was my age and somehow she saw it
01:43:18.600and why didn't i and she was right there with as hitler's secretary and as a woman who was 80 at
01:43:25.400this interview she said i am just now beginning to forgive myself so you know there's the opportunity
01:43:32.460for people watching this to see. And I encourage them to look deeper. I really hate the fact that
01:43:38.940the Saskatchewan government is holding our own children hostage and saying, if you vaccinate
01:43:43.22070% of them with the COVID shot, well, then we can open things up again. So they are making
01:43:48.360these people's political pawns. And I've got teenage daughters that this is going to affect
01:43:54.520if they choose to get this vaccine. And I don't really, you know, have the final say in this
01:44:00.080in the situation. So I'm concerned for them. And really, when you look at the infection rates for
01:44:05.180kids, they should not be getting a vaccine that we have developed in record time, a fraction of
01:44:11.000the record time of any previous vaccine, which is not even actually a vaccine in the traditional
01:44:15.600sense. They're not working by the methodology of having a weak version of a COVID virus,
01:44:21.240because it's kind of weak as it is anyway. They're using a completely different kind of
01:44:26.360methodology. And we're seeing some disturbing side effects in the short term and some in the
01:44:32.720long term, even by people who've been close to people with the vaccine. Now, this may sound
01:44:36.900weird if you've never heard it, but there's even people whose menstrual cycles, if they've been
01:44:40.600near someone with the vaccine, it's all going wonky. We're seeing postmenopausal and prepubescent
01:44:45.780girls that are having vaginal bleeding that are because of their proximity to someone with the
01:44:51.460vaccine. But all of these kinds of otherwise normally very disturbing would be made public
01:44:56.560kind of things. They're being suppressed because it might be causing vaccine hesitancy. And the
01:45:03.300doctors that speak out about it are getting chastised and threatened with losing their
01:45:07.500license and silence and this kind of thing. This is communist East Germany kind of tactics.
01:45:12.800This is terrible. Yeah. And to get back to, you know, as I said, like, I don't think there's
01:45:18.820anybody as motivated or as horrible in the background as Hitler at this point but the
01:45:22.880principles are the same and the problem and as you pointed out with your analogy I mean things were0.88
01:45:26.700almost easier for for lunatics like him and sickbuggers to pull off what he did your average0.91
01:45:31.780German on the ground did not really actually know what was going on in those outside areas they0.99
01:45:36.920would they're human they would have been mortified to realize there was such mass extermination I
01:45:41.120mean there were issues going on you know that's a whole separate show and discussion but what it
01:45:45.720gets to is the importance of free flow of information and communication among people.
01:45:51.140We are at one of the most empowered times. Well, we are at the most empowered time of human history
01:45:55.500for information. I mean, the government is trying its hardest through C10 and through other things
01:46:00.120to stem the flow of information. And I mean, hey, you know, vaccine concerns, other things,
01:46:08.220there's debates to be had. Some are right and some are wrong, but the only way to do it is
01:46:12.300through communication, stifling the voices doesn't aid any of us. We need to keep those
01:46:17.340communication lines full. And it is distressing to see that the government feels the better way
01:46:21.440to deal with this is to step on individual rights rather than try and bring it in the open then and
01:46:25.840make your case. If you're right, make your case and let's debate it. Oh, absolutely. You know,
01:46:31.000one of the interesting things that when you look deeper at the whole Nazi phenomenon is that when
01:46:36.120the Cold War ended, those Nazi scientists, well, some of them, they're completely unaccounted for.
01:46:41.060Some of them went into the United States in Operation Paperclip,
01:46:44.000and the others went into Russia, and they just kept on going.
01:46:46.880And so the research that they gained and some of the mentality has seeped into some things.
01:46:53.280But when I went to Yad Vashem, and if viewers go to fcpp.org and read Lessons I Learned from Yad Vashem,
01:47:01.320when I went there in 2009, and this is the Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem,
01:47:06.000I had some very deep impressions from talking to the tour guide who was there.
01:47:11.000And I mean, first of all, when the Jews started to be exterminated, even the Jews, they heard
01:47:15.880rumors of it, but they couldn't believe it themselves.
01:47:17.880They could not believe that people in Poland or wherever else would be doing this to them
01:47:22.260or this be happening in Treblinka, would be happening in these other places.
01:47:26.380And they actually had to send someone to find out, really, an emissary.
01:47:31.220And after that, eventually, even though they were half starved by then, they finally decided
01:47:35.360to break out of the Warsaw Ghetto and, you know, found out that they could.
01:47:40.140And when you think also of even when you look at the sound of music, I mean, there's a part in there where she says, well, how did you know my dad was on vacation?
01:47:48.680He says, well, we make it our business to know everything about everybody.
01:47:52.920Well, this was the very same thing that Wazinski had for he predicted in 1971.
01:48:00.060He said that the the authorities will the technology will be there for the authorities to know even people's personal habits.
01:48:08.520Every app goes out. The app is listening all the time because so you can talk to it to tell it where you should be driving or, you know, Siri, what about blah, blah, blah.
01:48:18.480And then it'll tell you something. Or if you get a louder with Crowther, you ask it who Jesus Christ was and he'll tell you he was a fictional character.
01:48:27.480And you ask it who Mohammed was and they'll give you a biography. So, I mean, some of these things are happening.0.55
01:48:33.060But she says, remember, she says, this is the tour guide in Yad Vashem.
01:48:36.320She says, remember, all of this happened in a democracy, right?
01:48:39.920So if you think that Canada is all great and everything, I mean, Germany was very cultured, but it had economic desperation because of World War I and the reparations put on it.0.79
01:48:49.260And that economic desperation led to a Hitler.
01:48:52.660So if we have economic desperation imposed on us in Canada, and you have people thinking that government tracing and contact tracing and knowing everyone who's related to everyone and everywhere they go, all of a sudden this becomes advantageous somehow.0.88
01:49:07.280Well, you add economic desperation to that, and we can have our own Hitler.
01:49:11.140And I wouldn't call Trudeau a Hitler, but as far as this liberal government is listening to the people, it might as well be a dictatorship because they don't care about us out here, that's for sure.
01:49:21.800No, we've been spoiled and we always presume that the government's benevolent.
01:49:25.340It's because for the most part, that's what we've had.
01:49:27.680But we can't forget that there are people who will take that authority, that ability, those powers,
01:49:33.840and they will use them for ends that aren't in the interest of the people on the ground.
01:54:19.220And then women would want to, you know, they'd be more inclined to buy it.
01:54:22.720I mean, there was a whole bunch of subtleties and things that you never thought would be connected.
01:54:25.900But if you were to identify them, you would have to be thought of a nut job conspiracy theorist to say that they had anything to do with it.
01:54:32.660But he propagandized the people and even led a revolution in one of the countries that had taken away some of the interests of Alan Dulles and his brother,
01:54:42.720who had investments in this company and were losing because of what the new government was doing.
01:54:49.140And I mean, I encourage people to look at that.
01:54:51.740there's some good youtube videos on it there's uh the propaganda book and um the same thing is
01:54:57.820happening today we and and this is a really interesting thing and i know this is a bit of
01:55:02.280an aside but i think it's important is that what bernet said is he says we could imagine some people
01:55:07.620who were making the best decisions that were experts in every field but the people wouldn't
01:55:13.020have it because they insist on this thing on democ called democracy so he says that's where
01:55:17.100propaganda comes in so his whole premise is we make the people do what we want them to do by
01:55:23.560propaganda making them believe it's their own idea and this this is so you know what democracy has
01:55:30.120become is it's almost like when you have the kid that is maybe five years old he doesn't know how
01:55:35.060to play the video game and he wants to and you hand him a joystick that doesn't do anything and
01:55:39.380you say hey you're playing too now and they're and they're like and once in a while they go i
01:55:43.300don't think I'm doing anything. No, no, you're doing great. You're playing great. And you just
01:55:47.240let him think he's doing something. So, you know, we're the, the propaganda is, is at a high level
01:55:53.820right now. We have through Google search engines and different techniques that they do. We're more
01:56:01.140inclined to pick the first thing on the screen and say, whatever our search engine said, that's
01:56:04.900probably the article I should read. And this has been proven many times through many different
01:56:10.240studies. So we are, we are getting led, we are getting herded. And then once in a while you get
01:56:15.680a sheep that wants to run out and, and say that, you know, I don't want to be shepherded in this
01:56:20.720way. I don't even think these shepherds are doing anything, but leading us to the slaughter.
01:56:24.800And, you know, you have the other sheep trying to round them up and say, no, don't leave.
01:56:28.080No, this shepherd is for our good. Well, that's great. It's been quite a
01:56:34.320discussion that we're getting up against the clock and I appreciate that. And yeah,
01:56:38.000uh information again it's a double-edged sword you know and it can be abused and taken against
01:56:42.880us by the state as you said in subtle ways and in direct ways and again my view of it is the
01:56:48.000the only cure for it is just more access to information and eventually we will we'll figure
01:56:52.480it out we can have different points of view and hopefully come to uh rational conclusions in the
01:56:58.400end but we've got to stand up for our rights or they will be taken away from us there's there's
01:57:01.840no getting around that it happens every time so thanks for having and coming on for such a great
01:57:06.560chat and thanks for your work out in saskatchewan keeping us up to date on what's happening out
01:57:10.400there i hope and look forward to hearing that you beat that 2800 fine because uh i'm certain you
01:57:15.760got better things you could do with that kind of money uh where can we find more information on
01:57:19.920what you're up to well uh western standard you can click on my name and see everything that i wrote
01:57:26.000there as well i also write for epic times i'm usually doing three articles for them a week
01:57:30.640and as well i write commentaries and do the occasional long research thing for frontier
01:57:35.360Center, which is fcpp.org. I have a YouTube channel that has the logo LeeTV, but the name
01:57:41.360is Lee Harding. And boy, if you do all that, you're listening to me an awful lot.
01:57:47.420That's excellent, Lee. I'm sure we'll be talking again soon. I'm looking forward to