Western Standard - The Cory Morgan Show. May 28 with guest Caylan Ford

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00:01:50.160 just, I had to check it a couple of times. Is this really true? And it is. So William Amos,

00:01:56.780 those who might remember, was the Liberal Member of Parliament who was walking around during,

00:02:02.440 I think it was a parliamentary committee meeting, or it might even have been an actual parliamentary

00:02:05.600 session. So it was on Zoom. He decided to walk around nude and didn't realize that his pecker

00:02:11.360 was hanging out whilst everybody else was watching him. And it made international news. It was quite 0.81

00:02:18.100 a story quite a scene. Well, here we go again. Now he's apparently, and this at least didn't

00:02:24.680 have screen snaps go out, so I don't understand exactly how this happened, but apparently he was

00:02:29.400 taking a leak and it was caught on camera and broadcast to everybody else. So he was caught

00:02:37.800 with his pecker in his hand yet again. You know, once is a mistake, twice is a pattern and a problem.

00:02:44.120 And now he says it was an accident in his statement, but at the same time, he's saying

00:02:47.140 he's stepping away from his duties as a parliamentary secretary to seek help.

00:02:51.400 Well, if it was just a mistake, what do you see he can help for?

00:02:54.360 But if it wasn't a mistake and you are purposely flashing yourself,

00:02:57.280 yeah, you need help, man.

00:02:58.460 You've got some serious issues.

00:03:00.320 I mean, this is bizarre.

00:03:02.160 You know, it really is.

00:03:03.100 And what were you doing?

00:03:03.940 I mean, how did you take your laptop into the bathroom with you?

00:03:07.680 Were you wearing a or carrying a selfie stick?

00:03:11.360 I mean, hearing a flush in the background and exposing yourself

00:03:14.580 are two whole totally separate issues. But either way, these are the people who govern us, guys.

00:03:20.940 These are our members of parliament. And that's a frightening sort of thing. If he really does have

00:03:27.760 some problems, I hope that he does get the help he so clearly needs. You know, hey, I'm with you,

00:03:38.000 buddy. I do not like clothes. My poor, long-suffering wife has to deal with me wandering

00:03:42.700 around the house sometimes with nothing on. I know this is giving images to you guys that you

00:03:46.500 don't want to think about as well. It doesn't present as pretty an image as it might have back

00:03:51.040 in the 90s and so on. But even I still know better than times like now when I'm going to be broadcast

00:03:56.740 or if I'm doing one of the many, many Zoom meetings that seem to be constantly going on

00:04:00.660 in a part of our life. You tend to cover things up before you get into the meeting. It's not that

00:04:04.860 complicated. It's not that hard unless apparently you're a liberal member of parliament. Then

00:04:10.660 somehow, it's quite a difficult task to manage for yourself. So I don't know, I guess for some

00:04:18.220 of the Liberal members, it would probably make some of those committee meetings a little more

00:04:21.120 less boring to watch and so on, but it really isn't there. So let's move on to some getting

00:04:29.480 on to our leadership in Ottawa too. So let's talk about socialist hypocrisy. You know, 0.94

00:04:35.240 the funniest thing is we've seen this right since the beginning of the pandemic. So much do as I say

00:04:40.360 not as I do. So, you know, we have really, and that's worthy of a whole other show,

00:04:45.040 seeing the left-right divide between people who want the state to step in and take care of them

00:04:50.060 and run their lives and tell them what to do. And they've embraced the state for the pandemic,

00:04:54.600 say, please, please lock us down. Tell us what to do. Hold me by the hand. Take away my rights

00:05:00.040 and save us all from each other. And Jagmeet Singh has been a very vocal voice for that.

00:05:04.760 lockdown lockdown lockdown masks shut down businesses castrate the economy the usual

00:05:10.220 socialist approach and here we have pictures of Jagmeet Singh unmasked with somebody outside of

00:05:15.640 his household having very close contact with the gentleman whoa really you know this gets really

00:05:23.580 tiresome we've seen this in the states we've seen it with uh most and most often it's the left-wing

00:05:29.420 politicians who keep telling us things then you find out they're at a hairdresser's or they're at

00:05:33.800 crowded restaurant or they held a house party these examples keep coming over and over and over again

00:05:39.640 it's ironic you know you'd think it would be conservative politicians who are getting caught

00:05:44.040 because they're the ones who are pushing back against the lockdowns against the restrictions 0.95

00:05:48.120 they'd be the ones less inclined to take it seriously but no it's always these bloody lefties 0.96

00:05:53.320 hypocrisy at the extreme but we see it on every level i mean black lives matters you know these 0.96

00:05:57.960 guys call themselves marxists and then you find out one of their main leaders has a collection of 0.91

00:06:02.280 mansions. That's nothing new. You know that the leaders in the Soviet Union always had themselves 0.97

00:06:07.760 some nice houses too. Going back to Orwell, some people are indeed more equal than others.

00:06:14.360 Getting on to who's more equal than others. The stampede, you know, and that's something that it

00:06:19.140 sounds like some form of it is going to be on. And of course, the left is going wild. They're

00:06:24.360 doing cartwheels. They're going crazy about it. Oh, Kenny's going to kill everybody. Look,

00:06:28.440 So we had 4,000 people come to Thai North Cots Rodeo weeks ago. It was fine. No problems. It

00:06:36.300 didn't turn into a super spreader event. In fact, these things are mythical. You see more unicorns

00:06:40.500 than you see super spreader events, whatever the hell they are. They're just something that people

00:06:46.380 keep bringing up to try and keep instilling fear and justifying further lockdowns. It didn't turn

00:06:52.620 into one. The Stampede's not going to turn into one. The Sylvan Lake gathering of people didn't

00:06:56.140 turn into one. The people in Toronto down there didn't turn into one. The Texan baseball games

00:07:00.940 with tens of thousands of people didn't turn into super spreader events. I'm just tired of hearing

00:07:05.400 about these things. Guys, you got to be able to point to a couple that actually happen before you

00:07:09.320 can keep trying to freak us out about these things. They don't happen. So the Stampede's coming though.

00:07:13.300 Nenshi's going wild as usual. Man, he's going to be more agonizing than ever in this last six months

00:07:18.760 in office and his little underling there, Gondek, who wants to replace him. You know, so he's on

00:07:25.920 the Stampede board. And you got to remember the Stampede board, this is a bunch of appointees.

00:07:29.600 It's an honor position. These are the connected Calgary people. Unfortunately, these aren't the

00:07:34.860 people grounded in reality. These aren't the people suffering under these lockdowns. These

00:07:37.740 are people with guaranteed salaries, as usual. The people who lock us down are the people who

00:07:41.820 don't have to worry about paying their own bloody bills. So they can't stop the Stampede. Kenny

00:07:47.700 seems to have pushed along too far with that, but they've shut down every other aspect. Well,

00:07:51.300 we're going to shut down the grandstand show. We're going to pull the rug out from under the

00:07:54.480 chuck wagon races, and chances are they're going to stop the parade. They'll do everything in their 0.99

00:07:59.200 power at least to make it as miserable as possible. So yeah, we're holding it, but we don't want people

00:08:04.960 to have a good time. It's all politics. It has nothing to do with health. They just want Jason

00:08:10.440 Kenny's moves to be as negatively received as possible, and that's what they're doing. So this

00:08:15.800 will be two years in a row, the chuck wagon races, lockdown, shutdown. These guys, and I think a lot

00:08:21.260 of people want the truck wagon races to come to an end. Animal activists, others such as that.

00:08:26.820 This is just a great pretense for it. You know, maybe we won't do it through legislation. We can

00:08:30.780 just bankrupt them through shutting it down year after year like this for the sake of the pandemic.

00:08:36.040 If we can hold the rodeo part, we can hold the bloody truck wagon races. If we can hold the

00:08:40.200 rodeo part, we can hold the grandstand show. But they shut it down. And again, it's political.

00:08:48.640 they don't want the stampede to be a success they really don't the people the ones that were

00:08:53.480 dominating these boards committees commissions you got to remember these are ones that are came

00:08:57.140 in from the city of calgary municipal politics ninchi he despises kenny he despises conservatism

00:09:05.520 he despises individualism he wants to have these lockdowns i mean this is the man who supports

00:09:11.120 having the mask mandate all the way to 2022 the city put the law into 2022 they're gonna have to

00:09:16.940 sit down and meet. If this pandemic keeps going down as we anticipate and hope it will,

00:09:22.940 at some point the city hall is either going to make us wear masks in Calgary all the way until

00:09:27.620 2022, or they will actually have to sit and reconvene and repeal that gross law that he

00:09:34.280 extended. And this was months ago, all the way to the end of the year. So yes, he doesn't want to

00:09:40.260 see the stampede being a success. It undercuts all the crap he's been doing all year. He wants 0.98

00:09:44.780 people to go down and have a terrible time. He wants money to be lost. And I'm not going along

00:09:48.560 those lines of where it got too far with Madhu. I don't think they're hoping for mass infections.

00:09:53.240 They're not hoping for people to die. These guys are human, but they do want it to be a failure.

00:09:58.100 They don't want to see Kenny succeed in anything. They've been rubbing their hands together,

00:10:02.260 hoping that Notley can get back in. And as things go badly, it looks perhaps a little more likely.

00:10:08.640 it's hard to say uh so um the uh i'm sorry people messaging me where the heck was i there

00:10:18.400 so either way these guys want to undercut any moves to reopen uh you know the bottom line is

00:10:24.020 somebody said i saw coming on it the other day too and not lee is just something else you know

00:10:28.780 if kenny got up one morning and said the sky was blue she would be up very shortly afterwards to

00:10:34.900 say, no, it's pink. Like there's opposition. Absolutely. And that's the role is there to

00:10:40.080 be critical. But then there's blind opposition. There's partisan opposition. There's hysteric

00:10:44.760 opposition, ideological opposition, which means there's no reasoning. They're just going to oppose

00:10:50.460 no matter what. And that's what we have right now. That's what the world's become in a sense.

00:10:55.620 I mean, we saw the Trump derangement syndrome. We've got the Kenny derangement syndrome going

00:11:00.600 on now too. You know, not a hundred percent of the things Trump did were wrong. But if you listen to

00:11:05.440 his opponents, there was nothing, nothing that man could do that they would ever even at least

00:11:10.440 just quietly accept. It was wrong no matter what. Well, the hysteric anti-Kenny people, and again,

00:11:17.500 hey, I'm not some big defender of Kenny. I mean, the Western standard has not exactly been friendly

00:11:22.460 to the UCP government on a number of fronts, but we'll applaud them when they're doing some things

00:11:27.560 correctly, at least. We're not going to undercut every possible move he does. We can't. It's not

00:11:34.260 healthy for the democracy. It's not healthy for any of us. So we're going to watch, you know,

00:11:40.500 it's going to be a very bizarre summer. The irony of what I see is particularly in municipal politics,

00:11:46.600 because a lot of the ones are celebrating the shutting down of the chuck wagons and the ones

00:11:50.140 that are saying that Jason Kenney's being irresponsible and that he's shutting down

00:11:53.840 to opening up too early. I bet you a lot of those ones who are campaigning for their seats

00:11:58.640 are suddenly going to be showing up at the stampede pancake breakfast, flipping pancakes

00:12:02.720 and serving sausages because that's a critical campaign period. That's where you meet people

00:12:08.220 face to face. That's where you humanize yourself. These are campaign opportunities that don't cost

00:12:12.380 your campaign much. You get lots of face time with Calgarians and voters and it humanizes you.

00:12:18.780 I mean, there's nothing better than giving somebody a cold rubbery pancake and some bacon

00:12:21.980 after they waited in line for 45 minutes.

00:12:24.420 That's a stampede tradition.

00:12:26.040 It's what we do.

00:12:27.600 But those who just have issues

00:12:31.880 with the stampede opening and so on,

00:12:33.540 I'll be watching for that.

00:12:34.720 I'm watching you guys, you candidates,

00:12:38.100 you sitting councillors and so on

00:12:40.600 who are critical of the reopening,

00:12:43.040 saying it's too soon,

00:12:43.980 saying the stampede is irresponsible.

00:12:47.100 And if I see you guys out there

00:12:49.120 glad-handing campaigning

00:12:50.560 and making use of the stampede for your campaign after you said the stampede was irresponsible

00:12:56.840 and opening up I'm going to be calling you guys out on it so as far as I'm concerned every candidate

00:13:01.900 who has criticized the stampede saying it's irresponsible and opening up early better not

00:13:05.660 be seen down there you better not be at a pancake breakfast you better not be at any of those

00:13:10.600 stampede events glad handing and campaigning because you said it was irresponsible and that

00:13:16.100 mean by token you were being irresponsible so we'll wait and watch either way i'm going into

00:13:23.140 this as much as i rant and i'm crabby i'm going into things with optimism we're seeing some

00:13:27.060 reopening we're seeing a timeline we might have a bit of a life this summer we might enjoy ourselves

00:13:31.780 so ranting aside i see kaylin's joined me in the lobby there and as i said she's going to be coming

00:13:36.660 in we're going to talk about some education things so let's get her in there hey kaylin how you doing

00:13:42.660 i'm doing well thanks how are you corey oh good good like i said it's therapeutic i get my ranting

00:13:47.540 out get it off my chest and i feel better for the rest of the day i make everybody else miserable

00:13:51.300 but that's what my job is so uh i'm glad you came on to join me it's a big subject you know and and

00:13:58.820 you put that out on twitter and uh i i'm just um i was happy to see it and discuss this at length

00:14:06.100 because you know on a number of levels we've we've got we're coming out of the pandemic we need some

00:14:11.380 policy reform we need to re-examine a whole lot of things and one area that we're seeing with a

00:14:15.940 lot of push and pull is and it's not necessarily pandemic related but it still is the education

00:14:20.580 system it's so rigid it's so uh inflexible and and so challenging you know we should really be

00:14:26.740 looking at ways to change how it's done and uh what you were promoting i guess i'll start into

00:14:31.780 that was the the calgary classical academy so a charter school system which would be maybe explain

00:14:36.660 bit about charter schools and what you're looking to get going there sure so you talk about the

00:14:41.460 education system being rigid and in some ways alberta is actually better than a lot of other

00:14:46.100 provinces in canada i think we're the only province in canada that has public charter schools so the

00:14:52.660 idea here is that if you have a unique constituency of students with particular aptitudes or needs

00:14:58.660 or a unique pedagogical approach or different kinds of content that you want to teach you can

00:15:04.500 apply to the ministry of education to set up a charter school and uh operate with a little bit

00:15:10.420 more autonomy and flexibility than what's available within the regular public system

00:15:14.660 but they're still publicly funded and they're tuition-free schools so they're available to

00:15:18.340 all students um who sort of meet the requirements um or who who want that kind of education

00:15:25.620 um and so this particular idea came about i've been talking about it with a number of parents

00:15:31.780 and a couple of teachers and classical education enthusiasts for a while,

00:15:36.580 the idea of starting a classical education program in Calgary.

00:15:39.500 This has become very popular in the United States over the last several years.

00:15:43.100 There are very, very successful classical charter networks in the U.S.

00:15:47.580 And there's nothing analogous here, though.

00:15:51.260 And so that's kind of where the idea initially came from.

00:15:55.380 So has it been met with, you know, good response so far, enthusiasm and support?

00:15:59.820 So far, yeah. So we're still in the application phase. The initial application is due on June

00:16:08.540 1st, on this coming Tuesday. And before then, we need to get statements of interest or intent from

00:16:14.780 parents who would want to enroll their kids in this kind of program. So we just launched a website

00:16:19.980 last Friday, I think, a very soft launch and already had a lot of parents signing up and a

00:16:25.260 lot of teachers reaching out to saying that this is precisely the kind of school they want to be

00:16:28.940 teaching in well that's great and you know it's something i've seen and as you said yeah i mean

00:16:34.060 ontario i don't believe they have the charter school options uh alberta's got its separate

00:16:37.900 school thing it was made made initially on a religious basis but at least it it opened the

00:16:41.900 door to having more than one system within one province and i find it funny you know you listen

00:16:48.220 to a lot of educators teachers and they and they point out rightly that different students different

00:16:54.220 kids need different means of teaching in order to excel that you you can't use a rubber stamp not

00:16:59.340 all of them respond to teaching in the same ways and you need to be flexible with that they

00:17:05.820 particularly point that out a lot when it comes to standardized testing which they oppose

00:17:09.660 you know at all fronts because as they say it doesn't apply to every kid

00:17:12.700 but then as soon as you talk about well let's talk about providing individual unique options

00:17:17.100 for them then suddenly the unions rise up and say absolutely not it has to be one overwhelming

00:17:21.500 public uniform system well guys pick a lane here i mean well yeah i mean the the key to

00:17:27.340 understanding that is that charter school teachers cannot be members of the ata

00:17:31.740 so the ata naturally is interested in protecting uh protecting its interests and um and you know

00:17:40.620 and to give an idea as well you mentioned the um the catholic boards so charter schools are are

00:17:46.540 as a rule they're not denominational they're not they don't have a particular religious affiliation

00:17:51.100 um and there's a variety of them there are arts focused charters there are charters for gifted

00:17:55.420 and talented students uh for for students who have special needs um as well as some that focus on um

00:18:02.780 arts uh stem um i think there's a newly approved charter in the edmonton area uh in sort of in the

00:18:10.060 rural area that focuses on that sort of an agricultural orientation vocationally and

00:18:15.820 And what this one would do is,

00:18:18.640 when I say it's a classical charter,

00:18:20.680 that means that there's an explicit emphasis,

00:18:23.200 not just on developing students' cognitive aptitudes

00:18:28.700 and fostering intellectual excellence,

00:18:30.980 there's a real focus on moral

00:18:33.440 and aesthetic excellence as well.

00:18:36.520 It's centered on a great books program,

00:18:38.820 which means students are exposed,

00:18:40.320 they're put into direct conversation

00:18:41.980 with the really enduring classical works of art

00:18:44.420 literature and philosophy from around the world a lot of classical schools are very western canon

00:18:49.860 focused so we would hope to have something that's a little bit broader in scope and expand the canon

00:18:55.780 and taught using a trivium approach which is the sort of the classical grammar logic rhetoric

00:19:01.620 progression teaching students giving them a really strong base of knowledge and then teaching them

00:19:07.460 how to reason clearly and engage in actually good arguments and discern between good and

00:19:13.220 bad forms of argument and use their logic correctly. And then finally, the rhetoric stage,

00:19:18.180 they become proficient communicators and become persuasive in communicating.

00:19:23.140 And it's also a bit unique, and there's a very strong focus in our proposal on arts, music,

00:19:29.380 drama, dance, fine arts, poetry, a strong outdoor component, and a no smartphone policy,

00:19:38.340 because it's very hard to be reading great books when you're distracted by smartphones

00:19:42.980 and social media yeah that goes outside of the the classroom as well and i'm a terrible student

00:19:49.140 for that myself but uh but i mean no and that all sounds fantastic and clearly it's only modeled to

00:19:55.140 certain types of students are going to have an aptitude for for such a liberal arts intensive

00:19:59.380 program like that but for those who need it i mean it would just be a a godsend uh you know i mean

00:20:04.100 it's very specified they're certainly never going to get that sort of environment in the regular

00:20:07.300 public system nor should the public system try to bring in such an intensive focus on that because

00:20:11.700 most students would shy from it I just love the pursuit and the ability to come up with these

00:20:17.860 specialized types of courses for students and yeah I'm quite excited about you know especially

00:20:24.500 when you talk about the reasoning I mean a lot of what seems to come in school and it's fallen

00:20:28.100 is yes you consume data and then regurgitated for a test and pass well that's great and some kids

00:20:33.300 are very good at that and then there's roles for that sort of thing going forward but to be able

00:20:37.540 to reason and come up with your own conclusions after consuming it and you know going further

00:20:43.300 with it that's a whole other art and it is an art and it needs to be taught a lot more so

00:20:50.420 there's an interesting tension animating and you see this in the curriculum debates in alberta too

00:20:55.780 a lot of the pushback against the new curriculum that was proposed comes from people who say who

00:21:02.100 resist the idea that it's such a knowledge rich program so the new curriculum has a ton of content

00:21:06.820 it's extremely content rich students are expected to learn and commit to their long-term memory a

00:21:13.060 huge amount of information particularly in social studies so a lot of historical facts and there are

00:21:20.260 people in education faculties in particular who believe that knowledge is not relevant

00:21:26.580 not developmentally appropriate and unnecessary to the development of higher order reasoning skills

00:21:32.180 And they're wrong.

00:21:34.180 It's a bizarre ideology, but it's spreading.

00:21:37.180 It's a bizarre idea that has permeated the education faculties.

00:21:41.180 And these are where teachers are taught.

00:21:43.180 So a generation of teachers has been taught.

00:21:45.180 Well, I mean, this kind of goes back to John Dewey about 100 years ago,

00:21:48.180 but it's really picked up within the last, I think, 20 years or so,

00:21:53.180 this idea that people don't actually need knowledge,

00:21:56.180 that knowledge is necessarily synonymous with kind of drill and kill

00:22:00.180 kill rote memorization and that it's just not necessary and so they say um you know kids can

00:22:05.780 learn to think critically and creatively without having acquired a base of knowledge and that's

00:22:11.300 nonsense and cognitive science totally refutes this idea so this is part of what we want to do

00:22:16.740 is to restore that sort of a solid foundation um a very broad understanding of history philosophy

00:22:24.740 ethics, mathematics, the natural sciences, people should learn about the environment,

00:22:29.940 and only once you've acquired that base of knowledge are you actually capable of reasoning

00:22:34.180 clearly about it and thinking critically about it, or drawing connections between these things,

00:22:40.020 or figuring out how to apply your knowledge in other ways. So in that sense, the philosophy is,

00:22:46.180 I mean, I would hope that this is adopted by all public schools, and this government is certainly

00:22:52.100 trying to move in that direction, albeit with an immense amount of pushback.

00:22:56.820 Yeah, well, that ties a little bit into kind of what I was ranting about prior to your coming

00:23:00.740 on was there is unfortunately a very polarized political environment right now going on. And

00:23:05.860 anything that the UCP government proposes is going to get vigorous opposition

00:23:09.860 from the established, often organized labor and others, no matter what they do. And it's really

00:23:14.660 sad. You know, we should be looking with a critical eye at the entire thing. If we really

00:23:18.820 do have the focus and goal of having students graduate with a very workable skill set, you know,

00:23:24.340 specific to them, then we should be at least examining these things. But that discussion

00:23:28.980 really gets shouted down pretty quickly. Yeah, it's the politicization of the new curriculum is

00:23:36.980 and the, in some cases, outright misinformation that's been promulgated about it is very

00:23:42.580 frustrating i mean this is a curriculum that rem that really fixes huge deficiencies in the way

00:23:48.820 that we've been teaching math and literacy something like 30 of alberta students in grade

00:23:53.060 three are not reading at their grade level and they will probably never catch up because we've

00:23:58.100 been teaching it wrong we haven't been following the known that what are proven methods and um

00:24:04.260 social studies aspect has received most of the flack but there too like this is an enormous

00:24:10.020 improvement over what's been done in Alberta and certainly over the proposed

00:24:14.740 curriculum that the NDP offered, which, if you look at it, had virtually no content.

00:24:20.220 And I think this is something most parents don't understand.

00:24:23.140 They intended to teach abstract skills in a vacuum without ever specifying what

00:24:28.620 students are supposed to be learning.

00:24:30.860 Yeah, you have to, as you said, have to have that base before you can move on to

00:24:34.340 the higher levels, really, and process and make use of the education you had.

00:24:38.460 something that comes down to it, as you said, though, the ATA isn't involved with the charter

00:24:44.560 system. That's part of where the pushback comes to a degree, too. And it should be clarified. We've

00:24:48.520 got an unusual hybrid in Alberta. It's called the Alberta Teachers Association, and it is. It's a

00:24:53.100 professional association. But at the same time, they're juggling. They are a union. They have the

00:24:57.200 ability to strike. They take dues. They are a labor union as well, which I feel is something

00:25:04.340 that really needs to be rectified in alberta in my view it should separate these two entities

00:25:08.420 because they should have two completely different interests i mean the union's interest is in the

00:25:12.340 teachers and and the labor and so be it and that's a human right that's very important but the

00:25:17.780 teachers association in that case those should be a separate organization and that would be

00:25:22.740 perhaps what's going to speak a little more to concerns about curriculum or teaching methods

00:25:26.740 and things such as that but right now it's kind of locked in the union interest is kind of dominating

00:25:31.300 Yeah. Yeah. And I think I risk getting a little bit out of my depth here, but I think Alberta

00:25:37.060 is also the only province that has actually carved out a specific role for the ATA within

00:25:41.860 our Education Act. So the union in some ways holds an unusual amount of influence already in Alberta,

00:25:49.060 and obviously a huge amount of resources. And I don't want to give anyone the impression I'm

00:25:55.540 denigrating teachers when I talk about the union and what their interests are. These are very

00:26:00.580 different things um but yeah it can certainly be an obstacle to i think a lot of the types of

00:26:07.060 reforms that would be very useful um you know one area is in teacher training and certification um

00:26:14.740 it's almost it's kind of obscene to me that you could be for example a phd in english literature

00:26:22.820 you could teach at university and you're not allowed to teach at high school english

00:26:27.460 um you would have to if you wanted to teach in high school and a lot of academics today do

00:26:32.340 you would have to take two years out of your life mid-career and go and earn a bachelor of education

00:26:37.860 if you wanted to be able to teach in high school and this is uh i've had a couple of the people

00:26:41.700 who've reached out to us about this charter academy are in precisely that position they have

00:26:47.140 doctoral doctorate degrees in relevant fields and they say they would love to teach at a middle or

00:26:52.420 high school level at a classical academy because they want to teach a great books program they want

00:26:57.060 to be um introducing these these kinds of works to young minds and they're not allowed to um even

00:27:04.420 in a charter school or an independent school in alberta and even british columbia um changes that

00:27:10.980 people with advanced degrees in bc have a much easier path into the profession if they want to

00:27:15.060 to be teaching so there's a lot of ways i think that that um uh that this could become as you

00:27:22.020 said at the outset it's a little bit rigid still and this is certainly one of the areas where that

00:27:26.580 rigidity is apparent well there's a bit of an irony in that uh a lot of frustrated parents

00:27:31.940 and ones concerned about the system and so you know there's a growth in in homeschooling that's

00:27:35.380 been happening uh we're seeing some of that with the remote learning as well and i mean it takes

00:27:39.220 an incredible amount of dedication on the part of a parent to take that on and i imagine some parents

00:27:44.500 are fantastic teachers at home, but to be honest, some of them might not be that great.

00:27:49.720 But they qualify as long as they're following some degree of curriculum standards in order

00:27:53.420 to go forth and do that.

00:27:54.840 Yet somebody with a PhD can't, if it's in a structured environment, doesn't qualify

00:27:59.920 to become a teacher.

00:28:00.960 I mean, that's really limiting and seems kind of absurd.

00:28:04.280 Yeah, absurd is, I think, the right word.

00:28:06.180 And I think the teachers union might say that this is necessary to protect the professionalism.

00:28:12.460 the it's a professionalization thing right they want to make sure that all teachers have teaching

00:28:17.020 certificates well teaching certificates didn't exist until like i don't know 60 years ago um

00:28:22.220 bachelor of education programs weren't a thing uh you got a regular degree you learn specific

00:28:27.020 content um and you you know go to a normal school and um so the idea that teachers need

00:28:33.980 a teaching certificate i'm sure that there are some programs that are useful but if you look

00:28:37.660 through the curriculum offered by um in bachelor of education programs um i think a lot of people

00:28:45.660 would be quite shocked at the kind of curriculum that they're offering that they're mandating

00:28:49.500 teachers go through um it's a today it's a lot of critical theory particularly in the last few years

00:28:56.140 and they're not actually learning very much content um i think part of the reason why

00:29:02.220 there's been some pushback to the new curriculum in alberta is a lot of teachers didn't learn the

00:29:07.580 stuff themselves they're expected to be able to teach about ancient mesopotamia and the qin

00:29:12.300 dynasty in china i think starting in grade one and this is material that they've never encountered

00:29:17.420 um they didn't learn this in their undergraduate degrees and it's a huge it's actually a very

00:29:22.860 steep learning curve legitimately um so i think this is another thing that i would like i would

00:29:29.180 like to see is that um teachers are given the resources and the support they need to be able

00:29:34.220 to teach this kind of content-rich curriculum, but also that ed schools actually start teaching

00:29:39.340 this kind of material and requiring it. Well, sitting aside that the fascinating

00:29:44.140 Chin Dynasty, I don't remember that from grade one as well, but it's something that came up

00:29:49.340 recently actually was some of the degree of teaching standards. There's quite an issue

00:29:53.420 breaking out in Ontario and that made the news with a teacher who was forlornly pictured hanging

00:30:00.220 on a swing sadly because she feared she might lose her job because they required she would have to

00:30:05.020 prove a grade nine mathematics proficiency on a test uh that's concerning i you know i understand

00:30:13.260 the teaching is broad and there's a number of subjects but i mean we're not talking about

00:30:16.860 matric we're not talking about high level math that's getting towards the end of the basics in

00:30:22.220 grade nine and i think any teacher should be capable of that and math is a hard one it's a

00:30:27.260 use it or lose it thing. I mean, I used to be a surveyor. I can't remember the trig and formulas

00:30:31.980 I used to use back in the nineties. When I surveyed, I got to admit, you know, back then I

00:30:35.100 could memorize them. I could go out, I could utilize them. But again, what are all those

00:30:39.420 professional development days for then? If not keeping up on these sorts of things, what, what,

00:30:42.940 what, you know, do you know what they're doing with their professional development days?

00:30:47.340 Well, I usually used to see them in my pub when I owned one.

00:30:49.660 I saw a, so I've talked to teachers from a couple school boards, one in Edmonton,

00:30:57.940 one in Calgary, and I won't say which ones, where they were mandating that the teachers read

00:31:04.140 what some people describe as neo-racist texts, like Imbram X. Kendi or Robin DiAngelo during

00:31:11.360 their professional development days, or that they read texts that promulgate ideas of race

00:31:17.200 essentialism that tell them that they should privilege certain students in the classroom on

00:31:21.500 the basis of heritable characteristics like their ethnicity. This is what teachers in Alberta are

00:31:26.380 doing during their PD days, and this is mandatory. And again, this is something that I think if

00:31:31.960 parents understood this, they would be up in arms. But most of us don't have the time or the bandwidth

00:31:38.100 to be looking into this. And a lot of some of the teachers I've spoken to say they are afraid of

00:31:43.900 speaking out. They don't they don't believe this is a good

00:31:47.560 use of their time. They don't believe in the ideology that has

00:31:51.520 sort of captured their schools increasingly. But they are

00:31:55.420 afraid that they will face professional repercussions if

00:31:59.180 they if they dissent from this ideology. So this is this is

00:32:04.600 another part of the problem that that this is responding to. A

00:32:09.340 lot of my parent friends have told me they just say I don't

00:32:12.100 trust the public education system anymore. And again, that is not to impugn individual teachers,

00:32:17.740 there are fantastic teachers everywhere. But that a lot of these institutions have been unable to

00:32:23.880 resist a kind of ideological capture. And so there's there has to be some way to get out of

00:32:29.980 that. Yeah, I mean, I want teachers of my kids or grandkids to, you know, be keeping themselves up

00:32:36.640 to date on grade nine math rather than critical race theory. If they want to take that as a

00:32:41.480 sideline fine you know those are separate individual and again it is a theory but I mean

00:32:45.960 these things get taught in yeah or passed on to teachers as if these are facts to follow and

00:32:50.920 again it gets to that rigid thing I mean if you didn't have such a monopoly almost monopoly

00:32:55.560 system with provision then teachers who were concerned with that can spread out or again of

00:32:59.540 course more importantly parents can move their kids to different institutions if they don't like

00:33:05.120 exactly yeah and uh vote with their student i guess in a sense and you know getting back to a

00:33:12.540 bit of that different learning and different standards uh i was a trouble student i was a

00:33:16.960 pain in the butt i i do too many teachers who had to endure and suffer through me my grade nine

00:33:24.260 teachers were absolute saints like it's really in retrospect unbelievable how patient they were with 0.95

00:33:29.540 me. Yeah. And I had a C average throughout most of my school time. For one year, my parents

00:33:36.900 shipped me off and outsourced me to a private boarding school out in BC where they applied

00:33:41.640 heavy discipline to me. My marks shot rate quite high for that year. And then I came back and then

00:33:47.580 actually floundered again back in the public system. But that was just me. But it's another

00:33:51.820 example of different students need different environments in order to come into their own,

00:33:57.820 I guess you could say to a degree. And, and we just aren't doing that. You know,

00:34:01.160 and the funny thing, when I, when I finished high school,

00:34:02.800 I didn't know what a trade was. I didn't know what an apprenticeship was.

00:34:07.580 I had never been taught. I didn't know what a journeyman was.

00:34:10.220 Most of what I knew from, you know, journeyman apprentices and so on was from

00:34:14.000 fantasy novels.

00:34:14.740 And I thought that was the means you took to becoming a master magician

00:34:17.200 eventually.

00:34:18.140 But school did not teach me a single thing about those options in the career

00:34:23.160 path. I mean,

00:34:23.940 I don't know if those are necessarily the options that were best for me or not,

00:34:27.900 but I should know that was coming out.

00:34:29.400 And I don't believe they're teaching much more of that today, if I can recall.

00:34:33.300 No. And again, I think this is an area where this government in Alberta has tried

00:34:38.380 to remedy that. They've tried to say that, you know, I think they recognize that

00:34:41.800 university actually isn't for everyone and that for those who are not interested

00:34:47.720 in pursuing pure academic streams, there needs to be some viable path there.

00:34:52.420 And so I think the government has tried to sort of revalorize the trades as legitimate, desirable professions that have real value and meaning and create more pathways for people, I think, beginning in high school to start that kind of vocational training and pursue careers in the trades.

00:35:10.380 So that's, I mean, that's a wonderful development as well.

00:35:13.760 Yeah. And then take the stigma away.

00:35:15.500 I mean, it's a good line of work.

00:35:17.480 You don't see a plumber driving an old beat up car.

00:35:20.000 they're doing all right for themselves and they're very secure and uh but you know there is a bit of

00:35:27.020 that attitude almost it's either you're going to be a doctor or you're going to be a janitor and

00:35:31.120 there's nothing in between and by the way there's absolutely nothing with earning a living as a

00:35:34.460 janitor either it's honest work yeah exactly you know this is another one of the um one of the

00:35:40.720 things that was the impetus for me to get involved with this initiative was the way that we talk

00:35:46.720 about education so often is in it's it's always about sort of preparing people for a job market

00:35:53.000 and that to me reflects a very sort of flat view of the purpose of education the idea that it's

00:36:01.800 intended to make people sort of narrowly useful so they can go to get and get a job and thrive

00:36:06.200 materially and that's important and a good school should obviously prepare people to be able to do

00:36:11.500 that. But that's not really what a good education is. I think a

00:36:18.460 lot of my educational philosophy can be summarized in a couple

00:36:20.880 of Confucian aphorisms. And one of them is, Confucius says,

00:36:24.700 Junzi Bouti, an educated person is not a tool. An education 0.53

00:36:28.580 isn't about making someone narrowly useful. It's not

00:36:31.480 utilitarian, it is an emancipatory undertaking. And a

00:36:35.440 liberal education is supposed to, as the name suggests, make

00:36:38.680 people free make them impart to them the virtues and the habits that are

00:36:43.360 befitting free citizens and as Seneca says really the only education that is

00:36:49.660 worthy of the name is one that imparts wisdom it is the pursuit of wisdom that's

00:36:54.400 what education is about and so that's sort of that's where we're going with

00:36:58.240 this as well as we will it's an academically rigorous program will

00:37:02.420 happily prepare people to compete in a modern job market and yet that's not

00:37:07.500 the that's not the sort of the main teleological orientation that's not the purpose

00:37:12.540 or the ultimate end the ultimate end is to help people figure out how to live meaningful lives

00:37:18.620 in whatever vocation that may be yeah well and taking in the information you know being able

00:37:24.140 to do that's great but it's processing it that's when you get the wisdom when you when you've come

00:37:27.660 to your own conclusions um so i i would hope and imagine that a school like this would be a little

00:37:32.940 little more immune to some of the unfortunate uh canceled culture that's going on i mean some of

00:37:37.580 the classics and things that are getting set aside i i think of a incident that happened with

00:37:42.300 to kill a mockingbird being shut out of classrooms and there was a beautiful tweet that somebody with

00:37:46.760 a an account that was called atticus finch and uh because it was there was an article with the

00:37:51.980 headline saying you know this is being pulled from classrooms because it makes people uncomfortable

00:37:55.760 and the atticus finch twitter account said that was the effing point and they're right you know

00:38:02.720 Well, yes, it is an uncomfortable story, but it's a fantastic one.

00:38:06.520 It's one that showed what actual institutionalized racism was

00:38:11.620 rather than what we're talking about and considering it today.

00:38:15.660 And it was stories like that that helped us get away from that sort of mindset.

00:38:19.940 We're actually pulling it now.

00:38:21.740 We're not letting people read that because we don't trust our students

00:38:24.440 to read that and interpret it correctly, apparently.

00:38:26.580 They're going to read it and take the side of the racists somehow.

00:38:29.960 I and it's wrong and it's going to harm kids yeah oh absolutely and you you see this as well that

00:38:37.880 there are a lot of schools that are trying to cancel the classics as well you know the that

00:38:44.520 Homer shouldn't be taught in schools and this kind of idea and in some cases they the justification

00:38:50.360 provided is that the western classics somehow support a system of white supremacy or something

00:38:57.080 As though it never occurred to them, as I said, that they should just expand the canon and

00:39:00.760 incorporate more great works from other cultures and traditions. It's a sort of repudiationist

00:39:07.880 philosophy. And that worries me because it basically, it's sort of, when you do that,

00:39:12.920 when you cut people off from being able to understand and converse with prior generations,

00:39:20.360 um well they become unable to link with those who came before them they lack a sense of appreciation

00:39:26.600 for how precious and how fragile the civilization that we've inherited is and how much went into

00:39:32.440 building this very free open pluralistic secure society um so that's that's part of why we want

00:39:40.360 to teach classics part of why we want to teach a sort of a rigorous and sequential history program

00:39:45.400 is so that people actually have an understanding of how we got to where we are, and so that they

00:39:51.480 are able to sort of break out of the very narrow and sometimes very parochial confines of the

00:39:56.360 present. You know, there's a phrase that is sort of uttered in a slightly different context, but

00:40:03.720 P.K. Chesterton talked about the degrading servitude of being a child of one's own time,

00:40:08.600 time of viewing everything through the lens of your own society and through the

00:40:14.000 values and prejudices of your own society and how humiliating it is when

00:40:20.000 you're sort of when you're confined in that way.

00:40:21.760 So by conversing with the classics, people are able to break out of that.

00:40:26.600 They're able to actually consider things from different perspectives, truly,

00:40:29.680 and inhabit different perspectives.

00:40:31.840 Well, yeah, we have to see how we evolved.

00:40:34.000 I was in Florida, I hadn't heard actually of a pushback against Homer.

00:40:37.720 And I mean, you know, to look at that for an example and so many levels where it applies is that you start something and you can look forward.

00:40:44.200 I mean, the Odyssey, you know, is one of the first actually classic books that I read that is enjoyable.

00:40:49.200 It's a fun read. It's a good novel.

00:40:51.220 Yeah, my five-year-old is really into the Cyclops.

00:40:54.380 Oh, yeah. There's a whole lot packed into there.

00:40:57.140 I mean, you can reread that as you get older and read more into it and realize what they're getting at.

00:41:02.440 And I mean, my daughter is in university taking theater right now.

00:41:05.180 Well, how many creative productions were really actually based on the Odyssey and an interpretation of it?

00:41:11.560 I mean, it's the foundation of so many things.

00:41:15.520 So why on earth would we rob kids of being able to read that and see this was one of the things that built Western modern society?

00:41:22.440 It was a pivotal book.

00:41:24.520 It's I think you probably you must have seen this, too.

00:41:29.100 In Alberta, the second grade curriculum as proposed includes a teaching of, it teaches about Genghis

00:41:36.620 Khan and the Mongol Empire and the great Eurasian trade and migratory routes, as well as about Rome.

00:41:43.500 And there was a huge amount of pushback from teachers and from the UOLs, from unions really,

00:41:50.300 and from some others saying, why are students learning about Rome? This isn't relevant. And

00:41:55.580 And I'm transitioning from Greece to Rome here with this example.

00:41:59.640 But if you want to be able to understand the references and the illusions contained in the last 2000 years of Western literature,

00:42:09.440 I mean, you're basically left sort of illiterate if you don't understand what those references are.

00:42:14.440 And you have to understand the history of Rome if you want to get that.

00:42:17.120 If you want to be able to walk through the Louvre and understand what's being depicted, you need to know this history.

00:42:22.040 And so these people who stress like relevance, again, it's a really, I think, impoverished view of what an education is, that they're viewing it solely in utilitarian terms.

00:42:33.720 You know, you don't need to know this if you want to work as an engineer.

00:42:37.560 Well, but you need to know it if you want to be a literate human being.

00:42:41.620 Well, and again, the applications you might not think of initially, but they come into play in other areas.

00:42:47.780 I mean, again, the Divine Trilogy, I mean, with where that applies to, again, so many modern things and interpretations of, you know, there should be a basis.

00:43:00.380 But if we're moving away from that, it's concerning.

00:43:02.940 And you've got to work your way up to that.

00:43:04.200 I mean, that one's a drudge.

00:43:05.700 You know, getting through the Odyssey was fun.

00:43:08.220 Reading Inferno was a difficult task, but it's a progression, as you said.

00:43:12.840 You know, you start and you move up through these things.

00:43:14.740 You've got to take things in order.

00:43:17.780 in a sense as well and we're moving away to say nothing of the fact i should i should add i guess

00:43:22.580 i recently wrote it wrote an essay where uh i talked quite a lot about um dante and the divine

00:43:27.540 comedy and i talked about the value particularly when you're going through trials and hardships in

00:43:35.380 life of being able to draw on these classic works that they provide an incredible sense of

00:43:42.820 of consolation and camaraderie in some of our darkest,

00:43:47.580 in the darkest times of our life.

00:43:49.320 This is why we learn poetry.

00:43:50.880 This is why we study the classics.

00:43:53.280 And I mean, like I weep to think about people

00:43:56.860 who are denied access to that

00:43:58.980 because someone in some education faculty

00:44:02.480 decided that this isn't relevant to their lives.

00:44:06.960 Yeah, we're outside of the relevance again,

00:44:09.160 just getting a bit back to the controversial,

00:44:11.260 And I'll use just kind of a more recent analogy.

00:44:13.000 You know, social media, Facebook, there's a page that somehow I happen to prong.

00:44:19.720 And it's a bunch of people celebrating the old Andy Capp cartoons.

00:44:22.400 I don't know if you remember those.

00:44:23.600 They used to be a comic strip in the newspapers.

00:44:26.480 It was English-based back in the 40s and 50s.

00:44:28.700 And I think it ran all the way into the 80s.

00:44:30.060 So when I was a kid reading newspapers, I'd read these Andy Capp things.

00:44:34.100 And in reading those, holy cow.

00:44:37.300 I mean, I used to chocolate those as a kid.

00:44:38.520 they are so grossly almost offensive politically incorrect I mean this is a

00:44:43.400 man who is a celebrated drunkard who literally is borrowing from his wife

00:44:47.580 chronically trying to find his way out of ever doing a job and they literally

00:44:51.180 would physically beat on each other he would chase her with a cricket bat in

00:44:54.120 these cartoons like and this was what was acceptable then but in reading that

00:44:59.700 and looking at those at least I could say to myself boy we've come a long way

00:45:03.300 in the last 50 or 60 years and I don't see anybody reading those and looking at

00:45:07.980 those and say, oh, well, this is acceptable. I can go after my wife with a cricket back or

00:45:11.920 that or force her to go to work so I can sit around in the pub. And yeah, he's a chronic

00:45:17.240 cheater. It's quite something. I was astounded. Like I used to laugh at this. It wasn't really 0.69

00:45:21.920 that bad. And apparently it was, but we can't ban these things because we don't know what we used

00:45:27.460 to do and how we improved and got away from them. I mean, I'm not saying we should encourage kids

00:45:31.720 in school to read Andy Kapp, but we just got to get away from the cancel culture that stops all

00:45:37.640 of these publications are different views on things.

00:45:41.120 Yeah. And that's why, too, this is, I think, one of the explicit commitments of this kind

00:45:45.860 of school is a commitment to open inquiry and truth seeking, that it's good civil conversation

00:45:54.100 has to be a really intrinsic part of this, the Socratic method being integrated into lessons

00:46:01.080 so that people actually do come to recognize that you can disagree with people and still

00:46:06.720 be friends and that you're allowed to make mistakes in the process of intellectual discovery

00:46:12.400 and it's not going to be the end of your life so this is this is an explicit commitment so and i

00:46:18.400 don't want to say it's necessarily a commitment to sort of free speech that's more the commitment to

00:46:23.600 free inquiry in the pursuit of truth and exercising that within the context of a community of friendship

00:46:30.080 um and camaraderie no it's very positive in in that route rather than adversarial all the time

00:46:38.200 and and uh it is ironic again and i think though adding some competition could actually

00:46:43.540 lose some of the adversarial i mean a proper competition you know sportsmen you can or sports

00:46:48.920 people you can get at it and just try to kill each other out in the field and then go have a beer

00:46:52.980 afterwards because it was just you know hey we don't hate each other because we competed we

00:46:56.840 we just differed. Going further with educational choice, I just want to voucher systems, pure

00:47:04.940 outright getting into something like that, where educational dollars will directly follow the

00:47:10.280 student and the parents have full guidance on that. Do you think that's a system that's worthwhile

00:47:13.880 and something we can move towards down the road? I've never seen a compelling argument against

00:47:21.260 them i mean they're certainly controversial because some people will say that um private

00:47:27.340 schools that are exclusive and only available to certain students will benefit disproportionately

00:47:34.140 from this chart i think private schools in alberta are currently funded at a rate of

00:47:37.580 i think it's about 60 per pupil of what they would get in the public system so um

00:47:45.580 so in that sense i think i i kind of understand that pushback but i don't find it a

00:47:50.700 particularly compelling argument I know what do you think well I think there's a

00:47:54.540 lot of politics of envy tied into that and I guess if a person really is of

00:47:59.920 the belief that everybody should just have a full equal opportunity to every

00:48:04.320 possible system if that means lowering the standards for everybody else in

00:48:07.620 order to do so then then that's worthwhile because like what are the

00:48:11.400 areas that it would be challenging I guess and frustrating is if you're

00:48:14.340 living in a rural area town of five thousand or so and you've got a child

00:48:18.300 that you see some real great specialized schools, but they're not going to set up in your town.

00:48:22.620 There's just not enough people for that specialty there. So your child misses out on that particular

00:48:27.020 opportunity. But that's a choice in choosing to live rural. I mean, you have fewer health

00:48:32.780 facilities there and fewer post-secondary and everything else. I mean, that just comes along

00:48:36.380 with those things. I mean, by the same token, I think a voucher school, maybe a small private

00:48:42.380 institution can set up that really does service rural demand and needs. That's where I'm sitting

00:48:49.100 on the vouchers. It's more of an envy thing. You feel that I can't handle it if that person's

00:48:53.340 getting something better than I am. So let's just drag everybody down to the same level.

00:48:57.180 Yes, I think that for some people can be a very strong motivating factor.

00:49:04.220 I mean, that ties into giving alternative health provision options as well. And I've had those

00:49:10.540 debates but it's that same mindset that stops it uh i had a discussion you know i've had many and

00:49:15.740 i fight with people politics it's what i do and it was an extended one with a very uh vocal person

00:49:23.260 fully against having any private provision of health and i laid it out i showed that look

00:49:28.700 how about i mean if i can show and demonstrate that everybody will get faster treatment if we

00:49:34.860 We can bring this option in.

00:49:37.960 Everybody will go through the line more quickly.

00:49:40.080 There will be universal coverage.

00:49:41.460 Nobody's paying out of pocket, but some people will be able to pay and jump the line.

00:49:45.880 You'll still get up there faster, but the other fella is going to get in there even faster than you, but they're paying out of pocket.

00:49:52.080 Would you support that?

00:49:53.280 And I'll give him points for being honest.

00:49:54.940 He said, no, I can't handle it.

00:49:56.000 No, absolutely not.

00:49:57.180 I would rather everybody else waited a longer time than accept that somebody could reach into

00:50:03.100 their wallet and get to the front of the line, but they're actually paying for you to get through

00:50:06.700 there faster too. Yeah. So this is one thing that I think a lot of people don't understand about

00:50:12.860 even existing provisions for independent schools, what some people call private schools in Alberta is

00:50:21.260 they say, well, everyone should belong to the public system. Well, that actually

00:50:23.980 us taxpayers more because taxpayers pay less for a student in an independent school than

00:50:29.020 they do in a public school and that person potentially gets access to an education that

00:50:34.220 will suit their needs better um but i you know i i do understand the kind of reflexive sense

00:50:39.180 that some people may feel that that's still somehow unfair um but uh yeah you know and

00:50:49.500 then in that sense maybe that actually is an argument for vouchers i'm sort of thinking

00:50:52.700 this through as we talk yeah yeah well and then you know i believe it's somewhat limited i mean

00:50:58.140 there's some truth to it what would happen is it surely some exclusive schools would set up and

00:51:03.820 and uh yeah a person pays takes their whatever it might be you know six thousand dollar voucher

00:51:08.380 to that school and uh then they have to pay another 20 000 on top of that exactly yeah uh

00:51:16.540 and that there that school is going to be able to afford to draw some very high caliber uh teachers

00:51:21.580 perhaps have more facilities that are you know of a higher degree in the level than other

00:51:27.260 institutions have yeah that'll happen but it kind of gets me back to that well get over it

00:51:34.460 it's that's a smaller realm i mean the majority of people aren't going to pull another 20 000

00:51:39.980 out of their pocket to join that they already are those schools the one i went to on vancouver

00:51:44.060 island i mean it was uh uh where did you go shanagan lake okay so yeah it was an old boys

00:51:50.620 school back then boarding school it was a very life-changing thing but you really got top of the

00:51:57.020 line uh teachers and instruction and attention in a facility like that no not everybody could

00:52:02.940 necessarily i would guess that none of your teachers had education degrees

00:52:07.980 i wouldn't know i never asked but i could guess that i mean most of them were from england and

00:52:13.100 most of them uh again were familiar areas such as you know with you with oxford and cambridge and

00:52:19.260 such. And yes, not everybody can necessarily go to a place like that. But I mean, nothing

00:52:27.680 is better. I think, you know, I think we're of similar mindsets of just that basic philosophy

00:52:31.440 of some degree of honest competition will make everything rise. If we've got these different

00:52:36.140 schools all around that are trying to draw in these students, they're seeing them as

00:52:38.980 an asset. They need those parents to choose their place. Then they need to find that specialty.

00:52:44.600 I remember talking to someone about this and I used that that same language I said I said that having the the options of charter and independent schools introduces more competition and he was a teacher and he responded viscerally to the idea of education as a marketplace you know to him this meant to your sort of commodifying children and commodifying education and and that's not the idea but the kind of the principle holds still to

00:53:14.480 some degree that if you have a monopoly where there are no real incentives to produce excellent

00:53:21.820 teachers to make sure that that they receive the kind of training they need to offer good programs

00:53:27.760 then it won't happen and this is one of the things that charters are intended to do is

00:53:32.160 they help create innovation within the system and they provide sort of guideposts for some of the

00:53:41.180 different ways that you can do things. And ideally, you come

00:53:45.140 out of this with measurable improved results that maybe

00:53:49.880 hopefully can then be adopted by the public system where they're

00:53:52.800 transferable. So it's kind of a, it's in that sense, it's, again,

00:53:59.020 I don't want to use the term experimental in terms of implying

00:54:01.560 that you're experimenting on with children with kids

00:54:03.660 education. But it's introducing innovation, innovation into the

00:54:07.020 system and being able to show these techniques, these

00:54:09.500 pedagogical approaches produce better results for,

00:54:14.000 and can produce better results for any child.

00:54:16.940 And that's part of the goal here as well.

00:54:19.280 Yeah. Well, and to be honest, you know, again, for, I guess,

00:54:21.860 it depends on the ambition and motivation of some individual teachers and so on,

00:54:25.520 but it would make a competitive market to draw teachers, which in a sense, I mean,

00:54:30.680 I can believe could make it for better for all of them. Again,

00:54:32.600 the union environment doesn't like that attitude,

00:54:34.540 but if you've got charter schools that are actually starting to pull out and draw

00:54:38.520 some of the more talented or specialized teachers and pulling them from the other

00:54:42.480 public schools. Well, then the public school should respond by saying, well,

00:54:45.720 what can we do to maintain you here? What can we do better to keep you in our

00:54:49.580 institution? Cause you're important to us.

00:54:52.320 That would make for a better teaching environment in general. I mean,

00:54:55.680 as far as the labor aspect goes,

00:54:57.280 there's nothing better for a worker than having a few options.

00:54:59.380 You got to be able to have that license to tell the boss, you know what,

00:55:02.140 if you, I'm going to work for the guy down the street,

00:55:03.620 that that's what raises compensation or workplace, you know,

00:55:07.500 comfort levels and things such as that and when you've got a standardized system

00:55:11.900 in in some senses it can make it worse because they they got nowhere else to go if they wanted

00:55:15.900 to leave somewhere exactly yeah yeah so i'll finish up with uh though uh some people have

00:55:22.460 been asking what with the the school that you're you know looking to get rolling and promoting

00:55:26.780 which location or have you got something in mind for that yet so the location is again we're still

00:55:31.740 in the early phase of the application process and the location isn't yet set most of the parents

00:55:36.620 who've expressed interest so far are in northwest or southwest Calgary, so those two quadrants of

00:55:41.420 the city, so that might have some bearing on the location. Most likely, the interim measure would

00:55:47.900 be, we would be looking for space within an existing or underutilized Catholic or public

00:55:53.500 school board building, but we'll be trying to figure that out in the next few months,

00:56:00.060 pending approval of this application. Yeah, well, the inner city, I mean,

00:56:03.580 that's been happening a lot a lot of people have been decrying it with with that's part of where

00:56:07.260 we might be wasting a lot of education dollars actually is funding these these very limited

00:56:12.700 used inner city schools because there's just not the the population demographic to fill them any

00:56:17.820 longer uh but of course uh people always go into hysterics whether it's from uh uh even just

00:56:25.100 sentiment because they went to that school when they were younger or you know just to being a

00:56:29.260 local person who is one of the few who wants their kid to go there they influence the local politicians

00:56:33.420 and they can't close these darn things or at least change the format of them and there's a lot of

00:56:37.820 opportunity for because they're smaller schools that can be utilized uh with so much free space 0.85

00:56:42.540 downtown these days too i think a lot of opportunity there for creative space yeah yeah i mean it could

00:56:48.780 be used you know there's a lot of transit options that bring people down there if they could just

00:56:52.700 clean up the the the addiction problem and people could perhaps send their kids to an educational

00:56:57.900 institution downtown as well um so so uh again what was the website with the so it's calgary

00:57:04.220 classical academy.ca and there's uh there's a form there where parents can sign up if they want to

00:57:10.220 join the interest list and uh and that's as i that's sort of to demonstrate that the proposal

00:57:15.100 is viable and that there is a constituency that that is interested in this kind of program for

00:57:19.340 their kids yeah you still have a number of steps to go but you're on that first step and i mean

00:57:23.580 mean it's great we're going into a I'm trying to look into this this horror

00:57:27.240 story as we come out of the pandemic is maybe it's an opportunity though we can

00:57:31.980 go it's let's embrace the creative let's look outside the box let's do new

00:57:36.660 things and things such as this is one of them right off the bat you know let's

00:57:40.320 that's that after World War one there was a boom through the 20s after World

00:57:43.860 War two there was a boom through the 50s maybe after this misery there's gonna

00:57:46.800 be something of a boom of creative spirit and changing some things for the

00:57:51.600 better. So I appreciate you coming on.

00:57:55.920 And it's always good to talk to you.

00:57:58.900 So maybe keep us up to date on how that's going for you and everything.

00:58:02.320 And you know, hopefully the approvals keep moving along.

00:58:05.220 Where can we find more information on what you're up to these days?

00:58:09.300 On what I'm up to personally.

00:58:17.280 You can follow me on Twitter at Kaelin Ford.

00:58:19.840 Okay. Great. Well, thanks for joining me. I really hope that gets off the ground. It sounds like a really exciting school that perhaps we could develop some young minds into some great philosophers and keep that whole chain going all the way down the road. So keep fighting the good fight and then pushing the good case.

00:58:40.000 Thank you, Corey.

00:58:41.080 All right, thanks.

00:58:41.920 I'll talk later.

00:58:47.240 So, yeah, that was a great chat.

00:58:49.680 And, yeah, let's see here.

00:58:50.980 What do we got?

00:58:51.620 The Albertan here said, yeah, it's class envy dressed up as being in the collective good.

00:58:55.900 And that's always what class envy is, isn't it?

00:59:00.260 Envy, you know, I mean, if we want to get back to philosophical thoughts and, you know, negative things and terrible things to take on.

00:59:09.360 Envy is the worst.

00:59:10.340 It's among them, you know, whether you're coveting somebody else's girlfriend or you're coveting their home or their job, you know, to admire and aspire to other things is fine.

00:59:23.440 You like that guy's car.

00:59:24.900 You want to earn a living and make the means to get that car.

00:59:29.280 Great.

00:59:29.680 Good for you.

00:59:30.380 You know, you want to work your way up the ladder to get to that job.

00:59:33.180 You want to buy that house.

00:59:34.100 You want to take that vacation.

00:59:35.580 But when it's envy, that's a little different.

00:59:37.880 That's bitterness.

00:59:38.440 That's not wanting to bring yourself up to their level.

00:59:42.260 That's wanting to pull them down to yours, you know?

00:59:46.080 And that's unfortunately the basis of the left.

00:59:49.720 I mean, they always talk about it rising everybody up,

00:59:51.740 but that's the reality is you pull everybody down.

00:59:54.800 And when we reduce these standards,

00:59:56.820 we put everybody into the same bin and force this gross philosophy

01:00:02.340 of an unnatural equality upon them.

01:00:06.200 that's an envy based thing even if you're saying it's in good merit so when you've got yeah a

01:00:12.020 rigid system a educational system a health system that has to make sure everybody's stuffed into

01:00:17.380 the same tin can even if it's miserable because you just want to make sure you're miserable

01:00:21.660 together that's the politics of envy and unfortunately that's the basis of the left

01:00:26.560 it really is it's funny they talk about capitalists being focused on money nobody's more focused on

01:00:31.560 money than a leftist reaching out saying give me your money a capitalist wants to go out and earn

01:00:36.080 the money. They're saying, what product or service can I give to you to get some of your money?

01:00:41.200 A socialist says, I want the state to take your money and give it to me for whatever reason.

01:00:47.360 You know, we see that, I mean, we can go farther down the line with universal basic income

01:00:51.180 plans. And this is this idea that people won't sit on it and do nothing with it. There's a Globe

01:00:59.260 and Mail article, and I can't remember the guy's name, and I've called him out on it a couple

01:01:02.300 times. Again, I should give it the points for his honesty. He went on about saying he's a career

01:01:08.180 student. He's a guy like way up in his 30s. He's got all sorts of letters next to his name, but he

01:01:12.400 doesn't want to work. He says, I want to be a full-time poet. I want a universal basic income.

01:01:18.700 In fact, I'm entitled to a universal basic income so I can sit at home and write poetry.

01:01:25.640 There's nothing stopping you from writing poetry. Get out and sell it though. Write songs,

01:01:29.300 write books, do something. If your poetry is so crappy that there's not a market for it, 0.60

01:01:34.100 it's too damn bad. Or it's a hobby. Read it in coffee shops, do your side thing. I should not 0.98

01:01:39.520 be obligated to work and pay a portion of my bills for you to make a living sitting around

01:01:44.720 writing poetry. But that again gets to that mindset, that entitlement. And everybody's got

01:01:51.960 to be the same. Well, no, we don't. Frank Zappa gave some great advice. I'm a big Zappa fan. If

01:01:58.860 If people wonder about some of my tasteless thoughts and humor, I get a lot of inspiration

01:02:02.200 from Frank.

01:02:03.560 He passed way too early.

01:02:05.420 But one of his things, and I'm probably slaughtering it and paraphrasing, but he was asked in an

01:02:08.680 interview what he would offer as advice for a young musician.

01:02:11.180 And I think he said something like, you know, go out and get a job as a plumber or a whole

01:02:14.820 number of other things.

01:02:15.520 You need to get your basic income because you're not going to get right into making

01:02:19.000 a living as a musician.

01:02:20.940 You know, you might be one of the few who breaks out, but in reality, you got to have

01:02:25.180 a passion for the music.

01:02:26.380 It's not going to pay your bills initially.

01:02:28.040 and might never pay your bills. So get a solid line to work first, then you can do those side

01:02:33.020 things. But we're getting this me, me, me attitude from a lot of people saying, well, I want to be a

01:02:37.460 musician. So the world's got to pay for me to be one. Well, no, too damn bad. I want to be a poet.

01:02:42.260 You know, I want to be a world traveler. I want to be a career student. At some point, you got to

01:02:47.240 work or you got to produce something that enough people want to pay voluntarily for what you're

01:02:54.640 doing. Either way, it's a bit of a digression, you know, but it comes down to those attitudes,

01:02:59.580 the issues we've got in our educational system. I really appreciate it. It's great to see Kaelin

01:03:05.240 out there pushing, you know, this charter school. It sounds like a very interesting one. It sounds

01:03:09.960 very specialized. Obviously, there's only certain students who are going to, you know, be interested

01:03:14.860 in and who'll be able to embrace and blossom with that specific curriculum. But isn't it a great one?

01:03:21.040 You know, and same sort of thing. Why don't we have so many others of these charter schools? What if some student is clearly very much into carpentry, plumbing, the trades, or into mathematics? You know, you do see that in kids. A lot of it starts coming out early or art and things like that. But let's get those specialized schools then. Let's get them the best teachers for what their thing is.

01:03:45.240 or some kids who learn differently.

01:03:46.980 Some kids have a hard, hard time learning how to read,

01:03:49.900 but if they get the right teacher

01:03:51.300 and a separate type of teaching, they can pick it up.

01:03:54.480 Same with mathematics,

01:03:55.940 but you stuff them all into the same classroom

01:03:58.240 and they can't pick it up

01:04:01.020 with the rest of the other students.

01:04:02.280 And you can't pull the rest of the other students down

01:04:04.240 for the other kid who has different and special needs.

01:04:07.080 But we can't get that educational diversity

01:04:09.620 because as I said,

01:04:10.760 that there's that cognitive dissonance

01:04:13.320 with the teacher's unions

01:04:14.720 where they keep screaming that every kid's different,

01:04:16.860 we can't do standardized testing,

01:04:18.560 you know, as I started the whole thing.

01:04:19.880 And I agree, they are.

01:04:21.680 But then as soon as you start giving educational options,

01:04:23.940 they flip their lid and say, no, you can't do that.

01:04:25.880 Well, come on, guys, make up your mind.

01:04:28.140 You're half right.

01:04:29.640 I think it starts, that's that Alberta thing,

01:04:31.760 I think, where you've got half of a teacher's association,

01:04:34.300 you've got half a teacher's union,

01:04:35.340 and they're mashed into one organization.

01:04:37.520 The teacher's association focused on saying,

01:04:39.880 they always say it's for the students,

01:04:41.060 but let's not kid ourselves.

01:04:42.480 The union's there for the teachers and nobody else.

01:04:44.280 That's fine. That's what a union's for. The association points out that these kids all need different types of learning and more creative ways to do it. But the union says, but we have to keep it all under this standardized thing. You need to separate those institutions. You need to. We have to. We're losing.

01:05:01.820 Yeah. So I want to get on a little bit more. We haven't talked too much about the pandemic. It's a nice break. But I want to be nice to Kenny for a change. We've been beating on him and so on. He's getting it from all directions as usual.

01:05:17.940 A lot of us think there never should have been a lockdown or it should have been less

01:05:21.120 or he should have opened last week.

01:05:22.240 And that's all valid.

01:05:23.360 It's all fair enough.

01:05:24.100 But we've got to take to some degree what we can get.

01:05:27.660 And he's got a plan.

01:05:28.980 He's got it going.

01:05:30.000 We've got a path.

01:05:31.100 And we could be back to normal in a month and change.

01:05:33.800 And I'm happy about that.

01:05:35.320 I want to see it.

01:05:36.520 And we've got to keep speaking up and pushing for that. 0.99

01:05:38.920 Because the usual clowns, the usual arseholes are out there. 1.00

01:05:43.400 Not least going crazy. 1.00

01:05:44.460 It's irresponsible.

01:05:45.120 People are going to die.

01:05:45.960 No, they aren't. And, you know, Kenny rightly points out, Texas opened right up. They only had 14% of their population had their first shot. This was months ago. And the same voices sounded just like Notley and every other bloody socialist from Stephen King to Gavin Newsom, yowling on how irresponsible Texas was and how everybody's going to die. It didn't happen. And it won't here. But you got to push back.

01:06:13.120 Kenny only gets nothing but that push from Notley, that push from Unions, that push from Nenshi.

01:06:19.300 We have to push him the other way. 0.99

01:06:20.880 And reasonably, not running into stores without a mask and getting your ass arrested. 0.99

01:06:25.060 Not screaming up and down the streets. 0.97

01:06:27.920 Just saying, yes, we want to open.

01:06:29.500 This is a godsend to businesses.

01:06:31.720 They've been hanging by a thread, the few that are left.

01:06:35.420 So this is good news.

01:06:37.880 These restaurants can open their patios next week, hopefully fairly soon get full service.

01:06:41.940 they're barely hanging in there. The hotels, there's going to be some, at least some carnies

01:06:46.760 will get to work and some kids will get their summer job with whatever that scale down stampede

01:06:50.360 is. So let's celebrate it and be happy about that. It is a good thing. And again, people thinking

01:06:55.540 it's not fast enough. Well, it's, and I'm not, you know, I don't like going to that argue of saying

01:07:00.900 she would be worse, but there's the truth of it. It would be a hell of a lot worse if Ninchy or

01:07:06.240 Notley were in charge of things. So Kenny's taking the chance. I don't, I don't think it's

01:07:11.100 that big a chance. It's going to be fine. But they're framing it as that. And look at the

01:07:14.840 media. You know, there's the other thing to get back to that mainstream media. I listened to the

01:07:19.420 global reports. And what do they do? They go to every doctor they could find who say it's

01:07:24.480 irresponsible. They go to every person on the street who says this is irresponsible and scary

01:07:29.560 and it's going to hurt things. You know, they just keep the fear going. And they don't go out

01:07:34.460 to interview a business who's saying, oh, thank heavens, I can finally reopen. I was about to go

01:07:40.220 bankrupt. They don't go to the single parent who's saying, oh, I can finally get back to work

01:07:44.940 because living on this, this CERB, you know, version or whatever it is these days is not

01:07:49.860 cutting it for me. I can get back full time and do my job again and pay my bills. They don't talk

01:07:55.940 to any of these. They talk to every negative clown out there. Yeah, I'm sick of the mainstream media. 0.99

01:08:03.260 look at the crap they feed us can't you give us both sides is it that hard you know so what have 0.97

01:08:10.800 we got i got a long question here so you know i'm on a side rant there but why not uh dave beale 0.94

01:08:16.600 you know so these ones i i can't pull them up on the screen because they're a little long so you

01:08:19.440 see how does the military feel about trudeau o'toole kenny ford exactly cooperating with those

01:08:24.980 who clearly cooperated with China. Again, it's just too much. Agenda 2030, it reads like they're

01:08:33.760 in control. Okay, so we'll get on to some things there. Agenda 20, it was 2021, let's move on to

01:08:40.140 2020. I swear the UN names these things to make them sound conspiratorial, just to undercut people

01:08:46.880 when they do criticize it later. There is a lot of truth to it. These things were, it was agenda 21

01:08:54.440 initially uh they really are un documents look them up they're there and they have some very

01:09:00.120 ambitious goals for for government control socialism individual control they're there it's

01:09:05.560 not a conspiracy have a look the only question is how much local politicians are actually influenced

01:09:11.400 by it or taking any of it seriously common sense ones tells the u.n to stick it up their butts

01:09:15.880 unfortunately we have a great void of common sense leadership in politics these days that's

01:09:21.400 goes without saying but uh you know so when you look at some of the patterns of wearing ahead

01:09:26.920 and then she goes with some of his stuff read into it when people say it's right in 20 you know

01:09:31.240 agenda 21 oh it sounds crazy look at it look at it actually read imagine calgary you want to read

01:09:37.320 something really bizarre i broke that whole crazy document down uh and i wrote a number of articles

01:09:42.840 on it a few years ago it's weird and that ninchy said that's what he plans his his politics on he

01:09:49.560 He said that's what his city planning was based on.

01:09:51.740 Like, you've got to read that stuff.

01:09:53.640 It looks like somebody dropped a hit of acid before they wrote it.

01:09:57.060 And the city spent millions on that thing.

01:09:59.760 And it reads, well, what it does read is Agenda 21 of the UN.

01:10:04.320 I'm not talking about a conspiracy.

01:10:06.320 This is what the UN wants to do.

01:10:08.600 We got the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People.

01:10:12.560 That's getting shoved in there.

01:10:13.740 I believe it's Bill C-10 or C-15.

01:10:16.200 Somebody might correct me.

01:10:16.900 No, C-10 is the censorship bill.

01:10:18.360 I think C-15 is the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

01:10:23.700 It's brutal.

01:10:24.780 You think we're having a hard time getting anything done in Canada right now with the environment, you know, as far as infrastructure, getting through any indigenous lands or traditional lands?

01:10:34.840 You know, the definition just keeps spreading out.

01:10:36.860 When we entrenched the principles of that UN document, we're screwed.

01:10:41.400 And there was a native leader who spoke to it, and he said the best words, and unfortunately, I don't have his name on the top of my head here.

01:10:47.880 But he said, what that plan will give First Nations, this is a First Nations leader who was saying it was far bigger capability to cancel all sorts of stuff, but practically no ability to approve anything.

01:11:02.440 And that's where we're going.

01:11:03.820 So, you know, it's funny because I do decry some conspiracy theorists.

01:11:07.780 I go on about them because there's some crazy conspiracies out there.

01:11:10.460 Some of them are out to lunch.

01:11:11.480 We just got to face it.

01:11:12.600 But there's some other stuff that gets dismissed as conspiracy theories and it's real. 0.99

01:11:15.840 And that crap coming out of the UN is real. It's there for all to read. It's not some bizarre offshoot website with some theorist. It's not some guy in a Nevada desert typing stuff up. It's right there on the UN sites. Have a look. It's real. 0.98

01:11:30.800 and uh yeah we've got a lot of concerns with things you know about control and government

01:11:36.880 attitudes and and it's worthy of reading and seeing what does motivate some of our politicians

01:11:41.260 whether from Trudeau to Nenshi I I don't think uh Kenny is so sold on those things he's got his

01:11:46.820 challenges and issues but uh then again I mean Kenny's got a complete abject terror of standing

01:11:52.600 up to Ottawa on things you know there was the big thing with that nation motion in Quebec talking

01:11:57.660 about um you know declaring themselves a nation and then putting it forth in the constitution

01:12:02.940 O'Toole so yeah yeah that's fine you know because he'll do it is clear O'Toole will say or do

01:12:07.980 anything if he thinks he'll get him votes it's not working Trudeau said yeah Quebec can go ahead and

01:12:12.300 do that Kenny said oh well Alberta can too and you know we should be under those rights okay

01:12:18.060 well do it what are you waiting for why don't you do something Kenny let's let's do it let's

01:12:24.300 Let's make Alberta a nation.

01:12:25.740 Let's declare the language here as English 0.94

01:12:27.400 or do some of those things that Quebec's doing.

01:12:29.720 Why can't we do that?

01:12:31.620 Why can't we have our own distinct society?

01:12:34.740 Talk is cheap, Kenny, and you keep talking.

01:12:38.680 So I'm celebrating the reopening, 0.99

01:12:40.020 but yeah, I'm going to give you crap on this. 0.95

01:12:43.420 You know, get out there. 0.97

01:12:44.800 Utilize the same provincial tools that Quebec is.

01:12:47.060 You said they have the tools.

01:12:48.220 You said you admire that they reutilize them.

01:12:50.900 Well, then do it.

01:12:52.580 What are you waiting for?

01:12:54.300 um so uh here we go uh somebody's saying uh cory enjoy the show well thanks okay you know i

01:13:04.400 appreciate that i really do actually uh but do i know anything about uh brad field got his card

01:13:09.420 in the mail so yeah i i did um somewhat familiar with him he's coming from a conservative side of

01:13:16.140 things to a degree he doesn't have a political history that i know of he's a calgarian businessman

01:13:21.360 um his policies uh the last time i looked were sort of shallow on specifics but kind of on the

01:13:28.600 broad principles of smaller government and things like that he clearly has a a sizable budget uh

01:13:34.440 because if yeah we're seeing these general mailers and seeing uh billboards and things going out

01:13:38.460 there um if i can get them on i will get them on and talk with them uh but uh to be honest i don't

01:13:45.380 know a heck of a lot about the guy but i would consider him one of the contenders you know we've

01:13:49.000 got what 15 people running for mayor now or 16 or something it'd probably be 20 by the time it

01:13:53.700 gets there when a mayor steps aside a lot of people throw their hat in the ring but realistically we

01:13:57.380 know there's only going to be maybe four five of them who have kind of a realistic shot at it and

01:14:03.560 the rest are just kind of out there to get individual messages out there it's a platform

01:14:07.220 and you know good on them that's what they can do uh but brad field i i think he's one of the

01:14:12.560 those higher contenders anyways he's significant among the field i don't know a lot about him

01:14:17.940 uh if people want you know i try reaching out i did speak to somebody who'd been involved in

01:14:23.200 his team and passed along that i like him on the show but i never got a response after that so

01:14:27.200 uh if i get him and as we get closer to the municipal election i'm certainly going to be

01:14:31.260 covering it more and talking to more of them as they come on i have of course had uh jeremy

01:14:36.380 farkas on you know i've always liked jeremy and known for quite some time and he's been

01:14:40.360 very vocal and and advocating for for reform in city hall uh i don't expect to ever get jody

01:14:47.220 Gondek on. I mean, it was on my blog where we broke it early that Stephen Carter was going to

01:14:52.260 be your campaign manager and that she was indeed running for mayor. And that's fine because I'll

01:14:57.540 be outspoken. I mean, I am a columnist. I'm editorial. I do not support Jody Gondek. She's

01:15:04.800 just niche all over again. Just a new version of it. Rejuvenated. You want 10 more years of that

01:15:09.980 crap, put Jody Gondek in there. Otherwise, there's some other interesting contenders, 0.99

01:15:13.860 But one that I'll rule out right off the bat is Jody Gondek.

01:15:18.000 And, you know, Davison, he's another one of the counselors who's thrown his hat into the ring on that.

01:15:24.940 He's just kind of a little bluer version of that.

01:15:28.200 But I don't see much more difference, you know, just all more of the same flavor coming out trying to get that top chair.

01:15:35.060 So, yeah, we'll see what happens there.

01:15:38.180 Now, Albert, I'll get back to my rant with Kenny because he's not here for Alberta.

01:15:42.680 He's here for Canada.

01:15:43.860 Yeah, to a degree. I mean, Kenny's never pretended not to be a federalist, but

01:15:48.500 the thing is, he's not utilizing the tools though to even keep Alberta stronger within Canada.

01:15:57.140 You know, this bait and switch and it's tiresome and we're sick of it. What was with the fair deal

01:16:03.000 panel? It's been years now. Come on, man. Implement at least one of the recommendations.

01:16:08.160 Get it rolling, not striking more bloody commissions, more committees, more hearings, more informational, you know, studies.

01:16:18.020 Do something.

01:16:19.220 Give us a provincial pension plan.

01:16:20.600 Quebec's got one.

01:16:21.320 Come on.

01:16:22.160 Pull the pin here.

01:16:22.880 Let's do something.

01:16:23.880 Provincial police force.

01:16:24.820 Let's do it.

01:16:26.860 Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk.

01:16:28.780 Wonder why Paul Hinman's coming up your flank, Premier Kenny?

01:16:31.700 Because all you do is talk and it's going to cost you.

01:16:35.620 So enough, you know.

01:16:37.000 get on with those things. And those don't mean taking on secessionism. I mean, you can frame it

01:16:42.680 of the way. I believe Canada is broken. I believe eventually one of these Western provinces has to

01:16:47.160 vote and get out, but we need to get ourselves into a position and a condition in order to do

01:16:51.780 so first. And a lot of these things, steps within the fair deal panel, for example, are the ways to

01:16:55.700 do it over time. But some other people can look at it the same way of taking on some of these

01:17:01.280 things is the way to avoid secession. It's the way to make provinces comfortable within Canada

01:17:05.560 because they can exercise their own autonomy within the nation and still be comfortable

01:17:10.660 within it. But by doing nothing, the tensions are only going to get stronger and the support

01:17:15.220 for outright independence, which maybe it's not such a bad thing, but it's only going to get

01:17:19.200 stronger. So I don't know with Kenny. If it's for Canada first, I don't think it's paying off for

01:17:24.700 Canada in the long run because our regional divides are only getting stronger. And Doug

01:17:32.120 Coates saying, Kenny's not going forward the way Quebec is because he wants to be PM one day.

01:17:36.880 And if Alberta has that many rights, they'll be impossible for him to control. So that's

01:17:40.140 interesting. Yeah. Because nobody hates provincial rights more than a prime minister, because when

01:17:43.060 you've got crotchety premiers, it's difficult to deal with them when they've got autonomy to deal

01:17:48.760 with. And unless it's Quebec and they'll just do anything and everything they say. I don't know if

01:17:53.300 he's really got that. I mean, Kenny's got ambition, but he's no fool. I mean, he's got his hands full

01:17:59.280 just trying to get a second term as premier at this point. In Canada's history, we've never had

01:18:04.620 anybody go from premier to prime minister. It's never happened yet. It's not to say it can't

01:18:08.680 happen, but that's not the best path to go with it. I think if Kenny had wanted to go for the PM's

01:18:14.600 chair, he would have been better served and strategically, well, he hasn't been that great

01:18:18.400 lately, but he tends to be pretty smart in looking ahead. He would have been wiser even just to put

01:18:22.940 in another term in opposition as a member of parliament and start getting his things in stage

01:18:26.880 to run for the leadership federally whilst within that party rather than coming from outside as a

01:18:31.620 premier later. But who knows that that might be his goal. But I really think he's kind of the

01:18:37.860 bus is taken off on him on that one. If that was his goal at this point, it's just trying to go

01:18:42.840 down in history as a premier who can manage to win a second term, which we haven't had in a long

01:18:47.740 time in Alberta. They haven't been doing well. Stelmac, Redford, Prentice, Notley, they're all

01:18:53.400 getting wiped out in their first terms. And then Kenny is not looking like he's going to buck that

01:18:58.360 trend if he keeps going down the path that he is. You know, the Albertan Singh, the purpose of the

01:19:04.660 Fair Deal panel was to pacify separatist sentiment. Kenny would again offend his CPC

01:19:10.460 base. Yeah, it could be true. I do believe it was there to pacify the regionalism. If he's not going

01:19:18.940 forward with it then yeah it was just kicking the can down the road uh you know the the the if you're 0.99

01:19:25.580 not going to actually implement it it's nothing it's fluff it's crap it's wasting our time 0.89

01:19:29.100 and it's not pacifying us you know i mean that's part of it i was talking to uh jeff the other day 0.67

01:19:34.680 uh calloway and then and and he's he's right you know in that perhaps kenny's just been in ottawa

01:19:40.500 too long i mean that's a city that's a government where they just feel that you just deal with

01:19:45.300 everything with committees and commissions you never actually really do anything and that

01:19:48.360 that does kind of fit with things, but that doesn't work out here. We don't want more

01:19:53.320 commissions. We don't want to talk more. We want to see some substantial action and he hasn't done

01:19:59.740 any. And again, the Wildrose party is getting the benefits of that. Something they have done. I'm

01:20:06.900 going to, I'm going to go on to some, you know, a conversation I want to have is, is the opioid

01:20:11.720 epidemic. And this has been hitting the news. So there was, there was some terrible overdoses up

01:20:15.340 in Edmonton in a park uh near an area where there was a safe consumption site you know and there's

01:20:21.560 discussions come up and the gross sick politics being played because now yes after much study

01:20:27.780 they're talking about shutting down the safe consumption site down the Sheldon Chumer Center 0.99

01:20:31.600 and there's literally the same old jerks come oh there's gonna be blood on Kenny's hands he's 1.00

01:20:35.600 gonna kill people people are gonna die okay you know and then they forget that they're also 1.00

01:20:42.080 talking about opening two more safe consumption sites to make up for it okay he's looking to close

01:20:47.360 that one the safe consumption sites as far as i'm concerned are an experiment and for the most part

01:20:53.680 they've been failing okay they're not working as they were supposed to and like so many things

01:20:59.680 there hasn't been a cost benefit analysis done with the placement of these things so i i am

01:21:06.400 sensitive to the opioid epidemic. We've got to deal with this. This is a big problem. This is

01:21:13.640 a bigger problem than the bloody COVID-19 and we aren't hearing enough about it. The overdoses are

01:21:18.960 going crazy. The rates of addictions are through the roof. I've gone on about it a number of times

01:21:25.160 going downtown. You see it down there. The term I use is constantly is dystopian. I was in the

01:21:30.580 offices late last night. I didn't get out on 7th Avenue until nine o'clock and the train platform

01:21:35.340 reminded me. I mean, on 7th Avenue, it was just loaded with all of these junkies collected

01:21:41.100 together. No normal person is going to join that group to ride on a train or wait for a train. It

01:21:47.960 was scary. This is what it's come to, and we need to address it. And I don't want to lay it all on

01:21:55.100 these addicts. These are troubled people, and they're human beings. These are somebody's

01:22:01.580 daughters and sons, uncles and nephews. People fall into that trap of addiction for a number

01:22:07.300 of reasons. They aren't always coming from an environment you would anticipate, not necessarily

01:22:11.480 from a broken household or a native reserve or anything. They can be anybody. People, anybody

01:22:16.500 can get into that mess. And it's really damn hard to get out. And again, a little area I'll give

01:22:22.840 Kenny credit for, they've put money into getting more treatment beds. Myself, I'm a recovering

01:22:29.380 alcoholic. I spent a lot of time in church basements drinking crappy coffee all through

01:22:35.520 the states when I was working down there and up in Canada. It gave me a social network. One of the

01:22:39.200 things you do learn as an addict of any kind is very few of them can stop by themselves. They need

01:22:46.400 help. They need help. They can't just quit. It's not as simple as that. You've got to learn to

01:22:54.040 live with whatever that substance or activity was that you were filling a void with. It takes

01:23:00.200 a lot of therapy. It takes a lot of time and it takes a lot of money. Addictions treatment is

01:23:06.380 expensive. Detox is expensive. And Kenny's moved into those beds. Now, I'm not fully against safe

01:23:13.840 consumption centers. The thing is you got to keep them alive long enough to get them in to save

01:23:17.740 them. There's absolute truth to that. If they're dead, there's nothing else we can do. That's the

01:23:21.960 final stage. But those alone, if you don't couple it with treatment, you're just prolonging the

01:23:30.320 inevitable. You know, that was one of the lines from AA that was constant. If you keep on the

01:23:34.200 path you're going, you're either going to be dead or in jail. And it's true. And we're seeing it

01:23:38.280 with these addicts. And to say that those ones who died in the park or died because of the local

01:23:43.580 safe injection site being close, come on, spare me. You know, seeing it, we put that out, we put

01:23:48.920 that video out here with a guy consuming meth right on an LRT. You know, I saw syringes in

01:23:57.020 LRT stations I post pictures of. We have had the safe injection centers. It doesn't mean the addict

01:24:01.940 is going to go to it. Some of them are, and that leads to some of the other problems too. Because

01:24:07.280 yes, when you've got them collected around there, now you've got the social hub for the addicted

01:24:13.040 people, and they need that. They need lives too. Well, the dealers follow them. Now you've got

01:24:17.840 dealers in a neighborhood and the addicts need money to buy the drugs. So what happens? Crime

01:24:25.660 shoots through the roof in the neighborhood. And if they're hanging around the safe consumption

01:24:29.580 center where they are in that residential area, yes, that means that every bicycle and barbecue

01:24:33.860 and loose change and anything they can get at, they're taking it. They're desperate. They're

01:24:37.140 addicted. They will take anything. They'll steal the gold from your teeth to get their next fix.

01:24:41.540 for those fortunate enough never to have felt serious withdrawal systems syndromes symptoms

01:24:48.680 good you know you aren't missing anything it's bloody tough and i have never gotten to that

01:24:54.960 point of things like those opioids and meth i can't imagine liquor was bad enough and cigarettes

01:24:59.460 so we got to get these people treated and quit pointing fingers and blaming and throwing that

01:25:04.580 bullshit of saying go okay he's gonna have blood on his hands you know the lethbridge center was 0.99

01:25:09.040 corrupt. And that was an injection site, safe consumption. We've got to look at the whole 1.00

01:25:14.600 picture. And these consumption sites, they put way too much stock into them. There's a whole

01:25:21.060 degree, again, of leftist naivety that comes into it. You know, I listen to other crap where they 0.99

01:25:27.320 talk about what these people, what they need is more housing. Ninchies love that. We just need 1.00

01:25:30.200 more housing. Get them off the streets. They need more housing. Do you think that guy's shambling 1.00

01:25:33.620 down the streets with crap running down his leg talking at birds in the air just needs an apartment 0.98

01:25:41.060 this is a person in extreme trouble they need treatment they need a lot i mean whether it's 0.99

01:25:46.500 mental health or addiction and those are both tightly tied together the problem is most people

01:25:50.740 who ended up addicted actually needed mental health treatment and they self-medicated with

01:25:56.740 whatever might be at hand so let's look bigger so don't talk about having more houses and people are

01:26:02.100 are dying in the streets because kenny didn't pay for enough affordable housing it's not that

01:26:06.420 and don't say these people are dying of overdoses because there weren't enough safe consumption

01:26:09.620 centers around it's not that we have those things and the overdoses are going up a lot they've

01:26:15.140 doubled in just a year and a half some of that's related to the lockdowns but it's a big growing 0.98

01:26:22.260 problem quit pointing crap ass fingers of blame on your partisan basis out of your loathing of kenny 0.98

01:26:28.340 and let's look at real solutions here. 0.99

01:26:30.700 He's been the first premier in a while

01:26:31.980 to talk about adding thousands of treatment beds,

01:26:34.620 which is what we need. 0.98

01:26:36.140 These guys and women need treatment.

01:26:39.220 I mean, for people in Calgary,

01:26:40.400 if you see those addicts walking up and down,

01:26:43.480 what do they call them? 0.58

01:26:43.940 Curb crawlers, you know, 1.00

01:26:44.880 they're panhandling when you're waiting at a long light. 0.99

01:26:46.900 The one over by Chinook Center.

01:26:48.120 You want to do a people watching endeavor.

01:26:50.580 You know, go out there and watch

01:26:54.460 and you look behind the Home Depot.

01:26:56.300 that's kind of the main gathering area for them over by the chinook lrt station these guys

01:27:01.400 practically do it in shifts they will walk up and down that curb and panhandle from cars

01:27:05.280 until they've got enough money the dealer is waiting behind the poem depot they leave the 0.90

01:27:09.080 curb another one comes out fills the spot that one goes out and gets their crap and i don't know

01:27:14.500 how many times i've seen you know it's come out like in my when i get extra time and so on i drive 0.94

01:27:19.200 uber just digressing for a moment this is what i like doing it's relaxing i talk to people i make

01:27:23.400 a few extra bucks. The flexibility is great. Not making millions, but it's good. But it also gives

01:27:27.780 me an opportunity to really get out in the city streets. And I work night shifts, I work day shifts,

01:27:31.140 I get out there. The amount of times of that Chinook Center overpass that I've seen the fire

01:27:37.240 trucks and the ambulances there for the overdoses, I can't count how many. Because that's what

01:27:41.340 happens. They get off that curb, they go behind the Home Depot, they buy their junk, they consume

01:27:46.240 it often to get into a warmer spot on those steps with that little overpass and they die. Or if

01:27:52.860 somebody gets there fast enough they can be revived so they can panhandle some more and take

01:27:58.000 some more drugs until they die. It's real and it's not in safe consumption centers. Remember

01:28:04.360 they're down by Chinook. Like you can't force these addicts to always just go to that spot.

01:28:10.060 That provides a little bit of a hub for some of them but it's not nearly anything close to a

01:28:13.560 solution. I've taken actually carrying a naloxone kit in my car because I see so many incidents.

01:28:18.720 I haven't used it yet. Maybe I'll be in the right place at the right time. Maybe for some poor addict

01:28:23.680 who's overdosed, it would be if I could be there at the right time and bring them out of it, it'll

01:28:28.860 be their final straw and they go into treatment. I don't know. I don't want to dismiss the lives

01:28:32.540 of these addicts. I really want them saved. It's better for all of us. It's better if they get

01:28:36.400 recovered and get functional, get into the working world, but it's going to take investment, time,

01:28:41.860 money, treatment, not just bloody safe injection sites. It's turned into a almost religious thing

01:28:49.740 with these safe consumption sites. And they talk about how many lives they've saved. Really?

01:28:55.140 You know, because you've seen so many overdoses that you managed to be on hand to give the

01:28:59.460 naloxone on the spot. Yeah, it's true. But then chances are they wander off and unfortunately

01:29:07.500 they overdose somewhere else later because they're still an addict. You've just held it off.

01:29:13.880 And I'm not saying there's no place for these sites. It's just that we've got to examine them.

01:29:17.820 We've got to examine them critically. And it's not being cruel. It's not trying to kill people.

01:29:22.840 It's not being, you know, nasty and vicious to say sometimes that these might not be working,

01:29:29.520 or at least not in the locations they are or not in the way they are. This is one of those areas

01:29:33.380 where we really, and I'm a partisan guy, you know, I'm not a member of a party anymore,

01:29:36.480 but i take sides and things and i'm certainly can be nasty on it this is should not be a partisan

01:29:40.720 issue guess what you know add addiction homelessness it affects mental health issues

01:29:45.520 everybody left right and center we all get hit by it some family member somewhere you yourself might

01:29:50.720 be kenny has been taking a good approach on this let's give him credit where it's due don't let 0.97

01:29:56.800 these crazy jackasses talk about him theoretically killing people because he's re-examining

01:30:01.440 the safe consumption sites and he's looking more towards a treatment-based model. We need to treat 0.99

01:30:08.080 these guys. It's for all of us. And then once we get to the Albert Einstein, Ward 1 candidate,

01:30:14.140 Jacob McGregor has been raising the problem with mental health. Yeah, he would be an interesting

01:30:17.720 fellow to talk to. He's a young guy. I've seen him out campaigning. Thank you. I'm going to reach

01:30:22.660 out to him actually. And Ward 1, I believe that's Ward Sutherland's ward. That's an area that

01:30:31.420 really needs a new counselor. Ward Sutherland is just vile. You know, it's just mistakes that get

01:30:39.100 made. City council needs a heavy duty flush and you can't flush half a toilet and get benefit.

01:30:45.020 You need to flush practically all of them. Aside from Sean Chu, I can't see many counselors I want

01:30:50.760 to see in there for another term right now. And Ward 1 is a big one of them that needs a change.

01:30:55.580 So, no, I'll definitely reach out to Jacob and see if he wants to talk about that.

01:31:01.060 But either way, it's just an issue that troubles me, whether from a pure policy standpoint, because, you know, the money that's expended.

01:31:11.780 I mean, if these addicts aren't dying, they're in jail.

01:31:14.300 It's expensive to keep them incarcerated.

01:31:16.040 And jail isn't rehab.

01:31:17.240 Jail isn't where you're going to get off it.

01:31:19.180 That's just where you're going to get more dysfunctional at great cost and perhaps learn better means of committing crimes once you get out.

01:31:25.580 So from a pure, shallow policy sense, though, we would save money by treating these people, 0.94

01:31:31.480 getting them off this crap, getting them working, getting them paying taxes. 0.97

01:31:35.020 And from a human standpoint, I hate seeing it. 0.99

01:31:38.520 I hate driving out there and seeing more and more of these people shambling along, 0.96

01:31:43.300 addicted, miserable. 0.67

01:31:45.280 You know, they are not happy.

01:31:47.280 They're not out there having a good time.

01:31:48.960 You see them dancing sometimes in the streets.

01:31:51.080 It's because they're wasted on something.

01:31:52.520 But, you know, one of the most depressing things when you can tell a homeless person, it isn't how they're dressed.

01:31:57.840 It isn't, you know, how unwashed they might be or that they're pushing a shopping cart.

01:32:02.980 It's the way they walk.

01:32:03.920 You ever notice their head is always down.

01:32:06.340 They're always looking at the ground.

01:32:08.160 These are people that are really suffering.

01:32:11.020 They are not going through life and having a good time.

01:32:13.660 And we're seeing more and more of them and eventually they die.

01:32:16.320 I want to see that end.

01:32:18.000 You know, let's talk about conservatives are always called heartless and this and that.

01:32:20.940 Well, no, we aren't.

01:32:21.940 we aren't and you know remember the old term compassionate conservatives we want to take care

01:32:26.560 of those who can't take care of themselves not those who won't take care of themselves those

01:32:30.060 who can't addicts can't take care of themselves they need help and safe consumption sites are one

01:32:37.860 just one small little phase of it and they're not a be-all and end-all and uh let's not let 0.99

01:32:43.720 the harpies the idiots the shallow you know scream it down when kenny is re-examining and he's done 1.00

01:32:51.200 it carefully. There was a lot of study on that Sheldon Chumer Center spot on whether it's working 1.00

01:32:55.860 or whether it's not. It wasn't an arbitrary decision and they're going to make up for it

01:32:59.620 with a couple of other locations. So let's not let the shrill partisan voices give Kenny crap on that 0.63

01:33:06.140 one. Let's give him credit when he gets something right and he's going the right way. You know,

01:33:09.540 listen to the people who are saying he's doing something stupid. Rachel Notley, the mayor of 1.00

01:33:13.540 Edmonton, the mayor of Calgary. How often do those people go into those parts of town? How often do

01:33:18.220 they walk around on there or how often do they drive around on a night shift like I do just to

01:33:22.080 see how just how bad it is to see them passing out see the ambulances the fire trucks the constant

01:33:27.100 overdoses we've got a big problem and to tie it into your partisan ambitions is just sick

01:33:33.880 and again I guess that blind opposition out of Notley that I think everybody's getting tired of

01:33:39.700 be supportive of some things sometimes he's right okay sometimes Jason Kenney is right

01:33:44.160 and getting more treatment beds for these guys and moving away from this,

01:33:49.640 this looking as if a safe consumption sites or some sort of panacea.

01:33:56.020 You know, we can hopefully address this because this issue is getting bigger and bigger and bigger.

01:34:02.120 Either way, that's enough ranting out of me for today.

01:34:04.420 That was a great chat with Kayla and Ford.

01:34:06.820 I thank you for the questions and suggestions and other guests.

01:34:10.060 And by the way, I always welcome guest suggestions, you know.

01:34:12.320 So it's a part of the fun of doing this live show, you know, is getting these comments and feedback and interaction with viewers.

01:34:19.960 But part of the hard part is scheduling people in and getting them on as guests, you know, because they have limited schedules and you're live and you only have so many windows.

01:34:26.800 So if there's people you want to hear from or you think it'd be interesting, you know, send me an email, cmorgan at westernstandardonline.com.

01:34:34.560 Give me a heads up.

01:34:35.440 I'll see about getting them on.

01:34:36.480 We can talk, we can examine issues and we can do things.

01:34:39.220 This is a developing thing with the standard.

01:34:40.860 we're increasing our digital presence you know i mean our news stories our

01:34:45.180 columns have been doing great and now we're doing these shows nadine

01:34:48.880 wellwood's been doing those fantastic interviews and and

01:34:51.540 specials and so on and reporting from spots

01:34:55.780 uh dave does the excellent news work uh you know

01:34:59.700 and so many other writers uh now we're working on this and we've got

01:35:03.980 uh nathan uh gita who does this show the same time slot as me on tuesday

01:35:09.480 wednesday thursday you know we're filling that void where talk radio is dying away and and you

01:35:15.040 know spread the word let's get this going let's get these guests let's get these sponsors uh we

01:35:19.720 can communicate we can bypass the sensors and we can still talk some common sense out here you know

01:35:25.120 there's room for it and uh you know getting back to the sponsors so these guys who have uh the ccfr

01:35:32.540 taking on the sponsorship for the the western standard they're doing some really good work you

01:35:37.340 know. So don't forget, nobody works harder for gun owners than the Canadian Coalition for Firearm

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01:35:59.940 you know, this is a great group. They're standing up for our firearm rights. We need them out there

01:36:04.960 doing it and they're sponsoring us at the western standard so we can keep producing these shows keep

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01:36:24.740 know help spread the words use your social media networks we can really build a great alternative

01:36:29.900 media source here we've been doing it excellently so far derek's doing a great job building this

01:36:34.220 thing from the ground up. It's only going to go further and upward from here. So thank you all

01:36:39.200 for listening and tuning in today. Monday, I will be back at 10 o'clock with more ranting,

01:36:45.020 more news, and more guests. So y'all have a good one.

Western Standard - May 29, 2021

The Cory Morgan Show. May 28 with guest Caylan Ford

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