00:05:36.180Is there, you know, just how, what is going on here?
00:05:41.520You know, with the record of some residential schools, you've got to think that some of these kids either died of mistreatment or even worse.
00:05:51.520And, you know, I think not only are the, you know, the families of those children deserving an answer, I think all Canadians want to know what the heck's going on.
00:06:02.080So that'll be the main one, you know, for probably the upcoming week or so, Corey.
00:06:07.680Yeah, it's been quite a, I guess, a wake-up call for a lot of people.
00:06:11.940I mean, we've known about the residential schools.
00:06:13.800We've heard bits and pieces of the horror stories over decades, but nothing drives it home.
00:06:19.400I mean, just to get that visual and think about that many unmarked graves of children.
00:06:24.860I mean, it's just horrifying and kind of shakes us from our place of comfort,
00:06:29.100thinking we're in this developed nation where such things would never happen and clearly they did
00:06:33.420it's something else i'm sure we're going to be hearing a lot more as this unfolds yeah and i
00:06:38.060think we also need more details on the timeline where you know were these children's death uh
00:06:43.180you know in the early 20th century you know 1919 for example uh you know did the spanish flu go
00:06:49.900through there uh at that point uh you know were they were there more recent deaths uh just uh
00:06:56.460just a terrible story corey yeah well and uh going into other things as we go through this
00:07:03.340this week uh i'm sure we'll be talking a lot about the the first nations issues and again
00:07:07.260those are this horrible horrible history of residential schools uh what other news items
00:07:11.820have we got going on today well it's uh obviously be another fun week in politics as it always uh
00:07:18.380seems to be out west here uh i just published a story on the western standard site on
00:07:24.780on the Ethics Commissioner's investigation of the WE Scandal.
00:07:29.040And as we all know, Prime Minister Trudeau
00:11:25.620So after much discussion, much debate and everything else, they have decided now, so it starts tomorrow, you can have a beer in Calgary Parks.
00:11:37.460They're only actually opening 30 tables, picnic tables, in selected parks in the city right now.
00:11:44.520And you have to schedule your time to go to these tables and you can have a couple of beers.
00:11:49.980It's a maximum two hours you can stay at the table.
00:11:52.220uh you can only have so many people with you i it's comical i mean really and how much time
00:12:01.520are they spending on this like this is not reinventing the wheel or it shouldn't be you
00:12:08.060know i mean how hard so many countries so many places you can go out and have a beer in a park
00:12:13.020and particularly calgary right now when you go downtown and and you see open liquor consumption
00:12:19.340meth consumption heroin consumption and that's just on the train and it's true we've documented
00:12:24.780it yet the city council and and city administration tying themselves in knots to try and come up with
00:12:31.020legislation so law-abiding people can go to the park and and sip on a beer and they've left put
00:12:37.500out this this ridiculous you know a document on how on these 30 tables people may be able to go0.90
00:12:44.460going to a park and have a beer legally and listening to some of the pearl clutchers i mean
00:12:50.260there were people worked up there were people contacting city hall oh you can't let this happen
00:12:53.820this will lead to disorder and misery and hellishness oh what is the matter with you people
00:12:58.280i i mean for one we've been drinking in the park for decades i don't know if you guys didn't notice
00:13:03.880it i know i did it my you if you just kept it in a paper bag in a cooler you poured it in a coffee
00:13:08.140mug you did whatever you had to you had beer in those parks there's a difference between drinking
00:13:12.460in a park and being drunk in a park people say oh there's gonna be disorder all over it's still
00:13:16.380illegal for public intoxication you still can't go stumbling around bothering people
00:13:21.020and then people saying all the kids will be seeing open drinking holy cow you think they
00:13:24.620haven't before what do you think happened with all those patios we stuck outside that thankfully
00:13:28.620are opening up tomorrow people are gonna drink beer on them i don't think it's gonna turn every
00:13:31.900child into an alcoholic i i just find it really odd we've got this supposedly progressive world
00:13:40.140where they want to let things open up i mean we legalized pot we did a number of things
00:13:44.860but they get hung right up on letting somebody have a beer in a park why is this a crisis you
00:13:51.980guys why does it take this much work to just let people consume a legal product in a public place
00:13:59.260it's it's ridiculous but you know it always comes back to control they can't just open something up
00:14:04.140and let it be legal no we've got to come up with a hundred rules regulations laws and probably hire
00:14:09.420another 20 union bylaw officers to run around and chase people and make sure they didn't stay
00:14:13.980at their scheduled booked picnic table, one of the 30 in the entire city for two hours and one0.81
00:14:21.280minute, or we'll have to find them. Meanwhile, under the bush, around the corner, six people
00:14:25.880are passed out cold from drinking something other awful substance. I don't know. It's always one
00:14:32.040step forward, two steps back, especially when it comes to regulations. I think they got the right
00:14:36.360idea. Let us get out and enjoy ourselves a little bit. Then they got to regulate it to the point
00:14:40.180where enjoyment actually becomes utterly impossible. Either way, I just wanted to get a
00:14:46.120quick rant on that one. As Dave was saying, the top issue, everybody's just flat-footed with this
00:14:53.820discovery of 250 bodies outside of a Kamloops residential school site, or 215. There's probably
00:15:03.360more you know i worked with gpr actually when i worked in the arctic we use it for ice thicknesses
00:15:08.000and you know it's got limited ability on dry land you can find some amazing things underground but
00:15:12.720if they've documented 215 i suspect there's a number they didn't get out and find
00:15:18.640uh as dave was saying too there's a lot of questions how did it happen why there's a lot
00:15:25.840lot of factors uh that school was open for almost 100 years and you've got a number of children
00:15:33.780packed into close quarters the early part of the century even the last part of the 1800s they were
00:15:38.720in there you're getting uh things that happen that we don't deal with today i mean they wouldn't have
00:15:43.020the cleanest of drinking water they didn't have the best of food tuberculosis could sweep through
00:15:47.720or smallpox the spanish flu a number of things killed children back then you know polio
00:15:54.320But that doesn't matter. The thing is, why were these children snatched from their families and stuffed into these schools? That's the horror of the whole thing. It really is. I don't care what the intention was.
00:16:11.420You know, some people were saying it was the government had the intention.
00:16:13.940They wanted to bring up these noble savages and help them integrate with society.0.99
00:16:19.500So we had to force them in to get rid of their home languages, pull them from their families and teach them English, teach them reading and writing,0.99
00:16:28.660and then send them back to an isolated reserve where they live under an Indian agent and prosper somehow.0.97
00:16:34.260It was bizarre and absurd and wrong, just wrong.1.00
00:16:38.540You know, we can't make any excuses for this thing.
00:16:41.420it was wrong. There's no getting around it. It's done. We can't undo it, but we've got to learn
00:16:50.180from it. And as I've said to Dave, the thing that was striking is how everybody acts in shock. Well,
00:16:55.400wait a minute. As I said, we've been talking about residential schools for a long, long time. People
00:17:00.060have known about it for a long time. And as Dave said too, it went into recent history. That school
00:17:05.480was opened into the 60s. Residential schools happened until 77. So I mean, there's some people
00:17:13.220who are my age, you know, at 50, who actually spent the early part of their life in one of these
00:17:18.240schools. And let's not beat around the bush. They were abused in those schools. Not always, not by
00:17:25.480every person. But I mean, to start with, it was an abuse to be torn from your family in the first
00:17:30.240place and shoved in there. Onwards from that, we know enough to know that there's a lot,
00:17:36.000unfortunately, of sick, predatory people who get off on abusing children out there. And they put
00:17:42.560themselves in positions where they can get at them. So you know that those schools drew those
00:17:48.560sick buggers like flies to come in there. And look at the impunity they got to the point where they
00:17:53.940could bury 215 children and never document it. There was no record of this. Why is this a mystery?
00:18:00.020at least. If these things happened, you know, okay, they passed from a sweeping case of
00:18:05.780Spanish flu going through there or smallpox or something. You should still have some records
00:18:13.680of it. These children didn't matter to them enough that there would be some documentation
00:18:18.960of where you buried them. You know, the families, from what we're hearing reports, all they got was
00:18:24.260a note, yes, your child has passed. That's it. That's all you needed to know. That's all you
00:18:27.240heard. It's horrible. And it's modern history, guys. Not ancient, ancient stuff. And we've
00:18:36.920messed up, you know. I mean, I keep saying we. Part of the issues that happen now, we've
00:18:41.520got so much distrust. And you can see where it started. You can see where it formed. Generations
00:18:46.380of it. I mean, what possible way could you make more distrust between different cultures
00:18:52.020and people, then to snatch their children away from them. You know, if anybody's read Uncle Tom's
00:18:59.020Cabin, I mean, that's a book that's really actually quite, it's been credited to a degree
00:19:04.340to helping get out in popular chat in the mid-1800s and make people realize the real horrors
00:19:11.900of slavery, just how evil and sick slavery was, because people wanted to keep their heads buried
00:19:17.500under the sand. Even back then, they didn't want to think about it. And that book brought it in
00:19:21.920their face. You know, the most horrifying part of that book were the stories of how the children
00:19:27.360of those slaves would be snatched away from their parents. It's the most unimaginable thing for
00:19:32.340anybody in any culture. Can you imagine how terrifying it is as a child and then as a parent
00:19:38.400and then not get your kid back? And people wonder why First Nations are in as much distress as they
00:19:45.180are today as dysfunctional socially and economically as they are today who on earth wouldn't be after0.98
00:19:52.460that an entire population an entire culture that went through that and and we've known about this
00:19:59.820we buried our heads in the sand a hundred years ago on this and we did lately and we still are
00:20:05.740today and that's where i want to get to on this because the problem was race-based policy the
00:20:12.620problem was separating and treating people completely different based on their race
00:20:18.860and it led to this mess and the problem now though is we're trying to solve it with more
00:20:23.580race-based policy we let the solution zing right by our heads you know we've realized something
00:20:29.740went wrong yet we think we can right it by just changing the application of the original wrongness0.95
00:20:35.580So natives led, you know, they were considered lesser citizens back then. They had policies that kept them, I mean, you know, aside from the residential schools, they weren't allowed to leave the reserve without getting permission from the Indian agent on town. You know, that was up until the 60s. They were stuffed into those segregated areas. It's called apartheid. That's what it is. But we haven't gotten rid of the apartheid. We've just tried to turn it around now.
00:21:04.620So now we've thankfully, I mean, Natives have all the same rights as everybody else, First Nations people, but they're still locked in a system of dependence and misery and, you know, this differentiation and segregation by race.1.00
00:21:25.280It's the reserve system. And it's broken. And it's terrible. Why on earth do we think we can1.00
00:21:30.720take a bunch of people based on race and separate them into these enclaves, these ghettos all over1.00
00:21:36.380Canada? No matter how much the solution we've been trying now is pouring more money, more money,0.90
00:21:40.880more resources, more resources into those places. It's fine. You got to pour some money and resources
00:21:45.460into them. Of course you do. But they're completely dependent. I spent 20 years working in the oil
00:21:51.360A lot of it was working on isolated areas with First Nations people.1.00
00:21:55.940And I tell you, it's really caused a socioeconomic mess, a disaster, dependent.1.00
00:22:02.760And, you know, the term I'll use is infantilized the people there.
00:22:13.420You take any race and stick them in that circumstance, they're going to come up, again, dysfunctional and troubled.1.00
00:22:17.940If you remember a press conference a little while back with a few Native ladies and they screamed at some reporters because they didn't like the questions that were going on. And really, I'm not trying to say it. I mean, you got to point out what it looked like. It looked like a childish temper tantrum. These were Native leaders from a community and they had a childish temper tantrum at the podium.1.00
00:22:36.620but that's because the dependency of this system has turned them into a state of where they are0.98
00:22:42.900like children and this is so so wrong and you can get on my case about saying it like that is
00:22:47.860too damn bad I've been there I've seen it and this is something that we can't just pull away
00:22:53.720supports either I'm not one of those people say just close it all down on the spot no that would
00:22:56.940be a catastrophe but we've got to stop this path we've got an ongoing disaster and if you look at
00:23:05.380every measure, no matter, you know, all the initiatives, all the commissions, different
00:23:09.680governments, I'm not blaming it on any particular party or any particular government. Look at every
00:23:13.920measure on a native reserve right now and try to tell me it's a success. Economic, no. Money,
00:23:20.460they're way down below everybody else in North America, way down in the toilet as far as economic
00:23:24.360goes. So it's an economic disaster. That's a given. Health, no. Masses of health issues. They've got a
00:23:30.580lower life expectancy than everybody else suicides are up diabetes is up cancer is up obesity is up
00:23:38.900in health it's a catastrophe crime the crime rates are higher on every level on a reserve
00:23:47.940because again it's a mess they're in trouble i mean and again it's not see see people misinterpret
00:23:54.420they scream when people criticize that oh you're being a racist you're taking no as i've said any
00:23:59.460race is going to end up like that if you go stick them on these separated areas like that and make
00:24:03.860them dependent you're going to make it a mess a socio-economic disaster and that's what we've got0.99
00:24:08.980education no they are not becoming educated and getting out of that there's some success stories
00:24:14.180we can find them here and there we point at them we celebrate them and we should but you know the0.97
00:24:18.740success stories you see with first nations people almost always it means they had to escape the
00:24:23.060the reserve. They had to get off there. Yet, there's no talk about getting rid of these bloody
00:24:30.440reserves. They're dead end. They're wrong. They're race-based policy and they're wrong. No matter what
00:24:35.620the intention is, no matter how much money you pour at it, it's apartheid and it's wrong. And we
00:24:40.300have to at least acknowledge that before we start moving towards a solution. We don't seem to be at
00:24:45.360that stage. Nobody's got the balls to come out and say these reserves are wrong. As Jonathan's
00:24:49.740point. Now, the only successful reserves are the ones that are self-sufficient from other
00:24:53.380either resource extraction or casinos, et cetera. Yes. And there's some that are well-placed if
00:25:00.400they're near urban centers, they're near tourist areas. They can have a casino, they can have golf
00:25:06.660courses, wineries. There's some in the Okanagan that are doing quite well. There's some on the
00:25:11.380East Coast that have been doing okay. But again, those are exceptions among a low standard. They
00:25:17.640still have high rates of poverty, crime, domestic abuse, all sorts of issues on them. They're just
00:25:24.540doing better than the other reserves are. We need to work towards an end on them. And there's been
00:25:30.780a few discussions on how to get there. As I said, it can't happen overnight. I saw some online
00:25:35.860discussion that was pretty heavy about it. Oh, by the way, you know, and somebody, somebody got
00:25:40.900upset with me. Oh, you're talking about this. You shouldn't be talking politics. We just heard
00:25:43.860this. This is a period of mourning. This is too early to talk about this right now.
00:25:47.640No, actually, right now is the exact time we need to be talking about this.
00:25:52.080We need to talk about it when the feelings are raw.
00:25:54.860We need to talk about it when we've just seen how horrible this system is,
00:25:58.820when we've seen just how badly treated these people have been,
00:26:01.980and let's see how we can get them out of it.
00:27:24.520To be an Indian is to be a man with a man's needs and abilities. To be an Indian is also
00:27:30.540to be different, to speak different languages, draw different pictures, tell different tales,
00:27:33.940and to rely on a set of values developed in a different world. Canada is richer for its Indian0.98
00:27:39.300content, although there have been times when diversity seemed of little value to many Canadians.
00:27:46.360But to be a Canadian Indian today is to be someone different in another way. It's to be someone a
00:27:51.100part, a part in law, a part in provision of government services, and often a part in social
00:27:56.060contracts. To be an Indian is to lack power, the power to act as owner of your lands, the power to1.00
00:28:01.480spend your own money, and too often the power to change your own condition. Not only, not always,1.00
00:28:07.900But too often to be an Indian is to be without, without a job, a good house, or running water, without knowledge, training, or technical skill, and above all, those feelings of dignity and self-confidence that a man must have if he is to walk with his head held high.0.95
00:28:22.240All these conditions of the Indians and the product of history have nothing to do with their abilities and capacities.
00:28:28.000Indian relations with other Canadians began with special treatment by government, society, and special treatment has been the rule since the Europeans first settled in Canada.0.59
00:28:37.900special treatment has made of the Indians a community of disadvantaged people. Obviously,0.76
00:28:43.780the course of history can't be changed. To be an Indian must be to be free, free to develop Indian
00:28:49.960cultures in an environment of legal, social, social and economic equality with other Canadians.
00:28:55.460I'll get on to where that solution went. But you read that and you look at the white paper,
00:29:05.260absolutely right the same issues were going on that long ago more than a generation ago they
00:29:10.860realized that this separation was hurting them it was hurting their self-esteem it was hurting them
00:29:17.260economically it was hurting them physically it was a dead-end path and to say it and say it
00:29:22.220respectfully that you can maintain the culture you can maintain the differences but it's time
00:29:27.100to bring them in to society for us to be together because it's failing otherwise we can respectfully
00:29:34.380undo or move away from what the original settlers and colonial system that gets this colonial talk
00:29:40.780that gets overused right now about things today but that was the preamble and that was going in
00:29:46.300so before they got to it and then they said here's you know what they wanted to do uh this is that
00:29:52.780step one legislative and constitutional basis of discrimination be removed that was the bottom line
00:29:58.380end race-based policy. It has to end. 52 years ago, we figured it out. We still can't seem to
00:30:04.700do it today. We have to do it. We have to. Two, that there be a positive recognition
00:30:10.700by everyone of the unique contribution of Indian culture to Canadian life. Yes,
00:30:16.200it's a part of our whole collective being. Let's mix. Let's peace citizens. Let's get together.
00:30:23.200This is modernizing, growing, evolving. And there could be a positive recognition of that.
00:30:27.760what you see the residential schools were trying to exterminate it that that's you know the term0.93
00:30:31.840genocide it gets applied here and there rightly wrongly at times if people put the word cultural0.94
00:30:37.360in front of it though there's no doubt that's exactly what the residential schools were about0.72
00:30:41.800they were cultural genocide they were trying to wipe out the differences and cultural unique
00:30:46.920aspects of every native in Canada they're trying to wipe that out throughout an entire through
00:30:51.260generations of children and it was sick and it was wrong this statement says let's positively
00:30:56.600recognize it and as a contribution to us, not a detriment. And again, 52 years ago, they're
00:31:02.900saying this, that services come through those channels from the same government agencies for
00:31:07.100all Canadians and that those who are furthest behind be helped most. So again, it's just saying
00:31:12.260we make it all Canadians and get rid of the race-based part of it. Number five, that lawful0.99
00:31:17.800obligations be recognized. So yeah, again, we're not talking about throwing people off of reserves,
00:31:21.680not talking about scrapping the treaties or the lands that were designated, still follow through0.83
00:31:26.220those lawful obligations but we've got to get out of this uh race-based system uh that control of
00:31:33.260indian lands we transferred to indian people yeah and uh right now that isn't so i mean they've got
00:31:40.300self-government things the efforts through the 90s but they didn't quite work out and again
00:31:44.940there's no transfer property there's a great deal of things that that natives can't do with their
00:31:49.580land uh that other people can so it's not really fully their land if you can't sell it it's not
00:31:54.300yours so you're just a renter or a squatter even if you want to say to the worst but it's not their
00:32:00.140land if they don't have that ability to mortgage or rent or sell um so government would be prepared
00:32:06.220to take the following steps to create this framework so here's the step propose that
00:32:09.340parliament to the parliament that the indian act be repealed and take such legislative steps as
00:32:14.700may be necessary to enable indians to control indian lands and acquire title to them yeah
00:32:19.180so give them their land like any other person's land and you know split it up divide it up it's0.62
00:32:23.900not going to be easy who said it would be it's sure not easy following the status quo either
00:32:27.900but start moving on start going on to proper property rights and settling like everyone else
00:32:34.220propose to governments of the provinces that they take over the same responsibility for
00:32:37.580indians that they have with other citizens in their provinces the takeover will be accompanied
00:32:41.580by the transfer to the province of federal funds normally provided for indian programs augmented
00:32:46.380as may be necessary yes because uh first nations people are under the umbrella of federal government
00:32:51.260so a whole lot of things while they're typically provincial services for everybody else for first
00:32:57.500nations it comes through indian affairs or whatever it's called these days it's a federal thing so
00:33:02.700again this is going back then and saying just again make them citizens like everybody else
00:33:06.220simple as that uh number three you know make substantial funds available for indian economic
00:33:11.180development as an interim measure so yeah you know transitional money but the goal is to be
00:33:14.940transitional we've got to be looking to an end interim not ongoing and ongoing and ongoing
00:33:21.260And then number four, wind up the part of the Department of Indian Affairs and our development, which deals with Indian Affairs.
00:33:26.960The residual responsibilities of the federal government for programs in the field of Indian Affairs will be transferred to other appropriate federal departments.
00:33:33.520This was a fantastic policy statement 52 years ago.
00:33:40.340And yeah, this, you know, again, doesn't undo the damage of the past, the horrors of the residential schools.0.61
00:33:48.460but we can start the end of the damage we're doing today with this same system in a sense0.78
00:33:55.840there's no more residential school but there's still apartheid and that's what it is it's racial
00:33:59.780apartheid why is this acceptable to people we didn't accept it with South Africa and it sure0.69
00:34:04.260as hell didn't work out well there did it but we're accepting it here 52 years ago Christian
00:34:09.060and Trudeau realized this they recognized this they read that to the parliament and unfortunately
00:34:14.160opposition to it shot it down you know who knocked it down yeah there was some degree of
00:34:20.640chiefs and others who were doing quite well with the system as it sits
00:34:23.760and a lot were the ones you know the term it isn't used enough
00:34:27.640it's called the Indian industry there is there's a giant sub industry of people who do very very
00:34:34.820well out of the status quo with uh with the first nations right now lawyers bureaucrats0.96
00:34:41.260there's band managers there's all sorts of parasites that do absolutely fantastic in the0.95
00:34:47.700Indian industry there's contractors why do you think we spend all this money and they still
00:34:52.180don't have clean running water on that land well there's a number of reasons but it's not for lack0.92
00:34:57.180of resources it's corruption inefficiency those dollars went somewhere yeah and there's some
00:35:04.000people as I said who do not want to see this industry change because they're making a great
00:39:27.540But most of our stuff from 200 years ago is crap we don't want to do anymore, no matter what culture you are.
00:39:32.240So quit this absurd feeling that we can save this through a reserve system.
00:39:38.240It's ridiculous. It's insane. And it doesn't have to be in a reserve to maintain the good aspects of the culture. Do we have reserves for the Chinese community, the Indian community? They maintain their cultures fantastically. And they do it within their own community. But meanwhile, they're still integrated with society and modern society and moving ahead and doing very well. And we certainly mistreated our Asian communities very badly only 100 years ago as well and less than that.
00:40:04.300so you know they'd be in terrible distress if we'd taken reserves and kept them on them since then
00:40:10.760so let's have that discussion that's it's enough ranting on that you know i'd uh had a guest
00:40:17.300canceled today so short on guests to keep things running and i i figured it was a good subject to
00:40:21.960cover though and i wanted to go on at length because it frustrated me year after year working
00:40:25.780in the oil field and watching this and watching it get worse year after year and knowing it's
00:40:30.360going to get worse as time passes. So hopefully we'll find some politicians to start finding some
00:40:37.880courage to tear off that band-aid and work towards bringing an end to this archaic sick system1.00
00:40:45.720of race-based policy. You know, I'm going to cut the show short today, though. Like I said,
00:40:52.860I was missing a guess. So I just wanted to go off on that. You know, let's have some other
00:40:58.220optimism going into the week. The weather's nice. The lockdowns are coming towards an end. It's like
00:41:02.600I was saying with Dave. Let's get out and enjoy ourselves. Find a park where city workers aren't
00:41:08.960watching you. Have a beer. You'll be able to go on a patio soon. You'll be able to have some business
00:41:13.460things soon. And maybe we're going to be in for a good year. We're coming out of a bad one. We're
00:41:23.280starting off with some bad news but let's take the bad things and turn them into good ones you
00:41:28.300know we not everything has to be negative and uh as i said now's the time to be talking about
00:41:34.180first nations issues and and with a critical eye because you can't solve a problem until you admit
00:41:38.480that you have one in the first place you know getting back to my old addictions treatment
00:41:42.200cliches step one the hardest one's admitting you have a problem well our problem is race-based
00:41:46.600policy. Until it ends, the problem is not going to go away. So let's get back to our sponsor though
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00:42:05.520working hard. So don't forget, nobody works harder for gun owners than the Canadian Coalition for
00:42:09.920Firearm Rights. The CCFR is suing the federal government right now on behalf of gun owners. So