Western Standard - The countdown has begun for an Alberta referendum

00:00:00.000 Good day.

00:00:29.300 welcome to the cory morgan show second take this is uh what i believe it's gonna be one of the last

00:00:35.860 three of these friday shows we're doing this was a special we're doing throughout the election

00:00:39.620 period when we started it we didn't know exactly when the election was going to be called so it

00:00:43.940 covered a a few months and now we're coming towards the close of that but we got a few

00:00:48.100 more fridays together and hey if somebody's looking to sponsor future friday shows send me

00:00:52.900 a note let's see if we can set something up otherwise we're going to do a few of these and

00:00:56.340 And then back to just the Wednesday shows for me.

00:00:58.700 But the Western Standard has still got lots and lots of stuff on the cooker and being produced.

00:01:02.740 So today we've got, who have we got here?

00:01:06.000 We've got Roy Beyer who's going to come on.

00:01:08.120 Something new in Alberta.

00:01:09.240 It's been kind of overshadowed with all the federal politics and everything.

00:01:12.220 But we do have a party system now in municipal politics.

00:01:15.760 And the first one out of the gates was this A Better Calgary Party.

00:01:20.140 And the person, spokesperson, I guess, or I believe he's the CEO of it.

00:01:24.580 and I'm not quite sure I'll clarify that with Roy, is Roy Byer,

00:01:27.800 and they're starting to get ready for this fall's municipal elections.

00:01:30.740 How's it going to look? How's this going to work?

00:01:33.020 We'll address those issues like vote splits and things like that.

00:01:35.880 And then Nadine Ness is going to come on, 1.00

00:01:37.640 and she's with United Grassroots in Saskatchewan,

00:01:40.900 where they've got very similar issues.

00:01:43.200 Actually, the independent support in Saskatchewan is as strong as Alberta,

00:01:47.460 and she's been lobbying to get at least referenda legislation 0.96

00:01:51.960 similar to Alberta's on the go,

00:01:53.720 and it's turned into a bit of a political ping-pong ball over there.

00:01:56.780 The NDP are demanding Scott Moe denouncer

00:01:59.160 and all the usual fun and games going on.

00:02:03.140 So as per the title of the show, yeah,

00:02:05.160 the countdown has begun for an Alberta referendum.

00:02:07.480 We're going to have one.

00:02:08.380 It's pretty much assured now.

00:02:11.120 An independence referendum is coming to Alberta.

00:02:13.520 This will be the first independence referendum held in Canada

00:02:17.420 outside of Quebec and Canadian history.

00:02:20.380 Where it's going to be within a year from now,

00:02:22.160 the timeline has started. Premier Smith has made it clear. She's going to put it in the hands of

00:02:26.140 Albertans to petition. She's made the bar achievable and there's surely enough support by the looks of

00:02:32.200 it to have that invoked. How much support will be built by 2026? It's hard to say, but this is going

00:02:38.640 to be an issue now for at least a year. It's not going to go away. When you have a long timeline

00:02:45.020 to a referendum, what you really got is a long campaign period. People are going to be pushing

00:02:49.720 and organizing and doing what they will on either side of that issue, it's going to be pretty heated.

00:02:55.520 On the federal front, we're seeing it back and forth. Smith put a bunch of demands to

00:02:59.720 Prime Minister Mark Carney, which we know most of them he's not going to bend to,

00:03:06.820 but maybe he'll throw a few and it might cool some things down. We'll see, but we got quite a

00:03:11.240 push and pull game of regional interests going on across the country in response to the last

00:03:18.200 election. I think it's in response to 10 years of bad government, but now when we see that no

00:03:22.740 matter how bad the government got, Central Canada is just not willing to change it, a lot of Western

00:03:28.140 Canadians are re-evaluating whether they really want to be a part of this agreement or not anymore.

00:03:34.020 So we're in for very interesting times, to say the least, and history-making times. Either way,

00:03:40.480 let's see what else is going on in these times and check in with our news editor, Dave Naylor.

00:03:43.800 How's it going, Dave? It's going well, Corey, how are you? Happy Friday?

00:03:46.240 yeah thanks another week has come and is finally going yeah well we're into that spring weather

00:03:51.120 i i'm looking forward to weekends more now because i can perhaps get out and enjoy things a little

00:03:56.840 more rather you know weekends just meant sitting in the dark in the house watching netflix well

00:04:00.480 don't forget we still got one more major snowstorm to come it should be for the may long weekend

00:04:04.620 as always so i don't know why people continue to go camping that weekend they know it's

00:04:10.880 they know it's going to be bad weather just again it's tradition right you know i mean

00:04:14.820 And it depends on the people.

00:04:16.960 If you're going with the whole family and kids and you're in for that misery and mud and everything, 0.99

00:04:20.060 you're in for an awful time, and they do it every year.

00:04:23.040 But when I was young and drinking and so on, I mean, it didn't matter, you know,

00:04:26.780 if you just get a half-assed tent and a few friends and enough booze and a campfire, you could endure it.

00:04:31.640 Yeah, I suppose.

00:04:32.940 We're all too old for that now.

00:04:34.100 Oh, yeah.

00:04:34.480 For you and I.

00:04:36.140 Well done.

00:04:37.320 So another interesting week in the news, I guess.

00:04:39.500 started with the big

00:04:42.300 tete-a-tete with Prime Minister Carney

00:04:44.400 and President Trump at the White

00:04:46.460 House.

00:04:48.500 You know what? One of the things that struck me

00:04:50.400 was how short Mark Carney was.

00:04:52.400 Not to be petty, but he's only like 5'7",

00:04:54.580 and Trump towers

00:04:56.060 over him in the first

00:04:58.220 handshake and to the

00:04:59.940 thumbs up and all that sort of stuff.

00:05:02.800 So Trump was his usual

00:05:04.260 self. He insulted

00:05:05.460 Trudeau and

00:05:08.080 viciously assaulted Christia Freeland

00:05:10.580 and, you know, Carney

00:05:12.280 just stood there and took it, didn't

00:05:14.000 rise to their defense and

00:05:16.160 Carney made it

00:05:18.500 clear, Canada is not for sale

00:05:20.420 some places aren't for sale, like the

00:05:22.400 White House and Buckingham Palace

00:05:24.260 and Trump said, never say never

00:05:26.000 and then they went and had lunch

00:05:28.200 and went behind closed doors and then who knows

00:05:30.220 what happened. Yeah, I mean

00:05:31.760 you know, a little credit

00:05:34.360 where due, I guess. I'm not a Carney fan

00:05:36.480 and won't be, but

00:05:38.080 I think he did as well as anybody can when you're stepping in with somebody like Trump.

00:05:42.440 I mean, you just don't even know what you're in for in that room.

00:05:44.820 And the best you can hope for is that it wasn't a circus.

00:05:48.380 Yeah, he wasn't Zelensky.

00:05:49.720 Yes.

00:05:50.240 You know, so he's probably wiping his brow.

00:05:52.940 But I think it was a bit of, you know, Canada, U.S., best friends, all that sort of stuff.

00:05:58.680 Interestingly enough, a couple of days later, Trump announces his first trade deal is with Great Britain.

00:06:04.740 Kind of a little snub, isn't it?

00:06:06.260 you think you'd want to get your biggest trading partner and get them figured out before you

00:06:10.420 figure out the Brits and the Chinese? I don't know. I mean, he probably just wants to make 1.00

00:06:16.160 Carney sweat a little more. I mean, part of it too, though, is it takes a negotiation. Things

00:06:19.880 were in flux. We didn't have an established prime minister until only a couple of weeks ago. It

00:06:24.200 could have been one of two people. Again, I don't know how forward thinking President Trump is,

00:06:29.320 but we get some of the reality. I mean, his bluster, everything else. It was interesting.

00:06:32.700 they went behind closed doors.

00:06:34.120 Trump likes doing

00:06:34.720 those public meetings.

00:06:35.760 I don't think a lot

00:06:36.320 gets accomplished

00:06:36.920 because it's just all

00:06:37.560 Trump talking.

00:06:39.000 But maybe behind closed doors

00:06:40.780 I hope he's a little

00:06:42.180 more nuanced.

00:06:43.640 And the big news next week

00:06:44.940 is going to be

00:06:45.440 Carney's cabinet.

00:06:47.380 Who's in, who's out?

00:06:48.440 Do you think

00:06:48.760 he'll have the audacity

00:06:50.520 to put Gilbo

00:06:51.360 back in environment?

00:06:52.460 Yes.

00:06:52.880 Well, I don't want environment.

00:06:54.000 I think he's going

00:06:54.580 to keep the cabinet, buddy.

00:06:55.880 Yeah, well, I think

00:06:56.380 he's a Montreal lieutenant,

00:06:58.060 Quebec lieutenant.

00:06:58.780 So he'll be in cabinet.

00:06:59.760 So I don't think

00:07:01.420 he'd throw him in environment.

00:07:02.320 I mean, he's got a heck of a regional explosion going on right now.

00:07:07.840 Throwing more gas on the fire by putting Gilbo in the environment. 0.59

00:07:10.320 I don't know if it would be.

00:07:11.900 Freeland is finance minister?

00:07:14.000 Possibly.

00:07:14.580 You know, they're family friends.

00:07:16.320 Trudeau, though.

00:07:17.120 Yeah, absolutely.

00:07:18.800 So that'll be the thing to keep an eye on next week.

00:07:22.500 You know, you mentioned independence, and obviously that was high up in the news all week.

00:07:27.560 uh uh mark carney sort of dismissed dismissed it and said yeah not gonna worry about it but after

00:07:34.360 a first minister's call uh this week uh doug ford surprisingly came out and said look it's

00:07:40.520 it's time to show some some love to alberta and saskatchewan and he uh he said over the last decade

00:07:47.160 of the the trudeau government we've been screwed and now it's time uh you know now it's time to

00:07:52.520 sort of right in the balance and uh carney called a western uh premier's conference uh so early in

00:07:59.400 june uh they're gonna all meet in uh beautiful downtown saskatoon uh for a chinwag so i mean

00:08:05.800 it's an interesting choice too like they're being strategic yeah i gotta give them a little again

00:08:11.320 credit there you know if you want to cool things down host it out here don't hold it out in st

00:08:15.640 john and say we're going to address western alienation go to the heart of it and so he's

00:08:20.280 you know little things little things you know and keep in mind that danielle smith said she

00:08:24.760 was cautiously optimistic after her first talk with him so we'll soon find out right it's not

00:08:30.520 going to take years it's going to take months if if that before we figure out whether carney's

00:08:37.160 a man of his word or just another liberal well i'm certain he's just a lot better liberal to

00:08:41.960 see how well he can cloak it for a while i mean it but if he can calm down the prairie fires you

00:08:46.600 you know, I'm trying to light them as hard as I can. Premier Smith was interviewed by CTV

00:08:53.040 yesterday, I believe it was. And she says, one of the best things about holding an independence

00:08:57.540 referendum is it eliminates the need for an independence party in the province. So you

00:09:04.840 don't need a party Quebecois, you know, coming up upon your doorstep. So I mean, do you see an

00:09:13.140 independence party forming or is there's going to be too busy trying to get signatures i i guess i

00:09:18.680 could see this quelling a bit of that because it can give the people who want to pursue independence

00:09:22.600 something else to focus on rather than than meddling with i don't think there was ever a

00:09:26.720 threat from an independence party though i mean the support's going up but i mean again look at

00:09:30.520 we had five of them in the last election they couldn't break one percent the best they could

00:09:34.540 do is maybe you know unify a bit and get two or three percent in an election that might be what

00:09:38.960 three years from now. The interesting thing was that Angus Reid polling, though, that showed among

00:09:44.300 UCP supporters, support for independence is as high as 65%. So she has to watch that flank.

00:09:53.320 She's in a tough spot. Yeah. And it's going to get tougher budget-wise, Corey, with

00:09:57.500 our Sean Polzer did a story this week that with the terrible oil prices right now,

00:10:04.260 So that could cost Alberta up to $5 to $7 billion.

00:10:08.720 And, you know, that's money that they're going to have to find somewhere, you know, or they could do the Trudeau thing and just print off money to cover it.

00:10:16.240 But it's, you know, the finances are looking pretty grim for the next little while.

00:10:21.120 Well, and part of that is that the UCP hasn't conducted themselves like fiscal conservatives.

00:10:26.100 No.

00:10:26.220 I mean, they won't cut spending.

00:10:28.020 No.

00:10:29.220 Maybe it's going to…

00:10:30.300 Spend more than the NDP, for goodness sakes.

00:10:32.000 Yeah.

00:10:32.320 Yeah. And so I think some Albertans should be holding them to a little account on that one, too.

00:10:36.720 Hey, guys, that's enough.

00:10:37.760 Yeah, agreed. I mean, you know, unemployment numbers out today, 6.9, I believe it is.

00:10:44.000 You know, we're headed for a financial cliff here pretty soon, sooner than later.

00:10:47.840 And the Bank of Canada, Governor Tiff Macklin kind of warned that yesterday in his own sort of banker words that, you know, better strap in.

00:10:56.320 Things could get could get ugly.

00:10:58.260 Yeah, well, maybe Premier Smith could put her plans for a high-speed choo-choo train on the shelf. 0.99

00:11:04.500 You know, one thing I did not have on my bingo card this week, a Pope from Chicago.

00:11:09.180 Oh, yes.

00:11:09.980 Wow, Pope Leo XIV.

00:11:13.060 And a great headline in the Chicago paper today, Da Pope, as opposed to Da Bears.

00:11:21.160 So it's Da Pope.

00:11:22.160 So that'll be my headline every time he's mentioned in the story.

00:11:25.540 Da Pope says this, Da Pope says that.

00:11:27.840 I believe that is the very first American pope.

00:11:30.160 Yep, very first one.

00:11:32.380 Didn't speak any English yesterday in his sort of welcoming address.

00:11:38.980 It's expected it would be all Latin. 0.97

00:11:40.920 Oh, it's all Latin and Italian stuff. 0.93

00:11:43.260 But apparently he does speak English, being from Chicago.

00:11:45.860 I would imagine, yeah.

00:11:46.780 But he is a priest in Peru.

00:11:50.880 Peru's his home base.

00:11:53.020 So he's got dual citizenship between Peru and the United States.

00:11:56.300 But, hey, it's going to be interesting.

00:11:57.440 You've got an American Pope. 0.97

00:11:58.960 You've got Crazy Donald.

00:12:01.300 When those two get together, it'll be a good laugh.

00:12:03.680 Yeah, interesting times.

00:12:04.800 Well, congrats to the Catholics, I guess.

00:12:06.960 Yeah.

00:12:07.680 Having a new guy at the front, we'll see how he conducts himself in the next few years.

00:12:12.200 Wish him luck.

00:12:13.380 Right on.

00:12:13.920 Okay, well, thanks.

00:12:14.940 I'll let you get back to tidying things up so you can escape for the weekend.

00:12:18.540 Yes, I'll look forward to it.

00:12:20.060 You're going up to the big quilt show in Red Deer.

00:12:22.700 That'll be fun for you.

00:12:23.560 Yes.

00:12:23.900 You and all those women.

00:12:25.360 Back there tomorrow.

00:12:26.300 I am the hired help to help set up and break down.

00:12:30.540 I was laughing at that yesterday.

00:12:32.040 I had the lanyard with this quilt show and Corey Morgan on it.

00:12:36.440 As we know, we go to so many of those things.

00:12:38.380 You know, at home, dozens and dozens of lanyards for political functions, everything else.

00:12:42.560 But a quilt show, that's just kind of an awful thing.

00:12:44.860 I've heard that, you know, you attract the women crowd, and there's usually three or four deep around. 1.00

00:12:51.560 There's some come by to say hi.

00:12:53.500 They like the show.

00:12:54.340 Are you taking your book because you're now an official bestseller?

00:12:57.580 You could sell some books up in Red Deer?

00:12:59.580 Books been doing well, but I don't think the boss there, Jane,

00:13:02.720 would appreciate my bringing politics into her business platform.

00:13:07.920 Yeah, she's just fed up fending off all the women around you. 1.00

00:13:10.580 Yeah, something like that.

00:13:11.320 Yeah, all right.

00:13:12.080 Well, good luck.

00:13:13.400 All right, thanks, Dave.

00:13:14.900 You bet.

00:13:15.400 You bet.

00:13:15.880 I'll take care.

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00:14:10.000 You can see him back to the desk behind me there.

00:14:12.300 And he is hard at it.

00:14:14.420 We got a lot on the go.

00:14:17.340 So, yeah, lots of things breaking in the news out there.

00:14:21.680 The independence thing is huge, you know, and it's been keeping me busy a lot lately.

00:14:26.860 It's on top of the news.

00:14:29.440 But where are we going to go with it?

00:14:31.500 And the parties, that's an interesting aspect.

00:14:35.320 And it's funny because I'm a person who's supportive of parties and partisanship.

00:14:39.400 And when my guest comes on in a few moments here, Roy Beyer, with the Better Calgary Party,

00:14:45.340 I think bringing parties into the municipal system, I think in the long run, though they're in their infancy right now,

00:14:50.180 I think it's a good development for democracy. It's a better way to get things done on the municipal front. Yet, at the same time, when we're talking about, as Dave was talking about, independence parties, you know, this is where we get problematic.

00:15:06.560 and uh we just we we don't need them and they aren't working the best way to remind people

00:15:15.020 if if you've ever actually campaigned before go knocking on doors running for an independence

00:15:19.900 party i did it i did it over 20 years ago the over independence party and you immediately turn

00:15:25.160 into a single issue party you see that's one of the headaches people don't understand well gee

00:15:30.680 support for independence was 20 25 i mean now it's at 36 but but even in past elections it was up

00:15:36.240 but these independence parties can't get past one percent that's because you're just you're wearing

00:15:41.760 that on your sleeve and you're not getting any farther than that people in a provincial election

00:15:47.280 still want to talk about health care they want to talk about education they want to talk about

00:15:51.440 those broader issues and your focus ends up on nothing but independence when you're trying to

00:15:56.320 campaign that way likewise a government in power just can't afford to get themselves pigeonholed

00:16:01.360 with something like that and it's been an interesting tactic that premier smith's done

00:16:06.320 she's put it in the hands of the members in the hands of the citizens then if a referendum is

00:16:12.400 going to be held a referendum uh it's on them and she doesn't kind of have to take a side it's

00:16:16.720 an interesting balancing act she's trying to accomplish but uh i think it's the better way

00:16:21.280 to go all right but let's uh i see him in the lobby there bring roy byron from a better calgary

00:16:25.680 party and and see what's going on the municipal front hey roy how you doing oh oh very good

00:16:30.000 Good. Corey, I'm having a connection problem.

00:16:33.560 Okay. Yeah, I understand that frustration at times.

00:16:37.940 We had you for just audio only for a moment.

00:16:41.680 Let's try again.

00:16:43.360 Let's try again.

00:16:45.480 I'm not too sure why.

00:16:46.840 I usually have no problem with StreamYard,

00:16:49.320 but this morning I had some glitches.

00:16:51.360 Thanks for having us.

00:16:53.220 Oh, no problem.

00:16:53.840 Yeah, no, I know the pain.

00:16:54.700 I was on with Candice, with Trudeau the other day,

00:16:58.800 and same thing my stream yard for some reason decided to crap out it just uh seems to be the

00:17:02.940 way it goes now so yeah so yeah where to begin you're you're with the a better calgary party

00:17:08.500 you guys were the first ones out of the gate with the new municipal party system it's kind of a you

00:17:14.300 know uh you're you're breaking a lot of new ground trying to get things together and get ready and

00:17:18.940 we've got municipal elections looming this fall so so how's it been going well it's uh it's been

00:17:24.280 interesting because of course we knew early on that this was going to be a challenge because the

00:17:28.460 Not everyone likes the idea of a municipal political party.

00:17:31.320 Change is always uncomfortable for some people that are used to the old system.

00:17:36.120 But for us conservatives, it hasn't been working.

00:17:38.540 We've had election after election with terrible results because we on the conservative side, we tend to split the vote.

00:17:46.340 That's like herding cats.

00:17:47.800 So on the center conservative side, we have multiple candidates running against each other.

00:17:52.260 The last election, we had, I think, 27 mayoral candidates.

00:17:55.760 the other side is very organized very disciplined and it was calgary's future which is actually

00:18:02.160 funded by public sector unions so their priorities are not the same as as what is typical for most

00:18:09.360 calgarians they selected one person in every ward and one person for a mayoral candidate and not

00:18:15.520 surprisingly they won and we lost again and so um the idea of a political party is that

00:18:22.480 we on the right have a mechanism by which we can narrow the field instead of many people running

00:18:28.000 against each other we could just have one and then really have an effective election where uh the

00:18:34.480 issues are understood by people it's not a popularity contest who has most signs and it's

00:18:39.760 also uh that clear as to you know what each side stands for and i think that would result in a better

00:18:46.560 election result but uh the transition has not been easy uh because some people are uncomfortable with

00:18:52.080 that and so we got started very early talking to some of the incumbents we knew that for them

00:18:56.960 this was going to be challenging because uh if they've done a good job name recognition they

00:19:01.760 don't really need a party but we as citizens of calgary we need a political party so we're first

00:19:07.680 out the gate last june with our launch inviting all of the center right um players to join us and

00:19:15.360 to work with us under the concept of a political party where we'd have nominations and narrow the

00:19:21.040 field and get a single person selected for every ward. Great. I'm glad you brought up that the

00:19:27.400 unions and others had been organizing and have been successfully doing this for years because

00:19:31.180 some people are chafe at the thought of a party system coming into municipal politics. So what I

00:19:36.500 always say is, well, the only thing worse than an official party system is an unofficial party

00:19:40.760 system. And that's been going for quite some time. This is transparent and in the open and people get

00:19:45.340 to know who the candidates are about. It's not a hidden agenda by any means. That's for sure.

00:19:50.900 And, you know, the thing that's interesting, if you actually look at the analysis of money that was spent, those center-right candidates actually spent more money, but they were split amongst many, whereas the left, they were more efficient.

00:20:05.460 Yes, they spent $1.4 million, but they put it behind one single candidate in every ward.

00:20:09.920 and you know it just makes sense to try to do the same thing but I don't think it's possible

00:20:15.360 unless we accept the basic premise of a political party system because we don't have the same

00:20:20.620 mechanism of discipline as a union does right so the mechanism of discipline is saying well let's

00:20:25.300 have a political party let's have nomination process that all made sense to me and unfortunately

00:20:30.360 not everyone agrees but that's something that we still really believe in. So as you said I mean

00:20:35.960 especially it being new, you've got some incumbent candidates,

00:20:38.680 ones that are a handful that are popular conservative individuals,

00:20:42.120 and people have been worried that they'd be knocked off

00:20:45.440 or a vote split might hit them and they don't want to oppose them.

00:20:48.200 But as incumbents, they aren't too inclined to jump into a new party.

00:20:51.880 So you guys have arranged something of a bypass vote.

00:20:54.500 Can you kind of explain how that worked?

00:20:56.860 Sure. And we just went through the bypass vote,

00:20:59.160 but this was a really important piece for us.

00:21:05.960 oh oh is he back yeah sorry about that cory no that's all right i've got the internet and

00:21:16.140 everything no explaining what's going on here but uh yeah the bypass vote was an idea that we had

00:21:20.780 because we're transitioning from a non-party system to a party system municipality wise and

00:21:27.660 we knew that some of the incumbents did not really need a political party they can get re-elected

00:21:31.780 without a political party.

00:21:33.960 And so what we wanted to do is have a democratic mechanism

00:21:37.720 by which to figure out which of the incumbent counselors

00:21:41.780 we're not going to run against.

00:21:44.020 So we knew for sure there was a list of three people

00:21:46.320 that were likely to be well-liked

00:21:48.720 by center-right conservatives.

00:21:51.400 But instead of guessing

00:21:52.500 and having a backroom conversation,

00:21:54.220 we decided we'd ask the membership within every ward.

00:21:57.440 So we have 14 wards in the city.

00:21:59.620 In every ward, we asked them, yes or no,

00:22:01.700 you want us to bypass are you happy with your incumbent or not and if they're happy with their

00:22:07.700 incumbent if the majority vote yes i'm happy then we will choose instead of running an abc candidate

00:22:13.860 against the incumbent incumbent with choose instead to endorse or not run a candidate against

00:22:20.500 that person so we wanted that to be very transparent and very democratic we built it within our bylaws

00:22:26.500 we just finished that vote and so there was five council members that got a bypass vote from abc

00:22:33.540 party and we knew those three solid that was unsure about two others and we left it up to

00:22:39.940 the members within the ward to tell us whether or not to give them a bypass great so that works you

00:22:46.260 know to help things when you're looking at city council now the mayoral race is uh another challenge

00:22:52.900 all together in a lot of ways uh there's already a number of declared candidates for mayor and

00:22:59.860 a few could be conservative or not as you said the last uh re election it was just a you know

00:23:05.380 dozens of mayoral candidates uh how is the alberta uh a better calgary party navigating the the

00:23:11.300 mayoral aspect well there there it's more challenging because uh it was um the alberta

00:23:17.620 government was very late in the game to finalize the rules that to be really clear about that they

00:23:22.420 They should have got the final rules much sooner because to ask somebody to hold back and, you know, wait for a process by which we can have a nomination against like three or four good center-right conservative type mayoral candidates, we've already got people that jumped in.

00:23:43.240 And I don't know if there's anything we can do to undo that, right?

00:23:46.740 So the way I look at it right now is we win with eight council members.

00:23:52.420 And the other side, of course, winning the mayor would be a fantastic bonus, but it's a bit different with politics in, you know, in municipal politics.

00:24:03.580 You can actually win with eight council members. And right now there's two or three reasonably good mayoral candidates.

00:24:12.240 We might even have one of them jump on with ABC Party. But I don't see the ego factor being overcome in this case.

00:24:21.680 I think there's going to be some good center-right mayoral candidates running against each other.

00:24:26.960 The only hope that we have is that there's maybe two or three on the left that are also running against each other.

00:24:32.140 But that's unfortunate.

00:24:33.500 If we would have got the party system in place earlier, we could have had the system to narrow the field with the mayoral candidates in place.

00:24:42.760 And it's just a little bit late in the game for us to narrow the field now.

00:24:46.620 Yeah, so it looks like you've got about five months ahead of you, perhaps, until the municipal election hits.

00:24:53.620 You know, it sounds like a long time to some people, but it's going to go pretty fast.

00:24:57.460 You know, you really want to get on the ground, knocking doors, establishing people.

00:25:01.060 So the bypass vote portion is behind you.

00:25:04.400 I imagine nominations are going to be coming pretty soon for the rest.

00:25:07.780 Yeah, we had to do the bypass vote.

00:25:09.400 We had four awards associations on standby saying we've got a candidate we want to declare.

00:25:16.460 I said, just wait until the bypass vote is done.

00:25:19.680 So we do have four candidates that will become official candidates that have gone through the vetting and nomination process.

00:25:26.260 And we'll be able to make those announcements here over the next week.

00:25:29.680 And they are going to be opening up new nominations in about four to six additional awards.

00:25:35.080 So there's, you know, we don't necessarily have to have all 14.

00:25:38.280 Of course, ideally, we have 13 ward associations formed, but we do have very strong candidates, and I believe we'll get to that place of having 10, 12 very strong candidates by the time election rolls around.

00:25:52.140 So what about policy and even branding for the party?

00:25:56.900 I mean, you want that consistency, yet at the same time, you want to allow some flexibility among candidates to speak for their local constituents.

00:26:03.560 It's a little different with municipal and interesting.

00:26:06.000 So are there going to be, I guess, some broad policy statements they'll commit to or something of that sort?

00:26:12.480 Yeah, I mean, the party itself, we established ourselves on the idea of being truly democratic memberships with voting powers.

00:26:19.740 We're the only party that's truly a political party where our members have a vote.

00:26:24.440 So we're distinguishing ourselves that way.

00:26:26.880 But but but in addition, you know, we want to make sure that we that we have in place a system where it's our candidates, nominated candidates that get into the weeds of policy.

00:26:41.620 Right. So once we have that first group of four candidates selected, they'll get together and they'll start announcing a policy platform that's reflective of the party.

00:26:51.400 We have common principles, that we have 10 principles that we, I think, are beliefs of most centre-right citizens of Calgary that say, well, that's just common sense.

00:27:03.980 But actual policies, we decide we let the candidates really formulate that.

00:27:09.400 And the first group of candidates will be doing that over the next couple of weeks where we'll see some actual policy announcements.

00:27:15.180 I think really exciting and interesting policy announcements being made by those candidates who are nominated, who are our official candidates for ABC Party.

00:27:24.700 Great. And as a party, though, I mean, it's so there's going to be people kind of moving in the same direction and working together, but it won't be quite as rigid as, I guess, the party system on the federal and provincial levels.

00:27:35.720 Like there's not going to be whipped votes and things like that in a council chamber.

00:27:39.680 There's going to be more leeway for the individuals, I gather.

00:27:42.400 Oh, 100%.

00:27:43.140 That's the big difference is municipalities, you know, yes, the mayor has a lot of power,

00:27:49.800 but it's not the same as yet the leader of a party who's, you know, the premier or the

00:27:54.160 prime minister.

00:27:54.820 It's not the same at all.

00:27:56.360 And so it gives more power to the actual council member.

00:28:02.900 And that's actually a good thing.

00:28:04.840 I mean, I wish we had that in federal and provincial politics, the empowerment of a

00:28:09.180 a person that represents a specific ward, I think makes a lot of sense. So we're going to capture

00:28:15.260 some of the benefit of the uniqueness of municipal politics, where the council member will have a lot

00:28:21.340 of say and not be forced to vote one way or another. There'll be coalitions formed and that

00:28:24.960 kind of thing. But the advantage of a political party is that most people don't pay attention

00:28:31.020 until election day. And then they go and vote and they vote based on name recognition. Most

00:28:36.260 signs out there they don't really know what the um what the persons that are running an award

00:28:43.120 what they represent and if we have a brand and a center conservative brand if somebody goes and

00:28:50.560 votes they heard about the better calgary party they went to the website they heard about the

00:28:55.020 platform and the policies and and they go now into the voting booth they may not know the name

00:29:01.880 of the person they're voting for, but they'll know the brand. And that's typical, unfortunately,

00:29:06.820 for most voters. They say, I'm voting UCP or I'm voting NDP. That is going to help people to know

00:29:13.540 what the various parties stand for. And you can then align yourself with that party. And it's

00:29:20.020 easier for people to know what they're voting for. Yeah, well, I'd certainly hope you guys can get

00:29:24.840 folks in who better reflect Calgary. It's always been kind of a provincial embarrassment. You know,

00:29:28.620 so consistently conservative on the provincial front and on the federal front and then we

00:29:32.380 elect some of these these crazy hard left loons into our civic government at times if we could 0.97

00:29:38.140 just have the electorate pay a little better attention at voting time i suspect that trend

00:29:42.780 could stop absolutely uh and and i think uh it just comes down to vote splitting and it's

00:29:48.620 harder to organize conservatives because again the unions have leverage uh they use that leverage to

00:29:54.460 narrow the field to one person in every ward one mayoral candidate that put the money massive amount

00:29:59.500 of money behind that and because we've got multiple candidates uh all believing that they're the best

00:30:05.820 and i understand that the only way to narrow the field is a nomination process have a race between

00:30:12.140 good people and narrow it down to one behind which we all can rally so this is transition

00:30:18.300 time this is what we're about is helping to educate the advantage of a political party system

00:30:23.580 and the advantage of one where members actually have a vote and that's what abc party is all about

00:30:29.740 excellent well i appreciate that so uh before i i let you go how could people find you guys to to

00:30:35.260 take part or ask more questions or or you know support you absolutely go to our website at

00:30:41.500 bettercalgaryparty.ca um and there you'll be able to read about the principles of the party sign up

00:30:48.700 If you want to become a member, you can do that.

00:30:51.460 But right now, just sign up and you'll be on the receiving end of communications.

00:30:55.820 And over the next two weeks, we're going to have some really exciting good news in terms of our candidates and introduce them to our members and new nominations that are opening up across the city.

00:31:06.440 So we want people to hear about it and get involved.

00:31:08.960 We can, again, we're the only party where membership, have a voice and have a vote.

00:31:14.060 So that's, I think, an important distinguishing factor.

00:31:17.260 Excellent.

00:31:17.700 Well, I appreciate you coming on to talk to us today and what you're up to.

00:31:20.700 We'll be watching the municipal campaign as it unfolds with great interest.

00:31:24.700 I hope we'll have you on again to talk about things perhaps after your nominations and see what's getting ramped up.

00:31:30.620 Thanks so much, Corey, for having us.

00:31:32.520 I know that you guys have been in the weeds with so many big issues all across Canada,

00:31:37.000 and we do have to start focusing about the local municipalities as well.

00:31:40.840 It really does matter, but thanks for having us.

00:31:43.180 Oh, thank you.

00:31:43.900 Yeah, no, it's – we overlook the municipal far too often.

00:31:47.500 it's time that changed. So I appreciate you guys bringing it to the fore and then we'll talk again

00:31:50.860 soon. Absolutely. Have a great day. Right on. Thanks. You too. So that was Roy Beyer of A Better

00:31:56.780 Calgary Party. And as he said, you know, this is something, this is something we're sinners guys,

00:32:00.640 as conservatives, as Albertans, and it happens across the country. The closest level of government

00:32:05.800 to you is the municipal government. They're the ones who have the most direct impact on most of

00:32:12.420 your aspects in life. Yet often a lot of people can't even name their local councillor. And then

00:32:17.760 they wonder why they get such insane policies coming down the pipe. You wonder why you weren't

00:32:22.380 consulted on things like zoning changes. You wonder why the city council is dominated by

00:32:27.340 wokesters who are doing virtue signaling rather than dealing with issues like crime on the streets

00:32:32.380 or potholes for that matter. So I'm pretty pumped. I'm looking forward to this because this is a

00:32:39.580 different approach. Let's get people participating, paying attention, looking at these issues,

00:32:46.140 set the apathy aside. We've had some municipal elections, I think, historically that have

00:32:51.420 gotten turnouts as low as, I believe, 20% in Calgary and things like that. Like, guys,

00:32:56.140 you're paying a lot of tax for services, policing, roads, garbage, parks, and you're not getting a

00:33:04.820 good return on it. And these guys get away with it because they slide under the radar.

00:33:10.680 You know, there's a couple of councillors I'll name. I mean, they weren't necessarily bad people,

00:33:15.420 but they made careers out of being on city council in Calgary. One was Dale Hodges. He was there for

00:33:22.740 something like 30 years. He was there from the 80s until just a few years ago. And Ray Jones was

00:33:29.140 another one. He just left a few years ago. He was there for decades on Calgary city council. You

00:33:33.320 know what most people never heard of either of them because those guys learned they follow the

00:33:40.620 strategy of nobody moves nobody gets hurt they would fly under the radar they wouldn't take

00:33:44.820 controversial stances they just kind of put in their day's work and stay in the background they

00:33:51.680 weren't active on social media they were just there for decades and because their incumbents

00:33:58.180 they're almost impossible to dislodge because nobody was paying attention and they just were

00:34:03.260 like mushrooms sitting in there. Dale Hodges used to be notorious for what he would do during council

00:34:08.320 meetings. If something controversial came up, they'd have to vote on and everything. He would

00:34:12.680 suddenly get a stomach issue and excuse himself from the council chambers until the vote had

00:34:19.140 passed and then he would find his way back. So that way he wouldn't have to vote on either side

00:34:22.440 of it and he wouldn't end up in the papers and he could keep remaining as an invisible council

00:34:27.420 member and sitting in there. That's not doing anybody any favors. And again, they weren't

00:34:34.240 necessarily bad people, but they were mediocre and they would never take on anything of significance.

00:34:39.320 And it's got to stop. Let's see here. Just looking at some of the comments from Ruckin.

00:34:46.860 Corey, do you think that common sense changes need to come from our independent government,

00:34:49.580 a clear set of rules that fit none of this extra fluff bylaws, keep it simple? That's an issue

00:34:56.440 particularly with municipal governments is and every government getting outside of their mandate

00:35:03.280 I mean they you know it's the busy body nature of authoritarians of politicians in general they

00:35:10.140 want to get in on everything I mean people don't go into politics to not control things right

00:35:14.540 so municipally is bad yes fluff bylaws I mean I remember dominance for weeks uh the conversation

00:35:23.960 and Calgary Council being dominated over banning shark fin soup in Chinatown. Like, really? That's

00:35:32.340 a city of one and a half million people and that's the biggest thing you clowns are going to talk 0.98

00:35:36.560 about for a couple of weeks? I mean, I understand there's some terrible fishing practices and 0.92

00:35:41.080 wasteful and cruel with shark finning and things like that, but at what point is that the role of

00:35:45.780 city government to micromanage the menu of a restaurant. That's how bad it is. Other things,

00:35:54.920 I mean, they harm businesses on so many levels. If you want free enterprise, you want things going on

00:35:59.820 in your area. It's not just Calgary. Any municipality, as Alberta Nan saying,

00:36:04.700 the bylaws in Fort McMurray are ridiculous. Yes, they are. And they choke businesses terribly. Me 0.94

00:36:10.020 with the MD of Foothills, when I, and that's a rural one, when I own my pub and coffee shop,

00:36:15.060 Oh, some of the hoops we had to jump through and the garbage for a simple pub and coffee shop.

00:36:20.480 And they cost us as business owners thousands of dollars a year in a small business to be compliant.

00:36:27.740 It costs, you know, millions when you get into the big business.

00:36:29.960 And usually it's just a matter of satisfying bureaucrats not actually having any bylaws that have any impact on protecting or not protecting people in general. 0.91

00:36:40.640 They're self-beating, loathsome, pointy-headed monsters, bureaucrats are on every level of 1.00

00:36:47.540 government. I mean, I'm not a fan of President Trump. One of the things I have said, though, 0.99

00:36:54.180 that I've kind of liked, even though he's kind of done it with a chainsaw in that sense,

00:36:57.340 the doge idea with Elon Musk getting in and cutting into the bureaucracy, because that's

00:37:03.000 the problem with governments all over the place on every level. You've got all these people who

00:37:09.320 just, they're parasitic. They exist for the sake of making regulations to keep themselves working, 0.77

00:37:15.620 to draw a large salary. I mean, again, getting to Calgary, for example, somebody gave me that

00:37:21.160 job ad that came up for it. It showed in Calgary, almost $200,000 a year for a person to be

00:37:28.640 essentially a diversity, equity, and inclusion manager. So somebody to bring in race-based

00:37:35.180 hiring and enforce that within the city. Almost $200,000 a year. And it showed on the job ad

00:37:40.840 saying you will have the standard 35 hours per week. Well, wait a minute. In the real world,

00:37:48.380 standard is 40 hours a week. And then it also said you'll get every, I believe it was every

00:37:53.200 third Friday off altogether. Plus you get a few weeks of vacation. This is just a complete waste

00:38:01.380 of time, complete waste of money. You don't need that position whatsoever. And you look at Calgary

00:38:08.800 City Hall, the giant, as Rick Bell likes to say in his columns, the big blue playpen. It's a giant

00:38:14.760 blue building full of offices and bureaucrats that all they bloody well do is hinder development, 0.99

00:38:22.280 hinder businesses, get in your face while at the same time you walk in the alleys of downtown 0.97

00:38:27.780 calgary and all you can smell is urine from the homeless people you can't ride the train because 1.00

00:38:32.500 of the disorder on there body shops and and uh tire shops are doing great trade because people

00:38:41.220 are knocking their tires off their rims on the potholes but city council is naval gazing and

00:38:47.460 doing things like they did in calgary on banning paper bags yes not even plastic wasn't good enough 0.99

00:38:52.820 they banned paper bags they actually had to back off on that one of those fools 0.98

00:38:57.780 but whose fault is it? See, there's where part of the problem with a lot of citizens don't like to 0.96

00:39:04.180 talk about that, but that's the truth of it. Guys, in a democracy, and I know ours is imperfect,

00:39:08.740 but it is a democracy. We have the means, we have the ability. It's on us. We have to participate.

00:39:14.980 We have to get off our butts. We have to pay attention to who's running, what they're standing 0.89

00:39:19.560 for. And then we've actually got to get out there and vote or run or support. A commenter, Jay

00:39:30.860 Smoke, focus on my title. The countdown has begun for an Alberta referendum. Yeah. Well, the nature

00:39:35.280 of my show, that's where I start the show off and talk on things. And I'll talk on these things

00:39:38.400 as we go throughout. But my show covers a number of issues. I'm going to talk to Nadine Ness pretty

00:39:43.860 soon. And that'll be kind of back on that subject, but from a Saskatchewan perspective. But all of

00:39:48.600 these things tie together actually. They really do. I'm talking about participation in municipal

00:39:53.380 politics because it's important and it will empower you and it will strengthen you. And that

00:39:57.860 translates as well to provincial and federal and a referendum. That means people have to get off

00:40:08.120 their asses. This is going to be interesting. The parties won't be a part of that. This will be a 0.99

00:40:12.540 democratic exercise of individuals. Different groups are going to campaign in this, but

00:40:20.120 theoretically in 2026, there's going to be a yes or no vote. I'm sure there's going to be a bit of

00:40:26.060 squabbling over what the phrasing of that vote will be, but it'll be whether or not to stay

00:40:31.760 within the federation. And again, as I said, this is history making. No Western province has ever

00:40:37.840 done this. No province aside from Quebec has ever done this. The polling right now is interesting

00:40:44.960 to say the least. Exciting. 36% in Alberta and you're getting over 30% it looks like in

00:40:51.760 Saskatchewan looking at that. But remember guys, that's still getting into the 15 to 20% too short

00:40:58.140 to win a referendum. So if it's going to happen, there's still a heck of a lot more groundwork to

00:41:03.420 be done to reach the winning conditions of it. And, uh, with it being a year away, it's looking

00:41:11.440 most likely. Well, again, that's a lot of time and it's very little time at the, you know,

00:41:16.720 both at the same time, right? Cause it's going to pass fast, but, uh, you also got to keep

00:41:22.780 things going while the, you know, as they say, strike while the iron's hot. I like that it's

00:41:26.300 been cooled down a bit. Uh, commenter saying, I reckon saying, I organized Jeffrey Rath and

00:41:31.380 Keith Wilson to come on. I had Keith Wilson on my show. If you want to look back on the past shows,

00:41:35.800 he was on on Wednesday and we had a very good discussion. People talking about getting groups

00:41:42.000 together to pursue independence and head towards a referendum. We don't need to get them together.

00:41:48.700 You can join a bunch of them if you want. You see, there's where you get out of the party thing,

00:41:53.020 though. See, parties by nature are competitive with each other. Even if they're both, and in

00:41:59.740 Alberta, we've got five independence parties. Well, they're all competing with each other

00:42:03.420 when really the only goal is the independence, is the referendum. So don't worry about the parties.

00:42:12.100 They don't matter. We've got to focus on the referendum and that's just one person, one vote,

00:42:17.900 one way or left or right, yes or no. And if you start sidetracking down these little fiefdoms

00:42:22.900 people are trying to create with their own little personal political parties, you're just wasting

00:42:25.980 your time, your effort, your shoe leather. I mean, there's good people involved in them, sure. And

00:42:31.120 very well-meaning people involved in them. But you remember, you've only got so much capital to

00:42:36.620 invest as a citizen in this upcoming referendum. And I mean, mental capital, I mean, physical with

00:42:42.420 your money, I, you know, just in general. So if you're splitting it by messing around with a bunch

00:42:47.720 of your time, playing with these political parties that can't combine to make 1% of the vote,

00:42:51.640 you could have been dedicating that time to building the base for a winning condition in

00:42:56.520 a referendum so prioritize your energy i mean don't join this alberta republican party really

00:43:03.440 i mean it was already a name that's divisive among people who want independence why why

00:43:10.860 you know uh jay smoke saying uh disagree they're confusing people and it will fail well i don't

00:43:15.680 know if we just ignore them or sidetrack them or point them out like the republicans are a

00:43:21.640 people won't waste their time on them. And there's a few good people involved with the

00:43:25.300 Republican Party too, I'm sure. But we just got to dismiss them. There are groups and it's going

00:43:32.480 to have to be by groups, not parties. And that's where Premier Smith has been kind of smart about

00:43:36.260 it. She said, it's in the hands of the people. It's up to them in a referendum. I'm kind of out

00:43:42.680 of it. I'm dealing with our governing Alberta and dealing with Ottawa with what I can. And that's

00:43:48.880 up to the people if they want to have a referendum on that and they will vote which way they please.

00:43:53.120 And that's the way it's got to be. Likewise, and it segues well into bringing Nadine on to talk

00:43:58.780 about what's going on in Saskatchewan because it's very similar. We're seeing the football being

00:44:02.660 played politically. And it's funny with the opponents of independence, the first thing they

00:44:08.380 want to do is take away our ability to even have a vote on it. And that's kind of what your

00:44:11.980 discussion is over there, isn't it, Nadine? It is. It is. And it was interesting listening to you

00:44:18.860 because I just want to make a point to the point you were making

00:44:23.040 about the political parties and the groups and stuff.

00:44:26.600 One of the things I think that will make our organization more successful,

00:44:30.100 we're nonpartisan.

00:44:31.640 We will work with whichever party we need to work with

00:44:34.800 to bring influence this change.

00:44:37.200 And in fact, last night, I may have just triggered the NDP

00:44:40.720 because Carla Beck was basically saying the reason Scott Mo

00:44:44.840 and danielle smith are entertaining this referendum thing or saying they have a voice

00:44:50.300 is because they're afraid of losing their seats and i gave a warning to carla beck i said we can

00:44:54.340 come after your job too i said you had what 200 people at your convention last uh leadership

00:45:00.380 review we could easily bring 400 people there so it's just it's just kind of funny like i'm willing

00:45:08.000 to work like imagine if every single party had a leader that was willing to defend our provinces

00:45:14.880 whether it's alberta or saskatchewan that was willing to go toe-to-toe with ottawa and defend

00:45:20.280 our province and but that's the thing we we're seeing we don't have that with the ndp because

00:45:25.300 they want the same agenda the liberals are pushing they i mean ndp it's both federal

00:45:31.360 provincial it's the same thing so so but yeah yeah we've we've triggered the ndp they're trying

00:45:37.640 to pass a bill or get a bill passed to stop us from being able to do a referendum and and

00:45:45.320 they're trying to stop the government from being able to call one and but I'm not someone that

00:45:52.600 believes in can't so if I have to to bring 400 people to the NDP convention let's let's do it

00:46:00.980 so well yeah and i mean the bottom line is they're opposing the mechanism not even the concept

00:46:08.460 they're saying we don't trust the citizens of saskatchewan vote in a referendum we don't want

00:46:15.920 to give them the vote because we don't trust that they will vote the way we want them to it's as

00:46:20.280 anti-democratic as you can imagine it's it's i'm actually shocked at the level that they're going

00:46:28.940 But I think it has something to do with the NDP has been so much in their echo chamber.

00:46:35.220 They don't think that people in the real world think outside of them.

00:46:39.040 They think that they're the only ones and they're the only right ones.

00:46:42.700 And I don't think they realize that what they're doing right now is actually a big misstep.

00:46:47.260 I think it's going to have a really negative effect in the NDP party.

00:46:51.660 I'm even seeing people commenting, just let them have a voice, let them have a vote.

00:46:56.280 And, and those are, these are people who are supportive of NDP. I mean, you won't have like the far, far left, but you will have these, these reasonable NDP voters. And I do think there's such a thing. I do think a lot of people kind of in the middle that ended up going that way, maybe because of healthcare or education or one of those things.

00:47:19.320 But I think for the most part, when they're seeing this and this of taking the voice away, I think it's going to backfire.

00:47:27.900 And when people get told that, when the government tells people they can't do something like that, I think it activates something in them to want to get more involved.

00:47:37.340 And we've seen that.

00:47:38.820 As soon as they started talking about that, what happened, our petition signatures started going way up.

00:47:46.400 Yeah, well, something that's been interesting in the polling that came out from Angus Reid recently that I was referencing where we're looking at getting into the 30 some percent support for independence was a question they asked, and I'm glad they did, whether people support a referendum even being held on independence.

00:48:02.900 And that came in at 50 percent. So there are more people supporting having the referendum than people committing themselves already to a yes vote.

00:48:10.560 But that tells me that some of the people opposing independence still want to have it.

00:48:14.660 They're saying, let's get it on the table.

00:48:16.720 Let's have our vote then and get it done.

00:48:19.100 There's people who can oppose independence, but still respect democracy.

00:48:23.240 Hold it and let's see.

00:48:25.620 It is exactly that.

00:48:27.040 It's a direct attack on democracy.

00:48:30.100 I made a tweet about this.

00:48:31.560 I said, does the new Democratic Party know what democracy means?

00:48:35.920 they they have it directly in their name but their behavior has been the complete opposite

00:48:42.100 and i think that this is going to backfire huge and and the thing even when we put out that warning

00:48:48.580 to them uh that we're like we're strongly condemning this they they just double down and go

00:48:54.340 even further further ahead so we're like okay what what do we do next um i don't think it's

00:49:00.960 going to pass. If anything, this is actually making the SAS party look like the reasonable

00:49:05.840 calm, headache, uh, democracy supporting party. And it's making the NDP look authoritarian.

00:49:13.440 Basically. Yeah. Like they know best what, what, what's best for the people that, that we,

00:49:18.720 they can't even trust the people to make their own decisions. So, uh, again, this is not shocking

00:49:25.500 coming from the NDP they haven't really been the the party of reason so but but yeah we'll see how

00:49:32.840 it plays out in in the future I don't know when they're planning on voting on this so so we'll

00:49:38.160 see what will happen so what kind of legislation is in place currently in Saskatchewan for for

00:49:45.240 a referenda is it is it achievable or is it something kind of ridiculous like Alberta's

00:49:49.920 which is changing? Or is there any at all? We do. Okay, so I got to clarify, it's not the same

00:49:56.640 as Alberta, we don't have a citizen led petition option for a referendum. We do have something

00:50:03.980 that citizens can do. It's it's called a plebiscite. So basically, we gather 15% of the

00:50:10.500 voter's signature, which would be around 122,000. And once we have that a vote gets put to the

00:50:17.120 public. However, it's non-binding. So the government doesn't need to do anything about it,

00:50:22.320 even if people vote for more. A referendum is, but the referendum can only be initiated by the

00:50:29.040 government, not the public. So when we're doing our efforts, like if you go to our website,

00:50:35.460 unifiedgrassroots.com, and you click register for petition, that's not the actual petition for the

00:50:41.120 plebiscite. That's going to be coming on later on once we've done all the town halls, gathered all

00:50:46.560 the information what do the people actually want and so we're going to be doing that over the next

00:50:50.920 two three months and then eventually we'll have the plebiscite petition posted we'll reach out to

00:50:56.820 all the people who registered to get signatures we'll do signature drives with thousands of

00:51:01.680 volunteers but the the other option that we press for more of is get more involved in the political

00:51:09.900 parties in your province. And we don't say which one. In some areas, it might be NDP. If your MLA

00:51:17.440 is an NDP, you could potentially get involved. So we say buy a party membership. We don't say

00:51:22.300 which one. Again, we're nonpartisan. Show up at the AGM of each constituency boards has an AGM

00:51:29.340 once a year. Show up there. If you show up, most AGM board election, like a constituency association

00:51:36.720 board election get elected by 10 people usually it's the mlas bring their friends and family 0.99

00:51:41.280 so you you might need 15 people show up and then you have the boards and ultimately they're the

00:51:47.440 ones who determine what policy gets sent to convention and i know this is dry but it's so

00:51:52.060 important people understand the democratic rights that they have in saskatchewan and alberta alberta

00:51:57.380 is very similar and then at convention you show up with with four or five hundred people like

00:52:03.140 the convention for the sass party had i think 680 people the convention for the ndp i'm told was

00:52:10.960 between 200 and 300 it might not even have been 200 i was told they put round tables to make it

00:52:16.980 look so full imagine if we showed up with 400 people there we get voted in the policies priority

00:52:23.280 the same thing can be done in the nomination election like when when you have a candidate

00:52:28.200 it show up on the ballot, really, if we organize the masses, the 125,000 people, NDP party only has

00:52:37.060 like 6,700 members. So like, really, when you think about it, SAS party is a bit more, it's 27,000.

00:52:45.840 So, but, but really, there's so much better ways to be more effective than just signing a petition,

00:52:53.200 but people need to be willing to get off the couch and show up at that one meeting that's when the

00:52:59.000 board is getting elected at the constituency association level it's it's one one meeting a

00:53:06.220 year at the convention it's once I think every two years so so we're we're going to take a whole

00:53:12.320 maybe approach multi-level approach as an organization and then you have other groups

00:53:18.420 as well that are doing their own thing that probably will help when we do have the pleasant

00:53:22.600 petition to get signatures so and I don't want to say that one avenue is better than the other

00:53:29.380 either because I think all of them combined makes becomes really effective for change and and we've

00:53:38.080 already seen change like if you watch the legislature I think it was a few days ago

00:53:42.660 our organization and my name personally was brought up multiple times by the NDP

00:53:47.560 and SAS parties say, no, we're not going to silence the voice of the people. We're already

00:53:52.340 having influencing government to the point they're so afraid they're trying to pass legislation to

00:53:57.640 stop us. So even that it's making its way to Ottawa. Mark Carney knows that there's momentum

00:54:03.840 building that the people are organizing. The NDP party, I'm sure they're afraid now after I warned

00:54:10.180 Carla Beck yesterday, we can come for your job too. Like we have the numbers. Do you think you

00:54:15.180 can actually bring several thousands of people to show up at your convention maybe maybe not but

00:54:19.820 even that is influencing change in its own and I see this as way more Canadians kind of waking up

00:54:27.460 and getting motivated to get involved in our democratic processes and and that in itself will

00:54:33.920 also have positive effect if you have way more people who show up for nomination races for board

00:54:38.840 election for conventions, it's less likely for foreign interference to be as effective that as

00:54:45.880 it has been because they know not many people show up. So we're just trying to activate the

00:54:51.480 Saskatchewan residents to say, hey, if you want to protect your province, if you want to protect

00:54:58.020 your way of life, these are the different avenues that you can go to do that. So and I think that's

00:55:03.180 why the NMP is afraid of me. And I know all of this because I used to be a lefty. So I'm just

00:55:07.980 they're they're they're really good at this they've been doing this with the unions with

00:55:11.540 the non-profit organization and the right never really had a whole lot up until the last few

00:55:16.880 years and now boom it's just it's just growing and we're learning these different ways of getting

00:55:22.920 involved so so your group is united grassroots i mean you know it's been around for a while though

00:55:29.760 i mean you guys are pursuing more than just independence votes like you've got other

00:55:34.040 aspects, you know, policy-wise or agenda-wise on your group's plate, what else are you guys

00:55:39.220 promoting? So we were behind pushing the, well, is it okay if I bring it up? I guess, do you have

00:55:47.220 our website? We have a list of things that we kind of had to define ourselves for what we're

00:55:53.060 going to fight for. So I'll list them quickly. So holding government accountable, liberty and

00:55:57.740 personal freedom. So you and I may have been on a different page when it came to what happened

00:56:03.200 during COVID, but that that's when we were born out of, we weren't a deniers of COVID or anything.

00:56:07.900 We were just not okay with the government telling people what to do. Um, we're for informed consent

00:56:13.160 and patient focused healthcare for funding students, not system. So the parental rights

00:56:18.560 kind of goes into that. We, we want the focus to be the students, not the systems around them.

00:56:24.120 So, and, and we, that, that goes along with school choice and, and the money follows the child.

00:56:29.540 We want low and fair taxes. We want unleashing Canadian energy and resources, preserving Canadian

00:56:35.880 culture through sustainable immigration. So we're not necessarily anti-immigration. We want it to be

00:56:41.900 sustainable. And that's not what we've seen in the last few years. And that's not what Mark Carney

00:56:46.540 just announced, the 5%. That's no different than what we've seen in the last few years. And the 0.72

00:56:52.640 biggest one that we're focusing right now is protecting Saskatchewan sovereignty. But if you

00:56:58.360 look at the work we've done we've helped building leaders conference to try to bring industry

00:57:03.480 experts to help activists with their messaging we we also help people run campaigns so so for

00:57:10.680 example there was 30 school board trustee campaigns in the province that we assisted so when I say

00:57:16.660 assisted it's not financially we just sent a bunch of volunteers their way we we have 80,000 members

00:57:22.380 and followers so when we kind of do this stuff if they tell us they want to volunteer we say okay

00:57:26.980 what do you want to do and then we send them in the right direction to kind of support our mission

00:57:31.340 so and we had 25 of those school board trustees get elected so it was super successful and we

00:57:36.660 told people to get involved in nomination race we we encourage people to run some people run that

00:57:41.500 was a part of our group or followed our group that i didn't even know about them but they were just

00:57:46.600 encouraged by by everything that's been going on and ran and won so but you're you're seeing a lot

00:57:52.040 of that right now being played out in the media. They're trying to attack some, some SAS party

00:57:56.660 members because they were a part of our, our organization on the Facebook group. But when

00:58:02.220 you think about it, we are like more conservative leaning. I would call ourselves a conservative

00:58:07.000 grassroots organization. Most of our mission fall in line with the, in line with the conservative

00:58:13.560 movement, but it's really just organizing and activating the masses and get them more involved

00:58:20.440 in politics. And I'm new to politics. Like I said, I voted liberal, I voted for Trudeau his first

00:58:27.500 go around. I was so naive. I was so like one of those like, NPC voters, where you just believe

00:58:33.780 everything the media tells you. And I didn't pay very much attention. And I think now realizing

00:58:41.240 government policies really does affect your personal lives. I don't know if it did as much

00:58:47.580 20, 30 years ago. But we saw that in the last few years that everything is kind of encroaching into

00:58:54.040 your home and into your family and your way of life. And I don't think we're going to be able to

00:59:01.660 go in the right direction unless people activate and on a massive level. And that's what we teach

00:59:07.540 people to do. Well, I really appreciate it. I mean, getting citizen engagement, it's a lot of

00:59:12.920 work but it's so very important and i'm glad to see a group like yours and yourself working on it

00:59:18.020 in saskatchewan to keep those things rolling so just kind of remind everybody that's at united

00:59:22.640 grassroots uh unitedgrassroots.com unified grassroots unified my apologize that's okay

00:59:30.000 john's got it right on the screen so that's why unified grassroots thank you and uh where else

00:59:37.320 can people find you and what you're up to before i let you go yeah if they want to follow me i'm

00:59:41.520 very active on x so if you search nadine g ness on all platform i also do a youtube show it was

00:59:48.300 daily but we because i'm so busy with this we've we had to move it to twice a week so you can listen

00:59:53.100 there we're going to be talking a lot about independence getting some some guests in and

00:59:58.560 but yeah the the website if you're from saskatchewan and you want to sign up go to the

01:00:03.060 website it says petition registration or you can just sign up regular and i want to say something

01:00:08.140 Corey too, that people may not know because you can join our website without doing the whole

01:00:13.240 petition. If you look at the signatures of the website, I think I'm just going to go back and

01:00:18.400 see how many it says. It's not an accurate description as to how many people have joined

01:00:22.820 the movement. Cause some people have just signed up on our website. We've had several thousands

01:00:27.220 sign up on our website. And I think our petition is at 3,363. But if you add all of them, we're

01:00:33.880 probably over 6,000 right now. So, so it's a little bit misleading to have those signatures

01:00:39.020 there because there's way more that are just kind of signing through the join button.

01:00:44.540 Great. Well, thank you very much again for joining today. We'll be watching Saskatchewan

01:00:49.060 of interest and see if things are moving parallel to Alberta. Perfect. Thank you so much for having

01:00:54.340 me, Corey. Great. Thanks. So that was Nadine Ness of Unified Grassroots. I'll get it right at the

01:01:00.240 end here anyways and uh you know if you're in saskatchewan you're interested you want to get

01:01:04.260 on board check them out take part i mean that's been kind of the theme for the show today with 0.96

01:01:09.380 with roy to begin with and maybe later in general it's up to us you got to get off your butts you

01:01:14.100 got to get active you got to take part the the terms participatory democracy it only works if

01:01:21.020 you participate and uh you know a lot of the discussion i'm seeing through the the uh the

01:01:27.040 comments section there. I see one commenter pointing out, uh, somebody said Facebook, you see

01:01:31.720 Facebook, uh, just to clarify some things actually, uh, kicked all the media groups off of there. So

01:01:37.480 we pretty much have no basis there anymore. We still broadcast to it. So it is a, a small amount,

01:01:41.940 uh, Mr. Hutton, if you do want to, uh, you know, have more discussion with the people in the

01:01:46.240 comments, probably get on YouTube where most of the folks are. And a lot of those comments

01:01:50.620 have really been appreciated. It's been good discussion to watch that going on, on here.

01:01:54.240 when we're again it's definitely the independence issue has been top of mind in Saskatchewan out

01:02:03.520 here we got a lot of work to do if you really want it to get somewhere I mean I don't know

01:02:08.260 if that 36 percent can turn into over 50 percent in in a referendum that's a year away that's a

01:02:16.060 big chunk to make I mean this is a serious big issue but I tell you what if next year it came

01:02:22.020 in at 40% in an actual referendum on the ground. That's pretty serious business. This is 40% of a

01:02:29.020 province saying we've had it with the federation and we want out. And hopefully, though I doubt it,

01:02:35.960 but hopefully, you know, the powers that be will be paying attention and realize that this country

01:02:42.440 is going to be ripped to pieces if they don't make real changes. Here's part of the challenge.

01:02:50.060 one of the things people got to realize it's the system not the party everybody's furious right now

01:02:56.880 because we've had 10 years of god-awful liberal government and then because you know in reward

01:03:03.240 for that terrible terrible government central canada went and gave them a larger mandate

01:03:07.840 which is annoying it's frustrating it's maddening it's because the culture in central canada is

01:03:13.080 different than the culture in the west contrary to what uh blanchet said in quebec

01:03:17.620 and because of our system not allowing representation for the different regions

01:03:26.080 it forces us to be at each other's throats if you had more independence sovereignty within the

01:03:32.540 provinces as it was supposed to be in a federation anyways we wouldn't be as upset and divided as we

01:03:38.280 are but unfortunately we're stuffed under a giant federal government that gets into every aspect of

01:03:42.540 our lives, from school lunches for children to terrible federal laws to, of course, the

01:03:48.300 equalization. And as Lynn, the commenter, pointing out, we don't have equal voter or

01:03:55.380 Senate representation. Yeah, we're underrepresented in the House of Commons when you look at members

01:03:59.980 per capita, particularly when it's compared to the Maritimes. And in the Senate, yeah,

01:04:05.960 we get totally ripped off in the Senate. So what are we supposed to do? But we got to remember,

01:04:12.840 guys, if you're just going to get mad when your party of choice doesn't come in, that's not real

01:04:16.280 support for independence. That's just partisan annoyance. What you've got to think harder on is

01:04:21.700 how well have conservative governments served the West traditionally? And then you realize that's

01:04:27.580 when you start to realize it's the system. Not that the conservative members are bad, not that

01:04:31.560 the Conservative leaders have been that bad, but they're forced by our system to pander to Central

01:04:36.880 Canada. One of the biggest ones I saw was with the Polyev when they were in opposition. The 0.99

01:04:43.840 population numbers and balances in Canada, Quebec had come to a point where they're actually, if we

01:04:48.500 were going to follow the rep by pop in the House of Commons, Quebec should have lost a seat.

01:04:55.280 Instead, they raised unholy hell and said, we got to guarantee the amount of seats for Quebec.

01:05:00.720 i believe it's 75 or something no matter what their population is so completely contrary to

01:05:08.360 representation by population and they put a motion forward in the house of commons let's keep quebec

01:05:12.860 happy let's keep quebec happy let's make sure we guarantee their seat so if there's only 100

01:05:16.680 quebecers left in that whole province 75 of them will be members of parliament 1.00

01:05:20.360 and many members of the conservative party voted yes on that too so are they doing us favors guys 0.90

01:05:29.060 we got screwed. Polyev absent to, he didn't go to the vote. And I don't have, I like Polyev in a

01:05:35.780 lot of things, but it showed the nature of our federal system. If you don't kiss Quebec's ass, 1.00

01:05:40.560 you don't win federal elections. Thus, the West will always get the short end of the stick. 1.00

01:05:44.940 Lynn said Harper tried. No, he didn't. The equalization formula was under Harper's

01:05:50.600 government and it was no better than any other equalization formula was. I mean, Harper drafted

01:05:55.860 the Alberta agenda. And I'm not saying Harper's a bad guy. He was a good prime minister, far better

01:05:59.380 than what we had with Trudeau. But he didn't change anything with the system. Couldn't. That's part of

01:06:04.720 it. He would try if he could have, but he's smart, smart man. You can't change it because it's the

01:06:09.880 system. Another beauty, we're going to go back into some political history with Alberta, was the height

01:06:18.580 of independence movements back in the 80s when Pierre Trudeau brought in the national energy

01:06:22.680 program and just ravaged Western Canada. You know, the people were walking away from their houses

01:06:28.760 because we had double digit interest rates. The economy cratered because of the federal

01:06:33.740 government attacking our energy sector. And then Mulroney got elected. Now, one of the aspects of

01:06:42.300 the national energy program was kind of ironic. Basically, it was going to force Alberta to sell

01:06:46.560 oil and gas at a discount to the rest of the country, while there was a tariff on it going

01:06:52.300 to other countries, you know, if we're exporting. But part of what was in that program was actually

01:06:57.320 if oil prices drop low enough, the rest of the country was supposed to pay an inflated price to

01:07:01.740 keep our industry stabilized. You see, it was supposed to be fair and go both ways. Well,

01:07:06.040 Mulroney got elected and he kept the national energy program in place for well over a year

01:07:11.780 past his time in office. He didn't quite rush to get rid of it until the oil prices collapsed.

01:07:18.240 And then suddenly Canada would have to pay in on the national energy program.

01:07:22.100 Then Mulroney said, yeah, we'll get rid of that now.

01:07:25.400 Yeah, guys, we got just as screwed by the conservatives as we did the liberals.

01:07:27.980 A lot of people forget that.

01:07:29.600 Later on as well, we saw what the, people might remember, you know,

01:07:33.820 not everybody was as gray as me in the audience.

01:07:35.340 I understand that.

01:07:36.320 But there was the contract for, I think it was CF-18s or one of the, yeah,

01:07:44.180 I'm pretty sure it was the CF-18 contract.

01:07:45.560 but I mean for aircraft, military manufacturing, Winnipeg had a far, far better bid for this

01:07:51.020 contract. Absolutely way out of the park better than anybody else. It just made total sense on

01:07:56.040 every level. You should give this contract to Winnipeg. Mulroney gave it to Quebec because

01:08:01.080 you always pander to Quebec. That's the nature of Canada. Polly have panders to Quebec. Harper 1.00

01:08:07.420 pandered to Quebec. It's the system, not the party. So how do we get out of the system? Again,

01:08:14.800 There were attempts kind of to change the system.

01:08:17.280 Meach Lake, Charlottetown, did those even come close to passing?

01:08:20.840 No, and they won't.

01:08:22.780 We can't.

01:08:23.740 See, there's the beautiful thing with constitutional amendments

01:08:25.700 is you do need seven out of ten provinces

01:08:28.680 and a whole bunch of things to get anything done. 0.99

01:08:30.860 They're always going to vote their parasites 0.99

01:08:33.020 to keep draining the rest of the province. 0.99

01:08:38.360 Sorry, CB fixes all.

01:08:40.720 A commenter said, address the question I posted.

01:08:42.840 Sorry, I didn't see it, whatever it might be then.

01:08:44.800 I'll scroll back in the comments. Uh, here we go. Uh, does, uh, Alberta need 51% of the eligible

01:08:51.680 voters or do we need 51% of the voters who voted in the last election? It makes a difference in

01:08:56.640 the votes needed. Okay. So are you talking about to invoke the, the, the referendum? I'll, I'll

01:09:04.420 work all the way through this to invoke the referendum. It used to be 20% of those eligible

01:09:12.000 to vote in the last election, which just made it a huge number. It's like 600,000 people. And it

01:09:17.580 had to be gotten within six, uh, within three months. Premier Smith's bill 54 is going to

01:09:25.360 change it. So you need 10% of those who voted and, uh, you get four months to do it. So it's

01:09:30.780 like 177,000 and, uh, within the four months, and then you can invoke the referendum. So the

01:09:37.340 commenter CB fixes all says to pass the referendum. From most interpretations, I see it's 51% of the

01:09:43.780 people who vote. You cannot bring into account the people who chose to sit on their asses. I don't 1.00

01:09:51.460 care what they think. I could not care less what they think if they're too lazy to vote. 0.84

01:09:57.080 We can't reverse engineer policy, particularly on a referendum, trying to guess how the people

01:10:02.760 who sat at home might have voted. So I know what you're saying. I know some people could say

01:10:06.560 if there was only 55% support in a referendum, but they say there was only an 80% turnout,

01:10:11.020 the other 20% would have voted to say. You can't say that. We don't know what the other 20% would

01:10:16.080 do. So the measure of the referendum success is based just on those who voted, not those eligible.

01:10:22.920 And you're saying the feds might fight that. Well, let them. Look, they're going to fight it

01:10:26.620 no matter what we do, no matter what we do. And they're going to try and make every excuse and

01:10:33.040 twist and turn. If you want, if you've ever had the missed pleasure of having a wood tick stuck

01:10:37.380 to you, I worked as a surveyor for 20 years and they're god awful things, you know, and you get

01:10:41.880 back to my hotel room at night and I take up a shirt, oh god they're on me, and they would see

01:10:45.260 you as soon as you reach in, you can see it cling in harder before you can remove the tick. Well

01:10:49.960 that's what the Canadian parasite provinces and leaders are going to do as western provinces get 0.99

01:10:54.460 closer to coming out. There are things even within the clarity act that talks about like 0.53

01:11:00.160 people are trying to muddy the waters. They're trying to throw things in, talk about all the

01:11:04.740 ways it can't happen. They said that First Nations have a veto. That's a load of baloney. They do not.

01:11:08.920 They cannot stop this. They said that it's like a constitutional amendment. Seven out of ten

01:11:15.240 provinces have to agree to let a province out. That's a load of crap as well. After a successful 0.99

01:11:20.140 vote, the country will have to change its constitution and they'll need that formula to

01:11:26.000 change their constitution. But that doesn't change the fact that the majority of the province just

01:11:28.960 voted to leave on a clear question as per the clarity act which means the country must as per

01:11:35.560 the clarity act negotiate in good faith the independence of that province now if the country

01:11:43.980 doesn't negotiate in good faith with things as you're talking about saying they refuse

01:11:47.780 to accept the results or they start you know dragging their feet or put ridiculous demands

01:11:53.460 clause paragraph 155 of the Clarity Act, if you want to look it up, talks kind of about that.

01:12:00.160 What that probably would lead to is a province finally saying, well, you know what, we're just

01:12:04.420 going to unilaterally declare that. You're not negotiating in good faith. We're just out. And

01:12:09.840 the bottom line is you tell Canada, what are you going to do about it? And what are they going to

01:12:13.260 do about it? So it's not, I mean, it's not going to be easy. There's going to be complications.

01:12:22.400 there's going to be questions. And that's why we got to work hard on this for a year,

01:12:25.600 but all the people saying it can't be done. No, they're full of crap. Might not happen, 1.00

01:12:30.400 but it can happen. Uh, seeing, can you bring that to Keith and Jeffrey for clarity on the question?

01:12:37.280 I mean, we will all be addressing those things over time. And, and Keith was on my show on last

01:12:41.520 Wednesday. If you, it's, it's still on the list on the online there, but there's gonna be a lot

01:12:46.160 of questions to answer in the next year as we move towards it. We just got to stay rational about it.

01:12:50.640 stay focused, keep our eyes on that. I'm going to finish out before I take off just with one

01:12:56.400 of the things to show just how broken Canada is, how sick we've allowed our system to get

01:13:04.720 and it's our own apathy to a degree. The foreign interference issue

01:13:13.360 with going on for years that got kicked down the road and just constantly had no resolution.

01:13:20.000 People got to understand just how scary some of this is, the Chinese Communist Party.

01:13:24.160 So the conservative candidate, Joe Tay, who ran, we had a liberal candidate running against him

01:13:32.760 who clearly had ties to the Chinese Communist Party.

01:13:34.740 We even joked about having him taken to the Chinese police.

01:13:37.920 It's crazy.

01:13:39.220 Well, now Joe Tay, the conservative candidate, has his family targeted and questioned overseas in Hong Kong.

01:13:45.400 See, this is the way they work.

01:13:46.440 They're intimidating the families of Canadian citizens to get their political ends met here.

01:13:55.980 This is scary stuff.

01:13:57.920 Why is this not a bigger headline? 1.00

01:14:01.140 This is the crap that the Liberals have allowed to fester within our country. 0.99

01:14:05.160 Foreign operators from different countries intimidating our citizens and their families overseas. 1.00

01:14:11.740 and this is swept under the bloody rug because the Liberal Party is tied at the hip to the Chinese 0.99

01:14:17.800 Communist Party. They always have been. You want to see a funny video? Google one. You'll find

01:14:23.000 that it was put out by actually activists in Taiwan shortly after Trudeau got elected as

01:14:30.380 Prime Minister because they knew that Trudeau was, you know, tight with the Communist Party

01:14:36.120 and it's a cartoonish sort of thing and it showed Trudeau dancing around with Chinese money being

01:14:41.620 thrown at him. One of the parts is even hilarious. Trudeau is acting like a little stripper laying

01:14:44.780 on the ground while a panda bear in Chinese Communist Party outfit teabags him. It is quite 0.74

01:14:51.220 hilarious, but it also makes a valid point. The people of Taiwan knew how compromised the liberals

01:14:55.000 are with the Chinese Communist Party. Maybe Canadians should understand it too. One final

01:15:01.520 thing to leave off. Alog74 saying, Corey, how many years would it take to do this if we're talking

01:15:05.740 about independence? I don't know. It might be one year. It might be 10. It might be 50. It might be

01:15:11.240 forever. But we're the closest to it we've ever been in Canadian history right now. It's very

01:15:16.340 interesting, and we're going to see where it goes. It depends on what we do. It depends on what the

01:15:20.660 federal government does in the next year. But stay active. Stay up to date, guys. Keep following

01:15:28.840 this. Like, share, all that good stuff. Be sure to take out a subscription with the Western Standard

01:15:34.400 if you haven't already. And you all have a really good weekend, guys. The nice weather is here. It's

01:15:39.080 time. I appreciate you tuning in today and all the comments and I will see you on my next show on

01:15:43.840 Wednesday. Thanks.

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Western Standard - May 09, 2025

The countdown has begun for an Alberta referendum

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