Western Standard - The Kamloops child burial issue was a hoax

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00:01:30.000 good day welcome to the cory morgan show

00:01:58.560 So halfway through summer, where the heck did it go?

00:02:02.000 It's vanished in a blaze of heat, forest fires, smoke, and finger pointing.

00:02:07.560 But yeah, we're getting into August now and already going to start counting down the days

00:02:11.920 till the leaves start falling.

00:02:13.120 So I'd say, you know, I like heat.

00:02:14.600 I know a lot of people don't.

00:02:16.120 But please don't complain about the heat, guys.

00:02:17.900 There's going to be so much time where you're going to be thigh deep in snow.

00:02:21.220 And then I'll be complaining about it myself.

00:02:23.700 Either way, we've got lots going on.

00:02:25.620 Yeah, lots of people are on vacation.

00:02:26.900 Lots of things are happening, but the news sure hasn't stopped over the course of this

00:02:30.200 summer.

00:02:30.920 It's been crazy all around the world.

00:02:32.880 It's been crazy domestically.

00:02:34.240 We'll cover a whole bunch of that in this show.

00:02:36.120 I'm also going to chat with Colin Craig of secondstreet.org.

00:02:39.580 They put out a documentary on health care reform, and it's just packed with common sense

00:02:44.180 and, you know, talking about actually fixing the thing rather than just highlighting the

00:02:49.880 shortcomings.

00:02:50.420 I think we can do that easily enough, but some solutions would be nice, and Colin's

00:02:54.360 going to talk about that.

00:02:55.220 All right, but yeah, let's get to what the title of this was, and I'm sure it's going to get some people wound up, but that's what I'm about.

00:03:00.280 I like winding people up, you know, you can always send your love or hate my way if you're email or on the comments and so on.

00:03:07.680 And yes, we're going to talk about the Kamloops ongoing, ever ongoing, years now, residential school burials.

00:03:14.680 So I mean, last week, Joseph Quinnell wrote a column in the Western Standard, and he was asking folks to stop referring to the alleged burial of children at the Kamloops residential school site as a hoax.

00:03:24.960 I've got nothing but respect for Joseph.

00:03:26.700 He's been an excellent voice on Indigenous policies in Canada,

00:03:29.960 and I don't doubt he's going to continue to be.

00:03:32.260 In this case, though, I guess like the old saying goes,

00:03:35.080 with all due respect, I can't disagree more strongly with him.

00:03:38.380 Perpetuating a hoax is far more damaging to Indigenous Canadians and the rest of us

00:03:42.620 than appearing insensitive and calling it as it is.

00:03:46.900 Canada was turned upside down by the revelation that as many as 215 children

00:03:50.520 had been killed and secretly buried in apple orchard at the site of the Kamloops residential

00:03:54.700 school. Flags were put at half-mast for nearly six months, churches were burned to the ground,

00:03:59.760 and apologies flew along with checks. Now we're over three years later and nothing has been done

00:04:06.560 to verify the claims. The Kamloops band was given nearly eight million tax dollars to follow up on

00:04:11.380 the issue, yet they appear to have done little to nothing with it. They won't disclose where the

00:04:15.300 money went, and the myth of the hundreds of graves at the site continues, along with the associated

00:04:19.900 pain and social damage caused by people who really believe hundreds of children were murdered and

00:04:24.460 buried at that site. Look, the RCMP clearly don't believe any bodies are on the site. I mean,

00:04:29.480 while there's been no end to the misinformation excuses made as to why there hasn't been any

00:04:33.040 excavations, the reality is the RCMP has full authority to dig if they really believe it's a

00:04:37.680 crime scene. The allegations made that children were forced to bury their compatriots in the

00:04:42.540 orchard as recently as the 1960s means. Theoretically, the perpetrators could still be

00:04:47.500 out there if indeed these incidents really happen. The site isn't a separate nation and the band

00:04:52.580 doesn't have the ability to stop a murder investigation. I mean, if that was the case,

00:04:56.120 Native Reserves could start quite the cottage industry as a site for murderers to bury their 0.99

00:04:59.760 victims with the knowledge that the investigation would stop there. The reason the RCMP won't 1.00

00:05:04.360 follow up is that there's no evidence that a crime took place. They don't think there's any

00:05:08.160 bodies there. Some folks are claiming the burials are sacred and must not be disturbed.

00:05:13.380 To be blunt, that's a load of crap. Those same folks are insisting that tens of millions of 0.97

00:05:17.360 should be spent in Winnipeg to try and locate the bodies of a couple of murdered Indigenous

00:05:21.120 women suspected to be buried in a landfill there. So is it sacred to recover these remains and

00:05:27.560 return them to the family or is it sacred to leave them in the spot? It's whatever is convenient for

00:05:31.060 these activists and it's getting tiresome. The issue of returning the remains to the families

00:05:35.820 causes a conundrum to the folks perpetuating the hoax as well. Not only have there been no bodies

00:05:40.360 found, there's no children reported missing at the school. While hundreds of children allegedly

00:05:45.260 were buried in the orchard, apparently every one of them was an orphan. No parents, no siblings or

00:05:49.860 cousins have reported kids missing. Even if a body was found, who would we return it to? More effort

00:05:55.720 has been made to deter the investigation of these alleged burials than it has been made to get to

00:05:59.600 the truth, and these are the hallmarks of a hoax. Instead of proving people who question the narrative

00:06:05.220 wrong through forensic investigation of the supposed burial sites, efforts have been made

00:06:09.420 to illegalize the questions. People are asking for the truth, who are asking for the truth, are being

00:06:14.600 labeled as deniers, and the government's been considering illegalizing denialism.

00:06:18.440 Nobody's denying that residential schools existed, and most people agree the schools 0.73

00:06:21.680 were not pleasant places. It's not unreasonable, though, to ask for evidence when the claim is

00:06:26.300 made that hundreds of children were secretly killed and buried. However, finding the truth

00:06:32.320 at the Kamloops Residential School, I mean, it wouldn't be that expensive or complicated. It

00:06:36.880 would take nothing more than a day or two with some people using shovels. If indeed bodies were

00:06:40.980 found, then work could begin to find out who they are and to hold people responsible and to return

00:06:45.420 the remains, of course, to where they can be found. Let's face it though, let's say it out loud,

00:06:49.360 the reason the Kamloops band won't dig is they know there aren't any bodies there. The gravy

00:06:53.560 train would dry up. While no children disappeared at the site, eight million tax dollars did.

00:06:58.680 In this case, things may be moving beyond calling the affair a hoax and actually moving into fraud

00:07:02.760 territory. I don't care if folks think it's insensitive to call the alleged Kamloops child

00:07:07.680 child burial is a hoax. More people should be calling it a hoax. In fact, they should be

00:07:11.340 shouting it from the rooftops until a real investigation happens. Canada's indigenous

00:07:15.900 population is socially challenged and angry enough as it is. Allowing myths of murdered 1.00

00:07:20.280 children to continue is only fostering more division and making things worse for everybody.

00:07:24.360 The truth needs to be exposed. If you don't like it, dig a hole and prove me wrong. Until then,

00:07:29.500 I'm going to call it a hoax. And with every day that investigations are delayed, I'm more and

00:07:33.520 more confident I'm correct. Well, that's what's got me wound up today. Let's see what else is

00:07:38.200 happening out in the big bad world. And in the news, I'm sure I'll be stirred up and pissed

00:07:42.180 off about as well. We've got our news editor, Dave Naylor in studio to give us a rundown on

00:07:45.860 this week's news. How's it going, Dave? Good, Corey. I'd just like to say ditto. Great rant.

00:07:50.000 Oh, thanks. Great rant. Where has the summer gone? Holy cow. August already? Yeah, as you say,

00:07:56.040 a couple of weeks till the leaves change and bang, that's it. You know, I was a bit jealous

00:08:01.300 of you uh last week or so when there was a video that you put out um every every week when we were

00:08:07.380 children my parents would would pack up my sister and i and they would take us try and lose us in

00:08:13.380 the mountains around banff and jasper you know wander through the looking for gingerbread houses

00:08:18.580 yeah stuff like that and they were always upset because we'd always beat them back to the car and

00:08:22.660 they couldn't they couldn't get away and we you know through the years we've seen lots of wildlife

00:08:27.140 from grizzly bears to, you know, the elk and all that sort of good stuff.

00:08:31.640 Two things I haven't seen, a wolverine and a cougar.

00:08:35.820 And you've got like a whole pack of those cougars wandering by your place. 0.91

00:08:39.460 I mean, holy cow.

00:08:40.240 A trio.

00:08:40.800 And I still haven't seen them with my own eyes.

00:08:42.580 Just our game cameras.

00:08:43.720 It shows how shy those things are.

00:08:44.960 But yeah, three of them went walking behind my house a couple of weeks ago together.

00:08:50.240 I mean, I've never seen them in a pack.

00:08:51.940 I mean, they're scary enough to think of as one, but three of them.

00:08:54.840 That's kind of freaked Jane out at night, eh?

00:08:56.700 a little bit she doesn't go around the woods at night though so that you know tends to be 0.99

00:08:59.980 safe it's just our idiot dogs that run back there so far they're still hopefully duke the wonder 0.99

00:09:03.900 dog doesn't do anything stupid i mean i'd rather take on a coo i'd rather take on a bear than a coo 1.00

00:09:08.860 oh absolutely i mean you think of a cougar you think of a house cat that this is this big and 0.96

00:09:11.900 it can rip your arms to shreds and jump that high now just you know imagine that the size of a cougar

00:09:15.980 i mean they're dead before you even know they're there anyways let's go on to something cheery the

00:09:20.220 news yes holy cow another busy week so busy i haven't even had time to shave i don't know about

00:09:25.980 you corey i like lighthouses they're pretty to look at they're great historic so the coast guard

00:09:32.300 announced today they're shutting down two of them in bc uh basically because they're about to fall

00:09:36.700 into the ocean uh so they're shutting down these two historic uh lighthouses there got a nice

00:09:43.020 exclusive on phoebe beautiful calgary german shepherd who was over in the olympics being a

00:09:48.700 bomb sniffer and her handler from the calgary police service doing diligent work over there

00:09:54.860 in paris more on the fallout of the jasper wildfires you know all the stories are coming out

00:10:00.460 now that you know the feds had years to prepare they knew it was common but despite that they

00:10:06.540 still lost 358 buildings in that wildfire so obviously more and more questions will be asked

00:10:15.420 a little bit of a joke for you corey you won't find funny but and neither will taxpayers canadian

00:10:21.020 government spent $600,000 on a four-day stand-up fest in Montreal. This was to replace the defunct

00:10:29.500 Just for Laughs festival, and hey, they thought it was worth sticking $600,000 worth of our

00:10:35.020 money into that. A huge day, evening from the Middle East. Israel had a double whammy, so to 1.00

00:10:42.900 speak, today. They wiped out the head of Hamas in an assassination in Tehran. Earlier, they had

00:10:49.480 killed a senior Hezbollah leader in Beirut, proving their military correct, that these were 0.62

00:10:56.760 dead men walking. Pierre Polyev, CBC, gave him another excuse today to defend them. One of their

00:11:05.620 chief correspondents, based in Europe, was mourning the loss of the Hamas leader. Our Dave

00:11:13.420 Makachuk's got an interesting column.

00:11:15.260 You'll remember the Olympic massacre in 1972 of the Israeli athletes.

00:11:21.240 The head of Israel at the time, a lady called Golda Meir, unleashed what they called the wrath of God.

00:11:28.600 And they systematically hunted down anywhere in the world and killed anybody involved in that Israeli massacre in the Olympics. 0.61

00:11:36.900 And that's just what they've done now in the Middle East after the killings.

00:11:43.920 And speaking of unrest, lots of fallout in Southport, Scotland, a massive riot overnight, injured more than 50 cops.

00:11:53.320 All came about after mistaken internet reports that the person who broke into the daycare and killed the three little girls was a migrant.

00:12:02.240 that fueled riots and police vehicles were burned.

00:12:07.060 A mosque was attacked and just ugly scenes over there, Corey.

00:12:12.240 Yeah, no, levels and levels of tragedy in that one.

00:12:14.820 It's just been a bad circumstance all around.

00:12:16.640 Nothing horrifies people more than children being killed.

00:12:20.580 No, those little girls didn't deserve this.

00:12:23.700 You know, it's just horrific.

00:12:25.880 No, well, let's keep reporting on things

00:12:29.480 and hoping somehow eventually the world evolves into some sort of civilized state and sanity.

00:12:35.260 Yeah, we've got Canada doing quite well at the Olympics.

00:12:38.800 There we go.

00:12:39.360 We've got another two weeks of that to keep us happy.

00:12:41.200 There are some distractions we can watch and relax and lighten up a bit sometimes. 0.90

00:12:45.000 Yep, go Canada, go.

00:12:46.380 Right on.

00:12:46.880 All right, thanks, Dave.

00:12:47.820 I'll let you get back into that newsroom, all hairy and overworked there,

00:12:52.820 and keep reporting that news for us.

00:12:54.420 See you at the pipeline later tonight.

00:12:56.220 You bet.

00:12:57.140 Right on.

00:12:57.500 Thanks, Dave.

00:12:58.700 That is our news editor, Dave Naylor.

00:13:00.440 I see, yes, lots going on.

00:13:01.760 Sadly, a lot of it is bad news, rough news, harsh news,

00:13:05.640 but we got to cover it.

00:13:06.760 We got to keep up with it.

00:13:07.920 And we do report on the other things.

00:13:09.400 We have lots of stories.

00:13:10.500 The site is loaded with stories.

00:13:12.740 We're one of the most prolific news organizations

00:13:14.760 in Canada these days, actually.

00:13:16.600 And the reason we are,

00:13:17.520 this is when I put that out there, guys,

00:13:18.980 is because of you, because of subscribers.

00:13:21.560 We stay independent.

00:13:22.400 We aren't paid by the government to do this.

00:13:26.040 We're accountable to you.

00:13:27.180 If you haven't subscribed yet, guys, get on there. It's $9.99 a month, $100 for a year.

00:13:32.820 And you get past that paywall and it supports people like Dave and Jen and Sean and so many

00:13:38.740 folks working here at the Western Standard, Jonathan up there, getting those stories out to

00:13:42.920 you. And yeah, if you haven't subscribed yet, get on there. And if you have already, hey, I really,

00:13:49.360 really appreciate it. Spread the word for us. Jordan commenting, no man has ever been killed

00:13:54.400 by a cougar. I think if we look back, there have been a couple of cases in BC over the years and

00:13:59.900 maybe something in California. But the point made though, is that it's extremely, extremely rare.

00:14:05.640 And if they do typically cougars, actually, if they attack humans are usually children

00:14:09.160 and women. So yes, they go for the smaller, it's just their nature is hunters. They're frightening

00:14:14.120 animals. But in reality, I mean, when I show those pictures on my game cam all the time,

00:14:18.740 they're all over the place in Critice, yet attacks on people virtually never happen. And when you

00:14:24.680 think there's thousands of cougars out there, thousands and thousands of people going into

00:14:27.400 the woods every day and they aren't getting attacked, as scary as those animals are,

00:14:31.340 you shouldn't lose too much sleep over them because typically they're just not into eating

00:14:36.480 folks. Yeah, lots of other stuff on the go, talking about those riots in England, you know,

00:14:43.140 and it reflects some of the tension going on in the world and everywhere. A number of factors are

00:14:48.520 coming together there. It shows the problems with the mob, right? When the government,

00:14:55.460 your people don't feel that the government is protecting them enough, if they aren't doing

00:14:59.160 justice, then citizens stand up and they will take care of it themselves. But unfortunately,

00:15:03.860 citizens aren't necessarily controlled. They aren't necessarily nuanced, and they won't

00:15:08.020 necessarily target the right people. Europe, England, and it's happening, it's growing in

00:15:14.760 Canada, but it's more acute over there, Paris, actually, when they aren't holding the Olympics.

00:15:17.900 there's been a lot of immigration. There's been a lot of difficulty with integration of many of the

00:15:23.720 new citizens coming in. And hey, again, if we're going to be talking blunt speaking today, mostly

00:15:28.520 it's typically Islamic people. They tend to be introverted. They tend to have more problematic 1.00

00:15:35.580 people come out of their population that have difficulty integrating than others. We just,

00:15:39.820 for example, had two charges laid against in Toronto against people who suspected of planning

00:15:45.320 terrorism. And you look at the names and sure enough, they are Islamic folks. It's not saying

00:15:49.220 all Islamic folks are terrorists. That's where we start getting into the mistake. Most of them by far

00:15:53.460 are not. But somehow with that faith, you get more difficulty than other areas. So when that horrible

00:15:59.240 murder happened of children, everybody was horrified. The mobs came out and they went to

00:16:04.980 attack a mosque. Now, this is just based on internet rumors. It doesn't sound like this had

00:16:09.140 anything to do with Islam. But once the mob was hyped up, things went badly. Officers hurt,

00:16:14.780 police dogs hurt, damage done, and of course the community is more divided than ever.

00:16:19.660 So we've got to address the issues, we've got to address integration, we've got to address how

00:16:23.940 we're getting along, or the mobs will take over, and it'll be a heck of a lot uglier than a controlled

00:16:30.580 way of dealing with having new people in nations and having them integrate and get along. Okay,

00:16:35.500 let's get to our guest there, Colin Craig of secondstreet.org, because they put out a documentary

00:16:39.300 recently, and it's fantastic, actually, especially if you're concerned about healthcare. So welcome

00:16:43.720 back to the show colin i appreciate you coming on today thanks for having me corey so i i guess just

00:16:49.480 to run it down in a nutshell i think it was what just a little over 40 minutes you've made a

00:16:52.520 documentary talking about you know canada's health care system some of the problems holding it up

00:16:57.960 ideology is of course a big one of them but also proposing solutions uh you know i guess what what

00:17:03.800 are the main points and takeaways from that that production yeah so you're right at 40 minutes

00:17:09.080 there's a lot in it we of course start off with the problem just showing people um a very important

00:17:16.200 point and that is that money is not the solution we've been doing that trying that for decades now

00:17:21.240 it doesn't matter if you talk about conservative governments liberal ndp people always try and

00:17:25.480 politicize this governments across the political spectrum in different parts of the country federal

00:17:30.600 level provincial level they've all tried throwing money at the system and crossing their fingers

00:17:35.080 and hoping for something to work out and yet the results just keep getting worse and worse and worse

00:17:40.920 and you know one of the other points we make right off the hop is that we've got a lot of good people

00:17:44.760 working in the system they're trying hard they're nurses doctors they got into the health care

00:17:48.760 because they want to help patients so we got a lot of money in the system we got a lot of decent

00:17:53.240 people the problem is the structure itself is just not delivering good results compared with other

00:17:59.800 universal health care systems and we explain that too to show that canada's not the only country

00:18:04.840 with a universal health care system france sweden norway japan there's australia there's lots of

00:18:11.240 other countries around the world that do what canadians like and that's the idea that everyone

00:18:16.040 in the country is covered you're not going to face a big bill when you walk out after having a heart

00:18:21.960 procedure or hip operation or whatever so there's lots of other countries that do what we want to

00:18:27.320 do and they're doing it much better than us. So the bulk of the video looks at some of the things

00:18:33.160 they're doing differently. And we go through about five different policy options that we could

00:18:39.480 embrace here in Canada and then start to see better results like what we're quite often seeing in

00:18:44.100 Europe. Yeah, and to start right off, I mean, that's where we get some confusion. We get some

00:18:48.120 defenders of the status quo, a couple of things. For one, they like to pretend that Canada and the

00:18:52.900 United States are the only systems on earth. And that's absolutely untrue. But the biggest fear

00:18:57.300 people have, I think the principle that most people share, they want a universal system. They

00:19:01.480 want to make sure everybody's covered no matter what. You're not going to get turned away from a

00:19:05.700 hospital or bankrupted because you got injured or you were diagnosed with cancer or a disease that

00:19:10.320 required a lot of treatment. But if you can make people comfortable that they're going to have

00:19:15.040 universal coverage, we shouldn't be afraid then in examining ways on how to provide the care while

00:19:20.480 maintaining the coverage. Exactly. And, you know, I think when you talk to patients about what they

00:19:26.020 want, like you said, they want that universal nature. They want everyone to be covered. They

00:19:31.000 want to make sure people aren't getting a huge bill like we hear about in the U.S. when they

00:19:34.340 leave. So that's one. They want quality treatment and they want it in a timely manner. I would say

00:19:40.120 that those are the top three things that Canadian patients really want. And if that's your goal as

00:19:45.200 nation we can start to look at other models like sweden and france and australia and japan and

00:19:51.360 other countries because you know they're doing those types of they're meeting those objectives

00:19:58.000 they're doing it better than us and a big thing that a lot of countries do differently

00:20:02.640 is there's not as much ideology in healthcare like you find in canada there's always this great

00:20:07.840 debate oh we can't do private because of this and and what i'm referring to is you know having

00:20:14.240 maybe your surgery in a private clinic and the government's paying for you to get it

00:20:18.720 uh you know people raise all these concerns and what we note is that you know in other countries

00:20:24.960 they don't always have that type of friction they think about well what's best for the patient who

00:20:29.760 who can we as the government partner with to get the patient the best care possible i think that's

00:20:35.520 how often they look at it doesn't matter if it's maybe a government facility or a non-profit or

00:20:41.120 for-profit they're less ideological and that is good for patients if governments are willing to

00:20:46.880 fund whoever it is to provide care in a cost-effective manner a safe manner the way that

00:20:52.640 ultimately benefits patients and you know we see some of this in canada already mean family doctors

00:20:58.160 or private businesses you go you go and you meet with your family doctor you leave and then when

00:21:02.880 you're done that doctor's office will bill the government so we already have that sometimes x-rays

00:21:08.240 blood tests will be done in private facilities but people don't even know it so it's the idea

00:21:13.620 is to maybe expand uh and do some other services um to surgeries and other health procedures and

00:21:20.700 then we could get some better bang for a buck one of the other things corey that we talked about in

00:21:24.680 the documentary is sort of changing how the governments fund health care so right now quite

00:21:30.520 often what they do is they will cut a big check to a hospital and say good luck you know here

00:21:35.840 foothills hospital in calgary here's 200 million dollars or whatever it is you know we hope you

00:21:40.640 can help a lot of patients this year and that's not a very effective way of funding health care

00:21:45.120 so what they often do in other nations we were just in france and they do it there

00:21:49.440 is they will fund health facilities every time they help a patient so they have a formula to

00:21:55.360 say okay for a knee replacement we're going to spend say whatever it is ten thousand dollars

00:21:59.520 so now that facility has the incentive to try and do a lot of knee surgeries because then every time

00:22:07.360 they do it they're going to get more money we don't have that incentive right now in our health

00:22:11.900 care system governments have a budget every time a patient comes in the budget gets smaller and

00:22:16.100 smaller and smaller and then at the end of the year the facilities often go well sorry you're

00:22:21.620 gonna have to wait till next year we don't have any money to do more knee surgeries so it's not

00:22:26.200 very effective the way that we do it changing that incentive model is one way that another way

00:22:31.160 rather that we can get better bang for our buck in the health care system well and if we could get

00:22:36.980 over our hang-ups get over the ideology and allow people to shop around aside from changing the

00:22:41.700 model to make it better for a hospital if a hospital is overwhelmed or if it turns out that

00:22:46.340 a patient can get service this is something that's happening in europe and i believe you pointed out

00:22:50.240 they can go to a country next door, get this comparable service done and have it paid for by

00:22:57.220 the system through that. Because the bottom line is if the state's paying for the procedure,

00:23:02.700 it doesn't really matter where it's getting done as long as it gets done in a reasonable manner

00:23:07.060 and efficiently. It opens a lot of doors for people to examine different ways to get the job

00:23:12.300 done. Yeah, exactly. And that's something we talked about in the documentary too. So if you

00:23:17.060 live in the eu you can go to another eu country if you're facing a long wait time locally for let's

00:23:22.560 say cataract surgery you can go to another eu country pay for that cataract surgery and then

00:23:27.880 get reimbursed by your home country the reimbursement goes up to what that home country would spend

00:23:33.860 locally so you know that protects them from just having to write blank checks it's just a way of

00:23:40.120 getting treatment to their patients faster and obviously traveling for surgery is not for

00:23:46.480 everyone. That's obvious. But some people, they will do it. And when that happens, if you're on

00:23:53.060 a waiting list and someone ahead of you in line decides to go somewhere else for treatment and

00:23:56.740 you don't want to do that, well, then you get to move up a spot. So it benefits everyone.

00:24:01.200 Well, that's it. And what people don't seem to be realizing as well, I mean, our issue isn't

00:24:04.980 funding. As you said, we've spent enough. We spend a lot. It's access. I mean, it doesn't matter how

00:24:10.940 much we spend. It doesn't matter how great. And we do have great health professionals. If you can't

00:24:15.580 get to them in a timely manner. It's terrible. And it costs the economy when people are waiting

00:24:21.540 for care. The consequences are huge. You're right. It costs people lost income sometimes when they

00:24:28.420 can't work because they're waiting for hip operation or whatever, some other problem to

00:24:33.100 get resolved. It can lead to depression. When people have to sit on the sidelines of life,

00:24:40.600 they're dealing with chronic pain. We've talked to patients that have told us they've had very

00:24:44.940 dark thoughts uh you can look at addiction too as people are popping painkillers for a year i mean

00:24:50.300 these painkillers aren't meant to be popped for a year straight they're typically meant for short

00:24:54.940 periods of time until you can get surgery but here in canada so often we just let people pop

00:24:59.260 painkillers for a year or two and it's it's very highly unethical the other major consequence of

00:25:04.700 course is death some people are dying because the government isn't getting them the care they need

00:25:10.140 in time and that is that is appalling it's not acceptable in a developed nation like ours so

00:25:15.420 we desperately need to be looking at health reform options to get patients the care they need

00:25:20.940 so one of the other uh you know when it was debated a lot when we talk about say having

00:25:25.260 private facilities providing services things like that even if we can prove that you know

00:25:29.980 it would keep the doctors here uh some people say well then the people paying to jump the line will

00:25:35.660 take up all the time of the professionals and these private facilities will take all of the

00:25:39.180 the best and brightest, and people in the public system will be left with the dregs and second-rate

00:25:44.660 care. How would that not happen? What would prevent that from happening? Well, if we think

00:25:50.760 about the endpoint, I think we have to ask a question. How is it that Sweden can make that

00:25:55.500 work, where patients have a choice between the public system or private options if they want

00:26:00.660 to pay privately? And in Sweden, by the way, most people use the public system. It's something like

00:26:05.040 85 percent. About 15 percent have private health insurance and they will use private treatment

00:26:12.120 options. But most people still rely on the public system. And Sweden has found a way to get that

00:26:16.740 done. France, another great example. The French have that option too. Australia. I mean, around

00:26:24.320 the world, people have figured it out. So we know it can be done. And when your viewers are hearing

00:26:30.460 this claim from people that don't want health reform, they don't want choice, they say the sky

00:26:36.280 will fall. I would urge them to think, well, wait a second. Why would those people be saying that

00:26:42.120 when we know it can be done in other countries? Either they're defeatists or they have some kind

00:26:46.860 of ulterior motive. And in many cases, they have a monopoly. They have complete control. They don't

00:26:52.580 want anyone challenging their control. So they come up with all this fearmongering. In some

00:26:58.560 countries what they will do is they will have caps they will say to doctors you can only you know you

00:27:04.460 work in the public system and you can only work so much privately and then that way they make sure

00:27:09.920 there's you know enough capacity in the public system uh in France what they do is they use

00:27:15.420 what we were talking about before that's paying health facilities by procedure they call it

00:27:20.660 activity-based funding so it doesn't matter if the patient chooses to go to a private facility

00:27:25.540 you're a public one or whatever the government's going to pay for that procedure at a rate of x

00:27:31.540 whatever the the procedure is and how much they've figured out they're going to pay so there's

00:27:36.420 there's definitely different ways that you can do it i think it's an important consideration if

00:27:40.880 you're going to be giving patients choices to make sure that there is that capacity in the public

00:27:45.520 system but also giving patients options and one thing i think to keep in mind is that we will so

00:27:52.880 often ration access to care in Canada so that means ultimately that if you're a surgeon your

00:28:00.440 income potential may only be this much because that's as much as the government is willing to

00:28:05.200 fund for you to do say knee surgeries each year and often these knee surgeons have time on their

00:28:12.160 hands they'll be twiddling their thumbs because they can only do so much that's all the government's

00:28:15.840 going to let them do well if you give them the option of working privately too then they might

00:28:21.760 be able to supplement their income and make more. So if they're earning this much, they might be

00:28:27.260 thinking, well, I'm going to move to the US because I can make this much. But if in Canada, we give

00:28:31.840 them that opportunity to supplement their income in the private sector, then they can earn more

00:28:36.560 here and maybe they stay here instead of leaving our country. So I think you might actually see

00:28:41.480 the opposite. When you give healthcare workers more options and ways to make money, then more

00:28:47.680 people are going to decide to stay in Canada. And I believe the French model is a lot like that.

00:28:52.340 They have private hospitals and it's regulated. You know, it's going to be whatever 60 or 70%

00:28:57.040 has to be in the public system. But the other 30%, hey, use those hallways, use those specialists,

00:29:00.760 however you will, charge whatever you think you can. And that way the doctor can buy his yacht

00:29:05.480 through the people who want to pay extra, perhaps from other countries bringing money in.

00:29:09.600 You keep the specialist there and the public can get that top level doctor as opposed to

00:29:15.120 potentially losing them in a public system when we're in an international market. I mean, there's

00:29:19.100 a lot of countries will reach out and get a hold of that cardiac surgeon or that orthopedic surgeon

00:29:23.280 or that oncologist. I mean, we have to get pragmatic here. Oh, for sure. You know, we were

00:29:29.140 in France. Like I said, we were in France just a couple of weeks ago. We walked through a private

00:29:33.400 hospital. We walked through a government-run hospital that was actually run pretty well.

00:29:38.640 And that's because of the activity-based funding. They changed the incentive model in terms of how

00:29:42.420 that hospital receives money. So they were starting to do all kinds of innovative things.

00:29:46.460 We walked into a large room where there were all these patients and it was a room for them to wake

00:29:53.160 up in after they've had surgery and their anesthetic wears off. And there were no walls

00:30:01.100 in this room. You could see quite a large room and there were all these patients, maybe five or

00:30:07.800 seven or something like that. And I said, oh, this is interesting. There's no walls in the

00:30:12.080 the person at the hospital said well it's it's more effective this way if you're a healthcare

00:30:16.800 worker you can keep your eyes on more patients instead of having to go from room to room to room

00:30:23.200 to room and it's more effective it was more cost effective too so you know that changed because

00:30:29.600 the government changed the incentive model so you start to see more innovation more good ideas

00:30:33.760 coming from the grassroots up um so yeah there's there's a lot of ways where we can learn from these

00:30:40.000 european countries and find ways to deliver health care more cost effectively last year we

00:30:45.680 went to sweden we walked through and met with people that were running a government-owned

00:30:51.840 hospital so the government owned the hospital but it was a private company that managed it

00:30:56.720 and that private company was able to deliver health services same quality but for a lower cost

00:31:03.040 somewhere between 15 and 30 percent lower depending on the calculation and you know

00:31:08.640 different people's understandings of what's going on. But yeah, I mean, we should be taking overall

00:31:14.120 a less ideological approach to healthcare. Like I say, partner with whoever can help patients

00:31:19.120 because I think patients at the end of the day, they just want that quality care in a timely

00:31:23.960 manner. Absolutely. Well, I'm glad you guys have taken that on and you've laid it out really well

00:31:29.120 in the documentary, just good common sense discussion. So maybe, you know, people can

00:31:33.000 just shed some of the ingrained prejudices or things that they were kind of trained to think

00:31:37.560 the Canadian system is and just start looking at maybe we can do things better. So before I let

00:31:42.660 you go, I mean, of course, where are you going to find this documentary when folks sit down to watch

00:31:45.960 it? Yeah, so people can watch it for free if they go to healthreformnow.ca. That's the name of the

00:31:51.680 documentary, Health Reform Now. So they can watch it at that website. They can go on our Twitter

00:31:58.680 feed or Facebook feed or YouTube feed. We've got it posted everywhere, but the easiest way is

00:32:03.160 healthreformnow.ca. Right on. Well, thank you very much, Colin, for putting it together. And like I

00:32:09.360 said, I watched it. It's a good watch. I didn't have to force myself through it. It's good and

00:32:13.060 informative. And I really do strongly recommend folks get out there, give it a watch when you

00:32:17.840 got 40 minutes for you or break it up. That's the great thing with stuff on demand and streaming.

00:32:21.620 I appreciate you guys putting that together and having you come on to explain it to us today.

00:32:26.780 Well, thanks for the opportunity, Corey. Always enjoy the chat.

00:32:29.960 All right. I'm sure we'll talk again soon, Colin.

00:32:31.880 Take care.

00:32:33.160 So again, folks, check it out, save that, healthreform.now, or as he said, secondstreet.org,

00:32:37.860 you know, they've put a lot into this documentary. They're sharing it everywhere. They want you to

00:32:41.840 get out and watch it. Get out and watch it. Share it. We've got to change the way people think about

00:32:46.860 these things. You know, the problem, the problem, one of the, oh, so many problems, but one of the

00:32:51.200 things he's been pointing out is a monopoly. Now, here's where the left and the right can kind of

00:32:56.500 both be correct sometimes in pointing out when the citizen, the consumer, the person at the

00:33:02.820 bottom is getting screwed. And it's almost always a monopoly situation, but we've got to remember

00:33:07.700 a government monopoly will screw you. So will a private monopoly. So what's the solution? Break

00:33:14.340 the monopolies, competition, get other options, have things in there. You're no better off. It

00:33:19.280 doesn't matter who's got the monopoly. If there is one standing over you, you aren't going to have a

00:33:24.440 good time. When it's something as important as healthcare, it's no wonder we're getting horrific

00:33:28.500 service because there's only one manager, only one provider. They've got no incentive to improve.

00:33:35.220 They've got incentives to avoid headaches. They've got incentives to keep the unions happy. 0.98

00:33:39.920 They've got things like that, but they don't look out to you because it's not procedure-based

00:33:44.820 service. It's not looking to pay the bills through their services and goods or whatever.

00:33:49.720 It's a monopoly. So think of things that way. A monopoly is a terrible place to be in as a consumer.

00:33:56.880 and you just can't do any better.

00:33:59.540 You know, we've got to break it up.

00:34:01.800 Speaking of which, you know,

00:34:02.580 speaking of governments and how inefficient they are,

00:34:04.460 for people who watch Calgary News and things out here,

00:34:06.800 the Green Line, I just like ranting about that one

00:34:09.120 because this is a beauty.

00:34:10.580 This is an LRT, light rail transit, expansion.

00:34:14.300 They've been talking about it for like 16, 17 years

00:34:16.660 in Calgary now, it's on and on and on.

00:34:20.200 Nothing's getting done.

00:34:21.200 They've done a bunch of ripping up stuff downtown.

00:34:23.200 They're doing some underground utility work apparently,

00:34:24.960 but what the government does

00:34:26.400 So the city of Calgary managed to get billions out of the federal government and the provincial

00:34:31.260 government. Of course, they get billions of the Calgarian taxpayers and spent a decade on this

00:34:35.360 thing. Still not an inch of track laid yet. I believe they spent one and a half billion so far.

00:34:41.500 The other levels of government basically said, we've given you enough. We're done. Make do. So

00:34:45.440 what have they done? They keep shrinking it. It's like I said, it's like a pecker in a cold

00:34:49.500 swimming pool. This thing is shriveling up so fast. Every time they give a new report on it,

00:34:53.780 it gets shorter. The price doesn't get any lower. It's up to $6 billion now. And this thing is

00:34:58.340 barely going to go outside of downtown. No private business could run that way for 16 years.

00:35:05.580 Shareholders, others would fire them. They would pull out. The business would go broke. But when

00:35:09.560 it's government, they can just keep going and going and going. And you get hooped. So what we're

00:35:16.820 going to have one day is a grossly over-budget project that goes from downtown Calgary into a

00:35:24.060 part of town that doesn't have many people in it. And who knows when it's going to get done.

00:35:30.020 We've got to start rethinking our urban design anyways. Downtowns, who goes downtown anymore?

00:35:36.740 I mean, people still do, but it's not like it used to be. Calgary has a massive downtown vacancy

00:35:41.340 problem going on right now. And most downtown urban centers do. One of the consequences of

00:35:46.480 COVID that people discovered is a lot of people discovered I don't have to go to the office every

00:35:50.920 day. A lot of those businesses realized I don't, we don't need the staff in here every day. A lot

00:35:55.880 of them can work remotely and they have, and they've stayed that way. Now we've got the government

00:35:59.940 workers who are staying that way, but they aren't actually working. They're just sitting around home

00:36:02.420 playing Minecraft, but that's a separate story. All the same, we have a surplus of office space.

00:36:07.900 These aren't growing areas. We're trying to figure out how to fill them. Adding more train service

00:36:12.380 into these centers isn't the way to go. We should be planning our cities, understanding and realizing

00:36:16.040 and the people don't need to come into these dense urban cores anymore.

00:36:19.780 They can live outside.

00:36:22.160 So let's look at transit service and how we can service that

00:36:24.640 rather than these giant projects that don't work.

00:36:28.240 They don't go anywhere.

00:36:29.720 And here we are in Calgary.

00:36:31.340 We've seen the same thing in Ottawa.

00:36:32.560 Theirs is a disaster.

00:36:34.060 Edmonton's is a disaster.

00:36:35.680 And those are the other things too, though.

00:36:37.200 If you're going to do these mega projects,

00:36:39.160 get the private market in on it more.

00:36:41.000 Get the government out as much as possible.

00:36:43.260 But hey, guess who's behind Calgary's?

00:36:46.040 SNC-Lavalin. Familiar name? Yeah. Thought so. Boy, these names just keep popping up with these

00:36:52.140 multi-billion dollar projects where nothing gets done except a lot of pockets get lined

00:36:55.820 and a lot of pockets get emptied. Couldn't mind. Lone Warrior saying still no train to the airport.

00:37:00.900 Yes, in Calgary, if there was common sense, the north leg of one of the train lines goes right

00:37:06.640 up right across from the airport. It's actually kind of a straight shot across flat ground. A lot

00:37:10.280 of it's undeveloped. It's industrial, light industrial, and nothing out there from Saddletown.

00:37:15.160 they could run a train out there because most of the people who work at the airport and there's

00:37:18.400 thousands of them plus people who might want to use the train to get there to fly would use that

00:37:22.960 there's something that would make sense that would be used so of course the city isn't doing it

00:37:27.840 welcome to the realities again of monopoly service and pecker heads in power that really shouldn't be

00:37:32.860 um getting on yeah let's tell you the other big news lately is the fire in jasper of course it's

00:37:39.280 still burning out that way it sounds like they got a lot of things under control but i mean 30

00:37:42.460 percent of the town was lost. And a whole lot of I told you so's are going on. A whole lot. Here,

00:37:49.320 I'm going to plug one of my own things if you like. Go to, you know, search Cory Morgan on

00:37:53.240 YouTube. I did a lot of videos in the past just on my own time and things like that. And I did one

00:37:57.440 warning about this kind of thing. I went out into the woods and showed what a logging cut block

00:38:02.020 looks like. I showed what unlogged lodgepole pine stands look like. Because people don't leave the

00:38:07.020 house. They don't go out in the bush. I don't blame them. That's okay. I was a surveyor for 20

00:38:10.300 years. I grew up in Banff. I love the bush. I'm familiar with it. And I tell you what, it's either

00:38:14.680 got to be cut or it's got to burn. Those are the only two options you have. You can keep deferring

00:38:19.080 it and kicking that can down the road, but eventually the burn will come and you won't

00:38:23.860 have much control over how it's going to burn, how hot it's going to burn. And we're hearing that.

00:38:27.280 Jasper was warned over and over from different authorities, from different forestry experts.

00:38:33.260 Guys, you've got a disaster pending here. And they kept kicking the can down the road because,

00:38:38.140 Well, nobody wants that unpopular decision.

00:38:39.740 Nobody wants to go to the beautiful landscape of Jasper

00:38:41.600 and see a cut block. 0.96

00:38:43.020 The granola munchers. 0.59

00:38:43.960 So no, I despise them.

00:38:45.220 I grew up around them in Banff as well.

00:38:46.840 There's that little subculture that are there

00:38:48.620 and they scream and howl about everything. 1.00

00:38:50.980 They would scream and howl

00:38:52.040 if they heard a chainsaw off in the trees.

00:38:53.680 They would scream and howl

00:38:54.540 if a dozer was out there knocking those bush down,

00:38:57.420 making a fire break next to the town.

00:39:00.440 Too damn bad. 0.98

00:39:01.440 These guys don't pay any bloody taxes anyways. 0.99

00:39:03.600 Ignore them, get over it.

00:39:05.260 I mean, one of the experiments I remember

00:39:06.340 as a kid in Banff in the 80s, because again, the granola's got all worked up because they found out

00:39:10.360 that we spray around Banff every spring for mosquitoes. All the wet spots, the marshes,

00:39:14.860 the swamps, they sprayed them. Oh my God, this is terrible. You're poisoning everything. It's

00:39:18.720 awful. So you know what Parks Canada did? One year they didn't spray. If you go to the mountains

00:39:23.820 outside of the areas where they spray, you'll discover just how many black flies, horse flies,

00:39:27.860 and mosquitoes there are out there. There's billions of them. The town was just swarmed.

00:39:32.280 it shut those bloody granola people up for a year or two at least. And it certainly said the 1.00

00:39:37.780 residents aren't going to put up with that crap anymore. You know, we need some common sense. 0.99

00:39:41.080 It's not just national parks, guys. We've got towns, communities in the boreal forest across

00:39:45.460 the entire country. And a lot of them are tinderboxes right now. And we need to take care

00:39:50.100 of that. There's going to be more of these. I mean, we're seeing more and more. Before I get to

00:39:55.480 Sean to talk about some things, I've got him in as well. Just to dance on a grave. I think this

00:40:00.600 was one of Sean's stories anyways. But yes, Chorus Entertainment, speaking of companies that won't

00:40:06.000 evolve, companies that won't change with the times, they're the ones who run global news and a lot of

00:40:11.700 the radio stations and things like that. They're going broke. They're going to broke. Their shares

00:40:15.700 are down to 10 cents a share now. They're a penny stock. They used to be, I don't know, 20 or 30

00:40:19.380 bucks, I think 10 or 15 years ago. They're in the toilet. They're laying off people in the thousands,

00:40:24.320 news hosts and everything else. Well, what are they keeping? Oh, DEI hires. Yeah, diversity,

00:40:29.420 equity and inclusion. They figure if we just go woke hard enough, we will defy economic reality

00:40:35.500 and be able to pay our bills. No, they're just driving viewers away, but they still have a

00:40:41.040 traffic helicopter. That's important, right? Yeah, because having somebody come on every 10 minutes

00:40:47.440 with a static-filled report on what's happening in one segment of the city is much more important

00:40:51.560 than, you know, maybe just picking up your phone and checking Google. But yeah, change with the

00:40:57.100 times. You know what the problem? They're probably going to get bailed out. That's what they're

00:41:00.780 waiting for. That's what's going to happen. Kiss Trudeau's white little butt there and say, hey,

00:41:05.900 please, please, you got to save us. We're too important to fail. And he'll cut another check 0.99

00:41:10.140 so these guys can hang in there, do more DEI hires and continue to make broadcasts that nobody wants

00:41:15.880 to watch or listen to. Welcome to a monopoly again. You know, it's not a monopoly in media,

00:41:21.140 but it's a monopoly on the government picking and choosing who they're going to give the money to.

00:41:24.280 And those are the people that give you the information.

00:41:26.040 So thank you guys for getting past that and tuning in with us.

00:41:28.900 We're not getting handouts.

00:41:29.820 Don't worry.

00:41:30.160 Turtle's not in a hurry to give us any.

00:41:31.380 And we aren't asking for them.

00:41:32.740 All right.

00:41:33.340 Enough ranting, pissing, moaning, and raving.

00:41:35.280 Let's get on to Sean Polzer, our business and energy expert.

00:41:38.740 You've been busy this week, Sean.

00:41:39.960 How's it going?

00:41:40.620 It's going really good.

00:41:41.700 I've been having a great week.

00:41:42.940 Well, good.

00:41:43.580 Chasing that many stories like the chorus that you just mentioned.

00:41:46.120 Yes, yes.

00:41:47.180 That was a beauty.

00:41:48.780 Again, I mean, you know, when you're struggling, you're hurting, you're in a business.

00:41:51.700 I mean, you've got to cut.

00:41:52.440 you got to rethink how you're doing things they just can't change their mindset well we've got

00:41:58.080 an insider in there and they've been kind of feeding us these things because you know the

00:42:03.920 morale is just so awful it's terrible it reminds me a lot of what it was like at the Calgary Herald

00:42:08.580 years ago so I have a little bit of a sympathetic heart well I mean you do feel for people I mean

00:42:13.980 there's talented people there there's good people at all these organizations there are good journalists

00:42:17.880 even though we beat up on them all the time there's there's a lot of fantastic ones and

00:42:21.020 they're people like the rest of us. They want to pay their bills and have their jobs. And when

00:42:24.320 you've got the ax hanging over your head, it's pretty stressful. Well, and we're a bit of a

00:42:27.740 fraternity as well. Yeah. You know, even though we're competitors, we're mostly always friends

00:42:31.860 when we show up on the news sites and at the pressers and the kind of things that I went to

00:42:36.960 all week this week. Well, and that's what gets frustrating though. These jobs could be saved

00:42:40.720 maybe if they could just look at these organizations and restructure them in a

00:42:45.180 pragmatic way rather than just continuing down kind of a road of foolishness. Or give people

00:42:49.520 what they want. There's a thought, isn't it? Like kind of like what we do. Yes. You always have to

00:42:54.660 write for your readers. That's the first rule that you learn in, you know, creative writing

00:42:59.040 one-on-one. Yeah. Who's your audience? And that's it. I mean, the viewership is collapsing and

00:43:03.460 they got to figure out how the hell they retained it. Read the tea leaves. Well, what else you got

00:43:09.440 going for us? Well, we've got some interesting stories. So yesterday we had a billion dollar

00:43:16.320 deal with albertia indigenous opportunities corp so this is uh one of uh premier daniel smith's uh

00:43:24.720 pet uh causes and um it's a little bit controversial among western standard readers

00:43:31.280 that somehow think that it's a handout to the natives but actually in fact it is um

00:43:38.000 it's a good deal all the way around it's a good deal for trans canada because they have to sell

00:43:41.280 off assets to get debt nova is an old established you know pilot it used to be the alberta trunk

00:43:48.640 line network it's been in the ground since about 1953 pays excuse me pays steady stream of revenue

00:43:55.680 and dividends and you know just dollars and by allowing these native groups so native groups

00:44:03.040 don't have access to the funding that companies like trans canada do and this isn't like a loan

00:44:07.920 it's a loan guarantee, right? So they go out and they get their own loan with TD Securities,

00:44:12.080 CIBC, the big brokers and that, who are more than willing to step up and finance it, you know,

00:44:16.320 given that they've got the backing. And the dividends that are going to be paid off over

00:44:21.200 the generations are going to be immense. Number one, it's going to, you know, we couldn't,

00:44:28.400 we quibble about how we've treated, you know, our Indigenous populations over the last five years,

00:44:33.520 but it does right that historical wrong gives them a revenue stream provides job opportunities

00:44:39.280 and education opportunities to improve their communities and it makes them more equal partners

00:44:46.640 in in our society and i think in the long run it's going to benefit all of us well and another

00:44:51.200 aspect though they don't trumpet it but there's some truth to what is you know an incentive for

00:44:55.760 the company to partner like this is giving an interest to the first nations groups in the

00:45:00.960 industry will help blunt the protests the opponents i mean you know the green piece the

00:45:07.280 tree huggers the nutcases are still going to protest it but now they're going to have the

00:45:10.640 first nations fans getting upset you want us to stop our pipeline that's not going to happen

00:45:15.680 exactly and uh steven jibo has already said that you know they're they're going to try and block

00:45:21.280 you know conventional oil and gas developments on anything except native land right so now this is

00:45:26.320 almost like an ace in the hole uh trans canada could have sold this to anybody they you know

00:45:30.400 they could have sold it to the hedge funds in new york but they didn't so it's going to local

00:45:35.360 communities here in alberta so there's an export line that goes through southern bc and saskatchewan

00:45:41.920 so it's the federal government we are so far ahead of the federal government on reconciliation

00:45:50.320 you know they hand out t-shirts and orange shirts and trudeau goes surfing on you know

00:45:55.600 day of reconciliation and a holiday right and here we in Alberta we are actually making meaningful

00:46:03.360 steps and contributions to actually addressing some of these inequities. Partnerships have a

00:46:07.760 better chance of lasting than a check. You give a check out it gets spent it disappears and then

00:46:13.600 you're back to where you were a partnership you're together you're working on something

00:46:16.880 theoretically should last longer and hopefully build a better relationship. Well somebody asked

00:46:20.960 me once said what's the definition of the perfect business deal you know what it is no it's an

00:46:27.200 alignment of interest corey yeah yes fair enough as long as you've got the common interest you're

00:46:32.720 going when that's our business culture here in canada and so yeah no i i was quite pleased with

00:46:37.440 this one right on um let's see we got another one um that i'm just writing it's not up on the

00:46:43.760 website yet but uh so fortis is handing out ten thousand dollar incentives for it's um a combination

00:46:51.600 heat pump and uh high efficiency furnace depending on where you live in bc and what the temperatures

00:46:57.120 are because the heat pumps don't work so well you know up in williams lake as they do down in

00:47:02.160 addersburg yeah and uh the greenies are incensed they're opposed to heat pumps now i thought that

00:47:07.840 was the new big good thing no i love the heat bombs oh they're just opposed to the high

00:47:11.920 high-efficiency natural gas furnaces. Oh, of course. So now they're accusing the

00:47:17.200 EBI government of maintaining the addiction to fossil fuels, even though the combination of a

00:47:23.740 heat pump and a high-efficiency furnace results in about 100% efficiency. I'm sure they'll get

00:47:28.060 into their oil belching vans and get onto that diesel-powered ferry and head to Victoria to

00:47:32.460 protest with their polyester clothes outside of the... And their critical mineral EVs.

00:47:36.960 I love it when they eat their own, though.

00:47:39.800 Yep.

00:47:40.160 And finally, one more.

00:47:42.120 Trans Mountain is getting a new CEO.

00:47:45.080 She's stepping up into the chairman's chair.

00:47:46.680 The chairman who oversaw the $25 billion in overruns,

00:47:50.540 who also happens to be a member of the Order of Canada,

00:47:53.560 is stepping aside and paving waste.

00:47:56.200 So they will be marking their new era

00:47:58.880 as actually pumping 880,000 barrels a day of oil to the coast,

00:48:03.980 which is going to Japan, Korea, China, California.

00:48:10.100 So it has turned out to be quite a success in that regard,

00:48:13.040 notwithstanding any other...

00:48:14.820 The capital investment was a little large on it, I guess.

00:48:17.060 Yeah, and the fact that they'd give themselves

00:48:19.240 the Order of Canada for this amazing accomplishment.

00:48:22.460 Pat yourself on the back, guys.

00:48:24.200 All right.

00:48:25.020 Well, thanks.

00:48:25.800 We look forward to seeing those stories as they're coming

00:48:27.540 and see you actually on the pipeline a little later.

00:48:31.480 Excellent.

00:48:32.020 Right on.

00:48:32.580 Thanks, Craig.

00:48:32.920 All right, thanks.

00:48:33.980 It is our Sean Polzer.

00:48:35.100 Yes, things, business, things, energy.

00:48:36.980 Hey, he writes on other stuff too.

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00:48:50.160 So, yeah, thank you all for tuning in.

00:48:52.980 Man, that went fast today.

00:48:54.620 Tempted to expand the show, but we'd get too tired.

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The Kamloops child burial issue was a hoax

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