00:06:32.200Similarly in Alberta and Saskatchewan, it's been used around keeping boys out of girls sports, transing underage kids, that kind of thing, preemptive use of the notwithstanding clause, because we know the way this works, it'll get struck down by liberal judges, and then it'll spend a decade going through the courts.
00:06:52.060in the meantime the judiciary is running things and not parliament so even if you do win or even
00:06:58.040if you lose at the end of then and then use the notwithstanding clause you've probably had you've
00:07:02.540had like three elections in the meantime the government's probably turned over so the not
00:07:06.960withstanding clause is useless so they've begun to preemptively use the notwithstanding clause here
00:07:11.320and so you know the liberal party members at their upcoming convention i think in vancouver
00:07:16.580are going to debate a resolution to essentially use the federal power of nullification which
00:07:20.820hasn't been used since the 19, roughly 1930, um, you know, consider the nuclear option.
00:07:26.720You're essentially blowing up the Federation if you do that.
00:10:33.920This is the court taking into its, like, who rules the court?
00:10:40.160Like, who is the judge who gets to oversee what's the appropriate bounds of the judiciary?
00:10:47.020Traditionally, that was the legislature.
00:10:49.300But, you know, from the 1982 Constitution Act, where we got the charter and things like that, the judiciary seems to be able to run rogue.
00:10:56.780It's been doing so ever since the charter was brought in.
00:10:59.240It made decisions on key issues that should be legislative, however you feel about them, same-sex marriage, abortion, all sorts of things like that, that are clearly the purview of the legislature.
00:11:15.260But now it's in the point of not even just rewriting legislation, which it's done.
00:11:19.460It's considering, at least, rewriting the Constitution itself.
00:11:41.260Another one went on walkabout in Ottawa and went missing.
00:11:48.360The RCMP had to put out a missing persons alert.
00:11:51.060And there's already calls for Wagner to be removed from the Government Appeal of the Emergencies Act because he is on the record as degrading the Freedom Convoy truckers.
00:12:04.840So, yeah, they're a wacky group of individuals.
00:12:09.820And, you know, for the younger listeners, they don't understand how important this notwithstanding clause was.
00:12:17.440That is what got all the provinces together, and that's what got the constitutional deal done.
00:12:23.240And they're threatening to come along now and rewrite history, and God knows what's going to happen.
00:12:30.180I want your take, Nigel, on why this is being considered now.
00:12:35.620Traditionally, it's actually only ever been Quebec that invoked the notwithstanding clause, you know, protecting French Quebec-type stuff.
00:13:41.160Well, we had no other choice, otherwise the whole thing would have fallen apart.
00:13:45.500So God bless Premier Lockheed for that.
00:13:48.380As for why this came up now, there's two reasons in my mind.
00:13:53.480Everybody appreciate that I don't have a hotline to Mr. Carney's brain at all or anybody else's,
00:13:59.660but this is what it looks like from where we sit in Western Canada.
00:14:03.300First thing, this legislation that Quebec, the province of Quebec, has put out says it's banning religious symbols, and that's primarily affecting two sets of people, Muslim women and Sikh men.
00:14:21.180So what they're saying is you don't wear that if you're a woman, you don't wear the hijab.
00:14:27.180If you are a Sikh, you don't wear the turban.
00:14:52.120It is that they love anything that increases federal power.
00:14:56.480And this, by taking away the right of provinces to say, no, no, we're not doing that, or we are going to do this and you can't stop us, that increases federal power.
00:15:09.820I mean, in the Confederation, the federal government is like a jealous spouse.
00:15:14.780They hate the idea that anybody has any say over anything, any kind of authority.
00:19:03.700I've she's at risk of looking like the dupe if this keeps up as Dave said you're putting on the
00:19:10.160smiling face well look I had this methane agreement well a lot of people look at that
00:19:13.620it's just one more capitulation we didn't feel we'd had to do all this to get a bloody pipeline
00:19:18.360in the first place look at this list of things we have to do for them to do something we never
00:19:23.540should have had to come begging and groveling for to begin with and then you to celebrate that you
00:19:29.080one in four of them made the deadline I'm sorry that's not a victory that's another embarrassment
00:19:33.360uh i i'm not and i don't like being hard on premier spit i like what she typically is doing
00:19:40.220and i know she has alberta at heart but this i and i understand that she's got to try and work
00:19:46.720through mechanisms that are there to get things done but it's time for her to start taking less
00:19:50.900of a you know smiling uh positive attitude and start pulling out some claws like ottawa's
00:19:56.820stringing her along and we're getting sick of it and her own membership as you said is getting
00:20:01.220very, very impatient. We know what Conservatives do when that tipping point gets hit within a
00:20:06.880party. Just ask Jason Kenney or Alison Redford or Ed Stilmak. Don't join the list of all the
00:20:12.780dead Conservative leaders on the sidelines. Listen to your members. You've got to do something better.
00:20:16.380I think you're right, Corey, when you say the time has come. But when these agreements were made,
00:20:23.480the time was actually right for the Premier to look as if she was trying to make the whole thing
00:20:29.100work if she had been the surly one who had sort of sat there with her arms folded and frowned and
00:20:33.900said there's no way i trust mr carney there's no way that ever ever we're going to do any of this
00:20:38.540stuff uh she would have looked and acted like a scold who just nothing would ever satisfy
00:20:46.780and i don't think that would have been a good look on her at the time anyway i'm sure you tried
00:20:50.860but eventually as i say eventually your line has to work okay now we're at the point where you say
00:20:56.140if this isn't going to work we've just got a war going on in the middle east where the obvious
00:21:01.580value of everything that this province has been trying to do in energy comes to the surface and
00:21:07.260we can't take advantage of it because those guys in auto well this is the time to actually make
00:21:11.580that point and i hope she does because uh but at the time that the agreement was made i don't think
00:21:17.100she could have done anything different but right now yeah we're sitting here we're sitting on
00:21:20.460hundred dollar oil we're spinning our wheels we're seeing opportunity lost even if we started digging
00:21:25.900a trench tomorrow the oil might be 30 a barrel by the time we get it to market anyways though
00:21:30.460it is going to come up again when did you last fill up your truck oh 76 oh yeah bring it down
00:21:35.980to 30 by reason they're crazy so i mean the only benefit we get from high energy prices though is
00:21:40.940that we are ostensibly a major energy producer that can offset the pain of world energy prices
00:21:47.660but if we aren't increasing our output to take advantage of that market we're not seeing a
00:21:52.060benefit we're just seeing the drawbacks i could stand there filling my truck vehicle with a dollar
00:21:56.70076 a liter gas while i could see an oil pump working in the background something's not working
00:22:00.940right yeah so uh i talked with the staff about this i think i think it was yesterday morning
00:22:07.020something for us to be at least on the lookout for i'm not predicting it will happen and i don't want
00:22:11.660to sound alberta chicken little here because anytime ottawa does anything with energy
00:22:15.900We maybe we're a little too we have a we have an innate reaction to say, ah, it's the National Energy Program 2.0.
00:22:25.080And we do need to be on the lookout for it because of what happened.
00:22:28.860And we know that they do have ambitions to do something like that.
00:22:31.740They just don't know if they can get away with it kind of thing.
00:22:33.880But the National Energy Program came to us in the early 80s in extremely similar circumstances as right now.
00:22:42.260That came after the Yom Kippur War and the Arab oil embargo, and then followed on that in 1979 with the Iranian Revolution and the Iranian oil embargo, and that sent global oil prices through the roof, and you had a Trudeau in Ottawa who had always jealously eyed ownership of the oil patch,
00:23:03.540but also saw the political advantage and economic advantage for his eastern constituencies in
00:23:10.020saying we're going to set a domestic oil price that is going to be lower than the global oil
00:23:15.480price so alberta must first sell its oil domestically before it's allowed to export
00:23:19.920and it has to sell at this much lower price much far lower than world market real market prices
00:23:26.180and then after that then you can sell what you want externally that was the biggest gist of the
00:23:31.940national energy program there was other things around around ownership stakes and all all sorts
00:23:36.440of stuff but that was that was the biggest and most damaging part of it i mean it sounds like
00:23:42.560i'm talking about right now in terms of the lead-up they got us there with first opec and then
00:23:47.500the iranian oil embargoes we've got the strait of hormu the iranian war i i like to really say
00:23:53.740but i like i'm almost at the point of saying i told you so that iran was not going to be a good
00:23:57.680thing, that this was not going to work out, it was not going to be a quick, glorious decapitation
00:24:03.000and the people rise up, the Strait of Hormuz is closed. And the Iranians so far show signs
00:24:10.400that they might be able to keep it closed. And there's really just not much America can
00:24:14.160do because it's not going to be worth getting a carrier sunk over it. So oil prices continue
00:24:20.340at these high levels, and possibly even worse as things go. As Israel started targeting some
00:24:26.880the energy infrastructure and Iran started retaliating against some of the Gulf oil energy
00:24:31.520infrastructure. If that stuff continues, this could get a lot worse. And the temptation is
00:24:38.220going to be awful hard for a government in Ottawa to resist, maybe not full NEP, but imposing a
00:24:45.520domestic price cap because it's for both consumers and industry that are going to increasingly start
00:24:51.720suffer here so in your uh grim prognostications there derek are you supposing that ottawa would
00:24:59.960now insist that alberta sell oil east which it has been trying to do that would be and that's
00:25:06.120the weird thing about this is that an alberta government might agree to it because it's like
00:25:10.040well at least we're going to get a pipeline built to the east but we're going to be selling at a
00:25:14.040artificially low price i mean the nep was all about getting alberta oil into eastern canada
00:27:37.340industry is getting hammered here our consumers are getting hammered we need some cheap gas
00:27:41.400you could see a Doug Ford easily working with a federal liberal government on this kind of thing
00:27:47.420where you saw Bill Davis supporting pure Trudeau for exactly this kind of thing I don't think it
00:27:52.460happens tomorrow it's not going to happen certainly before an independence referendum
00:27:56.040but if it happens it's it's we're going to have to go through a sustained period of high prices
00:28:00.540well it'll be really interesting to see what Quebec does if all of this follows out as you
00:28:04.860does as you have described because they have said that they don't want a pipeline carrying
00:28:08.940dirty alberta oil across the back fine guys don't have it carry on paying three dollars a litre for
00:28:17.120your uh for your gasoline i have a feeling their their minds would be brought to silver up you bet
00:28:22.120yeah and most quebecers when they survey this they don't have a problem with it it's just the
00:28:26.880politicians yeah it's the political class that seems to hold a lot of sway but you know if you
00:28:30.920have a long period of sustained high prices bleeding industry bleeding consumers the political
00:28:37.060consensus in Quebec will eventually change and I'll say like well in my city forward too and
00:28:43.200that attitude though would it be cooperative or it's as I was going to talk about the national
00:28:47.000discussions always when oil is $30 a barrel it's Alpera's oil when L's $100 a barrel it's
00:28:51.640and uh how well that'll be received and it gets back to I guess Smith's attitude was is that the
00:28:58.880time where she's going to be willing to draw a line in the sand because you know even if that
00:29:03.820referendum's passed i mean how much more can we deal with oh well i guess to paraphrase uh you
00:29:10.520know uh high oil prices has many fathers and uh low oil prices is an orphan yeah i heard it
00:29:18.260you know the solution to high oil prices is high high oil prices if people go looking for
00:29:24.780other alternative supplies is that is that the thought no no no you know victory has many
00:29:30.880fathers uh and and defeat is an orphan uh yeah that's kind of cory's point you know when it's
00:29:36.580low oil prices alberta's dirty oil but when oil is expensive and everyone's hurting and everyone
00:29:41.400else wants some of that oil money it's a national simply it's canadian how true yeah okay uh
00:29:49.980and i go to cory first on this one uh so our our headline edit is not intentionally misleading we
00:29:57.720just didn't know how to make it any shorter and still makes sense uh but six days left not to
00:30:03.040give carny your guns exactly but to tell carny about your guns so what's you know what's happened
00:30:07.500is uh you know there's three broad three main categories of firearms in canada there's non
00:30:14.260restricted restricted and prohibited um and under trudeau they just very arbitrarily took
00:30:22.460thousands of different kinds of firearms and went straight from non-restricted all the way to
00:30:27.420prohibited and non-restricted ones aren't registered the restricted ones are so pistols
00:30:32.540and certain kinds of certain kinds of you know sport shooting rifles and things like that they're
00:30:36.480registered so the government knows you have it but they went straight from non-restricted all
00:30:41.100would have prohibited so they banned these things without knowing who's actually got them they didn't
00:30:45.080really think this through very well um this has been going on for years the program has failed
00:30:50.820in comic proportions they've seized virtually nothing um but now they've they've they've uh
00:30:57.960you know all of us most of us at the table got letters from the federal government saying
00:31:01.540hey you have until this date to notify us that you have some of these uh naughty guns and if you
00:31:08.700don't um you know they're they'll be paying they didn't really say what they'll do but they'll be
00:31:14.640paying for it um but you register by this time hey we might even give you a little cash probably
00:31:19.620pennies on the dollar of what your gun's actually worth but uh yeah the deadline for that is six
00:31:24.560days from now yeah that's their version of a carrot actually because what they're kind of
00:31:28.880saying is you know just participate in the program now so that you'll qualify for the bio
00:31:33.400When you turn it in voluntarily, as we expect you to do, the real thing is saying we're going to steal your gun.
00:31:40.960We're going to tell you the price for it.
00:31:42.280But if you want to get anything for it, you've got to start participating now.
00:31:46.860And we just know from the history of firearm owners of the worst category of people who are going to voluntarily participate in this program.
00:41:40.120All right. Well, that's a good segue to our parting shots. Dave.
00:41:45.200Okay. Presented without comment, but an interesting development at the legislature today.
00:41:50.700There's been talk from the leaders of the independence people that there's a lot of support in the UCP caucus for independence.
00:41:59.300The press conference on crime today, alongside the premier, the public safety minister, Mike Ellis, was wearing a Canadian flag and an Alberta flag pin.
00:42:08.820And he was asked about it and, you know, he's supporting Alberta within the United Canada.
00:42:14.880and the Premier held up Ellis' notepad or binder
00:42:21.360and it was adorned with Canadian flags as well as Alberta flags.
00:42:25.000So it looks like there's at least one UCP member
00:43:48.900So it's worth mentioning again, you wonder why your governance is bad and why there's much more to be flushed out than just the mayor and a few counselors.