Western Standard - June 06, 2023


The next AB NDP leader

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Mark Carney Edmonton Strathcona Todd Hirsch Notley Pierre Trudeau Danielle Smith Rocky Pancholi Sarah Hoffman David Shippers
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5 minutes

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190.3

Word count

995

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72

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4

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On this episode of the podcast, I sit down with my good friend and former colleague, Shannon Phillips, to talk about who she thinks is going to be the next leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada. We discuss who would be a good fit for the party, who would make a good candidate, and who would not.

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00:00:00.000 Make a wild predict, two things. One, who would be the best dream leader for the NDP from an electoral perspective? And then two, who do you think is going to be, and I know that's wild and you're going to be wrong, because it's a wild guess to make.
00:00:16.220 Yeah. I guess I'll start by pushing back a little bit on the way you've categorized them. So full disclosure, I worked for Shannon Phillips, not directly, but in the government of Alberta in her climate change office. I don't think she's on the left flank.
00:00:34.360 Well, no, she's not the furthest left.
00:00:35.480 She was the finance critic. She's actually been quite, I think, eloquent and effective at talking about the oil and gas industry, at talking about things in a way that are frankly more liberal federally than New Democrats.
00:00:50.340 So I kind of put Shannon in the middle. I'm not sure she wants it, but I think having someone outside of Edmonton would be a great idea.
00:00:59.900 You know, Nenshi is sort of like the wet dream that progressives in Calgary have and have had for a long time.
00:01:09.040 You know, if we could just get Nenshi running the party, it would be amazing. And I think he would be a good leader.
00:01:17.040 I don't think the NDP would ever accept him. He would be rejected by that party the same way if you just tried to put a different species' organ inside a human being.
00:01:29.240 The body would not take to it. New Democrats are, for better or worse, I think very loyal and very attentive to loyalty.
00:01:39.020 And so if they do not believe that you have been in the party long enough, if you've not paid your dues, if you have not served, they are not particularly interested in serving you.
00:01:49.600 So I think that's one of the problems with the Nenshi name.
00:01:52.700 I also think he's perfect for municipal politics because he can kind of go back and forth. He's not ideologically hemmed in on any one issue.
00:02:01.320 I'm not sure that he would like provincial politics as much as he likes municipal politics, but...
00:02:06.880 I'm also not sure he would be good in more of the team-based politics of a Westminster system where he has to, you know, as mayor, he speaks for himself.
00:02:17.560 And he can try to corral council around, but I feel like he'd have a hard time with caucus management.
00:02:23.160 A hundred percent. Yeah. I think he would be impatient in the same way that Pierre Trudeau was impatient with his caucus members.
00:02:32.160 You know, I think it's the same vibe and I respect the vibe. I just not sure that it's the right fit right now.
00:02:37.520 Now, Todd Hirsch. I mean, if he was going to run, he should have run this time.
00:02:40.980 I love Todd. I think he's very, very smart. You know, his policies that he put out for the NDs around the economy, I thought were really...
00:02:48.640 I mean, they're what we need. We need to have a conversation about how we get off this roller coaster of being sort of wedded to resource royalties
00:02:55.340 where we, you know, we go from being rich to being broke, to being rich to being broke.
00:02:59.540 And I think it would be great if Danielle Smith took a look at some of those and maybe incorporated those into her approach to managing the economy. 0.98
00:03:07.240 But if he was not willing to stand behind those ideas in this campaign, I'm not sure why he would be willing to run for the leadership.
00:03:15.140 Is he the Mark Carney of the NDP now?
00:03:17.420 A little bit in the sense that, like, he's the one that gets economists really excited.
00:03:21.300 But when it comes to the sort of rank and file, it's just not there.
00:03:24.840 You know, I mean, yeah, I think, again, love Mark Carney.
00:03:29.140 I think as a leader of the Liberal Party, he'd be a disaster.
00:03:32.380 And I think it would be the same thing with any economist.
00:03:35.500 I'm not sure that they have the ability to talk to people and meet people where they are in the way that you need to, to be an effective politician.
00:03:44.400 I think Rocky Pancholi, so she's not, I would not put her on the left.
00:03:47.620 I would put her in the middle.
00:03:50.100 Middle of the NDP?
00:03:51.180 Yeah, of the NDP, which, you know, admittedly for your viewers is, you know, to the left of the Communist Party.
00:03:55.340 But, you know, she is, she understands business.
00:03:58.980 She's a lawyer. 0.86
00:03:59.980 She, you know, she used to work in the service industry. 0.99
00:04:01.780 She knows how to talk to people. 0.94
00:04:03.320 She's very likable.
00:04:04.840 She's not ideological.
00:04:06.680 She's from South Edmonton.
00:04:08.420 So not from that sort of more urban kind of progressive Edmonton.
00:04:14.240 You know, she has to meet people where they are.
00:04:16.720 She, you know, I've seen her talking to people in Calgary.
00:04:19.140 She, she speaks the language down here.
00:04:20.760 I think she would be very effective.
00:04:22.400 I think the question is whether, you know, the Notley wing of the party is ready to let go of power.
00:04:29.220 And I'm not sure they are.
00:04:31.460 I think they might want to gravitate towards someone like Sarah Hoffman or David Shepard, who is the MLA for Edmonton Center.
00:04:40.380 And I have lots of respect for those people.
00:04:43.000 I think that would be kind of disastrous.
00:04:45.020 Any leader that comes within, you know, who comes from a riding that is within walking distance from Edmonton Strathcona is going to get hammered down here.
00:04:54.700 There is just a dispositional difference that I think Notley was able to partially bridge because she became premier and had that sort of sheen of authority and credibility.
00:05:06.680 But if you're sort of a new leader from an urban Edmonton riding, I don't know how you do it.
00:05:12.420 I don't know how you connect with people down here.