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00:15:20.200 the the canada china thing our our canadian citizens are essentially being held hostage in

00:15:25.960 china uh you know there's three that are making the news now i mean we've had the two michaels and

00:15:30.840 and there's been updates on that.

00:15:32.620 And then Robert Schellenberg, there we go,

00:15:37.500 who has now gotten himself a death sentence,

00:15:40.660 which is pretty distressing for drug smuggling in China.

00:15:44.340 So maybe, Dave, can you explain a bit of the stories

00:15:46.100 they're developing over the Canadian-China relations right now?

00:15:49.240 Yeah, this news just came out of China this morning, Corey.

00:15:52.760 I can't remember when our relations with them have been this bad.

00:15:57.020 Calgary businessman Michael Spavor was sentenced today to 11 years in a Chinese gulag, allegedly for spying.

00:16:07.660 Most of Canada seems to think it's a trumped-up charge.

00:16:12.060 Robert Schellenberg of Abbotsford, British Columbia, on Tuesday had his death sentence upheld in a Chinese court.

00:16:21.520 And we know how the Chinese like to carry out executions, a bullet to the back of the head, and then they charge the family for the ammunition. 1.00

00:16:32.280 And there's still Michael Kovrig over there waiting, languishing in a cell, waiting for his sentence.

00:16:39.980 So the prime minister came out today and wagged his finger, as he usually does, and says it's unacceptable.

00:16:46.780 Former Tory foreign affairs minister came out, though, Peter McKay.

00:16:52.200 He said it's time for boycotts.

00:16:54.560 The time for nice words is over, and we should start boycotting trade sanctions.

00:17:04.180 Like the Chinese are placed against us, and soya and pork. 1.00

00:17:09.720 And he wants a boycott of the Olympic Games.

00:17:12.980 They're coming up very quickly, actually, in February.

00:17:15.900 in Beijing, the winter version. He says Canada should not go. And I know, Jackie, you did a

00:17:22.980 story on what the rest of Canada thinks about going to the Olympics. It is very, very clear

00:17:28.620 that none of Canada really, really wants this. At the very least, the majority of Canadians have

00:17:34.080 said that they either completely or somewhat support boycotting the Chinese Games. And frankly,

00:17:39.300 I don't blame them. I think it sounds like the two Michaels are being used as bargaining chips

00:17:43.740 right now, especially in that Meng Wanzhou case with Huawei. And the games are just another

00:17:48.080 example for China to put themselves on the global platform and lie to everyone and say, 0.98

00:17:52.660 oh, look at what we're allowing the media to show you. Look at how great everything is. But

00:17:57.760 I think that they're really using the games for ulterior motives. And I'm not sure Canada

00:18:02.340 should let them do that. No, I mean, keep in mind the Canadian Parliament criticized,

00:18:08.020 you know, in a historic ruling, criticized the government of Japan for genocide and their

00:18:13.120 treatment of the the Muslim Uyghur population you know this is a China I'm sorry what did I say you 1.00

00:18:21.200 said Japan oh sorry Japan no no I mean this is a brutal regime I can't imagine what kind of COVID

00:18:30.240 restrictions they're going to bring in for the Olympics but they may lock up the entire country

00:18:37.120 what do you think Corey something's how do we get how do we get those guys home I don't know

00:18:41.680 There's so much wrapped up in this.

00:18:43.180 I mean, it is easier to say, you know, stand up to China than to do something, too.

00:18:47.340 I mean, whether we like it or not, we're very dependent on them.

00:18:49.320 We get a load of our cost-effective, cheap consumer goods from China. 0.50

00:18:53.680 And people will complain, even though they say, oh, I'll buy Chinese goods. 0.98

00:18:56.980 When they see their consumer goods shit to the roof, we'll see how long that lasts. 0.97

00:19:00.520 Like, they are a big trading partner for us. 0.99

00:19:02.840 And unfortunately, we don't buy enough to necessarily hurt them.

00:19:07.440 You know, likewise, we're not a military power.

00:19:09.500 So things like though the Olympics, I mean that's a symbolic thing. That's a big thing for China.

00:19:13.820 They want to look good on the world stage. I mean that's perhaps where we can hit them where it counts and say,

00:19:19.320 all right, you know, we're not taking part in your show to the rest of the world. You're dictators, you're holding our citizens hostage.

00:19:24.780 We won't play ball and we're going to encourage other nations not to as well. If you want to hold this show,

00:19:30.140 you're going to do it without us or get your act together with it because, I mean, otherwise it's a difficult situation.

00:19:35.680 And it's the only way to get China to do anything is with a coalition of other like-minded countries like the United States and Great Britain.

00:19:47.100 You know, it's going to take a lot of guts for Canada if they're the first to say, no, we're not going.

00:19:53.440 And it's cruel to your athletes.

00:19:54.880 I mean, these guys have been training women for their whole lives.

00:19:58.360 This is it.

00:19:58.880 This is the apex.

00:19:59.500 And, you know, you're telling them, yeah, unfortunately, due to the political climate, you aren't going to be able to get out there on that elite competition, that once-in-a-lifetime thing.

00:20:09.000 It's asking a lot.

00:20:10.780 But, I mean, you're saying people don't have much appetite for the Olympics in general these days is what you've been seeing as well, right?

00:20:15.080 Oh, I would completely agree with that.

00:20:16.800 I mean, IOC corruption has been an issue, I think, long since anyone can remember.

00:20:21.440 But especially lately with these China games, like, we saw this exact same thing happen with, what was it, 2008 in Beijing when they last had the games there.

00:20:29.920 Once again, media was very upset because there were specific areas that they were allowed to film in, absolutely nothing else.

00:20:36.280 It was China's opportunity to really project this fake, fabulous, glossy image of themselves to the world. 0.97

00:20:44.320 And, Corey, I think you raise a really good point because it's a fine line to toe between do we want to support this,

00:20:50.380 do we want to support the Olympics as an organization, do we want to support China using the Olympics for ulterior motives,

00:20:55.940 But then at the same time, do we really want to say to Canadian athletes who have been working arguably their entire lives for this opportunity,

00:21:03.560 oh no, you know, exactly like what you said, like something that you have no part in and no control over

00:21:07.840 is going to ruin your chances at ever, you know, becoming a professional athlete.

00:21:12.020 Especially when we're still in a post-Olympic high from, you know, from Japan. 0.82

00:21:17.680 Got that right this time, right?

00:21:19.280 Yes, they did do the Olympics.

00:21:21.200 They worked so hard on the years.

00:21:22.460 All right. Canada did great in those Olympics. And, you know, there's nothing better than the gold medal to get the entire country excited. And, you know, if you get NHL players going to Beijing, that'll create even a greater level of excitement.

00:21:41.540 At some point, the Western world put a line in the sand over Afghanistan and boycotted the Moscow Games.

00:21:52.420 And then tit for tat, the Russians boycotted Los Angeles. 0.99

00:21:57.600 But it's going to be interesting to see whether countries have the inner fortitude to make a boycott decision.

00:22:07.980 It's too bad that the Olympics are turning into such a political tool.

00:22:10.780 I mean, the ratings are going down with it all the time, too.

00:22:13.300 It's not what it used to be by any means.

00:22:15.140 I mean, IOC corruption, other issues, people have been getting tired of it.

00:22:19.200 Viewership ratings have been going down.

00:22:20.840 Yet at the same time, we saw this time around, I mean, a rotten COVID year.

00:22:24.440 We've all been miserable and cranky.

00:22:25.800 And a lot of people rallied around, you know, some of those athletes who did fantastic,

00:22:30.020 and the women's soccer team and all sorts of stuff.

00:22:32.440 So, I mean, there's value.

00:22:33.260 But are we going to kill it with our politics?

00:22:35.600 I guess time will tell.

00:22:36.920 I think you're also raising an interesting point, Corey,

00:22:39.280 because when you Google the Olympics now versus, you know, five, ten years ago,

00:22:43.020 the stories aren't coming up of athletes as much.

00:22:45.660 It's corruption. It's IOC corruption. It's doping scandals.

00:22:49.120 It's, you know, foreign entities, like we said,

00:22:51.320 using these games for ulterior motives other than promoting athletes.

00:22:55.160 And I think, as sad as it is to say, the Olympics have really gotten corrupt.

00:22:59.680 I read an article not too long ago that said something to the extent of

00:23:02.580 one nation will emerge victorious, the other will be stuck hosting the 2026 Olympic Games.

00:23:08.160 So it's obvious that people are really starting to see through the IOC.

00:23:12.180 They're starting to see through, like I said, these other entities that are forcing their athletes to dope

00:23:16.640 or trying to use the games for their own motives.

00:23:19.160 I think people are tired of it.

00:23:20.640 And I'm not totally confident that the Olympics has that strong of a future, as depressing as that is to say.

00:23:26.860 We will see.

00:23:27.820 I mean, and we'll use that to pivot in.

00:23:29.760 One strong supporter in Calgary of the 2026 Olympic bid was Councillor, now mayoral candidate, Jeff Davison.

00:23:37.820 He was quite the pusher for it.

00:23:39.340 And speaking of crowds of people in red, as you see in China,

00:23:43.140 Jeff Davison was in a crowd of red T-shirts on the weekend at a rally,

00:23:46.860 which was pretty interesting.

00:23:47.980 Maybe you can expand on that, Dave.

00:23:49.320 Sure, and it involved another Olympic booster, Mirna Head Nenshi.

00:23:54.280 Yes.

00:23:54.920 This was a kickoff rally for Councillor George Shahal,

00:23:59.100 who was running in the northeast Calgary riding of Calgary Skyview

00:24:04.180 in the election, whenever it's called.

00:24:08.280 He kicked off his campaign on Sunday

00:24:10.000 with a fairly large and boisterous rally of Liberals.

00:24:14.880 I guess in terms of size for Calgary,

00:24:16.840 it was a good Liberal turnout.

00:24:19.160 Amongst the attendees was Mayor Nenshi,

00:24:21.680 who unsteadily climbed up and down the back

00:24:25.000 of a pickup truck to deliver his speech.

00:24:28.620 And watching on, interestingly,

00:24:30.480 were mayoral candidates Jeff Davidson

00:24:33.000 and Jyoti Gondek.

00:24:36.520 Now, as you said,

00:24:38.320 Davison has always portrayed himself

00:24:40.740 as a bit of a fiscal conservative.

00:24:44.740 Gondek, on the other hand,

00:24:46.060 has always been a left-wing

00:24:48.060 leading person on council

00:24:49.920 and somebody, Mayor Nenshi, I think,

00:24:54.040 would like to see take over from him.

00:24:57.860 So, you know, the question is,

00:24:59.500 has Davison changed his political stripes?

00:25:03.000 Western Standard reached out to him and he basically commented, said he was just there visiting a friend, supporting a friend.

00:25:12.000 And that's really all he said.

00:25:15.000 But it certainly leaves, you know, the voter with what seems to be clear options now.

00:25:24.000 You've got Jeremy Farkas, who is definitely a fiscal conservative.

00:25:29.000 And then on the other side, you've got a liberal rally attending Jeff Davison and bring back COVID masks, Gondek.

00:25:39.660 So it's, you know, the political lines are certainly being drawn.

00:25:44.900 I mean, when you read into this, do you feel perhaps Mr. Davison was always a secret liberal or is he changing as he goes?

00:25:50.740 I think it'll be interesting because I remember his initial run for mayor, like against Nenshi the other year.

00:25:56.540 and he came out as one of the only fiscally conservative candidates.

00:26:00.940 And so I feel like the wool was kind of pulled over my eyes

00:26:03.920 because I have been keeping up a little bit with his latest ventures and everything.

00:26:08.360 Just to be clear, he didn't run against Nenshi in the last election.

00:26:12.840 But in his Ward 6 election bid, he was a first-time councillor.

00:26:18.920 He campaigned on a pro-business fiscally conservative.

00:26:23.540 And we do see that so typically. They campaign conservatively because they know that's what the electorate wants. And they lie. I'm going to be blunt about it. They lie. I'm sick and tired of it. I mean, Ninchy did it. He painted himself as pro-business, you know, fiscally conservative. He was nothing even close. Davison, once he got in, he voted for just about every spending increase that came along.

00:26:45.660 I mean, if there's anything city council hated, it was when the Manning Institute started actually tracking voting and showing how these guys vote.

00:26:51.380 Because they could get by under the radar if people weren't paying attention.

00:26:54.760 But if you could see how they voted, like, holy cow, this person isn't conservative whatsoever.

00:26:58.600 But usually they keep it hidden.

00:26:59.800 This was unusual to see Davison.

00:27:02.080 I mean, you can make your excuse.

00:27:03.040 I'm just helping out a friend.

00:27:04.040 Look, in politics, optics are everything.

00:27:06.660 Helping out a friend, if you're at his house, if you're at a party or something.

00:27:09.820 But you were at a liberal campaign kickoff and you were a person running for office.

00:27:15.340 There's no other way to interpret that than to say you're supporting the Liberals in Calgary.

00:27:19.520 I mean, you can't paint that both ways.

00:27:21.600 So that means he must be targeting support in that segment.

00:27:25.580 Another one of Shahal's friends was Jeremy Farkas.

00:27:28.720 He was invited to the rally and he said, oh, sorry, not with a 10-foot pole.

00:27:33.960 He instead went to talk to voters in Bowness Park on a lovely Sunday afternoon.

00:27:39.800 So, yeah, I mean, optics are everything.

00:27:42.100 Mayor Nancy told the crowd that Calgary is not very well served by its federal

00:27:47.380 voting intentions or past saying that you know the fact that people like Kent

00:27:55.360 Hare were were voted out and replaced by conservatives does not serve Calgary at

00:28:02.380 all because in a minority government they have no voice. Well that's the usual

00:28:06.940 liberal threat and I find that you know so offensive when they pull that stunt

00:28:10.440 And it's true. 0.56

00:28:11.780 I mean, we saw that going farther back in past federal elections.

00:28:14.680 Every time Calgary wouldn't vote Liberal, they'd pull something else out.

00:28:16.740 CFB Calgary is gone.

00:28:18.380 CBC headquarters are gone.

00:28:20.420 And their candidates would keep saying, hey, if you want stuff from Ottawa,

00:28:24.000 you've got to vote Liberal or we're going to punish you.

00:28:25.540 And that was an issue's underlying threat, basically saying, hey, 0.59

00:28:28.300 Ottawa's going to keep screwing you if you don't vote Liberal.

00:28:30.700 There's a weird dynamic developing Calgary.

00:28:34.600 This is going off on a bit of a tangent, Corey, and I apologize,

00:28:37.960 But Derek's not here, so he can't pull me back in.

00:28:41.960 Derek's the way the mice will play.

00:28:43.960 Exactly.

00:28:44.960 I mean, you've got interesting divisions in Calgary where normally pro-business conservative

00:28:52.960 organizations like the Chamber of Commerce have all of a sudden decided they're going

00:28:57.960 to lobby to bring back vaccine or to bring in vaccine passports.

00:29:02.960 it really is an interesting dynamic happening all over the place. And will Calgary vote differently

00:29:11.900 this time in the federal election? Are they happy with Trudeau's COVID handouts more than

00:29:19.000 they're unhappy with Bill C-69 and 48? We'll see. I mean, we got quite a political fall

00:29:28.920 coming ahead of us for political dorks like ourselves we've got the municipal

00:29:32.700 election we've got the federal election we've got a couple of referendum

00:29:36.300 questions coming up on it and don't forget the Senate election yes speaking

00:29:42.240 of which Calgary forgettable but yeah Calgary senator-elect

00:29:48.120 Doug Black resigned today he was he won the Senate election in 2012 and was

00:29:55.260 appointed the next year in 2013, so all may not be lost in senator-in-waiting elections.

00:30:01.980 We'll see.

00:30:02.980 Do you think Justin Trudeau might appoint one of our chosen Senators given the chance?

00:30:06.940 Well, I was just going to say, do we even get an election?

00:30:09.260 I thought Trudeau just came in and decided for us.

00:30:11.860 I didn't know that we still had the benefit of an election anymore.

00:30:14.700 We go through the motions.

00:30:16.740 Okay, well, we'll close up and move on to something a little, you know, getting out

00:30:21.900 of the provincial matters.

00:30:22.900 It was a lot in the news in the last week with the rural crime and crime in general self-defense.

00:30:28.500 That interesting case in Red Deer, the gentleman didn't get charged.

00:30:31.960 But now we've gotten more details on exactly what kind of happened up there last week.

00:30:36.800 And let us know a little more of what we've learned.

00:30:38.900 Yeah, when we were talking about this last week, it was just breaking news.

00:30:43.600 RCMP had released the fact a homeowner shot an intruder to death.

00:30:48.100 And that's really all we know.

00:30:49.800 I mean, nobody's written about a rural crime more than you, Corey, and you know it's a huge problem out there, a continuing problem.

00:30:58.040 We now have some more details in the case.

00:31:00.960 And this was a, I would think, a disturbed individual who had gone back to the same house three times over the August long weekend.

00:31:13.000 He had been taken away by the RCMP on two other occasions.

00:31:17.620 One time he was just released, another time he was charged with mischief and released,

00:31:26.400 and then he went back, kicked in the door, and the poor homeowner arrived to find the

00:31:32.380 door open, and this guy's sleeping in his bed.

00:31:37.280 The guy was woken up, grabbed a baseball bat, and started to beat the hell out of the homeowner.

00:31:45.860 to the head and body. The homeowner was able to grab a shotgun and shoot the guy right in the torso 0.62

00:31:54.500 and killed him instantly. Now we all worried, much like the Maurice situation, that the RCMP may

00:32:01.140 decide to charge the homeowner. And I think everybody breathed a sigh of relief when they

00:32:08.340 decided not to. That there was an obvious case of self-defense. So I wonder why Corey, I mean you

00:32:16.260 covered the Maurice case extensively, why would they make a different you know conclusion than

00:32:23.140 this one? I think there's a couple of reasons and I guess I'll do the self-serving plug. I interviewed

00:32:26.820 Eddie yesterday on video and that'll come out in the next few days and talk to them for a while on

00:32:31.780 this because of course this is certainly a case near and dear to him and those who don't remember

00:32:35.780 Eddie Maurice was charged with injuring an intruder

00:32:39.360 with a firearm when the intruder was trying

00:32:41.020 to break into his home.

00:32:42.400 And he had to go through six months of hell

00:32:44.660 through the court system before they finally dropped charges.

00:32:47.000 But I think, and a couple of friends that were different.

00:32:49.700 Well, for one, there's been a lot of examples.

00:32:51.120 They just can't get convictions on these.

00:32:52.660 They keep trying, but they can't get convictions.

00:32:54.840 When it goes to jury, they really don't have a chance.

00:32:57.300 It gets tossed out, so they understand that.

00:32:59.380 I think they're figuring that out.

00:33:01.140 The other part was in this particular case,

00:33:03.020 it was kind of clear cut.

00:33:04.840 You know, this man was fighting for his life.

00:33:06.520 He was being beaten by a weapon.

00:33:07.940 He was in his own household.

00:33:10.920 It was a known offender who was doing it.

00:33:13.440 Like, they just realized what a morass they're going to get themselves into

00:33:16.760 if they tried charging this man for defending himself in this case.

00:33:20.060 So it was hard to compare.

00:33:21.380 But it was a good outcome as far as a tragedy can go.

00:33:26.040 Perhaps, though, I mean, you feel we're starting to get an atmosphere

00:33:28.900 where self-defense is a little more acceptable?

00:33:30.940 I was just going to say this particular case was very reassuring to me

00:33:34.540 because I do believe that the culture is starting to shift more towards not blaming people for

00:33:40.940 defending themselves. I think it was very, very cool that the charges wouldn't have been upheld

00:33:46.200 because like I said, I think strongly, especially within RCMP, everything like that, the culture has

00:33:51.840 been, wait for us. Don't you dare do anything. Don't you dare try to fight back because if you

00:33:56.680 do, it could potentially be swung onto your fault. Just wait for us to do everything. And as you've

00:34:01.480 said many times, Corey, in rural areas, 40 minutes is a really, really long time to wait

00:34:06.040 with someone threatening your life and your house.

00:34:09.080 Beating you with a baseball bat. 0.99

00:34:10.660 Exactly.

00:34:11.680 Do you think this means it'll be open season, Corey?

00:34:15.040 On bad guys?

00:34:16.020 I don't think.

00:34:16.980 In rural Alberta, necessarily.

00:34:18.580 You know, I think those who were inclined to defend themselves are still going to.

00:34:22.800 I mean, the law wasn't going to stop somebody if they're afraid for their lives, but at

00:34:27.000 least they might feel a little more, you know, less fear in what ifs. I mean, you talk about

00:34:33.000 those things. There are contingencies at home. Jane and I talk about that. We live rural. We

00:34:36.240 have a lot of crime in our area. My bar got robbed repeatedly. We were worried at that point.

00:34:40.200 What would we do if somebody came in? You know, it's like a fire drill. What are you going to do?

00:34:43.760 What are you going to go? Well, we'll try and warn somebody. And if worse came to worse,

00:34:47.160 we'll do whatever we have to. But you're still not allowed to carry pepper spray, Jackie.

00:34:52.600 oh no couldn't possibly you know a tiny little thing that gives no lasting damage couldn't

00:34:58.760 possibly couldn't possibly would be better for me to get beat up than possibly spray someone with

00:35:03.080 pepper spray well one thing i would throw out there i mean you can get pepper spray if you're

00:35:06.920 going hiking and you want to go in and you can pick that up for bears and you know what if it

00:35:11.320 comes to a case of somehow you utilized it in self-defense we can see that even a firearm is

00:35:16.120 considered a legitimate in the right circumstance it's not frivolously used i'm certain that if a

00:35:21.800 If a young lady happened to pepper spray a would-be rapist, she probably wouldn't be charged. 1.00

00:35:26.100 There was actually a video out of California this week of a bear that got into a grocery store

00:35:33.520 and was wandering around a grocery store.

00:35:35.640 So, you know, if those people had bear spray in their purses, they'd have been okay.

00:35:41.200 Yeah, I mean, again, and it's less lethal.

00:35:44.220 The world's not full of psychopathic citizens who want to go out and harm people in self-defense.

00:35:49.100 I mean, there's a number of them, but we aren't overloaded with them.

00:35:52.200 And empowering us to be able to take care of ourselves,

00:35:54.640 I don't think is as big a gamble as the authorities seem to feel.

00:35:57.840 But I think it's a police mentality.

00:35:59.440 And that's added to, you know, talk now about a provincial police force.

00:36:03.380 Yes.

00:36:04.880 Whether or not that would change, though,

00:36:06.280 or are we going to have a smaller version of the same thing?

00:36:08.200 I guess that depends on what our government puts together if we ever do it.

00:36:11.480 The Todd Lowen, the independent former UCP MLA for Central Peace Notley, that always confuses me, came out with an interesting idea today.

00:36:26.040 I mean, the premier has said any decision on the provincial police force will come from Albertans in a referendum.

00:36:35.260 him. Todd Lowen said, well, you know what, let's just give the referendum vote to people

00:36:42.640 in rural Alberta. Those that don't have municipal police forces like in Calgary and Edmonton

00:36:50.180 and Medicine Hat. I think that would be a very different vote because if you're a citizen

00:36:59.180 of Calgary, you may not have ever dealt with the RCMP other than a speeding ticket. And

00:37:05.060 and don't know what sort of, what it is like to wait for a 40-minute response time.

00:37:11.500 Well, absolutely.

00:37:12.300 There would be a different perspective without doubt.

00:37:16.080 Again, it'd have to be done right.

00:37:17.840 So that's a big if, but, you know.

00:37:20.180 I think you're hitting the nail on the head, though.

00:37:22.040 Anything done through government is full of red tape, inconsistencies,

00:37:25.920 like not putting budgets where they really need to go.

00:37:28.460 I think the idea of saying, okay, so we have this issue that was caused by government.

00:37:33.620 let's use more government and try to fix it, seems slightly counterintuitive.

00:37:38.500 My old colleague, Lecha Korbella, wrote a great column this week after the Red Deer area incident,

00:37:45.200 basically saying the RCMP doesn't answer to anybody in Alberta, they answer to Ottawa.

00:37:51.380 And, you know, this was when the RCMP threw their usual cloak of secrecy over what exactly had happened in Red Deer

00:37:59.460 and why this guy was allowed to go back three times to the same property,

00:38:04.600 maybe a provincial police force would have to answer for themselves more than the RCMP.

00:38:13.480 I know one of the challenges with RCMP, too, is that they get trained and they get transferred.

00:38:19.600 Most officers in rural areas came from often another part of the country,

00:38:23.180 and they don't know what the local challenges are, the local issues are, the local troublemakers.

00:38:28.580 There's community policing, you know, I mean, I understand.

00:38:31.280 There's a reason a bit for it.

00:38:32.260 I mean, corruption, if you grew up and it's a schoolmate,

00:38:35.140 you might be, you know, more inclined.

00:38:37.100 I mean, there's challenges.

00:38:38.660 But take somebody from urban Montreal and throw them into northern Saskatchewan 0.95

00:38:43.440 and tell them to serve, it's going to take them a year

00:38:45.600 before they even realize what they're working within.

00:38:48.100 So, I mean, localizing police service, I think, can only help in the long run.

00:38:52.840 But I guess we will see.

00:38:54.940 I do agree it would probably increase accountability.

00:38:57.020 I would think. I mean, people, you know, some of the differences, the fear, the dislike

00:39:02.280 of police by some, I mean, we certainly see with our Black Lives Matters activists and

00:39:07.240 calling for defunding. And there's some of the irony I see, though. I mean, you know,

00:39:10.700 defunding is ridiculous. I mean, to the ones about, they want abolition. I mean, they're

00:39:13.840 very extreme. But there are some cultural issues with police. You'd think they'd be

00:39:18.340 embracing this is an opportunity, then. This is where we can build a force from scratch

00:39:21.320 and try and fix some of the problems we saw inherently in the last one, but.

00:39:24.960 And just look how defunding has worked in some of the major American cities where they've seen triple-digit increases in crimes like homicides and stuff like that.

00:39:35.880 Portland, Minnesota, it failed dismally.

00:39:38.560 It's just not reasonable.

00:39:40.020 There's stuff to fix, but cutting their money off.

00:39:42.440 I still like that one to response.

00:39:43.760 If people think we should defund the police to make it better, I feel the same way about nurses and teachers.

00:39:47.480 If we just cut them by 10%, they're going to improve.

00:39:49.740 Nurses are going to be better. 1.00

00:39:50.820 Teachers are going to be better.

00:39:51.760 So let's get on that.

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00:41:47.860 Perhaps Mr. Phil DeBrand will be back next week.

00:41:50.300 Unless he stubs his toe again.

00:41:52.220 Yeah, or whatever.

00:41:53.260 Whatever ailment he's got.

00:41:56.280 Hemorrhoids?

00:41:56.980 Well, if I can speculate.

00:41:59.400 It was Taco Tuesday yesterday.

00:42:02.480 But I'll close at that.

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