Western Standard - June 09, 2022


The Pipelineļ¼š Calgary's $87 billion climate crusade


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00:00:00.000 Hello, today is June 8th, 2022. I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard,
00:00:26.020 And you're watching The Pipeline. Today I'm joined, as always, by my good friends, Western Standard News Editor Dave Naylor. How are you, Dave?
00:00:33.980 Doing great, Derek. The Oilers have been eliminated. All is right in the world again.
00:00:38.340 That's all that matters to you, right?
00:00:39.480 That they didn't go on to win, yes.
00:00:41.020 Correct.
00:00:41.460 This week.
00:00:42.160 Yeah.
00:00:42.540 Yes.
00:00:43.160 Yeah.
00:00:44.440 Good. Good. All right. Also joined by Western Standard Opinion and Broadcast Editor Corey Morgan. Corey, you don't really care at all, do you?
00:00:51.960 Not really.
00:00:52.440 Yeah.
00:00:53.640 I saved my rage for political.
00:00:56.020 Yeah, that's a lot of rage.
00:00:57.740 It is.
00:00:58.220 There's a lot of hurt in those eyes.
00:00:59.600 They feed me a lot.
00:01:00.820 Yeah.
00:01:01.960 Okay, well, we got a lot of hurt for you today.
00:01:04.700 Today, we're going to be talking about Calgary City Council's $87 billion.
00:01:11.940 $87 billion climate change crusade.
00:01:17.640 You heard that right.
00:01:18.880 $87 billion from a city with a little over a million people.
00:01:23.600 we're not making that up holy hell okay we're gonna get into it uh you're gonna love it um
00:01:30.800 speaking of other giant almost unbelievable numbers uh 600 000 plus are now eligible to vote
00:01:39.420 uh expected to be able to vote in the federal conservative party of canada's leadership contest
00:01:45.520 uh that is i think more than twice as much who have ever voted in a federal conservative party
00:01:51.240 leadership race. It is an absolutely gargantuan figure that is either going to make predicting
00:01:57.500 things much more complicated, or if Pierre Polliver is right, much more simple to call.
00:02:03.680 Absolutely astounding numbers. So we're going to talk about that, what it means for the federal
00:02:07.000 conservative leadership race. And speaking of, today's about big numbers. It's a big number day.
00:02:13.180 But with the United Conservative Party leadership race in Alberta, the big number is the number of
00:02:18.540 people running. We've got one, two, three, four, five, six, six confirmed. Is it just six so far?
00:02:26.140 At least six confirmed and in the race formally. Two that we know about who are actively kicking
00:02:31.580 the tires or maybe a bit more. And I wouldn't be surprised if we get near a dozen there. We're
00:02:36.280 going to talk about the crowded field shaping up for the United Conservative Party of Alberta's
00:02:40.540 leadership race and the different dimensions we're going to see there. Before we get started,
00:02:47.000 though i want to thank all of our western standard members for your kick-ass support you guys have
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00:02:56.220 uh more journalists more support staff to to provide quality uh independent bailout free
00:03:04.740 journalism for you uh right across western canada we've now got our bureau set up not just uh with
00:03:10.060 our headquarters in calgary but in edmonton at the legislature in vancouver regina parliament hill
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00:03:20.680 if you're not yet a member go to westernstandard.news and click on membership it's only
00:03:25.280 ten dollars a month or ninety nine dollars a year you're gonna love it uh let's start with
00:03:31.000 our first sponsor though of the day Canadian Shooting Sports Association I love the Canadian
00:03:35.140 Shooting Sports Association I've been a member for over a decade trusting them with my membership
00:03:39.480 dues to protect my right as a gun owner in Canada. And boy, we've had some fun stuff around
00:03:45.220 guns, actually, around here. As you all know, the federal liberal government has announced a freeze
00:03:51.320 on handguns in Canada. You're not going to be able to buy them anymore.
00:03:56.920 This is clearly leading up to an outright ban on handguns. I think there could be a massive
00:04:01.800 nautical accident in Canada where about a million to two million handguns get lost
00:04:07.080 in canoeing accidents or something.
00:04:10.280 But in the meantime, there's been a massive run on handguns in Canada.
00:04:15.000 Everybody who's eligible to buy them is buying them up.
00:04:17.180 I'm buying them up.
00:04:18.200 No, I'm not buying any if you're watching RCMP, CSIS, whoever's watching this.
00:04:23.760 No, I'm not buying any guns.
00:04:25.080 I don't like guns.
00:04:26.080 But to support the other people around here, because there's a big rush on guns,
00:04:30.120 I announced kind of whimsically that we're going to land,
00:04:35.080 the Western Standard was going to lend all of our employees up to $500 to buy a handgun or other
00:04:40.240 restricted licensed firearms. And I don't think this is going to be a big thing. I kind of put it
00:04:47.020 on Twitter. Turned out to get in like the Toronto Star to kind of blew up, you know, people in
00:04:51.080 Toronto are like, look at these wild rednecks buying guns. But it caught some news. And we had 1.00
00:04:56.920 a firearms wholesaler south of Calgary contact me and saying, we love what you guys do. And we're
00:05:02.660 going to give a discount on guns to everyone who works at the Western Standard. So, I mean,
00:05:08.100 every job's got its perks, right? You get a loan for guns, and now you get discounts for guns.
00:05:12.160 Dave, you got to get in the gun race. You got to get in the arms race. I'm just waiting to see the
00:05:15.560 catalog. Yeah. Anyway, to defend your right to have those guns, the right to own guns in Canada
00:05:22.660 has never been more perilously at risk than right now. So you should be a member of the Canadian
00:05:27.680 Shooting Sports Association. These guys are where it's at. Without people like the Canadian
00:05:33.560 Shooting Sports Association, we would have lost our rights to have firearms in Canada long ago
00:05:38.940 and the Tang and by a thread. Corey, where can we find out more about them? They are at cssa-cila.org.
00:05:46.520 Okay, let's get into the first topic. We're not making this number up. I thought it was fake news
00:05:52.160 When I first saw it, I said, no, no, no, no, this is clearly not real.
00:05:56.500 Calgary City Council might be crazy, but, like, this is clearly a made-up number.
00:06:00.520 It's impossible, not realistic.
00:06:03.940 Come back to me with some facts, and you're like, no, Derek, it's $87 billion.
00:06:09.200 Because I could hear Dr. Evil say $87 billion.
00:06:13.640 The camera zooms in on him.
00:06:15.180 Dave, what the hell is going on?
00:06:17.780 It's a huge, it's a staggering amount of money.
00:06:20.700 it would break down to more than $3 billion a year.
00:06:25.080 Imagine that, $3 billion.
00:06:26.240 The entire operating budget for the city is only $4.5 billion.
00:06:30.140 So just to give you some comparison,
00:06:33.560 $87 billion has got to be more than the GNP of some small African nations, I'm sure.
00:06:39.680 So it's a huge amount of money.
00:06:41.260 And it's a lot of pie in the sky.
00:06:43.700 And, oh, we have to do it.
00:06:45.340 And the city council met today behind closed doors.
00:06:48.300 I think Mayor Gondek wanted to deal with it today.
00:06:52.920 Senior Voices have put it over to July 5th, which caused Mayor Gondek to say that, you know, investors watching this, they're going to take their money elsewhere.
00:07:04.960 I mean, how ludicrous is that?
00:07:06.560 If any smart investor is thinking $87 billion. 0.95
00:07:10.900 I mean, holy cow. 0.97
00:07:13.080 Ludicrous. 0.68
00:07:13.640 So, yeah, it's going to be interesting to see exactly how the plans break down and where it goes from here. 0.81
00:07:24.940 Corey, is this just a couple of nutters trying to send a virtue signal on the council that, you know, 0.96
00:07:31.120 to show how much, like, I'm more climate change than anyone, like, I'm going to climate change the shit out of you kind of thing, 0.96
00:07:36.740 and they're just trying to send a signal like this is like the Green New Deal in the States,
00:07:39.740 it's not actually going to go anywhere, or is this a real thing? 0.57
00:07:43.640 I wish it was just a couple of nutters, but I mean, this is a report commissioned from city
00:07:47.360 administration that they put out. And the way that the city council, the mayor and the pair
00:07:53.680 of Courtney's and, you know, Giancarlo Carras and the usual left cadre of city council are
00:07:59.400 hard on with the push to embrace this thing in full. This is real. And they want this entrenched.
00:08:06.260 I mean, Gondek was ticked off that they didn't just drop this on Calgarians and embrace it and
00:08:10.980 have council vote to take it on, you know, with a couple of days notice, you know, as they're
00:08:17.100 saying, we held a referendum over the Olympics that we're going to cost one or two billion,
00:08:20.420 perhaps. And Gondek wanted this shoved through council and interest in city spending with two
00:08:25.840 or three days debate. I mean, they're obsessed with this thing. So $87 billion, the Canadian,
00:08:31.760 the Department of National Defense, Canada's military department, I would just Google in
00:08:37.220 quickly here, I could be wrong, but it seems about right. Now, we don't spend a lot on the military
00:08:41.040 in Canada, but it is still a lot of money that we spend, even if it's not a lot comparatively for a
00:08:46.180 country our size. We spend about $20 billion a year. So the city of Calgary is proposing to spend
00:08:52.160 about four and a half years worth of the Canadian Armed Forces military budget. Dave, instead of
00:08:59.720 climate change? Should just Calgary create its own army? What about that big dome? I mean,
00:09:07.720 if we do spend all this money on climate change, and Okotoks grows and doesn't do anything,
00:09:12.540 we're going to get all their smog, aren't we? Okay, so we're having a new, this is a new
00:09:15.860 segment called, what else can we spend the money on? So, okay, I'm voting, if we, we're not,
00:09:22.360 you can't give it back to taxpayers, because that's just too good an answer, and it's not
00:09:25.620 very fun. We have to spend the money. So I'm voting Calgary is going to create its own armed
00:09:32.380 forces, but it's going to be heavy on the Navy. We're going to have an aircraft carrier and we
00:09:36.800 can park it right in the Glenmore Reservoir. Right by the SS Moyer. Yeah, yeah. So the Calgary
00:09:43.960 armed forces, we're going to be really big on the Navy, but the aircraft carrier is not going to
00:09:49.880 have any money left over for planes. We're going to have an aircraft carrier. That's my vote. So
00:09:55.220 I'm voting aircraft carrier slash Calgary Armed Forces, but heavy on the Navy.
00:10:00.500 I'm a Navy guy myself.
00:10:02.360 Dave, what do we spend the money on?
00:10:04.880 I'll be a bit more sensible.
00:10:08.600 Hospitals, hiring doctors.
00:10:11.500 Oh, go back to the dome.
00:10:12.700 The dome was way better.
00:10:13.600 Or a dome.
00:10:14.240 Fun.
00:10:14.660 Like, we got some one-time, you got $87 billion.
00:10:18.360 Okay, yeah, then we can dome the city in that case.
00:10:21.960 We're going to dome the city.
00:10:22.600 But it's got to be a retractable dome.
00:10:25.220 So airplanes can take off and land.
00:10:28.000 Well, maybe we...
00:10:28.600 No, we put a build another airport outside.
00:10:30.640 Yeah.
00:10:31.280 Yeah, like we're not letting Airdrie in.
00:10:32.980 No. 1.00
00:10:33.440 No, they don't pay taxes.
00:10:34.600 No. 1.00
00:10:35.280 Screw Airdrie. 1.00
00:10:35.920 Screw Airdrie. 1.00
00:10:36.520 Yeah.
00:10:36.680 Set up a big toll booth. 1.00
00:10:37.560 Screw you, Airdrie. 0.92
00:10:38.680 Okay. 0.99
00:10:39.220 Corey, what are you spending money on?
00:10:40.840 You got 87 billion.
00:10:41.860 Go.
00:10:42.020 Yeah, well, I mean, presuming then that means we leave climate change alone, which obviously,
00:10:45.720 I mean, Gondek said it's an emergency.
00:10:47.160 So the temperature is going to go up on average 10, 20 degrees.
00:10:49.180 Well, no, no.
00:10:49.840 Dave solves climate change because it's going to be a climate-controlled dome.
00:10:53.200 Oh, yeah.
00:10:53.480 It actually would do...
00:10:54.360 I don't want the dome.
00:10:56.620 I want us to keep ramping it up.
00:10:58.640 I want that extra 10 or 20 degrees 0.94
00:11:00.060 because one thing Alberta really lacks is lakes.
00:11:01.900 We've got $87 billion.
00:11:03.400 We can make a big beachfront.
00:11:05.040 You can look at the aircraft carrier off in the distance,
00:11:07.940 palm trees, pineapple plantations.
00:11:10.700 I mean, this is an emergency.
00:11:11.880 Clearly, the climate is going to heat up fast
00:11:13.780 if we don't spend that $87 billion on anything else.
00:11:16.400 Where are you putting the lake?
00:11:18.220 You know, Forrest Long could use a watch.
00:11:20.100 Oh, this is getting dark.
00:11:23.300 This is getting dark real.
00:11:24.360 I'd recommend footwear when you're walking on the beach, though.
00:11:26.400 Okay, so I'm voting aircraft carrier.
00:11:28.760 Dave says dome, and Corey says
00:11:30.560 lakes, so you want to speed up
00:11:32.280 climate change. Yes, a nice hot resort.
00:11:34.260 Let's be tropical. Let's get on with this.
00:11:36.520 Okay. It kind of
00:11:38.280 means we don't really need the dome anymore if
00:11:40.040 we can actually just speed up global warming.
00:11:42.220 Yes, I guess it depends how long it takes.
00:11:44.680 Yeah, but then when we have beachfront property,
00:11:46.400 we're going to have to defend it. We're going to need that aircraft carrier. 0.98
00:11:48.380 We're going to need the Navy. We can use a combination of these things. 0.95
00:11:50.480 We can work this budget out. $87 billion.
00:11:53.020 That's a lot of money.
00:11:55.020 Maybe we could buy every house in Airdrie and just demolish it.
00:11:58.000 Make, you know, flatten it.
00:11:59.760 Your goal is Airdrie genocide.
00:12:01.840 We do have it for Airdrie.
00:12:03.380 He started it.
00:12:05.140 Well, this is my new favorite segment.
00:12:07.300 What do we spend it on?
00:12:11.260 Okay, more big numbers.
00:12:13.060 600,000 people plus are believed.
00:12:17.880 It's not yet confirmed by the party, but based on what we know,
00:12:21.000 we pretty credibly believe that there's going to be at least 600,000, well over half a million
00:12:27.320 people eligible to vote in the Conservative Party of Canada's leadership race. Dave, tell us what
00:12:32.040 we know about this. As you said, $600,000. And think about 600,000 new members. You think about
00:12:39.460 it, they each paid 10 bucks. And they got a significantly higher number than Trudeau and
00:12:45.780 the Liberals did when they were giving away memberships for free. Pierre Polyev has announced
00:12:50.820 he's got more than 300,000, and he's encouraged the party to be open about it and show who's got
00:12:57.160 one. Apparently, Patrick Brown has laughably said he's got 150,000. No idea how or why. I think
00:13:06.560 he's probably too busy figuring out whether he's going to run for mayor of Brampton again.
00:13:12.120 Jean Charest hasn't commented specifically, but he has said there is a path to victory.
00:13:17.320 I didn't say for who, but most people assumed he was talking about himself.
00:13:21.200 So that's a lot of processing that they still have to do down at CPC headquarters.
00:13:27.440 And they'll be spending a lot of the summer doing that.
00:13:31.060 That is going to be a lot of paperwork.
00:13:34.200 Our staff, we've hired surge staff for the summer to deal with our memberships.
00:13:37.520 Well, we've had a lot of memberships.
00:13:39.320 It's not in the universe of 600,000.
00:13:42.080 That is wild.
00:13:44.900 Corey, the only two campaigns that really is hard numbers,
00:13:49.280 and I say hard numbers loosely, softly.
00:13:53.380 I'm speaking softly when I say hard numbers, is Polliver and Brown.
00:13:58.380 Polliver's number is insane, but it feels believable
00:14:01.780 because we've seen the turnout at their rallies.
00:14:05.780 It would not really make sense for them to...
00:14:07.760 campaigns inflate these things in general, but I don't think they could, it would be inflating too
00:14:12.160 much. I don't want to be unfair to Patrick Brown, but there is a real feeling that his
00:14:17.000 kind of braggadocious release about 150,000 is a bit suspect. How likely do you think it is that
00:14:26.480 he's actually sold 150,000 memberships to his name? Word is that he'd been hitting the ground
00:14:31.000 very hard, very quietly, because he was refusing pretty much all media as well, but that he'd been
00:14:35.420 targeting ethnic communities and selling, you know, you could, you could presumably or ostensibly
00:14:40.580 sell block memberships to large groups of people and numbers of people. So maybe it's possible.
00:14:46.360 You know, the bigger question isn't just how many have been sold, but who can get them out?
00:14:50.380 How many of them are going to vote?
00:14:51.820 Yeah, because that's, that's the other half of the battle. You've got to galvanize. I mean,
00:14:55.620 getting a bunch of names on memberships, that's great, but turnouts and leaderships can be
00:14:58.740 terribly low. And it's not just what's spent, as you'd mentioned with the liberals,
00:15:02.100 even when they were free, they couldn't get that many. And then the turnout for that
00:15:04.940 leadership was terrible with an online vote at that. So it depends on who can get those. I mean,
00:15:11.580 can Polyev get all of those out? He's always worked strategically. I mean, you know, off the
00:15:15.660 start, as soon as the race announced he was in, constantly tweeting this petition, this petition,
00:15:20.300 this petition. I'm going to let that political secret out. Guys, when you sign those, it's data
00:15:23.580 mining. They're not tabling those positions in parliament. They're collecting email addresses.
00:15:28.860 Yeah, and then they follow up and sell memberships on it.
00:15:32.260 But the next step, they're not worth anything to you if they don't vote and vote.
00:15:38.200 You know, we saw something, I think, similar potentially with Kenny's campaign to remain as UCP leader.
00:15:45.480 He really targeted ethnic communities.
00:15:48.580 And, you know, they did play a role in helping make them UCP leader.
00:15:51.900 You can sometimes turn them out.
00:15:53.660 And obviously, it's, you know, campaigns should include minority communities.
00:15:57.920 It's an important part.
00:15:58.620 It's inclusive, including more people in democratic process. But the campaigns that focus mostly or exclusively on that tend to go a bit sideways. Kenny largely focused on those kind of ethnic and religious minority communities. And there is a voter motivation issue that, you know, with Kenny, the people against him were very motivated. They came out in big numbers. They voted against him.
00:16:22.000 the voting in ethnic politics is a bit more transactional often it's less less motivational
00:16:28.980 it's harder to turn them out they didn't turn out the numbers that the kenny campaign believed
00:16:32.400 that it would to save them uh and i i gotta believe that you know someone who goes to a
00:16:38.100 polliver rally and you know polliver says privatize the cbc and destroy the bank of canada
00:16:44.540 that person who signed up is gonna be a bit more motivated than you know someone that signed up at
00:16:49.980 some luncheon for some kind of ethnic transactional politics.
00:16:57.680 Brown's campaign is just, I've never seen anything like it.
00:17:01.180 You know, it's this Sound of Silence campaign, and it derailed a little bit.
00:17:05.880 He's got the support of four MPs, two of them left this week, to join Pollywood.
00:17:11.180 So he's only got two supporters, two MPs left, one of them being Calgary MP Michelle Rempel,
00:17:19.300 who still really hasn't explained why she tied her horse to that wagon.
00:17:25.480 So, yeah, it's a strange thing.
00:17:26.620 I would be stunned if he really did sell $150,000,
00:17:30.660 because that would probably put him in second place, even ahead of Charest.
00:17:34.140 If he did, in fact, sell $150,000, he would be in contention to overtake Charest.
00:17:41.020 I guess maybe we're being unfair to Lewis or something here in Bapper,
00:17:44.340 But I think reasonably we can expect Charest has been treated as the major challenger to Polliver. Brown potentially could become the one who would take him to the final ballot if he actually did sell $150,000.
00:17:58.100 But, you know, as we were saying, like, if that 150,000 is not including any ideologically motivated conservative voters, which doesn't really appear to be the case, and it's just purely kind of ethnic politics, I don't think there's going to be a particularly high voter turnout on that 150,000.
00:18:15.160 300,000 though if
00:18:18.580 Oliver didn't manage to convince a single
00:18:20.940 existing conservative party
00:18:22.800 member to vote for him and he sold
00:18:24.520 300,000 he has a chance of winning it
00:18:26.420 on the first ballot with just the new
00:18:28.620 signups and it's
00:18:30.280 like in many provinces
00:18:32.440 it's a quadrupling of the membership
00:18:34.400 now let's remember this is a point system it's not
00:18:36.420 one member one vote if you live
00:18:38.780 in rural southern Alberta
00:18:40.580 your vote counts about
00:18:42.020 100 times less than if you live
00:18:44.560 than, say, Montreal, generally,
00:18:46.660 because it's a point system.
00:18:47.680 Each riding's weighed equally,
00:18:48.760 regardless of how many members it has,
00:18:50.760 as long as you have 100 people voting
00:18:51.840 or more in that riding.
00:18:53.500 So, you know, that's what Charest is saying,
00:18:54.880 is there's a point system,
00:18:56.060 and based on the point system, I can win.
00:18:58.020 But what Polivar's claiming with Quebec
00:18:59.680 is that, you know, they've sold,
00:19:02.560 how many, 11,000 in Quebec or something like that.
00:19:05.920 And if that was the case,
00:19:07.200 then Charest claimed that he was going to win
00:19:09.320 every single of the 78 seats in Quebec.
00:19:11.920 That's probably not the case anymore.
00:19:14.560 Is there any path to victory for anyone besides
00:19:18.580 Polivar anymore?
00:19:21.100 As you kind of said, I mean, if somebody was really
00:19:23.500 campaigning across the country and did a very good
00:19:25.420 strategic campaign of membership sales, they could
00:19:27.680 pull something off. I mean, as you pointed out with that,
00:19:29.980 though, that is a death knell for Brown, even if he did sell
00:19:32.980 150,000 memberships, those are concentrated in this
00:19:36.400 community, this community, this community, they are not
00:19:38.300 spread out. So I mean, he's not going to win that that
00:19:40.760 variety of writings that he would have to to make an
00:19:43.300 impact. If the numbers were interactive, I think all you might
00:19:46.780 have it in the bag.
00:19:47.800 I think we have to point out that this is it you can't go out
00:19:50.500 and sell any more membership. The deadline has passed. So I
00:19:54.460 mean, God knows what they're going to do between now and
00:19:56.180 September. But yeah, Sheree can't try and get back in it by
00:20:00.800 selling selling more memberships.
00:20:03.400 So let's talk about the next stage then. There's no more new
00:20:06.520 members. The list is locked in. If you're not on the list, you
00:20:10.340 can't vote. So let's talk about next stages. Now the campaigns, there's two more stages. There's
00:20:16.700 persuasion of the members, people who are already members of the Conservative Party of Canada. You
00:20:22.480 want to now, now you want to fight for them. And then after that, get out the vote, GoTV,
00:20:27.820 mobilizing them to put in their ballots, get counted, turn them out. Corey, what do you expect
00:20:34.600 to see in terms, now that we're in the persuasion phase, you know, what do you expect to see from
00:20:39.420 the major campaigns it's gonna be hard because that's a real tough one you know people traditionally
00:20:43.720 they vote very much they'll you know dance with the one that brought them when it comes to that
00:20:47.840 so it takes a lot let's focus on the existing membership there are things you can do with the
00:20:52.860 new members you could maybe try to flip them but most for the most part people who signed up oliver
00:20:57.280 are probably going to vote for poliver people who signed up with sharae are probably going to vote
00:21:00.120 for sharae but the existing i should say the pre-existing membership before uh the campaign
00:21:06.020 started. Maybe they'd move a little more on to more where Sheree was, I think, in saying,
00:21:10.520 because he's always said, I'm the one who can win. Now it's, you know, the existing members,
00:21:14.480 you got the members. Okay, well, I'm just guessing, but maybe they'll take a bit of a
00:21:18.400 strategy. Okay, I'm the one who'll take us over the finish line in the general election when we
00:21:21.960 get the chance. Not so much on individual policies. These are already conservatives. You got them in
00:21:25.800 or they already came in. Now, why am I the person who's going to make us the party in power again?
00:21:31.440 But that message hasn't been working. That's been his message since the very first day. His slogan
00:21:35.300 when he launched at the Wild Rose Brewing
00:21:36.940 calendar here, he said, built to win.
00:21:39.340 That was on the podium. That's a slogan.
00:21:41.180 And that has not really been working.
00:21:43.020 I think Polyev is going to start embracing a bit more of that
00:21:45.220 too now. I'm just guessing as the
00:21:47.160 campaign's going to shift. The other thing is
00:21:48.540 they're really going to hope that something
00:21:50.960 tears Polyev down. They're going 0.81
00:21:53.080 to be watching because that's the only other hope they've
00:21:55.080 got. I mean, is he going to get into a scandal? Is there
00:21:57.020 going to be a stumble? Is he
00:21:58.160 caught in something
00:22:00.940 that's just going to derail his
00:22:02.640 campaign? But I don't
00:22:05.080 know if constantly attacking him will work uh i'm interested uh and you as an ex-politician
00:22:10.660 derek may know what do you do between now and september i think generally i think people are
00:22:16.100 sick of politics and they look forward to the summer where they don't have to to deal with it
00:22:20.660 or listen to it i mean does pauliev does he go to the barbecue does he go on the barbecue circuit
00:22:27.620 you know there's important conservative barbecues probably in every province certainly in calgary
00:22:32.380 Is that his best bet?
00:22:33.460 Is that Cherie's best bet?
00:22:34.100 Well, the traditional frontrunner strategy is when you're a frontrunner,
00:22:38.920 when you're ahead, stop talking.
00:22:42.060 That's what Doug Ford did.
00:22:43.240 Doug Ford in Ontario was ahead, and he just didn't show up.
00:22:46.820 He didn't talk to the press, really.
00:22:48.720 If he had an event, the press may or may not have even been invited,
00:22:51.940 and if they were invited, he didn't talk to them.
00:22:54.360 He didn't really campaign on it.
00:22:55.440 They didn't even have a platform.
00:22:56.480 He's like, otherwise, I'm going to build some roads and get it done, get it done.
00:23:00.720 Like, that was it.
00:23:01.900 That's a front-runner strategy, and that often works.
00:23:05.360 Now, what I saw, I think it was last night, Anthony Koch, he's the press secretary of Pierre Polivar.
00:23:11.660 I don't have the tweet in front of me, but maybe we'll pull it up here.
00:23:15.100 But he more or less said, you know, someone was saying this, saying, like, why is Polivar still attacking?
00:23:22.880 If he's, I think someone from the Charae or Brown campaign said, if Polivar really has this so in the bag, why is he still attacking our candidates?
00:23:30.720 and all the first press secretary said like that's the mistake front runners always often make and
00:23:36.740 that's why the last two front runners of the conservative party actually didn't win we're
00:23:40.020 never going to stop attacking you we're going to continue to go for you and he was just like a
00:23:44.060 jack russell terrier to say like i'm not going to stop until we got you like until they're done
00:23:48.000 i'm getting the distinct impression from the paul over campaign maybe they'll switch
00:23:51.740 but i'm getting the distinct impression they're going to campaign for the jugular to the very
00:23:57.620 very end. Now, remember, I think his attacks, though, are very targeted. He's not going after
00:24:03.420 some of the candidates who he's expecting to support on the down ballot, ones who are more
00:24:07.520 ideologically aligned. Lesley Lewis, Roman Babber. I don't think he said anything about Atchison,
00:24:13.280 but Atchison's not really got any drama. I haven't seen much in the way of distinctive policy from
00:24:16.780 him other than saying, let's get along. But he's gone hard at Brown, and he's gone hard at Charest,
00:24:23.260 And I don't think he's it doesn't appear right now like he's going to go into a traditional front runner, take it easy kind of campaign because it's a dangerous thing to do.
00:24:32.500 If it's not broke, you know, we don't need to fix it.
00:24:34.860 Right. I mean, it's worked so far.
00:24:36.160 It's got record numbers of people signing up to more than 300,000.
00:24:40.000 Might as well keep it up.
00:24:41.400 Yeah.
00:24:42.000 What do you expect to see now?
00:24:43.900 I really don't.
00:24:44.760 I'm not sure.
00:24:45.520 I mean, as you said, he might keep that up.
00:24:47.380 I mean, the other part is, as you said, the final phase is to get out the vote.
00:24:50.160 And it means that you've got your existing supporters, but you do have to keep them excited.
00:24:53.800 I mean, they don't want to see the guy they signed up for go silent for three months on a strategic plan.
00:25:00.540 They still want to see him active, see him out there taking some of the jabs and getting some of those policy points out, I guess.
00:25:06.240 So he'll carry on.
00:25:07.620 And I think maybe, I still have a suspicion that Brown is truly a stocking horse candidate.
00:25:13.460 And if there's a way you're going to try and derail Polyev,
00:25:16.920 that would be the one you're going to use to try and do it,
00:25:19.520 to try and knock him off his guard or invoke his candle
00:25:22.100 or something of the sort.
00:25:23.080 So when you get one out in the front that far,
00:25:26.840 you get some desperation too, and you can see some, you know, 1.00
00:25:28.900 it's politics, people get weird and stupid. 1.00
00:25:30.620 We can see some crazy tactics. 1.00
00:25:32.040 More likely than anything changing from Polyvors,
00:25:34.160 I think we could start seeing some real Hail Marys
00:25:35.920 from Patrick Brown and Jean Charest.
00:25:38.760 I think they know that unless something radically changes,
00:25:42.540 Poliverr is going to walk right into this. Unless there's some kind of implosion on
00:25:49.100 Poliverr's part. I just can't see anyone beating him at this point.
00:25:51.500 That's what I mean. They're hoping for it.
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00:26:50.060 huge. And the UCP leadership race list is getting huge. Huge. So far, by my count,
00:26:58.300 we've got Brian Jean, Danielle Smith, Travis Taves, Todd Lowen, Lila here,
00:27:04.460 Rock, what's Rocks?
00:27:06.760 Mare. 1.00
00:27:07.300 Mare Rock?
00:27:07.960 Just call Mare Rock.
00:27:09.040 Yeah.
00:27:09.580 Okay.
00:27:09.940 I think it's Jim.
00:27:10.760 Jim?
00:27:11.080 I was on my show the other day, yeah.
00:27:12.000 Okay.
00:27:13.660 Jim who?
00:27:14.920 Rock.
00:27:16.360 That's a joke.
00:27:17.240 Oh, I missed it.
00:27:17.800 Joe who?
00:27:18.380 Ah, yes.
00:27:19.120 Okay.
00:27:19.660 Okay.
00:27:20.200 Dated.
00:27:20.840 Okay.
00:27:21.500 Those are the ones confirmed, either officially registered or have announced and are in.
00:27:27.120 Still question marks over Michelle Rempel-Garner and Drew Barnes and maybe a few others.
00:27:34.080 It's a big list.
00:27:36.940 Am I missing anyone who we are expecting,
00:27:39.500 or at least is kicking the tires right now?
00:27:41.540 No, I don't think so,
00:27:42.420 and I don't think it's anybody unexpected that's announced so far.
00:27:46.420 You could probably predict them a few months ago,
00:27:49.040 apart from Mare Rock, of course.
00:27:50.520 We've actually never heard of him.
00:27:52.760 But, yeah, now the interesting thing is I think all attention is going to
00:27:55.580 focus right now on Michelle Rempel-Garner and what she's going to do.
00:28:00.260 So I personally think she realizes she's probably done in Ottawa now, aligning herself with Brown.
00:28:09.800 So if Paulyev wins, there's no hope for her to be in a cabinet position, I wouldn't think.
00:28:14.300 So, yeah, she's going to be interesting.
00:28:16.040 And then you've got Drew Barnes, who's, I think, desperate to lead something.
00:28:20.620 And we'll see if he throws his hat in the ring.
00:28:23.240 He's been certainly mulling it for a while.
00:28:26.020 Actually, I did leave some names off.
00:28:27.400 Rebecca Scholz.
00:28:29.040 She is, I think, a cabinet minister.
00:28:31.220 She is?
00:28:31.880 Yeah. 0.95
00:28:32.280 And then one other name, she's from Northeast Calgary. 0.99
00:28:36.320 Oh, and she's declared. 0.79
00:28:37.940 Boy, that is a declared candidate. 0.99
00:28:40.460 She was the minister of... 0.99
00:28:42.440 Children's Services or something? 0.84
00:28:43.560 Transportation. 0.99
00:28:44.360 Transportation.
00:28:45.320 What's her name? 0.99
00:28:46.120 I slaughtered her name on the last show, and you got on my case for it.
00:28:49.380 I'm trying to remember.
00:28:50.300 Yeah.
00:28:51.200 And I don't want to embarrass myself.
00:28:52.760 Okay, well, we're going to get that in a second.
00:28:54.680 So that'd be, okay, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 at least, and then 8, 9, 10 maybe, and who knows, who knows who else.
00:29:05.740 Corey, we should run Corey for Manchester.
00:29:09.340 Yeah, Rick Bell used to run for mayor. We must all run Corey for sure.
00:29:12.680 Rick Bell ran for mayor?
00:29:13.720 Oh, yeah, he did very respectable.
00:29:15.720 That's why he used to have his black hat.
00:29:17.880 Were these serious campaigns?
00:29:19.100 I was at the Sun at the time and I think he was in his drinking days.
00:29:25.200 It was good fun.
00:29:28.100 Sober Rig Belt wouldn't do that.
00:29:29.600 Actually, I don't know.
00:29:31.100 He might.
00:29:32.100 He's just as much a character now.
00:29:34.100 So that's Rajan, Rajan?
00:29:36.100 Rajan Sani.
00:29:37.100 Rajan Sani.
00:29:38.100 Are you sure she's declared?
00:29:39.100 She announced she's going for it.
00:29:40.100 Yeah.
00:29:41.100 Oh, well, I haven't done a story on that.
00:29:43.100 That's kind of bad on my part.
00:29:44.100 Yeah.
00:29:45.100 Let's triple check that.
00:29:46.100 Okay.
00:29:47.100 to run let's get the dinger that'd be fun we'd endorse him if uh if you like the idea of rick
00:29:54.480 bell running uh put it in the comments uh if as if there's enough we're gonna send this to the
00:30:00.060 dinger draft rick bell draft rick bell uh yeah if you if you like the idea write write in the
00:30:05.420 comments and then a hashtag draft uh draft the dinger draft dinger and uh and if there's enough
00:30:11.000 we're gonna send this we're gonna send this to him and uh see if we can get the
00:30:14.660 why not why not indeed but my only condition for supporting rick bell is he has to start drinking
00:30:20.960 again i'm not sure that's good for his health it's good for alberta remember when ralph klein 0.60
00:30:27.200 stopped drinking that's when ralph klein started to suck rick's still good and crazy and goofy 0.98
00:30:31.880 enough sober i mean come on even i dried out look i'm still an asshole it doesn't have to change 0.99
00:30:36.940 with sobriety we can still have a good but ralph klein was better as a drinker right like everyone 0.95
00:30:41.100 agrees? That period of his time, he was more effective. He got really soft when he quit.
00:30:45.680 Yeah. No more $20 bills with homeless people. That wasn't very nice to do. It was pretty funny.
00:30:50.460 Yeah. It was pretty funny. It was kind of a mean thing. It was not very nice.
00:30:55.760 Okay. Well, let's get your tops. It's a big race. A lot of people run for all sorts of reasons. Not
00:31:02.520 everyone actually even thinks they have a chance of winning. Sometimes you just want to talk about
00:31:05.800 your policies, sometimes you want to talk about just a couple of issues. Let's talk about some
00:31:12.020 of the newer entrants. We've already talked about Gene, Smith, Tabes, but we haven't talked a lot
00:31:17.940 about the others. We talked a bit about Rempel before because we had a scoop last week that
00:31:22.260 she's actively considering running. We've got reporters who are still digging around that now.
00:31:26.980 Things might be closer to a decision, but we're still waiting on a confirmation there. 0.97
00:31:31.040 Lila here had an interesting launch, a very unconventional place for someone of a conservative party to launch a campaign.
00:31:41.340 Yeah, the Ryan Jesperson show, a left-wing leading NDP-type digital radio broadcast.
00:31:47.920 Yeah.
00:31:48.120 It seems strange if you're running for the leadership of a right-wing party.
00:31:51.720 Yeah.
00:31:52.120 Yeah, Gord, did that strike you as odd, or is this just some kind of, is it smart outreach maybe to go to kind of a left-wing broadcast show like that, or?
00:32:01.540 No, I don't think it is at all, particularly in a party race.
00:32:04.740 I mean, this is a guy who, you know, maybe if you're looking at a general election, you're trying to say we're trying to broaden the tent and win.
00:32:11.420 But I mean, for the segment of, and Jesperson's show is more than just a little left.
00:32:15.700 I mean, he's been beating the crap out of the UCP since that party's been founded.
00:32:19.620 and his audience are definitely people who don't like it.
00:32:22.760 I mean, at best, sure, you could round up some people
00:32:25.200 and say, we'll support your leadership
00:32:26.600 because we want to take a chip out of the UCP,
00:32:29.240 but that's going to be such a tiny segment
00:32:30.980 of the real membership that gets made.
00:32:32.680 It was a bizarre place to kick off a campaign.
00:32:36.020 It really was.
00:32:36.720 I just don't see what she's thinking.
00:32:38.540 I mean, you want to stand out, you want to look unique,
00:32:40.560 that's a way to do it, but strategically,
00:32:42.080 I don't see how that's good whatsoever.
00:32:44.940 Yeah, yeah.
00:32:46.040 It seemed like if Trump was launching his trade policy
00:32:49.020 from an announcement in china like it doesn't make sense go on his show by all means of course
00:32:54.240 as a kickoff i mean that's sort of setting your tone that's saying where we're looking to go and
00:32:59.400 i'm certain you know she was a former cabinet minister had enough profile there's a number of
00:33:03.180 media outlets well you should get her on a show that maybe has a few more conservative what
00:33:06.460 conservatives watching maybe you should try to get her on your show we'll see i mean i'll be
00:33:09.320 reaching out to every candidate of course and just to correct it was uh bill rock who is the
00:33:13.520 mayor of amasca i don't want to get the wrong name out for that gentleman so yeah he was on the show
00:33:17.160 the other day. Well, let's talk really quickly about Bill Rock. Who is he, Dave? He's the mayor
00:33:23.900 of Amisk, which is, I think, just a small town of a couple hundred people. Excuse me. He's been
00:33:32.300 involved in UCP's politics at a lower level, attempted to run, I think, in the last election.
00:33:38.500 No, no, he ran for Wild Rose in 2015, I think. 2015. So he's sort of been, he's sort of all
00:33:44.940 rural all the time. He wants more of a focus on rural issues. Corey, you talk to him.
00:33:52.260 That's a lot of what I got out of the interview on the show is his platform. He says he's still
00:33:55.940 filling it out. I mean, he didn't have a website up yet, but he has registered. I mean, there's
00:33:59.960 some degree of seriousness.
00:34:00.660 He launched the campaign without a website first?
00:34:02.380 Yeah. But he's saying it's going to be...
00:34:06.580 That's that bad rural internet.
00:34:08.240 Yes. We need more broadband out there.
00:34:10.260 That was one of his issues he was talking about. There was rural voice.
00:34:14.940 in there he's definitely a very long shot but maybe i'm sure he probably knows that too sometimes
00:34:20.620 people just get in just so they can get some of their messaging out though uh we'll see if he
00:34:24.640 makes the the deposit and all that well another rural voice in and actually the second grand
00:34:28.920 prairie voice we're very heavy on grand prairie candidates in this very funny uh todd lowen
00:34:34.000 todd lowen he's a fascinating guy i served with him when i was in the wild rose he uh he was famous
00:34:39.800 when we'd have late night sittings he'd make waffles for everyone that were really really
00:34:44.360 good waffles uh he has this bizarre number of waffle irons because he's uh he's an outfitter
00:34:49.040 he does like hunting he's like a hunting tour guide and so he's got this cabin with just like
00:34:53.080 100 waffle irons and so he brings like 100 waffle irons or something crazy the legislature he's a
00:34:57.680 very interesting guy uh uh kenny says it wasn't him but kenny kenny has had him and drew barnes
00:35:04.120 kicked out of the caucus uh about a year ago i guess it was uh for criticizing his leadership
00:35:10.440 saying that he should resign um but so you have an independent who's not a member of the party's
00:35:16.300 caucus who's running it'd be very funny because if he i don't think he can win but if he did be
00:35:20.900 funny because the caucus would have to vote on letting the leader back into caucus he uh
00:35:25.380 at his launch last night he actually took the mickey out of uh uh kenny and his blue truck
00:35:31.900 because i'm not here for that type of blue truck i'm here for blue truck albertans basically saying
00:35:37.700 I think Kenny had become an elitist and one part of the old Tory crowd.
00:35:42.160 So, yeah, he's going to liven up the campaign, obviously, because he's not afraid to speak his mind.
00:35:50.380 I think it'd be a long shot for Todd.
00:35:53.920 But, I mean, he's definitely built some profile for himself.
00:35:57.480 He's more known now since he kind of started, became kind of a leader in that fight against Kenny internally.
00:36:03.420 What kind of impact do you think he can have on the race?
00:36:05.280 He can have a significant one, I think.
00:36:07.100 I mean, he speaks very directly and much to the, I guess you could say, the Wildrose faction of the party, of the merged party.
00:36:15.240 Him and Drew were kind of the two stalwarts, you know, from those older party days being back there.
00:36:20.980 And that could be a number of people on the ground who'll stand up for it, saying we want to push back and see that progressive conservative feel or that establishment feel of the other candidates.
00:36:29.880 And Lohan can pull that together around himself.
00:36:33.240 49% of UCP members voted against Kenny.
00:36:37.100 So that's a good chunk of population that may appeal to, that Todd may appeal to them because, oh, look, we didn't like Kenny.
00:36:45.820 This guy stood up to Kenny and Kenny kicked him out.
00:36:48.480 So I think he could have a fairly significant role.
00:36:51.440 He's long, but I think he'll have an impact.
00:36:53.580 So his seatmate in the legislature out in Siberia, where I've been sitting for a time, is Drew Barnes kicked out at the same time.
00:37:01.880 Drew Barnes didn't even call for Kenny's resignation. 0.98
00:37:03.340 He was just a general pain in the ass and they were getting rid of Todd. 0.98
00:37:06.360 Kenny's like, him too. 0.99
00:37:08.400 While we're at it, let's just get rid of Drew. 1.00
00:37:10.740 Drew's a pain in the ass. 0.99
00:37:11.860 So Drew's been out. 1.00
00:37:14.960 He's kicking the tires, contemplating running,
00:37:17.160 but he's been kicking a lot of tires for a very long time
00:37:20.100 of different parties and different ideas.
00:37:24.580 What's the over-runner?
00:37:25.640 Is he likely to run?
00:37:28.560 He's probably sitting back and sort of seeing
00:37:30.420 what kind of reaction Todd Lowen gets, I would think.
00:37:35.020 He's a smart man.
00:37:36.360 politically, I don't
00:37:38.520 think that he thinks he can win, would be my
00:37:40.600 guess. And if he doesn't think he can win,
00:37:42.780 I'm not sure he will.
00:37:44.880 Okay.
00:37:46.440 Rebecca Scholz, what's she the minister
00:37:48.640 of?
00:37:50.280 Isn't it Child Services? 1.00
00:37:52.260 It's usually a deaf ministry, that one. 1.00
00:37:54.220 She did alright if that's the one, because that's usually 1.00
00:37:56.600 where you really... Yeah, either way, it's a problem
00:37:58.580 if we don't know what ministry she is, and she's a minister
00:38:00.800 running...
00:38:01.900 That's more indicative of the problem of the county government, to be honest.
00:38:04.760 I mean, we had a lot of ministers you'd never even heard from because everything was Kenny, Kenny, Kenny.
00:38:08.560 So that's an additional issue while we're at it, right?
00:38:12.420 We do have ministers who've sat and we don't look the heck out.
00:38:14.940 So Rajan, I don't know how much impact she's going to have.
00:38:19.400 But, you know, let's get her on your show and hear from her directly.
00:38:21.760 But we haven't heard much in terms of what her campaign's about.
00:38:25.960 I mean, you've got a list of 12, 13, but, you know, in reality, it's probably only four or five people that have a chance.
00:38:32.280 Well, we've got to wait for them to release what is the requirement for entry going to be.
00:38:36.180 Yeah, and that's coming next week.
00:38:37.700 We had a story up there on the site today.
00:38:40.940 They're still working on it.
00:38:42.040 They haven't got it all figured out yet, but it'll be next week.
00:38:44.220 They got price in charge of that.
00:38:45.960 They set it at a reasonable amount, a lot of people wouldn't enter.
00:38:48.660 But if it's really, really high, well, it's going to keep it back.
00:38:50.960 So I want to quickly talk about Rajan Sani, now that we got her name right.
00:38:55.680 I don't know her, but she's kept a pretty low profile during all of this.
00:39:00.720 She has been somewhat critical of Kenny, even though she was a cabinet minister, which is quite interesting.
00:39:08.700 Cabinet ministers do not get publicly critical of their leaders.
00:39:12.420 It's rare enough for an MLA or MP, but especially for a cabinet minister.
00:39:16.400 But I think she represents a constituency in northeast Calgary, you know, a lot of ethnic and religious minorities.
00:39:23.780 But I've heard, you know, a lot of old-time Wild Rosers actually speak fairly highly of her, at least as a very competent minister.
00:39:31.560 Corey, do you think she's going to have any kind of serious impact on the race?
00:39:34.380 I don't know. I'm kind of with you. I don't know her. 0.92
00:39:36.120 I don't know much about her, to be honest.
00:39:38.820 But I mean, when we talk about some of the political play, 0.99
00:39:41.760 she's got a constituency that has a lot of motivated voters you can target.
00:39:46.000 I mean, Northeast Calgary, that's the hornet's nest of party politics.
00:39:49.440 A lot of engaged members up there, as you said, of religious and ethnic minorities.
00:39:55.040 I mean, they don't all vote necessarily the same way.
00:39:57.500 Of course not, but there's definite defined blocks that can be campaigned to and brought out.
00:40:04.160 So I imagine that's where a strategy is going to be in, and it could pay off.
00:40:09.180 Well, I don't think we'll get into her because we've already discussed her on a previous show,
00:40:12.900 but Michelle Rempelgarner, I think, is still the big wild card in this race.
00:40:17.880 Our Edmonton-based Alberta Legislative Bureau chief, Rachel Emanuel,
00:40:23.660 confirmed an exclusive story last week that she is actively kicking the tires, actively considering
00:40:30.180 a run. I think she's probably closer to a decision now, but we're going to have to wait on some news
00:40:35.900 on that front. But if she runs, she's definitely a big name. I'm not sure how competitive do you
00:40:45.160 think she'll be? I'll start with you, Dave. Well, I think she'll be competitive. She hasn't done
00:40:51.220 badly down in ottawa she's uh you know wins her elections by huge huge amounts but you know the
00:40:56.900 critics will say look we've brought in high profile uh tories from ottawa before and look how it's
00:41:02.340 worked out a failure with kenny a failure with prentice you know why do we need another ottawa
00:41:09.220 person ottawa based person to uh to lead the party but you know what she'll attract interest no doubt
00:41:14.100 about it uh you know she'll be right in there amongst the leaders correct she's got automatic
00:41:20.020 profile, but I mean, we kind of, you know, we were talking a little bit about that before.
00:41:22.620 She's taken some really way out there stances recently, which some people say, oh, that's
00:41:28.000 good. It's, it's your own person. And it spreads out. But in reality, you alienate a whole lot
00:41:31.880 of people. Every time you take a fringe stance on anything, I wouldn't call fringe, but a defined
00:41:37.100 one, you know, as many as you gain. So, I mean, she was part of the Buffalo Declaration, which
00:41:40.740 was almost quasi secessionist for the West. And then she went on that bizarre thing about
00:41:46.340 apologizing for being white. She kind of bounces back and forth. And it's not that she gained a
00:41:52.420 bunch of supporters on each side in those things. When she did that, she lost a bunch over here and
00:41:56.300 lost a bunch over there. So she's really going to have to define who the hell she is to build a base 1.00
00:42:01.440 of support. And it can be done, but she's going to have to get on that because nobody quite knows
00:42:04.860 where Michelle lands these days. But it is, she's got the name recognition, right? All three of us
00:42:09.380 couldn't pick out the cabinet ministry we're talking about in the police lineup, which she's
00:42:15.100 that's a huge problem that she's going to have to overcome, which Michelle Rumpel doesn't. 0.99
00:42:20.980 And she is razor sharp. She is smart, and she is a legendary organizer. And that, 1.00
00:42:27.600 in internal party races, matters a hell of a lot. The ability to sign up members,
00:42:32.120 mobilize them, and get them to vote. And she is incredible at that. I mean, I think it is a bit
00:42:38.000 strange. I still can't really figure out why she's won the Patrick Brown campaign. But it
00:42:43.400 was a huge win for the Patrick Brown campaign and everyone recognized that I'm not sure really her
00:42:51.060 talents are going to be put to good use in that kind of campaign because it's just you know it's
00:42:54.540 a purely ethnic targeted campaign it's not trying to actually win over people who you know are
00:42:58.920 ideological or partisan conservatives in any sense but she's smart she's a good organizer 0.69
00:43:04.040 I think that you know she'll definitely have some political branding issues to work out like where 1.00
00:43:08.760 does she stand in the party? These issues you've talked about, but I wouldn't underestimate her. 1.00
00:43:15.140 Her organizational abilities and her wit is going to make her challenging, I think, if she gets in.
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00:44:14.140 It's been a slice and God bless.
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