THE PIPELINE： Canada needs ICE
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Dave Naylor fills in for Corey Morgan on his show, The Pipeline. Nigel Hannaford and Dave Naylor talk about the new world order, why Canada needs ICE, and why Canada should be as cool as ice.
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G'day and welcome. I'm Derek Phil DeBrant, publisher of the Western Standard, and you're
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watching The Pipeline. Today is, the hell is the date, it's the 21st of January. Still
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getting back into the routine of it. It's actually the first year of my life. I think
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I've not actually gotten the year wrong once when writing out the date. I'm getting
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better in my old age. I'm joined by Usuals, former Western Standard opinion editor Nigel
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Hannaford. Nice to be here. Western Standard news editor Dave Naylor. G'day.
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And filling in for Corey Morgan on his show and his sled on the pipeline is, uh, it's
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Lindsay. Hi. Lindsay Wilson. Lindsay Wilson. Your date was changed before. I had a brain
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fart. Okay. Yeah, I got caught. Uh, all right. Uh, well, we're going to be talking about the
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new world order as, uh, Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney sees it. He, uh, was in China for
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a trade deal. He gave a speech to the World Economic Forum in Davos, uh, followed today
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by, uh, by, uh, Donald Trump. Uh, very interesting stuff there. He used the world, new world, word,
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newer, the term new world order, which is, and then went and flew immediately to, uh, the
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World Economic Forum. I'm sure that won't set conspiracies, uh, alight. Um, we're going to
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talk, uh, total recall failure. These big, audacious plans to recall every single member
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of the UCP in Alberta. Uh, they have failed. Operation Total Recall is a total, total failure,
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it would appear. Uh, uh, they've, uh, their main target, the education minister, ostensibly,
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uh, Demetrio Nicolaitis, ostensibly the guy they wanted the most to get, uh, for using
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all the standing clause, legislating teachers back to work, uh, and also the guy who I think
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holds the closest, most narrowly won UCP seat in Alberta. They failed to get him in a recall
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and they failed by about a hundred miles. They didn't even get within screaming distance.
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Uh, very embarrassing. Uh, but first we are going to start off with why Canada needs
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ICE. Uh, what does ICE stand for again? Uh, Integration and Customs Enforcement.
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Yeah. Uh, not a lot of government departments I, I like. Uh, the Rat Patrol in Alberta is
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one of them. Uh, ICE in the United States, that makes my list too. I, I, I love ICE. I want
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so much more ICE. Um, I, I think the, the style of the Trump administration, they're, they're
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hyping things. They put out these edits, they're kind of hype edits. And I think if ICE
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is actually portrayed by the U.S. government of way more hardcore than it actually is, I
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think it's probably, for the most part, fairly mundane. But you've got these, uh, protesters,
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mostly Somali illegals and liberal white women in Minnesota, who, uh, are committing
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serious crimes disrupting federal law enforcement from carrying out its lawful duties, uh, resulting
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in, uh, one woman who did some very inadvisable things and ended up getting herself shot for
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her trouble, um, uh, just the other week. Um, but it's, uh, it's totally out of control.
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Now they're attacking churches, literally invading Sunday services during, during service, invading
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religious services. Uh, they're pulling people out of cars and attacking them. It is total
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mayhem. Talk of invoking, um, the, uh, the Insurrections Act in the United States. Um, maybe we'll just
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start with what's happening there and then we'll, then maybe we'll get to why, why Canada should
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be as cool as ice. Well, I think you, uh, summed up pretty well what is happening there. What
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you didn't mention, which is highly significant is the role of elected officials in stimulating
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disorder. When you have the governor of the state, when you have the mayor of the city saying,
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resist ice, uh, by the way, uh, cover your cell phones, make sure that you, you're not easy
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to follow. Um, here's, we'll, we'll give you, tip you off where ice is operating. Go there
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and make a scene. Uh, the Insurrections Act is probably, yeah, you would, you would, that
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is an insurrection. Uh, and it's astonishing because it's one level of government contending
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with another. We very, very seldom see that so overtly. Obviously we've seen lots of, uh,
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resistance among blue states to red, you know, red presidential, uh, uh, uh, government, but
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very seldom that you actually see that go out and say inciting violence. So as for why, well,
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you know, there's a massive fraud down there. And when all those tales of that are told,
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it's probably going to lead back to the governor's office. In which case he has every reason to,
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to, to distract attention. I mean, this is just in one city. If it works there, I'm sure the people
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who organized it, and this is organized, it's not a spontaneous eruption, you know, would take the show
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on the road and see if they could, uh, disrupt elsewhere and provoke a, an overreaction from the
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Trump administration. Now, the point about all of this really is that why would you not have,
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an immigration enforcement, if you're a serious country and you have a border, people penetrate
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the border in not hundreds of thousands, but in millions, they're there illegally, either you're a
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country or you're not. So you go and get the, uh, and ask them to leave and assist by putting them on
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a plane. Some of these people are awful people, not all of them, I'm sure, but some of them are
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really bad. And so I share your appreciation for what ICE is actually trying to do down there. Uh,
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I think I saw some numbers, uh, yesterday that 2 million people had self-deported from the United
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States. 665,000 had been removed. That still leaves about 7 and a half million to go. People who,
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Just from the, uh, Biden era, from just the Biden era. Just the Biden era. Yeah. So walked across the border,
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which is itself illegal, doing whatever they can to survive. And you can't have that many people
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walk into a country without having an effect, which brings us to Canada. Um, we are nowhere near as good
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at keeping track of people as the Americans are, and they certainly struggle with it. But I think the, uh,
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the, the, the, uh, the number I saw when I was looking all of this up, um, we have undocumented,
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undocumented population estimates ranging from 600,000 to 1 million as of mid 2025.
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You, I mean, it's purely speculative when you don't know for sure as to how far this could go,
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but this is really driven by over a million work permits expiring in 2025 and another 900,000 next
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this year. Uh, and they, they come here and then they don't go home. Well, they're not the, you know,
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they're not the rapists, the thugs, the murderers, and so forth that ICE is dealing with in so many
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places in the United States. Well, the deal's the deal. You give you a visa for two years, you come in,
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you work, you do whatever you're here to do, and then you go home and reapply if you want to come
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back. But there is an issue. Canada just never takes this stuff seriously, but it needs to.
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Well, one of the, uh, Lindsay, one of the, you know, it, the fraud taking place in Minnesota is,
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I shouldn't say well-documented. It's just becoming known now, you know, the leering center and,
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you know, the funny stuff we've seen that's costing Minnesota taxpayers an arm and a leg. Uh,
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it's also voter fraud because, I mean, if you look, you know, look, let's put the map up on the screen.
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Um, the states that require ID to vote versus the states that do not require ID to vote.
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You notice any overlap in how those states vote? States that do not require identification to vote
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overwhelmingly vote Democrat. States that require ID to vote overwhelmingly vote Republican.
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And the ones where it's a little mixed about where you, how you need to vote, they tend to be swing
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states. Um, you can't like, there is by some estimates, uh, Minnesota could lose a whole
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congressional district with the deportations going on. And the deportations are actually
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not that extreme as Nigel went through the numbers. This is, they've actually only deported 300,000
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people. That's a very small fraction of the illegals, uh, that are estimated to have come through
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during just the four Biden years, uh, where it was quite explicitly welcomed, uh, for people to come
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in, where they actually cracked down on say Texas for actually trying to defend the US border. Um,
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it's, it's voter fraud. Uh, that's one reason I think these Democrat politicians are so intent
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on, uh, defending, uh, stopping deport, deportations of illegals is that they need them to vote.
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Uh, and in states that don't require a voter ID, well, they're just taking their word for it. You're
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telling me that, you know, the guy running the leering center, uh, would, uh, think twice about
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casting a ballot without being a citizen? I don't think so.
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I mean, I just want to jump in here and just say, uh, I know a lot of really great hardworking
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immigrants and every immigrant that I speak to, who's come here to Canada through legal channels,
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they are the biggest proponents for protecting the borders. They have escaped regimes. They have
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escaped communism. They have escaped, uh, dictatorships and they've come here to work
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hard, build a better life for their children. They don't want this country to turn into what
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they ran away from in the first place. I am the daughter of a refugee from communism. And I grew up
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with all of the horror stories and they're not stories. They were the truths of what really happened.
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And so I think we have to, you know, we, we let the left really turns this into a big culture war.
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You have to protect your borders as a country. That's not being racist. That's not being against,
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that's not trying to ethnically cleanse a culture or a country, right? And you have to have voter ID.
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It's insane. You guys, it's insane to think that we don't have to have voter ID. That should just,
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I forget who said it, but someone put it, well, uh, some, some lefty was saying, uh, voter ID is racist.
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How, uh, you know, this is, this is, this is racist. Someone replied with a great remark says,
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just pretend it's a, uh, a vaccination, uh, passport. Right. But everything's, everything's racist.
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You're trying to buy a sandwich. Right. Exactly.
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Speaking of racist, the, uh, the other person not coming well out of this is, uh, our friend,
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Don Lemon, who, uh, who, uh, stormed a friend in quotation marks, who stormed into that church in Minnesota.
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And then, and, uh, later, uh, broadcasts, uh, said all those people in there were not real
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Christians. And in fact, were white supremacists, uh, and which basically at the end of the day,
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it caused one of the greatest laughs I've ever heard coming out of Derek, Derek's office.
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Oh, what did I do about when he was being charged?
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Oh, yeah. Okay. So he's being charged, uh, you know, for invading a church. Uh, there's something
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called, you know, you know, America, they've created names for their legislation. This one's
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called like the KKK act or something. Cause you know, black churches would be targeted by,
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uh, by some unpleasant people, uh, like the clown. And so it's called the KKK act.
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And so he, Don Lemon, a black guy is charged under the KKK act on MLK day. Martin Luther King
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shooter today. Like the, um, I mean, sometimes the universe just comes together. You know,
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God doesn't often just reveal himself to us, but sometimes he gives us pretty strong hints that he
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is real and works in this world. You gotta wonder why Lemon inserted himself into that situation.
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I mean, he's professionally, he's on the down track anyway, but this, I think he just wants to
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try and be relevant again anyway, kid. Well, I, I guess, you know, these kinds of people think
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that the lit this legislation should only target the other and maybe traditionally it only has
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that it should target, uh, a Klansman coming into a black church, but they don't think that the same
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law would apply to a black man invading a church with white people in it. I don't, I don't, I'm sure
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there was probably others in it. I don't know. I, I haven't seen the congregation of the church,
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but he just seems to think that law wouldn't apply to him. No, if a bloody whale does, uh,
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maybe traditionally there's been governments that just wouldn't apply it to him, but it
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seems pretty reasonable here. It was, that was, it was chef's kiss good. Um, but you know, Dave,
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there's, there seems to be zero appetite from Canada's federal government for any kind of similar
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enforcement. They're just relying on people who were let in on into the Trudeau years, uh, saying,
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well, you're supposed to, uh, you're supposed to go home. I mean, it's got about as much teeth as
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the recently announced federal gun grab or, you know, uh, everyone got, all the licensed gun owners
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in Canada got this, this letter in the mail from the government saying, thank you for not using your
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prohibited firearms during this period. Uh, please kindly hand them in to Papa Carney.
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Uh, is there 25? How many did they yield? I think they got 25 guns. And that is out of like Cape
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Britain where people are relatively more deferential to the government. And how much did it cost to
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implement this whole gun grab? They spent millions on it. Millions. There's one taxpayer at the end
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of the day. Yeah. So, I mean, it's got about as much teeth as that. Thankfully, uh, you know,
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instead of setting government door to door and go round up the guns of lawful, you know, uh, peaceful
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gun owners. Uh, so that's obviously not hard, but in Canada, you know, our, our whole plan to get rid
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of all of these people who are now here illegally because we let them in legally temporarily. Um,
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I think Trudeau was planning on, they were just going to be here permanently. They're here under a
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temporary visa to work, but, uh, there was a big wink, wink, nudge, nudge that you are going to be
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here, uh, uh, uh, permanently go to some, uh, diploma mill, get a bullshit degree, uh, or, sorry,
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diploma in something that you didn't have to show up for class, get your bullshit diploma from a diploma
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mill. Uh, you know, after a couple of years, you get permanent, permanent, uh, permanent
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residency and then citizenship. There was kind of a wink, wink, nudge, nudge. So they didn't even
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bother tracking, tracking these people. We've just asked them to go. And yeah, I'm sure some
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have probably gone. Um, but we've got no idea. We haven't, we have nothing like ice in Canada
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to, uh, to crack down. According to the, uh, the facts revealed in the investigation, we've lost
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track of 30,000 who actually, uh, are wanted for deportation orders as opposed to merely a little
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student from somewhere who's been pulling coffee for the last two years. You probably aren't that
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interested in her, but there are some bad dudes out there that we were interested. They're deportation
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orders. We don't know where they are to enforce the orders. Well, you know, I want those guys gone
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first, but actually I do care about the person who's just been, you know, pouring coffee for two years
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because we've flooded the labor market. We've created this underclass of people or people born
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in this country can't get entry-level jobs now. It does matter. We've distorted the labor market.
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We've taken away people's birthright. It actually does. And we can't, there's just no way any
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society can integrate this number of people from an alien culture. You can't do it. There's just too
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many. So yeah, I mean, there is the big fish to fry and they should be the first ones. There's 30,000
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In theory, I completely agree with you, but there's one particular one who does pour coffee,
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who my son wants to marry. So I want, I want her here. Okay. We're allowed to be a little bit
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particular. I got my exceptions on my list too.
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I've got people on my, uh, do not deport list as well.
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Okay, good. Yeah. All right. Um, well, let's, we'll zoom it out. Uh, I guess it's Canada and the States again.
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Um, so, uh, Kanye was in China, uh, for trade talks. Um, I mean, it's something we should always be
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pretty leery of because China is a pretty hostile actor. Uh, it's notoriously been involved in our
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elections, uh, intimidation of Chinese Canadians, uh, manipulation, manipulating them. It's, it's
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something we need to be on guard on, but you know, under the Trudeau government, Canada had opposed a
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hundred percent tariff on electrical vehicles coming into Canada that was designed to make
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Doug Ford happy to protect the not yet really existent EV battery and EV manufacturing industry
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in Ontario subsidized with endless billions of both Ontario and federal taxpayer dollars.
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Uh, I think it works out to something like $5 million of taxpayer subsidies per job. It's,
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it's worse than Bombardier. Like it's, it's sickening how subsidized these things are. So
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it's an industry that I don't think the laws of economics agrees should exist. Um, but China
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in retaliation slept a huge tariff on, uh, uh, Canadian canola, uh, beef and, uh, pork,
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which are particularly important to the West, especially, uh, canola, canola and beef, but pork
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as well. So the West, Western Canada was being penalized to support an industry on Ontario that
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doesn't even really exist and exists only by a combination of tariffs and massive, massive subsidies.
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Uh, Carney went to China and got a deal. Yes. Yes. Yes, he did. Uh, much to the, uh,
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disgust of, uh, Doug Ford, uh, who today called for, uh, all Canadians to boycott, uh, Chinese
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electrical vehicles, even though they'll be a lot cheaper than, uh, the ones, the ones built here. And
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he got on his, uh, plane and flew to, uh, United Arab Emirates, signed some memorandum of
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a understanding there and then flew into the WEF where again, he took center stage to talk about
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his version of the new world order, said the old world order is gone. It's not coming back. Stop
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being, uh, sentimental and, and nostalgic and urged the, uh, the, uh, the non-major countries of which
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Canada would be one, uh, to get together to protect themselves from the major countries.
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And we of course know he's talking about the United States there and their grand plans.
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Uh, speech went down in liberal circles. It was the best speech since, uh, Winston Churchill was alive.
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I would argue that it goes beyond liberal circles. I'm, I'm really amazed at how many people are just
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stunned at his, at his charisma. I mean, the guy can talk and, and it's very distracting because,
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well, it's identity politics are what they are. And I think the conservatives are in a little bit of trouble.
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Well, I disagree with, I disagree with you about charisma because every second word is, uh, uh,
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yeah, but it's a change to have a Canadian leader who's intelligent, uh, who's up.
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Look where the bar has been set. I mean, uh, I, I was talking to some normies yesterday and who are not
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very liberal friendly, uh, but they're not, you know, total red pilled off the wall red wing.
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And, and, you know, they're like, yeah, I don't agree with everything he said, but I mean, it was,
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it was refreshing to hear a Canadian prime minister say something that wasn't retarded.
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Well, the bar was very low. The bar was very low.
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You've said the bar is so low that if you come in with your pants on to the podium, I guess the
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borrow phrase for Corey tonight, back to the 2015 debate, a prime minister shows up with his pants
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on for a major speech. He's exceeding a bar here. So, uh, I think he did well. Uh, you know, let's play the,
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the tiny clip here where he talks about the new world order.
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And I believe the progress that we have made in the partnership sets us up well for the new world order.
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Okay. So that was not, um, a part of prepared remarks. I think that was actually in China where
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he said it. Uh, you could tell he's just kind of speaking off the cuff. He's like new world order and
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halfway through the word order, he realizes, oh shit, I just said new world order. That's,
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that's going to set some people's spidey senses tingling. Uh, the memes are coming. Yeah.
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I'm not sure that that is a part of a grand plan or anything there. Uh, I think that's more of,
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well, there is a new order to the world very clearly taking place. You can argue maybe it's
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a return to a much older order. The, uh, you know, pre second world war order of great power,
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politics, real politics, uh, or even pre world war one, you can argue that, but it is a new world
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order. There's new world order, small caps. And then there's new world order, big caps as a noun,
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uh, it can mean different things, but yeah, then he takes off to the world economic forum, Nigel.
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Uh, I mean, the combination of those things, uh, China, new world order, world economic forum,
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uh, it, it makes for an eyebrow raising, Max. Well, it certainly does to the, uh,
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to the point of the speech from the technical point of view, it was a good speech. It followed
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the classic Aristotelian laying out of, you know, introducing yourself, laying out your facts,
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making the argument and so forth and arousing, uh, arousing ending. So in that sense, it was good.
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And if you were a part of that very small percentage of people whose conversation is about
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variable geometry, uh, hegemons and hyperscalers, value-based realism, plural, plural lateral trade,
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all the kinds of things that we talk about when we're just having coffee and wasting time,
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you know, you, you probably found that highly illuminating and something to really think about.
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But there's one thing about that, uh, and again, this is, in some ways, this, this is a product of the,
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of the good intentions that went into preparing this speech, which I suspect is Mr. Carney's personal
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speech, not a speechwriter prepared thing. Um, but you know, he starts off talking about the, the United
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States kicking over this old world order. That's never going to come back. Well,
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Russia and China kicked over the world order that had emerged after the second world war,
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but 30 years ago, um, what is it about the United States that it becomes the country that has to
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uphold this world order that nobody else pays attention to and which the people that it benefits,
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Canada being among the first of them, uh, don't seem to want to pay for it. Uh, that he did not
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address. There, he should have talked about what our obligations are. He spoke for quite a while about
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what we were going to do, but we've never done it in 50 years. Patrolling the argument, not patrolling the
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Arctic, you know, we have a satellite that looks down on it and I see something fishy. They tell the
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Americans, they tell the Americans, you know, I mean, no, I, I know that was kind of a, an injection
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of sarcasm, but the actual fact, we don't even shoot down balloons, you know? So like it was heavy on
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the, uh, it really was a deceptive speech, uh, for all that it was a good speech. And I can see the
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people who don't think about things very much. Ooh, he did do well. You know, everybody clapped.
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They gave him a standing ovation. Well, Harper got a standing ovation. Everybody gets a standing ovation.
00:24:55.880
I don't, I don't think Trump did. Well, possibly not. But I tell you what,
00:25:00.760
Trump was on message when he said, Canada is not grateful. We don't pull our weight. I would be all
00:25:06.760
for a Canadian government that would. Mr. Carney says he's that government, but frankly, I don't believe him.
00:25:12.840
Well, if you're getting a standing ovation at the World Economic Forum, you're probably
00:25:16.200
doing something wrong. But, uh, yeah, I, I think we're saying prove it, prove it.
00:25:21.800
Yeah, but look, a lot of words out of this guy. I think Trump is not necessarily destroying.
00:25:27.480
He is knocking over the existing world order, but I think he recognizes it's already dead.
00:25:32.360
It's, uh, it's running on the fumes, uh, it's running on the fumes of legacy and it's being paid for and
00:25:39.320
underwritten by America. I think he recognizes it's already done. You have had the incredible economic
00:25:45.640
miracle from a Chinese perspective of China. You have Russia becoming recovering confidence and
00:25:51.880
reasserting itself after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Um, and Europe in right, right now,
00:26:01.240
before our eyes, essentially ceasing to become European. So like losing that shared sense of
00:26:06.280
history and civilization, Europe is about to become something totally different, no longer a reliable
00:26:11.800
civilizational partner. So everything is changing already. I think he just sees, he sees this and says,
00:26:18.840
I want to cash out. This is the show's already over a lot of, you know, it's like if you've seen
00:26:23.400
the movie margin call, he knows something that the other guys don't. And so he, he's, um, uh,
00:26:31.720
he's betting against, he's betting against the market and to try to cash out decouple America from
00:26:36.840
these institutions, from its liabilities while we can. And in this new world order, uh, you know, the,
00:26:44.440
the, the strong take what they will and the weak suffer what they may exhibit Greenland.
00:26:51.800
Right. It was when he quoted Thucydides to launch his speech that I thought, Oh,
00:26:59.080
this is good. Oh, I, if, if I had ever prepared a speech for Harper with a line like that,
00:27:08.440
Greenland is perhaps the one country in the world. Even Canada could have taken.
00:27:11.480
Yeah. Barely, but we maybe could have pulled off Greenland.
00:27:14.840
Well, we've got more Doug Deans than they do. So that's a, uh, I'm sure you're right there.
00:27:19.080
Yeah. But look, the Yanks owe $38 trillion. The interest on that $38 trillion is more than what
00:27:25.960
they spent on their military. They have got a very big financial problem. And just to expect the
00:27:31.480
Americans to carry on paying the freight for Western security, it's time everybody else stepped up.
00:27:37.960
But it was not even just that. I think Trump is now fine to let NATO die because NATO had shared
00:27:46.040
security interests and it was a shared civilization. It was essentially the main block of, uh, Western
00:27:53.240
countries and Europe, uh, is essentially ceasing to become Western right now. This is not a theoretical
00:28:00.280
thing. It is not down the road. It's right now ceasing to become Western. And so at that point,
00:28:06.760
well, if, and it's, and it's scarcely democratic, if you know, if you look in, uh, Britain, Germany,
00:28:11.960
any of these countries, you'd be jailed for offensive tweets or criticizing government officials.
00:28:16.840
Uh, so they, they no longer share civilization in common. They no longer share values around free
00:28:22.920
speech. Uh, so this leaves America without any real, um, connection to it. So Europe is going to now do its
00:28:34.040
own thing. It is probably going to go under in my lifetime. Europe is almost certainly going under.
00:28:38.840
So why should America underwrite it? Maybe, maybe you can argue it had an interest to do so during the
00:28:44.520
Cold War. And during that time, European countries did pay more for the military, still less than the
00:28:48.200
States. They needed the States to keep the Soviets out. But at this point, what interest does America
00:28:53.720
have an actually cropping up Europe? Yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong. I regret the passing of the,
00:28:59.560
the old order, but, uh, sometimes you've got to face the fact that we have not done what we needed
00:29:06.760
to do to preserve it. We have relied upon the Americans and those days have done. So I have,
00:29:13.960
you know, I was waiting with the phone in my hand for Trump to land into the artery bin and
00:29:19.000
Davos and sort of just to say, well, here I am. Oh, this is, but he didn't. I can't imagine why.
00:29:26.920
Yeah. Okay. Well, let's, uh, bring it closer to home here. Uh, Lindsay, uh, so we have, you know,
00:29:35.560
there was the big teacher strike. The teachers are offered a pretty fantastic deal. I was actually
00:29:40.200
quite angry at the UCP for offering them as much as they did, uh, far above raises, far above what
00:29:46.200
people in the private sector are getting. Uh, and of course, if you're a teacher, unless you diddle
00:29:51.000
a kid, you've got job security for life pretty much. Uh, and even then the ATA will defend you
00:29:55.400
to keep your, uh, diddling job. So, um, the, but they just, they, they were not negotiating.
00:30:03.720
The UCP legislated them back to work and used the notwithstanding clause to essentially court,
00:30:08.920
challenge, proof it. It's done. Uh, the unions lost their minds and they say, well,
00:30:14.520
we're launching a recall against every single member, uh, who voted for that back to work
00:30:20.200
legislation, which is every single member of the UCP. And, uh, target number one was the
00:30:26.680
education minister, Demetrio Nicolaitis, uh, Calgary Bow. Calgary Bow was either the absolute
00:30:32.120
closest or damn near about the absolute closest constituency in the last Alberta election.
00:30:38.680
The UCP very narrowly won it, uh, against the NDP. So if they were going to have a chance
00:30:45.240
anywhere in Alberta, it was going to be Calgary Bow against Demetrio Nicolaitis.
00:30:52.200
Update us on how well that's gone. Yeah. It hasn't gone so well. So, well,
00:30:56.120
depends on what side that you're on, certainly, but you know, when this, I, some of us were really
00:31:00.440
busy with the municipal election that you may have heard about in the fall. And, uh, you know,
00:31:04.680
when this first came out, I thought, Oh, UCP is in trouble. Like this is bad news, blues, right? I
00:31:10.120
mean, there is, there are gathering, there's, there's marches, there's, it didn't look good at
00:31:16.520
all for the UCP, but timing is everything in politics. And this has blown up. Like this has
00:31:24.360
blown up like, like a Led Zeppelin, like an atomic bomb. This has blown up for the NDP because it became
00:31:31.000
so angry and so vitriolic so quickly. And they fell so short. So there's 26 recalls,
00:31:38.600
recall campaigns. And the only one that I think probably from the UCP's perspective that they
00:31:44.120
were legitimately worried about was the education minister with Demetrius Nicolaitis. And that's
00:31:48.840
fallen, that date has now passed, right? They were, they, they needed to reach the 60% threshold.
00:31:54.680
And, and they, I, I actually, we'd have to look up the numbers, but they were very,
00:31:58.920
they were thousands short. 6,500, they got 16,000 they needed.
00:32:05.400
I mean, that's not just like, Hey, good effort guys. Right? Like that's like,
00:32:08.840
this was a total bomb, total failure. And I mean, let's be honest about the true cost to
00:32:13.320
the taxpayer, right? Like it costs a lot of money if these recalls even went through. So
00:32:17.720
there's a bit of an irony here, right? Like recall legislation is UCP legislation. And it did backfire
00:32:23.000
on them initially in the sense that, you know, it gave their opponents this big megaphone,
00:32:26.920
but it also acted as the real world stress test. So, and the law held and recalls hard,
00:32:31.240
and that's probably by design. So the problem for the NDP is they really overestimated
00:32:38.120
how transferable this union anger would be to the general electorate and the timing's really bad for
00:32:44.040
them. You know, if this was like minutes away from, from a set date provincial election, I would say,
00:32:49.960
you know, the conservatives would have been in a lot more trouble, but there's so much time to rebuild
00:32:53.720
between now and whether it's this coming fall or whether it's in 2027, there's so much time to
00:32:58.840
rebuild. And this just looks like a bunch of angry union activists. And it doesn't even look like
00:33:05.400
the grassroots had anything to do with this. So I think, I think it shows a lot. So this, this showed
00:33:12.280
that there was intensity without reach, that there's loud activism that just didn't translate beyond a
00:33:17.080
very narrow base. And it's, it's a good news story for the UCP. And it's all what they do with this.
00:33:22.440
I do want to say a little bit in defensive teachers. I want to say that I'm, I'm a huge proponent for
00:33:28.200
choice in education, right? I believe the funding, funding follows the student. There's a lot of
00:33:32.760
misconceptions out there that, you know, this funding, private education funding, like there's no,
00:33:40.200
it doesn't cost, there's no tuition for you, like there's school fees, but there's no tuition for you to go to
00:33:44.840
charter schools. The reason that charter schools and independent schools, and as a parent who has
00:33:49.320
one public, one in Catholic and one in independent school, I will tell you which one hands down is
00:33:53.880
the best school. And that is the independent school. Is that just, is that your situation?
00:33:58.120
That is, I have one each. I truly do. I had to pull one from the Catholic program, not against the Catholic
00:34:04.600
institution, but I, my, my child has some unique challenges where she needed some more supports and
00:34:09.800
she needed to be in a different kind of program. The, these independent schools are phenomenal.
00:34:15.720
I am not a wealthy person. And there's this stigma that still, still, still the advocates
00:34:22.360
can't break through that independent schools, charter schools are for the wealthy. They aren't,
00:34:26.280
most of the students are not wealthy. They're not from wealthy families. So let's just, let's just
00:34:32.200
refer to, just very quickly. Let's refer, we're not talking about charter schools.
00:34:35.800
No, we're not. But anyways, that's the anger machine that comes behind this. So let's have a
00:34:40.120
little bit of compassion for, yes, we know that schools are overcrowded. We know teachers need
00:34:44.120
more resources, not necessarily more pay. They got that right off the hop. But at the end of the day,
00:34:48.760
this comes down to big federal immigration problems where there's hordes of people coming
00:34:53.080
into this province and all of our systems are strained. So if you want to blame somebody,
00:34:56.920
maybe don't necessarily blame the UCP government and maybe look to the federal policies that
00:35:00.760
and now it lies to happen. So back to recall. The one wearing the big clown suit and all this
00:35:11.960
is Gil McGowan. When, when the teachers were ordered back to work, he blew a gasket.
00:35:17.880
He called press conferences, general strike, general strike. He's getting, he's talking to all his union's
00:35:23.160
going to be a general strike, going to overthrow the government. And it was some pretty slick recall
00:35:28.200
stuff. But you know, I got handed in my mailbox, printed out stuff and it wasn't cheap. And it was
00:35:34.040
all, I'm sure AFL money. I'm sure if you're a union person, you're not overly thrilled with the way your
00:35:40.120
dues have been spent on this. Allegedly. Allegedly. But if you're, you know, he, he, he played in,
00:35:48.520
he went all in, he went all in on this and he was confident and it's just blown up in his face.
00:35:54.360
And it was a, it was a dismal failure. I think as we've been predicting here since day one.
00:36:00.200
Yeah. Now if there is anything they get out of it, it's that, uh, now the NEP is denied they had
00:36:05.800
anything to do with this. Okay. Sure. Um, but it's, you know, it's kind of like the independence
00:36:12.200
movement. The independence movement is not the UCP, but you know, in the Venn diagram of the
00:36:16.680
individuals involved, it overlaps a lot, right? So, uh, the NEP has claimed it was not involved.
00:36:24.120
Yes. On an official organizational level, I'm sure Nenshi was not saying, okay, go knock on these doors
00:36:29.640
here, but on the personnel level, it's the same people. Um, but there is something they do get out
00:36:37.160
of this. You are mobilizing organizations of volunteers in advance of a campaign and you're
00:36:44.040
building lists of identify, identifiable voters. So if someone's willing to sign a recall campaign
00:36:49.000
against the UCP MLA, there is a strong likelihood that they are at least open to voting for the NDP
00:36:55.000
or not for the UCP in the next election. So there is something to be gotten out of this, out of these,
00:37:00.760
out of these failed campaigns. If you say you did an, uh, a citizen's initiative referendum petition,
00:37:06.120
same kind of thing. Even if you didn't hit your threshold, you're building lists, you're building
00:37:09.640
organization, you're raising money. Someone's getting, someone's raising, someone's getting paid
00:37:14.760
out of this. So, I mean, there, there is some political and electoral benefit out of it. Uh,
00:37:21.080
I, we're not seeing the kind of egg on face that one would expect if the legacy media was being fair
00:37:28.200
and even, even keeled about this kind of thing. You know, it was front page news over and over and over.
00:37:33.960
Hey, Danielle Smith is being recalled in her writing. Guys, I know Brooks. She ain't getting
00:37:39.000
recalled. It's not bloody happening. I mean, but it is newsworthy that, you know, the camp, you know,
00:37:44.520
those petitions were being started and it's newsworthy, but this was front page headline
00:37:48.440
everywhere. It seems to be getting downplayed quite a bit, Nigel, uh, now that these things are
00:37:54.920
epically failing. Yes. Well, of course there is a tendency within the news media to look for patterns
00:37:59.880
and events. So if, uh, Demetrius Nicolaitis is getting recalled, this person is getting recalled.
00:38:06.200
Oh, we've got a, we've got a momentum here. There's something, Daniel Smith is getting recalled.
00:38:10.360
It's everywhere. Okay. And then all of a sudden it isn't, then the story falls apart and they leave
00:38:15.400
it alone. I mean, it happens in so many different fields and some of them aren't political. Um,
00:38:22.280
but, uh, are we talking about media bias here or are we talking about...
00:38:25.880
I'm just saying how the media started the recall campaigns, but, uh, I mean, they, they've failed
00:38:31.240
tremendously. Uh, yet there, there's egg on their face, but they're not, they're not getting the
00:38:36.120
kind of, uh, embarrassment that they probably deserve for failing in every single riding.
00:38:40.600
I think that, I think this is actually very promising for the UCP, uh, for all the obvious
00:38:46.440
reasons, but also for this other reason, they have been the subject of a propaganda attack now for
00:38:54.200
more than a year with the unions and the medical associations relentlessly broadcasting their
00:39:02.360
opinions about the way that the Smith government is handling health. You can't turn on the local
00:39:09.400
radio here without it'll be a message from the nurses or it'll be a message from the doctors.
00:39:15.080
And it's consistently anti-Smith. Nobody speaks up for them.
00:39:18.120
The truth of the matter is that it's an incredibly, uh, difficult file, which they all know,
00:39:25.640
and that the Smith government has made some important changes of policy, which they also
00:39:31.960
know and deeply regret because it's their ox that's getting bored. The public doesn't really
00:39:37.000
get into it that deeply. So my point on this is that if the public didn't respond to the recall
00:39:43.720
campaigns in what was it? 21, 22, 26, 26, if the public in 26 marginal seats is not responding
00:39:53.480
to a recall, a campaign, I have some hopes that they are going to ignore this relentless propaganda,
00:40:02.040
which is very misleading and not to the, uh, not to the advantage of the UCP. UCP is going to have
00:40:08.440
all the problems they want. Well, I remember their stated objective was the recall. Every single MLA who
00:40:13.160
voted, uh, to legislate the teachers back to work. So that's 50 odd, 53, something, something like
00:40:19.160
that. Uh, every single one, they got petitions certified, which doesn't take a lot, but they
00:40:23.880
got petitions certified at 20 odd. And in the very, very, the one that they had the very best chance,
00:40:30.200
when I, I admit, even I thought maybe they'd have a chance because it was such a closed marginal
00:40:33.880
seat and he's the education minister. They got blown out of the water. And also like,
00:40:41.080
how hard is it to get someone to sign a petition? Like, you know, people, Canadians are so polite.
00:40:46.600
Hey, would you sign this petition? Sure. What's it about? I don't know. Whatever you, you're out
00:40:52.360
here in the cold and you know, you're working off. I'll sign your petition. That's a lot of people
00:40:57.400
saying, ah, you trigger, trigger, right? Like, do you care about kids? Do you care about, I think,
00:41:01.480
can we just touch on the fire start of this whole thing, which is the notwithstanding clause or the use
00:41:05.320
of it? And there was, there's so much out there and, and maybe you, the UCP could have perhaps
00:41:10.360
done a little bit better of a job at communicating how and why they used it. Right? So at the end of
00:41:15.640
the day, my general understanding of this is the, they used it because like, I mean, our kids were
00:41:20.760
out of school for what, three, four weeks of this, it was a ludicrous amount of time. It was very
00:41:24.920
difficult to juggle that period for most parents. I know myself included, but the government said,
00:41:29.480
listen, if we don't use this, this is going to get tied up in courts forever and cost a boatload
00:41:34.360
of money. So they implemented that and very quickly, just some quick stats for people to
00:41:38.360
keep in mind. And this comes from my friends at the Alberta Parents Union. When it comes to
00:41:41.960
the direct impacts on children from prolonged strikes, lower immediate test scores, increased
00:41:47.480
absenteeism, reduce the lifelong education students attempt to receive, harm lifelong earnings for
00:41:53.560
students and hurt immediate earnings for the family of the student. It's incredibly disruptive.
00:41:59.000
We learned all this through the pandemic era. Teachers need to be in the classroom with
00:42:02.760
our kids and the government really, I don't think they had any other choice.
00:42:05.960
Yeah. Okay. All right. That's it for there. We'll put a pin in our main headlines,
00:42:11.400
go to our parting shots. Lindsay, is this your very first time on the pipeline?
00:42:14.760
This is the second time you pulled me in really quick. Last time I subbed in for Corey.
00:42:17.720
Okay. So last year, but we didn't have parting shots then. So this is your first parting shot.
00:42:20.920
So you get to go first. Oh man. I think I'm going to circle it back to what I talked
00:42:26.600
about on the show earlier today, which is just... That's not the parting shots. It's okay.
00:42:30.520
Parting shots. Okay. What is the parting shot? It's okay. Well, here, we'll go first.
00:42:34.280
Okay. Let's keep going. It's something we didn't talk about. Okay.
00:42:36.840
It's something we didn't talk about. Let me show. Let me, let me hear you.
00:42:39.320
My parting shot. I was on the cruise of the internet this morning. I came across Michelle
00:42:45.000
Rempel on X and I felt like people, people need to hear this. So look, Carney's speech invoked the words of
00:42:52.520
Vaclav Havel in that book, The Power of the Powerless. We can do politics and we pick up on Havel.
00:43:01.080
And the anecdote goes that Mr. Carney cited Havel's greengrocer who refused to display the regime's
00:43:08.440
propaganda sign to argue that Canada and the other middle powers must reject superpower incursions on
00:43:15.960
our sovereignty. Yet for the past decade, it is actually the liberal government that has asked
00:43:23.240
every Canadian to hang a deceptive sign in their windows. One that argued everything was fine
00:43:30.760
and that ignored a decade of liberal policies that will leave us with an unprepared military,
00:43:37.000
underdeveloped natural resources, and seemingly untouchable internal trade barriers. And I thought
00:43:43.160
Michelle had it and I would like everybody else to get it too. There.
00:43:48.520
I think one of the bigger issues and it's going to become bigger and bigger and bigger is
00:43:53.240
euthanasia in Canada, medical aid in dying. And I just want to throw out to my colleague Nigel here,
00:44:01.240
who this week published a big report in the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms,
00:44:07.640
a bit of a mouthful, about the subject. So, Nigel, where can people go and read your report?
00:44:12.680
Thank you very much. And look at Linda Slobodian's work on this as well in our files.
00:44:18.360
I've got one. I just want to throw to Alberta independence movement. This has a lot of moving
00:44:23.800
parts right now. There's a lot of pro-separatist people out there. There's a lot of people are
00:44:27.160
somewhere in the middle. There's people who are very good conservatives, I would consider, who
00:44:32.040
are really fighting for a united Canada. So, everybody be nice to each other out there. There's a
00:44:36.120
lot of evolving parts. This doesn't have to be an us versus them. Watch out for labels,
00:44:40.360
pay attention, but do not underestimate this movement that's happening right now. It is
00:44:44.360
a very organized effort with a lot of grassroots people working behind the scenes. And hopefully,
00:44:49.480
we will somehow see democracy in action as a result at the end of the day, however this shapes out.
00:44:55.720
I was going to talk about how Ezra Levant of Rebel News kind of, you know, did the,
00:45:02.280
I don't mean this pejoratively, did the kind of the ambush, came up with a mic, asked him a question,
00:45:05.880
because it was right after, you know, another major court defeat for the federal government
00:45:14.120
from Trudeau's time when they invoked the Emergencies or War Measures Act against the
00:45:19.400
Freedom Convoy. And Trudeau had nothing to say about that. But I got better. It just came to me.
00:45:25.400
I've been thinking about this for a few days now. You know, I mentioned how we're, you know,
00:45:30.280
the feds are now trying again to go and confiscate the firearms of people, of law-binding Canadians.
00:45:36.040
And they say assault style, firearms, military, assault rifles, etc. None of them are, except for
00:45:43.480
one, which they unbanned because a certain group, they don't want to anger uses them. But this comes
00:45:50.520
literally days after the Globe and Mail got its hands on a report from the Department of National
00:45:55.320
Defense about kind of gaming out a hypothetical American invasion of Canada. And it was realistic
00:46:01.720
enough to know that, yeah, we can't do shit. I mean, even if Canada had a serious military,
00:46:06.600
it couldn't do shit. And because we have no military, we could do even less shit. But it says
00:46:12.120
best case scenario is, you know, Canadians could fight a guerrilla war, you know, like the Mahajideen
00:46:18.520
or something like that, hit and run tactics. So we have no military. And our backup plan is a guerrilla
00:46:27.640
war with the irregular soldiers taking their own firearms to make hit and run attacks against the
00:46:33.480
American invader. With what guns do they propose we do that? So I mean, maybe they're going to
00:46:40.520
confiscate all our guns, and then they'll have some drop off points. So in event of an American
00:46:45.720
invasion, break glass case of American invasion, you can come get your guns back to defend the regime
00:46:50.680
that took your guns against the regime that would probably give them back to you. Great plan for
00:46:55.720
national defense. All right. I mean, this would make a great like kind of dark comedy. Like a
00:47:05.800
sequel to Canadian bacon, Americans do invade, and Canadians go to get their weapons to fight the
00:47:11.160
American invader. And we remember, oh, our own regime took them from us. Who's going to be the
00:47:15.880
brave Canadian who jumps on a horse and rides somewhere and says, the Americans are coming.
00:47:20.840
Paul Revere in reverse. Yeah. All right. That's it. Nigel, Lizzie, Dave, thank you very much.
00:47:28.920
And John, around in the studio, thank you. Thank all of you for joining us on the pipeline today.
00:47:35.240
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