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00:00:00.000 G'day, today is July 2nd, 2025.

00:00:28.960 I'm Derek Fuldebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard, and you're watching The Pipeline.

00:00:33.600 I'm joined, as usual, by my two good friends here, Western Standard opinion editor, Nigel

00:00:38.840 Hannaford.

00:00:39.480 I'm regular Wednesday slot.

00:00:41.480 Yes.

00:00:42.100 And Western Standard senior Alberta columnist, Corey Morgan.

00:00:45.080 Always a pleasure.

00:00:46.340 Actually, maybe a bit of housekeeping first.

00:00:48.740 We should announce that at a to-be-exactly-confirmed date in August, Nigel Hannaford is going to

00:00:57.140 be retiring for a second time in his career.

00:01:00.000 Hail and farewell.

00:01:00.680 Well, you've done a hell of a job, and you've unfortunately just left me with a pickle of

00:01:06.420 trying to find someone who can fill those shoes.

00:01:09.840 Good luck.

00:01:10.160 Well, we're going to miss Nigel very much, but I don't know.

00:01:19.280 Well, for the confidence of the viewers, it will be for another five, six weeks anyway.

00:01:22.840 Indeed.

00:01:23.020 Okay, well, two great Canadians, Bonnie Henry and Theresa Tam, are being honoured with Canada's

00:01:35.380 highest entrance into the Order of Canada.

00:01:39.560 We'll be talking about them, and I think we're standing by Don Cherry is being put in

00:01:44.640 too, right, finally?

00:01:45.740 Oh, sure.

00:01:46.600 Yes.

00:01:47.360 Yeah.

00:01:48.520 I'll be the day.

00:01:49.180 So, yeah, the kind of Laurentian Clareme de la Creme that is the governing body of the

00:01:55.640 Order of Canada, deciding to put Bonnie Henry and Theresa Tam to join them in this highest

00:02:02.420 of high honours.

00:02:04.200 Alberta announced just today it is creating its own police force, I think it's called the

00:02:10.960 Alberta Sheriff's Police Service.

00:02:12.940 Uh, Danielle Smith says this is not to replace the RCMP.

00:02:19.420 Critics of, uh, the sovereignty agenda say it is to replace the RCMP.

00:02:26.140 And, uh, people like myself who love the sovereignty agenda say, I hope it's to replace the RCMP.

00:02:31.200 Um, the old Progressive Conservative Party of Alberta might be back.

00:02:40.040 Two exiled, uh, MLAs from the UCP have, uh, registered the name for the Progressive Conservative Party

00:02:47.400 with, uh, Elections Alberta.

00:02:50.360 Uh, there might, we'll get into if they actually technically will succeed in that or not, but

00:02:54.780 they might.

00:02:55.200 Um, they have said that, uh, the UCP is so corrupt and so big spending that the answer

00:03:01.960 to it is to bring back the party with the highest spending and the most corruption in

00:03:06.520 the history of Alberta.

00:03:08.640 Uh, before we get to that vote, we're going to start Nigel with, uh, elbows up.

00:03:14.860 Mark Carney, uh, promising he's going to fight the bad orange man and we're going to do what 0.91

00:03:19.700 we want and he can't stop us.

00:03:21.700 And then he folded like a cheap tent in trade negotiations, uh, just, uh, I think less than

00:03:29.200 an hour, less than a day after saying the digital services tax is here.

00:03:34.360 We're going to pose it on Canadian consumers using, uh, American products and it's here

00:03:39.180 forever.

00:03:39.580 And Donald Trump can't stop us.

00:03:41.780 Trump walks away from negotiations.

00:03:43.980 Carney folded like a cheap tent.

00:03:45.520 Yeah.

00:03:45.960 Well, I was just hoping that, uh, Mr. Trump's next, uh, demand will have something to do

00:03:51.180 with supply and management.

00:03:53.480 Uh, so look, well, the digital services tax, uh, I mean, it was, it's actually a, uh, Trudeau

00:03:58.720 era legislation that was due to come into effect yesterday, June the 30th, uh, it was retroactive

00:04:05.240 to 2022.

00:04:06.180 Well, what it was, it was to apply to companies that operate online, uh, marketing and, uh,

00:04:12.600 online advertising services, social media platforms, uh, streaming like Netflix.

00:04:18.300 Well, this is how it would have gone.

00:04:20.580 Supposing that you had actually, uh, uh, booked into a, uh, booked into Airbnb.

00:04:28.220 Uh, and then you, uh, um, when you got there, you decided to sit down and relax, uh, with,

00:04:35.000 with, uh, something from Netflix.

00:04:36.620 And by the way, you had Amazon drop off something or, uh, or a fast food drop off something.

00:04:42.680 You'd have been paying 3% on all of that.

00:04:45.460 Yeah.

00:04:45.780 That's a digital services tax.

00:04:48.000 You order online, you, you pay the tax.

00:04:51.260 So the thing was that everybody said, oh, well, you know, just fold it like a cheap.

00:04:55.920 We, he certainly did fold and he should have.

00:04:57.900 But I mean, the thing was, it's not like this would have been taxing American companies.

00:05:02.140 No, it's taxing Canadians using it.

00:05:03.780 Canadians do use American companies.

00:05:05.600 So that's like sort of putting a tariff on American food and then say, there, we showed

00:05:10.020 them, no, you didn't.

00:05:11.040 You showed us that we're not paying a dollar for something that used to cost 75 cents.

00:05:16.860 So this is, uh, this was never a good thing for Canadians.

00:05:20.980 Even, even if you sort of like the idea that your, your people shouldn't be able to just

00:05:26.440 come in and do business here without paying tax, we're the one we would have been the

00:05:30.340 ones paying the tax.

00:05:31.960 So that's what they did.

00:05:33.160 And, uh, when, uh, when Mr.

00:05:34.900 Trump was notified about it from you, I don't know, maybe Howard Leavitt walked in and said,

00:05:40.300 you know what they're doing up there in Canada, digital service tax, and by the way, sir,

00:05:44.980 it's retroactive to 2022.

00:05:47.320 So some of your biggest fans are going to have to come up with a couple of billion dollars

00:05:51.520 to give this to Carney.

00:05:53.000 And he said, Oh, deals off.

00:05:54.940 We're not talking to those guys until they get rid of it.

00:05:57.260 And so it's gone.

00:05:59.020 So I think really the takeaway from this one, Derek, is if you want something, nevermind

00:06:03.160 talking to your MP, nevermind talking to your lawyer, send a note to the white house

00:06:08.020 and things happen.

00:06:10.360 Yeah.

00:06:10.740 Uh, the, the kind of, uh, net, the beginning of this tax, um, you know, came from Trudeau

00:06:19.040 before he became prime minister.

00:06:20.620 He was kind of talking about this and, uh, Stephen Harper will recall, talked about Trudeau's

00:06:26.440 plan for a Netflix tax and the media roundly laughed.

00:06:30.320 They were rolling in laughter at this crazy conspiracy of, uh, Stephen Harper claiming

00:06:36.000 that Trudeau would impose a, uh, digital services tax or a Netflix tax.

00:06:41.320 And then of course they did impose the Netflix tax.

00:06:44.200 This has been coming down the pipe for a long time.

00:06:46.600 The Americans have been unhappy about it under, under the Biden administration as well.

00:06:51.040 Uh, you know, they, they've been unhappy about it.

00:06:53.340 There's the Biden administration that did not really do much besides huff and puff about it.

00:06:58.200 But, uh, it was due to come in.

00:07:03.340 Uh, the Canadian government said, this is our business is not America's business, even

00:07:07.600 though it acts as a de facto tariff against the American products paid for by Canadians.

00:07:12.640 And the Canadian government is rightfully by pointing out to the Trump administration

00:07:16.180 that, well, you know, you know who pays tariffs.

00:07:19.620 It's American consumers are making life more expensive.

00:07:22.740 That argument does not seem to, uh, have applied in reverse when the liberals were talking

00:07:27.480 about this tax.

00:07:29.000 Um, but this is largely pushed by the Quebec cultural industry that likes to keep out anything

00:07:35.740 American.

00:07:37.480 Um, and then, uh, and we were just 24 hours before the liberals were adamant.

00:07:43.220 No, this is here to stay.

00:07:44.360 This is happening.

00:07:45.080 Nothing you can do about it.

00:07:46.500 Trump administration walked away from, uh, the negotiating table and then they just folded.

00:07:50.940 Corey, the liberals I've seen put out some propaganda around this claiming that they played Trump

00:07:59.580 here.

00:08:01.040 How have the liberals played Trump here?

00:08:03.940 They're trying to polish a turd.

00:08:06.000 Uh, to be blunt, and you can't do it, but they're trying to save a little face where there's

00:08:10.080 none to be saved.

00:08:10.960 I, I guess there's, there's people will take the statements of the liberals at face value.

00:08:14.980 You, you know, the, the ones we see online, they'll just believe, you know, somehow do

00:08:19.800 some mental contortionism to call this a win.

00:08:22.860 And, uh, they're, they, they have no other answer for it.

00:08:27.360 I mean, it's a terrible loss.

00:08:28.500 It's a backtrack.

00:08:29.500 It shows weakness, unfortunately, in the face of the guy who is the biggest bully on the

00:08:34.340 international block right now.

00:08:35.980 And, and we kind of know that when you capitulate to a bully, he doesn't stop.

00:08:42.000 He pushes further.

00:08:43.760 Eventually Carney has got to actually show this elbows up thing of his.

00:08:48.480 I mean, as we said, we're not too sad to see the end of the digital services tax.

00:08:51.800 So anyways, it's a win for Canadian.

00:08:53.860 It's a win for consumers in Canada.

00:08:55.600 It's a loss for the government.

00:08:56.820 Yeah.

00:08:57.120 But the, the point of principle on the part of the government showing that they can be

00:09:00.260 slapped over on things they said were not going to bend it.

00:09:02.820 Or in the course of the 24 hours, you know, Trump's just going to come for another bite

00:09:06.300 at something and they're really going to start building a revenue problem soon because they

00:09:10.080 were counting on a big gouge out of this and they're not going to get it.

00:09:12.560 $7 billion over five years.

00:09:14.840 I think it was, wasn't it?

00:09:15.540 Yeah.

00:09:15.880 Something like that.

00:09:16.500 Or as much as I think I saw over, you know, $3 billion a year, perhaps.

00:09:19.320 It's hard to tell.

00:09:20.900 Uh, but I mean, it's a big chunk of money when he's been spending like crazy and he's not

00:09:25.120 cutting anything and, uh, he's just going to be printing money.

00:09:29.120 They're in a bad position.

00:09:30.180 Well, let's talk about what might come next.

00:09:33.980 Let's pray Canada continues to get out negotiated here because, uh, the more Trump demands in

00:09:40.680 concessions from Canada, the better it seems to be for Canadians.

00:09:45.100 Uh, Trump demanded that Canadians get a tax cut and we got a tax cut.

00:09:50.480 Okay.

00:09:50.800 That, that, that's an odd thing.

00:09:52.020 Um, but the next big, uh, pee under the mattress in these negotiations is supply management.

00:10:02.220 As you touched on Nigel, uh, Canada's Soviet style quota command and control system of

00:10:08.600 dairy, eggs, and poultry.

00:10:10.280 Uh, and it's particularly most damaging in the, in the poultry, sorry, in the, um, in the,

00:10:16.940 in the dairy, in the dairy side of it.

00:10:18.900 Um, Trump, no, one, Wisconsin, uh, you, you won some of these dairy, uh, not Vermont, but you

00:10:26.660 won, you know, Wisconsin's the big one.

00:10:28.060 They want to be able to export into Canada freely.

00:10:32.200 Uh, that's impossible with the trade, uh, with, with, with, with the supply management

00:10:36.520 system.

00:10:37.560 They're demanding it go.

00:10:38.860 Now, the liberals have said, it's not up for negotiation.

00:10:42.660 It's off the table, elbows up.

00:10:45.680 Uh, but they already said that about digital services tax, but the liberals voted with the

00:10:50.920 block and half of the, the cowardly half of the conservative, uh, caucus, uh, to pass a

00:10:57.120 block bill that makes it illegal to, um, negotiate away, uh, supply management and have any kind

00:11:04.720 of free trade and dairy, et cetera.

00:11:06.800 But ostensibly the trade bill will be a bill and a bill can amend other bills.

00:11:13.120 So I'm not sure that bill that the liberals just passed with some of the other parties,

00:11:17.460 including half the conservatives actually is going to, you can't stop them from talking

00:11:22.160 about it.

00:11:22.940 No bill could stop politicians from negotiating it, but the final deal will then be put

00:11:27.100 into legislative form to be brought before parliament.

00:11:30.200 And that can simply abolish that bill that just passed.

00:11:34.940 Exactly.

00:11:35.660 It's just legislation.

00:11:36.900 You know, have you given any consideration?

00:11:39.740 They're just having sort of a chiro across the bottom of the screen says, got a problem

00:11:44.500 with Canada?

00:11:45.600 Here's the white house number called gutter.

00:11:47.660 All right.

00:11:47.880 We should do that just to, just to make a point.

00:11:51.060 And so the, the thing with supply management, maybe one of you guys can understand, tell me what

00:11:56.740 it is that keeps it alive because there's something like 10,000 dairy farmers.

00:12:00.960 Before I go any further, I eat cheese, I like butter and I drink milk.

00:12:04.280 And it's a, you know, I got nothing but good things to say about well-run professional farmers

00:12:10.500 doing a good job.

00:12:11.760 But the thing is you have to buy into it.

00:12:14.340 You have to buy the license.

00:12:16.280 It's like the way the taxis work.

00:12:18.500 You have to buy your license before you get in.

00:12:20.520 And then you're told how much you can produce, how much you can sell and what price you're

00:12:25.960 going to get for it.

00:12:27.040 So as long as they don't have expensive tastes, they are extremely secure in what they do.

00:12:33.480 Good for them.

00:12:34.620 It's worked for a long time.

00:12:35.980 There's no, there's no animus here, but there are 10,000 people producing milk and butter in

00:12:43.220 Canada and there are 40 million people who need it and are need to pay perhaps as much

00:12:50.820 as five times the price.

00:12:54.120 If you go onto the government of Canada website and look up the trade page, you will find that

00:13:01.120 they admit that they pay, they charge as much as 230% tariffs on American dairy products.

00:13:11.120 That's, I guess, what it takes to keep the Canadian farmers competitive and secure.

00:13:18.180 And I just say, you know, 230% is clearly too much.

00:13:21.960 I don't know whether 23% wouldn't be a bit much, but 230%, that $10 a pound, $9 a pound butter

00:13:30.240 shouldn't be costing $9 a pound.

00:13:32.920 It should be costing a lot less.

00:13:34.380 And I just filed a column on that, actually.

00:13:36.540 You're stuck shaking.

00:13:38.020 Yes.

00:13:38.680 So it's been a pet issue for quite some, this is what we're saying.

00:13:45.800 I mean, I do not understand, therefore, I understand that the dairy lobby has got an incredibly

00:13:52.140 well-organized system for keeping MPs on side.

00:13:56.720 That's good for them.

00:13:58.480 Clever.

00:13:58.880 I admire something professionally done, but it's not working for the rest of us.

00:14:03.220 And I don't know why nobody moves on it.

00:14:05.020 I got two kids.

00:14:08.100 My three-year-old still drinks hot bottles.

00:14:11.620 I go through so much bloody milk.

00:14:14.640 I've put in it.

00:14:16.000 Each one of my kids, I think, is put through a dairy farmer's kid through college.

00:14:21.120 I mean, it is criminal what we are paying.

00:14:23.460 And a lot of our stuff is not great quality. 0.99

00:14:24.820 Like, butter, Canadian butter is crap.

00:14:27.340 You've got to buy the European stuff if you want good butter. 0.99

00:14:29.200 And people don't see the whole cost of it.

00:14:31.900 When I owned my pub, one of my biggest sellers actually was pizza.

00:14:34.540 I sold loads of pizza.

00:14:36.160 I bought $10,000 a month worth of cheese.

00:14:39.240 Cheese is expensive.

00:14:40.160 That's the most expensive part of a pizza.

00:14:41.980 And we actually had a rebate program that was given to restaurants.

00:14:47.740 You had to register for it.

00:14:49.140 And they would knock off about 10% of the price for commercial mozzarella for my restaurant

00:14:53.880 because they had a cheese smuggling problem happening in Montreal.

00:14:58.000 This is how bad it is.

00:14:59.320 This is how absurd as it is.

00:15:00.980 If you look it up, organized crime mafia was smuggling cheese from New York into Montreal.

00:15:06.220 And when you're talking $10,000 a month, which organization, the mafia or Dairy Canada?

00:15:11.460 Yeah, well, that's the other mafia, right?

00:15:13.300 You know, the guy's coming to your back door.

00:15:14.700 Hey, I got some mozzarella here.

00:15:16.340 It's one cartel undermining another.

00:15:18.400 You know, they were paying cash out the back door for cheese.

00:15:20.900 It's that when the system is collapsing that badly that you've got underground cheese markets going on.

00:15:26.540 The irony here used to be that we were distilling whiskey, sneaking it into the northern states,

00:15:34.700 and now they're producing cheese and sneaking it into this.

00:15:37.960 Government creates contraband.

00:15:39.640 This supply system is just terrible.

00:15:41.720 Well, and judging by how seriously the government takes the issue,

00:15:45.920 I mean, your decoy should be drugs.

00:15:50.200 You know, I mean, you know, maybe the cheese.

00:15:52.400 Yeah, you won't get much fun with pot, but as long as there's cheese hiding underneath all that weed, you know.

00:15:56.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:57.620 So what have we got, like, speedboats full of cheese zipping across lakes who buried their ears and truckers,

00:16:02.260 but who knows?

00:16:02.820 It might have been that exciting.

00:16:03.660 You know, the cheese interdiction force with dogs sniffing it out across.

00:16:07.520 It's just bizarre, but we also know the regional aspect.

00:16:10.540 Quebec dominates the production of the dairy industry,

00:16:13.780 and the only thing that makes federal government MPs shiver more than taking on indigenous people 0.98

00:16:21.620 is taking on Quebec with anything.

00:16:23.660 I mean, speaking about capitulation, where Quebec asks for Quebec cats. 0.91

00:16:27.340 Yeah, but they got these dairy farms in Ontario as well. 0.99

00:16:30.500 They're not silent.

00:16:31.640 Quebec benefits most by having, because the quota system locks in incumbent players,

00:16:36.640 and that has always been to the benefit of Quebec proportionally.

00:16:39.620 We can't expand ours.

00:16:40.720 I mean, in Saskatchewan, Alberta, we got the space, the cattle, the feed.

00:16:44.060 We could be a dairy powerhouse, but we can't expand our quotas.

00:16:47.680 Our dairy farmers, I get hate mail from dairy farmers all the time and poultry farmers

00:16:53.100 when I rail against supply management.

00:16:55.980 If you are in a supply-managed industry in Alberta,

00:17:00.560 you stand to gain from the end of supply management, particularly in dairy,

00:17:05.500 because you're not going to be subject to the same kind of quotas anymore.

00:17:09.480 If you're good at what you're doing.

00:17:10.920 That's the VDF.

00:17:12.100 If you're not competitive, no matter where you are in Canada,

00:17:15.160 the end of supply management is probably the end of your farm.

00:17:18.000 But if you are competitive, if you are good and you're in a position

00:17:21.180 to expand your operation with the end of the quota system,

00:17:25.240 you stand to make a lot of money.

00:17:27.040 It's a much bigger operation.

00:17:28.120 And that's it.

00:17:28.800 It's a terrible, terrible policy.

00:17:30.620 And speaking of, like you're talking about,

00:17:31.740 Trump could save us from ourselves with this one. 1.00

00:17:33.660 Something that we couldn't accomplish domestically over decades of this stupid policy. 1.00

00:17:37.660 Maybe Trump is going to do it. 1.00

00:17:38.640 Well, he saved us on our military.

00:17:40.240 Canada is getting a better, is going to rebuild its military because Trump demanded it.

00:17:43.820 And he's given us a tax cut from the DST.

00:17:47.540 We might get supply management.

00:17:50.400 I mean, he doesn't need to take over Canada.

00:17:52.000 He's already dictating the policies here.

00:17:53.400 And so far, they're kind of for the better.

00:17:55.400 Doubles up.

00:17:57.440 Maybe he'll take on our immigration system next.

00:18:00.180 That could go different.

00:18:03.060 He's just going to start dumping them here on us.

00:18:05.820 Oh, God.

00:18:06.440 Yeah.

00:18:08.200 Okay.

00:18:10.420 Well, let's bring it real close to home here.

00:18:13.820 So the UCP removed from its caucus two MLAs.

00:18:19.500 Peter Guthrie, he represents Airdrie Cochran.

00:18:23.300 He kind of went to war with Danielle Smith and the UCP over some of the questions around

00:18:30.500 some health care contracts and the restructuring there.

00:18:35.620 Perhaps he's correct.

00:18:36.620 Perhaps he's not.

00:18:37.180 We haven't seen evidence of it.

00:18:38.360 But maybe he's on to something.

00:18:39.720 I don't know.

00:18:40.140 The other one, not very well known.

00:18:43.700 He's from, I think, the Slave Lake region.

00:18:46.140 What's his name?

00:18:47.100 Sinclair.

00:18:47.620 Yeah, Sinclair.

00:18:48.560 Sinclair.

00:18:49.640 He was removed.

00:18:50.740 Scott Sinclair.

00:18:51.520 Scott Sinclair.

00:18:52.420 He was removed because he said he would not vote for the UCP's budget, which is a confidence

00:18:56.340 issue.

00:18:57.000 If you don't vote for your party's budget, you are by convention.

00:18:59.340 You can't be a part of it.

00:19:01.060 It's not like...

00:19:01.660 Those are never a free...

00:19:02.440 I think he went further.

00:19:03.500 He actually voted with the NDP against it.

00:19:05.440 He didn't just not vote.

00:19:06.660 No, he voted against it.

00:19:08.380 Yeah.

00:19:08.820 Yeah.

00:19:09.440 So by...

00:19:10.500 I mean, most things I think should be free votes, but the budget never is.

00:19:13.180 It's a matter of confidence, constitutionally.

00:19:15.840 So these two guys have been in exile for some time, sitting as independents.

00:19:22.440 Corey, they're telling us the PC party's back.

00:19:25.520 Explain this.

00:19:26.280 Well, you know, this isn't new.

00:19:28.480 I mean, we see this with conservatives when they go in exile.

00:19:30.620 You're quite familiar with it.

00:19:31.740 But it's a lonely place to be if you're just a one or two or three person caucus in the

00:19:36.240 corner of the legislature.

00:19:37.480 You get limited resources.

00:19:39.060 You have difficulty getting time.

00:19:41.080 So in BC, they formed a new party out there with the ones that have broken off.

00:19:45.580 And now these two are announcing that they're going to form a party, I guess, to try and

00:19:50.360 strengthen themselves and maybe build something that they feel would bring people over.

00:19:55.220 That's not that surprising, really, when they've been sitting, as you said, in the wilderness.

00:19:58.140 It doesn't look like they're going to get back now, but why they would want to go back

00:20:02.440 to the sour PC brand I'm flummoxed with.

00:20:06.020 Like you're taking on the baggage of people who got basically kicked out in shame.

00:20:10.820 You know, people haven't forgotten Alison Redford's visage and they don't look at it fondly.

00:20:15.780 And you guys are embracing that brand.

00:20:18.220 It reminds me of David Orchard, you know, trying federally.

00:20:20.400 He just beat himself against the wall over there.

00:20:22.480 This is a dead brand.

00:20:23.660 And you're trying to resurrect, at least come up with a new party name and say it's something

00:20:27.800 better.

00:20:28.280 But well, you know, Corey, not only is it a dead brand, but you have to wonder about the

00:20:33.380 forethought that went into this, because I don't think that it is legally possible to

00:20:38.700 revive that progressive conservative party.

00:20:42.080 Okay, so there's a lot, but it tells you, yeah, but it just tells you about this kind

00:20:46.860 of wisdom that went into this proposal.

00:20:49.020 Okay.

00:20:49.440 So, well, Mosh, I don't want to get too deep into the weeds, but I fear I'm going to have

00:20:53.980 to a little bit, because I was a part of the negotiations that created the United Conservative

00:20:58.460 Party.

00:20:58.820 I know I was structured.

00:20:59.640 At that time, you could not formally merge political parties in Alberta, so a smart lawyer

00:21:08.120 guy cooked up the idea that because these parties are also not-for-profit corporations

00:21:14.780 or societies under the Alberta Societies Act, you would create a new party, and the Wildrose

00:21:22.140 Party and the PC Party would be owned by the new party, the new, because there's the not-for-profit

00:21:30.380 society or not-for-profit corporation entity, and then there's the entity registered with

00:21:34.860 Elections Alberta.

00:21:36.540 They're more or less the same, but there's a legal difference between them.

00:21:41.240 And so the UCP owned the Wildrose Party, it owned the PC Party, and ran a paper candidate

00:21:47.080 with no campaign to keep them registered through that first election.

00:21:50.760 The UCP won, and then they amended the legislation to allow for a formal unification, and at that

00:21:59.160 time, the PC Party, the Wildrose Party, then officially disappeared from being paper parties.

00:22:04.260 Just gone.

00:22:06.180 But one thing I remember in that whole process, because we were looking forward to it in the

00:22:11.040 future so that it couldn't happen again, is the new UCP would obtain the trademarks of

00:22:17.680 the Progressive Conservative Party and the Wildrose Party.

00:22:22.660 But Elections Alberta ruled, I was able to do this when I registered the Freedom Conservative

00:22:27.040 Party.

00:22:27.360 I was able to use the word conservative, but I argued that's distinct.

00:22:31.000 There's already two conservative parties on paper, Progressive Conservative and United

00:22:34.280 Conservative, so no one has a monopoly on the word conservative.

00:22:37.480 So I argued you could have the word Freedom Conservative.

00:22:39.940 And then afterwards, as I was leaving and helping bring together Wexit with them, we got in Wildrose

00:22:46.760 Independence Party, which was distinct from Wildrose Party or Wildrose Alliance, because

00:22:51.880 it had some modifiers in the name.

00:22:57.220 I am...

00:22:58.260 So Elections Alberta said that they can use the name Progressive Conservative Association of

00:23:02.400 Alberta, which was the exact word-for-word name of the old PC Party.

00:23:05.780 That's an odd thing for Elections Alberta to agree to, but even if so, this could run into

00:23:14.660 legal problems on the other side, because the UCP owns the trademarks of the Progressive

00:23:19.600 Conservative Party, and it owns the trademarks of the Wildrose Party.

00:23:23.000 And so if you're trying to pass yourself off as the same thing, you know, not Freedom Conservative

00:23:26.900 or Wildrose Independence, but as just Wildrose or just Progressive Conservative, there's a

00:23:33.500 good chance there's going to be some trademark issues there, independent from whatever elections

00:23:37.220 Alberta decides. 0.85

00:23:38.720 So for now, the media is taking it as a granted that, yes, they're going to be called the PC

00:23:44.400 Association of Alberta.

00:23:46.040 Maybe they do get away with it.

00:23:47.440 But I'm not convinced that this is the end of it.

00:23:50.160 I think the UCP's lawyers are going to invoke their trademarks here, and there's going to

00:23:54.960 be a trademark dispute about it if they're allowed to be called that.

00:23:57.280 And so anybody who contributes to the new entity is going to see their money going into

00:24:01.820 a trademark dispute instead of into active politics.

00:24:05.460 I just think...

00:24:05.820 Well, I can't say for sure, but...

00:24:06.720 Well, you know, what confidence can you have in a couple of people who would embark on a

00:24:11.820 scheme like this?

00:24:13.480 It's strange.

00:24:14.460 I mean, again, you'd think they would have seen this.

00:24:16.920 It's going to be a tough task as a two-member caucus to have a party that's functional.

00:24:23.560 Why bring on a bunch more headaches and baggage when you have...

00:24:27.020 The one advantage you have is a clean slate if you just come up with something new.

00:24:30.300 Yeah.

00:24:30.960 Well, I do get, you know, as I did, you know, tapping into somewhat of a known brand, Wild

00:24:37.760 Rose or Conservative.

00:24:38.860 There's something to begin with there.

00:24:40.800 Like, the Republicans are tapping into a totally...

00:24:43.800 I guess it's kind of a new brand.

00:24:45.160 But they took on baggage of a completely different political party, but they got some name recognition

00:24:51.540 out of it.

00:24:54.040 Starting your brand from absolutely nothing, that's a huge task for a small party.

00:25:00.240 You know, you were in the early Wild Rose.

00:25:01.960 That took a long time.

00:25:03.500 It went through a few incarnations.

00:25:04.880 It was Alberta Alliance, and it was Wild Rose Alliance, and then it was just Wild Rose,

00:25:09.160 and still your average person had a...

00:25:11.420 And now it's gone.

00:25:12.120 Yeah.

00:25:13.480 So, you know, I can see if these guys wanted to call themselves something conservative or

00:25:18.040 progressive something.

00:25:20.080 But progressive conservative, you're just trying...

00:25:22.660 I don't know.

00:25:23.480 Yeah, I think it's taken on a lot of baggage, and I'm not sure it's legally sound.

00:25:28.540 Lawyers are going to have to wade into that, you know more.

00:25:30.560 But I do know this was something very directly considered in the lead-up to and during the

00:25:36.440 negotiations that created the United Conservative Party so that exactly this kind of thing could

00:25:41.000 not happen.

00:25:42.520 I don't think they're out of the woods on actually calling themselves this yet.

00:25:45.640 It's sort of a...

00:25:46.320 Well, it's a rough one.

00:25:47.940 Same rationale of the Bolsheviks getting rid of the royal family and whole and the descendants 0.99

00:25:53.740 and the works just so you don't have that siege there to pop up and grow again.

00:25:57.980 And it's been eliminated.

00:26:00.380 Not as vicious with, you know, this, of course, but the point was to make sure there's just

00:26:05.700 no remnants of that party to blossom again and become a pain.

00:26:09.760 So let's talk up to either of you.

00:26:12.660 You know, is there a market for a progressive conservative party?

00:26:16.560 We're now in a strict two-party system.

00:26:19.700 The left has united without mergers, but the left has most certainly united around the

00:26:24.180 NDP in Alberta.

00:26:25.300 The Liberals are dead, dead.

00:26:27.160 The Alberta party is, for all intents and purposes, finally dead.

00:26:31.600 But the Alberta party was trying in the last two cycles, or three, three cycles, they were

00:26:38.180 proclaiming, we are the new, we are the heirs to the progressive conservative party.

00:26:41.700 And, uh, 2019, they got Stephen Mandel, former PC cabinet minister and left-wing mayor of

00:26:47.120 Edmonton.

00:26:47.520 Uh, he, he led them from four seats to zero.

00:26:52.140 Um, then they did zero and then they've done zero again.

00:26:56.480 Uh, I, I put it that, uh, there's no, like every other province in Western Canada, there

00:27:06.040 is no market for someone in the mushy middle between them.

00:27:08.540 We're now clear center left and clear center right parties.

00:27:11.860 Well, I, I think there might be room if we're going back to kind of the balance we had in

00:27:16.400 the nineties, but it's a real dangerous trip to get there.

00:27:19.040 Uh, I mean, the political makeup in Alberta then was actually a strong liberal opposition,

00:27:23.880 a strong progressive conservative, and the NDP would have two to four seats on and off

00:27:29.400 throughout and, but still there was never quite a threat to the balance.

00:27:33.320 In fact, the, the liberals and NDP tended to scrap for their vote or votes rather than

00:27:38.140 the PCs.

00:27:39.080 So the conservatives could kind of comfortably stay in power and have that opposition.

00:27:43.100 If that sort of balance could be reachieved, but the risk is where they're going to draw

00:27:48.380 their, where are they going to draw their support from?

00:27:50.760 If they come from the left, they pull their support from Ninchy because some people aren't

00:27:55.300 necessarily comfortable with him or the NDP, then actually in some ways it could work.

00:28:00.140 Okay.

00:28:00.360 They could get a couple of seats, but the UCP would still dominate the legislature. 0.78

00:28:04.280 If they draw from the UCP though, we know that their wind was pretty darn narrow and that

00:28:09.080 could turn into something that, uh, brings the, the NDP in.

00:28:12.680 Uh, I think there's a possibility of a balance, but it just depends on where they draw their

00:28:16.040 support.

00:28:16.820 So, so, uh, new and small parties.

00:28:19.520 New parties are always, uh, they almost always fail every once in a while they succeed.

00:28:26.840 But in the modern history of Canada, I cannot think of a single successful example of a new

00:28:33.680 party succeeding from the middle.

00:28:35.800 It's always from the margins.

00:28:37.340 Uh, Tom Flanagan wrote about this, uh, he called it invasion from the margins.

00:28:40.860 You have to peel off something, uh, from, from a flank or the right flank or the left flank,

00:28:46.480 or in Quebec, it could be something ethnic and linguistic politics, but you have to offer

00:28:51.080 something that no one else is work because the middle is where everyone's fighting.

00:28:55.740 You're it's like Switzerland trying to join the first world war.

00:28:59.020 It, they would just get crushed from both sides.

00:29:01.020 It's, there's, there's no, it's like joining as a third party in the first world war.

00:29:04.280 It'd be insane.

00:29:05.460 You have to join from one flank or another to ever successfully invade.

00:29:10.000 And even then it normally doesn't work.

00:29:13.000 Uh, I don't know.

00:29:14.460 What do you want?

00:29:14.880 Switzerland must better to hold the gold of both sides.

00:29:17.380 Uh, you know, there's a, it's a, it's a, it's an unfortunate characteristic of the conservative

00:29:23.500 mind that we favor being correct according to our own preconceptions.

00:29:33.660 And, you know, I'm with you here and here and here, but not here.

00:29:37.220 So I've got to start my own party.

00:29:40.660 And that's, uh, it is the achievement of the, everybody who put the UCP together.

00:29:46.240 And, uh, who now put the, the current premier into office and they managed to get past and

00:29:54.680 say, well, the important things are these and the unimportant things can stay unimportant.

00:30:00.340 And we'll deal with them if they come up.

00:30:02.420 And what you have here is very similar to the problem federally where again, conservatives

00:30:09.740 federally separate themselves out, got to have a consistent position on this or that.

00:30:16.240 And it's wonderful.

00:30:18.160 You live in a state of virtue that you never hold power.

00:30:22.820 And these gentlemen, bless their hearts.

00:30:24.900 I mean, I, they may be right.

00:30:27.320 They may be wrong.

00:30:27.940 I really don't know the issue well enough, but there's, uh, if, if they want to be right,

00:30:35.680 they can be right, but they won't be elected.

00:30:38.680 Okay.

00:30:39.200 But they're, they're not leaving over some great particular piece of policy.

00:30:43.660 As far as I can tell.

00:30:44.760 No, they're not.

00:30:45.300 That's my point.

00:30:46.040 We divide over little things.

00:30:47.920 The white.

00:30:49.300 Tenaciously to the, to those little things.

00:30:52.160 Uh, we've had the reform party and the wild rose successful breakaways on the conservative

00:30:57.520 side are exclusively exclusively, exclusively, not just in Alberta, but even federally exclusively

00:31:04.120 on the right flank of the party.

00:31:06.220 That is, it is the rebellious side and sometimes it came from Mary from the right. 0.52

00:31:10.660 And then the, as you put it out, the Alberta party has played that mushy middle game and

00:31:14.120 they've had legacy media just loves them.

00:31:16.140 They've been the darlings of them for a decade.

00:31:18.260 They just don't go.

00:31:19.280 They've never, you've got to have something carved out.

00:31:22.200 But then that's part of what Nigel's saying too.

00:31:23.720 This is going to be difficult for these guys because they don't have a, they are seeming

00:31:27.600 to be looking at the Alberta party turf, which is a path to nowhere.

00:31:31.720 And unless you can find one big issue to cling to, which they don't seem to have, it's, it's

00:31:35.800 not looking good.

00:31:38.240 Um, I mean, the only made, the big policy difference I see is that, you know, uh, Guthrie and Sinclair,

00:31:45.020 I guess the PCs, they're unconditional federalists.

00:31:48.500 They, you know, they sound kind of like Jason Kenney and that like any talk of independence

00:31:53.420 is treasonous and we want nothing to do with it.

00:31:56.640 And that's okay.

00:31:57.540 I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's.

00:31:58.620 That's not what they're offering.

00:31:59.580 Well, they're saying, oh, there was corruption and toxicity in the party.

00:32:03.240 You know?

00:32:03.680 Yeah.

00:32:04.180 I mean, okay. 0.54

00:32:04.960 So, uh, yeah, the, uh, the UCP is so corrupt.

00:32:08.240 We're going to sit under the banner of the party that was the most corrupt in the history

00:32:12.820 of all Canada.

00:32:14.220 Like we, it's circling back to that bizarre choice of embracing the person.

00:32:18.380 Yeah.

00:32:18.660 Or, or, you know, uh, you know, the UCP is running a deficit, something they should be

00:32:22.900 slapped up for.

00:32:23.700 So let's sit under the banner of the party that returned Alberta to deficits.

00:32:28.600 Uh, it's, it's just, it just, I don't know.

00:32:32.840 Uh, Corey, you got to get these guys on your show.

00:32:35.320 Cause I mean, there's, I'll try.

00:32:37.180 I mean, I already posted on X.

00:32:38.480 Oh, look who they're trying to resurrect.

00:32:39.820 And I had a picture of Redford and Lukasik together just to keep in mind, everybody.

00:32:44.080 So I, you had a better choice of getting them about half an hour ago.

00:32:47.180 Yeah.

00:32:47.900 So we'll see.

00:32:48.860 I've, I've, I've had, uh, the one gentleman.

00:32:50.640 It'll be an easy interview, but like, you'll, you'll, you'll be fair and reasonable.

00:32:53.740 I'll, I'll certainly reach out.

00:32:55.140 It's worth talking about.

00:32:56.200 Absolutely.

00:32:56.620 I'm curious.

00:32:57.240 I'll check.

00:32:57.940 Yeah.

00:32:58.180 Okay.

00:32:59.640 Well, let's, let's see what happens.

00:33:01.860 Uh, they might not get it under that name though.

00:33:04.440 In the end, we'll, maybe they will, maybe they won't, but either way, they're creating

00:33:08.140 a party and good on them.

00:33:10.480 Um, but also, but that was just the name to actually create a party is actually fairly

00:33:14.680 difficult in Alberta.

00:33:15.780 That's a whole other.

00:33:16.660 You generally, what you do is you take over a defunct party.

00:33:19.600 That's what I did.

00:33:20.280 You take over a defunct party and you change its name and its constitution.

00:33:23.740 I think with two seats in a legislature, they might, is it two or three you need?

00:33:27.760 Uh, it's like three or four.

00:33:28.720 Is it that many?

00:33:29.240 Okay.

00:33:29.500 Cause I, I know where there's a number of seats.

00:33:31.380 If you get official party status in the legislature, which is four, then you get automatic party

00:33:35.660 status.

00:33:36.180 Otherwise you got a petition and go through that whole process.

00:33:38.400 Yeah.

00:33:38.760 Uh, or you have to run like 60 on candidates.

00:33:41.600 It's going to be over half of the amount running.

00:33:42.880 Yeah.

00:33:42.980 But if you want to have, uh, your party registered before an election, which is kind of the idea

00:33:48.520 of it to organize around it, you, uh, you need to do it by petition, which

00:33:53.440 can be done, but it's tough.

00:33:54.880 Uh, or you've got to have, I think, I think have four MLAs.

00:33:57.860 Yeah.

00:33:58.500 Or you take over a little shot.

00:34:00.040 That's how the Republicans did it with the Buffalo party.

00:34:02.600 They grabbed that.

00:34:03.680 Yeah.

00:34:04.340 Wilder's independence party was freedom conservative party, which was, uh, many days.

00:34:11.520 It's had many days.

00:34:13.140 Yeah.

00:34:14.400 There's a whole Alberta cottage industry of this stuff of which we are too familiar.

00:34:19.240 We're guilty of participating.

00:34:20.540 Very guilty.

00:34:21.460 Yeah.

00:34:21.740 All I'm saying is have fun, guys.

00:34:24.280 Yeah.

00:34:24.720 Have fun.

00:34:25.580 It's not fun.

00:34:26.740 No, I like this chair better.

00:34:28.120 Yeah.

00:34:28.600 It's a big issue.

00:34:29.720 Okay.

00:34:30.660 Uh, speaking of comfy chairs, uh, Bonnie Henry, the former, uh, chief, uh, public health officer

00:34:38.840 of British Columbia and Teresa Tam, uh, chief, uh, public health officer of Canada and,

00:34:47.340 uh, uh, uh, translator has, uh, they are being appointed to the order of Canada.

00:34:53.800 Corey.

00:34:55.060 I, bureaucrats are getting the order of Canada for doing their job and people are questioning

00:35:01.720 whether they even did the job well or not.

00:35:03.960 And it's unfortunate, you know, every country, I mean, it's a human nature.

00:35:07.460 I think we like to have awards recognition for our most outstanding citizens or people

00:35:13.360 who made a mark or made a difference and they have medals, they have awards.

00:35:17.100 The order of Canada is ours.

00:35:18.460 I think there's, there's the different breakdowns.

00:35:19.860 There's a member of, and the fellow to, and the officers.

00:35:23.420 Yeah.

00:35:23.920 Officers.

00:35:24.440 There's a few different levels of it, but it starts to really cheapen it when you're

00:35:28.900 really kind of throwing it out so easily.

00:35:32.300 I mean, it really should be very, very exclusive.

00:35:35.100 And I know there's a lot of debate on whether or not Bonnie Henry or Teresa Tam were good

00:35:40.000 at what they did, but even if they were good, they're just bureaucrats who did their

00:35:44.580 job.

00:35:45.100 I mean, they got caught in the circumstances.

00:35:47.100 It was different, but again, Bonnie Henry, her job prior to COVID was trying to track

00:35:51.720 down syphilis outbreaks at high school dances.

00:35:53.900 I mean, this is not a high level position as a health officer.

00:35:57.280 Was that actually what you did?

00:35:58.580 Well, I mean, you're, you're just tracking disease outbreaks wherever they might be.

00:36:02.280 That's one of the speculative ones.

00:36:06.180 So, I mean, I guess it's landed more spotlight to their positions from where they used to

00:36:12.560 be in the basement area of the legislature as the health office.

00:36:15.240 If Samuel Daniel Smith is watching, I want to nominate Corey for our next public health

00:36:19.260 talk.

00:36:21.120 I don't want to, I don't want to do those interrogations.

00:36:23.860 So maybe it is worth an order of Canada.

00:36:26.240 Somebody has to do it.

00:36:27.900 But it just is odd choices.

00:36:30.300 I don't know if they're trying to stir people up or if they really think these guys were heroes

00:36:33.440 for just doing what was kind of in their mandate as bureaucrats.

00:36:36.760 It's a political statement.

00:36:39.980 It's an endorsement that that was the way to do it.

00:36:42.800 And if it happens again, that's the way we'll do it next time.

00:36:45.540 Alberta's officer didn't get, what was her name again with the bowl cut there?

00:36:49.560 Fired Dina Hinshaw.

00:36:51.780 Hinshaw.

00:36:52.180 Yeah, but that was kind of, that was some of the absurdity of the COVID time too.

00:36:56.600 I remember people were going around with Dina Hinshaw t-shirts on and with a little superhero

00:37:01.000 cape behind her, you know, Super Dina. 1.00

00:37:04.840 Thankfully, you know, unlike, you know, the Rachel took off from what's her name with

00:37:08.640 friends, Hinshaw's haircut never took off as a style following.

00:37:11.620 But these are just unusual people who were usually kind of backroom bureaucrats that became

00:37:17.640 public personas due to that period.

00:37:19.400 But whether that rates the Order of Canada, I find it pretty questionable.

00:37:23.180 Well, you know, I've got to draw your attention to Barry Cooper.

00:37:26.920 Dr. Barry Cooper, you know, he wrote an article, we published it earlier this morning, and he

00:37:31.760 asked this very question.

00:37:33.660 The motto of the Order of Canada is they sought a better country.

00:37:40.440 Yeah.

00:37:41.620 That's, so that, it's in Latin, but that's what it means.

00:37:44.960 They seek a better country.

00:37:46.880 So then you have to think, if you get the Order of Canada, it's because you were seeking

00:37:51.600 a better country, is, and he asked the question, what is their vision of a better country then,

00:37:58.740 based upon how they conducted themselves during the highly traumatic COVID?

00:38:04.980 You know, this is an endorsement by the government of Canada who appoints people to the selection

00:38:15.240 board who can be relied upon to know what would be a better country.

00:38:19.840 They are now saying, these guys did great.

00:38:23.920 Here's your Order of Canada each.

00:38:26.180 Anybody else who wants a guide on how to get things done, how public health should be administered?

00:38:32.820 What is the relationship between the state and the citizen?

00:38:35.840 Is it one in which free citizens elect a government, or is one where a government has authority over

00:38:42.260 the citizens?

00:38:43.760 That's what this, there is a deeper significance to this award.

00:38:47.460 And there's echoes here, I think, of when Henry Morgenthaler was given the order.

00:38:54.780 Whatever you think of him, whatever you think of the abortion issue, it was a decision for

00:39:00.820 the Canadian establishment to put its stamp of approval on him and what he did, and try

00:39:07.600 to end debate retroactively.

00:39:10.220 And I think it somewhat succeeded.

00:39:11.520 I see this as, in some form, the Canadian political Laurentian establishment fighting

00:39:20.240 against, you know, those of us who do not accept, you know, the official narrative here,

00:39:27.320 and say, you know, they want to say, overall, yeah, things were pretty good, and we're going

00:39:31.900 to honour those who were the public faces of this.

00:39:34.900 Yeah, I'm not sure I would tie that to the Laurentian elite, particularly.

00:39:38.160 There was a lot of people in Ontario who didn't like this either, and it's more when we get

00:39:43.840 into economics and the relationships between provinces and the federal government, where

00:39:48.840 the Laurentian thing, and of course, unequalization is where that comes into play.

00:39:54.220 But I do think that there is a spirit of authoritarianism and a desire for control that animates the people

00:40:00.380 who do well in the federal government.

00:40:02.360 It is telling other senior bureaucrats, yeah.

00:40:04.080 They are saying, this is the way we want it done.

00:40:06.480 Thank you very much, you two.

00:40:08.480 Here's your little snowflakes.

00:40:10.760 But they toss it out to celebrities, left, right, and centre as well.

00:40:14.160 Obscure authors.

00:40:14.840 By the way, the right kind of celebrity.

00:40:17.100 They'll get to that, yeah.

00:40:18.500 There we go.

00:40:19.140 And they exclude others.

00:40:20.580 That really says a lot about what they do.

00:40:22.840 Like, if, I don't know, maybe I'll be wrong, but like, you know, if I asked Grok to make

00:40:28.400 a video of, for me, of the most Canadian guy in the world, it conceivably could spit out

00:40:34.540 Don Cherry, and it doesn't even need to invent the guy.

00:40:37.300 You know, he's just an old school hockey hoser.

00:40:42.000 And, you know, he's never been a, not particularly political.

00:40:45.820 He's just been considered political because he has, you know, what are now considered to

00:40:50.080 be retrograde old Canada views.

00:40:52.520 But it's a significant impact on our culture.

00:40:56.060 Huge.

00:40:56.740 He is a cultural icon and beloved by most people in Canada, yet he doesn't get on.

00:41:05.040 And it's full of these C-list celebrities, you know, the kind of, like, I don't mean to

00:41:09.780 be disrespectful here, but like, think of like, okay, think of like the Junos and stuff.

00:41:14.500 Jan Arden and the other CBC darling.

00:41:16.540 But even ones way below that, people who like no one's heard of unless you go to like the

00:41:21.340 Toronto Folk Festival or something, you know, it's like people no one's heard of for crappy

00:41:27.280 like CBC shows with actors that 1% of Canadians could probably still not name.

00:41:33.200 These C-list Canadian celebrities who never made it internationally, they're in there as

00:41:38.040 cultural icons of our cultural sovereignty.

00:41:41.420 And they don't put in the one guy everyone can name, everyone can look at his face and

00:41:46.100 say, I know who that is and what he's about.

00:41:47.980 Well, yeah.

00:41:48.300 And it's, I look at it kind of like almost the time person of the year or whatever, then

00:41:51.960 if you want to put it that way, it doesn't mean you have to like or dislike, but if they

00:41:54.620 were significant and had an impact, it's worthy of a degree of recognition.

00:41:59.360 And when you exclude Cherry, it really shows that the bias.

00:42:03.000 It shows that they don't really value diversity.

00:42:05.760 No, no.

00:42:06.700 He's always there on kind of, not.

00:42:07.980 Yeah.

00:42:08.500 So.

00:42:10.480 Okay.

00:42:10.980 Well, I, you know, I wanted to get into the Alberta police force.

00:42:13.860 We're just not going to have time today.

00:42:15.260 So I said to say, we're going to have one a little bit by a little bit.

00:42:19.240 We're taking the incremental approach and good on getting it done.

00:42:22.160 Yeah.

00:42:22.520 As long as we're making progress in the right way and it's aggressive enough, it's good.

00:42:26.840 It's a step in the right direction.

00:42:27.940 So you'll get, when you get a ticket, you're going to smile.

00:42:30.920 As long as it's going to a proper Alberta cop, not a fed.

00:42:34.360 Um, okay.

00:42:37.660 Uh, also, I would, oh, I'm going to have time.

00:42:40.400 Is this also a step in removing federal control of police to seize our guns?

00:42:45.000 Yes.

00:42:45.800 That needs to be recognized.

00:42:47.780 God bless you, everyone behind creating the Alberta sheriffs here.

00:42:52.400 Prioritize their service.

00:42:53.840 Mm-hmm.

00:42:54.440 Thank you for your service.

00:42:55.980 Okay.

00:42:56.540 Uh, we will get into that more next week.

00:42:58.440 Party shots.

00:42:59.280 Nigel.

00:42:59.540 Oh, my, well, you know, maybe it's not fair to keep picking on the CBC, but that's fair.

00:43:05.700 So, you know, they've got a, they've got a, an internal issue going on there and they want

00:43:11.920 to exclude other media from reporting on what they would cheerfully report on if it was the

00:43:18.560 other media.

00:43:19.960 And, you know, they've got some good people, but thus much so, they, they, they shoot themselves

00:43:24.500 in the foot conceptually at the upper levels all the time.

00:43:27.820 You just can't trust them.

00:43:29.540 All right.

00:43:30.900 Bang.

00:43:31.500 That's my shot.

00:43:32.380 All right.

00:43:33.340 Well, just back to sort of the old progressive conservatives and their icons, Thomas Fabio

00:43:38.380 Lukasik.

00:43:39.560 People are members, part of the left flank of the progressive conservatives and everything.

00:43:43.620 Lukasik.

00:43:44.460 Well, if you want to pronounce it, the Polish Lukasik.

00:43:47.540 Either way, he's, he's come up.

00:43:49.080 I, I'm kind of mixed on it.

00:43:50.180 Okay.

00:43:50.440 You pulled the trigger early on the referendum petitioning and he's sort of playing the

00:43:55.180 game of the act, trying to turn it into a negative saying, well, campaign is a, would

00:44:01.160 you agree to stay within Canada?

00:44:03.320 And it looks like it might've thrown sand in the gears of the Alberta prosperity's

00:44:06.700 efforts.

00:44:07.320 Maybe.

00:44:07.600 Maybe it's kind of bizarre.

00:44:09.640 It shows that there's more to be ironed out on what this process is going to do.

00:44:13.940 But as I said, I don't know how well that's going to work for him at the worst that's

00:44:17.560 going to happen.

00:44:18.240 It's going to be held.

00:44:19.340 It just means that the independent side will have to take the no on their campaign rather

00:44:23.440 than yes.

00:44:23.920 But either way, there's going to be a referendum on if he gets the 300,000, which is very,

00:44:30.060 very unlikely.

00:44:30.840 I actually, you know, a lot of the legacy media are crowing about how much they love this.

00:44:35.600 We get to crow when the federalist side in Alberta can't get enough people to sign a

00:44:40.680 petition saying we should stay in Canada.

00:44:42.360 People, that would have been the people who think it's easy are people who have never

00:44:46.780 done a real petition before.

00:44:48.020 Yeah.

00:44:48.440 I tell you what, this is not an online click, uh, you know, getting a hundred real signatures

00:44:53.860 on a petition, uh, an official one physically is a 10 hour day of work.

00:45:00.940 So 300,000.

00:45:03.140 Good luck, Fabio.

00:45:04.760 Yeah.

00:45:05.820 So we're going to come back to this when it's done, because we're going to be able to say

00:45:10.240 Thomas Lukasik and the NDP, all these guys working together could not get 300,000 people

00:45:16.620 and a province of 4 million to sign a petition to stay in Canada.

00:45:20.960 As we, we get to say that now.

00:45:22.420 Exactly.

00:45:22.860 So, uh, still a gratification, but I think maybe I'll have to eat my words, but I don't

00:45:29.300 think.

00:45:29.520 We'll have our, I told you so is more than likely.

00:45:31.720 Yeah.

00:45:32.080 Okay.

00:45:32.380 Well, speaking of, I told you so Leah Thomas has had his medals strapped, uh, stripped for

00:45:39.760 winning in women's swimming in the United States.

00:45:42.800 Um, this is just, uh, I don't know.

00:45:47.360 What's his proper name?

00:45:48.360 I don't know.

00:45:49.240 I don't know.

00:45:49.400 I'm just Thomas.

00:45:50.240 Sure.

00:45:50.540 Uh, so, I mean, this has been a big controversy.

00:45:55.100 Uh, he, he, he has taken medals away from, uh, women who have rightfully won in women's sporting

00:46:02.000 competitions.

00:46:02.600 Uh, and this is not a dainty little trans person.

00:46:06.880 This is a man.

00:46:08.320 Yeah.

00:46:08.560 This is, and he's still got all the bits and pieces.

00:46:11.840 He didn't have any surgical alteration.

00:46:13.560 You know, uh, it could have made it more aerodynamic for swimming.

00:46:16.300 So maybe.

00:46:16.500 He was thinking it was a bit of drag.

00:46:17.960 I don't know.

00:46:18.500 Yeah.

00:46:19.000 Yeah.

00:46:19.400 Yeah.

00:46:19.720 I don't know about you, Derek, but when I was at school, if you tried to win a race

00:46:23.640 against the girls, they'd laugh.

00:46:25.040 You tricked you.

00:46:25.800 You left the school branch.

00:46:27.240 Yeah.

00:46:28.120 Yeah.

00:46:28.480 Oh, I'm surprised he didn't remove the keel from the boat for the race.

00:46:31.040 But, uh, uh, yeah.

00:46:33.560 Anyways, that's, that's good news for women, for sportsmanship, no pun intended, uh, and 1.00

00:46:39.280 for science and sanity, the world returning to a little more balance, the force, balance

00:46:47.680 returning to the force.

00:46:48.600 Sometimes it can happen.

00:46:50.200 Yeah.

00:46:50.880 Nigel, Corey, thank you very much.

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