The Pipeline： Creative destruction at Alberta Health Services
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In this week's show, we discuss the Alberta government's attempt to get rid of the entire Alberta Health Services Board, the new leadership of the Alberta Teachers' Union, and the government's plans for the future of Alberta's health care system.
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i'll introduce who i'm sitting with tonight i'll start on the far end actually since he's
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not always here as a one of our panelists our news editor mr dave naylor how's it going dave
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good backed by popular demand i hope yes i mean we were just overwhelmed with that family mail
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with your absence last week and uh our opinion editor mr nigel henneford full of opinions as
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usual i'd best be it pretty dull if we wouldn't put those forth but they're always well received
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you know shuffle through the responses the emails and yeah we have always pick which we like which
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we don't we got some stuff to share some opinions on tonight though uh big one i mean this is uh
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gonna obviously gonna be a large part of premier smith's you know entire tenure in office she's
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taking on the big one she's taken on healthcare this is something that i think makes most premieres
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you know break out in a cold sweat at the prospect of uh dealing with i mean it's canada's sacred cow
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that that healthcare system that nobody's allowed to do anything with aside from injecting more
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money into it and uh perhaps you know further entrenching the inability to change anything with
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so she came out with a large release today as the title says a creative destruction at alberta
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health services so she's she's not uh taking a minor approach to things she's she's diving right
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in uh maybe dave i'll start with kind of the news end though uh what did you gather from
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the conference today no she promised to do it and uh said she would and she did today i can't take
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my glasses off dramatically like nigel does because i wouldn't be able to see my notes but
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basically ahs doesn't exist anymore it's it's probably better known as alberta hospital
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services, as opposed to Alberta health services. Under the restructuring, AHS is only going to be
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responsible for hospitals and acute care. And they've set up a whole bunch of different other
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cylinders. They've got one on continuing care, and they're basically going to be looking at
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seniors' homes, and they're going to be solely in care of them. They're going to be a primary care
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network, which is basically going to, their goal is to link every Albertan with a family
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doctor. And there's going to be a separate mental health addiction silo. And they're going to be
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focused on what they call recovery-oriented care. Now, the entire Alberta Health Services
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board was fired earlier. They named a new head today, Lyle Oberg, who was a former
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education minister back in the day. And back in the day, Nigel, you'll remember,
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it was oberg who fired daniel smith as a calgary school board trustee so uh i guess it's one thing
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that shows it shows smith doesn't hold a grudge certainly does so yeah so a massive reorganization
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today and uh you know this is what the uh the daniel smith government will be judged on in
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in four years time when they go back to the polls or in three and a half years time
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Didn't take long for the NDP to say the world is ending.
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And the NDP was joined by the likes of Gil McGowan, who also predicted the end of civilization as we know it because of this.
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And the AUPE doctors, you know, they said, as long as we're getting consulted and have a big say in what's going on, you know, they'd be okay with it.
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But as usual, it's the usual suspects complaining and the usual proponents proponing, if that's the word.
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Great. Well, so, Nigel, I mean, speaking of political capital, I mean, this is a big investment.
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I mean, there's no going back once you're ready to try and take on that behemoth of health care.
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Premier Smith doesn't appear to be afraid to dive right in.
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I mean, I imagine this is going to be the first step of a lot of work she's going to do in the next few years.
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I would say, well, it's, you know, after the energy security thing, this is the biggest thing on her plate, no question about it.
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And just sort of going back 20 years when I was on the editorial board of the Calvary Herald with her,
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Like this is something that she's wanted to address
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because Alberta Health has always been this massive,
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it's like the oil tanker that takes like 10 miles to turn around.
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it doesn't respond very well to the touch of the wheel.
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You know, it's one of those where sometimes they do some good work, but basically it responds to the priorities and the interests of the people at the top of the pyramid.
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And that, of course, is one reason why she got rid of the board last year.
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But you're still left with this oil tanker, you know, and now she has one captain in the person of Dr. Cowell instead of a committee trying to steer it.
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But in the end, it's just too big to focus and get the job done.
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So she's breaking it up into four in the way that Dave described.
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But, you know, the problem for anybody, whether it was Danielle Smith or whether it had been somebody else who wants to reform that agency, is that the unions have it by the throat.
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And you'll notice that the AUPE spokesman who came out shortly afterwards and, you know, the world is ending, AUPE President Guy Smith responding right afterwards, is that the Alberta government, here's the solution from the unions.
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The Alberta government should implement wage increases.
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So if people aren't performing very well, you can't get rid of them.
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And probably is going to mean a lot of, it should mean, it ought to mean,
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that a lot of administrative jobs would get kicked out
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who can actually put a sticking plaster on a wound.
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Well, that's something that's been said a long, long time.
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But they're always afraid to actually take on the behemoth
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I mean, you know, it used to be regional boards.
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So when I heard, you know, the plan was to break it up, I kind of thought maybe she's going back to that, which I thought it's mixed.
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I mean, we've already been there, but no, this is different.
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Breaking it into different specialties, which I think leaves a lot more room to give your rationale to say, OK, you don't fit into the current model.
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And I know I'm not celebrating the loss of jobs of people.
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We know there's been a lot of inefficiency and we could probably do without a heck of a lot of those people who are in that bureaucracy.
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this is perhaps a bit of a I mean the premier premier stress today that there
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would probably be no frontline job losses but yeah I mean how many vice
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presidents did the AHF like 27 28 something like that that's not higher
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ironically I had a I had a visit this morning with my family doctor did
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unspeakable things to me Nigel I just won't speak no more no I'm not gonna
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speak a little bit anymore I'm still I'm still traumatized because there's still a little white
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no no I don't and no cavities by the way I'll say that for my British British teeth but I find that
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once you're once you're once you get into the system there's no better system in the world
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you know once you get an appointment with your specialist or whatnot but you getting into the
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system is too difficult for a lot of Albertans. And I think that's what some of these changes are
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aimed at doing. So AHS, as they were, doesn't have to deal with the mental crisis. They just
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have to deal with, you know, delivering acute health care. And as long as they can focus on
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that, it can't help but improve, surely. You know, I'm not sure I 100% agree with you about there is
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no better system once you get into it. First of all, you are correct that getting into it is
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difficult well you're into it once you see your general practitioner who says yes you've got
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something i need to refer you to a specialist oh when would that be next week oh no no it's
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down the road no doubt it's going to be a long time and once you get to the specialist who's
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you know taking appointments for six months out and i don't and please don't do this ladies and
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gentlemen i know there are some of you who will be saying six months what are you talking about
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it was nine months from gp it was a year from gp to specialize we know i was trying to be generous
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but you know um once you get to the specialist well then you're looking at another lengthy
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period of time so there should be i noticed that there are other countries where this is not the
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case and they're not all the sort of the socialist utopias that that you might expect some of them
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are pretty hard-nosed countries where they found a way to get it done and that's what we need to do
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in alberta is to find a way to to get it done yeah and it's it's certainly the it's the province's
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biggest expense and we're not getting we're not getting any better outcomes than other jurisdictions
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i know corey's talked about it on his show that you know you look over there are other ways of
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of doing it that seem to produce better outcomes.
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And you know, the one that struck me as the most likely
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God rest his soul, Ralph Klein did a lot of good things,
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that you couldn't start a private hospital in Alberta.
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We should have opened the gates to private healthcare,
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brought them in, and then had a bidding war to get the procedures done that needed to be done.
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You know, I was traveling some years ago, ended up in Jordan, of all places,
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and driving down the street, I couldn't help noticing the hospital, hospital, clinic, clinic.
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That little country has built itself up an enviable reputation as the place to go to get treated quickly.
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But there it was, and they drew their trade from all over the Middle East and Europe,
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and they've done exactly what we should have done in Alberta.
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They have attracted the medical profession to come and set up right there.
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Same thing's happened in Mexico with dental work.
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I mean, you're just across the border, and you see nothing but dental clinics,
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and you see nothing but Canadians lined up in front of them.
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And I'd say, and it's not that our dental service is so bad.
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I mean, you make an appointment, you go in, you get done,
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but it's just that it costs you about three times what it costs you.
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And you can have a holiday for what you save on the trip to Mexico, so they tell me.
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I was just going to say, we've started the process, but it's like drip, drip, drip.
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Where, okay, now you can go to a private clinic and get your eyes done
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And it all gets billed back to Alberta Healthcare Services.
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And in theory, that should shorten the wait list for everybody else.
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It doesn't seem to have cut it tremendously, but you're right.
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You know, if we'd have done what, you know, instead of Bill 11, done the opposite
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and attracted private hospitals, we would have been in a lot better position than we are now.
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One thing, though, and, Corey, I mean, I guess we all remember Lyle Oberg from his...
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like I have some confidence in this knowing that he is the the point of the spear on this now
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and I remember one thing about it while it I mean it it shouldn't matter but somehow it does
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this was the guy he was an MLA at the time driving to Edmonton comes across a road accident
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gets out somebody's you know in serious condition as a consequence he's a doctor
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get so he does what doctors do fixes the guy actually he did what first aid people do but
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got the the fellow stabilized and into an ambulance and all the way to where he could
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be properly looked after and there's something about that ability to be hands-on if you have to
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be that to me gives there's a certain amount of confidence in and having somebody who can do that
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and respond quickly to an emergency sitting at the point of the spear on on alberta health yeah
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and the twitter reaction today is noted that he's a proponent of private health
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so yeah i mean i believe it was a vietnamese clinic he was involved in at some time in the
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past or something like that i could stand to be corrected on that but he'd done other work once
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he'd left government on things like that because people i mean that's part of the reality of
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what's happening it's not just the rich seeking care outside of the borders it's the desperate
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it's people you know so we say oh you need this heart procedure within four months or there's a
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50 chance you'll die we'll schedule you in for six months from now well person in that circumstance
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they're going to refinance their house they're going to borrow from friends and family they're
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going to sell the household dog whatever they have to do and they'll go somewhere else don't
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sell the dog well yeah it depends on the dog i got one as a real jerk i'm not the wonder dog
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not to no but either way you know people are are leaving and the dollars are fleeing i mean there's
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some of the things that I think the purists with our public system need to understand. The two
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tiers are already there. Why not keep the dollars here? Why not keep the specialists here? But can
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we get to that with the drip, drip, drip, as Dave said, or does Daniel Smith need to get in there
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and rip that bandaid off and let's have this fight? Because it's going to be a fight. They're
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going to battle every possible private inclusion of anything provision-wise on every front.
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well it's interesting when you look at the proposed timing of this she's doing some things
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as soon as this spring and then it's in the fall and then it's 2024. so what's ripping off the
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band-aid terrible pun given the nature of the discussion uh cory but you used plaster earlier
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i wasn't sure if all of our viewers would understand that but you know this is going
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to be tough and she's getting it done early in her mandate and hopefully i mean hopefully for her
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but hopefully for all of us she can make this thing work the way it's supposed to work yeah
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and then it's not going to be an election issue in 2027 exactly and then in 2027 if she wants to
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campaign on ripping that band-aid off that would be something that she considered and she can look
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back and say these are the successes that we've had hopefully and we're seeing some political
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tactics another name that she added to her list of people i saw stelmac coming up in there as well
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So, I mean, it's showing that she's willing to bring in a coalition of people that she differed quite strongly with before.
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Yes, Oberyn fired her and Pollock and the rest from the dysfunctional school board.
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It was Premier Stelmack who brought in the super board, who got rid of the regionalized health care authorities.
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And he was asked today, you know, you set up this big thing.
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And he basically said, yeah, it's just grown too big.
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It was a good idea at the time in 2008, but it's grown into a monolith now that is like your proverbial oil tanker.
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And that might calm some of the red Tory element, I guess you could say.
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And we'll tie that in when we talk in our next subject pretty quickly as well,
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because you've got a party that still has some that are clinging to the progressive conservative notion of things
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and some who still self-identify perhaps as Wildrose, Premier Stomach was most certainly
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of the progressive conservative past. I mean, so having him on board is keeping those members
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realizing she's getting input from, you know, more and more. Well, to that end, it's sort of
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interesting that she reached out to Jim Denning on the Alberta pension plan. It's like everybody
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who ever did an editorial board with the Calgary Herald has now been put to work in the Alberta
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government it's just uh it's uh well they're gonna be lining up trying to get in for what's left of
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the editorial board of the herald well yeah you know what i'm saying yes i don't think they have
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an editorial board no no but she's relying on uh people that she's known in the past
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and they're mostly people who are pretty uh high profile in their time
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so it's it's kind of nice to see and see how that's coming along yeah they're experienced
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connections i mean it's not a case of nepotism you know it's her second cousin from over here
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or somebody who helped on a campaign over there these are these are well established uh you know
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figures within alberta with some experience under there and as mentioned oberg fighter
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got over things yeah so let's turn and uh go to where we spent last weekend which was at the uh
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united conservative party agm the first one since uh daniel smith got elected as premier in the
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the general election. Huge, huge. 3,700 and change attendees. And I think from my perspective
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on the ground, for that many people, it went off quite well.
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Biggest Canadian political convention in history. 3,700 people. It was incredible.
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Oh, it was unbelievable. It was that deodorant I was wearing. It's irresistible.
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yeah uh she gave a uh the keynote speech on saturday where alberta will be the shining
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light on the hill uh sitting on the hill yeah and uh biggest applause that she got a thunderous
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standing ovation was when she said that she would be standing up for parents for parent rights and
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the uh one of the proposals of 30 on the weekend was that that uh parents have the right to know
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before teachers start changing genders on kids at school and i think that passed utterly unanimously
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and uh it was certainly uh the rest of the uh the rest of the uh resolutions were were about giving
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more power to individuals and and to parents and i think everything every single one of them except
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school vouchers passed uh so it uh you know david parker take back alberta he's certainly taking
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the credit for it uh he got his person elected as uh party party chairman or party president
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whatever the whatever the position is and beat rick orman quite handily uh so yeah i think it
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was a hugely successful weekend uh both for take back alberta and for danielle smith and the ucp
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well i 100 agree with you on that it was a tremendous success for her
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but now she actually has to act on that thunderous applause
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And it was kind of, you know, we went up to the presser afterwards
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And she kind of got a little bit, from my point of view anyway,
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But when she said, well, yes, but we, you know,
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obviously that's what we think, but we have to balance other interests.
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And, you know, our columnist, John Hilton O'Brien, jumped right on it and said, look, when you're talking about parental rights, who are the other stakeholders that you have to balance the interests with?
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Surely not the teachers and surely not the advocates for things that you don't agree with.
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Now, you're right, she did get massive, thunderous applause.
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those same people will turn on her if she does not deliver what they thought she was delivering
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at that very moment. To be clear, none of these resolutions are binding on the government. They're
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sort of guiding principles. That is true. And she, at that press conference, she was asked if she
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would bring in legislation similar to what Saskatchewan has done protecting parents' rights.
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And you're right. She does not want to get involved in this because it's such a political hot potato with the activists on the left. So she didn't commit to bringing in legislation. And as she said, she's got to be premier for the entire province, not just the 3,700 UCP members.
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I can get why she just wouldn't want to touch it at all.
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I mean, it's just a hot button, but it's perilous.
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And as Nigel was kind of hinting at, and of course, Mr. Parker is always happy to point out,
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he'll rip her down just as quickly and fast if she doesn't move ahead with the agenda
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as he has taken part and at least contributed towards with Premier Kenney in the past
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I mean, to define the balance, you can't let yourself be wagged by TBA.
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But at the same time, when the members have been so clear on at least one subject, she should throw that red meat to them.
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I mean, that's one of the ones that's been pulled quite often.
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That seems to be where the activists in the unions overstepped.
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When this is going to public polls, even left-leaning people tend to say, my relationship between my children is between me and my child, not the teacher and my child, not the principal and my child, not that activist and my child, myself.
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And that's where they're trying to shoehorn themselves.
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It was basically saying parents don't have the right to raise their children.
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And people, you know, they're saying, who's ever questioning your right to raise your children?
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Lots of people are. They're doing it every day, actually.
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It wouldn't surprise me to see Premier Scott Moe call an early election specifically on this issue
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because he is getting a lot of pushback from the from the lefts and the unions.
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And despite the fact that all the polls show it's overwhelmingly supported by Canadians.
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Look for a scout model to call an early election on it.
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It'd be a good one to dig up the archives of this one if that happens,
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But I think that she actually does have very genuine libertarian tendencies, and you would
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That's very much where we're on very similar pages politically.
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So she would take the view that, look, you have to let people be what they are.
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But what the parents were applauding and what the parents are absolutely sure they don't
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want is somebody else trying to tell the kids what they should be.
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And anecdotal evidence is always dangerous, as we know.
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But in the context of this discussion, I was just relating,
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a parent told me that there was the class that their grandchildren were in.
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Everybody was happy at the beginning of the year.
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At the end of the year, half of them were confused.
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so what something is going on because you know we all remember what it was like in school we
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were confused about a lot of things but never about this it was usually algebra it's usually
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algebra yeah exactly so uh so anyway look she's um the premier is on is definitely riding a tiger
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on this one in my view and we'll have to see how she deals with it but um if she decides to
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follow the line of Scott Moe, she's not going to make any mistakes.
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Yeah, and we've heard stories about how kids in mass in certain classes are all of a sudden
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deciding they're not the gender that they were born.
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So we have to accept that activism is alive and well in the Canadian school system.
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And it's only going to be through legislation that stops it, in my opinion.
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and i do believe moderate rational people some that still wouldn't vote ucp for example still
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as parents wouldn't like it if in the classroom that their child was taught by a very socially
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conservative teacher and perhaps the child confided to the teacher saying i'm you know i think i might
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be gay i'm having feelings towards uh you know people of the same gender as myself and that
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teacher cracked down and said absolutely not you're wrong you're gonna burn in hell you know
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taking that stance with the child that's another violation getting between the parent and the child
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And, you know, I'm just saying that this can cut both ways.
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I think most people can support just parental authority,
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even though some parents will screw it up at times, it's still paramount.
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But, you know, Corey, let's say that a parent does screw it up.
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If you have a child complains to their teacher that mom and dad are against them in this area, okay, there are authorities who you can go to and the investigation can be launched and see who said what unto whom.
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And under certain circumstances, you can have a criminal prosecution.
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What you shouldn't have is a little quiet pipeline that doesn't involve the parents at all.
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They never get a chance to answer for what they're being charged with.
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And it just takes the child away in a totally different direction and nobody even knows.
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I mean, it's a turning point for kids, particularly when you get 12 to 16, you're pissed off at the world.
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Often your parents, you're finding yourself, you're rebelling against, you're not even sure what yet, but you're ticked off at it.
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It used to be a kid dyeing his hair purple or putting a clothespin through his ear.
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You know, now it's, oh, I'm going to change my gender.
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How many of the ones identifying right now, once they hit 18, 19, are still identifying as trans or perhaps have settled back into what they're doing?
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Well, that will be interesting, Corey, but the problem is that if there aren't some breaks on all of this, some of them may have done things that are going to...
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Well, that's the biggest concern is the irreversible things such as transitioning puberty blockers or even surgical intervention.
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That's why we need to stop this activism. And I think the pendulum is now starting to swing backwards, slowly but surely.
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They overshot, I think. That's what I mean. It's people, I think, instinctively, again, even if you're a far left person, it's you and your children. You've taken on that role. Most people take that very seriously, and they want to instill what they feel are their morals and values and hopefully good concepts among the children.
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we can differ on what the parents feel is appropriate or not, but very few of them want
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another authority to get between them and their kids, as strongly as they might feel about unions
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or activists. Wait a minute, that's me and the child, not you guys getting in there. So if it
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turns into a storm, it probably will, whether she likes it or not. Premier Smith's very smart. She
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should be able to navigate these waters. I think she'd be less clumsy, perhaps, than Premier Moe
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with the whole thing, and he's been faring quite well with this. And there was a big protest outside
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the ucp convention i think 10 11 people you think 12 okay i i couldn't take my shoes off the count
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so uh because i failed algebra i'm not very good at math so yeah it's it's a vocal vocal minority
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but a minority they are yeah i think the other thing about that uh convention was that um she
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felt free to to talk the language of margaret thatcher and ronald reagan i mean you were you
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but the point was that he brought it forward again.
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as being an extremely attractive place for people to come to.
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When did you last hear a politician talking about freedom in the sense of personal uplifting freedom as opposed to freedom to be a victim?
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You know, she's really elevating the tone of the conversation.
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And it was a short, but somewhat punchy speech.
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You know, sometimes those could, I think Premier Smith here, I mean, Kenny used to go for a good 40, 45 often.
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I'd be getting to sort back by the time it was going.
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But, I mean, she was unapologetically conservative, which was refreshing.
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I mean, she came out of the gates calling out socialists unions and then putting out, you know, kind of a little bit of a poke at them.
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So do you think we have another Maggie or Ron on our hands in the making?
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we'll see when the battle begins i mean it's one thing to start the fight it's winning is when
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you'll see whether yeah you've got somebody ready to take on the air traffic controllers or the uh
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other strikers because that's what that's where the battle is it's the unions it's there's no
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getting around it that's that's the bastion that's where the strength of
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rachel notley has been and somebody needs to take them on rather than catering to them all the time
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no no this is as in health so in education these are the two like big areas where they've become
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totally dug in. Which is interesting because I mean one of the most effective ways perhaps to
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defuse the unions might have been a full out voucher system and that's the only policy that
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failed. Yeah I was surprised by that actually. I thought that might pass but it failed. It wasn't
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it was a close vote. I think it was the only one that they actually had to count by hand because
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all the other ones were so overwhelmingly for the affirmative side. But yeah I was surprised
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they got voted down. But as you said before whichever way the vote goes it doesn't bind
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the government no exactly they can still bring it in if they want smith wants uh wants a voucher
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system she can bring that in yeah and they're doing it sort of different everybody knows what
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a voucher system is yeah well yeah your average person probably doesn't dig much in so i mean
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very briefly the the government is going to spend a certain amount of money on your
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on your child's education so you just go to the nearest school well another method of saying okay
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okay, your education is going to be worth this much.
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Take this chit, go to the school you like,
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and the school will turn the chit in to get paid.
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There are some schools who would do very well on that,
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and there are some that would be deeply and sorely embarrassed.
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And I think it's because of the danger of sore embarrassment
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that the education system, which hates to be measured anyway,
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But there are certainly some schools that, if they're doing a good job, why not put a little force behind them?
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And I think there was a suggestion that maybe take a look at starting it with daycares and send the money for daycare to the, you know, follow the child, so to speak.
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See how that works and then maybe expand it into the school system.
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Some competition, I mean, letting parents vote with their voucher would, yeah, certainly, but that's what I mean, is in a way to take on the units.
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Because one of the problems with the heavily unionized environment is you'll get some teachers.
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I mean, some are probably worth twice what they're being compensated.
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It's an art, but I can greatly admire those that can do it well.
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But we know there's always some who are just mailing it in as well for a good pension.
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And if a school's been overrun by the second bunch, they're not going to get many students.
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that's always one of the biggest things they love to fight. Don't you dare test those kids because
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we might actually start to see which educators are effective and which aren't. But that's saying
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that we should stop weighing kids because then we'll find out which are obese and which aren't.
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I mean, you can't treat the problem until you test. You know, Corey, we got a great column
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running on Friday. I think it's Friday. Murray Lytle, anyway, writes for us down then. And he's
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an engineer. He was actually a commissioner on the National Energy Board. But he went through a patch
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he was looking for a job and he decided well maybe i should take my engineering credentials and
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go be a teacher and um you know would you like would you like your kids taught by somebody who
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was a professional who had the kahunas to get a professional engineer and become that and to
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and to know how to put a pipeline together like that kind of expertise and knowledge
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what happened and he describes it in the article that like i say i think is coming out on friday
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they wanted him to take a two-year course to become a teacher and this of course is the two-year
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course where the teachers get indoctrinated into the union mentality and the union set of priorities
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and the way that they the woke way that they want to teach the kids and it would be
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it would be one of the better things that the education system could do in my view is to make
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it easier for accomplished professionals who had something to offer to engage in the education
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system, whether it was for a one-year sabbatical or whether it was for, you know, a career midlife
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crisis, whatever it was, you know, let people who have real knowledge of the hard world in which we
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live come in and educate kids if they have a wish to do so. Check it out. Looking forward to reading
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that one yes morning light alone friday absolutely okay well and things that broke yesterday i saw
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that uh pop up i didn't expect it i didn't know it was coming it sounds like we've got quite a
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celebrity appearance coming dave and and our premier is going to be sitting down with it we
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did uh it wasn't a surprise to us but we were able to keep the secret um yeah uh tucker carlson
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coming to town uh is it next january or february the 24th january 24th arguably the biggest media
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star in the world today. As you know, he got fired from Fox, and that's going to cost him
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hundreds of millions of dollars, I'm sure. And he set up shop on Twitter, where his shows get
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tens of millions of viewers every single time. It's ratings that Corey can only dream of, Nigel.
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Got a ways to go. Yeah, he's going to be coming to Calgary for a thing at the convention center.
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He's going to be a moderator, Brett Wilson, Calgary businessman and philanthropist and guest on Corey's show regularly.
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And, yeah, he's going to be sitting down and chatting with Premier Daniel Smith.
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So, yeah, the ink had not dried on my enter button when I published the story that left-wing heads were exploding all over the country, led by our friend Gil McGowan again.
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The world is ending, Gil, followed quickly by Rachel Motley, or it might have been vice
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versa, Rachel Motley saying that the world was ending.
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But it was the left-wing media, too, that were jumping all over it, led by the Globe
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and Mail's Kelly Kreiderman and Andrew Coyne, who called out Premier Smith for daring to
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sit down with this right-wing individual who holds controversial comments, and what is
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Well, I mean, first of all, that event is going to be sold out by the end of the week.
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But that is going to go so fast that if you are thinking of getting a ticket, by the way, we are a sponsor.
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And we are offering a VIP package to our members, so let's not forget that.
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But if you have any, I would say that if anybody had any wish to go to that,
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they'd better get their name in right away or else get re-typed with somebody who's bought a table already.
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And, well, they're already winners if they are.
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But now there's a benefit beyond being instilled
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the opportunity to sit down with Jordan Peterson, as she did,
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to be on, what is it, this hour has 22 minutes yesterday,
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chat things over, hang out with Tucker Carlson.
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Boy, I would say that alone would justify all the effort
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that she won't be becoming Premier of the province.
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I mean, people can complain about a lot of things,
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I mean, she sat down with the Pemba Day Institute.
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you wouldn't be able to drag me into your rotten room,
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I mean, those guys aren't even allowed inside Jody Gondek's press conference.
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But they're at the top of the line to ask questions on Saturday at her press conference.
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And she's not going to be starstruck by Tucker Carlson.
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Oh, no, if there's any given and getting, she's going to get as good as she gets.
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And I'm sure it'll be an entertaining afternoon.
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What is it, the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink?
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Well, if it's pomposity and smugness, then I can see why Andrew Coyne doesn't like him instinctively.
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Because that's personified two of the four things that Mr. Carl stands against.
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I mean, even among conservatives, there's some love-hate going on with Tucker Carlson.
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Is it a bit of a gamble, though, for Premier Smith sitting down with him?
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And I mean, I know she'll enjoy it, but, you know, she's always now in her role has to weigh the bigger picture of some of the stuff she does.
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I'll bet you that if you had been in a position to take a poll of that 38, 3,900 people, it was actually more than 3,700.
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Anyway, if you could have taken a poll of that room, that it's just a bet.
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but i reckon that tucker carlson would have been um you know media favorite for just about all of
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them and a few who weren't but uh in that room it's not a risk to her base her base is going
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to love the fact that she sits down with carlson as much as uh the squirrels will be out there
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protesting outside of the center probably and they'll be screaming bloody murder your average
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uberton voter will have long forgotten it within four or five weeks of the event anyways that's
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If you're thinking of going for dinner afterwards, make your reservation now.
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Hey, did you know you're guest hosting the show for three weeks?
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Some are born to it and some haven't thrust upon it.
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We'll work on that contingency as the time nears.
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Yeah, but it's the usual negative Nellies, you know, instantly condemning something.
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And it's the negative Nellies and the left-wing media instantly condemning something.
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I mean, every time the premier speaks publicly, there's a risk.
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If she slips up and says something stupid, she's going to get crucified for it.
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And if she slips up and says something stupid with Tucker Carlson, I can promise you we'll crucify her.
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But the left-wing media will be doing it much happier than we are.
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Well, some of it, I mean, I think part of what Carlson symbolizes or signifies for our legacy media members
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and why The Globe and Ms. Kreiderman got so upset, he broke away from legacy.
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He had his show. He was on Fox. He had his millions of viewers on there. Yeah, he didn't break away willingly. He was fired. But he resurfaced and is doing better than he's ever done before. I mean, the viewership is off the charts now. He's made an example showing, you know what? We don't need those old dinosaurs. We don't need those institutions. We can actually go to modern means of communicating to people now and get the messaging out. And I think that scares a lot in the establishment. I mean, it frightens them.
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They're in an industry, as you guys would know,
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about that press conference, and I was just thinking,
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and Stuart from the Edmonton Journal, you know.
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but some people of our demographic and our age.
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You know, we were speaking about Dr. Cowell earlier.
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We were speaking to Dr. Denning, of Jim Denning,
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John Haskell- They can't put us out to rest to theirs.
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who put his questions forward to the Premier Smith.
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And that was one more thing, actually, kind of going back
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I saw, you know, and I've been doing a lot of them,
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that's something we always decry as conservatives, not enough youth. There was a fair amount actually
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of younger people evident at that AGM. I was quite happily surprised to see it.
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And that would probably have been their first political experience. They probably joined up
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just to come to the AGM. Yeah, well, I mean, that's great. It's great that they're in the
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room for the plenary sessions, but then you can't get near the bar afterwards.
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No, that is a problem. They've got very much younger ones, yeah. I'm speaking even people,
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Well, I mean, in conservative meetings, sometimes you're lucky to have the average sitting below 60, you know, or the old reform meetings.
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It was fairly outrageous that they only offered Anheuser-Busch products, except for maybe one local craft brewery.
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You know, for obvious reasons, that's what I chose.
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And it turned out to be, you know, you find out something good just by accident.
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You had to play the role of Corey buying women, you know,
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You just don't get us to do it with our significant others.
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I mean, our own Jen Hodgson, why would you not?
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And by the way, I would buy one for Kelly Crowderman, too.
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I know we've used her name in vain a couple of times here,
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but she was a tremendous colleague with the Calvary.
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good reporter so i still like swiping at the legacy media when i can if she wants to re-establish
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you know there's some great independent outlets she could uh land within perhaps if she was
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moving along the only other critique i had there was a lack of coffee and i appreciate you going
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out to find some because those of us that need that regular caffeine that was i heard that from
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a number of people where can i get a coffee yeah well you know how far i had to i had to actually
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break into the craft show up the corridor and i explained the situation and they said well all
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right you can you can go to where we're selling coffee it's way down there but you're not to look
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at any of the booths eyes front get some crafted blinders on you all right oh well it was still
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thanks also to christine cusinelli who came on and helped me carry the whole back you guys drink a
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a lot of coffee. Actually, I don't. I'll close out with one thumbs up to that poor beleaguered
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pair of security guys who kept trying to stop people from entering through the exit doors,
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watching him doggedly trying to keep those conservative, stubborn folks in order.
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And I'm not sure how we're doing on time, but this is our last show before Remembrance Day.
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yes so i think we would be remiss without uh saying god bless all the veterans and uh and
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let's uh remember the fallen on saturday at the 11th hour of the 11th day and you know we're only
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able to do these type of shows because of the sacrifice they made so god bless them all the
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cost a perfect way to close out the show we're wrapping up right now so yes to those veterans
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still out there thank you for your service and uh you'll have nothing but my appreciation for
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those who have already passed so thank you all for tuning in today guys uh well we covered a lot
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