Western Standard - The Pipeline December 9, 2020. Lockdowns, Freeland eyeing your savings & Krampus are discussed

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00:02:30.000 Hi, I'm Derek Fildebrand, publisher of the Western Standard.

00:02:38.220 You're watching the Western Standard's pipeline on, today is Wednesday, December 9th, 2020.

00:02:46.760 Thankfully, 2020 is almost over, but it seems like it's going to continue on for a bit longer now.

00:02:51.200 Joining me today is Western Standard News Editor, Dave Naylor.

00:02:54.760 Hi, Dave.

00:02:55.660 Hello, Derek.

00:02:56.420 Good to be with you.

00:02:57.760 And Western Standard Podcast Editor and columnist, Corey Morgan.

00:03:02.200 Good day, Corey.

00:03:03.800 Good day.

00:03:04.520 Today, we're going to be going through the latest of what's happening across the West and in Ottawa affecting the West.

00:03:14.040 We're going to be dealing with the government that stole Christmas.

00:03:16.660 Governments across the West, including the holdouts in Alberta and Saskatchewan, are now in full lockdown.

00:03:22.220 Christmas is canceled.

00:03:23.220 Christmas is canceled.

00:03:23.680 We'll be talking about that.

00:03:25.900 Federal Finance Minister and pseudo-prime minister, Chrystia Freeland, warns that Canadians have too much money right now and that they need to spend it.

00:03:36.420 Talking about ways that the government can unleash the heavy pockets of Canadians.

00:03:42.400 And Krampus, the German Christmas monster, reigns terror in Calgary, terrifying people, leading to police calls from people with nothing better to do.

00:03:55.780 So we're going to start with, I think it brings back to stealing Christmas, the government that stole Christmas.

00:04:04.200 We've got lockdowns in British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and the rest of the East on the advice of Ottawa.

00:04:13.320 Alberta now following the lead of British Columbia with a total and complete lockdown.

00:04:19.280 Dave, why don't you tell our viewers what exactly is happening?

00:04:23.780 What is this new lockdown?

00:04:26.760 And what does this really mean for the holidays?

00:04:30.500 If you could talk about it in Alberta here, where it's probably getting the biggest news, but also across the West, where similar measures are now in place.

00:04:38.760 Premier Kenney announced them last night, Derek, calling them, quote, dramatic measures.

00:04:45.460 And what it means is basically the end to anything Christmassy in Alberta.

00:04:51.420 Christmas gatherings in your home are now banned.

00:04:55.940 Any outdoor activity whatsoever is banned.

00:04:59.940 So there'll be no caroling through the streets of Stephen Avenue Mall.

00:05:06.880 A lot of stuff mirrors the earlier lockdown that we had in the spring.

00:05:11.620 Pubs and restaurants will be closed as of 12.01 on Sunday morning.

00:05:18.180 They'll be closed for in-house dining and drinking.

00:05:22.800 But curbside menu takeouts are still being allowed.

00:05:31.440 He says that Alberta has handled the pandemic better than most jurisdictions.

00:05:37.980 He's been under a lot of pressure to bring in more restrictions as the numbers have soared in Calgary recently.

00:05:45.680 We're averaging, I think, about 1,700 a day, which is an absolutely incredible figure with a positivity rate of close to 10 o'clock.

00:05:56.000 Sorry, 10%.

00:05:57.640 Casinos are now shut as our fitness centers, hair salons, any sort of personal service like that are closed.

00:06:06.080 Bingo halls are closed, pool halls, legions.

00:06:11.000 Malls are going to be allowed to remain open, but they're going to be cutting their capacity to only 15%.

00:06:17.440 So that's going to mean some crazy Christmas shopping lineups.

00:06:21.480 And I cannot even imagine what the lineup at Costco is going to be.

00:06:25.560 It'll be several blocks long, I'm sure.

00:06:29.600 That capacity limit is also in effect for funerals and weddings at a 10-person limit.

00:06:38.580 They say that single people are allowed to have two contacts that they can have into their house, but those two contacts have to stay the same.

00:06:46.960 Things like libraries, museums, galleries are all closed.

00:06:51.620 You can still go skiing, though, if you want, as long as the resorts maintain the social distancing required.

00:07:00.200 And Alberta has finally ordered a mandatory mask across the entire province.

00:07:06.260 We were the last province to bring in those mandatory mask orders.

00:07:12.840 Schools, there'll be no changes to the way it's operating.

00:07:17.400 Grades 7 to 12 will still stay in homeschooling.

00:07:22.480 And grades 1 through 6 will still continue to be allowed to have in-school progress.

00:07:29.260 They did have an announcement that they're updating their small business grant program.

00:07:37.200 They're actually quadrupling it.

00:07:38.720 It started out as $5,000 and it's now up to $20,000 to help out these poor businesses that are being closed again.

00:07:48.580 The first round of closures in the spring caught 30,000 businesses problems.

00:07:55.540 And it will cause 300,000 layoffs, an incredible amount and no reason to think that that figure won't be similar again.

00:08:05.880 So really all-encompassing order that, yeah, that does ruin Christmas for a lot of people.

00:08:15.220 Yeah, it's quite something.

00:08:17.860 I think these measures are pretty much what we're seeing right across the West.

00:08:21.160 Obviously, we're more familiar with what's happening in Alberta here.

00:08:25.540 But we're seeing a pretty much uniform set of lockdowns everywhere.

00:08:31.580 Corey, Jason Kenney has been probably the most reticent of the premiers to impose these kinds of lockdowns, mandatory face masks and things like that.

00:08:41.780 I'd like your take on why do you think, first, he held off on doing this, and second, why he is doing it now.

00:08:50.060 Is it primarily he believes it's necessary, or is this caving to political pressure?

00:08:57.440 Yeah, well, I mean, he's made it pretty clear.

00:09:02.460 I mean, he wants, I think ideologically, he really does believe in trying to leave business alone as much as possible.

00:09:08.600 He does understand we need to try and keep what little we can of this economy moving.

00:09:13.920 And he understands that this is going to castrate and completely bankrupt a great number of businesses.

00:09:18.780 But the political pressure became too much.

00:09:22.120 The infections kept going up.

00:09:24.080 The deaths are going up.

00:09:25.980 The ICU bed use is going up.

00:09:28.760 You know, we don't have them stacked like cordwood in the streets like Notley's making it out to be.

00:09:33.020 But there is a trend that has got a lot of Albertans freaked out.

00:09:37.060 We can talk about where that pressure is coming from.

00:09:39.060 I mean, the NDP with Notley has been outright hysteric for six months on pushing for a lockdown.

00:09:43.580 Now, Ninchy's screaming and howling for a lockdown.

00:09:45.660 Now, Iverson's screaming and howling for a lockdown.

00:09:48.300 Most of the mainstream media has been screaming and howling for a lockdown.

00:09:51.840 And throughout all of this, I went last weekend to see, well, is the public pushing back against the lockdown?

00:09:56.300 And I went downtown and about 500 people were gathered.

00:10:00.400 It wasn't a giant rational groundswell that's going to tell the premier that the public doesn't want this.

00:10:08.020 Whether or not this lockdown is effective or a good idea, I don't believe so.

00:10:12.920 But I also believe the government was courted.

00:10:14.900 I don't know where else Kenny could go.

00:10:16.760 I mean, his support numbers are going deep into the toilet.

00:10:21.100 Now he's ticked off both sides.

00:10:22.600 But it was just inevitable, I'm afraid.

00:10:25.720 It does seem to be a combination of, you know, an actual increase in infections and deaths.

00:10:33.380 But it seems that politics is driving most of this.

00:10:36.320 I think, you know, Kenny's instincts are not to do something like this.

00:10:41.540 These actions are inherently authoritarian.

00:10:44.680 He might be comfortable with authoritarianism in some aspects.

00:10:47.360 But I think when it comes to people going about their lives and operating businesses, I think his instincts are probably correct.

00:10:53.360 And so I don't think he wants to do this.

00:10:58.600 But I think it's, you know, things have gotten worse.

00:11:02.000 We are in a second wave.

00:11:03.640 But we're now seeing a policy dictated, I think, by polls.

00:11:08.200 The mainstream media have been uniformly demanding lockdowns.

00:11:13.680 Probably the most loud of these voices would be the Calgary Herald's Don Braid, who I think provides generally good political analysis as, you know, analysis of the landscape, the horse race, that kind of thing.

00:11:24.400 But has been taking a particularly political and ideological track in his columns of late, saying that the premier will have blood on his hands for all of these deaths.

00:11:36.020 You saw a reporter in a press conference with Jason Kinney.

00:11:39.700 I forget which outlet was this, where that rather loaded question came, Dave?

00:11:44.420 Do you recall?

00:11:45.080 It was Sammy Hudis from the Calgary Herald.

00:11:48.140 Okay.

00:11:48.400 You know, I've been in question period, and nine-tenths of your statement is not a question.

00:11:54.440 It's an indictment.

00:11:56.100 It's a preamble about why the government's so terrible.

00:11:59.620 His question to the premier sounded very much like that.

00:12:02.700 And I thought Jason Kinney was actually right in calling him out and saying that sounds more like an NDP question in the legislature than something that should come from the press.

00:12:12.040 I think it's a case of where a reporter wants to be the story himself rather than the contents of the story.

00:12:17.500 I'm trying to make a name for himself.

00:12:19.420 And you saw the mainstream media kind of rally around this guy, where I think it was, you know, the question itself, when he finally got to a question, it's a fair question.

00:12:29.340 You know, do you take responsibility for these deaths?

00:12:32.460 I don't think the premier is responsible for it, but I think it's a fair question.

00:12:36.900 But I think there's a little preamble around it.

00:12:38.920 The media feel very righteous in what they're doing, and their line is indistinguishable from the NDPs right now.

00:12:45.340 But it is funny, just roughly a week ago, it may have actually been exactly a week ago, we had Rachel Notley, she was on Danielle Smith's show, 770 CHQR, saying that bars and restaurants should be cut down.

00:12:58.700 And Jason Kinney pilloried her for that statement.

00:13:03.700 And one week later, if I'm not mistaken, this is now official government policy.

00:13:09.260 Bars and restaurants are shut down.

00:13:11.020 And not just that, you can't even have people in your home.

00:13:13.480 You can't even have your family over for Christmas legally.

00:13:16.640 Now, as I've said before, people should make their own choices about if that's an acceptable risk or not.

00:13:21.440 And if you think it is an acceptable risk, go ahead and do it.

00:13:24.580 The government cannot enter your home without a warrant.

00:13:27.140 Draw your blinds.

00:13:29.660 Post the Charter of Rights.

00:13:31.220 Take the Charter of Rights to your door.

00:13:33.160 And if the government comes to your door, you have one question.

00:13:36.180 Do you have a warrant?

00:13:37.120 If the answer is no or anything other than yes, close the door and have no for the conversation because you're not required to.

00:13:43.540 But it is an extraordinary measure for the government to be telling people that they can't even have close family and friends over for Christmas in their own homes.

00:13:52.080 But I think this is a case where politics has gotten the better of it.

00:13:56.400 If Jason Kinney truly feels that while it's unfortunate but necessary for these actions, he should have stuck to it.

00:14:02.740 Right now, we're kind of bouncing between Sweden and Ontario.

00:14:06.800 We're going between extreme lockdown and having relatively more liberties.

00:14:12.760 And we're getting the worst of both worlds.

00:14:15.480 We're not getting deferred immunity that would come with a more laissez-faire model.

00:14:19.640 And we're not getting the lack of transmission that you would get from a total lockdown.

00:14:24.560 We're getting the worst of both worlds.

00:14:26.460 So now we're likely to have a longer lockdown than something like Ontario.

00:14:31.180 Lockdowns only work when everybody does it.

00:14:33.060 And I don't think there's going to be that kind of compliance for it anymore.

00:14:35.460 The governments across Canada and across the world have just lost the trust of their people to too much of a degree.

00:14:42.040 But Alberta's been bouncing around from one extreme to another. 1.00

00:14:46.580 And while it might be at one extreme very grudgingly, it's got to pick a lane.

00:14:50.480 And I think we've got the worst of both worlds for that.

00:14:53.100 And it's now cost us Christmas and could go well into the new year.

00:14:57.720 Derek, you bring up a good point when you mention the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

00:15:01.980 I was talking to John Carpe at the Calgary Rally.

00:15:06.600 He's the head of the Canadian Centre for Constitutional Freedom.

00:15:11.400 His group has now filed a lawsuit against the Alberta government,

00:15:16.260 specifically looking at whether these measures are an infringement of the rights and freedoms.

00:15:23.760 He says that lawsuits will also be coming before Christmas against the government in B.C., Saskatchewan, Manitoba.

00:15:33.460 So he's taking his crusade across the country.

00:15:36.940 And Premier Kenney actually briefly mentioned the Charter of Rights in his lockdown statement yesterday,

00:15:43.080 saying, quote, unquote, some of the rights are, quote, being adjourned, unquote.

00:15:48.200 So I don't think he feels overly comfortable with some of the measures himself.

00:15:53.360 And it'll be interesting to see what the courts say.

00:15:57.320 Yeah, indeed.

00:16:01.920 Corey, do you have anything else to add on the lockdowns?

00:16:04.920 And what do you think would be the political fallout from this?

00:16:08.660 Do you think that in the end, when this is all said and done,

00:16:12.860 that, you know, people who are more skeptical of state power on the right,

00:16:19.300 who are part of the UCP coalition,

00:16:21.220 are they going to, at the end, shrug and say,

00:16:25.180 well, he was probably right in the end when this is all done?

00:16:27.660 Are they going, or are they going to shrug and say, I hated it.

00:16:30.640 It was wrong, but I have no other choice.

00:16:32.600 Or do you think this is going to create any kind of real breach

00:16:35.480 between Jason Kenney and the UCP base?

00:16:39.600 I think it's going to cause that breach.

00:16:43.100 He had been trying to walk both sides.

00:16:45.580 Kenney had been trying, as you said, to be reticent about locking down.

00:16:48.940 But now he's actually kind of basically managed to piss off everybody.

00:16:52.860 No matter what happens, he's going to get it.

00:16:55.560 I mean, I don't feel, and as you said,

00:16:57.440 that these lockdowns are really going to halt the infection spread.

00:17:01.500 I don't think it's going to make much difference.

00:17:03.640 And then, of course, he's going to be pilloried by the media

00:17:05.560 and all the rest of the people that we mentioned,

00:17:06.940 because they're saying, well, that's because he started too late

00:17:09.300 and he let the cat out and it's done.

00:17:12.460 What we're also going to see, I mean, I owned a restaurant for years.

00:17:15.340 It's a brutal, tough business at the best of times.

00:17:18.960 Every time we do this, there's going to be a great deal more of them

00:17:21.480 that even when the restrictions rise, they're not going to be there anymore.

00:17:24.240 They're going to be gone.

00:17:25.080 Those jobs are going to be gone.

00:17:26.600 The jobs supplying the restaurants are going to be gone.

00:17:28.760 As well, you know, in hospitality, hotels, retail, this is just an ongoing catastrophe.

00:17:35.940 And he's going to wear it.

00:17:37.940 It's going to be a real ugly year for the UCP to try and regain trust of the Albertans right now.

00:17:43.380 Indeed.

00:17:43.780 I don't think these kinds of voters are going to necessarily go to the NDP,

00:17:47.940 but I think, you know, it could see them bolt to one of the upstart parties on the right

00:17:53.300 or stay home if he doesn't do something very significant,

00:17:57.900 try and bring these people back within his tent.

00:17:59.900 Before we move on to Christia Freeland here, I just want to remind everybody,

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00:18:53.980 But let's, speaking of Ottawa, let's turn to Ottawa.

00:18:57.720 Christia Freeland, shadow prime minister, if you will, has said that Canadians have too much money

00:19:04.920 in their pockets and it needs to be spent to stimulate the economy.

00:19:09.400 Dave, why don't you tell us what the heck she's talking about?

00:19:13.280 It's a bit of a head scratcher.

00:19:15.420 She was doing an interview with Bloomberg and said that Canadians have managed to save a tidy sum of money

00:19:22.980 during the pandemic.

00:19:25.800 She obviously hasn't peered into my bank account, but she says there's been nothing for people to do

00:19:32.080 or spend their money on.

00:19:33.720 She says international travel is difficult and Canadians have been storing the money away.

00:19:41.060 She says what she wants is a, quote, preloaded stimulus, unquote, where Canadians start spending that money

00:19:50.700 and pull it out of their bank accounts and, you know, get the economy going again.

00:19:57.780 Everybody, of course, is worried about what she really means.

00:20:02.880 And what I think what she really means is the Trudeau government is going to try and find some sort of way

00:20:07.940 to get access to that cash.

00:20:10.780 Pierre Polyev, the Tory finance critic, urged Canadians to lock up their money.

00:20:17.920 And there's been various Internet memes of people digging holes in their backyard to hide their money in.

00:20:25.200 But it was an interesting thing for, as you said, the de facto prime minister of the country to say.

00:20:32.540 And people are worried about what she really is up to.

00:20:40.220 Corey, what do you think is the reasoning behind what she's doing here?

00:20:44.480 Does the government truly believe that Canadians have too much disposable income right now?

00:20:50.560 I mean, with things being closed, either completely closed or partially closed for so long,

00:20:57.080 I mean, there is less ability to spend your money on retail in many cases.

00:21:02.640 I mean, this year, for the first time since I was a little kid,

00:21:05.080 I went and got my Christmas tree off of Crownland in Kananaskis country.

00:21:10.240 The government, I think, pretty wisely waived the $5 fee to get your permit.

00:21:16.660 Not that it saved people much money, but it encouraged people to do it.

00:21:19.440 Out in K country, there were hundreds of cars in the middle of the winter out traipsing through the bushes.

00:21:25.260 There were probably, I said hundreds of cars, probably filled with families.

00:21:28.560 People went out.

00:21:29.740 People are spending more time outdoors doing things.

00:21:32.140 So there are some positive aspects to all this.

00:21:34.140 But people are spending less money, have less ability to spend their disposable income right now.

00:21:39.680 But people's incomes have been dramatically reduced.

00:21:42.240 And I think people are worried and rightfully putting a larger priority on savings,

00:21:47.940 something that Canadians have a very bad habit of not doing.

00:21:51.940 Where are they?

00:21:52.400 I think one of the most indebted, private sector indebted people on the planet.

00:22:00.880 Do you think, regardless of what she says about getting people to spend their money,

00:22:05.160 do you think she has a point, though, that people aren't spending enough money in the economy right now?

00:22:10.480 No.

00:22:11.780 I mean, people aren't spending it, but that's due to necessity.

00:22:14.760 Yeah, people are looking for different alternatives, you know, to get out.

00:22:20.520 And that's why it was popular for everybody to go out for the Christmas trees.

00:22:24.280 I watched that interview a couple of times.

00:22:26.360 And, you know, I had to listen because the language is really important in that and what she was doing.

00:22:31.320 You notice she also didn't just say Canadians are saving too much money.

00:22:34.260 She said, made a point of saying the well off.

00:22:37.360 Like she's playing the politics of envy.

00:22:39.620 And the other thing she did in that interview was invite people, say, how can you, ideally people will just do it on their own.

00:22:47.200 But if not, listeners, please let me know, how can we unlock that money?

00:22:53.060 I mean, this is political, frightening political gamesmanship. 0.98

00:22:57.080 I mean, if you're going to do something and then try and claim it's because it's the will of the people, this is exactly the crap you pull. 0.96

00:23:02.680 You say, look, I invited people and they said what we should do is have a tax on these well-to-do people 0.97

00:23:07.400 that are saving too much excess capital.

00:23:10.080 You know, they're realizing that they're against the wall.

00:23:12.540 They're realizing that the spending is unsustainable.

00:23:15.280 They're realizing there's nothing going on to keep this economy rolling.

00:23:18.280 And they're looking to where somebody might have some money squirreled away.

00:23:21.820 And they're starting to play those games.

00:23:23.560 If anything, it's a boom to cryptocurrencies and many other things.

00:23:27.000 People are going to be scrambling to find ways to hide their money from this government

00:23:31.080 because this is a desperate government that have spent themselves blind that are going to continue to do so.

00:23:36.520 And they're going to come after our savings.

00:23:39.640 You know, you hear that when they talk about inheritance taxes and going back into capital gains and things like that, too.

00:23:44.940 They don't want us to build up too much and they're going to punish us for it.

00:23:47.700 It was a very striking interview and distressing, to be honest.

00:23:51.840 Well, I suppose Canadian governments, federal and provincial, have a very poor record when it comes to saving themselves.

00:23:59.260 Most of the country are running deficits.

00:24:01.060 The federal government, Alberta, are running record deficits.

00:24:05.380 Record deficits doesn't even do it justice.

00:24:07.360 These are far beyond even previous record deficits, even adjusted for inflation and GDP relative to the First and Second World Wars.

00:24:15.840 We're going to take on more debt this year than it took to fight Kaiser Wilhelm and Hitler. 0.78

00:24:22.020 You know, these are staggering sums of money.

00:24:25.360 And governments like the idea of borrowing and spending and not saving for themselves.

00:24:30.900 Now it seems to be the official government policy.

00:24:33.540 This is what they want to see elsewhere.

00:24:35.000 Not that it's anything necessarily new.

00:24:38.100 They're just saying it now.

00:24:39.940 But governments have been incentivizing borrowing and spending and punishing savings for a long time by debasing the currency, by printing free money to go to major chartered banks.

00:24:54.160 This is policy across most of the Western world, not just in Canada.

00:24:57.740 Canada is just particularly bad.

00:24:59.480 But our governments are hell-bent on making sure we're not saving, but that we're borrowing and spending right now.

00:25:05.480 And the only ones who are going to like this are the banks.

00:25:10.040 Well, let's, in the spirit of more bad news at Christmas, let's bring it closer back to home to the Western Standards offices in Calgary, Alberta.

00:25:20.560 We have had the terrifying prospect of a Krampus going door-to-door in Calgary's Currie neighborhood.

00:25:29.780 Terrifying prospect.

00:25:31.820 Dave, why don't you tell us about the latest terror in Calgary and what have been the response from local residents who have been faced with a Krampus?

00:25:41.740 Yeah, certainly my favorite story of 2020 so far, Derek.

00:25:47.940 Krampus is an old German legend.

00:25:51.300 And as you can see in that picture, he's quite horrifying.

00:25:54.380 He's quite scary looking.

00:25:56.540 And what he does, it came about in Germany and Central Europe.

00:26:00.920 He and St. Nicholas go and visit the kids.

00:26:04.080 And they determine which kid has been naughty and which kid has been nice.

00:26:07.800 Krampus, when he finds a naughty kid, beats him with bags of sticks or bundles of sticks. 0.85

00:26:16.000 The really, really bad kids, they get kidnapped and taken straight to hell.

00:26:20.800 So you can imagine the poor children of Germany.

00:26:24.520 This would have put the fear of God into them.

00:26:27.140 So somebody this week in Calgary decided to put on the Krampus outfit and go knocking on some doors.

00:26:37.800 The picture we had up earlier of him knocking at the door was actually taken by a resident who was quite rightly terrified, didn't know what the hell was going on, and ended up calling the police.

00:26:50.300 So I'm sure the guy had quite the explanation for them when police arrived.

00:26:56.660 But he ran into some other kids down in the Curry neighborhood.

00:27:02.160 And he explained to their parent who he was and what he was doing.

00:27:08.460 And I'm not sure if he threatened to beat kids with a stick.

00:27:11.480 But I'll tell you what, if he showed up at my door, I may be considering, and if I didn't know who he was, I might call the police too.

00:27:21.340 Yeah, I might be one of the few parents in Calgary who intends to raise their child with Krampus as a character in his child's Christmas memories.

00:27:32.080 I think Krampus is the reason the German children are so well behaved. 0.57

00:27:35.840 If you're bad, you get beaten with a bundle of sticks. 0.99

00:27:38.700 And if you're really bad, he puts you in a bag and takes you straight to hell. 0.99

00:27:42.300 I've got a Bavarian friend who was raised on this. 0.99

00:27:46.020 And he's been beaten with the sticks.

00:27:49.000 His cousin, I think he said, was put in a bag and cried.

00:27:52.440 But since then, it's been very well behaved.

00:27:54.940 So I think we need more Krampus.

00:27:58.000 It's not just the German in me speaking.

00:28:00.340 I think we would all be well served by terrifying our children into behaving.

00:28:04.720 You need both the carrot for the reindeer and you need the stick from Krampus if you want the kids to be good or if you want your kids to be nice.

00:28:14.200 I think bringing out Krampus at Christmas may get social services called on you, though.

00:28:19.460 Well, I'll have to get a warrant.

00:28:21.780 Go ahead.

00:28:24.260 Well, I think we'll maybe we'll actually answer if there's some questions.

00:28:29.520 We've had a lot of comments today.

00:28:32.140 But we'll kind of go through some of the questions and comments before we wrap up here.

00:28:38.020 Kyle Belloman says, it's looking more and more like 1984.

00:28:45.020 He was referring, that comment was from when we were discussing the government that stole Christmas, these lockdowns.

00:28:50.740 We are seeing increasingly I think people need to be careful with the hyperbole.

00:28:58.120 These are not Nazis.

00:28:59.320 These are not fascists.

00:29:00.680 I wouldn't even call it totalitarian.

00:29:01.960 But it certainly is authoritarian.

00:29:05.080 Those terms are our subgroups of authoritarianism and particularly extreme variants of it.

00:29:12.300 I don't think they're particularly useful terms.

00:29:14.260 If we call Justin Trudeau or Jason Kenney Nazis or fascists.

00:29:18.740 I think that kind of hyperbolic language denigrates the meaning of those terms.

00:29:25.620 The left use them all the time.

00:29:27.200 For essentially anyone who disagrees with them, I think we should avoid falling into the same trap.

00:29:31.040 But we are seeing certainly a new authoritarianism.

00:29:34.820 We are seeing people very much yearning for the paternalistic strong man of the state to protect them.

00:29:41.940 In Ontario, Doug Ford has become addicted to this.

00:29:45.320 The more he clamps down on people's liberties, the higher his popularity goes.

00:29:49.620 But he is facing a backlash, particularly from his own base.

00:29:53.180 But in Ontario, there's not much people can do about that.

00:29:59.640 We're not going to get to all of our comments here.

00:30:02.500 A lot of good ones.

00:30:03.960 Some not so good ones.

00:30:05.320 But maybe I'll get you to answer this one, Corey, from Chris Cuts.

00:30:12.220 He says, wasn't it last week? 1.00

00:30:14.980 Kenny said how stupid it was to shut down businesses in spring. 0.99

00:30:17.580 And a week later, here he is to shut down again. 1.00

00:30:21.560 Corey, do you want to speak to that?

00:30:25.500 Yeah, I think with what he's talking about was particular with retail, actually,

00:30:32.240 because it was in response to somebody talking about how the big box stores had been open.

00:30:37.320 And meanwhile, while all the little stores had been shut down, you know,

00:30:40.920 so Walmart and Costco were doing fine, whereas the little ones were getting beat on.

00:30:47.160 He admitted that it was a bad choice and it was a mistake.

00:30:49.860 I think at another point, too, it's actually when I interviewed him on a different podcast,

00:30:54.780 but he did admit to making a mistake when they did that false start with reopening Calgary restaurants

00:31:01.460 and then closed, you know, days before they could open when they'd stocked up.

00:31:06.100 So I think he's recognizing that he's done a lot of damage to businesses.

00:31:10.160 But, yeah, it's true.

00:31:11.040 He was saying recently that, you know, it was poor to shut them down.

00:31:14.100 It was a mistake.

00:31:14.600 And then, well, now he's turned around and done it again.

00:31:17.460 Perhaps that's part of the incentive, though, why they're keeping 15% of the mall's, you know,

00:31:22.320 capacity open to at least not fully shut down retail.

00:31:25.540 But it's going to have a similar effect.

00:31:28.880 I don't know about you, but that's the first time I've heard Kenny ever admit he made a mistake.

00:31:34.780 And he was quite, you know, he called it a grave mistake.

00:31:37.720 He was quite sincere with his apology.

00:31:40.400 So first time I've heard him do that.

00:31:42.920 Yeah.

00:31:43.720 If Kenny's admitting to a mistake, it must be a pretty serious one.

00:31:48.160 James Kays in the same route, potentially even replying to the last comment,

00:31:54.500 says he sure did and actually tried to apologize more than once.

00:31:59.400 There's nothing genuine about him other than being another liberal follower.

00:32:03.580 I mean, this, you can make the argument one way or another about how necessary or not this is.

00:32:12.360 But Kenny does seem to be getting it from both sides here.

00:32:16.400 The left who are demanding a total and complete severe lockdown early on.

00:32:21.680 And then people who are disproportionately within the UCP voter coalition who resist this and are resisting it pretty vehemently.

00:32:31.720 It's I guess I've already asked Corey this, but I'd like your take, Dave.

00:32:36.220 How much of a political problem do you think this is for Jason Kenney in that a lot of his core followers do seem to have a sense of betrayal about this?

00:32:47.180 He's really in a no-win situation with this, I think, Derek.

00:32:50.020 Many people are questioning why, you know, why aren't we just coming out of the lockdown instead of just going into it?

00:32:58.260 That he should have done this two weeks ago, three weeks ago when the numbers started to skyrocket.

00:33:03.860 So, yeah, he's under fire in a lot of his base.

00:33:07.640 I think actually a lot of UCP supporters are thinking that, okay, this is the time to do it.

00:33:13.900 Let's get it over and let's get it done with and let's actually, you know, try and get this thing under control.

00:33:21.100 There will always be people that he won't be able to please by doing this.

00:33:25.420 And certainly whatever he does, he could find a cure for COVID and the NDP will be blasting him on a daily basis.

00:33:33.200 So, he's stuck in the middle.

00:33:35.480 There's no doubt about that.

00:33:37.180 It seems to me if you're going to have a lockdown, you should have one extremely long and severe lockdown until there are zero cases.

00:33:45.080 You have to eradicate the virus from your borders and then, like our rat patrol, keep anything out that is potentially infectious.

00:33:56.080 You know, this goes back to, you know, for whatever you think about him, Donald Trump talking about closing America's borders.

00:34:02.360 He was the first to shut it down with China that everybody says was a bigot.

00:34:05.480 People who talked about shutting down international travel early on, they were all called racist bigots.

00:34:10.540 It's every ism in the book there.

00:34:15.500 If you're going to have a lockdown, you do one extreme and long lockdown.

00:34:19.340 You get to zero cases and then you essentially lock your borders when that's done.

00:34:25.420 But simply having one lockdown and then second lockdown, I guarantee you this is not the last lockdown.

00:34:32.320 Lockdowns will only work unless you do it to eradicate, not to bend the curb.

00:34:36.480 Remember this two weeks to bend the curb thing?

00:34:38.640 Well, that lasted months.

00:34:39.840 And then we went to increasingly eased restrictions, never out of these lockdowns completely, but increasingly eased up restrictions.

00:34:48.000 And now we're back into total and complete lockdown.

00:34:50.320 There's no point of that.

00:34:51.600 You do one lock.

00:34:52.500 If you're going to do a lockdown, if you're going to take the statist control route here, you do one lockdown and you eradicate things.

00:35:00.720 I guarantee you if the government's going to probably lift this as soon as things ease up a bit, but then we're going to be back into another lockdown.

00:35:08.820 They've shown that they're going to respond to media pressure.

00:35:11.120 They're going to respond to polls and this is probably not the end of it. 0.95

00:35:16.520 We have a strange comment from Jacqueline Martin who says, bullshit, the deaths in ICU are going up. 0.96

00:35:28.740 Is this the CBC? 0.96

00:35:30.900 Perhaps, Jacqueline, you can shed more light on your comment.

00:35:34.300 I'm not sure I completely understand.

00:35:36.540 Yes, deaths in ICU numbers are going up.

00:35:41.500 But I'm not sure how us discussing a balance of this would make us the CBC.

00:35:49.940 The CBC's coverage are about, yes, deaths in ICU rates going up, but how we need to lock everything down.

00:36:00.300 I think this conversation is rather different from the CBC.

00:36:03.520 So perhaps I'm just not understanding your comment entirely.

00:36:05.820 Feel free to add to your comments.

00:36:08.880 Corey, do you have any take on that?

00:36:13.640 Well, that was back when I was mentioning that the deaths in the ICU numbers are going up.

00:36:18.740 There are some people who believe that it's not true or that it's myth or that there's misdiagnosis or overdiagnosis.

00:36:25.140 I don't know.

00:36:25.920 I mean, we could go down that rabbit hole for a long time.

00:36:29.040 Another thing I think that the Alberta government has done has been at least has been very transparent about their numbers, their hospitalizations.

00:36:36.880 Again, you know, it's a totally separate discussion of whether it's effective or not or whatever.

00:36:42.420 But the numbers coming from the government say that the deaths are going up.

00:36:46.020 You know, there's daily deaths of 18, 20 people that the ICU beds are starting to fill.

00:36:52.020 I believe those numbers.

00:36:53.680 Some people don't, I guess.

00:36:55.160 We've got an interesting statement, potentially a fact.

00:37:02.760 We haven't verified this, but Jarrett Bonnet says,

00:37:06.440 Blaine Calkins, the Red Deer MP, was in a school in Red Deer reading to kids with no mask on.

00:37:13.440 Red Deer has an indoor bylaw mask.

00:37:16.220 Why and how does he become exempt indoors after the law slash rule has been in place and people have been ticketed?

00:37:23.640 I'm not familiar with that.

00:37:26.520 It's the first I've heard of it.

00:37:29.100 Perhaps it's something for our intrepid news department to look into.

00:37:35.420 I'm not a believer in mask mandates.

00:37:38.060 I think people should voluntarily do this in indoor crowded places.

00:37:41.860 Like a school, I think that's probably an area where it warrants it.

00:37:44.820 I think government mandating masks in a lot of areas is quite bizarre, but I think people should voluntarily do it in some places.

00:37:52.200 One of those places I think people should voluntarily wear a mask would be a school.

00:37:56.780 The children are not at risk, but they certainly can be carriers.

00:37:59.600 So, Dave, perhaps this is something for us to look into this afternoon.

00:38:03.660 But, Jarrett?

00:38:04.660 I'm not sure what the mask rules are in Red Deer.

00:38:08.580 Certainly in the Calgary school systems, masks are not required for kids.

00:38:13.940 So, I don't know if that's the same in Red Deer or not.

00:38:17.260 But in Calgary, it's not a requirement.

00:38:20.740 Yeah.

00:38:21.660 This is something we're going to just have to potentially look into.

00:38:25.300 So, we can't really say much, Jarrett, until we've confirmed it.

00:38:27.600 But thanks for bringing it to our attention.

00:38:29.460 And for anyone, if anyone has news tips, yeah, feel free to email it to us, news at westernstandardonline.com.

00:38:37.020 You can put it in the comments.

00:38:38.480 We try to check them.

00:38:39.380 But if you want to make sure it gets to our news side, just send it to Dave at news at westernstandardonline.com.

00:38:46.300 Okay.

00:38:46.600 Well, we've got a lot of – well, actually, we'll finish up a little bit here.

00:38:53.260 I can never pronounce this last thing.

00:38:55.280 And Clinton, let us know in the comments if I'm massacring that or not.

00:39:05.220 There's a good chance I am.

00:39:06.740 Clinton says, how many of the anti-maskers don't believe the virus actually exists?

00:39:11.580 He follows up, what about mandatory vaccinations in order to travel on airplanes across the border?

00:39:17.620 So, kind of two different things.

00:39:19.020 One is kind of the anti-mask thing.

00:39:20.980 Dave and Corey, both of you have covered some of the Freedom Walk demonstrations in downtown Calgary.

00:39:29.560 There have been similar demonstrations elsewhere in Alberta, across the west, and even in parts of Ontario, particularly where apparently barbecue is illegal.

00:39:39.500 Although, I guess now barbecue is illegal in Alberta as well.

00:39:41.780 So, I think there is a difference between – well, first of all, there are different kinds of anti-maskers.

00:39:48.620 There are people who believe that you shouldn't wear a mask, and there are people who believe that the government shouldn't mandate you wear a mask.

00:39:56.340 And I think there's a big distinction between them.

00:39:58.860 I think responsible people should voluntarily wear a mask in certain circumstances, in crowded places.

00:40:04.860 If you're, you know, if you're on a train, if you're on an LRT, you should probably wear a mask.

00:40:10.980 I think that's good courtesy, and that's responsible citizenship.

00:40:14.940 And that's a public place.

00:40:16.620 I think a mask mandate in a place like an LRT probably makes sense.

00:40:21.580 I don't think the government has any right to mandate masks on private property.

00:40:25.280 I don't think the government has the right to mandate much of anything on private property.

00:40:28.280 I think – but there's a difference between that kind of anti-masker, if you will, where you probably put me as an anti-compulsory mask on private property, and then anti-maskers who believe that they're outright bad.

00:40:41.100 And there are reasonable people who fall into both categories.

00:40:44.360 And there are reasonable people who believe that they should be mandatory.

00:40:47.920 I disagree with those people, but there are reasonable ones, and there are extreme ones.

00:40:51.400 Corey and I were – Corey and I went together to the anti-restriction rally in Calgary on Saturday at the Olympic Plaza.

00:41:02.020 There are about 500 people there, none of them wearing a mask.

00:41:05.780 I was, I think, the only one in the square block area that was wearing on.

00:41:11.020 And there was a large percentage of those people that just think this is all a hoax.

00:41:14.660 They were carrying signs saying, you know, the pandemic is not real, the pandemic is a hoax, and it's a creation of the media.

00:41:27.480 I wouldn't say it's a huge percentage of the population, but it's a good percentage of those people that were down on the municipal plaza this weekend.

00:41:38.780 Corey, before we go on to Clint's second question, let's just deal with kind of the anti-mask thing.

00:41:44.880 And I think there's a lot more nuance to it than most of the media are saying.

00:41:49.260 I think we're trying to give a bit more nuance to it here that there are very different kinds of anti-maskers, just as there are different kinds of pro-maskers.

00:41:59.860 But you were down at the rally.

00:42:01.800 I think, you know, you spoke about it on previous Pipeline broadcasts.

00:42:04.780 What's your take in terms of the anti-maskers or people believing that the virus actually doesn't exist?

00:42:12.000 Yeah, well, I mean, what we've got is a lot of stressed people and a lot of mistrust of government and people who have areas of concern in general.

00:42:20.500 I think that the downtown rally just turned into a place where they could all get together at the same time and vent.

00:42:27.000 Some are similar to us, I guess, in that, you know, I'm not fully against masks, but I just don't want the government legislating it.

00:42:32.100 Or another thing, and, you know, I stirred up the social media hordes last Sunday and Monday on that, is that I was disappointed with when I went to the rally.

00:42:41.300 And their second speaker started down the rabbit hole of vaccines causing autism and all that, you know, conspiracy crap. 0.97

00:42:48.600 And I'm sorry, I'm calling it conspiracy crap. 0.96

00:42:50.340 The autism thing, it's long been disproven. 0.93

00:42:53.880 But this is what we're getting there.

00:42:56.620 And, you know, we've got people saying it's a hoax, it's planned.

00:42:58.600 And, okay, well, whatever, some people are going to believe that, but the majority don't.

00:43:02.460 And that's why there's only 500 people on a Sunday, Saturday at one of these rallies.

00:43:08.300 There's legitimate concerns out there.

00:43:09.940 There's people are concerned about a rushed vaccine.

00:43:11.980 There's people are concerned about possible effects from wearing a mask or things when you're doing workouts.

00:43:16.360 But when it's the less rational folks at the front of the parade yelling, you're not going to draw your middle of the road people into these things.

00:43:25.900 And right now, those protests are dominated by people, I guess, who are just kind of on a farther outreach, you could say.

00:43:34.480 Yeah.

00:43:34.880 Well, this is kind of a good segue.

00:43:36.720 We're going to come back to Clinton's second question because I think it's important. 1.00

00:43:39.300 You know, Katie Swan says, the virus is shit, the masks are shit. 1.00

00:43:47.320 Then Mary Arsenault says, I'm out. 1.00

00:43:49.960 You guys actually believe the lies.

00:43:53.280 Look, Mary, you're free to watch or not to watch.

00:43:58.580 I think we give a lot.

00:44:00.060 I think we give radically more balance than the overwhelming majority of the mainstream media do.

00:44:05.020 Some of you, you know, Kate Swan says this is all a hoax.

00:44:12.300 No, it's not a hoax to get every single government on the planet and the overwhelming majority of subnational governments like states and provinces all to believe this is to get it on a hoax together is you're giving government far too much credit to be competent.

00:44:28.040 That's one reason I don't believe 9-11 was an inside job.

00:44:31.040 Government is far too incompetent to pull something like that off and keep thousands and thousands of people singing from the same songbook.

00:44:39.380 Look right here in Alberta at a caucus.

00:44:42.280 It's hard to keep, you know, 50 MLAs in a caucus saying the exact same thing.

00:44:47.540 And they try extremely hard and have a lot of penalties if you don't.

00:44:50.820 Imagine doing that with thousands of people who disagree vehemently.

00:44:55.060 Donald Trump, a nationalist, you know, a nationalist populist doesn't believe it's a hoax and neither does China, a communist dictatorship.

00:45:05.940 I don't see what kind of common cause they could have.

00:45:08.580 Now, there is a very good argument that there's been a lot of misinformation from governments and from super national organizations like the World Health Organization. 0.62

00:45:21.560 There is a there is a lot of bullshit that's come from governments and they put out a lot of bad information is often put out false information.

00:45:28.900 You know, there's been wild censorship on social media from anyone dissenting from the official line. 0.98

00:45:34.560 You know, if you're if your take on things don't comply with the WHO, you get taken off of social media.

00:45:41.180 There is a lot to be skeptical of, but that does not make this a hoax.

00:45:44.700 There are people dying.

00:45:46.620 Shauna Lane, the digital editor of the Western Standard.

00:45:50.280 I shouldn't disclose this, but.

00:45:53.200 I guess I just did.

00:45:54.800 But, you know, we have I know people with coronavirus.

00:45:58.000 There are people at the Western Standard, not in our offices, but I know people who have been infected.

00:46:03.740 Dave and Corey know people who have been infected.

00:46:06.000 This is real.

00:46:07.780 These people are not in on a one world government conspiracy hoax here.

00:46:13.580 This is a real thing.

00:46:15.120 The severity of it and the responses to it.

00:46:18.940 We can very much question those.

00:46:20.940 We there is.

00:46:22.180 And feel free to question everything.

00:46:23.640 Everything should be questioned.

00:46:24.920 But this is not a hoax.

00:46:25.900 It is a real thing.

00:46:27.220 It is dangerous.

00:46:28.920 But government responses to it and government information about it are highly suspect and have been discredited in many, many cases.

00:46:36.380 And we're going to call that out when we see it.

00:46:38.880 But, you know, at the Western Standard, we try to deal in the facts.

00:46:42.620 We try to deal with evidence and proof.

00:46:45.460 And the evidence is clearly there.

00:46:47.580 This is not a hoax.

00:46:48.440 This is a real thing.

00:46:49.340 The question is, how do we respond to it and how closely can we trust what the government is telling us?

00:46:56.620 And rant.

00:46:57.620 And rant.

00:46:59.380 But I want to go to Clint's second question because it's such an important one.

00:47:09.860 And this follows very much in, I think, with what we've been talking about and what I just said.

00:47:14.180 He said, what about mandatory vaccinations in order to travel on airplanes across the border?

00:47:18.800 Very important, very topical question.

00:47:20.880 And we're seeing stuff on this in Ontario where Premier Ford is now contemplating vaccine passports.

00:47:35.340 Now, my view on this might be controversial with some people.

00:47:39.080 I believe in vaccines.

00:47:40.260 They work most of the time.

00:47:42.140 But like anything medical, anything man-made, they can go wrong.

00:47:46.420 There have been bad vaccines in the past.

00:47:48.920 There are some bad laws around liability for pharmaceutical companies that have produced vaccines with adverse effects.

00:47:56.300 There are issues.

00:47:57.880 I'm just going to put a blanket asterisk out there.

00:48:00.400 There are issues with vaccines.

00:48:02.200 But they are overwhelmingly a positive force for human health.

00:48:06.840 They have eliminated things like polio.

00:48:08.620 They have eliminated things like malaria.

00:48:12.280 Things that used to kill millions of people every year are virtually extinct across the planet because of vaccines.

00:48:18.000 Now, new vaccines should be taken with a bit more of a grain of salt.

00:48:21.840 They have not been tested sufficiently.

00:48:25.600 But, you know, Corey's said before in his columns that a vaccine is going to be our only way out of this.

00:48:32.440 We're going to continue in more bloody lockdowns with high suicide rates, people losing their homes,

00:48:37.640 people losing their businesses, people feeling socially isolated, not living like human beings were intended to live until we can end this.

00:48:45.040 And the vaccine is the best way to do it.

00:48:46.640 That said, there's a big difference between supporting vaccines and supporting mandatory vaccines.

00:48:53.480 And we are seeing a lot of people and a lot of governments supporting some form of mandatory vaccines.

00:48:59.960 And all of these people who, you know, will put a bra on their head and march in a parade saying,

00:49:05.400 my body, my choice to resist a government ban on a medical procedure.

00:49:12.480 A lot of these very same people are calling for the government to mandate a procedure with people's bodies.

00:49:18.500 And that is a terrifying prospect.

00:49:21.860 If you if you are pro-choice of any kind, you cannot be pro-mandatory vaccination.

00:49:28.840 And that goes for, you know, I think it would be unconstitutional for the government to arrest you,

00:49:34.800 pin you down, strap you to strap you to a bed and administer a vaccine.

00:49:38.800 That is probably not going to be seen here.

00:49:40.860 But what you could see is governments making it illegal for you to live your life as a human social creature unless you have a vaccine,

00:49:48.740 this idea of a vaccine passport.

00:49:50.740 And that is effectively making it mandatory, saying, you know, we're not going to we're not going to tranquilize you and administer the vaccine.

00:49:57.880 But you can't live as a human being unless you have it.

00:50:00.380 That is a terrifying prospect and should be resisted with everything people have.

00:50:05.280 Again, between the government doing that and the private sector doing that, I controversially believe in the right of businesses to discriminate.

00:50:14.720 I don't think they should in most cases.

00:50:16.780 But, you know, you can have dress codes.

00:50:19.060 Businesses have a I don't think governments have a right to mandate masks.

00:50:22.100 But I think businesses do if they feel that that is necessary.

00:50:25.560 And if a business wants to require a vaccine, I think that's their choice.

00:50:29.280 But there's a big difference between a business requiring it because it's private property and the government requiring it.

00:50:34.660 But Dave, I'll put this to you.

00:50:37.120 Premier Kenney has said repeatedly that it's not going to be mandatory in Alberta.

00:50:43.200 But I think the issue of a pandemic passport or a vaccine passport is clearly on the table.

00:50:51.880 They just started vaccinating people in Great Britain this week, the first country in the world to do it.

00:50:59.900 Ironically, one of the first people to get the vaccine was called William Shakespeare.

00:51:07.640 But they are also talking about having to take the shot in order to get into things like soccer games.

00:51:17.580 Ticketmaster in the States has said that you're going to have to prove you got the vaccine in order to get tickets to their events.

00:51:26.900 So it's definitely on the table.

00:51:29.180 As you mentioned, Ontario is now talking about it in some way, shape or form.

00:51:34.060 So I don't think it's ever going to become mandatory to have it.

00:51:38.500 But as you say, life could be difficult without it, depending on what you know, if you want to travel.

00:51:45.740 I think airlines will probably bring it in.

00:51:47.480 But it could affect the way you live your life without getting the shot.

00:51:55.060 Corey, we're going to give the last word to you before we wrap it up.

00:52:00.640 Just that they're bizarre times.

00:52:02.160 You know, I do appreciate the people rationally and closely watching things because our individual rights are being infringed on.

00:52:09.940 There are authoritarians who are eager to jump in and take advantage of the pandemic to whittle away at our individual rights.

00:52:17.320 And we've got to watch out for that.

00:52:18.840 But I tell you, if you're going to scream from a crazed conspiracy theorist's point of view on it, you're not changing the hearts and minds of the majority, which is what you're going to need to do.

00:52:26.300 Very good.

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Western Standard - December 09, 2020

The Pipeline December 9, 2020. Lockdowns, Freeland eyeing your savings & Krampus are discussed

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