00:06:36.220Well, maybe he actually has decided that his leadership is so weak.
00:06:40.700And this is the point that you were coming to here with the discussion we had this morning.
00:06:44.980his position is so weak that he's actually got a better chance of staying on as prime minister
00:06:53.740if he goes to an election he may not win but he might whereas if he does nothing they'll have him
00:07:03.880out of there before easter the support within the liberal party for mr trudeau right now
00:07:09.380very, very low. And I think that he's vulnerable to a coup. This possible election is his easiest
00:07:18.320and best chance of staying on for a little longer. Well, I think the person who has the most to lose
00:07:23.220if the deal falls apart is actually Jagmeet Singh, because he's in the driver's seat right now.
00:07:31.500He's got a lot of influence within the Liberal government, and as long as he props it out,
00:07:36.340then he gets to be the de facto deputy prime minister if he lets it slide and the liberals
00:07:42.440lose i don't agree with you i mean they've taken him for granted for two years doesn't matter what
00:07:47.240he wants he wanted this he didn't get it now if it doesn't suit mr trudeau to be brought down on
00:07:54.340any given day in january or february they may actually have to listen to what jagmeet singh
00:08:00.260wants he's in a better position now than he's been for quite a while because he's not bound
00:08:05.120up until now he's been banned. The silence has been deafening though. I mean, perhaps he's been
00:08:10.160complicit. I mean, he knew this bill isn't forthcoming. Why didn't he speak up a month ago,
00:08:14.740two months ago when he would draft it or even draft a private member's bill from the NDP and
00:08:19.160say, here, and if you guys don't support it, then our deal is off. I don't know about him being
00:08:25.280screwed so much as just being over a barrel. That could be. The other thought that struck me
00:08:30.860Kind of on the other hand, is that if an election were held today, then there's a pretty good chance that he would become leader of the opposition.
00:09:39.520I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is an election within the next six months that the Liberals grab Pharmacare and make that one of their key planks. They've done it before.
00:09:49.860Well, that would be quite an irony that, you know, you break your deal, you go to the polls because you didn't table a Pharmacare bill. And then when you're at the polls, you put out as a campaign promise, Pharmacare bill.
00:10:03.280I don't know. They've done that before.
00:10:31.860And, you know, being a kingmaker, in a sense, in a minority government, I don't think, to be honest, that's my opinion, is the interests of it.
00:10:42.420He's not the ideological NDP type that others put him out to be.
00:16:13.120The Wildrose Party ones, we'd pass the cowboy hat.
00:16:17.260But I mean, it was a big, but that's part of when you're up and coming too.
00:16:20.320That's part of when you're in opposition.
00:16:21.500Once you get in power, it's not even as if you have to solicit the big donors.
00:16:24.880They're going to knock on your door and they're going to say, you know, we'd really like to buy a little love.
00:16:29.640Maybe they might not put it that way, but we know you don't donate to a party unless you're expecting some degree of policy to reflect your values.
00:16:36.000So all of this is to the point that the NDP supporters, the true believers down there, are going to be wanting more from Mr. Singh than this.
00:16:44.540Exactly. That's kind of what I was saying.
00:16:46.360They've got to be getting a little tired of it, too.
00:16:48.200I mean, at one point, they'd rather die on a hill of principle, I think, than sell their soul to try and get a little more power in the automobile.
00:18:36.020Well, she said, no, I want the courts to understand, I want the courts to understand what we're about here.
00:18:41.840When this comes before the courts, this is the reasoning that we're going to give.
00:18:45.720And I said, like, what are you trying to do, draw attention to it?
00:18:47.780She goes, yeah, you know, unabashed about it.
00:18:50.640Part of the point from that reporter, which I think was kind of valid, he asked, what is this empowering you to do that you didn't already have?
00:18:56.800the ability to do. And I'm not seeing anything. I mean, I'm seeing that it can be a useful
00:19:02.060act. I'm not dismissing the whole thing, but nothing new really is coming up. It's just
00:19:05.620kind of perhaps packing it together into a bill that can help take things to the federal
00:19:11.240government, to the courts in one package rather than a few different efforts.
00:19:15.580Well, I think the idea is to get the federal government to go to the court and they've
00:19:20.100already said that they're not going to do it. So they're just going to ignore it. So
00:19:23.300I don't know what that means. I don't know if they're going to try and claim that it's against the law to resist these regulations, which haven't really come into effect yet, and weren't really supposed to come into effect until next spring sometime, and they're still negotiating, and you've got these ongoing negotiations, and now you've got this COP28, something happening in Dubai, where there's going to be a big head-to-head.
00:19:50.600It's not just the vote that's going, it's Francelot-Philippe-Champagne is going,
00:19:56.880and his whole liberal delegation, and there's going to be a lot of face-to-face meetings.
00:20:03.200And Premier Smith has been making announcements like every day this week, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.
00:20:07.960She's actually had a hell of a communication strategy, much, much better than the Ottawa communication strategy.
00:20:14.740I mean, all you get is a sort of sour, dour face saying, you know, we're going to insist on our electricity regulations.
00:20:24.420You're probably better able to reel off the announcements than I am because it's your beat.
00:23:37.840But he said he was surprised that she's done so fast.
00:23:40.660Yeah, but remember what she was like on the radio?
00:23:42.940Remember what she was like on the Herald editorial board?
00:23:46.720She had a grasp of detail and then being able to give it back to you in a form that you
00:23:51.420could receive it that just left hostile interviews kind of flat-footed and wishing they hadn't come
00:23:57.580and she was also polite about it. Oh yeah she maintains composure that's something she's always
00:24:02.880a little different than say Polly Evan that says Polly maintains composure but he'll
00:24:06.140kind of start slapping back. Premier Smith in between bites she'll just stick to her messaging
00:24:12.580though and just shake off because she's got a very harsh establishment pushing back on her and1.00
00:24:19.780controlling the message. For example, you know, Notley and Deborah Yedlin were hand in hand saying
00:24:24.980that Daniel Smith is going to drive investment out of Alberta. Well, our population's increasing,
00:24:29.900we have the highest GDP growth in the country, and now she's just announced any $20 billion
00:24:34.060project that's going to fire up. They sort of look deflated after that, but we can't get credit for
00:24:39.880anything either. I see when they announced the carbon capture project, the first thing the CBC
00:24:44.280put out, as I torture myself in reading their headlines, they found a handful of people who
00:24:48.820opposed to carbon capture and feel it might damage the environment so no matter what alberta does
00:24:53.060the state broadcaster is going to say we're bad um it's time to stop pandering well and she's
00:24:59.140managed to stay on message i mean they you know the knock on premier smith used to be the you know
00:25:04.980the moonwalk you know when she was gonna go kind of stray off topic when she starts yeah or she0.98
00:25:10.340would even use the term blue sky she gets very granular yeah but you know she's managed to keep
00:25:15.060it tight and focused and straight to the point well she's reined that in she's transformed from0.94
00:25:20.500the talk show host to a premier and you know she she stepped in it a few times when when treating
00:25:26.500i think you know in her early part of her leadership treating as if she was still talk
00:25:29.860show host well i can speculate or i can talk about or i can put out hypotheticals no you
00:25:34.180can't do that anymore people are watching your every word and interpreting it and you don't see
00:25:39.380that anymore i i compared that period of her leadership to somebody who has only ever driven
00:25:44.420automatic now having to learn to drive a standard but the point is she's got the
00:25:48.500hang of it oh yeah she's certainly bright enough to talk about somebody who's been
00:25:52.160able to transform herself yes from you know media member to short-term school
00:25:59.360board member to opposition leader to catastrophic bad choice as an
00:26:05.200opposition leader to radio host to premier I mean it's there's gonna be a
00:26:09.620profound biography written I hope I live long enough to see it you know to
00:26:13.460document her path. And she's still young. You'd be right again. Maybe. Daniel and I are both 52.
00:26:21.160We're in that class of 71. So is Trudeau for that matter. Something strange happened that year,
00:26:25.460I guess. And she's managed to grow into the role as well. She'll change. That's something
00:26:31.540different than a lot of people. Coming back to your point about why she was asked, yes,
00:26:37.460why did you need to make this announcement when you could do everything you've talked about?
00:26:43.460But I think that was part of the communication strategy, which was to say this, the line has always been there, but this, you know, people walk across it and the sand gets kicked around. Nobody really knows where it is. Well, here it is today. This is what we're going to do. And we are going to indemnify the people who run the generating stations so that the federal government cannot come after them.
00:27:09.200And somebody said to her, what do you mean by that exactly?
00:27:12.880Well, I gather, and I didn't know this until this week,
00:27:16.700but the chief of public health in Alberta,
00:27:21.120probably every other government, is actually indemnified.
00:27:38.620Well, now she's putting the people, the executives and possibly the board members of the generating companies, it depends how far this goes, they will not be prosecuted if they are generating power and the conditions of the clean energy regulations are not met.
00:27:56.680Well, I think that's one of the reasons for wanting to set up a Crown power company
00:28:02.700so that the people that are on that board, presumably including her,
00:28:08.200if she's the president and CEO, are identified because...
00:28:11.740Well, that's part of it, but they also want the Crown Corporation to provide backup power0.97
00:28:17.280if all the rest of the guys can't meet it.
00:28:20.220Well, because they're scared of being prosecuted.
00:28:22.640If she said we want to be a generator of last resort, she said it once, she said it 12 times in that press conference, that they will only set that organization up if they feel that the imbalance between interruptible sources, solar and wind, and natural gas generation is so badly off that they can't guarantee.
00:28:49.020they'll keep the the lights on and the heat on and under the worst conditions
00:28:54.220and that could be that could also be summer air conditioning as well as winter
00:28:58.540so you know if it looks as if things are not well catered to then they have given themselves that
00:29:05.580that that position they can put a plant together and i think these things can be done relatively
00:29:13.340relatively quickly because at least we know what we're doing yeah i think it's also a compromise
00:29:18.860on the moratorium on the renewables because our big sticking point on, you know, most of this
00:29:26.300renewable stuff there, you know, the private deals on private land and, you know, they have to have
00:29:31.160ties to get it to the crater. And so she said, you can't have all this renewable energy come on
00:29:36.500without the base load backup. So I think by in essence saying, well, we will provide the base
00:29:41.700load backup to allow these things to go forward. That might be a way out of that as well.
00:29:46.700i still sweat a little when i hear any talk of more crown corporations of any government getting
00:29:51.420into the business of being in business i've been in alberta a long time where we spent a lot of
00:29:54.620time getting out of that i mean premier smith has a you know a tattoo of a libertarian symbol on her
00:29:59.500arm uh you know we're of like mind on a lot of things uh and to hear her speak of i mean boy
00:30:05.740that better be a really true last last last resort i mean it took us 10 years to get out of liquor
00:30:11.660stores for crying out loud uh yeah but you know you live down in prittis you could be the guy
00:30:17.500that she's trying to keep alive okay you know when the power goes and the lights start to flicker
00:30:23.820and honestly we'll be safer the generator the wood stove the hunting ability in the game in the
00:30:29.580backyard it's the person in the apartment building in calgary who's got a sweat and it's a real
00:30:34.220concern though we start getting blackouts uh during 35 degree weather in summer uh people with
00:30:40.380health conditions without air conditioning can end up actually in a very dangerous circumstance or
00:30:44.620if we hit a blackout and it's minus 35 which is again very conceivable in alberta
00:30:49.260the same thing some people are at some very terrible risk uh you know when there was some
00:30:54.060of that discussion where she said it's a life and death thing it really is literally so i mean our
00:30:57.580power is important to us yeah i don't think a lot of people realize just how close we have come on
00:31:02.540number number of occasions to i mean normally when when things get tight they have the ability to buy
00:31:08.220in from bc but if that ability is not you know if bc can't sell when you really want it and when you
00:31:14.860really want it is going to be when they really want it too then we've got a problem well here's
00:31:19.500a story out of europe yesterday that kind of ties into this germany was always held up as the king
00:31:23.980of the renewable countries they invested so much in solar and wind and every other renewable you
00:31:30.220could think of you know and it bit him in the butt badly and still is they have just now their
00:31:36.940Their residential grid operators will be empowered to restrict the flow of power to heat pumps and electric vehicle chargers in 2024 because they're draining the grid too much.
00:31:46.240They don't have the capacity to power these things.
00:31:49.640These are the two things in Canada they're saying we must have, and Germany can't keep up.
00:31:55.940They're saying depower those things because we've got higher priority things we have to maintain right now.
00:32:02.080We just seem to refuse to learn the lesson from the people who walked before us, well, at least outside of Alberta.
00:32:27.280Alberta's short of power, yet you went and put a moratorium on all these new projects.
00:32:30.440Well, yes, but these are crap projects.0.60
00:32:33.200This is what Germany already did, and it failed.
00:32:35.580It led to energy instability, insecurity, expensive and problematic.
00:32:41.200We need, you know, realistic generation ability, not just this kind of thing.
00:32:45.740If you're worried that you're not going to have power because the wind doesn't blow,
00:32:50.620you're not actually, there's not more windows that you need, is it?
00:32:54.520Well, and I'm not sure if it was Premier Smith meeting.
00:32:59.740It was one of these factoids that come out and stick out.
00:33:02.460And it was the other day when the wind stopped blowing and it was dark at night, you know, the whole renewable fleet in Alberta here was providing like less than half a percent of the total power output of the province, you know, because the wind stopped on that colder night a couple of weeks back.
00:33:20.460The sun's not shining, so we're back to gas.
00:33:22.780And again, we don't have a St. Lawrence River.
00:33:24.980We don't have, you know, these easy ability to add renewable or emissions-free types of power sources.
00:33:32.760We have natural gas, and we have a lot of it.
00:33:35.360We'd be fools not to burn it for our needs, and that's what we're doing.
00:33:40.260And so, I said, Premier Smith knows this.
00:40:55.920Yeah, your job might seem a little better when you get over there.
00:40:58.880Jeebers, Cory, I think you're just mad that you didn't get to go.
00:41:03.940If I got someone paying my bills to go live in opulence for two weeks, I'm going to do it.
00:41:09.260I'm not going to be a hypocrite about it.
00:41:10.740I would look out the window and say, look at this magnificence of utilizing the fruits of the earth to keep me cool when it's 40 degrees out.
00:41:19.760I do believe it's the largest one of its kind in the world.
00:41:23.000Well, they turned down my immediate accreditation.
00:41:26.720I don't think Derek's been sponsoring us to go so far, but I won't turn it away.
00:41:33.720But the other part, and I asked about, too, how are they really getting much accomplished when you've got 70,000 people there?
00:41:39.560I mean, there's gonna be some of the high level
00:41:41.260dignitaries will have private meetings and cuts and deals.
00:41:43.940Ironically, as you said, probably oil companies
00:41:46.640and things such as that, but are they really gonna come up
00:41:48.580with decent environmental policies or any significance
00:41:51.560that they couldn't have done outside of this yet?
00:41:54.560Well, apparently a couple of the issues are
00:44:08.180Yeah, I had contracts in Texas-Mexico border in July in the past.
00:44:12.060It's a special sort of heat when you get it, if you haven't experienced it.
00:44:17.220But again, I mean, there, I imagine it's sort of like when I used to get my Arctic contracts, too.
00:44:21.120Yeah, it's awfully cold out there, but you're getting off of the plane, into your truck, into your truck, into the camp, into the camp, into your Nodwell.
00:44:28.680You're rarely exposed to the elements for too long.
00:44:31.060and it's also late november yeah and here nodwell does it do we still have nodwells i don't know
00:44:38.180they did the last time i was in the arctic but it's been a while i was gonna say that's a few
00:44:41.220years ago and that's it yeah that's what we're just a calgary boy wasn't he i not well those
00:44:47.540things i think they were they're their foremost uh industries that produces them and i think it
00:44:52.580might be from out here initially i thought it was anyway but again i mean specialized uh
00:44:57.540adaptive tools from oil and gas to get more oil and gas and we see them in use in dubai as they
00:45:02.900all gather and tell us why we're supposed to stop using oil and gas so i'm just waiting for the
00:45:08.740camel shot the camels yes oh i'm just of the tourism well uh danielle smith on camel this
00:45:18.020is going to be a oh this close to another starfish there i kept that back i didn't say anything i'm
00:45:25.860not going to in fact we're pretty much at the end of the show so before i get us in serious trouble
00:45:32.020i think i will wrap it up so thank you very much nigel and sean and uh everybody else for tuning
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