Western Standard - The Pipeline： Fallout from the Municipal Election & Referendum

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00:02:30.000 Good day. Today is October 20th, 2021. I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard, and you're watching The Pipeline.

00:02:55.380 I'm joined today by Western Standard News Editor Dave Naylor, who's always in a good mood.

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00:03:08.660 Good day.

00:03:09.660 Well, we've got a very interesting show today.

00:03:14.100 Largely, we're going to be focusing very much on the fallout of elections and referendums across Alberta Monday evening.

00:03:23.460 We're going to be going through the Edmonton and Calgary municipal elections and the involvement of some significant union money there.

00:03:34.160 Also, the ongoing scandal around Calgary City Councillor re-elected Sean Chu.

00:03:39.800 What has happened, what do we know, and what do we expect?

00:03:43.140 We're going to talk about the as yet unofficial results of the equalization referendum, the results at least that we have in so far.

00:03:50.880 And we're going to talk about also the unofficial and incomplete results so far of the Senate election.

00:03:57.700 I think we have a pretty good idea of how that's likely shaking up.

00:04:00.620 But we're going to give you an idea of what we know and our projections and go through it.

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00:05:46.600 around here. Let's get started with municipal elections. We're going to begin with Edmonton.

00:05:55.000 Dave, why don't you tell our viewers, I'm sure they already know the results, but we're going

00:05:58.200 to kind of break it down. How did the Edmonton mayoral race go in that city? Well, Derek,

00:06:04.760 it turned out it really wasn't much of a race. Edmonton's new mayor-elect is Mayor Soey, a former

00:06:11.960 Liberal cabinet minister who was defeated in the second to last federal election. He then turned

00:06:19.800 his attention to civic politics. Coming in second was Mike Nichol, a bit of a ways back.

00:06:27.640 So once he's sworn in, Edmonton Mayor Soey. And interestingly, Calgary's

00:06:33.960 Calgary and Edmonton both have a mayor of color now with Jody Gondek's election in Calgary.

00:06:40.920 I don't know if he's going to be happier as mayor as a cabinet minister.

00:06:45.720 A cabinet minister seems to have more prestige, but mayors actually have some power.

00:06:48.520 Most cabinet ministers actually have remarkably little power in this country.

00:06:51.560 It really just is the prime minister's office and maybe a select one or two others in the cabinet.

00:06:55.880 But he succeeds, Emergeet Sohee succeeds Don Iveson as mayor. Both of them are on the left

00:07:04.760 side of the spectrum. What do you think, if anything, is going to change in how Edmonton

00:07:11.200 is governed? I don't think it's going to change much at all. You know, as you said, Iveson has

00:07:17.120 a very similar mindset to Sohee. I mean, there's going to be some superficial changes. It sounds

00:07:21.640 like their council change was pretty similar, more of the same. You're going to see another

00:07:27.720 left council governance in Alberta. It's just different faces and the same policies.

00:07:32.760 Edmonton did elect a total of eight women. 1.00

00:07:36.600 Three.

00:07:37.160 Yeah, so that's completely shifted the balance of gender on their city council anyway. So he's an 1.00

00:07:43.720 interesting guy. He immigrated from India, became a taxi driver, then went back to India and was

00:07:51.160 thrown in jail on what sounds like trumped up terrorism charges. So he did a couple of years,

00:07:57.480 including solitary confinement, before he was finally released and came back and started a

00:08:03.960 career in politics. Interestingly, I don't want to jump too much into Calgary here,

00:08:08.920 but both Calgary and Edmonton have lost their unofficial leaders of the opposition. Both the

00:08:14.360 leader of the opposition, unofficial leaders of the opposition in Calgary. So Edmonton, you had

00:08:19.080 Mike Nichol. He went to run for mayor, was not successful. And it's not like federal politics

00:08:24.540 where, well, the runner-up is still, well, the leader of the opposition in the House of Commons

00:08:28.400 or in the legislature, and you still have a job and you can hold the government to account. It

00:08:32.600 doesn't work that way. You're mayor or you're nothing. And we lost that in Calgary too, where

00:08:37.640 Jeremy Farkas ran for mayor, didn't come in. So in both cases, they lost the leader of the

00:08:43.260 official opposition. In Edmonton, they also lost John Zadek, another fairly outspoken member of the

00:08:48.280 Council on the more conservative side. He failed in his bid for re-election, although I'm not

00:08:54.980 positive, but I'm told the candidate who replaced him is just probably a more moderate conservative

00:09:01.400 than himself. So, yeah, it was a tough night for conservatives across Alberta, but definitely

00:09:09.060 in Edmonton where Sohee is going to take the mayor's chair and the conservative

00:09:14.760 kind of action on that council is much diminished. But let's talk about Calgary. I'm a bit biased,

00:09:21.080 but I think Calgary is perhaps a bit more interesting. We expected a much closer mayor's

00:09:25.400 race than we got. The polls had Jeremy Farkas leading, and not just Main Street, which we used,

00:09:30.540 but all of them had Farkas leading going in until probably the last week or two. Then it showed it 0.55

00:09:37.700 pretty much in a statistical tie, sometimes with Gondek ahead by one, maximum two points.

00:09:42.520 but on election night not so. Wasn't even close. The expected fight just didn't develop.

00:09:50.880 And then she, or the Farkas campaign, excuse me, kind of fell to bits in the late running.

00:09:57.220 He actually went to Jeff Davison and pleaded with him to basically withdraw and throw his

00:10:04.900 support behind, you know, sort of anything to stop Gondek, but it just didn't work.

00:10:10.380 Obviously, a good chunk of those 140,000 advance polls were obviously for her and not for Farkas. 0.98

00:10:18.480 And yeah, as you say, Farkas is gone from Council, so there will be no fiscal hawk.

00:10:25.560 There's probably about five candidates, or five or four, that say they're conservative-leaning.

00:10:34.860 Well, if we're talking about ones who say they're conservative, there will be five with Peter DeMong.

00:10:38.100 but Peter DeMong is seldom seen working with the conservative bloc if it's a contentious issue.

00:10:44.740 He's taking the Dale Hodges Ray Jones method. He's understanding. You keep your head down,

00:10:50.100 you can stay there for 30 years, and he will. Yeah, I mean, he was reelected with roughly 68%.

00:10:55.860 He was the only non-union endorsed candidate in any ward. He was the only ward in the entire city

00:11:07.300 where the unions didn't even endorse a candidate because they know there's not even a sense in

00:11:10.900 going against them. He's just going to get there, no matter what.

00:11:15.620 He had the name recognition, which is key in municipal politics. So Calgary continues with

00:11:22.180 a left-leaning council. So the next question is, how does Gondek govern? She said the first thing

00:11:29.220 she's going to do is declare a climate emergency. And then she's dealing with child care. So it's 1.00

00:11:34.900 It's great that the new mayor is dealing with federal and provincial issues.

00:11:40.060 Exactly.

00:11:40.980 I wonder if she'll get to Rhodes or anything at some point.

00:11:43.680 They won't have any money for them.

00:11:45.500 So, I mean, will she be left of Nenshi?

00:11:49.620 Probably not.

00:11:51.280 But she's certainly going to be less bombastic, less egotistical,

00:11:55.720 which will probably help in a way.

00:11:59.780 And, you know, and as you guys hinted at, you know,

00:12:03.220 one of the key stories out of this was union involvement. They spent $1.7 million, way

00:12:09.220 more than everybody else combined, and they got themselves a pro-union city councilman.

00:12:16.160 So by my count, the union endorsed candidates took nine slots, added Richard Poopmans, who

00:12:25.220 was not endorsed by the union, but is solid liberal. The union's endorsed more NDP, full

00:12:32.220 socialist. I guess being a liberal was not socialist enough. But you add him to the progressive

00:12:37.600 union bloc, that's 10. By my count, I mean, and we'll get to Sean Chu in a bit here, but if Sean,

00:12:43.880 if Sean Chu somehow clears his name and continues on that before conservatives, and then Peter DeMong,

00:12:52.120 the five swing, but he almost always goes with the majority anyway. He knows which way the wind blows

00:12:56.880 and he's going to go, he'll, so he'll probably side with the progressive union bloc, I would

00:13:01.020 imagine on most things, just because that's where it's going. Speaking of going where the wind blows,

00:13:05.980 the human weather vane, Diane Colley Urquhart, finally defeated. She has been a progressive

00:13:12.080 conservative. She's been a wild roser. She has publicly backed the NDP when they were in

00:13:17.080 government at times until the NDP became unpopular. Then she went back. That chicken has crossed the

00:13:22.080 road many, many, many times. Long time city councilor. She's now gone replaced by Dan

00:13:31.320 McClain. I heard there was a lot of anger in the writing because during those crucial

00:13:37.980 city budget talks, Collier-Cartt buggered off to Antarctica. When she was first re-elected 1.00

00:13:43.660 or the last term around, they'd just gotten back in and, oh, I'm sorry, but I had this

00:13:47.500 trip booked, you know. Yeah, exactly. Because we don't know, because municipal elections aren't

00:13:51.420 fixed elections, right? You don't even know when they're going to be. Or when the budget's going to

00:13:54.620 be. Yeah, let's be honest. I'd rather watch penguins and go through a city detailed line

00:13:59.560 by line budget. But, you know, sometimes you get paid to do your job, but she wasn't there.

00:14:04.160 You show somebody mailing it in, and we get a lot of that in city council. Yeah. So Calgary

00:14:08.720 City Council, I'd say the conservative block, again, Chu is such a big asterisk around Chu.

00:14:14.720 don't know if he survives or not, and again, we're going to get into that.

00:14:19.940 But even if we're including himself in that number,

00:14:23.640 the Conservative block actually remains roughly the same size.

00:14:26.160 It was three or four last time. It'll be three or four now.

00:14:28.900 The difference is that the hard left block is now massive and united.

00:14:36.280 The left block was only slightly larger than the Conservative block last time

00:14:41.480 with a bunch in the middle who just kind of do the deals and get what they want.

00:14:44.440 and they can blow with the wind one way or another.

00:14:46.480 Now they have an absolute supermajority.

00:14:49.900 They beat the Conservatives more than two to one.

00:14:52.460 They've got ten on council, nine if you knock out Poopmans, 1.00

00:14:56.980 but I think you'll be signing with them anyway.

00:14:59.580 So this council, even though the Conservatives are the same number,

00:15:03.160 the left-wing faction, I think, is significantly more powerful.

00:15:07.260 I think in a long, trying to look at a bigger picture of what's going on,

00:15:11.020 and what I've seen in these elections this last couple of months,

00:15:13.240 I'm going to say something that I think most of our type of listeners aren't going to want to hear.

00:15:16.140 But the truth of it is, the majority of Canadians, including Calgarians, including Edmontonians,

00:15:20.520 right now want big nanny government taking care of them. 1.00

00:15:24.480 They want that rectal thermometer in there, monitoring them, taking care of them.

00:15:29.280 I didn't mention anything about sea life.

00:15:32.160 James, add it to the list.

00:15:35.220 But I mean, people want big government right now.

00:15:37.780 I mean, that was part of what really defeated Farkas. 1.00

00:15:39.860 You can't even look at the union in Gondek in that case.

00:15:42.600 A big turning point for him was the vaccination passports. You know, we have a very vocal minority

00:15:47.240 of people who are very against it, but every other poll shows the majority of people actually

00:15:51.240 want it. The majority of people want government to have restrictions. They want government to

00:15:59.560 some, you know, they believe government can take care of this pandemic. It frustrates me. I wish

00:16:03.000 it wasn't so. And we've seen that in the federal election. I think Kenny has lost more support due

00:16:08.040 due to his reticence on locking down

00:16:10.360 than the people he infuriated by locking down.

00:16:12.680 I mean, he's kind of lost on both sides.

00:16:14.980 I look at this though,

00:16:15.800 maybe we need this left-wing government for a little while. 1.00

00:16:17.800 It's like the old method of,

00:16:19.520 when you catch the kids smoking,

00:16:20.840 just send a whole pack down there.

00:16:22.840 Make them smoke a carton. 0.52

00:16:23.680 Get them sick.

00:16:24.620 Get your taste of socialism for four years, guys,

00:16:26.900 because we're gonna bottom out.

00:16:28.400 And then maybe you're gonna realize

00:16:30.960 that the government is not the solution, it's the problem.

00:16:33.580 But right now, we can point our fingers and blame,

00:16:36.260 but the electorate has spoken

00:16:37.640 and they want left-wing leadership.

00:16:39.320 Well, maybe it'll be like making the kids smoke

00:16:41.540 a carton of cigarettes so they get sick of it,

00:16:43.600 or maybe it'll be like heroin and we get hooked on it.

00:16:45.760 We could go one way or another.

00:16:46.960 Yeah, but when the heroin runs out,

00:16:48.080 you gotta do something, so.

00:16:49.880 But I just, the unions definitely impacted the ward races.

00:16:53.480 There's no doubt about that, and they were scattered.

00:16:55.580 Let's talk about the unions.

00:16:56.860 Dave mentioned that, so there's a super PAC

00:17:00.240 called Calgary's Future, very benignly named,

00:17:02.960 non-threatening named PAC, funded largely by QP,

00:17:06.960 and I think maybe one other union, they've put in $1.7 million.

00:17:10.800 It was more money for their candidates to spend than all others combined.

00:17:14.900 And I think there is, I think I sussed this out a bit in my column,

00:17:19.400 that the impact isn't just that they have a bunch of money to spend against, say, the conservatives.

00:17:26.160 It's that it helps them form an unofficial political party,

00:17:29.380 because there's no political parties here to ensure that each side has only one candidate on the ballot.

00:17:34.660 It's a free-for-all. Anyone can get on the ballot.

00:17:36.960 and there's not really a way to clear the field of people who would, for lack of a better term, split the vote with you.

00:17:44.480 So for the mayor's chair, let's just use that as an example.

00:17:48.580 Jody Gondek was the only credible left-leaning candidate on the ballot.

00:17:53.340 Any others who came along, they either dropped out like Kent Herr, they saw the writing on the wall,

00:17:57.040 or they ran nil campaigns, didn't register above, into the 1%.

00:18:03.320 On the right side, you had Jeremy Farkas, but then you also had kind of red Tory-ish type candidates like Jeff Davison, Brad Field, intelligent and credible candidates, but who couldn't win.

00:18:18.440 The left had this pack, and they could say, this is our candidate, and they're going to have an overwhelming financial advantage in the campaign, and so you may as well not bother, because they're just going to clear through.

00:18:32.120 But on the other side, well, there was no single organization that could point its finger and say,

00:18:37.880 Jeremy Farkas is our guy or Jeff Davison is our guy.

00:18:40.920 And that meant that the right, whose financing, it was not only just less, was also more diffuse.

00:18:47.980 They had to actually get their own donors.

00:18:50.700 And so I think that is effectively created a de facto political party, at least on the left in council.

00:18:57.600 And I know you had something to say about...

00:18:59.280 Yeah, well, I wrote that column on it.

00:19:01.140 And I think it's time for a party to come on the conservative end.

00:19:04.280 But I mean, that aside, and as you said, there's a de facto one.

00:19:06.860 And I believe the sway I said in the column is the only thing worse than an official political party is an unofficial political party.

00:19:12.200 This is one hiding in the shadows.

00:19:13.640 So if we're going to play the games, let's bring it out in the open and get actual solid organized groups because we're losing, guys.

00:19:19.900 We're losing.

00:19:20.320 And there is a law that, you know, some union members were upset that the way their fees are being used and what political things they were supporting, and the government wrote a law, and the law passed, and it hasn't been officially signed in yet.

00:19:37.000 This law was passed by the Alberta legislature.

00:19:39.280 It was a UCP bill, and it would require that if unions want to spend money on political purposes,

00:19:46.780 that they have to get the opt-in of individual union members to have their dues go into it.

00:19:51.400 Traditionally, the union just says, well, we have their money, and we're going to spend it however we like,

00:19:55.480 and we're going to spend it on political parties, even if many of our members don't agree with it.

00:19:59.460 That bill passed the Alberta legislature, I believe, a long time ago.

00:20:03.340 But here's a really weird, niche-y thing about Alberta.

00:20:06.400 A bill passes the legislature, and then it goes and gets signed by the lieutenant governor.

00:20:10.800 But then it goes back to cabinet, and it's still not the law until the cabinet passes it again and gets enacted.

00:20:18.680 Kenny's been sitting on this bill.

00:20:20.640 And so you have this legislation that would still allow the unions to spend money,

00:20:24.300 but actually, you know, ask people before they can spend their money.

00:20:27.540 And it wasn't proclaimed.

00:20:28.720 And this would have made a decisive, I don't know how much of a difference,

00:20:32.160 but it would have been a decisive difference in at least the finance of the campaign.

00:20:36.940 And as I said, I think in how just simply the candidate layout works,

00:20:40.980 he probably would have had more lefty candidates. 0.91

00:20:42.100 It beggars belief that Kenny wouldn't sign it

00:20:44.740 because you would think that it would benefit conservative candidates.

00:20:48.800 It's because he's already got like a three-front war going on

00:20:51.700 and he didn't want the municipal unions being the next ones exploding on him.

00:20:55.220 To be honest, he avoided it late in the fire, though he shouldn't.

00:20:58.420 Yeah. Well, let's move on to the fallout of a lot of this.

00:21:04.500 Days before the municipal election, documents came to light of,

00:21:13.520 they really only showed, the documents that we've seen,

00:21:16.360 really only showed, it was an invest, a review by the Law Enforcement Review Board of Alberta

00:21:21.820 into, why don't you say it?

00:21:26.280 Sure.

00:21:26.660 You're the news guy.

00:21:28.420 This is all going back to 1997, so cast your memories back a very long time, 24 years.

00:21:36.900 This is when Sean Chu was a constable with the Calgary Police Service.

00:21:41.160 I interviewed Chu yesterday, it's the only interview he's given out to any media, he's issued a few statements, but we had a very long chat, and here's his side of the story.

00:21:52.100 He's on duty in uniform, and he gets called to a bar on somewhere near McLeod Trail and 94th Avenue South.

00:22:00.900 Inside this bar, a licensed establishment, he meets a girl.

00:22:07.200 He assumes because it's a license, it's actually got to be a woman, legally. 0.97

00:22:11.820 You have to be over 18 to get in.

00:22:13.820 He says the girl liked him.

00:22:18.440 And he thought, you know, bottom line is I could be on to a good thing here.

00:22:25.120 So he went back to his duties, went back to the office, checked in his gun, registered his gun, he says,

00:22:32.320 went back home, changed into civilian clothes, went back to the bar to link up with this woman, he thought,

00:22:39.580 but we all know now it's a 16-year-old girl.

00:22:42.700 They end up going back to his house.

00:22:45.600 Chu told me he does not drink alcohol, and he didn't drink alcohol that night,

00:22:49.520 but he did not know if the girl had been drinking or was inebriated.

00:22:55.260 They start fooling around.

00:22:57.140 He said there was kissing and touching.

00:22:59.300 There was other intimate sex acts, which we won't get into.

00:23:04.640 But then all of a sudden, the girl said, look, I want to go home.

00:23:08.520 Chu says he immediately took the girl home.

00:23:11.640 The girl then files an official complaint with Calgary Police Service alleging sexual assault against Chu. 0.98

00:23:21.640 That then takes us to seven years of investigations, appeals, counter appeals, charges, more investigations.

00:23:30.640 Bottom line is, out of all those seven years, the only reprimand that Chu got was a letter of reprimand for caressing the girl's leg in the pub when he was on duty in uniform.

00:23:42.900 Nothing else, no criminal charges of any kind whatsoever.

00:23:48.540 Now the story gets murky because other media have reported things like he met the girl at the Husky House downtown, which would just be a restaurant and not a licensed establishment.

00:23:59.460 Let's talk about the implications of each of these things as you go through it.

00:24:05.460 That would mean that his defense that he assumed she was over 18 because she was in a bar that

00:24:11.580 would have required her to be 18, that defense falls apart if it was the Husky House. 1.00

00:24:16.540 And so CTV and some others, or at least CTV is reporting that it was the Husky House not

00:24:21.820 a bar.

00:24:23.220 We haven't seen any documents to that effect, but this is easily verifiable one way or another

00:24:30.700 because this would clearly be documented and probably agreed by all parties where they

00:24:34.780 were.

00:24:35.780 I would imagine that the person making the complaint and allegations and Mr. Chu, they

00:24:39.560 would all probably agree they know where they are.

00:24:41.220 And Chu had a partner at the time who was with him.

00:24:43.660 So if it was Husky House or if it was a bar, that's an important point of dispute right

00:24:49.720 now that is going to need some facts made public.

00:24:53.640 Yeah.

00:24:54.800 Second point of dispute is a gun.

00:24:57.500 Some media outlets have reported that a gun was produced in the house.

00:25:00.840 Obviously, that takes things up to a whole new level.

00:25:03.780 Chu told me no, denied it strongly, 100%.

00:25:06.980 He said he checked in his gun at the traffic office when he was going off duty.

00:25:12.760 Again, you know, easily verifiable.

00:25:14.920 He did tell me that he owned a shotgun, but it wasn't brought out that night.

00:25:21.260 So again, I would think this is easily verifiable.

00:25:25.380 This will clearly be in the internal documents that we have not yet seen, but CTV is again

00:25:33.440 saying that they're reporting that there was a gun involved or someone's alleged there's

00:25:37.640 a gun involved.

00:25:38.900 We haven't seen the document that would say that, but that document will exist somewhere.

00:25:44.420 It has existed, I'm sure, since the night it happened.

00:25:49.520 Because we know if he checked his gun into the station or not.

00:25:52.940 Did he keep his gun on him?

00:25:54.860 This is not going to be hearsay, he said, she said, forever.

00:25:59.380 This is a verifiable fact that we need.

00:26:03.120 So fast forward 24 years to last week, when details of these allegations first started

00:26:09.380 to leak to the media.

00:26:11.820 timing just days before the election. Chu told me it was nothing but a political assassination,

00:26:17.580 and he says he's always told the truth, and the truth will prevail. He says, you know,

00:26:24.380 if a gun had been brought out, there would have been weapons charges laid against him,

00:26:29.100 and there weren't. So I think Chu won by 52 votes over D.J. Kelly, so there's likely to be a

00:26:37.580 a recount in Ward 4. Chu may have only survived by getting the advance polling out.

00:26:45.580 Surely, I think if the advance polls hadn't been strong for him, I think it would have

00:26:49.580 been a different one.

00:26:50.580 Yeah, that would have been enough. So, now the fallout becomes political. Marilette Gondek

00:26:55.580 says she wants him gone, and gone immediately. There are no laws on the city books allowing

00:27:03.780 them to remove a candidate unless he's criminally charged. There were no criminal charges in

00:27:09.160 this case. So she's turned up north and asked Edmonton for help. Jason Kenney was asked about

00:27:15.060 the situation yesterday and he said it was appalling. And then he threw the onus back

00:27:19.820 onto Chu and said, if you can't prove your evidence, if you can't prove your story, then

00:27:26.340 perhaps you should resign. And again, we go back to what Chu says. I told the truth then,

00:27:31.640 I'm telling the truth now. I've always told the truth. The truth will prevail.

00:27:36.840 But I think this is a political storm that's not going anywhere very quickly, Derek.

00:27:41.800 No. I mean, if Chu's story doesn't hold up, he needs to resign.

00:27:47.500 I mean, there's no doubt about it.

00:27:50.300 I mean, even if it does hold up, it's still pretty bad.

00:27:54.320 It's still pretty bad.

00:27:55.360 But, you know, his defense was that, you know, if he's in this place that he says is not the Husky House, there was an 18 plus establishment at a certain time.

00:28:06.240 Well, he at least has a better case than if not.

00:28:11.460 So, but I mean, but if a single threat of this thing comes, and the good thing is, though, that we should be able to check every single one of these facts.

00:28:19.160 Chu will almost certainly have to consent to the release of any documents around this to want to clear it up.

00:28:25.920 I think the Calgary Police Service owes it to Calgarians to release these documents, assuming that they're legally allowed to.

00:28:34.800 Let's see. Was the gun checked in or was the gun out? That's a key part of the story.

00:28:40.060 Was this at the Husky House or was this at an 18-plus only establishment?

00:28:44.080 Key part of the story. Let's see the documents, see if it checks out.

00:28:48.620 Corey, I'm a bit baffled that Gondek and Kenny are swirling around looking for ways to remove

00:28:59.740 him.

00:29:00.740 When there is a piece of legislation that could remove him, again, that's passed the

00:29:05.440 legislature but has not been proclaimed by the government, by Kenny.

00:29:10.420 It's back of the cabinet's hands.

00:29:11.420 It's the recall act.

00:29:12.420 That's because Kenny was afraid he was going to be a UCP MLA who was going to step in it

00:29:14.920 before a municipal candidate.

00:29:16.920 We have the recall act.

00:29:17.920 the Recall Act. This is exactly what the Recall Act is for, because...

00:29:21.620 This is a perfect example of what it's for, because I mean, we've got what may still

00:29:26.380 amount to, I mean, we don't know, but Sean may dig his heels in, and it's a he said,

00:29:30.800 she said situation, and you know, there is nothing on the books to remove somebody aside

00:29:35.800 from that potential recall legislation. That would give the voters then the means, if it

00:29:39.160 was that intransigent, to say, if it's this odious, the voters are going to get up, we're

00:29:43.800 gonna sign that petition and dude you're out it's over. As we said I mean there's

00:29:48.540 so much in the air now too that we need to see some documents, we need to see

00:29:53.420 something, we need to see more. This is something so potentially horrific we know

00:29:58.540 darn well nobody had they had it known this prior to the advance polls would

00:30:02.700 have voted for Sean but these kinds of stories can be very convoluted and odd

00:30:07.260 too. I can't defend I haven't seen anything and I've known Sean for 10

00:30:10.240 years I consider him a friend I'm horrified by this I mean I'm horrified

00:30:14.680 for his children you know what they're enduring out of this I just don't know

00:30:21.640 where to go with this we need to see some evidence or proof one way or another

00:30:24.400 or even if he can't prove it maybe for the sake of your family Sean yourself

00:30:28.820 just back off and then move into out of the public life because this just and if

00:30:34.460 this is true well that's beyond the pale we just can't have an elected official

00:30:37.300 Correct me if I'm wrong, Derek, but doesn't the recall legislation, you can only remove

00:30:42.900 them after a year and a half?

00:30:44.600 I believe so.

00:30:45.600 I have to verify that, but I believe that it was put into the legislation that you can't

00:30:51.620 initiate a recall petition to recall your politician until a year and a half since the

00:30:56.020 election day.

00:30:57.020 The idea being that you can't just re-litigate the last election, like, oh, I didn't like

00:31:00.100 the results.

00:31:01.100 Start petitioning the day after the election every time.

00:31:03.260 And I understand that, but, I mean, this is the problem when you put too many caveats

00:31:07.520 into the legislation.

00:31:09.420 What if you get a situation like this?

00:31:11.940 Now, I mean, it's difficult to thread this needle, but I'm going to try.

00:31:19.440 If the allegations that are not yet proven are proven to be true, beyond a shadow of

00:31:26.140 a doubt, he should be on the moon.

00:31:30.160 If not, they're still bad, but...

00:31:35.740 And we should always listen to...

00:31:38.720 This is a very long-standing issue, going back a quarter of a century now, but it's

00:31:42.560 still pertinent.

00:31:45.260 But there is due process, and it matters. 0.97

00:31:48.720 I mean, the MeToo movement has seen a lot of scumbags go down, rightfully so. 0.94

00:31:55.840 there are some people who did get swept up in that, who did not deserve to go down 0.91

00:32:02.100 because there was not due process. And I'm not positive it was Voltaire, but he said,

00:32:07.800 I would rather a thousand guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted.

00:32:16.280 And that is justice. And so we need to be careful here. If he's guilty, he should pay the

00:32:21.140 consequences politically. But we have to, I think it behooves us to respect due process.

00:32:28.120 Let it play out. Let's see the evidence. And the great thing is, this is not just the he said,

00:32:32.760 she said of a man and a woman in an apartment somewhere with no witnesses. There are verifiable

00:32:39.360 facts around this as we've discussed. Let's see the documents and then we can make a decision.

00:32:43.680 And the pitchforks are out. And I think a lot of it is, well, people are outraged if they believe

00:32:48.500 what has happened, of course, but there's political play going on here.

00:32:52.320 He was one of the most outspoken conservatives.

00:32:54.060 There are some people very eager to get him out of there at all costs.

00:32:57.760 Well, again, it doesn't have to happen tomorrow, as much as you guys feel like it.

00:33:01.840 I mean, some people, and there's misconceptions.

00:33:04.020 I've seen some of that in social media.

00:33:05.320 If Sean backs off tomorrow, there's going to be a by-election.

00:33:08.500 DJ Kelly doesn't immediately get in.

00:33:10.740 You're going to have to run again, because you can't presume that everybody who voted

00:33:15.760 for Sean would have voted for DJ.

00:33:16.920 They might have voted for another one of the candidates, so there will be another.

00:33:19.900 So, I mean, this doesn't have to happen today.

00:33:21.920 We want to resolve this as soon as possible.

00:33:23.820 One thing I agree with Gonda, because it's a huge distraction.

00:33:26.180 Well, we've got a new administration coming in, and everybody's focused on this.

00:33:29.680 But, you know, put the pitchforks down, and let's see what's happening here.

00:33:33.360 Unless he resigns, this is not going to come to a quick conclusion.

00:33:36.780 No.

00:33:36.960 Right?

00:33:37.180 You've got all these documents.

00:33:38.420 They're sealed by judges.

00:33:40.440 You know, it's not as though the media can just go and ask for them.

00:33:44.320 Does the CPS reopen the investigation?

00:33:46.920 All these allegations were investigated 24 years ago, and there were no charges.

00:33:51.920 But certainly, with the MeToo movement, you know, the attitudes have changed.

00:33:55.920 Well, let's remember, the girl who made the allegation here, she complained that there was a cover-up.

00:34:03.920 She said there was a cover-up, and that's the documents we have seen.

00:34:06.920 It was the appeals of the investigations into allegations of wrongdoing.

00:34:11.920 She alleges that there was a cover-up and that this was not handled correctly.

00:34:15.920 The Law Enforcement Review Board disagreed, appeal court, an appellate court overturned

00:34:23.680 one of those reviews and a second review and investigation was done and that was upheld.

00:34:30.460 But she has alleged that there was a cover up here and I have absolutely no way of saying

00:34:35.680 that.

00:34:36.680 I mean, maybe there was, but we have nothing to hang that on.

00:34:41.480 We have the documents and they say that they're satisfied that the officers who investigated

00:34:46.840 Chu's behavior that evening was fine, that the investigation was watertight and all good.

00:34:52.420 And you know, she, the girl, now obviously a woman, must have strong feelings about this.

00:34:58.000 And she's, seven years she fought for it, seven years, right?

00:35:02.820 This meant something to her.

00:35:05.660 She thought this was something to fight for.

00:35:08.240 And at the end she didn't get what she wanted.

00:35:11.460 She called it a cover-up and now, a quarter century later, the documents are coming to

00:35:16.460 light.

00:35:17.460 Yeah.

00:35:18.460 And I just, again, though, I mean it beggars belief that after 24 years that it just happened,

00:35:23.280 because some are almost saying, well, it's just a matter of timing, happened to come

00:35:26.140 out right when he was about to.

00:35:27.780 I mean, this was released with the intent to do maximum damage to the country.

00:35:31.580 Yeah, very certainly there was a political intent that doesn't take away from the content.

00:35:36.960 It doesn't mean it didn't happen.

00:35:38.860 There's a lot going on here.

00:35:39.860 Yeah, it doesn't take away from the content of the allegations.

00:35:44.240 The original documents, the documents that we've seen, I don't think those are shooting offenses,

00:35:49.540 but the other allegations that we have not seen documents to back up, they are.

00:35:54.900 And I have a fair degree of confidence we're going to see those documents soon enough.

00:35:59.600 So, very difficult situation and a massive distraction for a new city council.

00:36:05.520 difficult to see how Jody Gondak's going to be able to focus on global warming and federal

00:36:11.980 child care in the meantime. Okay, let's turn towards the equalization referendum. Maybe a

00:36:18.600 bit of a happier topic than the last. Albertans voted on October 18th. There's no official result

00:36:29.160 yet because it's done actually by every single municipality and then forwarded on to the

00:36:33.640 province. But what do we know so far, Dave? Well, our Western Standard Election Desk has

00:36:38.560 declared it passed with the magic desk that goes up and down. Yeah, our projections show that it's

00:36:50.460 going to pass with 60 plus percent. Calgary passed it with 58 percent. Lethbridge was 59 percent.

00:36:58.620 The Red Deer and Medicine Hat were way up there at 69%.

00:37:02.620 Edmonton didn't want to play with everybody else and they've kept their results secret.

00:37:07.620 As Derek mentioned, it will be released by Elections Alberta on October 26th.

00:37:14.620 But, you know, when you're looking at all these areas, you can see that it's probably going to pass with a, you know, 60% plus mandate.

00:37:23.620 mandate, but Premier Kenney seemed happy with that yesterday. He had initially said all he

00:37:32.380 was looking for was 50% plus one, which I think was a bit of a...

00:37:36.900 I've got to bridge the side if you believe that.

00:37:38.260 Yeah, exactly. He was hoping for a lot higher than this, but his personal unpopularity has

00:37:44.000 obviously kept the vote from being where he wanted it to be.

00:37:48.540 Yeah, so we don't have Edmonton. Obviously, that's the biggest missing chunk right now.

00:37:52.360 We've got a sampling of the medium municipalities, Lethbridge's, Medicine Hats, Red Deers, things like that. 1.00

00:37:58.720 That gives us an indication of how similar-sized communities and similarly located communities will vote.

00:38:04.300 I haven't seen any of the smaller towns, places like Strathmore and Drumheller.

00:38:10.000 I haven't seen those, and we certainly haven't seen county-level, the real rural, people who don't live as firmly on the grid.

00:38:19.800 I think, you know, you don't have to be a world-class pollster to predict that the smaller the community gets, the higher the yes vote gets for the equalization vote.

00:38:31.940 Edmonton is probably going to come in a little bit under Calgary.

00:38:35.680 Our polling showed as much when we did it.

00:38:38.760 Polling showed still that a majority of Edmontonians would probably vote for it, but it'll be a, but who knows, maybe it'll be neck and neck.

00:38:45.880 Maybe even the no side wins by a hair.

00:38:47.600 We'll see.

00:38:48.440 But overall, we're looking at 60% plus.

00:38:52.960 I think actually by simply the mechanics of having this anticlimactic announcement a week after the vote diminishes the effect of the vote.

00:39:02.600 Sure it does.

00:39:03.020 I mean, like, if you're going to send a message across Canada, we're pissed and we're doing something.

00:39:08.360 You need to have it like it's a provincial election.

00:39:10.740 It's counted that night.

00:39:12.420 The results are out and we're watching it and we're focused on it.

00:39:15.220 We're not focused on some councillor in Ward 4 in Calgary.

00:39:19.040 That gets more coverage in the equalization referendum on election night.

00:39:23.220 You need to make an event out of it.

00:39:24.800 There needs to be, you know, you would expect you to have the premier at the yes side headquarters

00:39:30.040 cheering and giving a triumphal speech and saying,

00:39:33.120 Justin Trudeau, I'm coming to Ottawa and I'm going to give you a noogie until we get a fair deal.

00:39:37.740 None of that.

00:39:38.480 We're going to get an anticlimactic announcement from some bureaucrats a week after the vote is actually taken.

00:39:44.620 Probably just a press release.

00:39:45.920 It'll be some press release that goes out,

00:39:48.400 a little note on Elections Alberta's website saying,

00:39:50.320 hey, Albertans said this.

00:39:54.100 Corey, what impact, if anything,

00:39:56.120 we're actually going to get out of this?

00:39:57.340 Well, it doesn't hurt.

00:39:58.200 I mean, it establishes that the majority of Albertans

00:40:00.880 do see it as an unfair policy,

00:40:03.060 one that needs to change.

00:40:04.400 You know, we would like to see it different.

00:40:06.960 Actually leading to change,

00:40:08.520 you know, we know that's exceedingly unlikely,

00:40:10.200 but we know that even if 90% of Albertans voted against it,

00:40:12.920 it wouldn't change anything.

00:40:13.940 But it does establish that, I mean, as I said earlier, Alberta's been embracing big government in any state.

00:40:20.920 But at least even then, the majority can still point at that and say, that program stinks.

00:40:25.800 You know, we want to do something well.

00:40:27.220 So, I mean, it didn't do harm.

00:40:28.540 It's not going to change many things.

00:40:30.780 Just due to politics and a lot of other things and Kenny's popularity, it didn't come in nearly as strongly as it should have.

00:40:37.320 And he can't use it the way I think he originally hoped he'd be able to.

00:40:40.420 It didn't hurt.

00:40:41.140 I think a successful no vote would hurt.

00:40:44.800 Then Ottawa and Quebec and other provinces can point and say, 0.93

00:40:49.160 look, Alberta, even you guys love giving us money, so shut up, be quiet.

00:40:54.240 So a no vote would have hurt. 0.89

00:40:56.720 A yes vote could have been positive, I think.

00:40:59.220 But I think the way it's done, it's going to get a reasonably decent majority,

00:41:04.080 probably 60% plus as we project.

00:41:06.840 But it's not going to be the thumping supermajority it should have gotten.

00:41:09.520 Again, I think the pollsters and most are agreeing that is due in a very large measure to the extreme unpopularity of Premier Jason Kenney.

00:41:21.180 The whole thing was just really poorly executed.

00:41:23.780 And even in the best of circumstances, nothing would probably still change except it would make us feel good.

00:41:29.580 It just seems like the whole thing was a very big missed opportunity.

00:41:32.220 But now, as we said in our editorial the day before this, before the vote, we said on October 18th, vote yes to end equalization.

00:41:47.700 But on October 19th, make sure that the federal government doesn't forget about it.

00:41:52.960 Sorry, the provincial government doesn't let the feds forget about it.

00:41:56.100 Well, I haven't heard anything.

00:41:57.740 Now, I guess we don't have the official results yet.

00:41:59.340 You won't say anything until it is official.

00:42:00.820 Yeah. But really, what do we honestly expect? Is Jason Kenney, so let's say Monday next week, which is approximately when we're going to have the official results. Is Jason Kenney going to get on a plane, go to Ottawa and, you know, kick Trudeau in the shins until something happens?

00:42:17.500 He might do something like that, actually. 0.95

00:42:19.060 I mean, we're at a point of the latest wave of COVID.

00:42:21.440 It seems to be dropping.

00:42:22.460 He would like to reset the clock going into the holiday season,

00:42:25.300 maybe some sort of press push where, okay, I've got this mandate.

00:42:29.900 Even if he knows, you know, you're just going to slam your face against the door,

00:42:33.140 it could turn the page a little for him.

00:42:34.880 I mean, they might have something like that.

00:42:36.340 I guarantee you that in Trudeau's personal day timer,

00:42:40.860 he may have, you know, check surfing conditions in Tofino,

00:42:43.400 But he is not going to have a weight Alberta referendum results on October 26th.

00:42:53.400 Unless Kenny does exactly what Corey said and make a big deal out of it,

00:43:00.400 then it's just going to disappear, I think.

00:43:03.400 You just gave me a great idea to deal up a faux Drudeau day timer.

00:43:07.400 What does this look like?

00:43:09.400 Man, you'd have to read it in crayon.

00:43:11.400 It's just about time to kick off our Halloween Trudeau costume page.

00:43:18.400 Well, that's racist.

00:43:19.400 Well, you don't have to do all of his costumes.

00:43:22.400 The fake eyebrows.

00:43:23.400 We did do a roundup of Trudeau Halloween costume ideas.

00:43:28.400 He likes to dress up.

00:43:31.400 He does.

00:43:32.400 You know what?

00:43:33.400 Let's not forget that.

00:43:35.400 Making a note right now.

00:43:37.400 Okay, well, let's move on to another vote that may do nothing, but I think is still a good idea to do nonetheless.

00:43:46.960 Hitting our heads against the brick wall is the national sport of Alberta, which is also Senate elections.

00:43:53.940 Again, like the equalization referendum, we do not have official results yet, but we get a good idea to make a reasonable projection.

00:44:01.340 We've got Calgary, and we've got some of these medium-sized cities with the unofficial, partial, and incomplete results so far.

00:44:10.340 What do we have so far, Dave?

00:44:11.860 What we have so far, Derek, is looking like a clean sweep for the Conservative Party of Canada candidates.

00:44:19.440 Erica Barutz, Pam Davidson, and M&Ms.

00:44:24.340 Again, I'm sorry, can't pronounce your name.

00:44:26.280 That's a tough name.

00:44:26.940 It is a tough name.

00:44:27.880 So if the results from the small selection we've got are confirmed by the rest of the province and there's really no reason to think that they won't be, then I guess those three have to go sit in a special padded room and wait until they get the beck and call from Justin Trudeau.

00:44:47.380 The PPC candidates, they had a big slate too, and Maxime Bernier, the leader of the party, came to Alberta to campaign.

00:44:58.320 Really didn't translate much at the polls. Their candidates were sitting around 4 or 5 percent.

00:45:03.960 Well, percentages are tough for this because you get three votes.

00:45:06.960 Yes.

00:45:07.280 So, like, if you're voting this slate, then you kind of actually add all three together to get a percentage.

00:45:12.820 pitch. So if they're around, you know, say each, if everybody voted, if you're voting

00:45:18.720 for one PPC candidate and say you voted the whole slate and they were averaging 5% each,

00:45:23.040 you would say the PPC got 15%. It's an unusual election. You know, when you vote for your

00:45:28.760 council, your mayor, your MP, your MLA, you get one vote. You check them off or you put

00:45:33.640 an X on the ballot, it's done. With this, you get three. So the percentages is tough

00:45:39.880 as a measure, unless you're adding the parties together.

00:45:43.260 Yeah, and I failed math 10, so I'm no good in this discussion.

00:45:48.080 That's why we put you in charge of the big stuff.

00:45:50.140 Exactly.

00:45:53.280 Corey, yeah, so it looks like the Tories, as expected,

00:45:55.560 are going to win.

00:45:58.920 Doug Horner, former Alison Redford finance minister,

00:46:02.120 my old best friend,

00:46:04.740 he's actually got a fairly surprisingly strong showing so far.

00:46:09.880 Again, some of this might be very regional, how, you know, if you, a lot of these candidates are going to,

00:46:15.320 especially independents, might do well in their zone where people might have some idea of them.

00:46:20.420 But, you know, if James ran for Senate, I'm sure there'd be some people in Medicine Hat

00:46:26.620 and the north side of the Boa River who votes for him.

00:46:29.740 But people in Airdrie, they may as well be in high level.

00:46:35.120 No one there is going to know him.

00:46:36.200 So some of these independents will have regional variations.

00:46:38.440 And that's probably why Horner is doing well, because people are looking at this long list

00:46:43.580 of names and, oh, Horner, geez, that rings a bell somewhere, you know, oh, click.

00:46:48.560 Now, if it said Horner, Allison Redford, finance minister, maybe not so well.

00:46:52.860 Not so well.

00:46:53.800 But luckily, it just says Doug Horner, independent.

00:46:59.540 Over under Corey, what are the chances any of these people go to the Senate?

00:47:03.300 I'd put a 50-50.

00:47:04.580 I mean, it's like a six-year, I believe, term in senator-in-waiting.

00:47:09.200 I'd like to think that we might have a new prime minister within six years.

00:47:14.280 It would require not just a new prime minister, but a prime minister from a new party.

00:47:18.320 Well, yes, it would be somebody other than the liberals, which is a possibility.

00:47:22.320 And traditionally, in the past, some conservative governments have appointed our chosen elected senators.

00:47:27.540 So it's not impossible.

00:47:29.020 The chances of it happening while Prime Minister Clowness, who sits on the throne, though, are pretty much nil.

00:47:33.560 So, I mean, they don't need to be picking out their seats in the Red Chamber quite yet.

00:47:38.080 They could probably kick back and take their time as a senator in waiting.

00:47:41.040 There is two spots, one of which was open before the last federal election, that he didn't fill.

00:47:48.040 I'm extremely hesitant to think that he's going to do it.

00:47:50.800 But, I mean, there are some vacancies, and one of them was, there's two vacancies now.

00:47:54.420 One of them was not filled from before. 0.99

00:47:56.660 I mean, I think it's extraordinarily unlikely, but maybe to throw a bone to show he's not a total asshole. 0.97

00:48:03.560 Maybe he gives us one and appoints some jag off for the other one. 0.99

00:48:08.160 I don't know. 1.00

00:48:08.460 You know, I thought on that and I thought, well, for one, he doesn't care if we think he's an asshole. 1.00

00:48:13.340 No. 1.00

00:48:13.540 He's well aware of that.

00:48:14.780 And the other thing is, though, it just sets, they would legitimize our process.

00:48:19.140 He just can't do that because then other provinces will dare to actually start thinking maybe they could elect him too.

00:48:24.100 Yeah, there's no chance of these people being appointed while Trudeau's in power.

00:48:27.740 So what I'm saying is it's more than 0% that he does, but it's less than 0.1%.

00:48:38.280 Yeah, getting around there.

00:48:39.460 If he's having a tantrum because his own party's kicking him out

00:48:42.060 and he wants to lob a turd into the punch bowl, he might do something like that.

00:48:46.680 I mean, maybe someone drugs him and puts the document in front of him and he signs it.

00:48:52.580 It could happen.

00:48:54.440 Okay, well, we're going to wrap it up there.

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Western Standard - October 21, 2021

The Pipeline： Fallout from the Municipal Election & Referendum

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