Western Standard - The Pipeline： Food for thought but nothing to eat for Trudeau

00:00:00.000 good evening my name is cory morgan and this is the pipeline this is the western standards weekly

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00:01:27.660 association okay let's get to it there's the three of us here today i'll start from the end

00:01:32.540 and work my way towards myself even though nigel's already dramatic i see the glasses are taken off

00:01:37.020 all around already we've got our news editor dave naylor at the end of the table welcome to this

00:01:41.820 week's show, Dave. Thank you, Corey. I don't know if you quite have the gravitas that Mr. Hannaford

00:01:51.180 can add to it. But yes, and then our opinion editor, Nigel Hannaford here today, as always.

00:01:57.500 Good to see you, Corey. Yes. Great call this morning. Great rant. Thanks. I really

00:02:03.260 had to get it out of my system. Some things need to be said. And yeah, they can certainly

00:02:07.980 get the vein pulsing in the side of my head poor jane you know it's kicking out of the house go go 1.00

00:02:12.300 go do a show i don't hear about it anymore she's sick but uh oh that's what she told you what to

00:02:18.060 say it depends on what we're talking about the social uh social environments things like that 0.64

00:02:23.340 where i am quite uh challenged jane's advice is well taken and i'll just shut up and do as i'm

00:02:28.220 sad but you know when it comes to the political rants i still keep my little corner of things

00:02:32.460 Way to go.

00:02:33.040 They should just tell me to get the hell out.

00:02:35.040 All right.

00:02:36.060 Well, what do we got to talk about today?

00:02:38.900 Poor Justin.

00:02:40.660 He's just having a hard time, Dave.

00:02:42.840 You know, we don't often, as you said earlier, feel terribly sorry for Prime Minister Trudeau,

00:02:47.160 but things are kind of getting a little rough for him.

00:02:49.960 All right.

00:02:50.200 Talk about kicking the guy when he's down, but he's the author of his own demise. 0.92

00:02:54.740 started yesterday in Ottawa, where he lectured the Israelis on how they should be conducting

00:03:02.560 themselves this after, you know, 1,400 Jewish people were slain in the most horrible ways.

00:03:08.940 We don't need to go back into that again. And then Trudeau has the gall to tell Israel how to

00:03:15.300 respond. It was met with immediate derision from Benjamin Netanyahu, the leader of Israel,

00:03:21.280 who basically told Trudeau to go pound sand, again, showing, I think it just shows how far

00:03:29.020 Canada's standing in the world has fallen, Corey, over the last several months, and how basically

00:03:35.200 we're sort of out there on an island of incompetence on our own. So Trudeau took the

00:03:41.140 government jet out to Vancouver to console himself, thought he'd go out for a nice meal, but

00:03:46.440 pro-Palestinian demonstrators found him, started chanting outside that restaurant,

00:03:54.960 forced him out there. He went with his tail between his legs to Chinatown, trying to get

00:04:01.120 another meal down there, where another mob formed, chanting from the river to the sea.

00:04:08.280 More than 100 Vancouver police officers were deployed to protect him. There was a case of a

00:04:14.960 man actually punching a female Vancouver police officer right in the face and gouging her eyes.

00:04:22.660 He was arrested and taken away. So the temperature is really rising across the country in this issue

00:04:28.400 and demonstrations every day. And Trudeau's not helping himself in any way, shape or form.

00:04:35.240 Definitely not. Nigel, and you worked in the prime minister's office before, a different prime

00:04:39.860 Minister, of course. But diplomatically, I mean, Twitter wasn't as big a thing back then. But I

00:04:45.260 mean, for a world leader to take to X to make a response to another world leader, I mean, I think

00:04:50.760 that's kind of another level of a middle finger sort of directed towards Justin Trudeau. It wasn't

00:04:54.320 an official statement of the Israeli government. It wasn't him making a phone call or even doing

00:04:58.180 a press conference. It's like, I'm just going to take three minutes on my keyboard to express my

00:05:03.520 disdain for Prime Minister Trudeau and his thoughts and send it out there and we'll consider

00:05:08.320 done would you see it as something of an insult i guess in that sense yes it is certainly something

00:05:13.520 that wasn't happening 10 years ago those but it never would have with uh with harper because he

00:05:21.440 didn't attract that kind of uh he attracted other kinds of uh but he wouldn't wade into uh affairs

00:05:28.000 that he wasn't mentally capable of dealing with and that i think that is actually the point that's

00:05:36.000 this is what we're seeing playing out here is i say this with some sadness because whether you

00:05:43.440 agree with mr trudeau whether you vote for the liberals or you don't you still like to think

00:05:49.680 that the office of the prime minister of canada is something that people in the rest of the world

00:05:55.360 would take seriously you know if he's got something to say well let's just stop and listen and then

00:06:02.160 you know mr trudeau has now reached the point where nobody cares and i just i was just looking

00:06:10.640 over some of the comments that he has made that we published you know he he says of the um of the um

00:06:20.800 of israel the world is watching boy that's profound yes um you know he he goes on he says um

00:06:30.320 the world is witnessing witnessing this the killing of women and children of babies 0.89

00:06:36.400 this has to stop he didn't actually say it's unacceptable which is the usual word for

00:06:45.040 something that he doesn't like but he said this has to stop well yeah you know i guess we would

00:06:50.160 all like it to stop and stop right now but um and the violence needs to stop urgently okay

00:06:59.920 this is the kind of fatuous comment that actually causes more harm than good because we all know

00:07:08.160 that what's your idea sir the answer is he doesn't have one i don't think anybody does the only thing

00:07:15.600 is that if you believe as our government does that the state of israel has a right to exist

00:07:26.000 then they have no alternative but to eliminate the people who nearly a month ago jumped a wall

00:07:36.880 and started killing people indiscriminately in ways too horrifying to describe or to

00:07:43.200 keep going over. So you can't go out there in that climate and start saying these feel-good

00:07:52.900 statements and expect anybody to take you seriously. Militarily, ceasefire is not an

00:07:58.620 option. Nobody's taking him seriously, and that means nobody's taking Canada seriously.

00:08:05.540 Well, I think Canadians aren't taking him seriously or respecting him either. I mean,

00:08:09.020 He's been pandering, essentially, to the pro-Palestine, or as I would say most often, pro-Hamas mob.

00:08:15.120 But what did that get him?

00:08:16.020 It gets him chased out of restaurants in Vancouver.

00:08:18.680 He hasn't won their love with his mealy-mouthed statements.

00:08:23.700 He's trying to play both sides.

00:08:25.260 He's doing terribly with both.

00:08:27.460 Yeah, it just makes Canada look, you know, we are the weak darling on the world stage now.

00:08:33.320 That's why we're not taken seriously in the five eyes security thing.

00:08:38.040 That's why we're not in the submarine deals with the Americans and the Australians.

00:08:43.100 Our allies just don't trust Trudeau.

00:08:46.200 So, Nigel, what do you think out of this as well?

00:08:50.220 I mean, we know the international world has been taking Trudeau less and less seriously,

00:08:53.800 basically with every year that he's been in office.

00:08:55.900 I mean, he's always kind of been on the outs on the big conferences.

00:08:58.960 But again, getting back here, what do they expect him to say?

00:09:02.820 What are the pro-Palestine, to give them credit for that name even,

00:09:06.360 And what do they expect Prime Minister Trudeau to say?

00:09:08.880 I mean, he's certainly pandered enough, in my view, to them, but they want more, obviously,

00:09:14.140 or they're not even allowed to dine.

00:09:16.320 Yes.

00:09:17.060 Well, look, I mean, they would like nothing less than a full-throated statement of support

00:09:24.260 for their point of view, that Israel has no right to exist and that Israel should withdraw

00:09:28.800 from Gaza now.

00:09:30.020 And, you know, they would like all that, which is very unrealistic because they're never

00:09:34.720 going to get it.

00:09:36.360 And consequently, they're constantly, they're always in this position of being able to confront him and say, well, you haven't said enough, and put him in the position of having to send out the dominoes for supper, you know, like this is not, he's in a no-win position.

00:09:53.020 he can't put himself

00:09:55.000 he's put himself there

00:09:56.200 and he would have been better off

00:09:58.100 if he's going to be in a no-win position

00:09:59.640 he'd be better off to at least pick a side

00:10:01.920 and the right side

00:10:03.720 and support that

00:10:05.400 as powerfully and firmly

00:10:07.240 as his predecessor in office did

00:10:09.840 for the 10 years that he was there to do it

00:10:12.100 like there isn't

00:10:13.860 you can't

00:10:14.680 I don't see how you can have

00:10:17.020 kind of a half door open for terrorism

00:10:20.000 well and he just feels

00:10:21.920 that he has to add every time he speaks to something, you know, there was an atrocity

00:10:26.300 committed, again, Vivian Silver, when we found out she was murdered, she was dead. And you know,

00:10:30.940 well, it's terrible, you know, may she rest in peace. He says all the right words, but then he

00:10:34.420 also always has to follow up. And we're going to fight Islamophobia. Yeah, that had nothing to do

00:10:40.180 with this at all. But he always has to tack that on to the end. I haven't seen any I don't know

00:10:47.060 there's people expressing prejudice against Muslim people and things are getting heated in general.

00:10:50.880 But right now, the more pressing problem we have in Canada is Jewish schools being attacked,

00:10:55.900 Jewish businesses being attacked, Jewish individuals being attacked.

00:10:58.680 I'm not hearing about imams being attacked.

00:11:00.860 Why does he feel compelled to assert that every time?

00:11:05.180 I look at what's going on in Canadian streets now, the mob scenes in Vancouver with police officers being attacked

00:11:10.740 and, you know, the hatred, the hate speech going on in Montreal, Toronto.

00:11:15.520 And I think back to bouncy castles and honking horns, and they declared the state of emergency for that, the War Measures Act for that.

00:11:25.360 And, you know, what are they going to do to try and stop this?

00:11:28.700 I mean, what can Trudeau do to calm such a powerful issue on both sides?

00:11:36.240 You know, he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

00:11:39.120 Certainly the Palestinian side, the Hamas side, this is not spontaneous.

00:11:46.840 This is being generated.

00:11:48.760 This has been pushed and being forced.

00:11:51.640 It's not only here, but we saw what happened in London on Remembrance Day.

00:11:57.920 Huge crowds hostile to Israel.

00:12:01.760 They have, this is the big push.

00:12:04.740 They are conducting a PR campaign worldwide in the name of their cause.

00:12:11.400 So in some ways, it's a hard thing for any democratic politician to deal with.

00:12:19.180 But because it is such a hard thing and because it is so clearly orchestrated and well thought out by the other side,

00:12:30.340 you should know that you can't get away with platitudes.

00:12:33.660 you actually do have to take a position and stick with it.

00:12:37.900 It can't be all things to all men.

00:12:39.340 No, and maybe again, calling out some of the problems. What I'm getting myself tired of,

00:12:44.780 and to clarify, because a lot of people seem confused, a lot of people didn't follow Middle 0.59

00:12:47.820 East issues that closely prior or look into some of those things, but it seems the anti-Semites

00:12:53.580 feel if they can just cloak the word Jew and call it Zionist, they can pretty much express

00:12:59.740 any hateful thing they like. I had that problem with commenters on my show earlier today.

00:13:05.520 Just to define it, because people might not understand what Zionism is. You know,

00:13:10.060 Zionism is the belief that basically that Israel has the right to exist. It believed that 0.64

00:13:14.020 Israel is the holy land for Jews. I mean, that can still encompass a two-state solution or all 0.95

00:13:20.800 sorts of things. But if you agree at its most base level, if you agree that Israel has the right to 0.81

00:13:25.800 exist, at least to some degree, you're supporting Zionism. I 0.89

00:13:30.360 rattled out a quick poll, I know they're limited on Twitter. But

00:13:33.400 I mean, I certainly have some anti Israeli people on my Twitter

00:13:36.400 scroll as well. But asking them, do you agree with Israel's 1.00

00:13:39.920 right to exist? Because everybody keeps saying that. And 0.96

00:13:43.040 well over 90% said yes. So if well over 90% of the population

00:13:47.340 agrees with Israel's right to exist, why are we tolerating 0.50

00:13:50.460 anti Semites to go after Zionists when they attack

00:13:53.320 businesses when they attack indigo books even for crying out loud again can't trudeau stand up find

00:13:58.800 a backbone and speak out against that even yeah and has anybody been arrested uh you know all

00:14:04.120 this hate speech and stuff to be fair there was a calgary uh one at one of the pro-hammas

00:14:08.780 protests that got arrested yes i forgot about that it's an exception it seems yeah i mean it's

00:14:15.660 it's one you know your your poll shows 90 i you know it's probably that high across canada in

00:14:21.980 terms of Canadians who think Israel has a right to exist. Again, it's the silent majority who

00:14:27.600 are making the most noise, as they seem to on every social issue these days.

00:14:32.520 Well, yeah, and platitudes. I mean, Prime Minister Trudeau often says, Israel has the

00:14:36.040 right to defend itself. Okay, good, we can agree there. Well, what does that right look like then, 0.67

00:14:40.100 Prime Minister Trudeau? I mean, the hospital, as Dave was saying, has been exposed to that

00:14:45.180 one of the things not if people are asking and pointing out, but if there was no Hamas presence

00:14:50.320 in the hospital, the Israeli soldiers

00:14:52.200 could have just walked right in and checked things out

00:14:54.140 walked right out, they were under fire

00:14:55.880 these weren't patients and doctors picking up

00:14:58.420 rifles and bazookas

00:15:00.200 these were terrorists

00:15:01.940 in the hospital

00:15:03.600 it just seems to make

00:15:06.340 so much sense if he's afraid to condemn it

00:15:08.680 and

00:15:09.060 he just doesn't love

00:15:11.880 no backbone

00:15:13.800 let's call it out, he's got no backbone

00:15:16.340 and right now he's on his new

00:15:18.540 multi-billion dollar

00:15:20.300 airbus or whatever it is flying to san francisco for the apex how is he going embarrass canada

00:15:26.320 there because you know he is oh yeah whenever he goes out of the country you know he's going to

00:15:30.340 embarrass us uh he just everything he touches these days turns turns into a mess sometimes

00:15:38.860 you know you just got to know when your time is up yeah exactly and uh it's it sort of happens 0.90

00:15:45.860 that way you start off slowly you make mistakes people think oh what an idiot you know and then

00:15:50.260 they forget about it but they the next time you make a mistake they remember that you made one

00:15:55.380 before they can't remember the details but he's done it again and after what is it 2015 to

00:16:03.060 it's been a little more than eight years now in fact it was around about november the 4th of 2015

00:16:08.980 when the actual rollover of government took place the election was on october 19th takes you six

00:16:14.500 weeks to get get everything moved over so he's had eight years and in that eight years he has

00:16:21.860 had mistake after mistake after embarrassment after scandal scandal ethics violations i think

00:16:29.460 people are finally finally done with it yeah now this comes on and where before he may have had

00:16:38.260 some sympathy from the general public saying well you know what's the poor guy gotta do you know

00:16:43.540 he's the prime minister he can't just be a no they don't uh they don't give him any leeway at

00:16:49.860 all now for you know and there was a new poll out today from abacus showing disapproval rates

00:16:55.780 spiked in the last week and it's now at the highest level ever for trudeau uh

00:17:02.180 even if it was even before all this israel stuff go went he couldn't go anywhere in public without

00:17:07.380 protests you know the anti-vaccine mob various other people he would be mobbed with protesters

00:17:14.740 everywhere he went and then he would vacuously smile and wave as though they were adoring

00:17:21.140 you know adoring followers remember last year we went down to cambridge first he went to tofino

00:17:27.860 but then he went to cameras and uh he was he was made to look a fool there yeah um in my view

00:17:37.460 deservedly so on that particular issue but i he the public has has finally decided that

00:17:45.700 the conservatives were right we campaign saying he's not ready right and he never was never will

00:17:53.620 be and he never will be he has not learned the right lessons from the from the eight years that

00:17:59.620 he's had in office and it just shows well now that we're going into uh it seems that in the

00:18:05.460 last couple of years we have been moving into times that are rather more challenging than the

00:18:11.540 times that you know the few years before and the lack of readiness the lack of um

00:18:18.340 I would have to say the lack of intelligence, certainly the lack of wisdom, two aren't necessarily

00:18:24.840 the same thing, but the lack of wisdom is really shining through. The big question now is will

00:18:30.940 the Liberal Party allow him to stay there for the next election? Because if they do,

00:18:36.480 the polls show they'll be decimated. The clock is ticking on them, too. I mean,

00:18:41.460 you know, when you're talking about running a leadership race, allowing a new leader to

00:18:45.680 establish themselves. They did appoint recently election chairs. I know they're working to get

00:18:55.200 their people in place in writing. So I just think the way that he so vehemently argues with

00:19:04.140 Polyev in question period, he thinks in his mind that he can beat Polyev. And I think he's going

00:19:09.860 to give it a go. And he's going to have to be forced out. He's not going to take a walk in the

00:19:14.100 snow like some politicians did he's going to need to be dragged out of there kicking and screaming

00:19:20.260 kind of like trump was i guess from the oval office a number of them go that way yeah he's

00:19:26.100 going to be half task he'll have to be dragged out of there they all have a hard time reading

00:19:29.780 the writing on the wall it took even with ralph klein until his own party you know voted 60 i

00:19:34.620 believe it was to realize okay i've overstayed my welcome kretchen was he was starting to get a

00:19:39.220 little thin on party support by the time he got out of there too the unofficial races were getting

00:19:43.560 out under his feet it's just the nature i guess of politicians once they get in they they've

00:19:48.520 realized they've hit the apex of their career and they don't want to say goodbye to it without a

00:19:52.520 foot to their rear end i guess well hopefully the trudeau's venture to san francisco we know he'll

00:19:59.080 do something stupid but let's hope it's just something like something hanging out of his

00:20:01.960 nose during a press conference or something and not something that'll damage our international

00:20:06.040 reputation it'd be more like wearing a cowboy hat in california and kick shoes when you're in texas

00:20:12.600 just sort of the india trip that comes to mind is have you oh yeah hey but you know he could hit uh

00:20:20.360 some good surfing down there yeah there's a lot of great white sharks a lot of great white sharks

00:20:25.960 i think the waves are bigger than tofino so he headed out there i i know what you guys are

00:20:32.280 thinking and i don't i don't wish him between the jewels of the shark oh no i just wish him gone

00:20:39.080 from this just around this coat brown to rattle him up you know with a fin behind him i don't

00:20:44.680 want to see him actually chomped there were rumors he missed a lot of the g20 meters and uh you know

00:20:51.400 like i'm just saying if he goes surfing that's time he's not embarrassing time that he can't

00:20:55.720 yeah that's true i understand he's quite a competent surfer so he might even actually

00:20:59.720 surf away justin please go surfing make us look good do it for all of us establishes surfing

00:21:06.200 circuit for his next career you know what i want to step out you know that's the thing isn't it

00:21:11.400 what does he do next maybe this is one of the reasons why like just to sort of step back and

00:21:16.120 look at this man he's just his marriage has come to a very public end and nothing in it looks very

00:21:21.880 pretty he has lost total public support in canada you mentioned the polls they've been going like

00:21:27.880 that and um on a purely personal point of view this must be a really dark a dark place for him

00:21:34.360 at the moment and i mean a lot of other prime ministers you know they'd be a lawyer or they've

00:21:38.520 got a bunch of directorships and things to look forward to afterwards uh the speaking circuit

00:21:43.400 perhaps for for turnover there's no much else come on guys boohoo this is a guy with millions

00:21:48.920 and millions of dollars in the bag well i just i mean who amongst us hasn't gone through a breakup

00:21:53.880 what keeps him from wanting to leave is oh sure yeah i mean he's not going to get he's not going

00:21:58.200 to get the corporate not going to get the corporate uh gigs uh let's say jason kenney

00:22:02.920 got immediately after he retired uh but you know he could make uh 40 50 000 a speech somewhere over

00:22:10.200 in europe all he's gone is the limo and the private jet right now yeah enough and the chef

00:22:16.120 and the house once those things are gone then he's level you know but the papers on limo and private

00:22:23.880 chef yeah that's uh it's uh it's an interesting time for him but it's also an interesting time

00:22:31.560 for the country and could you please move on yes okay well moving on let's see we got to get more

00:22:37.720 into alberta but i mean it reflects i think in a lot of provinces and looking back i guess you

00:22:42.680 know the the report on the the provincial response to the coveted pandemic what was right what was

00:22:48.760 wrong uh dave what did you just catch out of that report from uh mr manning yeah this is a report

00:22:57.480 uh demanded by yeah there's a report uh demanded by uh premier uh any at the time uh two million

00:23:06.200 dollars went in it probably the easiest quarter million that uh preston's ever made in his life

00:23:11.720 but uh they they came out with a report today with three main specifics the first

00:23:17.640 strengthen the alberta emergency management agency and basically in any sort of provincial emergency

00:23:23.960 they would be the go-to guys uh have lots of scientific advisors you know have a chief

00:23:29.240 scientific advisor and one of the things that the the panel said is reject school closures

00:23:36.120 no more school school closures unless it's an extreme crisis and in that case close them but

00:23:43.640 get them open again as quickly as possible uh the second one was uh protect basic human rights and

00:23:51.320 freedoms seems kind of obvious but some of them were a bit uh hindered during the during the last

00:23:57.320 pandemic and the last recommendation was to increase health care capacity uh during emergencies

00:24:04.200 and pandemics you know this is the what you know what we would know was known as the surge you know

00:24:09.640 a surge when uh you know you get a whole bunch of patients at once and hospitals can't cope

00:24:14.600 so they were uh and they they said yes the government has already started to move in that

00:24:20.280 in that direction so i mean nothing nothing shocking in the report nigel um you see anything

00:24:27.640 well actually i won't call it shocking because it ought to be standard but it's a very different

00:24:34.040 report than what i would have expected to come from a panel appointed by a different party

00:24:42.440 and putting preston manning there i think was a master stroke because

00:24:46.920 he gets right down to the heart of what upset so many people in this in this province during the

00:24:56.520 which was the authoritarian character of of the government response and if i may just read this

00:25:08.240 the temptation is for democratic societies to increasingly imitate the authoritarian model

00:25:17.500 in their responses to emergencies. This is what other people were trying to do,

00:25:24.120 and you can sure see it in Quebec, you could see it in Ontario, and you could see it in Alberta.

00:25:30.860 so that is the temptation to bring the experts in let the experts tell you what to do

00:25:38.260 and then mild weekly go off and do it so he continues from that and says that

00:25:47.440 he shouldn't the panel shouldn't actually it's beyond the scope and capability to thoroughly

00:25:55.800 analyzed what needs to be done to ensure that the governance model followed by Alberta is

00:26:02.500 democratic, not authoritative. And then he says very emphatically, suffice it to say that at a

00:26:08.700 minimum, a democratic government response should be characterized by a more meaningful role for

00:26:15.440 the elected assembly. Transparency, full public disclosure of the who, what, why, of why things

00:26:23.740 being done regular feedback from the public with the aim of rapid correction of mistakes

00:26:31.020 on the ground noting that such traditional feedback mechanisms often broke down during the

00:26:39.420 covid epidemic so this is this is a a recommendation of a very open

00:26:51.180 responsive government that is listening to people and is aware that they do actually have rights

00:26:59.100 and that once the once there's a civil emergency the rights don't just evaporate

00:27:05.420 how do you preserve people's rights he asks the question and then he provides the answer

00:27:12.460 as you described and the one thing that i've sort of thought myself well it's a pity we

00:27:20.860 like why did we do this anyway his first recommendation is that to strengthen the

00:27:27.100 alberta emergency management agency through legislative amendments and budgetary provisions

00:27:32.940 okay uh to make it the lead government agency responding to any future emergencies well it

00:27:40.140 always was and we had we had an emergency plan and the first thing they did you'll remember this

00:27:48.140 because you wrote about it even before i worked here i read you and you were saying that the

00:27:55.020 first thing they did was throw the plan away as did every other province and the federal government

00:28:01.100 by the way suddenly this oh you know what do we do we had an excellent plan in in this province

00:28:08.460 and it was just ignored now they're saying we need to get a plan so the thing is how do you

00:28:12.300 get people to stick to it yeah and i'm his name's escaping you know because i've had him on the show

00:28:17.900 and then we'd spoken because he was quite frustrated and furious put a lot into that

00:28:22.140 i mean you can't plan for everything but you try your hardest and you put something together and

00:28:25.740 then when you just ignore it and fly by the seat of your pants which you know contributed to the

00:28:30.300 fate of Kenny, I think, in some ways. What I was kind of hoping for, though, and it kind of seems

00:28:34.940 a little back and forth in some ways, as we're looking in hindsight, that was clarifying who's

00:28:39.180 the authority when it comes to the big decisions. We saw court cases now that were thrown out

00:28:44.460 because they would bat it back and forth. Well, it's Dina Hinshaw who brought this in. Well, 1.00

00:28:47.900 no, it wasn't Dina Hinshaw. It was Premier Kenny who brought this in. In this case,

00:28:51.660 it's talking about empowering the experts, but at the same time, empowering the legislature.

00:28:55.660 well i think it means they're taking the power out of the doctor's hands and they're giving it

00:29:00.700 to elected officials yeah no you're absolutely right so flexibility should land on them so if

00:29:05.980 the emergency happens tomorrow it's daniel smith's problem to deal with that's that's the kind of

00:29:11.020 clarity we i think we need to see now and looking back because it it i think cost faith from the

00:29:16.620 the citizenship when they'd see both sides kind of finger pointing at each other whenever things

00:29:21.180 went badly or another side would take great credit when you know when when numbers would go down

00:29:26.060 premier kenny would come out and say it was our government actions and when the numbers would go

00:29:29.020 up all that was a dina hinshaw i mean as a piece of prose this is about as interesting as a long

00:29:35.020 drink of warm water okay so it's not like people are going to be downloading it sitting up at night

00:29:40.140 by candlelight reading it but i will say this that anybody who does take the trouble to do that

00:29:45.900 If they were on the right side of the issue during the COVID, during the COVID years,

00:29:52.140 they're going to take great encouragement that this has been written and I would have to hope

00:29:57.740 that will be adopted by the government of Alberta. Well, an interesting thing because it was one of

00:30:02.460 the dumbest moves of them all was that the school shutdowns, the playground shutdowns. I mean,

00:30:06.860 a year into it, we had some pretty solid evidence that whatever things COVID may be,

00:30:12.140 children thankfully if they didn't have a bunch of other conditions were virtually immune from it

00:30:16.060 they were not at risk it was not killing kids so it should have been the last place that we'd

00:30:21.260 be shutting down we've we got a break on this you know let's embrace that and and carry on with

00:30:27.020 their education and let them play basketball and skateboard and play hockey but we didn't do that

00:30:31.580 but we might not be so lucky with the next one so we got to be a little careful too i mean the

00:30:34.780 spanish flu for example decimated children if we had something like that that was infectious and

00:30:39.820 really harming children, then closing schools would make sense. The problem with this one,

00:30:44.460 Corey, was it was an overreaction. I remember Premier Kenney talking about having to put body

00:30:49.900 bags at McMahon Stadium. Yes. Right? I mean, come on. Or the emergency hospitals. Emergency hospital,

00:30:55.660 the field hospitals. That was an SNC level and scam too, I think. But yeah, you obviously got to,

00:31:02.780 you have to watch with interest, watch with concern, see what's happening, and then make

00:31:07.500 your decisions back at the start of the covet pandemic every government overreacted at the

00:31:13.340 same time and it became a mess across the country so let's just remember why that happened dave

00:31:20.460 everybody was if you read the testimony given by teresa tam in february of 2020 before it was

00:31:31.340 declared an emergency she actually had a pretty good handle on what this was going to look like

00:31:39.500 she told the the parliamentary health committee that this was something that was going to affect

00:31:45.980 older people more than younger people and that that is where they should be focusing their

00:31:51.580 efforts so that was in february then came march and an epidemiologist in london named dr neil

00:32:01.180 ferguson yes remember i know as well okay and he came out and said we're all going to die in three

00:32:08.620 months he's got a long track record of bad predictions already but somehow or other he is

00:32:13.500 still the go-to guy for a situation like that and it so rattled the governments of canada and every

00:32:21.500 other country by the way that that all thought and reason was lost we were not the only province

00:32:31.020 that had a plan and abandoned it others did too spectacularly the federal government did and it

00:32:39.420 also forgot everything that teresa tam had said before the thing was declared an outbreak she was

00:32:46.540 even saying masks aren't going to do you any good and she handled on to that for probably six or

00:32:51.900 eight weeks after the declaration until finally i think so i'm i'm speculating here but i think

00:32:58.060 somebody said, look, you either fall in line on this, or we can find ourselves a new chief public

00:33:04.660 health officer, because this is the narrative. This is what we've committed ourselves to.

00:33:09.020 Politically, we are now on this. Well, and something else that came out that was strange,

00:33:15.240 and I think they're kind of talking around or addressing it, we canonized our health experts

00:33:20.080 in every province has their chief medical officer, federal. We'd never heard of them before. I mean,

00:33:24.980 were usually chasing herpes outbreaks at school proms or something it wasn't really a a big status

00:33:30.020 thing they were the ones who ate alone in the corner of the legislative cafe uh in the mornings

00:33:34.180 you know a well-paying position an important one but not a high profile one and i remember t-shirts

00:33:39.220 of of dina hinshaw going around and i think that the pei health officer they had one with her with 0.98

00:33:44.740 a a superman outfit flying these are bureaucrats we shouldn't be turning them into heroes and plus 0.98

00:33:51.060 it can impact their decision-making. I mean, some of them, I think, sort of learn to embrace that

00:33:57.540 sudden attention and importance and spotlight. But you know, Corey, that so often happens when

00:34:03.380 there is a crisis. Say there's a war, what happens? The people who you never agreed with,

00:34:08.740 not everybody liked Churchill in 1938, but in 1940, everybody was on side with him.

00:34:14.980 what happened well there was a war we needed a hero and so you now have a crisis we need some

00:34:22.340 heroes for people to fall in behind and there were various other ways in which that with the public

00:34:29.380 relations effort we're all in this together it's just like the second world war you know we've um

00:34:35.700 we you look out for me i'll look out for you uh the little slogans that we said

00:34:41.860 that were all designed, it was like the home front, you know?

00:34:48.340 Yeah, just unlikely figures, though,

00:34:50.620 still as opposed to political ones.

00:34:52.020 And so these people came forward,

00:34:53.360 and we allowed them to be canonized, as you say.

00:34:57.700 I'm not saying they're incompetent, stupid, or anything,

00:35:00.220 but it just was not the role.

00:35:01.920 That's what I mean.

00:35:02.440 I'd rather that they stuck to their role

00:35:04.680 of generating the charts, the graphs,

00:35:07.180 and providing the sort of evidence that that was their specialty

00:35:10.100 rather than being the public face.

00:35:12.280 Yeah, well, now you've nailed it, Corey.

00:35:15.140 That was the whole thing.

00:35:16.060 As long as they were the public face of this, the politicians didn't have to be.

00:35:19.780 And they could hide from some of the responsibility.

00:35:23.100 They either were strange times, and that's what this report's about.

00:35:25.320 So what he's saying is the politicians need to be front of the center on this thing.

00:35:29.140 Good for Preston.

00:35:30.000 And take some responsibility, too.

00:35:31.480 That's good. 0.91

00:35:32.380 And again, I mean, some of the T-shirts might have sold, but at least Dina Hinshaw's bangs never caught on,

00:35:36.660 so we didn't have to look at those around the streets.

00:35:39.180 There's one for sale in the thrift shop just down near where I live.

00:35:42.060 Do you want me to pick it up for you?

00:35:42.880 I would.

00:35:43.940 Do you have a Hinshaw shirt or her bangs?

00:35:47.100 No, what's her name?

00:35:48.140 Bonnie Henry. 0.67

00:35:48.780 Oh, Bonnie Henry.

00:35:49.420 Okay, the VC version.

00:35:50.900 Yeah, I think it was just kind of a strange times all around,

00:35:54.560 and we're still trying to figure it out.

00:35:56.040 Well, let me know what size you are later.

00:35:57.920 It's growing.

00:35:59.320 All right, so finally, a little darker, unfortunately,

00:36:02.900 actually a lot darker.

00:36:04.080 Well, that's a dark subject as well. 0.62

00:36:06.900 We've got a gang war breaking out.

00:36:08.340 There's no doubt about it, and the age of the participants is just terrifying.

00:36:13.940 Yeah, it's been going on for years in the lower mainland,

00:36:17.200 mainly between the United Nations gang and another gang called Brothers Keepers.

00:36:22.280 They've been killing each other for years down there, but now it's spreading, spreading across Canada.

00:36:28.360 This week we saw a gang killing in Toronto.

00:36:32.360 A couple days later you had the awful scene of an 11-year-old murdered deliberately

00:36:37.380 because he was with his gang-affiliated father.

00:36:41.480 Fortunately, another child who was in the vehicle, not related,

00:36:44.500 was able to escape.

00:36:47.340 This guy was affiliated to, I believe it was the UN gang in Vancouver,

00:36:52.440 and he was the target of an assassination attempt in 2022.

00:36:57.440 He was sitting at a restaurant with his family.

00:36:59.640 Somebody opened fire, and he escaped this time.

00:37:03.160 So he was obviously living on borrowed time,

00:37:05.600 and a gunman in a BMW, followed him, shot him as he arrived at a fast food outlet,

00:37:14.120 fled, and then as gangsters do, they set the car on fire and escaped.

00:37:19.500 Very difficult for the police to solve these type of crimes

00:37:22.640 because nobody will help them if witnesses want nothing to do with it.

00:37:27.500 A couple of days later, we have a shooting in broad daylight

00:37:31.520 in Calgary's Marlborough area, Marlborough Park, at a shopping center parking lot, where a man is

00:37:37.500 gunned down in his vehicle. Two other people associated with that vehicle were hit, taken to

00:37:43.920 hospital in critical condition. What happened there was the bad guys fled. Citizens at the scene

00:37:53.160 were quickly able to give police a description, and the Hawks helicopter picked them up,

00:37:57.740 driving rapidly across the city to Chinook Center.

00:38:03.960 And then the Hawks was able to follow them as they went to a house in Dover.

00:38:09.040 Attack team surrounded the house.

00:38:10.860 They took the gunman into custody, seized all that sort of stuff.

00:38:15.900 Shocking news the next day, the gunman, the hitman, 14 years old.

00:38:21.420 He's arrested and charged with first-degree murder.

00:38:24.000 his brother 18 charged with being an accessory after the fact and it's all linked to this this

00:38:31.220 gang warfare so not only do we have 11 year olds getting killed there are 14 year olds as the hit

00:38:38.000 man i mean it's out of control guys it's out of control it's tit for tat retaliation and it's

00:38:44.660 only going to continue it's only going to get worse and mark my words i hate to say it an

00:38:49.620 innocent person's going to get killed one day. Just like they did in the rock machine and the

00:38:56.060 Hells Angels were battling in Montreal. You've covered a lot of this over a lot of years. When

00:38:59.740 these criminals go at it, they're not terribly discriminating about who else might get caught

00:39:04.360 in the crossfire. It's just a matter of time. Especially, again, if they're... I wouldn't

00:39:09.340 imagine one of these gangsters in their 30s is a smart person or a good person, but they might be

00:39:15.840 little more controlled when they're putting guns in the hands of 14 year olds well that's actually

00:39:20.320 smart well avoiding charges and such yes the 14 year old i mean he will face consequences but it's

00:39:27.760 nothing like what you would face if you were not 14 but 34 in which case you would be looking at

00:39:33.920 significant jail time and all goes with it this kid will maybe they're smart the the 18 year old

00:39:39.920 brother says okay sunshine you're going to be the killer because you can only do three years

00:39:45.680 If I'm the killer, I do 25.

00:39:47.660 I'm only going to get six or seven.

00:39:49.360 We'll be out at the same time together, and then we'll be gang hierarchy.

00:39:53.780 I mean, yeah, but you've damaged a 14-year-old kid for life.

00:39:58.240 Yeah, but look, the business they're in, they're damaging.

00:40:02.760 How many people die from illegal drugs?

00:40:06.620 We've seen that in Los Angeles, too.

00:40:08.400 I mean, the Crips, the Bloods, the apex of their gang wars in the 80s and 90s,

00:40:13.440 They were often 15, 16, 17-year-old kids who were participating and targeted in those.

00:40:19.220 Yeah, and the Vancouver police, I think it was last year, they put out a big picture of the top 10 gangsters in town.

00:40:26.080 And they said, stay away from these people.

00:40:28.740 These people are targets and they're going to get shot.

00:40:31.420 So if you see this guy and you're sitting in the same restaurant as him, get up and leave.

00:40:35.520 Because you don't know where the bullets are going to fly.

00:40:37.880 And it's, you know, once you're in the gang, you can't get out.

00:40:41.120 And, you know, there's families in Vancouver who have lost multiple children to this gang warfare,

00:40:48.840 shot by the opposite side.

00:40:51.800 Is it true, or is it just one of those things that we like to believe,

00:40:56.180 that there was sort of a code in criminal organizations that business is business,

00:41:02.520 and we, you know, we kill each other, but we leave the women and the children out of it.

00:41:06.020 No, that is definitely true, and the line was crossed a few months ago in Montreal when the wife of a reputed mafia gangster was shot and killed in Montreal.

00:41:19.500 And the Edmonton police, in their press conference, a couple days ago said, yeah, the code has been violated here.

00:41:26.260 Normally the kids are left alone.

00:41:28.400 And it wasn't the case, Corey, that this kid got just caught in the crossfire.

00:41:32.920 No, he was intentionally targeted, shot deliberately because he was so associated with the gangster.

00:41:39.860 So that's a concern now.

00:41:41.360 It's that once that line is being crossed, I'm not sure they're going to retaliate crossing the same line.

00:41:48.120 We've only got, you know, five, six minutes on a huge subject.

00:41:51.900 They didn't leave us enough time.

00:41:53.060 But I mean, this all ties in.

00:41:54.420 It almost always ties into drug trade and the opioid epidemic where there's money, the gangsters are going to follow.

00:42:00.560 you know where there's drugs the gangsters are going to follow uh but how do we fix that you

00:42:06.860 know that gets on to where the the legalization people say well if government was the drug dealer

00:42:11.020 it would put these guys out of business i i think that's a simplistic and dangerous way to look at

00:42:15.980 it the thing you have to look at is these are just the street level guys right there's an entire

00:42:20.500 hierarchy and then hierarchy and another hierarchy probably topped off with the mexican cartels

00:42:27.500 Arthur had reported ties.

00:42:28.840 Yeah, we had that exclusively earlier this year.

00:42:31.200 But they've been here for a while.

00:42:32.640 They're entrenched, but you don't hear from them.

00:42:36.200 You know, you don't have Mexican nationals arrested shooting people on the streets of Calgary. 0.89

00:42:40.660 They assign that work to the lower gangs. 0.94

00:42:45.000 And, you know, it is a case.

00:42:47.720 It's almost like a terrorist network.

00:42:49.480 You've got cells, right?

00:42:51.220 So, you know, if one cell gets arrested, they can't bring down the rest of the gang.

00:42:56.200 so it's very very tough for police officers um calgary police got lucky this time because they

00:43:02.440 got a good witness description and they were able to follow the killers edmonton police

00:43:08.680 have made no arrests it's gonna be a very very difficult case for them

00:43:12.200 them to solve it they're they're just not easy they're the upper hierarchy of the gangs they're

00:43:18.040 not fools they're in it they're in it to make money they're already very rich and they want to

00:43:22.280 keep getting retro and you know to to the point of the people who say well if you leave if if you

00:43:27.800 make the government the drug dealer then you remove the profit from it then it goes away

00:43:35.160 well maybe to some degree that's what we know we're going to hear we did that with marijuana

00:43:42.680 so now the the the fight on the street is over drugs that are even deadlier okay let's take

00:43:49.960 let's have supervised injection sites take all of it so then they move on to something else

00:43:55.960 they are in the business of criminality and that is yeah i saw i read something yesterday on

00:44:03.240 the gummies that are legal the manufacturers want to increase the potency of the gummies

00:44:10.040 because the ones that are sold on the street are much higher potency much higher high well yeah so

00:44:16.040 you know even though it's illegal you're going to go for that one aren't you well and the issue

00:44:19.160 we're seeing on the west coast too where they're having dispensaries and they're handing out free

00:44:22.840 hard drugs to uh addicts but all the addicts are doing is getting reported more and more although

00:44:28.040 they're trying their hardest to hide it we'll have to do another show on that but it's they

00:44:31.720 will grab those they don't want those it doesn't give them a good enough high they sell those to

00:44:35.880 often new addicts or kids so that they could trade them up for harder drugs again from the

00:44:40.680 gangs and criminals so i mean legalization is a simplistic approach it just doesn't work you know

00:44:45.400 and even without legalization you think back about 15 years ago when the story was on the 34th floor

00:44:53.640 at five o'clock when he slipped into the stock room and cut some cocaine you know

00:45:01.080 very rich people were doing these drugs and therefore enabling the street level guys to

00:45:07.080 make a living so who actually who actually is responsible in that situation the customer

00:45:16.760 or the dealer because we always spend our time going after the dealers

00:45:22.280 if you can get the demand out the dealers are gone that's right so maybe the treatment and

00:45:27.000 this sounds horribly simplistic and i know it's never going to happen but frankly the

00:45:32.040 remember that high school advice that they were giving out a few years just say no to drugs

00:45:35.800 Yeah, Nancy Reagan. 0.99

00:45:37.020 Nancy Reagan, that was a bit of a failure.

00:45:38.820 Well, it was a failure, but she wasn't wrong.

00:45:42.400 No, if we can try and find ways to reduce the demand

00:45:44.860 or treatment or other things.

00:45:46.180 Well, we've run out of time.

00:45:48.000 And as I said, that's a big, big issue.

00:45:50.240 But hopefully we just aren't seeing

00:45:51.420 as many tragic shootings.

00:45:52.760 And as Dave said, it's probably just a matter of time,

00:45:54.920 but we can still hope that we don't see

00:45:56.820 any more innocent people anyways

00:45:58.180 get caught in a crossfire before somehow there's resolution.

00:46:02.180 Well, thank you very much for joining me today, guys.

00:46:05.480 it's good to be here quite solve the world's problems but we spoke on some of them and

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The Pipeline： Food for thought but nothing to eat for Trudeau

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