The Pipeline： Food for thought but nothing to eat for Trudeau
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Join us as we discuss the latest in the world of politics and current events, including the recent shooting of a woman in the face by her own police officer, and the ongoing protests across the country against Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
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association okay let's get to it there's the three of us here today i'll start from the end
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and work my way towards myself even though nigel's already dramatic i see the glasses are taken off
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all around already we've got our news editor dave naylor at the end of the table welcome to this
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week's show, Dave. Thank you, Corey. I don't know if you quite have the gravitas that Mr. Hannaford
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can add to it. But yes, and then our opinion editor, Nigel Hannaford here today, as always.
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Good to see you, Corey. Yes. Great call this morning. Great rant. Thanks. I really
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had to get it out of my system. Some things need to be said. And yeah, they can certainly
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get the vein pulsing in the side of my head poor jane you know it's kicking out of the house go go
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go do a show i don't hear about it anymore she's sick but uh oh that's what she told you what to
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say it depends on what we're talking about the social uh social environments things like that
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where i am quite uh challenged jane's advice is well taken and i'll just shut up and do as i'm
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sad but you know when it comes to the political rants i still keep my little corner of things
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You know, we don't often, as you said earlier, feel terribly sorry for Prime Minister Trudeau,
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but things are kind of getting a little rough for him.
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Talk about kicking the guy when he's down, but he's the author of his own demise.
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started yesterday in Ottawa, where he lectured the Israelis on how they should be conducting
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themselves this after, you know, 1,400 Jewish people were slain in the most horrible ways.
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We don't need to go back into that again. And then Trudeau has the gall to tell Israel how to
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respond. It was met with immediate derision from Benjamin Netanyahu, the leader of Israel,
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who basically told Trudeau to go pound sand, again, showing, I think it just shows how far
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Canada's standing in the world has fallen, Corey, over the last several months, and how basically
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we're sort of out there on an island of incompetence on our own. So Trudeau took the
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government jet out to Vancouver to console himself, thought he'd go out for a nice meal, but
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pro-Palestinian demonstrators found him, started chanting outside that restaurant,
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forced him out there. He went with his tail between his legs to Chinatown, trying to get
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another meal down there, where another mob formed, chanting from the river to the sea.
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More than 100 Vancouver police officers were deployed to protect him. There was a case of a
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man actually punching a female Vancouver police officer right in the face and gouging her eyes.
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He was arrested and taken away. So the temperature is really rising across the country in this issue
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and demonstrations every day. And Trudeau's not helping himself in any way, shape or form.
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Definitely not. Nigel, and you worked in the prime minister's office before, a different prime
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Minister, of course. But diplomatically, I mean, Twitter wasn't as big a thing back then. But I
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mean, for a world leader to take to X to make a response to another world leader, I mean, I think
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that's kind of another level of a middle finger sort of directed towards Justin Trudeau. It wasn't
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an official statement of the Israeli government. It wasn't him making a phone call or even doing
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a press conference. It's like, I'm just going to take three minutes on my keyboard to express my
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disdain for Prime Minister Trudeau and his thoughts and send it out there and we'll consider
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done would you see it as something of an insult i guess in that sense yes it is certainly something
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that wasn't happening 10 years ago those but it never would have with uh with harper because he
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didn't attract that kind of uh he attracted other kinds of uh but he wouldn't wade into uh affairs
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that he wasn't mentally capable of dealing with and that i think that is actually the point that's
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this is what we're seeing playing out here is i say this with some sadness because whether you
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agree with mr trudeau whether you vote for the liberals or you don't you still like to think
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that the office of the prime minister of canada is something that people in the rest of the world
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would take seriously you know if he's got something to say well let's just stop and listen and then
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you know mr trudeau has now reached the point where nobody cares and i just i was just looking
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over some of the comments that he has made that we published you know he he says of the um of the um
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of israel the world is watching boy that's profound yes um you know he he goes on he says um
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the world is witnessing witnessing this the killing of women and children of babies
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this has to stop he didn't actually say it's unacceptable which is the usual word for
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something that he doesn't like but he said this has to stop well yeah you know i guess we would
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all like it to stop and stop right now but um and the violence needs to stop urgently okay
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this is the kind of fatuous comment that actually causes more harm than good because we all know
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that what's your idea sir the answer is he doesn't have one i don't think anybody does the only thing
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is that if you believe as our government does that the state of israel has a right to exist
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then they have no alternative but to eliminate the people who nearly a month ago jumped a wall
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and started killing people indiscriminately in ways too horrifying to describe or to
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keep going over. So you can't go out there in that climate and start saying these feel-good
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statements and expect anybody to take you seriously. Militarily, ceasefire is not an
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option. Nobody's taking him seriously, and that means nobody's taking Canada seriously.
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Well, I think Canadians aren't taking him seriously or respecting him either. I mean,
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He's been pandering, essentially, to the pro-Palestine, or as I would say most often, pro-Hamas mob.
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It gets him chased out of restaurants in Vancouver.
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He hasn't won their love with his mealy-mouthed statements.
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Yeah, it just makes Canada look, you know, we are the weak darling on the world stage now.
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That's why we're not taken seriously in the five eyes security thing.
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That's why we're not in the submarine deals with the Americans and the Australians.
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So, Nigel, what do you think out of this as well?
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I mean, we know the international world has been taking Trudeau less and less seriously,
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basically with every year that he's been in office.
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I mean, he's always kind of been on the outs on the big conferences.
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But again, getting back here, what do they expect him to say?
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What are the pro-Palestine, to give them credit for that name even,
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And what do they expect Prime Minister Trudeau to say?
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I mean, he's certainly pandered enough, in my view, to them, but they want more, obviously,
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Well, look, I mean, they would like nothing less than a full-throated statement of support
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for their point of view, that Israel has no right to exist and that Israel should withdraw
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And, you know, they would like all that, which is very unrealistic because they're never
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And consequently, they're constantly, they're always in this position of being able to confront him and say, well, you haven't said enough, and put him in the position of having to send out the dominoes for supper, you know, like this is not, he's in a no-win position.
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that he has to add every time he speaks to something, you know, there was an atrocity
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committed, again, Vivian Silver, when we found out she was murdered, she was dead. And you know,
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well, it's terrible, you know, may she rest in peace. He says all the right words, but then he
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also always has to follow up. And we're going to fight Islamophobia. Yeah, that had nothing to do
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with this at all. But he always has to tack that on to the end. I haven't seen any I don't know
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there's people expressing prejudice against Muslim people and things are getting heated in general.
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But right now, the more pressing problem we have in Canada is Jewish schools being attacked,
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Jewish businesses being attacked, Jewish individuals being attacked.
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Why does he feel compelled to assert that every time?
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I look at what's going on in Canadian streets now, the mob scenes in Vancouver with police officers being attacked
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and, you know, the hatred, the hate speech going on in Montreal, Toronto.
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And I think back to bouncy castles and honking horns, and they declared the state of emergency for that, the War Measures Act for that.
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And, you know, what are they going to do to try and stop this?
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I mean, what can Trudeau do to calm such a powerful issue on both sides?
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You know, he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
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Certainly the Palestinian side, the Hamas side, this is not spontaneous.
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It's not only here, but we saw what happened in London on Remembrance Day.
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They are conducting a PR campaign worldwide in the name of their cause.
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So in some ways, it's a hard thing for any democratic politician to deal with.
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But because it is such a hard thing and because it is so clearly orchestrated and well thought out by the other side,
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you should know that you can't get away with platitudes.
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you actually do have to take a position and stick with it.
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No, and maybe again, calling out some of the problems. What I'm getting myself tired of,
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and to clarify, because a lot of people seem confused, a lot of people didn't follow Middle
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East issues that closely prior or look into some of those things, but it seems the anti-Semites
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feel if they can just cloak the word Jew and call it Zionist, they can pretty much express
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any hateful thing they like. I had that problem with commenters on my show earlier today.
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Just to define it, because people might not understand what Zionism is. You know,
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Zionism is the belief that basically that Israel has the right to exist. It believed that
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Israel is the holy land for Jews. I mean, that can still encompass a two-state solution or all
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sorts of things. But if you agree at its most base level, if you agree that Israel has the right to
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exist, at least to some degree, you're supporting Zionism. I
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rattled out a quick poll, I know they're limited on Twitter. But
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I mean, I certainly have some anti Israeli people on my Twitter
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scroll as well. But asking them, do you agree with Israel's
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right to exist? Because everybody keeps saying that. And
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well over 90% said yes. So if well over 90% of the population
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agrees with Israel's right to exist, why are we tolerating
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anti Semites to go after Zionists when they attack
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businesses when they attack indigo books even for crying out loud again can't trudeau stand up find
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a backbone and speak out against that even yeah and has anybody been arrested uh you know all
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this hate speech and stuff to be fair there was a calgary uh one at one of the pro-hammas
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protests that got arrested yes i forgot about that it's an exception it seems yeah i mean it's
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it's one you know your your poll shows 90 i you know it's probably that high across canada in
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terms of Canadians who think Israel has a right to exist. Again, it's the silent majority who
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are making the most noise, as they seem to on every social issue these days.
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Well, yeah, and platitudes. I mean, Prime Minister Trudeau often says, Israel has the
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right to defend itself. Okay, good, we can agree there. Well, what does that right look like then,
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Prime Minister Trudeau? I mean, the hospital, as Dave was saying, has been exposed to that
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one of the things not if people are asking and pointing out, but if there was no Hamas presence
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could have just walked right in and checked things out
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airbus or whatever it is flying to san francisco for the apex how is he going embarrass canada
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there because you know he is oh yeah whenever he goes out of the country you know he's going to
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embarrass us uh he just everything he touches these days turns turns into a mess sometimes
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you know you just got to know when your time is up yeah exactly and uh it's it sort of happens
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that way you start off slowly you make mistakes people think oh what an idiot you know and then
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they forget about it but they the next time you make a mistake they remember that you made one
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before they can't remember the details but he's done it again and after what is it 2015 to
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it's been a little more than eight years now in fact it was around about november the 4th of 2015
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when the actual rollover of government took place the election was on october 19th takes you six
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weeks to get get everything moved over so he's had eight years and in that eight years he has
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had mistake after mistake after embarrassment after scandal scandal ethics violations i think
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people are finally finally done with it yeah now this comes on and where before he may have had
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some sympathy from the general public saying well you know what's the poor guy gotta do you know
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he's the prime minister he can't just be a no they don't uh they don't give him any leeway at
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all now for you know and there was a new poll out today from abacus showing disapproval rates
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spiked in the last week and it's now at the highest level ever for trudeau uh
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even if it was even before all this israel stuff go went he couldn't go anywhere in public without
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protests you know the anti-vaccine mob various other people he would be mobbed with protesters
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everywhere he went and then he would vacuously smile and wave as though they were adoring
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you know adoring followers remember last year we went down to cambridge first he went to tofino
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but then he went to cameras and uh he was he was made to look a fool there yeah um in my view
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deservedly so on that particular issue but i he the public has has finally decided that
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the conservatives were right we campaign saying he's not ready right and he never was never will
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be and he never will be he has not learned the right lessons from the from the eight years that
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he's had in office and it just shows well now that we're going into uh it seems that in the
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last couple of years we have been moving into times that are rather more challenging than the
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times that you know the few years before and the lack of readiness the lack of um
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I would have to say the lack of intelligence, certainly the lack of wisdom, two aren't necessarily
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the same thing, but the lack of wisdom is really shining through. The big question now is will
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the Liberal Party allow him to stay there for the next election? Because if they do,
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the polls show they'll be decimated. The clock is ticking on them, too. I mean,
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you know, when you're talking about running a leadership race, allowing a new leader to
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establish themselves. They did appoint recently election chairs. I know they're working to get
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their people in place in writing. So I just think the way that he so vehemently argues with
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Polyev in question period, he thinks in his mind that he can beat Polyev. And I think he's going
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to give it a go. And he's going to have to be forced out. He's not going to take a walk in the
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snow like some politicians did he's going to need to be dragged out of there kicking and screaming
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kind of like trump was i guess from the oval office a number of them go that way yeah he's
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going to be half task he'll have to be dragged out of there they all have a hard time reading
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the writing on the wall it took even with ralph klein until his own party you know voted 60 i
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believe it was to realize okay i've overstayed my welcome kretchen was he was starting to get a
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little thin on party support by the time he got out of there too the unofficial races were getting
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out under his feet it's just the nature i guess of politicians once they get in they they've
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realized they've hit the apex of their career and they don't want to say goodbye to it without a
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foot to their rear end i guess well hopefully the trudeau's venture to san francisco we know he'll
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do something stupid but let's hope it's just something like something hanging out of his
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nose during a press conference or something and not something that'll damage our international
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reputation it'd be more like wearing a cowboy hat in california and kick shoes when you're in texas
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just sort of the india trip that comes to mind is have you oh yeah hey but you know he could hit uh
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some good surfing down there yeah there's a lot of great white sharks a lot of great white sharks
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i think the waves are bigger than tofino so he headed out there i i know what you guys are
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thinking and i don't i don't wish him between the jewels of the shark oh no i just wish him gone
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from this just around this coat brown to rattle him up you know with a fin behind him i don't
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want to see him actually chomped there were rumors he missed a lot of the g20 meters and uh you know
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like i'm just saying if he goes surfing that's time he's not embarrassing time that he can't
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yeah that's true i understand he's quite a competent surfer so he might even actually
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surf away justin please go surfing make us look good do it for all of us establishes surfing
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circuit for his next career you know what i want to step out you know that's the thing isn't it
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what does he do next maybe this is one of the reasons why like just to sort of step back and
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look at this man he's just his marriage has come to a very public end and nothing in it looks very
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pretty he has lost total public support in canada you mentioned the polls they've been going like
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that and um on a purely personal point of view this must be a really dark a dark place for him
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at the moment and i mean a lot of other prime ministers you know they'd be a lawyer or they've
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got a bunch of directorships and things to look forward to afterwards uh the speaking circuit
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perhaps for for turnover there's no much else come on guys boohoo this is a guy with millions
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and millions of dollars in the bag well i just i mean who amongst us hasn't gone through a breakup
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what keeps him from wanting to leave is oh sure yeah i mean he's not going to get he's not going
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to get the corporate not going to get the corporate uh gigs uh let's say jason kenney
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got immediately after he retired uh but you know he could make uh 40 50 000 a speech somewhere over
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in europe all he's gone is the limo and the private jet right now yeah enough and the chef
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and the house once those things are gone then he's level you know but the papers on limo and private
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chef yeah that's uh it's uh it's an interesting time for him but it's also an interesting time
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for the country and could you please move on yes okay well moving on let's see we got to get more
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into alberta but i mean it reflects i think in a lot of provinces and looking back i guess you
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know the the report on the the provincial response to the coveted pandemic what was right what was
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wrong uh dave what did you just catch out of that report from uh mr manning yeah this is a report
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uh demanded by yeah there's a report uh demanded by uh premier uh any at the time uh two million
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dollars went in it probably the easiest quarter million that uh preston's ever made in his life
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but uh they they came out with a report today with three main specifics the first
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strengthen the alberta emergency management agency and basically in any sort of provincial emergency
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they would be the go-to guys uh have lots of scientific advisors you know have a chief
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scientific advisor and one of the things that the the panel said is reject school closures
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no more school school closures unless it's an extreme crisis and in that case close them but
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get them open again as quickly as possible uh the second one was uh protect basic human rights and
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freedoms seems kind of obvious but some of them were a bit uh hindered during the during the last
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pandemic and the last recommendation was to increase health care capacity uh during emergencies
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and pandemics you know this is the what you know what we would know was known as the surge you know
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a surge when uh you know you get a whole bunch of patients at once and hospitals can't cope
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so they were uh and they they said yes the government has already started to move in that
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in that direction so i mean nothing nothing shocking in the report nigel um you see anything
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well actually i won't call it shocking because it ought to be standard but it's a very different
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report than what i would have expected to come from a panel appointed by a different party
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and putting preston manning there i think was a master stroke because
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he gets right down to the heart of what upset so many people in this in this province during the
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which was the authoritarian character of of the government response and if i may just read this
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the temptation is for democratic societies to increasingly imitate the authoritarian model
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in their responses to emergencies. This is what other people were trying to do,
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and you can sure see it in Quebec, you could see it in Ontario, and you could see it in Alberta.
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so that is the temptation to bring the experts in let the experts tell you what to do
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and then mild weekly go off and do it so he continues from that and says that
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he shouldn't the panel shouldn't actually it's beyond the scope and capability to thoroughly
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analyzed what needs to be done to ensure that the governance model followed by Alberta is
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democratic, not authoritative. And then he says very emphatically, suffice it to say that at a
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minimum, a democratic government response should be characterized by a more meaningful role for
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the elected assembly. Transparency, full public disclosure of the who, what, why, of why things
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being done regular feedback from the public with the aim of rapid correction of mistakes
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on the ground noting that such traditional feedback mechanisms often broke down during the
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covid epidemic so this is this is a a recommendation of a very open
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responsive government that is listening to people and is aware that they do actually have rights
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and that once the once there's a civil emergency the rights don't just evaporate
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how do you preserve people's rights he asks the question and then he provides the answer
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as you described and the one thing that i've sort of thought myself well it's a pity we
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like why did we do this anyway his first recommendation is that to strengthen the
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alberta emergency management agency through legislative amendments and budgetary provisions
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okay uh to make it the lead government agency responding to any future emergencies well it
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always was and we had we had an emergency plan and the first thing they did you'll remember this
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because you wrote about it even before i worked here i read you and you were saying that the
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first thing they did was throw the plan away as did every other province and the federal government
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by the way suddenly this oh you know what do we do we had an excellent plan in in this province
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and it was just ignored now they're saying we need to get a plan so the thing is how do you
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get people to stick to it yeah and i'm his name's escaping you know because i've had him on the show
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and then we'd spoken because he was quite frustrated and furious put a lot into that
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i mean you can't plan for everything but you try your hardest and you put something together and
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then when you just ignore it and fly by the seat of your pants which you know contributed to the
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fate of Kenny, I think, in some ways. What I was kind of hoping for, though, and it kind of seems
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a little back and forth in some ways, as we're looking in hindsight, that was clarifying who's
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the authority when it comes to the big decisions. We saw court cases now that were thrown out
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because they would bat it back and forth. Well, it's Dina Hinshaw who brought this in. Well,
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no, it wasn't Dina Hinshaw. It was Premier Kenny who brought this in. In this case,
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it's talking about empowering the experts, but at the same time, empowering the legislature.
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well i think it means they're taking the power out of the doctor's hands and they're giving it
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to elected officials yeah no you're absolutely right so flexibility should land on them so if
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the emergency happens tomorrow it's daniel smith's problem to deal with that's that's the kind of
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clarity we i think we need to see now and looking back because it it i think cost faith from the
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the citizenship when they'd see both sides kind of finger pointing at each other whenever things
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went badly or another side would take great credit when you know when when numbers would go down
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premier kenny would come out and say it was our government actions and when the numbers would go
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up all that was a dina hinshaw i mean as a piece of prose this is about as interesting as a long
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drink of warm water okay so it's not like people are going to be downloading it sitting up at night
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by candlelight reading it but i will say this that anybody who does take the trouble to do that
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If they were on the right side of the issue during the COVID, during the COVID years,
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they're going to take great encouragement that this has been written and I would have to hope
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that will be adopted by the government of Alberta. Well, an interesting thing because it was one of
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the dumbest moves of them all was that the school shutdowns, the playground shutdowns. I mean,
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a year into it, we had some pretty solid evidence that whatever things COVID may be,
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children thankfully if they didn't have a bunch of other conditions were virtually immune from it
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they were not at risk it was not killing kids so it should have been the last place that we'd
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be shutting down we've we got a break on this you know let's embrace that and and carry on with
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their education and let them play basketball and skateboard and play hockey but we didn't do that
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but we might not be so lucky with the next one so we got to be a little careful too i mean the
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spanish flu for example decimated children if we had something like that that was infectious and
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really harming children, then closing schools would make sense. The problem with this one,
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Corey, was it was an overreaction. I remember Premier Kenney talking about having to put body
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bags at McMahon Stadium. Yes. Right? I mean, come on. Or the emergency hospitals. Emergency hospital,
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the field hospitals. That was an SNC level and scam too, I think. But yeah, you obviously got to,
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you have to watch with interest, watch with concern, see what's happening, and then make
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your decisions back at the start of the covet pandemic every government overreacted at the
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same time and it became a mess across the country so let's just remember why that happened dave
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everybody was if you read the testimony given by teresa tam in february of 2020 before it was
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declared an emergency she actually had a pretty good handle on what this was going to look like
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she told the the parliamentary health committee that this was something that was going to affect
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older people more than younger people and that that is where they should be focusing their
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efforts so that was in february then came march and an epidemiologist in london named dr neil
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ferguson yes remember i know as well okay and he came out and said we're all going to die in three
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months he's got a long track record of bad predictions already but somehow or other he is
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still the go-to guy for a situation like that and it so rattled the governments of canada and every
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other country by the way that that all thought and reason was lost we were not the only province
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that had a plan and abandoned it others did too spectacularly the federal government did and it
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also forgot everything that teresa tam had said before the thing was declared an outbreak she was
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even saying masks aren't going to do you any good and she handled on to that for probably six or
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eight weeks after the declaration until finally i think so i'm i'm speculating here but i think
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somebody said, look, you either fall in line on this, or we can find ourselves a new chief public
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health officer, because this is the narrative. This is what we've committed ourselves to.
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Politically, we are now on this. Well, and something else that came out that was strange,
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and I think they're kind of talking around or addressing it, we canonized our health experts
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in every province has their chief medical officer, federal. We'd never heard of them before. I mean,
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were usually chasing herpes outbreaks at school proms or something it wasn't really a a big status
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thing they were the ones who ate alone in the corner of the legislative cafe uh in the mornings
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you know a well-paying position an important one but not a high profile one and i remember t-shirts
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of of dina hinshaw going around and i think that the pei health officer they had one with her with
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a a superman outfit flying these are bureaucrats we shouldn't be turning them into heroes and plus
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it can impact their decision-making. I mean, some of them, I think, sort of learn to embrace that
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sudden attention and importance and spotlight. But you know, Corey, that so often happens when
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there is a crisis. Say there's a war, what happens? The people who you never agreed with,
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not everybody liked Churchill in 1938, but in 1940, everybody was on side with him.
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what happened well there was a war we needed a hero and so you now have a crisis we need some
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heroes for people to fall in behind and there were various other ways in which that with the public
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relations effort we're all in this together it's just like the second world war you know we've um
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we you look out for me i'll look out for you uh the little slogans that we said
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that were all designed, it was like the home front, you know?
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and we allowed them to be canonized, as you say.
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I'm not saying they're incompetent, stupid, or anything,
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and providing the sort of evidence that that was their specialty
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As long as they were the public face of this, the politicians didn't have to be.
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And they could hide from some of the responsibility.
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They either were strange times, and that's what this report's about.
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So what he's saying is the politicians need to be front of the center on this thing.
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And again, I mean, some of the T-shirts might have sold, but at least Dina Hinshaw's bangs never caught on,
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so we didn't have to look at those around the streets.
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There's one for sale in the thrift shop just down near where I live.
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Yeah, I think it was just kind of a strange times all around,
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All right, so finally, a little darker, unfortunately,
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There's no doubt about it, and the age of the participants is just terrifying.
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Yeah, it's been going on for years in the lower mainland,
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mainly between the United Nations gang and another gang called Brothers Keepers.
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They've been killing each other for years down there, but now it's spreading, spreading across Canada.
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A couple days later you had the awful scene of an 11-year-old murdered deliberately
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because he was with his gang-affiliated father.
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Fortunately, another child who was in the vehicle, not related,
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This guy was affiliated to, I believe it was the UN gang in Vancouver,
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and he was the target of an assassination attempt in 2022.
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He was sitting at a restaurant with his family.
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Somebody opened fire, and he escaped this time.
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and a gunman in a BMW, followed him, shot him as he arrived at a fast food outlet,
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fled, and then as gangsters do, they set the car on fire and escaped.
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Very difficult for the police to solve these type of crimes
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because nobody will help them if witnesses want nothing to do with it.
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A couple of days later, we have a shooting in broad daylight
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in Calgary's Marlborough area, Marlborough Park, at a shopping center parking lot, where a man is
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gunned down in his vehicle. Two other people associated with that vehicle were hit, taken to
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hospital in critical condition. What happened there was the bad guys fled. Citizens at the scene
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were quickly able to give police a description, and the Hawks helicopter picked them up,
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driving rapidly across the city to Chinook Center.
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And then the Hawks was able to follow them as they went to a house in Dover.
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They took the gunman into custody, seized all that sort of stuff.
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Shocking news the next day, the gunman, the hitman, 14 years old.
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He's arrested and charged with first-degree murder.
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his brother 18 charged with being an accessory after the fact and it's all linked to this this
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gang warfare so not only do we have 11 year olds getting killed there are 14 year olds as the hit
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man i mean it's out of control guys it's out of control it's tit for tat retaliation and it's
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only going to continue it's only going to get worse and mark my words i hate to say it an
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innocent person's going to get killed one day. Just like they did in the rock machine and the
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Hells Angels were battling in Montreal. You've covered a lot of this over a lot of years. When
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these criminals go at it, they're not terribly discriminating about who else might get caught
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in the crossfire. It's just a matter of time. Especially, again, if they're... I wouldn't
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imagine one of these gangsters in their 30s is a smart person or a good person, but they might be
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little more controlled when they're putting guns in the hands of 14 year olds well that's actually
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smart well avoiding charges and such yes the 14 year old i mean he will face consequences but it's
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nothing like what you would face if you were not 14 but 34 in which case you would be looking at
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significant jail time and all goes with it this kid will maybe they're smart the the 18 year old
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brother says okay sunshine you're going to be the killer because you can only do three years
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We'll be out at the same time together, and then we'll be gang hierarchy.
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I mean, yeah, but you've damaged a 14-year-old kid for life.
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Yeah, but look, the business they're in, they're damaging.
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I mean, the Crips, the Bloods, the apex of their gang wars in the 80s and 90s,
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They were often 15, 16, 17-year-old kids who were participating and targeted in those.
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Yeah, and the Vancouver police, I think it was last year, they put out a big picture of the top 10 gangsters in town.
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These people are targets and they're going to get shot.
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So if you see this guy and you're sitting in the same restaurant as him, get up and leave.
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Because you don't know where the bullets are going to fly.
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And it's, you know, once you're in the gang, you can't get out.
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And, you know, there's families in Vancouver who have lost multiple children to this gang warfare,
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Is it true, or is it just one of those things that we like to believe,
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that there was sort of a code in criminal organizations that business is business,
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and we, you know, we kill each other, but we leave the women and the children out of it.
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No, that is definitely true, and the line was crossed a few months ago in Montreal when the wife of a reputed mafia gangster was shot and killed in Montreal.
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And the Edmonton police, in their press conference, a couple days ago said, yeah, the code has been violated here.
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And it wasn't the case, Corey, that this kid got just caught in the crossfire.
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No, he was intentionally targeted, shot deliberately because he was so associated with the gangster.
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It's that once that line is being crossed, I'm not sure they're going to retaliate crossing the same line.
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We've only got, you know, five, six minutes on a huge subject.
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It almost always ties into drug trade and the opioid epidemic where there's money, the gangsters are going to follow.
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you know where there's drugs the gangsters are going to follow uh but how do we fix that you
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know that gets on to where the the legalization people say well if government was the drug dealer
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it would put these guys out of business i i think that's a simplistic and dangerous way to look at
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it the thing you have to look at is these are just the street level guys right there's an entire
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hierarchy and then hierarchy and another hierarchy probably topped off with the mexican cartels
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Yeah, we had that exclusively earlier this year.
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They're entrenched, but you don't hear from them.
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You know, you don't have Mexican nationals arrested shooting people on the streets of Calgary.
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So, you know, if one cell gets arrested, they can't bring down the rest of the gang.
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so it's very very tough for police officers um calgary police got lucky this time because they
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got a good witness description and they were able to follow the killers edmonton police
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have made no arrests it's gonna be a very very difficult case for them
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them to solve it they're they're just not easy they're the upper hierarchy of the gangs they're
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not fools they're in it they're in it to make money they're already very rich and they want to
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keep getting retro and you know to to the point of the people who say well if you leave if if you
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make the government the drug dealer then you remove the profit from it then it goes away
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well maybe to some degree that's what we know we're going to hear we did that with marijuana
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so now the the the fight on the street is over drugs that are even deadlier okay let's take
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let's have supervised injection sites take all of it so then they move on to something else
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they are in the business of criminality and that is yeah i saw i read something yesterday on
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the gummies that are legal the manufacturers want to increase the potency of the gummies
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because the ones that are sold on the street are much higher potency much higher high well yeah so
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you know even though it's illegal you're going to go for that one aren't you well and the issue
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we're seeing on the west coast too where they're having dispensaries and they're handing out free
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hard drugs to uh addicts but all the addicts are doing is getting reported more and more although
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they're trying their hardest to hide it we'll have to do another show on that but it's they
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will grab those they don't want those it doesn't give them a good enough high they sell those to
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often new addicts or kids so that they could trade them up for harder drugs again from the
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gangs and criminals so i mean legalization is a simplistic approach it just doesn't work you know
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and even without legalization you think back about 15 years ago when the story was on the 34th floor
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at five o'clock when he slipped into the stock room and cut some cocaine you know
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very rich people were doing these drugs and therefore enabling the street level guys to
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make a living so who actually who actually is responsible in that situation the customer
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or the dealer because we always spend our time going after the dealers
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if you can get the demand out the dealers are gone that's right so maybe the treatment and
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this sounds horribly simplistic and i know it's never going to happen but frankly the
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remember that high school advice that they were giving out a few years just say no to drugs
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No, if we can try and find ways to reduce the demand
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And as Dave said, it's probably just a matter of time,
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get caught in a crossfire before somehow there's resolution.
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Well, thank you very much for joining me today, guys.
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