Western Standard - THE PIPELINE： Gondek’s Gone, and the BC Conservatives are losing it

00:00:00.000 Good day, today is October 22nd,

00:00:28.640 2025. I'm Derek Fillebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard, and you're watching The Pipeline.

00:00:34.620 I'm joined by two of our regular co-hosts, Western Standard, BC columnist, Alice Mills.

00:00:43.880 Hi, everybody.

00:00:46.000 There she is. And Western Standard, former opinion editor, now senior columnist, Nigel Hannaford.

00:00:53.620 Good afternoon. Good to be back.

00:00:55.420 And you can see, sitting between us, the rose between two thorns, filling in for Corey Morgan, who's off on Jihad right now,

00:01:02.720 we've got Lindsay Wilson, who's, yeah, I don't even know how to introduce you.

00:01:09.280 Formerly of Alberta Proud, worked on the Jeff Davison mayoral campaign here,

00:01:14.000 and joining us today particularly as we talk about fallout of Calgary election.

00:01:18.500 Yes, well, thank you very much for having me today.

00:01:20.100 And you were actually filling in for Corey Morgan on The Corey Morgan Show today.

00:01:24.740 We called you in for that, and then we sat down to do this, and I was like,

00:01:27.280 oh my god, where's Lindsay? She hasn't finished her job today if she actually doesn't do Corey's spot on The Pipeline.

00:01:32.820 Well, I'm happy. You can't call me Cora Morgan, but...

00:01:35.260 Cora Morgan. You're Cora Morgan.

00:01:38.120 Okay, you know what? We're just going to do two topics today,

00:01:41.340 so we can really kind of suss it out. We'll see how that goes.

00:01:45.980 The BC Conservative shit show continues to get shittier by the day.

00:01:51.660 More defections from caucus, more chaos,

00:01:55.360 as the leadership of John Rostat continues to come under fire.

00:02:02.360 How long can he last? Will he last?

00:02:05.680 Yeah, we're going to get into that, as the BC Conservative Party,

00:02:11.100 so promising a year ago, continues to just fall apart into disarray.

00:02:17.960 But first, ding dong, Gondek is gone.

00:02:22.840 Calgarians can celebrate that now former mayor Jody Gondek

00:02:29.300 went down to a historic defeat Monday night.

00:02:34.040 Oh, we found out. We found out about it Tuesday,

00:02:36.480 but the numbers from the early reporting was clear enough on Monday night.

00:02:40.660 We didn't necessarily know who was going to win,

00:02:42.120 but we sure knew who was not going to win.

00:02:45.740 Jody Gondek became the first incumbent elected Calgary mayor since 1980.

00:02:52.040 I wasn't even born since 1980 to lose re-election,

00:02:57.420 and she became the first mayor in the history of Calgary,

00:03:03.920 which is older than Alberta,

00:03:05.700 to not even place second.

00:03:07.860 She came in third place.

00:03:12.060 Just an absolutely...

00:03:14.420 I don't want to be a jerk.

00:03:16.560 Because losing an election sucks.

00:03:18.220 I don't want to dance on the political grave,

00:03:19.880 but I'm going to. God damn, I'm happy.

00:03:23.580 Bad news for her,

00:03:24.980 but I think great news for Calgarians.

00:03:27.420 Calgarians, I'll start with you, Lindsay.

00:03:32.520 As I said, you worked on the Jeff Davison campaign.

00:03:35.080 You're not a neutral observer here,

00:03:36.740 but it's an opinion show, so that's okay.

00:03:40.160 There was a lot of division

00:03:41.580 over who should replace Jody Gondek as mayor.

00:03:46.760 Farkas came in a narrow first,

00:03:49.500 still subject to recount,

00:03:50.700 but likely to stand.

00:03:52.080 I think Scharf would need to pick up

00:03:54.600 between 600 and 800 votes net.

00:03:56.980 Not likely to happen,

00:03:58.260 but it's close enough that a recall should be done.

00:04:00.120 That's not a recall, a recount.

00:04:02.400 But, you know,

00:04:03.620 Farkas coming first,

00:04:06.060 Gondek in a close second,

00:04:07.280 Jeff Davison coming in fourth.

00:04:14.260 And then, I guess,

00:04:17.500 Brian Thiessen,

00:04:19.100 Brian Thiessen coming in fifth,

00:04:22.100 kind of splitting the left vote,

00:04:23.620 but it wasn't enough left vote to split

00:04:25.320 in this one, arguably.

00:04:27.600 So, we'll get into council in a bit.

00:04:31.020 Your candidate didn't win,

00:04:33.200 but, I don't know,

00:04:35.000 how hard was it then, I guess,

00:04:36.680 to stand out as,

00:04:39.780 you know, for the candidates to say,

00:04:40.800 I'm the one to beat Jody Gondek?

00:04:43.360 And was that the major question,

00:04:44.720 or was it more on policies?

00:04:46.460 Well, this wasn't anything but Gondek vote

00:04:48.220 that won this election, certainly.

00:04:50.220 And now we have a mayor-elect,

00:04:51.920 Jeremy Farkas,

00:04:52.720 and Jeremy has won with a very,

00:04:54.740 I mean, what is his mandate, right?

00:04:56.360 26%, I think,

00:04:58.020 a margin of just under 600 votes.

00:05:00.260 He won with, this time,

00:05:01.720 less votes than he lost with last time.

00:05:03.300 Which is so interesting.

00:05:04.760 So, I think he has his work cut out for him.

00:05:06.420 I think, you know,

00:05:08.100 and in transparency,

00:05:09.780 some of the people watching this

00:05:10.720 may or may not know

00:05:11.620 that I did work for Jeremy Farkas

00:05:13.000 once upon a time.

00:05:13.840 I helped him run a mayoral campaign last time.

00:05:16.180 This time, I was with Jeff Davison.

00:05:18.240 No regrets on either side of those things.

00:05:20.080 You know, we live and we learn

00:05:21.020 and we move forward.

00:05:22.340 And I think,

00:05:22.960 I do want to say that

00:05:24.480 I am congratulating Mayor-elect

00:05:26.360 to Jeremy Farkas

00:05:27.200 and I want the best for Calgary

00:05:28.880 and I want the best for unity,

00:05:31.440 for sure,

00:05:32.000 for conservatives.

00:05:34.500 And I think Jeremy's got a lot to prove.

00:05:36.180 I think people felt like

00:05:37.040 he lost the last election.

00:05:39.100 He went and hiked a mountaintop

00:05:41.040 and found a new version of himself.

00:05:43.120 And the term has come out a lot,

00:05:44.540 you know,

00:05:44.740 Jeremy 2.0 versus Jeremy 1.0.

00:05:47.240 What's that going to look like?

00:05:49.100 There was some perception

00:05:50.120 that while he has

00:05:51.520 some very strong conservative roots,

00:05:53.360 that something happened

00:05:54.360 on that mountaintop

00:05:55.260 and on that big walk

00:05:56.320 that he did

00:05:56.760 in the name of charity

00:05:57.640 and it was all very respectable

00:05:58.720 and great

00:05:59.320 and a huge accomplishment.

00:06:00.780 But something happened there

00:06:01.900 and now that he's kind of more associates

00:06:05.260 with more of the left side of the spectrum.

00:06:06.740 So I think a lot of us

00:06:07.540 are really interested,

00:06:08.620 is he going to have

00:06:09.420 more of a centrist appeal

00:06:11.160 and will that be really good

00:06:12.580 for the former rabble-rouser

00:06:14.300 who, you know,

00:06:16.200 is maybe not perceived

00:06:17.240 as the most collaborative

00:06:18.160 of the bunch

00:06:19.040 when he was on council

00:06:20.060 and will he be able

00:06:20.880 to build those bridges

00:06:21.760 and to get this slate

00:06:24.200 of very independent,

00:06:26.100 dominated candidates.

00:06:27.400 I mean,

00:06:27.580 we just came off of a show

00:06:28.720 where we were talking

00:06:29.460 about the party system,

00:06:30.400 what that's going to look like

00:06:31.260 moving forward,

00:06:31.880 but he's definitely got

00:06:33.320 some work cut out for him

00:06:34.600 from this independent advantage.

00:06:36.620 I have to clarify,

00:06:37.220 you're not speaking

00:06:38.000 for Geoff Davison here.

00:06:39.260 The campaign's over.

00:06:40.040 So, you know,

00:06:41.160 you're speaking for you.

00:06:42.300 No, wait, you know,

00:06:42.840 just kind of more background

00:06:43.660 that you were on the campaign.

00:06:45.340 I was.

00:06:45.540 You know, not a neutral observer,

00:06:46.860 but you're not speaking

00:06:48.220 for the campaign

00:06:48.660 just for yourself here.

00:06:51.760 Nigel, it was,

00:06:54.140 you were privy

00:06:55.460 to some of the discussion.

00:06:56.660 You're not here

00:06:57.040 full-time anymore,

00:06:57.740 but I mean,

00:06:58.640 the discussion around here

00:06:59.560 about who to vote for was,

00:07:03.160 you know,

00:07:03.560 I've never seen

00:07:04.260 our newsroom so split,

00:07:05.840 you know.

00:07:06.860 You know,

00:07:07.260 when Farkas ran in 2021,

00:07:10.040 the newsroom was like

00:07:11.900 unanimously Jerry.

00:07:13.200 He was the most

00:07:13.780 conservative candidate

00:07:14.520 and he was the most

00:07:15.500 likely candidate

00:07:16.800 to beat,

00:07:18.020 to be Gondak or Nenshi.

00:07:22.780 This time,

00:07:24.480 you know,

00:07:24.740 I always tease him,

00:07:25.360 I called it his

00:07:25.740 Forrest Gump run

00:07:26.480 when he went on

00:07:26.940 this thing there.

00:07:27.960 And, you know,

00:07:28.600 a lot of time

00:07:29.760 to think and reflect

00:07:30.640 as you're,

00:07:31.780 as you burn the calories.

00:07:33.500 But,

00:07:33.860 he's a different,

00:07:36.220 he was a very different

00:07:37.360 candidate.

00:07:40.540 He's certainly not as

00:07:41.640 strident and outspoken.

00:07:43.240 He tried to make the

00:07:43.840 argument to me that

00:07:44.480 he's learned and matured,

00:07:46.100 but, you know,

00:07:46.960 he hasn't fundamentally

00:07:47.520 changed his convictions.

00:07:49.560 I don't know.

00:07:51.200 That's to be seen.

00:07:53.420 He's at the very least

00:07:54.620 less strident.

00:07:56.740 And, you know,

00:07:57.360 maybe that just means

00:07:58.040 he's more diplomatic,

00:07:58.800 but he is fundamentally

00:07:59.420 the same guy.

00:08:00.600 I don't know.

00:08:01.120 I don't know.

00:08:02.620 I think

00:08:03.420 a lot of conservatives

00:08:05.880 still,

00:08:06.620 even though he didn't run

00:08:07.300 as explicitly

00:08:08.580 a conservative campaign

00:08:09.800 this time,

00:08:10.800 he was so known

00:08:11.820 as the conservative guy

00:08:13.120 last time

00:08:13.880 that a lot of conservatives

00:08:14.920 still voted for him.

00:08:16.300 Some people in the center

00:08:17.180 who probably voted

00:08:17.960 for Gondek last time,

00:08:19.560 they can,

00:08:19.940 I like her.

00:08:21.860 Definitely won

00:08:22.620 some of those switchers.

00:08:24.020 But he lost a lot

00:08:25.040 of his core support

00:08:25.960 to Sonja Sharp

00:08:26.860 and Jeff Davison.

00:08:28.040 Jeff Davison obviously

00:08:28.720 had some support

00:08:29.360 for the last time

00:08:29.880 he first ran,

00:08:30.560 but,

00:08:31.120 do you think

00:08:34.500 Albertan's elected

00:08:35.400 a conservative?

00:08:37.460 I honestly think

00:08:38.800 that that remains

00:08:39.560 to be seen

00:08:40.180 for all the reasons

00:08:41.020 that you've just given.

00:08:42.200 He seems to have had

00:08:43.280 some kind of an epiphany

00:08:45.340 and we'll see

00:08:47.060 what he does with it.

00:08:47.720 We'll know

00:08:48.200 when we see

00:08:48.920 where he tries

00:08:50.900 to lead the gang

00:08:51.880 when it comes

00:08:52.860 to looking at

00:08:53.820 the rezoning bylaw.

00:08:55.560 Are we going

00:08:56.180 to walk that back?

00:08:57.340 Are we going

00:08:57.580 to get out

00:08:57.940 of that arrangement

00:08:58.600 and give people

00:08:59.460 their property rights

00:09:01.000 back?

00:09:02.980 You know,

00:09:03.660 that was the issue.

00:09:05.820 Even more than

00:09:06.560 plastic straws

00:09:07.980 that got...

00:09:08.560 Not for me.

00:09:09.600 Well, okay.

00:09:10.740 Plastic straws

00:09:11.520 above everything.

00:09:12.800 What is crime and safety,

00:09:13.800 though?

00:09:13.920 Don't forget about crime

00:09:14.620 and safety.

00:09:15.080 How couple he get on...

00:09:15.880 Second to plastic straws.

00:09:17.700 He has 580 plastic straws

00:09:20.080 in boxes in his office,

00:09:21.480 so he knows whereof he speaks.

00:09:25.200 But I'm saying

00:09:25.880 that there was no other issue

00:09:28.940 that got people

00:09:30.300 out of their chairs

00:09:31.200 and down to City Hall

00:09:32.420 like the rezoning issue.

00:09:35.660 And to be honest with you,

00:09:37.640 I thought that this was

00:09:39.080 going to be the revolution.

00:09:41.620 I thought people

00:09:42.260 were going to be

00:09:42.860 marching down to the booths

00:09:44.740 to register

00:09:46.220 their disapproval

00:09:47.300 of everything

00:09:47.780 that had gone before.

00:09:48.880 And certainly in as much

00:09:49.800 as Mayor Gondek

00:09:51.840 is now a retired Mayor Gondek,

00:09:53.680 former Mayor Gondek,

00:09:55.600 you know,

00:09:56.040 through the five stages

00:09:57.120 of grief

00:09:57.600 and the time

00:09:58.060 it took me

00:09:58.440 to finish the sentence,

00:10:00.100 many people feel the same.

00:10:01.780 But,

00:10:02.040 all right,

00:10:03.620 that got done.

00:10:04.560 But what about the rest?

00:10:05.500 So there is the question

00:10:07.360 of how they move forward

00:10:08.800 on rezoning.

00:10:09.680 And what do we do

00:10:12.000 with the green line?

00:10:13.500 You know,

00:10:14.020 there is another thing.

00:10:15.940 So those are two areas

00:10:17.680 where there is

00:10:18.460 a conservative position

00:10:19.560 and there is another position.

00:10:21.880 And I will answer your question

00:10:24.780 when,

00:10:25.760 about how is Mr. Park

00:10:27.720 is going to look

00:10:28.600 when I see what he decides

00:10:30.360 to actually do

00:10:31.500 with both of those issues.

00:10:33.140 Let me rephrase the question

00:10:35.420 ever so slightly.

00:10:37.780 Do Calgarians think

00:10:39.300 they elected a conservative?

00:10:41.420 Yes,

00:10:41.680 I think they probably do.

00:10:42.960 I think largely.

00:10:43.920 Yeah.

00:10:44.480 Yeah,

00:10:45.120 I think they do.

00:10:46.360 Which is what makes

00:10:47.520 the whole thing

00:10:48.300 a little bit

00:10:49.100 of a waiting game.

00:10:51.340 And the possibility

00:10:52.880 of disappointment

00:10:53.720 is out there.

00:10:55.800 We were going through

00:10:56.720 the list this morning

00:10:57.680 and as near as I could,

00:10:59.900 as near as I could confirm anything

00:11:01.880 given the fact

00:11:02.680 that some of these people

00:11:03.440 didn't really open up

00:11:04.440 who they were

00:11:05.580 during the campaign.

00:11:07.440 I think it's like

00:11:09.820 six conservatives

00:11:10.900 out of the 14,

00:11:14.220 which is an improvement

00:11:15.340 on last time

00:11:16.320 when on the day

00:11:18.380 after the vote,

00:11:19.200 I think maybe

00:11:19.540 we had three conservatives

00:11:20.720 and the rest

00:11:22.020 were a little on the left

00:11:23.080 and of course

00:11:23.500 with a very left-leaning mayor.

00:11:27.040 Now,

00:11:27.860 you make a few basic assumptions

00:11:29.280 about the parties

00:11:30.400 and the individuals

00:11:31.320 and you can kind of

00:11:32.380 put it together

00:11:32.980 that there's just about

00:11:34.340 six conservatives there

00:11:35.820 and then a bunch of people

00:11:37.140 who really don't know

00:11:38.000 where they stand.

00:11:39.140 I think there might be

00:11:39.780 some centrists in there.

00:11:40.820 Like truly,

00:11:41.260 and I know,

00:11:41.680 is there anything

00:11:42.980 such as a centrist,

00:11:44.000 but I think some of those

00:11:44.980 people that are defined

00:11:46.480 as more left-leaning,

00:11:47.660 I think they might be

00:11:48.500 more community-focused,

00:11:49.640 which is really where

00:11:50.240 we need municipal politicians.

00:11:51.780 It doesn't need to be

00:11:52.540 so much about left

00:11:53.300 and right either.

00:11:54.340 I think we're going

00:11:55.340 to see some people,

00:11:56.420 hopefully,

00:11:56.940 that are in the middle.

00:11:57.660 I think some of the

00:11:58.700 really divisive personalities,

00:12:01.480 I will just say

00:12:02.040 Courtney Walcott,

00:12:02.820 Courtney Penner,

00:12:03.360 they were perceived

00:12:03.900 as very diverse

00:12:04.800 of left-leaning

00:12:05.760 councillors last time.

00:12:07.700 I'm hopeful

00:12:08.480 those are maybe

00:12:09.720 out of the picture

00:12:10.440 this time

00:12:10.920 and it's a little bit

00:12:11.580 more moderate.

00:12:12.800 And I think

00:12:13.420 from the right,

00:12:14.900 I think what we were

00:12:16.060 talking about earlier today

00:12:17.060 that Landon Johnson

00:12:18.220 might be the new

00:12:18.920 Jeremy 1.0,

00:12:20.200 right?

00:12:20.600 So I think

00:12:21.140 that'll be really interesting.

00:12:22.280 Okay, so we'll talk...

00:12:24.340 Okay, I want to come

00:12:26.620 back to council.

00:12:28.720 We'll talk maybe

00:12:29.860 just about the dynamics

00:12:30.720 of the race a bit more.

00:12:33.040 One of the most

00:12:35.200 decisive questions

00:12:36.120 for a lot of people

00:12:36.900 was who can beat

00:12:38.040 Gondek?

00:12:39.420 Now, all the different

00:12:41.880 campaigns,

00:12:43.220 the not-Gondek campaigns

00:12:45.180 were putting out

00:12:46.080 polls regularly saying,

00:12:48.240 look, my campaign

00:12:49.160 is the one to beat

00:12:50.420 Gondek.

00:12:51.140 And, you know,

00:12:52.460 I've been around

00:12:52.860 the block enough

00:12:53.400 to know that,

00:12:54.700 okay, when a campaign

00:12:56.920 puts out a poll,

00:12:57.940 it's obviously

00:12:58.440 they're trying to

00:13:00.460 get people to vote

00:13:02.480 strategically.

00:13:03.840 And so I generally

00:13:04.640 don't trust polls

00:13:05.960 put out by campaigns.

00:13:06.780 They do internal polling

00:13:07.740 and that's the stuff

00:13:09.160 they don't share

00:13:09.820 and that's the good stuff.

00:13:10.620 That's actual good,

00:13:11.440 hard data.

00:13:12.040 Stuff they're not

00:13:12.340 supposed to share,

00:13:13.220 but some of the campaigns

00:13:14.100 did end up sharing that.

00:13:15.300 It does create a false

00:13:16.160 narrative, but it works.

00:13:17.100 And then it's like,

00:13:18.140 oh yeah,

00:13:18.720 we didn't mean to leak this

00:13:20.260 and they intentionally leak

00:13:21.100 it.

00:13:22.380 So, you know,

00:13:23.860 the one I really put

00:13:25.000 a lot of weight in

00:13:25.680 was Janet Brown's poll.

00:13:28.120 You know,

00:13:28.520 she's got a pretty

00:13:29.280 good track record.

00:13:31.160 She mostly-ish

00:13:32.840 predicted what was

00:13:33.720 going to happen here.

00:13:34.420 Municipal's harder

00:13:35.000 to predict, I think,

00:13:35.720 because voter turnout

00:13:36.520 tends to be so low.

00:13:39.440 Nigel, you have

00:13:40.020 the numbers.

00:13:40.560 Yeah, so yeah,

00:13:41.380 it's just been getting

00:13:42.300 worse and worse

00:13:43.040 every year.

00:13:43.740 We think it didn't

00:13:44.540 quite make 40%.

00:13:45.520 I think it's 38.4.

00:13:47.040 33, is it?

00:13:47.820 And it was 30 up

00:13:48.840 in Edmonton.

00:13:49.380 And I think a lot of this

00:13:50.200 is due to these long

00:13:50.940 lineups that we saw.

00:13:52.160 Well?

00:13:53.380 No, no,

00:13:53.920 it was 38.9 this time.

00:13:55.980 Oh, was it?

00:13:56.440 Okay.

00:13:56.660 46.4 in 2021.

00:14:00.220 And it was over 50%

00:14:01.820 in 2017

00:14:02.820 and the war again

00:14:04.440 in 2013.

00:14:05.500 So, was it

00:14:06.460 diminishing?

00:14:07.320 True.

00:14:07.660 But a lot of times

00:14:08.220 it depends on the issues

00:14:09.320 and the structure of things.

00:14:11.160 Like, the last Alberta election

00:14:12.340 had an increase

00:14:13.040 in voter turnout,

00:14:14.320 I believe.

00:14:16.140 But,

00:14:16.640 I thought John was

00:14:18.240 nodding no,

00:14:18.800 but he's actually

00:14:19.120 just scratching his eyes.

00:14:22.720 Settle down, John.

00:14:23.940 And,

00:14:24.300 last time,

00:14:28.000 there was just

00:14:28.420 such a clear dichotomy.

00:14:30.460 Going back on the left,

00:14:31.360 Barker's on the right,

00:14:32.140 and then he also had

00:14:32.980 Jeff Davison.

00:14:33.780 But it was such a clear-cut race

00:14:35.160 that people didn't know

00:14:36.400 who to vote for here.

00:14:37.020 So, I think a lot of people

00:14:37.940 just didn't vote

00:14:40.300 because it was so unclear.

00:14:43.800 So, anyway,

00:14:44.340 the different candidates

00:14:44.900 putting this stuff out,

00:14:45.860 the Janet Brown poll

00:14:46.580 came out and said

00:14:47.280 Farkas was leading

00:14:48.160 and then it essentially

00:14:49.380 had

00:14:50.360 Gondack and Sharp

00:14:53.180 more or less

00:14:53.660 tied in second.

00:14:54.820 Yep.

00:14:56.680 And,

00:14:57.080 and Davison in fourth,

00:14:59.440 Thiessen in distant fifth.

00:15:01.460 I think,

00:15:02.140 that probably influenced

00:15:03.660 a lot of people

00:15:04.620 to vote

00:15:05.640 Farkas.

00:15:06.800 But I think even more so

00:15:08.080 it probably influenced

00:15:09.120 Davison people

00:15:10.680 to then vote

00:15:11.660 for Sharp

00:15:12.320 because that said,

00:15:13.320 Davison can't win.

00:15:13.840 He's running fourth.

00:15:14.460 It was a respectable fourth,

00:15:15.620 but it said he couldn't,

00:15:16.720 couldn't win.

00:15:17.420 So he probably underperformed

00:15:18.500 the polls

00:15:18.920 because of that.

00:15:20.280 I,

00:15:20.740 I think,

00:15:21.460 um,

00:15:22.460 but I,

00:15:23.300 I,

00:15:23.660 but Davison,

00:15:24.300 I know that campaign

00:15:25.320 had been saying

00:15:26.100 the whole time,

00:15:26.740 we can win.

00:15:27.800 We're the ones

00:15:28.440 who can beat Gondack.

00:15:30.520 I know,

00:15:31.000 I know you have

00:15:32.000 to say that,

00:15:32.780 but like,

00:15:33.720 I was like,

00:15:34.140 come on,

00:15:34.680 like,

00:15:36.040 you're not going

00:15:36.980 to be in position

00:15:37.820 from fourth.

00:15:38.400 They can't leapfrog

00:15:39.100 the fourth

00:15:39.480 in the last few days.

00:15:41.180 I think there was just,

00:15:42.260 there was a lot of resources.

00:15:43.160 There's a lot of,

00:15:44.160 there's a tremendous benefit

00:15:45.160 to party politics

00:15:46.200 in the sense that

00:15:46.860 there's a lot of resources.

00:15:48.260 And at the end of the day,

00:15:49.000 I think,

00:15:49.740 you know,

00:15:49.980 Communities First

00:15:50.600 with Sonia Sharp

00:15:51.200 had just had significantly

00:15:52.340 more resources

00:15:53.140 than the Jeff Davison

00:15:54.100 campaign did

00:15:54.720 because if we're

00:15:55.520 talking about issues,

00:15:56.820 there wasn't a lot

00:15:57.420 of differentiators,

00:15:58.160 you guys.

00:15:58.840 Blanket rezoning.

00:15:59.520 Okay,

00:15:59.720 we're all going to repeal

00:16:00.400 blanket rezoning

00:16:01.020 in some form or another,

00:16:02.040 a little flip-flopping there.

00:16:03.080 But at the end of the day,

00:16:04.240 that was the commitment.

00:16:05.520 Crime and safety.

00:16:06.300 Let's get tough

00:16:06.960 on crime and safety.

00:16:07.940 Let's,

00:16:08.340 you know,

00:16:08.740 partner with the province

00:16:09.760 to shut down

00:16:10.280 the Sheldon Schumer.

00:16:12.240 You know,

00:16:12.740 so there was those issues.

00:16:13.720 But affordability

00:16:14.460 was the number one thing.

00:16:15.260 And you guys,

00:16:15.620 I will tell you,

00:16:16.720 in our last couple of weeks

00:16:17.680 of the campaign,

00:16:19.000 our messaging,

00:16:20.100 which I think to the degree

00:16:21.600 it could be was effective,

00:16:22.920 was all around

00:16:23.900 Jeff Davison's promise

00:16:24.820 for a four-year tax freeze.

00:16:27.720 And that really resonated

00:16:29.040 with people

00:16:29.480 because affordability

00:16:30.360 is the number one issue

00:16:31.620 in this city.

00:16:32.620 You know,

00:16:32.940 there were so many people

00:16:33.860 that I talked to

00:16:34.540 who said,

00:16:34.880 I actually would like to vote

00:16:35.720 for Jeff Davison,

00:16:36.560 but he's not going to win,

00:16:37.440 so I've got to pick

00:16:38.000 between,

00:16:38.980 and that was just

00:16:41.040 what you were up against.

00:16:42.640 I know,

00:16:42.860 and it was really difficult

00:16:43.680 because,

00:16:44.160 you know,

00:16:44.300 I will maintain,

00:16:45.160 and for everybody listening,

00:16:46.240 like Jeff Davison

00:16:46.820 is a tremendous candidate

00:16:48.080 and human being.

00:16:48.780 And he was,

00:16:49.200 and it was,

00:16:49.560 we had a beautiful campaign

00:16:50.680 filled with really,

00:16:51.780 really good quality people

00:16:52.820 and absolutely no regrets.

00:16:54.960 But yeah,

00:16:55.220 it was an uphill battle.

00:16:56.140 He was the underdog.

00:16:57.300 And in the end,

00:16:58.900 Sharp,

00:16:59.240 you know,

00:17:00.340 I was surprised.

00:17:01.800 I didn't think

00:17:02.400 that she would get that high.

00:17:03.320 I thought she appealed,

00:17:04.940 even though I don't really,

00:17:06.340 truly believe

00:17:06.840 that she's in her,

00:17:08.020 she's truly,

00:17:08.960 really a conservative.

00:17:10.740 I think she's being painted

00:17:11.840 that way.

00:17:12.500 And I just thought

00:17:13.500 it would be more appealing

00:17:14.540 to a far right crowd.

00:17:15.800 And hey,

00:17:16.320 I was wrong,

00:17:16.780 I was wrong before

00:17:17.340 and I'll be wrong again.

00:17:18.400 I didn't think

00:17:18.980 she would appeal

00:17:19.480 to the moderate base

00:17:20.160 as much as she obviously did.

00:17:21.800 But you know,

00:17:22.520 within 600 votes

00:17:23.900 of Mayor Lett,

00:17:24.880 Jeremy Farkas,

00:17:25.700 and a recount to come.

00:17:26.760 Again,

00:17:27.100 I don't think we're going to see

00:17:27.940 a lot of change

00:17:28.440 in the mayor's chair.

00:17:28.960 That's just too big a margin.

00:17:30.080 But any campaign manager

00:17:31.240 would advise her to do that.

00:17:32.320 That is the respectable thing

00:17:33.540 to do.

00:17:34.060 I don't think that's

00:17:34.660 sour grapes for her to request.

00:17:36.380 No, not at all.

00:17:37.000 No, it's totally reasonable.

00:17:39.940 All right,

00:17:40.120 well, let's talk council.

00:17:42.080 I'm sorry,

00:17:43.080 we're not including

00:17:44.320 Elise really here yet.

00:17:45.620 But I would expect,

00:17:49.520 yeah,

00:17:50.620 I would expect

00:17:51.380 someone from Vancouver

00:17:52.120 to have about as much insight

00:17:53.160 into Calgary's municipal politics

00:17:54.660 as I would have

00:17:55.360 into Vancouver.

00:17:56.660 Well,

00:17:56.940 we did know about Gondek.

00:17:58.660 We did,

00:17:59.280 believe me,

00:17:59.820 we know about your mayor.

00:18:01.140 We're a former mayor.

00:18:02.440 Yeah,

00:18:02.660 not for good reasons.

00:18:04.860 We prayed a lot for you.

00:18:06.460 We really did.

00:18:07.540 So,

00:18:07.800 you know,

00:18:08.220 the way to get high turks.

00:18:09.420 Our prayers have been answered.

00:18:10.500 So thank you for sending.

00:18:11.700 You're very welcome.

00:18:12.780 Sending good vibes our way.

00:18:13.460 okay,

00:18:15.120 so let's talk about council.

00:18:17.620 So Lindsay,

00:18:18.580 you know,

00:18:19.340 I think Nigel said

00:18:20.620 there's roughly six.

00:18:21.560 I know Common Sense Calgary

00:18:22.540 put out something today,

00:18:24.360 which I think was pretty reasonable,

00:18:25.720 saying broadly speaking,

00:18:27.560 there's six centre-right councillors,

00:18:30.020 six centre-left councillors,

00:18:31.360 and I think two

00:18:32.260 just unknown,

00:18:34.900 kind of more centrist.

00:18:35.380 And was one of the

00:18:36.640 unknown centrist people,

00:18:37.920 maybe we can look this up,

00:18:38.640 is that John Pandasopoulos in six?

00:18:40.700 More six.

00:18:41.320 More six.

00:18:42.000 And he perceived as not

00:18:43.340 part of the six

00:18:44.200 because I think he will

00:18:44.940 end up being part of the six.

00:18:46.060 I don't know.

00:18:46.940 I think he's more conservative-leaning

00:18:48.280 and I think...

00:18:49.160 You know,

00:18:49.360 watch the Greeks.

00:18:50.280 Yeah.

00:18:50.700 That's the only thing I know about him

00:18:51.420 is he's got a difficult Greek name.

00:18:52.920 That's the only thing I know

00:18:53.880 about this guy.

00:18:54.580 Yeah.

00:18:56.040 You know,

00:18:56.560 so we've got...

00:18:57.880 I want to ask you

00:18:58.980 about the party system.

00:19:00.300 Yeah.

00:19:00.760 So,

00:19:02.320 I...

00:19:03.400 You know,

00:19:04.960 I've been saying this whole time

00:19:06.380 since we got municipal parties

00:19:07.560 in Calgary and Edmonton

00:19:08.580 that I think it's going to take

00:19:09.960 a few cycles

00:19:10.800 for things to come out in the wash

00:19:12.660 before it kind of gets settled.

00:19:14.460 There was one left party,

00:19:16.380 the Calvary party,

00:19:17.740 and then there was

00:19:18.260 Community First

00:19:18.880 on the center-right

00:19:20.520 and ABC on the center-right.

00:19:22.660 So, yeah,

00:19:23.520 Communities First

00:19:24.040 and A Better Calvary.

00:19:25.660 All very imaginative names.

00:19:29.120 Sorry.

00:19:29.560 And that is the trouble.

00:19:30.600 There is absolutely nothing in...

00:19:32.600 They're not identified.

00:19:33.280 As per Bill 20,

00:19:34.240 provincial legislation,

00:19:35.380 you can't put Conservative

00:19:36.300 or NDP or Liberal or anything.

00:19:37.840 And that's what I think

00:19:38.280 what voters are looking for.

00:19:39.340 And you've got to think...

00:19:40.260 That's not the point, I thought.

00:19:41.140 People have one minute a week

00:19:42.140 for politics,

00:19:42.840 the average voter,

00:19:43.720 and they have even less than that

00:19:44.820 for municipal politics.

00:19:45.640 It's supposed to give people

00:19:46.300 a short hand.

00:19:46.640 And it just...

00:19:47.160 It created confusion.

00:19:48.160 Yeah.

00:19:48.460 It didn't settle that at all.

00:19:51.100 I think the reason

00:19:51.720 they didn't allow them

00:19:52.320 to use names like Conservative,

00:19:53.520 Liberal, etc,

00:19:54.480 is that, you know,

00:19:55.880 the Alberta UCP,

00:19:57.320 the Federal Conservatives

00:19:58.180 don't want, you know...

00:19:59.280 Some guy gets nominated

00:20:00.420 as the Conservative councillor

00:20:02.160 in Ward 20.

00:20:04.500 And he says something

00:20:06.200 a little off-color.

00:20:07.940 And then, you know,

00:20:09.120 then they have to go ask

00:20:09.920 Daniel Smith and Pierre Polioff,

00:20:11.180 what do you think about

00:20:11.840 what this guy in Ward 20 said?

00:20:14.420 I think that was it.

00:20:16.980 But yeah.

00:20:17.980 But the point is,

00:20:19.720 there's independent left elected,

00:20:21.980 and then there's

00:20:22.520 the Calvary Party elected.

00:20:24.480 There's independent right elected.

00:20:26.720 And then there's people

00:20:27.780 from two different parties

00:20:28.960 elected on the right.

00:20:30.480 Because most are communities first,

00:20:31.860 but there was one,

00:20:33.120 a Better Calgary Party.

00:20:35.440 Yeah, Better Calgary Party

00:20:36.660 currently has worked well

00:20:38.180 with Mike Jameson.

00:20:39.160 And they're hanging on

00:20:39.840 by 29 votes.

00:20:40.600 I know there's going to be

00:20:41.220 a recount there,

00:20:41.980 and that's happening.

00:20:42.940 Yeah.

00:20:43.420 And then...

00:20:43.940 I want to flip it,

00:20:44.540 but that's close enough.

00:20:45.240 And then you have

00:20:45.840 the Calgary Party

00:20:46.580 with one seat.

00:20:49.060 So you have ABC,

00:20:50.000 you have Calgary Party

00:20:50.620 with one seat,

00:20:51.520 and then you have

00:20:52.520 communities first,

00:20:53.220 technically with four,

00:20:54.020 but I do want to,

00:20:55.200 because we should be very clear

00:20:56.640 that two new seats,

00:20:59.000 we lost a couple,

00:21:00.020 and then, you know,

00:21:00.700 you had two very,

00:21:01.760 very strong councillors

00:21:02.980 in wards 10 and 13,

00:21:04.260 Dan McLean,

00:21:04.940 and respectively,

00:21:05.760 André Chabot.

00:21:06.780 And I think it's very fair

00:21:08.320 that anybody would agree

00:21:09.320 that, you know,

00:21:10.380 they would have been elected

00:21:11.380 regardless of the system.

00:21:12.620 They gave legitimacy

00:21:14.040 to the community's first party

00:21:15.620 as far as being perceived

00:21:17.480 as a conservative party,

00:21:18.540 if any.

00:21:18.740 Yeah.

00:21:20.100 So, you know,

00:21:21.700 I think,

00:21:23.000 assuming we have

00:21:23.820 the one ABC candidate

00:21:24.860 and a few communities first,

00:21:26.580 they're going to form

00:21:27.260 a natural block together.

00:21:28.640 I don't imagine

00:21:29.560 that there's the kind of

00:21:31.380 antagonism that exists

00:21:32.860 that, say,

00:21:33.140 between Wildrose

00:21:34.020 and progressive conservatives

00:21:35.080 where that went on

00:21:36.460 for over a decade

00:21:37.400 and we hated each other's guts

00:21:38.960 until we finally

00:21:39.820 faced socialist hordes

00:21:41.640 across the aisle

00:21:42.620 from each other.

00:21:44.960 I'm...

00:21:45.400 No, because quite frankly,

00:21:46.120 it's embarrassing

00:21:46.720 and it can't continue, right?

00:21:47.940 There's a lot of bad blood.

00:21:48.980 I think that was...

00:21:49.980 took place in the election

00:21:50.880 and I think everybody

00:21:51.760 needs to just have a truce

00:21:52.860 and work together.

00:21:54.100 So, but I'm thinking

00:21:55.320 in the long term,

00:21:55.980 do you think it's likely

00:21:56.660 those two parties come together?

00:21:57.760 It's four years.

00:21:58.540 They have to.

00:21:59.160 They have to.

00:21:59.740 They have to turn them

00:22:00.580 into a third-party advertiser.

00:22:02.640 They have to.

00:22:03.540 Either that

00:22:03.940 or they just dissolve them.

00:22:04.900 But I don't think

00:22:05.360 they're going to.

00:22:05.940 I think this was a pilot project.

00:22:07.240 I think, you know,

00:22:07.900 I hosted one of your shows

00:22:08.980 earlier this morning

00:22:09.720 and it suggests, you know,

00:22:11.020 like, okay, you know,

00:22:11.820 nothing's going to be perfect

00:22:12.900 the first time out of the gate.

00:22:13.880 I think there's some changes

00:22:15.100 that myself with,

00:22:16.220 along with, I had, you know,

00:22:17.200 Amber Reddy and Stephen Carter

00:22:18.320 on that show.

00:22:19.080 And I think, you know,

00:22:19.940 there's some things

00:22:20.360 like maybe higher thresholds

00:22:21.540 for creating a party,

00:22:22.980 getting access to the voters.

00:22:24.860 It's like,

00:22:25.100 there's some things

00:22:25.540 that definitely need to change.

00:22:27.140 But they didn't have access

00:22:27.780 to the voters list?

00:22:29.220 What the hell is the point

00:22:30.060 of a party

00:22:30.460 if you don't get the voters list?

00:22:32.020 I know.

00:22:32.760 It's a real problem.

00:22:33.680 So I think there's just...

00:22:34.220 You can't name them correctly

00:22:35.020 and you don't get a voters list.

00:22:36.680 I don't understand

00:22:37.640 why we have these parties then.

00:22:39.080 Exactly.

00:22:39.560 Like, it was just a real uphill battle

00:22:40.960 and, you know,

00:22:41.400 I do want to give credit

00:22:42.520 where creditors do.

00:22:43.240 I give credit

00:22:43.680 to a Better Calgary party.

00:22:45.240 I think, you know,

00:22:46.120 they ended up and,

00:22:47.140 you know,

00:22:47.920 I did help originally

00:22:48.760 build that party

00:22:49.580 and then I kind of

00:22:50.920 parted ways with them

00:22:51.700 on very good terms.

00:22:53.020 But to me,

00:22:53.400 a Better Calgary party,

00:22:54.140 they did try to do

00:22:55.020 what I think a party should be,

00:22:56.360 which is, you know,

00:22:57.140 democratically elect

00:22:58.420 their member

00:23:00.620 and have the memberships

00:23:01.720 vote on who they want

00:23:03.880 to be their representatives.

00:23:05.000 And I think,

00:23:05.680 and communities first,

00:23:06.700 it was a slate.

00:23:07.340 It was never a party,

00:23:08.020 it was a slate.

00:23:08.860 And it was very confusing

00:23:09.780 with their branding.

00:23:10.520 It's strategically probably

00:23:11.380 very smart for them.

00:23:12.780 But it was very confusing

00:23:13.880 to people

00:23:14.320 because you had these candidates

00:23:15.520 running under the

00:23:16.140 community's first banner.

00:23:16.920 But unless you saw them

00:23:18.040 in a photo op together,

00:23:18.700 you would never know

00:23:19.520 that they were part

00:23:20.080 of a party,

00:23:20.700 that it wasn't displayed

00:23:21.540 on signage.

00:23:22.480 It wasn't clear

00:23:23.300 in a lot of their marketing.

00:23:24.180 And I think that's

00:23:25.020 confusing to people.

00:23:25.820 I would like to see

00:23:26.800 something like,

00:23:27.420 hey,

00:23:27.580 if you're going to be

00:23:28.080 part of a party,

00:23:29.000 you got to make that,

00:23:29.740 you got to put that

00:23:30.220 front and center.

00:23:30.880 The Calgary party

00:23:31.520 executed on that.

00:23:32.460 ABC candidates

00:23:33.220 executed on that.

00:23:34.420 Whether you agree

00:23:35.060 with those parties or not

00:23:35.860 is beside the point.

00:23:36.960 They were very clear.

00:23:37.740 Hey,

00:23:38.100 we are a party.

00:23:38.780 These are our candidates.

00:23:40.660 And I think that we need

00:23:41.840 that clarity moving forward

00:23:43.080 or it's just going to,

00:23:44.840 you're going to have

00:23:45.260 more disenfranchised voters

00:23:46.340 because they feel

00:23:46.800 like they're being duped.

00:23:47.760 What do you think about

00:23:48.400 the name communities first

00:23:50.100 anyway?

00:23:50.760 Like that has a socialist

00:23:52.100 feel about it.

00:23:52.980 That's the kind of woke

00:23:54.080 community involvement

00:23:56.820 type of person

00:23:58.240 who would gravitate to that.

00:24:00.460 Well,

00:24:00.760 I think so too.

00:24:01.480 I think you could almost

00:24:02.480 say that about any

00:24:03.260 of the party names.

00:24:04.180 I think,

00:24:04.460 ah,

00:24:04.640 better Calgary party,

00:24:05.680 Calgary party,

00:24:06.900 communities first.

00:24:07.580 I don't really think

00:24:08.580 that any of them

00:24:09.200 connote.

00:24:10.640 So the naming is just

00:24:12.020 like everybody's trying

00:24:12.720 to appear to the

00:24:13.220 appeal to the moderates

00:24:14.760 and you know,

00:24:15.500 that's,

00:24:15.960 you know,

00:24:16.180 it's,

00:24:16.440 it's what it is

00:24:17.180 and no criticism

00:24:17.820 of their individual branding,

00:24:19.020 but the name itself

00:24:19.700 doesn't connote anything.

00:24:20.700 But I mean,

00:24:21.380 communities first,

00:24:22.020 they,

00:24:22.140 they put themselves forward

00:24:22.980 as a conservative party.

00:24:24.140 Certainly they had

00:24:24.680 very respectable conservatives.

00:24:26.400 You know,

00:24:26.840 they,

00:24:27.000 Dan McLean and Andre Chabot

00:24:28.100 in 13 and 10

00:24:29.140 fronting that party

00:24:30.360 and they chose

00:24:32.060 Sonia Sharp

00:24:33.080 as their candidate

00:24:33.780 who was perceived

00:24:34.660 as a conservative.

00:24:35.640 Don't know that

00:24:36.120 she really was one,

00:24:36.920 but was perceived

00:24:37.420 as a conservative

00:24:38.080 from award one.

00:24:39.500 So,

00:24:39.780 you know,

00:24:39.960 they put that,

00:24:40.520 yeah,

00:24:40.860 I don't know.

00:24:41.440 I don't know how that's,

00:24:42.520 I don't,

00:24:42.820 I don't,

00:24:43.560 then they had an award nine

00:24:44.880 candidate who was like

00:24:46.240 an ardent NDP,

00:24:47.740 I mean,

00:24:48.100 an ardent NDP activist,

00:24:49.440 I think is the best way

00:24:50.140 to put it.

00:24:50.520 She,

00:24:50.720 she attended NDP conventions

00:24:52.400 as a delegate.

00:24:53.580 So what are you?

00:24:55.300 It's interesting.

00:24:55.960 And actually,

00:24:56.400 we're talking about

00:24:57.100 John Pantazopoulos,

00:24:58.180 his campaign manager,

00:25:00.640 did he have connections

00:25:01.360 to the NDP?

00:25:02.340 Correct,

00:25:02.780 he did.

00:25:03.440 But I think John himself

00:25:04.660 appeals as more

00:25:05.440 of a moderate conservative

00:25:06.560 and is a businessman.

00:25:07.980 It comes from that perspective.

00:25:09.040 So I think he might end up

00:25:10.900 siding a lot

00:25:11.440 with more of the conservative.

00:25:12.660 Just let them come out

00:25:13.360 and say,

00:25:13.660 we are the party

00:25:14.340 of the overdog.

00:25:15.400 Yeah.

00:25:16.780 Remember this.

00:25:17.880 Anyway.

00:25:18.260 Okay,

00:25:18.820 well,

00:25:19.300 if anyone from the Alberta

00:25:21.760 cabinet has watched

00:25:22.660 any UCP NLAs,

00:25:24.400 give them the friggin'

00:25:25.440 voters list

00:25:25.940 and let them put

00:25:26.760 reasonable names

00:25:27.660 on their parties.

00:25:28.520 What a mess.

00:25:30.260 Okay,

00:25:31.000 we've kept,

00:25:32.380 at least on the bench,

00:25:34.080 long enough

00:25:34.580 for putting her on the ice.

00:25:38.000 John Rostad,

00:25:40.060 the BC conservative leader,

00:25:42.260 he took that party

00:25:43.660 from nothing

00:25:44.740 and really made it

00:25:46.420 into something.

00:25:47.820 You know,

00:25:48.060 some of it was

00:25:48.620 catching lightning

00:25:49.940 in the bottle maybe

00:25:50.740 and the BC Liberal

00:25:52.760 United Party

00:25:53.840 did a lot of the work

00:25:54.980 in collapsing themselves.

00:25:56.720 But the guy,

00:25:57.620 there's a lot of credit

00:25:58.260 for what he did,

00:25:59.460 came with just a hair

00:26:01.540 of becoming premier

00:26:02.700 a year ago.

00:26:04.180 But,

00:26:04.720 you know,

00:26:06.840 the promise of them

00:26:07.960 as this government

00:26:08.940 in waiting

00:26:09.400 that they could maybe

00:26:10.320 try to topple

00:26:11.060 the quasi-ish

00:26:12.860 minority government

00:26:13.780 that they were

00:26:14.960 on the doorsteps

00:26:16.540 of power

00:26:17.160 and it has

00:26:18.940 just fallen apart.

00:26:21.220 I have no way

00:26:21.840 to describe it

00:26:22.600 but just a total

00:26:23.860 shitshow.

00:26:25.540 John Rostad

00:26:26.060 has now lost

00:26:26.640 his fifth MLA.

00:26:28.960 His fifth MLA

00:26:29.940 proportionately

00:26:30.940 if you were to take,

00:26:31.780 you know,

00:26:31.960 in terms of

00:26:32.520 caucus sizes

00:26:33.300 and the size

00:26:33.900 of the legislature,

00:26:35.280 this is going to be

00:26:36.220 damn near as much

00:26:37.220 as Stockwell Day

00:26:38.080 lost when,

00:26:39.400 you know,

00:26:40.780 when his leadership

00:26:42.200 came under a lot

00:26:43.020 of trouble

00:26:43.320 with the Canadian

00:26:43.760 alliance in the day

00:26:44.740 and that was enough

00:26:45.860 ultimately to topple him.

00:26:48.680 You know,

00:26:48.900 and Stock,

00:26:49.640 actually a bunch of us,

00:26:51.320 I think maybe all of us

00:26:52.040 know Stockwell.

00:26:53.820 Great guy,

00:26:54.780 but,

00:26:54.940 yeah,

00:26:57.380 yeah.

00:26:58.280 But,

00:26:58.820 you know,

00:26:59.180 when you have,

00:27:00.720 when you're having

00:27:01.160 to kick people

00:27:01.740 out of caucus

00:27:02.340 in numbers,

00:27:04.180 when you have them

00:27:05.200 leaving caucus

00:27:06.180 in protest,

00:27:08.060 that,

00:27:09.040 there comes a point

00:27:10.660 where you just

00:27:11.120 can't take

00:27:11.720 any more damage.

00:27:12.520 He's just lost

00:27:13.220 his fifth.

00:27:14.060 He's lost them

00:27:14.540 on kind of

00:27:14.920 the left

00:27:15.380 and the right

00:27:16.060 of the party,

00:27:16.700 it seems.

00:27:18.420 The last one to go,

00:27:20.120 I don't recall the name,

00:27:20.860 you'll tell me

00:27:21.340 in a second at least,

00:27:22.500 but she leaves

00:27:24.040 the caucus

00:27:24.480 and then John Rustad

00:27:25.940 says,

00:27:26.320 wow,

00:27:26.540 she's got

00:27:27.040 mental health issues.

00:27:28.920 I don't know

00:27:29.500 this person,

00:27:30.260 maybe she does,

00:27:31.960 but,

00:27:32.280 I mean,

00:27:32.500 if that was the case,

00:27:33.300 why was she

00:27:33.900 your candidate?

00:27:34.720 Why was she

00:27:35.240 in the caucus?

00:27:35.940 And that just

00:27:38.080 seemed like

00:27:38.380 a really personal

00:27:39.660 attack to try

00:27:41.780 and justify

00:27:42.680 what was happening.

00:27:44.160 At least,

00:27:44.960 what the hell

00:27:46.020 is happening

00:27:46.460 in Lotusland

00:27:47.100 out there?

00:27:49.180 I have to tell you,

00:27:50.780 it's a very,

00:27:52.420 it's a clown car

00:27:54.120 and there's

00:27:56.440 a lot of people

00:27:57.260 in that clown car.

00:27:59.000 Just speaking

00:27:59.840 on that candidate,

00:28:01.200 you should also know

00:28:02.100 that she,

00:28:03.040 it's a legal issue

00:28:04.140 and I would recommend,

00:28:05.620 and I have recommended

00:28:06.660 that she speak

00:28:07.240 to Catherine Marshall

00:28:08.060 because Catherine Marshall,

00:28:09.640 this is her territory.

00:28:11.980 What had happened

00:28:12.820 with that MLA

00:28:13.560 is that she had

00:28:14.460 privately gone

00:28:15.320 to the leader

00:28:15.960 and said,

00:28:17.160 I think there was

00:28:18.260 a family matter

00:28:18.980 and she was struggling

00:28:19.780 with her mental health.

00:28:21.020 She needed a break.

00:28:22.180 She's the critic

00:28:22.860 for Ministry of Children

00:28:23.980 and Families

00:28:24.540 in British Columbia,

00:28:25.480 which is,

00:28:27.500 if you believe

00:28:28.640 in the devil,

00:28:29.260 the devil resides

00:28:30.140 in the Ministry

00:28:30.960 of Children and Families.

00:28:32.060 It is a horror show

00:28:33.400 in there.

00:28:34.300 And I think

00:28:35.060 as a woman,

00:28:35.840 I think it does affect

00:28:36.860 you maybe differently

00:28:37.840 and that's okay

00:28:38.620 for us to say that.

00:28:40.160 I think that

00:28:41.280 it was difficult

00:28:42.740 for her

00:28:43.420 and so she went

00:28:44.700 to the leader

00:28:45.800 as she should

00:28:46.680 and she said,

00:28:47.540 hey, John,

00:28:48.380 I'm having a bit

00:28:49.020 of a struggle.

00:28:49.680 I need to take

00:28:50.200 a bit of time off

00:28:51.060 and she wasn't

00:28:51.700 talking months.

00:28:52.500 She wasn't even

00:28:52.860 talking weeks

00:28:53.620 and then he proceeds

00:28:55.820 to tell everybody

00:28:58.860 that he's supporting her.

00:29:00.520 There have been

00:29:01.000 some problems

00:29:01.540 in caucus.

00:29:02.040 Some people

00:29:02.540 thought she was

00:29:03.020 too left-leaning,

00:29:04.260 sort of very similar

00:29:04.940 to the conversation

00:29:05.780 that all three of you

00:29:06.900 have just had

00:29:07.540 about municipal politics

00:29:08.980 in Calgary

00:29:09.560 and political parties.

00:29:11.120 Are you really

00:29:12.120 a conservative

00:29:12.860 was sort of

00:29:13.760 the question

00:29:14.200 that goes around

00:29:14.960 and there's

00:29:15.640 some ardent,

00:29:16.840 hardcore,

00:29:18.340 very right-wing

00:29:19.240 conservatives

00:29:19.740 in that caucus.

00:29:20.480 And so John

00:29:22.920 backed her

00:29:23.940 and then a day

00:29:25.300 or two ago

00:29:25.980 he jumps out

00:29:26.840 and says,

00:29:27.580 you know,

00:29:28.000 he shares

00:29:28.700 this privileged

00:29:29.540 information

00:29:30.420 technically

00:29:31.940 as her employer

00:29:33.080 and breaches

00:29:34.480 all of the

00:29:35.920 standards

00:29:36.820 that is...

00:29:37.480 He is not

00:29:39.060 her employer.

00:29:39.900 There would not

00:29:40.480 be any employment

00:29:41.320 relationship.

00:29:42.760 Like,

00:29:43.340 the leader

00:29:43.720 of a party

00:29:44.160 is effectively

00:29:44.900 the boss

00:29:45.720 but, like,

00:29:47.000 legally speaking

00:29:47.660 the employer

00:29:48.200 would be

00:29:48.580 the Legislative

00:29:49.320 Assembly

00:29:49.660 of British Columbia.

00:29:51.100 Yes, exactly.

00:29:51.800 And I just want

00:29:52.980 to say

00:29:53.240 I wish

00:29:53.680 BC Conservatives

00:29:54.960 when Lindsay

00:29:55.760 Shepard was fired

00:29:56.700 nobody understood

00:29:57.900 who the employer

00:29:58.860 really was

00:29:59.760 and that there

00:30:00.420 are employment

00:30:01.280 standards.

00:30:02.120 You can't

00:30:02.560 beak off

00:30:03.240 and say

00:30:03.940 whatever you

00:30:04.500 want to say

00:30:05.020 but the point

00:30:06.680 of this

00:30:07.000 is that she

00:30:07.420 had gone

00:30:07.760 through the

00:30:08.140 right protocols

00:30:09.040 and he steps

00:30:09.820 out

00:30:10.120 and not only

00:30:11.160 does he

00:30:11.700 break that

00:30:12.320 confidence

00:30:12.800 and therefore

00:30:13.820 creates a huge

00:30:15.000 liability

00:30:15.400 for the party

00:30:16.320 and a huge

00:30:17.240 liability for her

00:30:18.520 he then claims

00:30:20.300 that the woman

00:30:20.940 he's been protecting

00:30:21.860 and supporting

00:30:22.520 is a secret

00:30:23.520 Hamas supporter.

00:30:25.860 It's very

00:30:26.800 Joe McCarthy

00:30:28.360 you're a communist

00:30:29.280 you're a communist

00:30:30.220 you know

00:30:30.580 it was so

00:30:31.180 we actually

00:30:31.800 I didn't see the

00:30:32.460 Hamas thing

00:30:33.180 that's

00:30:33.540 oh my god

00:30:34.680 he said she

00:30:36.140 was a secret

00:30:36.820 Hamas supporter

00:30:37.580 of some kind

00:30:38.160 yeah

00:30:38.620 a sympathizer

00:30:39.940 and so

00:30:41.740 I have to tell you

00:30:42.600 for me and my

00:30:43.420 jaded colleagues

00:30:44.400 not the

00:30:45.540 and I would say

00:30:46.160 that there's a lot

00:30:46.860 of first time

00:30:47.460 MLAs in that

00:30:48.300 caucus

00:30:48.620 they were horrified

00:30:50.040 I had one

00:30:50.800 whose voice

00:30:51.940 was cracking

00:30:52.540 I had another

00:30:53.280 one who told me

00:30:53.980 that his entire

00:30:54.840 family was calling

00:30:56.440 him

00:30:56.880 and his wife

00:30:57.940 was telling him

00:30:58.640 how disappointed

00:30:59.620 she was in him

00:31:01.320 and that he was

00:31:02.600 worried about

00:31:03.120 this MLAs

00:31:03.840 mental health

00:31:04.420 it was absolute

00:31:05.220 chaos

00:31:05.820 it was that

00:31:06.740 shit show

00:31:08.320 going on

00:31:08.980 the other thing

00:31:10.120 is that me

00:31:11.200 and my colleagues

00:31:11.900 were standing there

00:31:12.600 watching us

00:31:13.140 I have to tell you

00:31:13.760 we were laughing

00:31:14.580 our asses off

00:31:15.520 at one point

00:31:16.200 because it

00:31:17.440 reminded us

00:31:18.320 of that show

00:31:19.320 in the thick of it

00:31:20.160 with Malcolm Tucker

00:31:21.040 it was just

00:31:21.900 absolute chaos

00:31:22.980 and it wasn't

00:31:25.240 we weren't laughing

00:31:26.040 about the mental health

00:31:26.860 but when he did

00:31:27.640 the overreach

00:31:28.380 jump the shark

00:31:29.160 suggesting that

00:31:30.420 she was some sort

00:31:31.060 of Hamas

00:31:31.620 secret agent

00:31:32.580 in the

00:31:33.060 or sympathizer

00:31:33.920 in the caucus

00:31:34.540 to us

00:31:35.300 that was just

00:31:35.820 a bridge too far

00:31:36.880 but it

00:31:38.580 from that point on

00:31:39.700 it really speaks

00:31:40.940 and it has spoken

00:31:41.760 and I would say

00:31:42.680 that John

00:31:43.680 what may not be

00:31:45.540 visible

00:31:46.200 or obvious

00:31:46.900 to the observers

00:31:48.260 across the country

00:31:49.420 or who haven't

00:31:51.320 had a first hand

00:31:52.300 or a front row seat

00:31:53.660 to the John Rustad show

00:31:55.140 when he became leader

00:31:58.120 and I'll be very honest

00:31:59.200 with you

00:31:59.440 there were a lot

00:32:00.060 of us

00:32:00.380 that had worked

00:32:01.120 for Gordon Campbell

00:32:01.980 including myself

00:32:02.840 in communications

00:32:03.980 that you know

00:32:05.740 I've known John

00:32:06.400 26 years

00:32:07.260 I think it is

00:32:08.080 and I know

00:32:09.920 what his strengths

00:32:10.640 are

00:32:10.920 and leadership

00:32:11.560 definitely wasn't

00:32:12.420 one of them

00:32:13.000 but we needed

00:32:14.220 somebody that was

00:32:15.280 charismatic

00:32:15.920 that was

00:32:17.280 that could

00:32:17.740 that could bridge

00:32:18.880 the 604

00:32:21.720 and the 250s

00:32:23.080 together

00:32:23.480 which is

00:32:24.780 you know

00:32:24.960 our resource communities

00:32:26.100 how this province

00:32:27.180 works

00:32:27.660 with the First Nations

00:32:29.520 communities

00:32:29.960 and then with

00:32:30.460 Metro Vancouver

00:32:31.180 which conservatives

00:32:32.080 or right of center

00:32:33.760 have a hard time

00:32:34.500 breaking through

00:32:35.240 or have had a hard time

00:32:37.160 breaking it through

00:32:37.840 but it has been

00:32:38.860 once

00:32:39.460 one ridiculous

00:32:40.840 and sometimes

00:32:42.600 even offensive error

00:32:44.040 what goes on

00:32:45.320 in that little

00:32:46.660 thiefdom

00:32:47.820 of the leader's office

00:32:49.040 is embarrassing

00:32:49.680 the other thing is

00:32:50.540 is he's got

00:32:51.100 three prominent

00:32:52.900 hardcore

00:32:54.020 former NDP organizers

00:32:56.800 and a federal liberal

00:32:58.480 now and there

00:32:59.240 and he's gotten rid

00:33:01.360 of all of his

00:33:01.880 conservative

00:33:02.360 or I don't even know

00:33:03.380 if there was a lot

00:33:04.400 of conservative stuff

00:33:05.100 but his inner circle

00:33:06.240 is NDP

00:33:08.080 and federal liberal

00:33:09.520 and you've got

00:33:11.400 one of his

00:33:12.440 his new assistant director

00:33:14.820 or assistant chief of staff

00:33:16.820 Ryan Painter

00:33:17.640 has a reputation

00:33:19.240 for decimating

00:33:20.840 female conservative pundits

00:33:22.460 like myself

00:33:23.080 I have a litany

00:33:24.100 of things

00:33:24.680 I could accuse him of

00:33:25.720 and he had started

00:33:26.820 an apology tour with me

00:33:28.240 I should have known then

00:33:29.820 that there was something up

00:33:31.160 he was flipping over

00:33:32.080 to the conservative side

00:33:33.400 but getting back

00:33:34.240 to what's happened

00:33:34.960 as of 11 o'clock

00:33:36.700 pacific time today

00:33:37.720 the board of the party

00:33:40.080 has finally written

00:33:41.480 John Rustad a letter

00:33:42.580 and they have

00:33:43.920 it's a traditional

00:33:45.440 typical

00:33:46.180 we'd like you

00:33:47.220 we don't support you

00:33:48.080 we'd like you to leave

00:33:48.820 but what you can take

00:33:50.200 away from this letter

00:33:51.260 which differentiates it

00:33:53.480 from other letters

00:33:54.380 or other situations

00:33:55.860 like this

00:33:56.360 that I've witnessed

00:33:57.800 or participated in

00:33:59.200 is that they don't

00:34:00.500 even tell him

00:34:01.400 that they want him

00:34:02.160 to stay

00:34:02.660 while they choose

00:34:03.420 an interim leader

00:34:04.240 or decide on

00:34:05.200 what the leadership

00:34:05.760 looks like

00:34:06.400 they want him gone

00:34:07.480 ASAP

00:34:08.120 and by the way

00:34:08.800 don't let the door

00:34:09.760 hit you on the way out

00:34:10.960 and so that makes

00:34:13.100 it very different

00:34:13.900 this is also

00:34:14.660 a very new party

00:34:16.300 and I think

00:34:17.420 what John Rustad

00:34:18.240 always

00:34:18.800 and your viewers

00:34:20.720 and even

00:34:21.400 maybe some of you

00:34:22.180 won't know

00:34:22.720 but John Rustad

00:34:23.920 when I was with

00:34:24.740 the BC Liberals

00:34:25.960 took a hard run

00:34:27.720 at my boss

00:34:28.500 at Gordon Campbell

00:34:29.520 or at least

00:34:31.440 in Rustad land

00:34:32.380 it was a hard

00:34:33.040 hard run

00:34:33.720 and he failed

00:34:36.120 he

00:34:36.740 I believe

00:34:37.300 he always wanted

00:34:38.060 to be leader

00:34:38.660 and what he really liked

00:34:40.160 and what he still

00:34:40.840 I think covets

00:34:41.820 is the 2009 to 2011

00:34:46.220 BC Liberal Party

00:34:47.680 because we were

00:34:48.540 a machine

00:34:50.100 in communications

00:34:51.140 we were getting

00:34:52.600 more conservative

00:34:53.500 we were probably

00:34:54.460 presenting more

00:34:55.320 social credit

00:34:56.160 and we were getting

00:34:58.440 a lot of attacks

00:35:00.800 in with the NDP

00:35:01.640 I'm very proud

00:35:02.480 of that time

00:35:03.220 and I think

00:35:04.560 what he thought

00:35:05.140 when he took it over

00:35:06.100 because he just

00:35:07.060 it was a cakewalk

00:35:07.960 he just grabbed

00:35:08.560 the leadership

00:35:09.040 and took everybody

00:35:10.400 out to the election

00:35:11.280 basically

00:35:11.820 I think

00:35:12.760 what he thought

00:35:13.340 he was going to do

00:35:14.220 is create that

00:35:15.580 that certain period

00:35:16.940 of time

00:35:17.340 of the BC Liberal Party

00:35:18.360 and put it into

00:35:19.220 the BC Conservative Party

00:35:20.800 but he doesn't

00:35:22.460 his follow through

00:35:23.860 has always been terrible

00:35:25.320 he has a

00:35:27.640 I think he has

00:35:28.880 a little ADD

00:35:29.760 I don't think

00:35:30.460 he understands

00:35:31.140 how to put things together

00:35:32.240 what the expertise

00:35:33.260 and the team

00:35:34.020 that needs to be there

00:35:34.940 to have that type

00:35:35.680 of discipline

00:35:36.560 and consistency

00:35:37.360 because the two things

00:35:38.920 that John Rustad's team

00:35:40.280 isn't disciplined

00:35:41.520 and consistent

00:35:42.420 and there is a level

00:35:44.080 of pure meanness

00:35:45.920 that is

00:35:46.620 that has

00:35:47.420 is notorious

00:35:48.760 or infamous

00:35:50.140 when we think about

00:35:51.460 that leader's office too

00:35:52.560 so anyway

00:35:53.460 he

00:35:53.900 I don't

00:35:54.420 I don't suspect

00:35:55.360 that he'll make it

00:35:56.420 past the weekend

00:35:57.660 but he obviously

00:35:59.420 can't come out

00:36:00.040 and resign right away

00:36:01.000 when he receives

00:36:01.640 that letter

00:36:02.140 because he needs to look

00:36:03.080 like he's in control

00:36:04.000 yeah

00:36:04.860 um

00:36:06.060 yeah

00:36:07.220 it's

00:36:07.560 I

00:36:07.780 I thought for some time

00:36:10.100 it's

00:36:10.600 it doesn't look

00:36:11.880 like he's

00:36:13.140 gonna be able to hang on

00:36:14.460 um

00:36:15.360 you know

00:36:15.920 I had talked to

00:36:16.900 some folks

00:36:18.100 I know

00:36:18.800 or have met

00:36:19.720 in the BC Conservatives

00:36:21.000 about what's going on there

00:36:22.280 I said

00:36:22.600 you know

00:36:23.620 and early on

00:36:24.380 I was like

00:36:25.160 you know

00:36:25.640 especially when Rustad

00:36:26.680 expelled two

00:36:27.620 MLA's from the right wing

00:36:28.980 of the party

00:36:29.480 and I said

00:36:30.620 you know

00:36:31.320 it's growing pains

00:36:33.160 you guys

00:36:34.040 your growing pains

00:36:34.980 in the BC Conservatives

00:36:35.880 are so much easier

00:36:37.280 than it was

00:36:37.820 for Alberta Conservatives

00:36:38.940 we had this war

00:36:40.360 that went on

00:36:41.060 forever

00:36:41.500 you can go back to

00:36:42.400 essentially like

00:36:44.120 2001

00:36:45.000 with the Alberta Alliance

00:36:46.420 and transforming into

00:36:47.560 the Wild Rose Alliance

00:36:48.720 to the Wild Rose Party

00:36:49.920 and then eventually

00:36:51.200 to the United Conservative Party

00:36:52.920 and then that

00:36:53.840 it

00:36:54.460 that is

00:36:55.260 the UCP

00:36:56.200 has only achieved peace

00:36:57.200 really ever since

00:36:58.200 Daniel Smith

00:36:58.840 won the last election

00:37:00.960 there wasn't even peace

00:37:02.160 in that party

00:37:02.720 when it became

00:37:03.120 the United Conservative Party

00:37:04.060 so it was like

00:37:05.160 you know what

00:37:05.540 you guys

00:37:06.300 you avoided even having

00:37:07.660 a single election

00:37:08.520 against the BC United Liberals

00:37:10.480 your war is much cleaner

00:37:13.760 you'll figure it out

00:37:15.000 find a way to bring

00:37:16.540 those two back

00:37:17.080 and make peace with them

00:37:18.100 they do not seem

00:37:21.400 to have done that

00:37:22.180 they have doubled down

00:37:24.020 on chaos

00:37:25.340 now

00:37:26.000 I don't know

00:37:27.580 all these individuals

00:37:28.440 maybe

00:37:28.940 I mean

00:37:30.160 new parties

00:37:30.740 new MLAs

00:37:31.560 you're gonna have

00:37:32.160 it's not as established

00:37:33.260 the politicians

00:37:34.020 are not gonna be as polished

00:37:35.420 which is a good thing

00:37:36.700 in many ways

00:37:37.380 but at the same time

00:37:38.400 it means they're also

00:37:38.940 more likely to be

00:37:40.480 rambunctious

00:37:41.440 and rebellious

00:37:42.640 so you know

00:37:44.560 maybe Jung Rastat

00:37:45.240 is just the only adult

00:37:46.260 in the room

00:37:46.640 and everyone else

00:37:47.280 is crazy

00:37:47.780 possible

00:37:48.800 I don't know

00:37:49.520 everyone out there

00:37:50.380 but Lindsay

00:37:53.640 it doesn't look

00:37:54.380 to me

00:37:54.840 like

00:37:56.040 that could be

00:37:58.560 the case

00:37:58.860 at this point

00:37:59.260 he's lost

00:37:59.560 five MLAs

00:38:00.440 from the left wing

00:38:01.140 and the right wing

00:38:01.820 of the party

00:38:02.360 people leave

00:38:04.380 donors

00:38:04.720 you gotta remember

00:38:06.600 the party

00:38:07.460 is carrying

00:38:08.000 a significant amount

00:38:08.940 of debt

00:38:09.260 there isn't

00:38:10.140 one person

00:38:10.980 that wants

00:38:11.380 to give him

00:38:11.820 a buck

00:38:12.220 and it's not

00:38:13.020 because they

00:38:13.460 don't want

00:38:13.840 to help

00:38:14.100 the party

00:38:14.540 but they have

00:38:15.100 told John

00:38:15.640 and I know

00:38:16.140 this for a fact

00:38:16.960 they have told him

00:38:18.020 the taps are turned off

00:38:19.160 and it's been going on

00:38:20.100 for a long time now

00:38:21.140 and the final warning

00:38:22.760 the final push

00:38:23.820 came just

00:38:24.560 I think

00:38:25.080 36 hours ago

00:38:26.280 I was speaking

00:38:26.760 to somebody

00:38:27.280 relatively

00:38:27.840 well very well

00:38:29.040 connected

00:38:29.420 and is known

00:38:30.380 to be a good donor

00:38:31.340 to the party

00:38:32.100 and just said no

00:38:33.120 because there's also

00:38:33.980 questions about

00:38:34.620 where some of this

00:38:35.360 money has gone

00:38:36.340 it is

00:38:37.000 this story

00:38:37.740 is not just

00:38:38.820 about a guy

00:38:40.140 that said something

00:38:41.040 that at best

00:38:42.740 was really mean

00:38:43.880 and stupid

00:38:44.420 and at worst

00:38:45.260 litigious

00:38:45.900 or legally

00:38:46.800 made us

00:38:48.660 legally vulnerable

00:38:49.400 this goes

00:38:50.420 into management

00:38:51.660 it goes

00:38:52.840 into

00:38:53.620 there's

00:38:54.660 is there

00:38:55.160 negligence

00:38:55.980 there

00:38:56.260 there's a whole

00:38:57.480 bunch of problems

00:38:58.280 and the BCNDP

00:38:59.500 is likely

00:39:00.600 to call a spring

00:39:01.400 election

00:39:01.760 because this

00:39:02.460 is good

00:39:02.800 as it's going

00:39:03.260 to get

00:39:03.520 for EB

00:39:03.880 and he's

00:39:04.320 got his own

00:39:04.940 knives out

00:39:05.520 in his caucus

00:39:06.240 so there's

00:39:07.120 a lot more

00:39:07.760 to this

00:39:08.360 all right

00:39:09.100 so

00:39:09.600 Nigel

00:39:11.480 it's

00:39:11.840 ever

00:39:12.520 Liz Truss

00:39:13.400 I was

00:39:14.340 very sad

00:39:15.080 to see what

00:39:15.400 happened

00:39:15.580 I really like

00:39:16.280 Liz Truss

00:39:16.720 I think

00:39:17.060 she could

00:39:17.440 have been

00:39:17.680 a really

00:39:18.180 great prime

00:39:19.360 minister

00:39:19.600 if she had

00:39:20.120 more than

00:39:20.840 like a

00:39:22.380 week or

00:39:23.220 two

00:39:23.700 like it was

00:39:24.180 so short-lived

00:39:25.660 that her

00:39:26.280 premiership

00:39:27.700 but you know

00:39:29.200 I remember

00:39:29.540 I don't know

00:39:30.140 if it was

00:39:30.280 Daily Mail

00:39:30.840 or one of the

00:39:31.500 major British

00:39:31.980 publications

00:39:32.480 had a

00:39:33.040 head of

00:39:34.060 lettuce

00:39:34.300 and said

00:39:34.760 which will

00:39:35.120 survive longer

00:39:35.920 Liz Truss's

00:39:36.900 prime

00:39:37.120 or this

00:39:37.720 head of

00:39:37.980 lettuce

00:39:38.200 it was

00:39:39.500 pretty funny

00:39:40.100 if I

00:39:42.260 was to

00:39:42.760 put a

00:39:43.040 head of

00:39:43.280 lettuce

00:39:43.620 in our

00:39:44.220 newsroom

00:39:44.620 right now

00:39:45.000 Nigel

00:39:45.380 which one

00:39:45.860 do you

00:39:46.040 think

00:39:46.260 lasts

00:39:46.540 longer

00:39:46.880 after

00:39:49.200 listening

00:39:49.580 to

00:39:49.900 Elise

00:39:50.340 I think

00:39:51.600 the

00:39:52.100 head of

00:39:53.320 lettuce

00:39:53.580 has got

00:39:54.020 it

00:39:54.240 by a

00:39:55.420 long shot

00:39:56.240 the one

00:39:57.260 thing that

00:39:57.700 I'm

00:39:57.980 wondering

00:39:58.900 here

00:39:59.200 is there

00:40:00.340 somebody

00:40:00.880 and I

00:40:01.560 guess I

00:40:01.940 should be

00:40:02.340 directing

00:40:02.840 this to

00:40:03.340 Elise

00:40:03.720 is there

00:40:04.920 somebody

00:40:05.340 in the

00:40:06.040 party

00:40:06.420 who is

00:40:07.400 the

00:40:07.640 obvious

00:40:08.280 replacement

00:40:09.260 or

00:40:10.260 is the

00:40:11.300 power base

00:40:12.120 so distributed

00:40:13.260 that it's

00:40:13.680 going to be

00:40:14.120 a fist fight

00:40:15.400 even trying

00:40:15.980 to find a

00:40:16.880 new leader

00:40:17.340 to take

00:40:17.760 over

00:40:18.080 from

00:40:18.440 Rustad

00:40:18.920 should he

00:40:19.860 do the

00:40:20.180 right thing

00:40:20.700 and resign

00:40:22.600 well I

00:40:24.540 think the

00:40:24.920 way that it

00:40:25.340 would go

00:40:25.780 and I

00:40:26.220 think this

00:40:26.660 is the

00:40:26.960 agreement

00:40:27.380 amongst

00:40:28.260 the

00:40:28.660 gentleman's

00:40:29.540 handshake

00:40:30.020 agreement

00:40:30.480 amongst

00:40:31.280 caucus

00:40:31.740 and the

00:40:32.080 party

00:40:32.300 brass

00:40:32.760 is that

00:40:33.720 there's

00:40:34.960 a gentleman

00:40:35.380 by the

00:40:36.440 name of

00:40:36.780 Ward

00:40:37.220 Stamer

00:40:38.360 Starmer

00:40:38.940 unfortunate

00:40:39.820 last name

00:40:40.420 there

00:40:40.700 but

00:40:41.820 there's

00:40:42.920 gentlemen

00:40:43.240 like him

00:40:44.040 that I

00:40:44.700 believe

00:40:45.340 and I

00:40:45.800 might be

00:40:46.300 wrong

00:40:46.620 have agreed

00:40:47.520 to be

00:40:47.860 the

00:40:48.000 insure

00:40:48.300 leader

00:40:48.580 so you

00:40:48.980 need

00:40:49.160 somebody

00:40:49.480 that's

00:40:49.800 steady

00:40:50.080 that the

00:40:50.580 caucus

00:40:50.880 really

00:40:51.460 likes

00:40:51.900 but

00:40:52.600 after that

00:40:53.480 the

00:40:53.900 leadership

00:40:54.360 the

00:40:55.280 leadership

00:40:55.740 the

00:40:56.180 politics

00:40:56.800 of it

00:40:57.240 that

00:40:57.880 already

00:40:58.140 started

00:40:58.680 today

00:40:59.100 at the

00:40:59.400 truck

00:40:59.600 loggers

00:40:59.980 association

00:41:00.580 luncheon

00:41:01.100 where all

00:41:01.660 the big

00:41:02.040 wigs and

00:41:02.620 all the

00:41:03.020 political

00:41:03.400 fixers and

00:41:04.100 movers and

00:41:04.560 shakers

00:41:04.900 they go to

00:41:05.880 this lunch

00:41:06.420 and John

00:41:06.780 Rustad was

00:41:07.300 supposed to

00:41:07.660 speak there

00:41:08.100 and I

00:41:08.780 don't even

00:41:09.060 know if he

00:41:09.480 ended up

00:41:09.840 showing up

00:41:10.320 but I

00:41:10.540 can tell

00:41:10.920 you

00:41:11.160 there are

00:41:12.220 some

00:41:12.740 people out

00:41:13.420 there

00:41:13.720 that are

00:41:14.220 pushing

00:41:14.580 certain

00:41:15.000 candidates

00:41:15.360 so I

00:41:15.840 know of

00:41:16.140 at least

00:41:16.640 three

00:41:17.020 at this

00:41:17.560 particular

00:41:17.980 moment

00:41:18.380 there's

00:41:18.720 definitely

00:41:19.060 people that

00:41:19.700 can take

00:41:20.140 over

00:41:20.460 the question

00:41:21.380 is

00:41:21.860 the people

00:41:22.760 that are

00:41:23.080 trying to

00:41:23.460 push that

00:41:23.960 are formerly

00:41:24.760 BC liberal

00:41:25.780 types like

00:41:26.740 myself

00:41:27.340 who haven't

00:41:28.320 learned the

00:41:28.840 lessons

00:41:29.280 you know I

00:41:30.000 left the

00:41:30.400 BC liberals

00:41:31.040 when Christy

00:41:31.740 Clark really

00:41:32.520 turned that

00:41:33.260 into a

00:41:33.780 corrupted

00:41:34.140 machine

00:41:34.700 I am

00:41:35.900 looking for

00:41:36.440 real

00:41:36.780 conservatism

00:41:37.560 I do not

00:41:38.540 want somebody

00:41:39.080 that's had

00:41:39.700 some position

00:41:40.480 as a

00:41:40.880 spokesperson

00:41:41.220 somewhere

00:41:41.880 I want

00:41:43.140 somebody that's

00:41:43.740 had a real

00:41:44.280 job before

00:41:44.980 this

00:41:45.340 I want

00:41:46.040 somebody that

00:41:46.620 understands

00:41:47.440 what real

00:41:48.260 people really

00:41:49.120 need

00:41:49.600 and to

00:41:50.240 grow the

00:41:50.740 party

00:41:51.140 along with

00:41:51.880 them

00:41:52.100 and there

00:41:52.660 is a

00:41:53.120 particular

00:41:53.440 candidate

00:41:53.840 that I

00:41:54.200 have my

00:41:54.920 eye on

00:41:55.320 in regards

00:41:55.740 to that

00:41:56.220 all right

00:41:57.260 well maybe

00:41:57.960 that'll be

00:41:58.360 on the

00:41:58.740 next episode

00:41:59.360 we got to

00:41:59.920 put a

00:42:00.220 pin in it

00:42:00.580 there

00:42:00.860 and go

00:42:01.980 to our

00:42:02.380 parting

00:42:02.740 shots

00:42:03.060 starting

00:42:03.460 with

00:42:03.700 Nigel

00:42:04.020 well you

00:42:05.280 know

00:42:05.520 Mr.

00:42:06.080 Gilbo

00:42:06.420 he's always

00:42:08.380 good for a

00:42:09.000 bad quote

00:42:09.440 he came out

00:42:09.920 yesterday

00:42:10.640 and said

00:42:11.380 that the

00:42:12.740 CBC

00:42:13.100 needs

00:42:13.980 to have

00:42:14.780 more money

00:42:15.360 so that

00:42:16.500 it can

00:42:17.120 conduct

00:42:17.640 unbiased

00:42:18.780 local

00:42:19.300 reporting

00:42:19.840 I have

00:42:21.180 to wonder

00:42:21.680 whether

00:42:22.340 Mr.

00:42:23.540 Gilbo

00:42:23.900 knows

00:42:24.460 what

00:42:24.740 unbiased

00:42:25.440 reporting

00:42:25.940 is

00:42:26.360 and for

00:42:27.900 that matter

00:42:28.320 whether

00:42:28.600 the

00:42:28.860 CBC

00:42:29.280 itself

00:42:30.720 knows

00:42:31.160 what

00:42:31.400 unbiased

00:42:31.980 reporting

00:42:32.420 is

00:42:32.700 I mean

00:42:33.100 it's

00:42:33.320 just

00:42:33.580 the

00:42:34.420 first

00:42:34.700 decision

00:42:35.200 is

00:42:35.580 what

00:42:35.920 do

00:42:36.080 we

00:42:36.220 even

00:42:36.500 report

00:42:36.940 and

00:42:37.120 they

00:42:37.260 ignore

00:42:37.500 the

00:42:37.640 right

00:42:37.820 all right

00:42:38.840 uh

00:42:40.340 Elise

00:42:40.980 my

00:42:42.680 parting

00:42:42.960 shot

00:42:43.260 is

00:42:43.440 to

00:42:43.580 the

00:42:43.720 carny

00:42:44.000 liberals

00:42:44.420 who

00:42:44.820 betrayed

00:42:45.400 Canadian

00:42:46.300 manufacturers

00:42:47.080 and Canadians

00:42:47.760 across the

00:42:48.360 country

00:42:48.580 this week

00:42:49.120 when they

00:42:49.540 decided to

00:42:50.280 support

00:42:50.800 the UN's

00:42:52.480 taxes

00:42:52.920 and levies

00:42:53.640 or

00:42:54.140 global

00:42:55.140 carbon tax

00:42:56.260 for marine

00:42:57.620 traffic

00:42:58.160 30%

00:42:59.840 of our

00:43:00.240 GDP

00:43:00.660 is tied

00:43:01.260 to

00:43:01.700 pushing

00:43:02.100 our

00:43:02.340 products

00:43:02.760 out

00:43:03.100 across

00:43:03.500 the

00:43:03.700 waters

00:43:04.040 and

00:43:04.760 it's

00:43:04.980 an

00:43:05.080 absolute

00:43:05.380 betrayal

00:43:05.880 it's

00:43:06.180 also

00:43:06.520 one

00:43:06.820 of

00:43:06.900 the

00:43:07.020 worst

00:43:07.220 cases

00:43:07.560 of

00:43:07.760 doublespeak

00:43:08.420 you

00:43:08.800 oppose

00:43:09.140 the

00:43:09.320 carbon

00:43:09.560 tax

00:43:09.920 but

00:43:10.080 you

00:43:10.200 won't

00:43:10.420 won't

00:43:10.960 actually

00:43:11.240 get

00:43:11.440 rid

00:43:11.740 of

00:43:11.900 it

00:43:12.100 the

00:43:12.300 consumer

00:43:12.620 carbon

00:43:12.920 tax

00:43:13.220 in

00:43:13.380 Canada

00:43:13.660 you

00:43:14.060 kept

00:43:14.280 the

00:43:14.420 industrial

00:43:14.780 one

00:43:15.120 and

00:43:15.500 now

00:43:15.860 the

00:43:16.380 UN

00:43:16.680 who

00:43:16.900 should

00:43:17.120 not

00:43:17.420 even

00:43:17.620 be

00:43:17.940 in

00:43:18.120 the

00:43:18.220 business

00:43:18.560 of

00:43:18.800 taxes

00:43:19.200 and

00:43:19.420 levies

00:43:19.720 that

00:43:19.920 is

00:43:20.080 not

00:43:20.360 their

00:43:20.580 lane

00:43:20.960 you've

00:43:21.680 empowered

00:43:22.120 them

00:43:22.580 through

00:43:23.020 this

00:43:23.200 legislation

00:43:23.660 the

00:43:23.960 other

00:43:24.240 side

00:43:24.560 to

00:43:24.700 this

00:43:24.840 very

00:43:25.060 quickly

00:43:25.420 is

00:43:25.860 Trump

00:43:26.240 the

00:43:26.520 Trump

00:43:26.780 White

00:43:27.000 House

00:43:27.240 for

00:43:27.420 several

00:43:27.800 months

00:43:28.100 had

00:43:28.260 warned

00:43:28.720 the

00:43:29.020 Carney

00:43:29.460 cabinet

00:43:30.040 and

00:43:30.520 Carney

00:43:30.840 himself

00:43:31.280 you

00:43:31.680 support

00:43:32.080 that

00:43:32.400 we

00:43:32.720 will

00:43:32.900 retaliate

00:43:33.640 this

00:43:34.200 story

00:43:34.560 I

00:43:41.740 a

00:43:41.900 can

00:43:42.140 of

00:43:42.300 worms

00:43:42.560 there

00:43:42.880 all

00:43:43.940 right

00:43:44.180 Lindsay

00:43:45.200 this

00:43:45.600 is

00:43:45.660 your

00:43:45.820 first

00:43:46.060 parting

00:43:46.340 shot

00:43:46.720 okay

00:43:47.620 well

00:43:48.420 I

00:43:48.620 just

00:43:48.800 I

00:43:48.960 think

00:43:49.100 I

00:43:49.180 want

00:43:49.300 to

00:43:49.400 close

00:43:49.840 this

00:43:50.960 loop

00:43:51.180 on

00:43:51.400 the

00:43:51.520 municipal

00:43:51.840 election

00:43:52.320 cycle

00:43:52.640 as

00:43:52.800 somebody

00:43:53.000 who

00:43:53.120 is

00:43:53.220 working

00:43:53.480 on

00:43:53.660 it

00:43:53.820 I

00:43:53.940 probably

00:43:54.180 worked

00:43:54.400 on

00:43:54.480 the

00:43:54.600 Jeff

00:43:54.740 Davison

00:43:55.060 campaign

00:43:55.460 team

00:43:55.860 we

00:43:56.440 lost

00:43:56.800 we

00:43:57.000 have

00:43:57.100 a

00:43:57.180 new

00:43:57.300 mayor

00:43:57.460 elect

00:43:57.780 Jeremy

00:43:58.180 Farkas

00:43:58.680 and

00:43:59.960 I

00:44:00.180 think

00:44:00.420 we

00:44:00.640 need

00:44:00.960 to

00:44:01.380 stop

00:44:02.480 dividing

00:44:03.280 we

00:44:03.640 need

00:44:03.920 to

00:44:04.200 approach

00:44:05.140 this

00:44:05.360 from

00:44:05.500 a

00:44:05.620 place

00:44:11.740 with

00:44:12.600 the

00:44:12.840 tools

00:44:13.240 with

00:44:13.520 the

00:44:13.660 experience

00:44:14.340 with

00:44:14.580 the

00:44:14.740 wisdom

00:44:15.040 so

00:44:15.740 we

00:44:15.920 don't

00:44:16.120 have

00:44:16.300 this

00:44:16.480 division

00:44:16.900 and

00:44:17.340 we

00:44:17.460 don't

00:44:17.600 have

00:44:17.780 this

00:44:17.940 left

00:44:18.260 versus

00:44:18.640 right

00:44:19.160 at

00:44:19.380 the

00:44:19.500 municipal

00:44:19.900 level

00:44:20.460 I

00:44:21.280 think

00:44:21.580 you

00:44:21.860 know

00:44:22.000 a

00:44:22.200 shout

00:44:22.400 out

00:44:22.620 Lindsay

00:44:23.020 Clark

00:44:23.520 took

00:44:24.140 it

00:44:24.400 down

00:44:24.760 in

00:44:25.040 medicine

00:44:25.560 hat

00:44:26.100 and

00:44:26.340 that's

00:44:26.540 really

00:44:26.800 interesting

00:44:27.320 as

00:44:28.040 she

00:44:28.280 had

00:44:28.520 lawsuits

00:44:28.960 and

00:44:29.260 she

00:44:29.380 had

00:44:29.540 all

00:44:29.880 of

00:44:30.040 this

00:44:30.220 stuff

00:44:30.480 and

00:44:30.580 it

00:44:30.720 seen

00:44:30.900 as

00:44:31.040 a

00:44:31.140 real

00:44:31.300 vindication

00:44:31.980 she

00:44:32.580 took

00:44:32.800 out

00:44:32.960 popular

00:44:33.360 conservative

00:44:33.960 choice

00:44:34.380 Drew

00:44:34.640 Barnes

00:44:35.260 former

00:44:36.140 MLA

00:44:37.000 and

00:44:37.340 that's

00:44:37.740 a

00:44:37.820 really

00:44:37.960 interesting

00:44:38.380 story

00:44:38.900 and

00:44:39.200 out

00:44:40.000 where

00:44:40.180 I

00:44:40.340 live

00:44:41.400 in

00:44:41.560 Cochran

00:44:41.960 we

00:44:42.200 had

00:44:42.440 another

00:44:42.800 councillor

00:44:43.560 who was

00:44:43.740 elected

00:44:43.960 Marnie

00:44:44.240 Fideko

00:44:44.640 who had

00:44:45.360 also

00:44:45.680 taken

00:44:45.960 on

00:44:46.160 administration

00:44:46.800 incurred

00:44:47.380 a lot

00:44:47.560 of

00:44:47.680 legal

00:44:47.900 bills

00:44:48.200 so

00:44:48.760 I

00:44:49.160 just

00:44:49.460 want

00:44:49.600 to

00:44:49.680 say

00:44:49.800 that

00:44:49.920 it's

00:44:50.080 really

00:44:50.340 hard

00:44:50.600 to

00:44:50.740 be

00:44:50.860 an

00:44:50.980 elected

00:44:51.240 official

00:44:51.640 and

00:44:52.360 when

00:44:52.560 you're

00:44:52.900 having

00:44:53.140 these

00:44:53.380 battles

00:44:53.740 with

00:44:54.000 administration

00:44:54.720 and

00:44:55.100 being

00:44:55.300 silenced

00:44:55.880 and

00:44:56.060 being

00:44:56.260 muzzled

00:44:56.740 we

00:44:57.140 need

00:44:57.460 to

00:44:57.600 help

00:44:57.780 these

00:44:57.940 people

00:44:58.180 and

00:44:58.340 stand

00:44:58.600 up

00:44:58.740 for

00:44:58.860 them

00:44:59.020 regardless

00:44:59.360 of

00:44:59.620 what

00:44:59.760 side

00:44:59.980 of

00:45:00.080 the

00:45:00.200 political

00:45:00.480 spectrum

00:45:00.920 they

00:45:01.200 stand

00:45:01.500 on

00:45:01.680 so

00:45:01.920 shout

00:45:02.720 out

00:45:02.840 to

00:45:02.940 those

00:45:03.160 two

00:45:03.380 for

00:45:03.740 their

00:45:04.700 victories

00:45:05.140 in

00:45:05.500 the

00:45:06.220 municipal

00:45:06.580 cycle

00:45:07.000 this

00:45:07.320 season

00:45:08.580 I

00:45:09.300 want

00:45:09.800 to

00:45:09.900 call

00:45:10.080 out

00:45:10.400 the

00:45:11.040 pearl

00:45:11.420 clutching

00:45:12.180 legacy

00:45:12.800 media

00:45:13.220 for

00:45:14.120 its

00:45:14.480 wild

00:45:15.040 reaction

00:45:15.580 to

00:45:16.000 Pierre

00:45:16.440 Poliev

00:45:16.800 comments

00:45:18.820 about

00:45:19.160 the

00:45:19.320 RCMP

00:45:19.900 being

00:45:20.660 political

00:45:21.340 that's

00:45:22.280 the

00:45:22.880 reason

00:45:24.180 why

00:45:24.520 Justin

00:45:24.740 Trudeau

00:45:25.080 never

00:45:25.360 faced

00:45:25.700 criminal

00:45:26.060 charges

00:45:26.440 Justin

00:45:27.280 Trudeau

00:45:27.600 has

00:45:27.740 broken

00:45:28.040 some

00:45:28.340 major

00:45:29.000 laws

00:45:29.620 during

00:45:29.940 his

00:45:30.180 time

00:45:30.460 in

00:45:30.600 office

00:45:30.960 the

00:45:32.480 police

00:45:32.900 should

00:45:33.940 you

00:45:36.480 know

00:45:36.640 not

00:45:37.020 target

00:45:37.400 someone

00:45:37.640 just

00:45:37.820 because

00:45:38.320 they

00:45:38.620 have

00:45:38.760 a

00:45:38.840 high

00:45:38.980 public

00:45:39.260 profile

00:45:39.780 wink

00:45:40.960 wink

00:45:41.200 I

00:45:41.380 can

00:45:41.520 tell

00:45:42.020 you

00:45:42.120 that

00:45:42.380 but

00:45:43.000 neither

00:45:43.440 should

00:45:43.960 they

00:45:44.140 do

00:45:44.300 the

00:45:44.500 opposite

00:45:44.860 and

00:45:45.820 look

00:45:46.200 the

00:45:46.360 other

00:45:46.560 way

00:45:46.940 because

00:45:47.320 someone

00:45:47.740 has

00:45:48.080 high

00:45:48.300 public

00:45:48.580 profile

00:45:49.060 or

00:45:49.400 is

00:45:49.560 politically

00:45:49.940 powerful

00:45:50.500 the

00:45:51.380 RCMP

00:45:52.000 is

00:45:52.460 not

00:45:52.900 above

00:45:53.460 criticism

00:45:54.220 this

00:45:55.180 would

00:45:55.300 be

00:45:55.440 different

00:45:55.720 if

00:45:55.940 Pierre

00:45:56.120 Poliev

00:45:56.400 was

00:45:56.540 in

00:45:56.680 power

00:45:57.000 and

00:45:57.240 he

00:45:57.380 was

00:45:57.560 directing

00:45:58.120 the

00:45:58.360 RCMP

00:45:58.900 to

00:45:59.240 file

00:45:59.560 charges

00:46:00.020 that

00:46:00.520 would

00:46:00.660 be

00:46:00.780 over

00:46:00.940 the

00:46:01.060 line

00:46:01.300 that's

00:46:01.540 not

00:46:01.680 the

00:46:01.780 way

00:46:01.900 our

00:46:02.060 system

00:46:02.320 works

00:46:02.720 that

00:46:03.920 would

00:46:04.120 be

00:46:04.400 or

00:46:04.660 if

00:46:04.960 he

00:46:05.080 or

00:46:05.340 Pierre

00:46:06.100 Poliev

00:46:06.360 was

00:46:06.480 prime

00:46:06.740 minister

00:46:07.020 and

00:46:07.540 directing

00:46:07.840 his

00:46:08.000 attorney

00:46:08.280 general

00:46:08.580 to

00:46:08.860 not

00:46:09.360 press

00:46:09.700 charges

00:46:10.240 against

00:46:10.920 someone

00:46:11.460 that's

00:46:12.080 not

00:46:12.320 the

00:46:12.480 way

00:46:12.620 the

00:46:12.780 system

00:46:13.100 is

00:46:13.440 supposed

00:46:13.760 to

00:46:14.000 work

00:46:14.300 but

00:46:15.860 the

00:46:16.660 people

00:46:17.400 have

00:46:18.860 the

00:46:19.500 rcp

00:46:21.820 is

00:46:21.940 political

00:46:22.380 that

00:46:23.060 is

00:46:23.280 why

00:46:23.480 nothing

00:46:23.740 has

00:46:23.920 happened

00:46:24.200 here

00:46:24.480 and

00:46:25.160 just

00:46:25.380 the

00:46:25.620 absolute

00:46:26.180 meltdown

00:46:27.320 oh

00:46:27.980 he's

00:46:28.300 Donald

00:46:28.660 Trump

00:46:29.140 just

00:46:30.020 like

00:46:30.160 Donald

00:46:30.440 Trump

00:46:30.660 is

00:46:30.820 using

00:46:31.000 the

00:46:31.160 legal

00:46:31.380 system

00:46:31.660 to

00:46:31.780 go

00:46:31.860 after

00:46:32.020 his

00:46:32.200 opponents

00:46:32.520 like

00:46:33.020 Donald

00:46:34.020 Trump's

00:46:34.360 opponents

00:46:34.680 used

00:46:35.060 it

00:46:35.220 to

00:46:35.380 go

00:46:35.600 after

00:46:35.880 Donald

00:46:36.220 Trump

00:46:36.460 for

00:46:36.640 God's

00:46:37.040 sakes

00:46:37.260 it

00:46:38.560 is

00:46:38.760 just

00:46:38.960 myopic

00:46:39.640 and

00:46:40.300 mind

00:46:41.460 numbing

00:46:41.840 how

00:46:43.380 these

00:46:43.640 people

00:46:43.940 have

00:46:44.100 approached

00:46:44.440 it

00:46:44.700 my

00:46:46.140 hope

00:46:46.360 is

00:46:46.680 that

00:46:46.840 Pierre

00:46:47.320 Poliev

00:46:47.740 stands

00:46:48.940 up to

00:46:49.380 the

00:46:49.580 withering

00:46:49.940 criticism

00:46:50.460 that he's

00:46:50.840 getting

00:46:51.060 here

00:46:51.440 my gut

00:46:53.800 tells

00:46:54.060 me

00:46:54.280 that

00:46:54.580 he has

00:46:55.140 enough

00:46:55.340 disdain

00:46:55.700 for them

00:46:55.980 that he's

00:46:57.320 I really

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00:46:58.140 doesn't

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Western Standard - October 25, 2025

THE PIPELINE： Gondek’s Gone, and the BC Conservatives are losing it

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