Western Standard - January 05, 2023


The Pipeline： Government orders Jordan Peterson to sensitivity training


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Western Standard editor Nigel Henford and editor-in-at-large Derek Fildebrandt are back in the new year, and they're joined by Senior Editor Corey Morgan and Opinion Editor-at Large Editor-At-large Corey Morgan to talk about all the crazy news from the past week.

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00:00:00.000 Good evening, I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard, and you're watching
00:00:28.280 the pipeline. Today is January 4th, 2023. It's a new year. It normally takes me a week of getting
00:00:36.040 this, you know, like put the wrong date on everything. I haven't gotten it wrong once this
00:00:39.900 year. You're just inviting it now. Yeah, I've jinxed myself. I'm going to mess it up now.
00:00:44.200 Probably on some important documents. Thank you all for joining us. Very pleased we could have
00:00:49.500 you here in the new year. I'm joined as usual by the Western Standards opinion editor, Nigel
00:00:55.080 Henford. Welcome, Nigel. Nice to be here again. Have a good break? Wonderful. I was exhausted.
00:01:03.140 But I'm back. That's good. As Mr. Trudeau said. I needed a break, the other one, yeah. I needed a
00:01:09.680 break too, but by the time I came back, I was ready to work. I needed to dig back into it.
00:01:14.840 Also joined by the Western Standards, Senior Albertic Holmest, Corey Morgan. Corey,
00:01:20.580 have a good Christmas? I did. Pretty subdued, but I saw the kids. I didn't get in trouble.
00:01:28.680 This is as good as we can expect out of me. So your family Christmas is much more interesting
00:01:32.580 when you drink? Yeah, there's always more memorable stories, but they aren't necessarily
00:01:37.140 good ones. No, no, they're not. Not normally. All right, well, we got a good show today.
00:01:43.300 Don't spy on the government. It doesn't like competition.
00:01:49.600 John Carpe, president of the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms, has been arrested and charged with obstruction of justice for doing what the justice system and the government general does quite regularly, which is spy on us.
00:02:03.960 And he's been charged because he had some private investigator look into a judge,
00:02:13.920 seeing if this judge was violating the government's COVID rules during lockdowns and whatnot.
00:02:18.980 And an inadvisable thing, but apparently now criminal.
00:02:23.520 News to many of us, arrested over Christmas.
00:02:26.840 They've had well over a year to do it, and they decided to pick him up during Christmas.
00:02:31.960 Quite alarming stuff that we're going to dig into. As well, the government has ordered that Jordan 1.00
00:02:37.480 Peterson, this hateful, scary man, submit himself to sensitivity or social media training,
00:02:44.440 or else he could have his license to practice clinical psychology in Ontario pulled. 0.91
00:02:51.640 Because he's dangerous. He has hurt people's feelings and words are violence now in 2022.
00:02:59.000 Bizarre stuff that we're going to look into. As well, a court, the Supreme Court of Texas. Very surprised hearing this coming from a court in Texas. The Supreme Court of Texas has awarded sole custody to a mother clearing the way for this mother to chemically castrate her seven-year-old boy.
00:03:20.780 I didn't, I almost said 17, because even that would be preposterous.
00:03:25.020 But a seven-year-old boy now has the way clear to be chemically castrated by his mother because he likes Elsa in Frozen.
00:03:36.040 So, shocked to hear coming from Texas, but what happens south of the border inevitably ends up coming north of the border.
00:03:45.360 Before we dive into it, though, we're going to tell you about my favorite sponsor, the Canadian Shooting Sports Association.
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00:04:10.820 These are rights that are under mortal attack in Canada right now.
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00:04:24.560 The federal government has got a bill right now that's going to ban even basic, simple, otherwise nonchalant hunting rifles.
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00:05:13.040 Gun owners need to stand together if there's going to be anything left for us to be able to shoot in this country.
00:05:21.140 Oh, you know what? I couldn't help it.
00:05:24.540 Over Christmas, I always watch The Lord of the Rings over Christmas.
00:05:28.000 And so it's a Christmas movie because it came out of Christmas when I was a teenager and I was watching that scene where Bilbo is thinking about keeping the reasons why shouldn't I keep it.
00:05:41.000 It's become a great meme and then it just struck me that like just exchange the ring for a gun. Why shouldn't I keep it. Okay, so let's get down to business don't spy on the government because they don't like competition.
00:05:55.000 So in July 2021, John Carpe, he's the President of the Canadian Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms.
00:06:03.000 Just for those of you who haven't been following along the last few years, this has been the leading organization in Canada,
00:06:09.000 launching court challenges normally on constitutional grounds against federal and provincial governments and municipal governments restrictions on freedoms related to all things COVID.
00:06:20.000 all things COVID. So lockdowns, vaccine mandates, discriminating against the unvaccinated for things
00:06:28.480 like organ transplants, all sorts of things. They've been launching these things. And in July
00:06:32.960 2021, there was a court case going on in Manitoba. And the JCCF was leading this year. And the Chief
00:06:43.360 Chief Justice Glenn Joyle, if I'm pronouncing that right, had a tail put on him, a PI hired by the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms.
00:06:55.480 That's an unusual thing to put a PI on a judge and not something I would recommend doing, but hardly something I think that would be illegal.
00:07:05.100 John Carpe has been dealing with the Law Society Manitoba for it. John Carpe is a lawyer. He faces potential disbarment, I guess, at the most extreme disbarment, but definitely faces legal sanction for it from the Law Society.
00:07:20.100 I don't know, justified or not, but the JCC have apologized, said, you know, kind of went over the line, and they've put in place better internal governance to make sure that kind of thing doesn't happen again.
00:07:31.100 Yeah. OK. Whatever. But if it's one thing for a lawyer to do it, but I have a hard time feeling that if you or I or Corey put a PI on a judge who's overseeing a case about lockdowns, COVID restrictions, and we were potentially able to find that the judge was breaking these restrictions because absolutely everyone did, including the politicians.
00:07:56.380 Remember Jason Kenney and some of his ministers up on the roof of the Sky Palace here in Alberta
00:08:01.160 during a lockdown, breaking, we did a count on it.
00:08:04.600 They broke something, almost 20 odd regulations and several laws, their own COVID lockdown stuff.
00:08:12.120 This was happening all over the place.
00:08:13.860 So I think it's fair game if we did it.
00:08:15.420 Probably a little more dicey if you're part of the law society, but hardly illegal.
00:08:19.880 Well, John Carpe over Christmas was contacted by Calgary Police Services.
00:08:23.660 has a warrant had been put out for his arrest in manitoba for obstruction of justice turns himself
00:08:29.820 in spent the night in jail over christmas um bizarre stuff uh nigel do you think i know you're 0.96
00:08:37.420 not a lawyer you're not a you're not a cop but this seems to be probably bending the definition
00:08:43.660 of obstruction of justice to an extraordinary degree because i am not a lawyer i am not going
00:08:50.300 to say yes or no to that i do not know exactly where the line in obstruction of justice falls
00:08:58.860 i do know that judges would be quite naturally intimidated by somebody putting a tail on them
00:09:09.420 you could expect that that was a consideration i guess that um that john decided to to ignore
00:09:17.500 at the time but i can absolutely understand his his frustration that somebody who he believed
00:09:30.940 and again i don't know whether the facts support his belief or not but somebody that he believed
00:09:36.860 was flouting the covert regulations was going to be passing judgment on his uh on a case that he
00:09:46.460 was active in yeah you you kind of would like to know for sure i so i get the motivation i think it
00:09:52.940 was a an error of judgment but a very understandable one whether or not it was a whether it can be
00:10:03.260 called obstruction of justice i guess will be will be determined by the very justice system that he
00:10:10.060 didn't trust in the first place but i tend to without getting ahead of ourselves to the next
00:10:14.940 segment on jordan peterson i do see a bit of a pattern here first of all the very the very timing
00:10:22.300 of his arrest at christmas december the 30th actually what was that about was that a little
00:10:31.660 bit like arriving outside roger stone's house at four o'clock in the morning with cnn and you know
00:10:37.180 like the shock the all the horror the the the sort of the the equivalent of the perp walk
00:10:44.380 where win or lose they still got a picture of you in handcuffs well i don't know whether he
00:10:48.220 had a handcuff supply to him but i would imagine that he spent the night in jail yeah i there's
00:10:54.140 violent criminals who do not spend the night in jail right so uh whether he did or he didn't
00:10:59.660 he certainly had an uncomfortable time and as he himself says privately that nothing like perhaps
00:11:06.460 what happened to tamara litch or some of the pastors who were who have been arrested but this
00:11:14.140 was deliberate part of the punishment here is that you get your christmas arrangements seriously
00:11:19.900 disrupted so what's the message here and when you see some other the the experts in science
00:11:27.020 being challenged by government by their professional associations
00:11:30.940 always the message is if you are part of this way of thinking, way of thinking that we often
00:11:39.500 often give voice to, then you are suspect and you need to be, if we're going to get you one way,
00:11:47.180 we'll get you another. So I'm with John on this one. So Corey, again, none of us are lawyers here,
00:11:54.620 but I think we have a basic understanding of the law here. Obstruction of justice would be
00:12:00.220 attempting, I don't have the definition in front of you, but it's attempting to obstruct the proper workings of the legal system, ensuring justice.
00:12:09.840 That's normally witness tampering of a kind, or it's threatening a judge.
00:12:16.900 I can understand having a tail on you is not nice, but putting a tail on someone in Canada is not illegal.
00:12:22.100 I can hire PI and follow you around and see where you go for dinner at the very improper thing to do.
00:12:31.100 I have a feeling you probably quit here pretty quick when you figured it out.
00:12:35.100 But it's not an illegal thing to do.
00:12:38.100 And governments do it all the time when they have a suspicion of something.
00:12:43.100 It seems like an issue more better dealt with by the law society where it was being dealt with and Carpe has been cooperating than the legal system.
00:12:52.600 Do you think it do you think there may be?
00:12:55.560 There's a few things to unpack.
00:12:57.720 Like to start with when that first broke, it was again, John's done.
00:13:00.780 I like John and he's done excellent work.
00:13:02.620 I mean, their organization has been standing up for people that really needed an advocate and doing a great job with it.
00:13:08.840 So it was like, it was a, what were you thinking moment when I read about like, John, man, I mean, it is a fine line.
00:13:17.380 And I guess that's where the courts will decide it.
00:13:19.740 But if you or I send somebody to tell a judge it's legal, unless we're in the midst of an active case where that judge is presiding on it,
00:13:26.480 and then you've got a bit of a different thing going on.
00:13:29.540 What if I'm just going down the speculative road here, the person you had telling them was big Guido, who's scary and intimidating looking.
00:13:37.380 and every time the judge turns around, you see this thug peeking.
00:13:39.940 That I would take.
00:13:41.460 I'm just saying the interpretations that could come from this could be negative. 0.63
00:13:46.020 Guido is racist.
00:13:47.060 Yeah. And I think part of it too is we can see the intent that Guido is a racist. 0.96
00:13:56.580 Sorry about that Marriott.
00:13:57.860 You know what? I'm sorry. When it comes to the Italians and Irish, racism is still funny. 1.00
00:14:02.900 I'm using it where I can get away with it.
00:14:04.020 Italian and Irish racism is still acceptable in my book. It's just funny. 1.00
00:14:08.780 I don't think they'll be able to find intent because I don't think that's what the intention of Mr. Carpe was.
00:14:15.260 As you said, he was trying to see if he could find a double standard in practice and expose that.
00:14:21.480 But it was, you know, as we all agree.
00:14:23.640 It's a good point. They would have to prove intent and I have a hard time imagining.
00:14:25.860 They put Polly as a tale to physically be seen. I doubt that's what it was.
00:14:31.420 Yeah, so it was ill-advised, but I don't, I mean, this is just my guess as a non-lawyer as well.
00:14:36.080 I don't think they're going to find a criminal finding in the end.
00:14:38.360 But we know how the system can be used, whereas the process is the punishment.
00:14:41.320 And the timing is very questionable.
00:14:43.060 As you said, let's just go into the holiday season and have, he turned himself in, I believe,
00:14:47.800 when he found out the warrant was out, but have him locked up for an evening with something like that.
00:14:53.660 So much, so far after the fact of when it happened,
00:14:57.320 it seems like maybe there's some intimidation coming from the other side too now.
00:14:59.940 And as you said, maybe this is more of a law society thing. But this is a vindictive state that I find it hard to believe there's not some of the motivation also is that Mr. Carpe has been such a thorn in their side over a lot of the things for this many years. This is their way of slapping back. And that's distressing in itself.
00:15:17.160 A concern for me as well is a potential conflict of interest of whatever judge presides.
00:15:21.660 I have no idea of, I doubt judge has even been assigned that'll deal with this case.
00:15:27.500 And well, I think judges genuinely try to be objective.
00:15:31.720 If the judge rules for John Carpe here and against the prosecution, the judge is then saying, it's okay then legally for people to tell me personally.
00:15:41.880 And that's an inevitable conflict of interest.
00:15:43.920 And it's impossible to find a judge who wouldn't, because this would apply to all judges.
00:15:47.360 So I can't help but fear that that's got to creep into it a bit, that ruling not guilty in this case is giving people license to tail yourself.
00:16:00.700 And I certainly wouldn't like being tailed.
00:16:04.900 Okay.
00:16:05.260 Well, speaking of weird justice outside of the courts, Jordan Petersman has been ordered to undergo some kind of sensitivity, social media training, because he has hurt some feelings.
00:16:20.260 feelings. The Ontario College of Psychologists has demanded. Here is Jordan Peterson's tweet. Ontario College of Psychologists has demanded I submit myself to mandatory social media communications retraining with their experts for among other crimes, retweeting to your poly of and criticizing Justin Trudeau and his political allies.
00:16:47.260 Now, we haven't seen a statement from the Ontario College of Psychologists. Now, just for background, the Ontario College of Psychologists is a government body.
00:17:00.020 It is the professional governing body of Ontario psychologists, but these colleges are endowed by various provincial governments with certain quasi-judicial powers.
00:17:11.760 They can strip you of your license and forbid you from practicing in an area.
00:17:15.120 They can fine you. They can censure you. 0.82
00:17:18.280 In some ways, they're both a prosecution and a court for issues within a given profession.
00:17:25.120 Same would go for dentists, plumbers and electricians.
00:17:28.820 There's colleges or professional associations for all of these things.
00:17:32.160 So Peterson, he's been accused of harming people.
00:17:35.060 he added that none of the complainants are past or present clients or are acquainted with him
00:17:41.300 in any way. He's been told that he has to take this social media sort of sensitivity training
00:17:47.140 with reports documenting his progress and if he objects he will face an in-person tribunal
00:17:54.420 that will potentially suspend or revoke his license to practice as a clinical psychologist.
00:18:01.220 Pretty extreme stuff. Now, Corey, we've only heard from Peterson here. We haven't seen the case presented against him by the Ontario College of Physician of psychologists. Maybe Jordan Peterson has done something very bad.
00:18:17.220 House is a serious in any way, or is this just, you know, hey, we need to respond to these grievances.
00:18:26.220 these grievances. It's very serious because it'll put a chill on any political discourse from
00:18:30.460 anybody in a governed profession like that. I mean, it depends, I guess, what they've got on
00:18:36.900 the list. But I would presume that there better be something more that applies to the practice
00:18:41.880 of a psychologist. Is he counseling patients incorrectly? Is he, you know, giving destructive
00:18:48.620 advice? Is he taking advantages of his position as a psychologist? And we've seen no evidence of
00:18:53.300 that, we're seeing that, well, we don't like the political stance you're taking. And we're going
00:18:57.800 to put your profession at risk due to that. I don't know how much impact that would necessarily
00:19:02.860 have on on Mr. Peterson, because I mean, he's certainly doing well enough as an author and a
00:19:07.580 speaker. And I don't know, anyhow, but it's certainly a point of principle. And the other
00:19:12.180 worry, again, is what we have 1000s and 1000s of psychologists out there and people with other
00:19:17.500 professional organizations that they're beholden to, that they might be afraid of tweeting a
00:19:21.560 political view or saying something that might be contrary to the mainstream because their
00:19:25.980 organization will crack down on them. This could set a very, very bad precedent.
00:19:29.700 Well, the other thing there, Corey, too, is that if they say that he did something bad,
00:19:35.700 they effectively cancel him. That gives the Googles, the YouTubes, the Twitters of this
00:19:42.700 world, well, maybe not Twitter at the moment, but Google is the excuse to close him down.
00:19:48.540 And then it wouldn't be just that he can't practice, he'd be off the circuit as well.
00:19:53.540 So it could hinder him.
00:19:55.540 This is extremely serious.
00:19:59.540 You know, this has got hints to me of the probably the most famous human rights commission or tribunal case in Canadian history,
00:20:09.540 which involved the Western Standard in its first form.
00:20:13.540 Roughly circa 2005, 6, 7, the Western Standard was the only media, the only publication in Canada that ran the famous Mohammed cartoons, Danish Mohammed cartoons that had triggered riots and quite a few deaths worldwide and all the media were talking about it, but none of them would show people what they were so upset about.
00:20:33.800 Remember, I opened the Western Standard magazine, saw these cartoons, and I didn't even think they were particularly funny.
00:20:39.680 They were rude towards the Islamic prophet Muhammad, but certainly pale in comparison to some of the things I've seen, cartoons of Jesus or anything like that, or Moses and things like that.
00:20:52.200 But this, you know, this became this big, the Western Standard at the time turned it into a platform.
00:20:57.380 Ezra Levant was publisher at the time, and it became this big national issue, and it almost brought down the Human Rights Commission.
00:21:03.480 it was that bad human rights commissions tried to dismiss the case when it became that bad because
00:21:07.240 they didn't want it to get to a constitutional challenge in the court real courts and the
00:21:11.720 western standards lawyers of the time said no we want to go to court we want to be found guilty so
00:21:16.200 we can go to courts but it didn't eventually get there um i i think this i i feel like the ontario
00:21:24.280 college of psychology psychologists has picked a fight they can't win because even if they strip
00:21:29.720 them of these things I think it'll make the general these these kinds of professional
00:21:37.960 associations be they doc you know medical doctors and surgeons and that kind of thing I think it's
00:21:42.520 going to make them look so heady I think it's going to damage the profession because Jordan 1.00
00:21:47.080 Peterson is a nobody he's one of the biggest personalities on the planet right now I don't
00:21:53.240 think he's cancelable what do you think do you think these guys are gonna come to regret this
00:21:59.720 I recall that under former management, Twitter successfully delisted the president of the United States.
00:22:11.400 So I don't subscribe to the view that towering celebrity is a protection against being canceled.
00:22:20.040 No, but it was bad for the brand of Twitter.
00:22:22.460 Twitter lost a ton of Republicans, which, you know, half the United States.
00:22:27.180 It overly politicized Twitter to the point where it couldn't be ignored anymore, and while Trump was off, it didn't protect him, it very badly damaged the brand of Twitter and helped with some of the motivation for its eventual hostile corporate takeover by Elon Musk.
00:22:44.400 I feel like there'll be a hostile corporate takeover at the Ontario College of Psychologists, but I don't know.
00:22:52.320 My gut tells me this is a battle they can't win if they convict him or not.
00:22:56.000 I think they can, because first of all, they have the layer of government over them.
00:23:02.800 You can change the composition of the college, just carry on, but in the end, they are not
00:23:09.680 accountable. See, when you go to a Human Rights Commission, you can win or you can lose, but the
00:23:16.640 thing can go forward into the justice system. It usually is a matter of process after that,
00:23:22.240 We had to see whether the rules were fairly applied,
00:23:24.700 but there is another level of appeal,
00:23:26.880 which in the case that you are talking about
00:23:28.960 could very well have been there undoing.
00:23:31.480 Well, I think we're gonna have to look more into this,
00:23:33.400 but I have a feeling you can actually appeal
00:23:35.500 to a proper court, I think the Ontario Superior Court,
00:23:40.100 Alberta is probably the Court of King's Bench now.
00:23:42.980 You might be able to appeal these, I'm not positive.
00:23:45.380 I think the larger, there is a larger issue here,
00:23:48.400 And that is the way in which so many experts, Jordan Peterson is an expert, so are some doctors who challenge the, you know, the standard narrative of COVID.
00:24:02.260 But when they do so, respected, they're respected members of the community right up until the time that they challenge the orthodoxy.
00:24:12.400 Then they become part of the alt-right.
00:24:15.460 Then they're there with Alex Jones and Nigel Hannaford.
00:24:19.420 You know, they become bad people overnight because they challenge the orthodoxy and they lose all their defenses.
00:24:27.840 And it is these kinds of organizations, the college, the appointed body.
00:24:35.300 Guess how you get appointed?
00:24:36.800 not by being an iconoclast, not by being somebody who will challenge the orthodoxies.
00:24:44.880 You get in there because you fit.
00:24:46.460 You think the right things.
00:24:47.760 And then you've got it there to make sure everybody else thinks the right things.
00:24:51.440 So this has become quite a lot bigger than what it was 17 years ago,
00:24:55.740 which is why I think we're going to be hearing a lot more about this case.
00:25:01.680 But I don't think it's a slam dunk for Jordan Peterson.
00:25:04.660 What's your take, Corey?
00:25:06.340 Do you think this is a no-win for the College of Psychologists, regardless of what they do?
00:25:11.400 He doesn't need to practice at this point.
00:25:13.960 He's mostly a media personality and a writer.
00:25:17.740 There could be just two losers in that Peterson gets hunted from his profession, even if other platforms de-platform.
00:25:25.080 Again, he's still got the speaking circuit.
00:25:26.920 He's got ways around.
00:25:27.820 It would harm the reach, but it wouldn't cancel them altogether.
00:25:30.760 I think he's a little too big to fully cancel, but you can harm him.
00:25:34.000 But as Nigel was saying, too, these institutions, well, again, they don't care.
00:25:38.460 They're not going to see a consequence for it.
00:25:40.120 The college is still going to be there, and they can still pressure other members.
00:25:43.580 That's what I'm saying.
00:25:44.300 I'm worried more for the other members who can't sustain such pressures like Mr. Peterson.
00:25:50.420 You repeated the Ezra Levant line just now about the punishment is the process.
00:25:57.100 You may be all kinds of bullsy, but in the end, do you really want the hassle?
00:26:00.980 That's what they do.
00:26:02.640 and they can abuse you. So I want to pick up on your point, Nigel, just about the silencing of
00:26:08.780 people, experts in general that disagree with whatever the mainstream government narrative
00:26:14.560 is on an issue. We've seen this all over the place, particularly in the more medical
00:26:20.940 professions. You know, we have Dr. Nagasi in Alberta here suspended, had his medical license
00:26:28.480 suspended because he prescribed things like ivermectin, which YouTube and Facebook should
00:26:34.720 know are absolutely terrible and have no merit whatsoever. We would never recommend anyone do
00:26:40.480 that if you're watching YouTube and Facebook. But you know, doctors who have spoken up against
00:26:47.520 lockdowns in Ontario and Alberta, there's been a number of prominent cases and some others across
00:26:53.600 the rest of Canada. But people in the medical profession and various other adjacent professions
00:26:59.500 have had, have already had their, their right to practice revoked by these quasi government bodies
00:27:05.940 because, because they went against the narrative. And sometimes, you know, they've had views and
00:27:11.800 you know, I'm like, I'm not sure. But they weren't harmful views. They weren't hurting anybody.
00:27:17.120 They were just against the mainstream. And you just wouldn't until two years ago, you know,
00:27:22.160 you'd see a doctor says, well, I think that this, you know, they might publicly say, I think this
00:27:28.120 procedure is promised and we should, we should look into performing this procedure. What was it?
00:27:33.900 There was something called liberation therapy. It was, I think, I forget what it is, something
00:27:36.840 involving cancer or something. It's controversial in the medical community. I know nothing about
00:27:40.240 the merits of either side, but doctors had a public debate about it. And that was considered
00:27:45.180 normal. It was okay. But now anyone speaks against, they're gone. They're silenced. And
00:27:51.660 And Jordan Peterson, I don't think they can silence, but I think they can silence the overwhelming supermajority of doctors, psychologists, and anyone else.
00:28:00.720 Because Jordan Peterson's probably got the biggest podium of anyone in Canada right now.
00:28:05.120 Yeah, well, I think they can.
00:28:06.820 I mean, if you're, let's say you're a doctor, you're 55 years old, and you've got 10 years to go, and the kids aren't through school yet, and the mortgage isn't quite paid, and you haven't quite got the ref set up the way you want it,
00:28:20.900 you've got a lot to lose and so the chances that somebody is going to be brave and take
00:28:27.140 on the establishment under those circumstances is very very much reduced but what i'm saying
00:28:34.100 there's something wider going on here you may recall that a couple of weeks ago we were talking
00:28:37.540 about the university of calgary and how they had introduced an affirmative action um racially
00:28:44.340 discriminatory hiring policy yeah when we went into the racial quarter system yeah when we went
00:28:49.460 into that a little further we found that one of the things that was driving that was that if they
00:28:55.560 did not have these policies in place when their researchers went to the granting agencies for
00:29:03.120 funds they wouldn't get them because their university was not playing the game the way
00:29:08.340 that the government wanted the game played and the way that the government wants the game played
00:29:14.680 with Jordan Peterson and which they are attempting to enforce through the college is that you don't
00:29:21.660 criticize the prime minister and you don't support the opposition. These are two people, two particular
00:29:27.000 instances that he has named and we have named in this story. They want to control what you think
00:29:34.300 and what you do. And by the way, if you have a policy of locking down the country, you don't
00:29:39.080 want people saying, well, this could be wrong. The whole idea of free speech and you can say what
00:29:43.680 you like is rapidly going down the plug hole. Well, let's turn from authoritarian to insanity.
00:29:53.580 I'm going to come to you first on this one, Corey. So a Texas father,
00:29:58.000 insanity expert. Oh, I know. Yeah, that's your Western standards resident expert on insanity.
00:30:05.520 A Texas father has lost custody over his seven year old son, which now clears the way for the
00:30:12.480 mother to transition the seven-year-old boy from male to female. The mother had asked the court
00:30:20.460 to force the father to call their son by his new female name, Luna. It's not even just a female
00:30:27.800 name, it's a hippie name, for God's sakes, and not allow any children around Luna, who did not use
00:30:35.040 his female name and his female pronouns, this is something she petitioned to court for. 0.99
00:30:42.100 She said, signing up Luna as James, James' child's real name, signing up Luna as James for any
00:30:49.780 activities or taking James or James' friends or using male pronouns related to Luna at any
00:30:56.800 activities at home. They have those things banned, allowing children to remain in the presence of
00:31:01.920 anyone who was not calling her Luna her chosen name and not
00:31:06.920 using her female pronouns to prefer and otherwise not
00:31:10.160 affirming the name Luna just literally this child would have
00:31:14.400 the court. She petitioned the court not sure the court granted
00:31:16.800 that part but essentially no one could legally be around Luna
00:31:19.980 who does not consider Luna Luna. This all came because the
00:31:26.500 mother considered James her boy to be a girl after he asked
00:31:30.300 for a girl's toy from McDonald's and said he wanted one of the female characters from Disney's Frozen.
00:31:37.300 And now, so now he's lost the custody battle and this opens up the way for her plan to chemically castrate this boy.
00:31:51.300 Corey, I know where to start, so I'm just gonna throw it to you.
00:31:56.300 a bit to correct though her plan is to move on to yes puberty blockers and essentially chemical 1.00
00:32:01.820 castration but that will be later yes Texas does have laws actually you can't do that to a minor
00:32:07.760 but that's her intent once the child ages she's making that quite clear that she wants to have 0.97
00:32:13.700 the irreversible path and she's what they're talking about I was calling socially transitioning
00:32:18.500 which is, yeah, ordering everybody around the young boy to fill the fantasy that it's a girl
00:32:26.380 and participate in the delusion on behalf of the mother.
00:32:30.660 And I tell you, if anybody's crazy in this, it's the mother.
00:32:33.220 You know, I'm just sick to death of this. 0.92
00:32:38.260 It's a mother who's got an issue. 1.00
00:32:40.020 It's as I said in my show earlier, I think it's like a version of Munchausen by proxy.
00:32:43.920 You're not making your child sick to gather attention,
00:32:45.780 but you're making a claim that now this is a seven-year-old who identifies, come on, it's a kid.
00:32:52.320 It's a kid. Every hour they identify something else, he'll want to be a firefighter next week,
00:32:56.600 and he'll want to be...
00:32:57.620 A girl plays with a lightsaber and a truck. That doesn't make her a boy.
00:33:01.600 And it's going to socially damage this child and the children around him
00:33:05.980 when you're forcing these bizarre rules that even children can see through.
00:33:09.840 A boy is a boy, a girl is a girl. 0.99
00:33:11.360 So when the child reaches 18, if he or she wants to transition to whatever the hell, go to town. 0.77
00:33:17.300 But there's no way a child of that age, it's just staggering to think a judge would indulge this.
00:33:22.780 And yeah, as you said, particularly in Texas, and now that the father has lost contact to be able to at least try to be a sane force in this child's life.
00:33:33.260 So, Nigel, one of the most shocking parts of this, because so much of it is shocking, is that this came from the Supreme Court of Texas.
00:33:44.220 I don't think there's been a Democrat governing Texas for, jeez, probably since the 60s, maybe 70s.
00:33:55.580 I mean, there used to be different kinds of Democrats that weren't woke and hardcore left.
00:33:59.400 But there hasn't been a left wing kind of woke governor of Texas, possibly ever.
00:34:06.540 I know there's some blue, very blue pockets in Austin and whatnot.
00:34:10.660 But at the statewide level, they consistently elect Republicans and normally fairly rigorous Republicans at that.
00:34:18.000 But for this to come from Texas, why do you think that could be coming from the Texas Supreme Court?
00:34:25.980 And then secondly, what do you think the danger is of contagion of this coming to Canada?
00:34:33.740 Well, I think we can deal with those two.
00:34:35.900 And one answer, the danger of contagion is already manifest.
00:34:40.440 It's here.
00:34:41.800 When I was preparing for this conversation, it went into the books and onto the Internet.
00:34:48.240 And there's a case in B.C. right now.
00:34:51.300 In fact, I think the B.C. case came first.
00:34:53.560 So maybe it's a contagion that's heading down from Canada to Texas.
00:34:58.560 But whichever came first, that particular chicken or that particular egg, this is everywhere.
00:35:04.400 It's in Great Britain.
00:35:05.460 It's in Europe.
00:35:07.840 How English of you to say those are different things.
00:35:16.320 Well, very, very English of you.
00:35:20.180 Well done.
00:35:20.600 That's a habit by his heart.
00:35:23.780 There was a wonderful headline in the Times when there was a fog in the channel,
00:35:27.940 and the headline was, Fog in Channel, Europe Cut Off, you know.
00:35:31.140 So I guess I grew up in that era.
00:35:33.720 But getting back to this particular insanity,
00:35:37.660 it's hard to put a finger on how much of this is going on and where it's going on,
00:35:43.480 because the second that an outraged father steps forth and says,
00:35:48.220 this is what they're trying to do to my son that right there proves that he's an unfit father
00:35:55.040 shouldn't be given custody because he just doesn't understand these things and therefore the
00:35:59.200 caring mother who will see through the transition gently is the one who should look after him so
00:36:04.460 guess what not many men step forward and say look what they're doing to my kid and um just asking
00:36:12.060 around people who, I'll give him a call out, Jonathan Van Maron, you're probably aware
00:36:18.900 of his writings, he's done a lot of work on this, and this is not one or two cases.
00:36:26.040 There's a bit of this going around, and you don't hear about it because of that very thing.
00:36:30.340 The fathers are frightened to have to engage with it because they could lose all custody
00:36:36.120 of their son.
00:36:37.620 Yeah, there are transgender people. It's a real thing. And, you know, maybe it starts earlier for some kids than for others. But the numbers we're seeing here, I mean, there's some families where a parent will claim that they have two or three transgendered children.
00:36:59.040 And it is, I don't want to be unscientific and say it's impossible, but it is mathematically improbable in the extreme that this would be the case.
00:37:10.400 And I'm just not sure what is the psychological phenomenon driving this where you've got some parents, maybe it's a combination, I think, of well-meaning, caring, empathetic mothers,
00:37:22.580 but also combined with there's a social virtue signaling of look publicly how caring,
00:37:28.740 how progressive and forward-looking I am,
00:37:30.740 that you'd have some parents push this on their own children.
00:37:36.820 And it's not universal, but it seems to come disproportionately from the mother.
00:37:41.280 Yeah, it does.
00:37:43.720 You know, 50 years ago when I was sort of starting to think about how to raise children,
00:37:48.120 And the advice that I got, the books I read and everything that was affirmed by people
00:37:52.660 who claimed to know, you know, the kids come along, a little boy, a little girl.
00:37:57.560 Sometimes they go through a period of confusion as they approach and pass through puberty,
00:38:02.280 but just get them through it and everything settles itself.
00:38:05.360 Now, there may be some who didn't get settled out, but by and large, that seemed to work
00:38:10.820 out and seemed to be validated by experience.
00:38:14.520 But I think what's happened here now is that in the decades since where we have seen social change to the point where I think sometimes we don't even understand what it means to be a human being anymore.
00:38:27.520 But all of the things that seem like common sense and very obvious are just out of the window and have no conception of what they're playing with.
00:38:38.020 Yeah.
00:38:41.120 Corey, they're different legal systems.
00:38:43.640 And so precedent in Texas is not supposed to set legal precedent in Alberta and vice versa.
00:38:49.120 But the courts don't seem to think that way.
00:38:52.160 They try to find more local precedent.
00:38:54.260 But, you know, when the courts make a move one way, at least when it's in a so-called progressive direction, they pick up the queue and they'll find a reason to go there.
00:39:05.380 Or maybe we're just completely missing this, that this was just a custody battle.
00:39:09.400 But I can't imagine, you know, that as a default in a custody battle, if parents are fighting over sole custody, the default is the mother.
00:39:20.560 And there's some decent reasons for that sometimes, I guess.
00:39:24.860 But in this case, she's actively harming a child. 1.00
00:39:29.360 This is child abuse. 1.00
00:39:30.920 This woman is a child abuser. 1.00
00:39:32.960 She can sue me if she wants me. 1.00
00:39:34.700 This is child abuse.
00:39:35.800 I said that earlier today on my show, too.
00:39:37.640 That's exactly what I called it.
00:39:38.760 How are the, I mean, at what point are we able to, is the answer to this, maybe labeling this kind of thing where you have, at least in cases of unjustified transitioning to be considered child abuse?
00:39:54.760 It's only going to get worse until we've gone through a generation and then we suddenly get all the damaged children who have grown up and looking back and saying, look what you did to me.
00:40:02.760 There's a, I wish I had to research it, you know, it's come to me, there's a Twitter account from a young lady in the States. It's fantastic. She was convinced she was a man, she had a double mastectomy, she took puberty blockers, and has since reconsidered.
00:40:19.360 One of the tweets she put out recently was saying, if I'd have been born 10 years earlier, I'd still have breasts today and be able to have children.
00:40:26.820 The pursuit of some of this transitioning, and as we said, there really are trans people, but I mean, with the transition as an adult, when you're much more clear on it, these irreversible courses of puberty blockers, mastectomies, chemical castration, they're going to come with grave, grave consequences when these children grow up. 0.92
00:40:46.580 and it's going to come back after their parents.
00:40:48.700 I think they're going to come back after the courts,
00:40:50.420 but there's going to be a whole lot of damage done in the meantime
00:40:52.720 while these ludicrous rulings continue.
00:40:55.780 It's a crime against the generation. 1.00
00:40:57.480 You know, we should give a call out to our columnist, Linda Slavodian, 0.99
00:41:00.860 who wrote on this very thing a couple of months ago,
00:41:03.380 and she detailed the story of a person who will, she gave her name, Sarah.
00:41:09.240 She started as a woman, went man route, came back again. 1.00
00:41:12.720 When she was going in the direction of transitioning,
00:41:16.580 they couldn't have done more for her the whole operation was covered by the by the the the 0.89
00:41:22.820 national health the um by the by the by the state when she decided she'd made a horrible mistake
00:41:29.620 cost her 60 000 to get back to being a man so uh meanwhile linda noted that a 2019
00:41:40.500 Canadian Health Survey on children and youth studied 6,800 adolescents aged 15 to 17.
00:41:50.920 And I think it was something like up to 40% of them had either had suicidal thoughts or attempts
00:41:58.360 because of the way they were, because of their just horrible mental confusion caused by all of this thing.
00:42:04.640 So there is a lot out there to be concerned about.
00:42:09.320 But it's so unfair to the kids who are led into this.
00:42:13.800 They've only got to want to look at a pretty toy or something.
00:42:17.540 And all of a sudden, there's a counselor saying, well, we can fix this for you.
00:42:20.760 You could become a girl.
00:42:22.340 Maybe those are psychologists that should be getting a real visit from the College of Psychologists for harming people.
00:42:29.640 It'll never happen.
00:42:30.860 I'm getting worked up.
00:42:31.520 But I feel like there's got to be ways to accommodate the genuinely trans people who are on maybe an inevitable, they have a destiny to be, they're on a path to it.
00:42:43.200 But these people playing these games with kids, they're child abusers, and it's time it becomes a crime.
00:42:49.120 We've got to do something about it.
00:42:50.400 They've overshot.
00:42:51.260 You know, there was a lot of abuse. 0.80
00:42:52.320 I mean, it wasn't that long ago when a gay child could deal with a lot of abuse
00:42:56.400 from family, from friends, from, you know, old school psychologists 0.88
00:43:00.340 who would tell them you had a mental disorder and you must be straight.
00:43:03.380 But I think they've overcompensated to the point where we have to accommodate every,
00:43:07.140 particularly to the point of whimsical, with five and seven-year-olds.
00:43:10.640 And again, it's not a matter of sexual identity.
00:43:13.360 Now we're talking about physiologically changing the children,
00:43:16.120 irreversible surgeries. 0.65
00:43:18.600 A lot of gay people aren't even in favor of this.
00:43:21.180 No, this is not like this is something that fell out of the. Well, actually, a lot of it. I know people in the gay community. They hate that word. They said there is no they. They're individuals. But many, many gay people I know. They really hate this stuff because a lot of it's saying kids who are probably very possibly just gay or lesbian. They're being told, oh, no, you're not gay. You're just straight and trans. And this stuff is just confusing this shit out of little kids. And we're totally going to get banned on
00:43:51.120 YouTube and Facebook on this one. Whatever. You know what? We're just going to do it on this one.
00:43:55.840 Oh, you know what? YouTube and Facebook censors. I don't believe anything that I or anyone has said
00:43:59.400 here. I disavow it all. There you go. Yeah. Okay. We're probably still getting banned. I did my best.
00:44:07.840 All right, gentlemen. I'm all worked up now. I got to get off before I say something that gets
00:44:12.700 us permanently banned. Thank you for joining me, though. Nico's got the volume over there.
00:44:17.320 Okay. And he's got the bleeper button. We'll see how heavily he uses it.
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