Western Standard - THE PIPELINE： Is Poilievre pushing Alberta conservatives too far？

00:00:00.000 Good day. Today is September 9th, 2026. I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the Western

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00:01:29.960 All right, we're going to be talking about the rise of the right in Europe,

00:01:37.340 particularly with news coming from Sachsen-Anhalt,

00:01:40.540 the election in a relatively small German state,

00:01:43.840 making news across the world, making news here in Canada.

00:01:48.580 The reverberations of that are being felt everywhere, including here at home. 0.94

00:01:54.220 We're going to talk about the trade war, making everyone look like an idiot, what's happening, the tit-for-tat, what can, if Canada, if anything, do. 0.93

00:02:06.520 But first we're going to start with news that the federal Conservatives have launched Conservatives for Canada, 0.96

00:02:14.800 a political action committee and advertiser for Conservative MPs

00:02:20.640 to get involved in the election, sorry, in the referendum campaign

00:02:24.400 on Alberta independence that's taking place October 19th.

00:02:28.220 Corey, tell us about Conservatives for Canada and what they're doing.

00:02:33.380 Yeah, so all this is a new third-party group,

00:02:35.920 so it is, I guess, supposed to be kind of arms-length from the Federal Party,

00:02:39.180 but it is a branch of the Federal Party.

00:02:40.580 It's the federal Conservatives have set this up.

00:02:43.900 They're fundraising for it.

00:02:45.960 I haven't seen much evidence of an actual campaign.

00:02:48.080 Dean Lloyd is a member of Parliament with them.

00:02:50.580 He's the head of this group.

00:02:53.440 And their mandate is to convince Albertans to choose option one on October 19th.

00:02:59.180 They're wading into provincial politics, which I'm sure we'll talk about,

00:03:02.840 but I think is a bit of a gamble on their part, actually,

00:03:06.020 for their Alberta supporters on something that's split, particularly among conservative ones.

00:03:11.440 So I've seen on social media, we've seen a number of the conservative MPs who put out sort of canned

00:03:17.520 statements about how they should vote option one and that they're forever Canadian and things such

00:03:22.040 as that. And they haven't been terribly well received on social media, though I know that's

00:03:25.380 not always the best measure of, you know, support or whatnot. It's kind of anecdotal, but among

00:03:30.420 conservative followers, they're not necessarily getting a good reception, but I think Pierre

00:03:35.180 Poliev really wants to signal to central Canada, we're not supporting this independence push in Alberta.

00:03:42.380 We're federalists, we're unified, and darn it, we're going to make sure that we wear that Canadian flag.

00:03:48.560 It's a similar problem he's got as Daniel Smith in a sense.

00:03:51.200 Your own support base might have a bit of a lean towards that, but when you're looking at a broader election, you've got to watch where you're going to...

00:03:56.960 The thing with Mr. Poliev, he's the leader of the party, and that's what he thinks.

00:04:00.420 He could say that.

00:04:01.900 He could?

00:04:02.620 That's my question.

00:04:03.960 Why Dane Lloyd?

00:04:05.180 no offense to him but he is dane lawyer nobody has ever heard of this guy where does he represent

00:04:11.740 it's it's in north central alberta or something because he's not a bad mp but i've never heard of

00:04:16.540 the guy there are certainly more uh you know prominent alberta mps including from from calgary

00:04:21.900 michelle rumple garner comes to mind uh i wonder i'm just wondering why they picked an obscure

00:04:27.260 mp that nobody's ever heard of so that if this does blow up it doesn't land on polyev's lap

00:04:31.980 I think it's because the majority of people who vote conservative federally and provincially in Alberta are, if polls are being correct, when you break it down by party supporters, majority of people who vote conservative are also voting for independence.

00:04:48.100 The Conservatives need to be seen, particularly outside of Alberta, as not in with that, but they don't want to actively antagonize their voter base, which is why, you know, they're kind of doing this, the Conservatives are doing this perfunctory campaign on the Federalist side, but doing the absolute minimum to not be seen, in Alberta at least, as being involved, because it's antagonizing their voters.

00:05:13.520 um that's why we've not been able to find a single conservative mp willing to debate me or anyone

00:05:20.900 else on independence uh they've got these kind of canned statements as you've said that have all

00:05:26.920 gone out uh and some of them are from people i know are federalists some of them i'm not going

00:05:31.480 to name names uh i would say they probably didn't write the statements themselves i'd leave it at

00:05:37.780 that um they don't want to actually do anything they don't really want to be seen on the ground

00:05:43.080 in Alberta as doing anything. They want to be seen outside of Alberta as

00:05:46.700 doing something. Their pitch, Nigel,

00:05:51.840 is, if you look at it, it just says, Albertans

00:05:54.720 don't have a problem with Canada, they just have a problem with liberal policies, and if you just

00:05:58.760 vote Conservative, everything will be fine. So their message is

00:06:03.100 Albertans should do what they've done for the last, I forget the exact number,

00:06:06.920 22 to 25 consecutive federal elections and vote Conservative, or

00:06:10.760 one of the conservative predecessor parties, since 1958.

00:06:14.740 Just keep doing what you've done since 1958 and everything will be fine the next time.

00:06:20.640 That's essentially their pitch.

00:06:22.820 Well, sure, but I don't like the pitch that they've had.

00:06:26.480 There is a time for somebody to come out and say, you know, I don't like what this government does.

00:06:32.160 You don't like it either, but I'm not prepared to encourage you to break up the country over it.

00:06:38.060 Let's recognize what is good about Canada.

00:06:41.960 Now, let me tell you a few things about Mr. Carney and about what he's doing

00:06:45.480 and the way that he's using trade negotiations to make himself look like a great Canadian leader.

00:06:53.060 Ladies and gentlemen, he is nothing of the sort.

00:06:55.320 And keep going in that vein.

00:06:56.800 The idea of actually trying to be a little bit pregnant, you know, it doesn't look good.

00:07:02.140 Coming here and saying, well, we can't really come out and say this publicly,

00:07:04.680 but we actually would prefer to stay in Canada.

00:07:07.000 So just don't ask the leader any awkward questions.

00:07:10.220 This is not a time for hiding behind an organization, a front organization.

00:07:15.720 It's time to get out in front.

00:07:18.180 Dave, Polioff has said he's going to be campaigning.

00:07:22.800 He showed up during Stampede and spoke to the Conservatives Stampede barbecue.

00:07:28.860 And even then, he mentioned it a little bit at the end because he knows if he goes hard

00:07:34.960 in front of a crowd that is not hand-selected.

00:07:38.680 If you find a hand-selected, explicitly federalist crowd,

00:07:42.540 yeah, he can do that.

00:07:43.120 And he actually did speak to a hand-selected crowd

00:07:45.820 where he got applauses that he sees.

00:07:47.900 Yeah, but if he speaks to just kind of a generic conservative crowd

00:07:52.360 and goes hard against independents, he will get booed.

00:07:56.080 Even by people who vote for him and are his supporters,

00:07:58.560 he'll get booed if he does it.

00:08:01.040 That's why we have not seen him once speak to the issue

00:08:04.480 in front of kind of a generic conservative

00:08:06.200 or even a generic Alberta crowd here?

00:08:09.560 No, I guess he's sort of walking a similar tightrope

00:08:13.380 as Premier Smith has to.

00:08:15.920 You're right, he did vow to be out here,

00:08:18.240 and so did Carney.

00:08:20.860 The federal cabinet is meeting in Calgary tomorrow,

00:08:25.780 so I'm sure we'll get questions

00:08:27.380 about the October referendum there.

00:08:32.020 And there's still, what, six weeks to go?

00:08:34.480 five weeks to go. So I'm sure we'll see Polyev at some point. And, you know, I'm sure we'll see

00:08:40.620 Carney once he's finished killing all trade with the United States finally come out and do a major

00:08:48.040 speech on it too. Yeah, if I may, you may well be right, Derek, that he would get booed. But

00:08:54.160 sometimes there is a time when you've just got to say what you really believe, if that is in fact

00:08:59.920 what you really believe and be prepared to take the the consequences uh yes it'll be an

00:09:06.400 uncomfortable day when he does it if he does it but in six months time in three months time even

00:09:13.040 people say yeah well actually like the liberal government deserves to be condemned it is the

00:09:18.960 liberal government that has made this country wanted something that so many people in alberta

00:09:24.400 want to leave it is not but it is still fundamentally a decent country if we

00:09:30.640 could just get the things straight with those people back I'm highly skeptical

00:09:34.900 of if we would simply have a blue shade of government it's got to be a different

00:09:40.180 type of conservatism to what we've seen it was Corey they've they've put forward

00:09:45.220 no proposals the only proposal of the conservatives in this campaign is to

00:09:49.060 vote for them. They have not once said that they will reopen the Constitution for fair representation

00:09:55.560 in the House of Commons or the Senate. They have explicitly said that they will not even make minor

00:10:01.600 tinkers to equalization. The Conservatives have made virtually no promises at all towards Alberta

00:10:08.980 other than we will let you build pipelines. That's it. Yeah, and systemic change is pretty much

00:10:14.700 impossible. That's what Albertans are coming to the conclusion of, though. I mean, we can get a

00:10:18.380 party that's less bad than the last one to us, but the system isn't going to change. So people

00:10:22.660 are going to ask themselves, do we want to accept this system in perpetuity or we look at other

00:10:27.140 options? But the danger of what's happening and why they're keeping it low, Alberta's political

00:10:31.800 climate is very different now than even 10 years ago. We've never seen it hyper engaged like this.

00:10:36.880 Look at the AGMs at the UCP, you know, thousands and thousands of people showing up, paying hundreds

00:10:42.440 of dollars, going out for weekends. I mean, when the progressive conservatives were in power, a big

00:10:46.180 AGM was 800 people. And that was a party in power. Now that galvanized, crabby electorate of

00:10:53.100 thousands of active people can turn and they can turn quickly. I remember Ted Byfield holding a

00:10:59.980 convention in the late 80s over in Vancouver. And that's all it took to take a party, a conservative

00:11:06.140 party that won power just a couple of years before that and say, you know what, they're not serving

00:11:10.600 the West. We're going to form a whole brand new party that only serves the West. And that changed

00:11:14.720 the whole dynamic for a decade out here.

00:11:16.580 Not saying that's necessarily coming,

00:11:18.020 but Mr. Pauly,

00:11:19.660 if I better understand,

00:11:20.460 he's playing with some fire here.

00:11:21.920 And this is a really grumpy electorate

00:11:23.980 in Alberta right now.

00:11:24.880 Once the West wanted in,

00:11:26.320 now it wants out. 0.51

00:11:27.180 Was that a, you know?

00:11:28.620 Well, yeah, that's, that was...

00:11:29.760 It was a sense.

00:11:30.680 And Preston Manning's thing

00:11:32.000 of the West wants in.

00:11:33.020 And that didn't work.

00:11:34.260 So now it's closer to the West wants out.

00:11:36.700 And, you know,

00:11:37.200 or at least maybe a Western bloc

00:11:38.740 type party that could speak

00:11:40.760 for the West unapologetically. 1.00

00:11:42.200 I can see the appeal of that

00:11:45.160 I mean they're a handful of floor crossings

00:11:47.360 and a party convention away from another one coming up

00:11:49.340 like that so stirring up the

00:11:51.260 Alberta electorate right now might not be a wise

00:11:53.240 idea on Mr. Polioff's part. Well if you

00:11:55.180 look if the latest polls are to be

00:11:57.140 believed and you know I'm looking

00:11:59.240 at the trends across a variety

00:12:01.100 of polling firms and you look at the seat projections

00:12:03.320 I think the latest one

00:12:04.880 I think it was Abacus had the Conservatives

00:12:06.860 nationally at 77 seats

00:12:08.500 which is pretty much putting us back where

00:12:11.120 we were with the Reform Party and the Canadian

00:12:13.160 Alliance. So it's really

00:12:15.040 just back to

00:12:15.700 the prairies, parts of Interior,

00:12:19.060 BC, and then adding in

00:12:21.180 a little bit more rural

00:12:23.020 Ontario than the Canadian Alliance had.

00:12:25.180 Electorally, we're back to where

00:12:27.020 we were 25 years ago,

00:12:29.100 the Conservative Party. They're back to the

00:12:31.000 Reform Party, or at least the

00:12:33.020 Alliance, I should say, to be

00:12:35.040 more fair. But

00:12:36.180 without a vigorous

00:12:39.200 representation of the West. The base of seats is coming from the West, but the conservatives

00:12:44.780 are not speaking to Western issues beyond issues that are also popular in other parts of the

00:12:53.600 country at the same time. There's a gag order on every conservative MP. They are not allowed

00:12:59.700 to talk about equalization because that'll cost them votes in Quebec. That'll cost them votes

00:13:03.020 and the Atlantic provinces, they're not allowed to speak up like that.

00:13:08.440 And I guess generally when you see a fracture on the right, federally or provincially,

00:13:13.840 it happens when the Conservatives are in power, when the mainstream Conservative Party,

00:13:17.720 the Tories are in power, and then they fail to deliver or they disappoint their core constituency.

00:13:22.380 That's where you get a reform party. That's where you get a wild rose.

00:13:25.660 The one exception to that was the B.C. Conservatives versus the Liberals.

00:13:29.180 And they continue to fracture into a million pieces like a little Russian doll. 0.74

00:13:33.600 But I guess the question is, are the Conservatives entering territory where, if it doesn't look like they can win anyway,

00:13:43.000 that Albertans, perhaps a broader set of Western voters, would say,

00:13:48.040 if we can't win anyway as the Conservatives, we may as well have our own kind of block that at least strongly advocates for our interests.

00:13:56.180 Well, you can see how people would put that together. Then, of course, you get into the

00:14:05.540 practicalities of the matter, how easy it would be done. I mean, the sad facts of the matter are that

00:14:10.260 Canadians back east do not have conservative ideas. I don't know what kind of ideas they have 1.00

00:14:16.260 that permits them to keep electing a government that does the things that it does, which we're

00:14:20.260 going to be getting to but uh it is uh easy to put it together but i come back to the point that if

00:14:26.820 you want to be taken seriously in the future you've got to you've got to be firm in what you

00:14:31.060 what you're standing for so i think mr polio needs to say what he's standing for maybe it's

00:14:35.620 not what i think it is but maybe but whatever it is you should say so you know maverick party didn't

00:14:39.940 do very well do it made it uh never really got off the ground it lacked leadership it lacked

00:14:45.940 even a half-serious name. We've essentially named it after a movie sequel that they anticipated.

00:14:52.020 It never had serious organization, and it never attracted any conservatives across the floor to

00:14:55.780 join it. That's not necessarily required. The Reform Party never had that, but it sure helps.

00:15:00.500 That helped with the BC conservatives splitting from the liberals. It helped with

00:15:04.580 Wildrose breaking from the progressive conservatives. That kind of thing helps,

00:15:07.940 but it never had the juice to get going. I would say the atmosphere has changed quite a bit since

00:15:12.660 the Maverick was formed and tried to get it to a hold than where it is at today. And I wouldn't say

00:15:17.940 that, you know, Paulio should come in and start pushing towards a pro-independence thing either.

00:15:22.280 And, you know, my thoughts are you just keep your head down. I mean, I understand you have to try

00:15:26.860 and win Central Canada. That's just the political nature of the country. But coming in here and

00:15:31.400 directly forming an organization to campaign on one side of a provincial referendum, dude, I don't

00:15:38.220 know i mean there's got to be a few of his members of uh saying i'm not sure if i want to keep hearing

00:15:43.120 this at the town hall meetings i go to all right i wonder if daniel wants to hear it she's in the

00:15:48.800 same boat as we said they're both treading a needle it's a tough one yeah okay uh we'll switch

00:15:55.200 gears they've touched on it a little bit uh with the trade war um yeah i know our listenership

00:16:01.320 is broadly pretty pro-trump but sometimes guys it's got to be hard to stay pro-trump

00:16:07.220 even as a Canadian, even as an Albertan, even if you're an independent supporting Albertan,

00:16:13.320 that guy makes it pretty hard to support. He is at least ostensibly supposed to be America first.

00:16:17.660 He's not all friends first. I don't think he's necessarily been particularly America first and

00:16:25.120 at least a lot of their foreign policy. But it seems to me where we're at in the trade war is

00:16:32.440 extremely mutually destructive. And I hate to say it, but Carney looks like the more reasonable

00:16:38.360 guy in this. Now, Trump would probably agree. He is probably trying to come across as the less

00:16:44.840 reasonable guy. And now we're in a tit for tat of not just tariffs, but even banning each other's

00:16:50.560 products, Nigel. Yeah. So, you know, it would be easy to say a pox on both of your houses,

00:16:58.920 Everybody is behaving like a fool. 0.99

00:17:02.040 But leaving aside Mr. Trump for a moment, 1.00

00:17:05.020 the person of Mr. Carney,

00:17:06.740 when I watch his statements and the actions that he takes,

00:17:11.480 I'm constantly going back to that speech that he made in Davos,

00:17:17.000 which I believe was his heart

00:17:19.540 and which he is now trying to make come true

00:17:23.200 through the way he conducts these negotiations with the Americans.

00:17:28.920 He actually doesn't particularly seem to want a solution here.

00:17:34.940 What he is getting is massive support from Canadians.

00:17:37.580 You referred earlier to polls.

00:17:38.980 I saw figures of 70%.

00:17:40.980 He's getting his needs met in terms of support from Canadians.

00:17:46.200 He can do a snap election if he wants.

00:17:48.180 I don't think he needs to, but if he wants, he could reduce the Conservatives to, as you say,

00:17:54.520 more or less a western rump and then have four years to bring his grand vision and what is this

00:18:02.020 grand vision well it seems to be let's get closer to China let's get closer to Europe well keep it 0.90

00:18:08.800 Europe has nothing to offer us they can't control their own borders never mind get their get their 0.92

00:18:15.680 debt together lord knows we have enough debt and we're not controlling our borders I suppose we'd

00:18:20.600 be a good fit. Meanwhile, do you really want to be going, instead of going to Washington for your

00:18:25.800 orders, you want to be going to Peking, Beijing, I should say? Mr. Carney needed himself. Very old

00:18:32.660 school. Well, yes, you know, Great Britain and Europe. So anyway, I think Carney is doing what

00:18:40.120 he said he would do. He refuses a deal that he reads as dependency and treats Europe plus others

00:18:48.380 as plan a that's what he said at davos that he wanted to do that's what that's how he's behaving

00:18:52.940 now well let's see sorry to me it's the arrogance of the man uh he's flying off to europe next week

00:18:59.900 and they're going to make this joint announcement of you know canada and the eu joining forces

00:19:05.100 and he hasn't even opened he hasn't even addressed it to parliament yet right he didn't campaign on

00:19:10.220 this this should be debating it this has been going on one former nervous before confederation

00:19:16.700 but in its modern iteration, I take it back to kind of the Diefenbaker era, where we understand

00:19:22.700 we're in this enormous gravitational pull of the United States economically, socially, militarily.

00:19:29.420 But, you know, Diefenbaker wanted to be cut of one foot in Europe, or particularly with the

00:19:34.860 common British Commonwealth, and one foot in North America. And it's just never worked because the

00:19:41.820 the gravitational pull of the United States is so enormous that it's not doable.

00:19:46.460 During the free trade election in 1988, John Turner tried to make the same kind of pitch,

00:19:51.160 less British-focused, but more European-focused.

00:19:55.040 You know, with the rise of China, you saw Khrushchev start to move a bit that way.

00:19:59.760 No one thinks it's a bad idea to diversify trade.

00:20:03.600 But we're faced with an impossible situation where, yeah, we do have a protectionist United States now,

00:20:09.120 that, and Trump does not see trade as mutually advantageous.

00:20:14.320 He sees it as zero sum.

00:20:15.780 You win or you lose. 0.99

00:20:17.640 If you are importing, you're losing.

00:20:19.520 If you're exporting, you're winning.

00:20:21.780 I think it's a pretty economically illiterate view of trade.

00:20:25.680 There's something to it when you're dealing with, say,

00:20:28.520 very poor countries with low cost of labor and whatnot,

00:20:31.280 and they can flood your market with cheap Chinese goods. 0.99

00:20:33.980 Like China, yes. 0.97

00:20:35.300 There's something to it, at least in that sense.

00:20:37.760 but the argument falls apart

00:20:40.140 when you're dealing with relatively pure competitor

00:20:42.240 countries, when you're dealing with Western Europe, Canada

00:20:44.260 the United States, Japan

00:20:45.360 but Carney

00:20:48.200 is, I guess the question is

00:20:50.180 how serious is he about it that we're

00:20:52.140 going to be this more European focused

00:20:54.100 country, we paid a 0.90

00:20:55.940 ungodly sum of money to be

00:20:58.220 a part of Eurovision so that a Canadian

00:21:00.160 can go and 0.94

00:21:01.000 dress up funny and dance

00:21:03.360 there

00:21:04.620 you know until he was elected prime minister he was had three citizenships i think it was

00:21:11.780 in canada i think ireland and united kingdom he's gotten rid of those but he seems very much to want

00:21:18.020 to make us a more european country he's probably smart enough to know though that no matter how

00:21:24.380 much we try to artificially push trade that way the united states is just too big there is no

00:21:30.380 replacing it even partially replacing it but on the other side you're dealing with trump who sees

00:21:36.020 trade as a zero-sum game and does seem uh intended not necessarily make canada the 51st state but

00:21:43.060 certainly to make it very clear that canada is a vassal state and subject to the whims of the

00:21:49.200 united states i think it's an impossible position well it certainly is the way that trump is playing

00:21:56.000 but mr. Trump may find himself limited in a few months and in two years it will

00:22:02.960 be a different president wouldn't like to guess which party at this stage mr.

00:22:07.340 Carney would be much better advised for Canadians to just get through it do what

00:22:12.560 you can renegotiate when you have a different person in the White House

00:22:17.420 that's what it's if that's what it takes what we're seeing now Canadians are

00:22:24.800 being asked to pay a price. People are losing their jobs back east already. There's a very

00:22:29.960 trenchant piece in the National Post this morning on a call on the way out that said,

00:22:36.320 look, Canadians are behind Mr. Carney, but they're not willing to pay the price. So let's see what

00:22:43.360 price Canadians are actually prepared to pay to stick it to the man and then proceed accordingly.

00:22:50.660 Let's see what happens in the Republican convention this week in Dallas.

00:22:55.480 I'm sure Trump is going to get an earful from some Republican governors.

00:22:59.360 Yes, he will.

00:22:59.760 You can see, though, and I mean, it ties into where Poliev is having so much difficulty as well.

00:23:07.360 You can't help but be a little bit sympathetic to Kearney.

00:23:09.980 I would not want to be across the table from Trump trying to negotiate anything.

00:23:14.340 The man's obstinate.

00:23:15.440 He's got no interest in negotiation.

00:23:17.860 It's quite clear.

00:23:19.180 It's just a matter of what can he push and what can he pull in.

00:23:22.160 I think he'd actually be opposite the Scott Bessent who's there.

00:23:26.240 He's represented.

00:23:27.620 Well, that's irritating because, you know, when you think you've got a deal, he goes back to Trump and says, no, you don't.

00:23:31.980 Yeah, it's just an impossible situation.

00:23:34.440 And, I mean, if Polioff could come up with a magic formula and say, what would I do differently?

00:23:40.100 I don't know what somebody could do differently.

00:23:41.820 What could you do to do any better with Trump than Carney is?

00:23:45.260 And I think that's that impossible situation.

00:23:48.720 I mean, if somehow Paulyov could find a magic formula to try something different.

00:23:53.040 What do you think Mr. Carney's endgame is?

00:23:56.300 Do you think he actually wants the continuation of the strong relationship between the United States and Canada?

00:24:02.240 I don't think he does.

00:24:03.560 He said in his Davos speech that he don't.

00:24:05.480 At least in the shorter term, it's serving him very well.

00:24:07.960 If we're just looking at the political lens, this has been a gold for him.

00:24:11.520 I mean, when you've got an external enemy to keep everybody rallied around the centre.

00:24:15.880 I mean, he's got an 18-month history of absolutely no accomplishments.

00:24:20.400 He's been terrible, yet nobody's paying attention to it because all eyes are focused on Trump.

00:24:25.720 I think it's in Carney's interest.

00:24:27.380 I wouldn't say perhaps that he's purposely scuttled talks,

00:24:30.120 but I don't think he's terribly sad when they fall apart

00:24:32.860 because every time it happens, his support goes up another couple points.

00:24:36.540 I'm starting to, it'd be a gamble, but I'm starting to think there might be only one way out.

00:24:42.200 And that is just flattery of Trump's ego.

00:24:46.680 You know, if you look at President Mele in Argentina, that's not a particularly super critical American interest.

00:24:53.400 But Mele has allied with him and flatters Trump.

00:24:58.200 He appeals to Trump's ego.

00:25:00.280 He's deferential to him.

00:25:03.100 He also wants Trump's support to regain the thought on the islands.

00:25:06.900 Yes.

00:25:07.640 And that's one of the payoffs.

00:25:09.220 But, you know, you've had some American bailouts, you know, Argentina continues to be, its inflation has come way, way down, several hundred percent, but it's still a basket case.

00:25:21.140 It needs a lot of help.

00:25:22.800 He's been able to get things from the United States, from Trump, by flattery and his ego.

00:25:27.580 But now, but they're seen as somewhat ideologically akin.

00:25:31.260 They're both on the right, but they're very different kinds of the right.

00:25:34.500 Trump is no libertarian.

00:25:36.420 But so that, you know, maybe the one being reasonable with Trump, I don't think works.

00:25:42.500 Trump is intentionally being unreasonable.

00:25:45.300 It's he knows he's being unreasonable.

00:25:48.640 And so perhaps appealing to his ego and flattering him.

00:25:51.360 But Canadians would never allow Carney to do that because Carney can't come and, you know, get on his knees and grovel before Trump at the White House. 0.96

00:26:00.680 and then come back to Canada and say, hey, guys, I'm just doing that because the orange man's crazy. 0.84

00:26:04.920 Trust me on this one. You know, Trump would find out, obviously, you know.

00:26:08.860 So that's not a political move that is possible for Carney, I think.

00:26:15.660 But it might be the only way to deal with a guy like Trump.

00:26:19.220 That's what he wants is like, you know, think of Greenland.

00:26:22.320 He threatens to invade the place.

00:26:26.580 He gets nothing in this deal that America did not already have.

00:26:29.760 but the Danes kind of showed some deference and he was able to say I got a deal he was able to hold

00:26:36.060 up a piece of paper and say I achieve this Trump literally goes around renaming golfs uh and lakes

00:26:43.960 because he wants paper wins I don't think he actually really cares about tangible wins in

00:26:47.200 most cases he just wants to I mean how many times did they say they won the war with Iran

00:26:51.480 I think technically there's been 12 wars because you have to have each one has to be a different

00:26:55.500 war to avoid congressional approval for use of force so they've technically on paper had about

00:26:59.680 a dozen wars with iran but he wants paper wins so how do we give trump a paper win i guess that's

00:27:08.160 the question we'd be getting the opposition party or something well if any one of us comes up with

00:27:14.800 the right answer we'll be out of calgary and down down the water 36 hours hey come and save us but

00:27:22.160 We might have to hope for Trump to implode on his own.

00:27:24.940 I mean, some of the stuff like talking about even New Mexico.

00:27:28.100 I mean, even some Americans have got to, come on, man.

00:27:30.940 I mean, you know, is he going to find out eventually what the C is in D.C.

00:27:34.940 and want to rename that because it's representing Colombia?

00:27:37.640 You know, it's getting absurd.

00:27:40.000 Hopefully the midterms are a major shock to him. 0.71

00:27:42.880 It could turn him even crazier, though.

00:27:45.880 Well, it could go on in two ways.

00:27:47.600 I don't think humbling works with that man.

00:27:50.560 He might double down. 0.98

00:27:51.660 I mean, then he's truly lame duck. 0.94

00:27:53.780 And then, boy, a lame duck president can be very dangerous. 0.89

00:27:57.320 Yeah. 0.97

00:27:59.580 Okay.

00:28:00.320 Well, I guess we'll pivot again from Trump to the rise of the right in Europe and Germany.

00:28:07.080 I guess the way we'll pivot would be what Trump said.

00:28:09.480 So what happened was, first of all, I'm always hesitant to talk about niche German politics. 0.74

00:28:15.900 I follow it closely, and I know most people here could give zero shits about it.

00:28:20.340 But, Scheizen, yeah, Scheiz, or Scheizen would be the plural. 0.95

00:28:27.320 Yeah, well, the good one's a plural.

00:28:28.780 Yeah.

00:28:30.920 You know, I was hesitant to, you know, tell Dave, hey, let's do a story.

00:28:35.160 But then I was watching this front page news across the planet.

00:28:39.460 And so I was like, okay, Dave, I guess we should be on it.

00:28:42.260 It was essentially a provincial election in a small German state, Sachsen-Anhalt.

00:28:47.840 to put this in perspective to people in canada it's roughly it's the relative importance of

00:28:54.320 new brunswick can you imagine a provincial election in new brunswick that gets front page

00:29:01.740 wall-to-wall coverage across the planet and has people quaking with fear something is going weird

00:29:08.560 when new brunswick has an election of that magnitude what happened is the afd a uh a

00:29:13.360 populist right party in germany uh utterly destroyed their opponents um the governing

00:29:21.020 cdu the party that's nominally kind of supposed to be conservative at least the christian democratic

00:29:25.740 union went from 37 of the vote and the governing party to uh something like 17 they got obliterated

00:29:33.140 um and but the cdu because it's proportional representation afd doesn't have enough

00:29:38.980 votes it's like one or two seats short of an absolute majority and so it's a weird situation

00:29:44.720 uh where they still might not actually govern i i actually i think they probably will because it

00:29:52.100 would require a super coalition of the conservatives in germany the social democrats which are the

00:29:56.960 center-left uh the greens which are i mean do you think our greens are crazy you gotta see their

00:30:01.760 they literally invented the first green party they're og crazy green and then uh die linke

00:30:07.440 which is the literal legal successor of the East German Communist Party,

00:30:13.240 and then a populist left party, which is kind of the wild card here.

00:30:17.860 It got 5% of the vote, so barely in.

00:30:19.960 It's a left-wing party, and it's kind of pro-Russian,

00:30:23.380 but it's also against mass migration. 0.91

00:30:26.100 So they actually might work with it.

00:30:27.620 Anyway, long story short, you've got headlines across the world

00:30:31.280 written from the wire services calling it far right.

00:30:34.880 Is that a fair description?

00:30:36.240 No.

00:30:36.960 Naughty people read Ayn Rand before they go to bed?

00:30:40.760 It's not even close to a fair description.

00:30:42.900 There probably are a few actual far-right figures here and there in the party.

00:30:47.580 So really, we're talking about an anti-immigration party.

00:30:50.420 They just said the magic word, re-migration.

00:30:53.180 Yeah.

00:30:53.620 But remember, they were described, though, as far-right by the establishment and Angela Merkel when they were first created.

00:30:59.720 Before anybody was really talking about migration, they were essentially a libertarian party

00:31:03.980 that opposed German taxpayers

00:31:05.800 bailing out the pension funds

00:31:07.420 of like Greece and Portugal.

00:31:09.440 And that got them labeled far right

00:31:11.280 because they wanted to withdraw

00:31:13.040 from the Eurozone

00:31:13.960 and have their own currency,

00:31:15.140 the Deutsche Bank.

00:31:15.800 That made them far right.

00:31:17.500 And then migration became a big issue

00:31:18.960 and then that started to dominate the party.

00:31:22.900 And yeah, so the...

00:31:24.060 Sounds like these are people

00:31:25.040 we could vote for.

00:31:26.800 Yeah.

00:31:27.580 The Trump plug-in is...

00:31:29.100 Trump couldn't help himself.

00:31:32.220 I'm sure the AFD probably didn't appreciate the help.

00:31:35.640 But Trump was cheering us on.

00:31:37.760 He said, make Germany great again.

00:31:39.680 Mach tolitschlein.

00:31:40.600 Grosse Vida.

00:31:42.000 I mean, that'll set a few people on edge.

00:31:45.500 But you've got the AFD leading nationally in Germany as well.

00:31:52.380 Marie Le Pen poised very strongly to be the next president in France.

00:31:57.260 Nigel Farage.

00:31:58.840 The polls are fluctuating in the UK.

00:32:00.360 But Nigel Farage seems poised to win there.

00:32:05.480 The new right is rising all across Europe now.

00:32:10.020 And it's labeled far right everywhere.

00:32:12.420 When to me, this is the moderate option to fix Europe at this point.

00:32:16.440 Because it's going to get fixed at the ballot box or it's going to get fixed outside the ballot box at some point when it degenerates far enough.

00:32:24.140 I know that's a long opening round.

00:32:25.280 Anyway, you can pick it up.

00:32:26.080 Yeah, well, we're going to see more of that trend.

00:32:28.080 You were kind of talking about that before.

00:32:29.300 This began long ago.

00:32:31.300 I think maybe in my view, the tipping point for Europe was the Syrian exodus and the cultural 1.00

00:32:37.520 shock of these predominantly male, young men, rapists coming into the country. 0.99

00:32:44.120 So let's just be blunt about it and leading to just, you know, a cultural upheaval. 0.76

00:32:50.340 And we've been seeing it, yeah, hitting the streets in the UK, but still that instinct

00:32:54.400 among parties in power is just not to touch immigration.

00:32:57.300 They're terrified of immigration. 0.71

00:32:58.600 they're terrified of the r-word and you kick the can down the road you kick the can down the road

00:33:03.160 and you defer it eventually that pendulum's gonna swing back and and and this is as derek said too

00:33:09.720 it's not as far right as they're describing in fact they should be looking at why people are

00:33:14.440 leaning that way rather than trying to decry it because if you defer what has to happen much

00:33:19.080 longer we're gonna see riots we're gonna see uh issues in many countries so i think one of the

00:33:24.520 things to emphasize this is not the reborn nazi party no this is an entirely different

00:33:31.560 set of considerations and it is not unreasonable for germans and the people of anhalt saxon

00:33:39.880 saxon saxon there's three saxonies in germany yes there's saxon saxon anhalt it's a long

00:33:49.720 complicated history of the Roman Empire anyway but the thing is the these are not people who

00:33:54.680 you should describe as far right you know that the nazi party was the national socialist party

00:34:01.560 so somehow that became far right so that shows how much uh attention you can pay to the people

00:34:08.040 who write the labels so what do we really got Derek you were the way you've explained it they

00:34:13.480 are opposed to mass migration and they have some concerns about germans bailing out the slack

00:34:22.200 habits of people who don't work hard enough in other countries now is that far right that to me

00:34:28.200 seems like about as centrist a position as you could take it was that was the cdu the conservative

00:34:34.600 party's position in germany until even for the first bit of angela merkel angela merkel used to

00:34:41.880 say multiculturalism doesn't work doesn't fit for us so it's frankly early angela merkel except

00:34:50.120 actually meaning it that's that's the difference and uh martin selner he's kind of he's an austrian

00:34:56.040 guy i've interviewed him before uh he's kind of one of the big leaders and founders of the

00:34:59.720 re-migration movement across europe uh he had an interesting point uh or i think he was sharing

00:35:04.120 someone else's point that why doesn't why don't all these establishment parties hit there is a

00:35:09.400 fix it button you know one button they could all press and fix it there's actually only one party

00:35:14.280 in europe that's died which is so mass migration is creating total upheaval in the poll it's

00:35:20.360 smashing the political establishment in every single country in europe that's engaged in it

00:35:24.520 so essentially everyone besides poland and hungary and a couple balkans um if they just fix that

00:35:30.600 issue they could go back to their you know 10 week uh 10 weeks of vacation socialist welfare

00:35:36.920 paradises and the establishment would be firmly back in control but they're risking

00:35:42.040 all control over this one issue uh only the uh danish social democratic party so center-left

00:35:47.800 party in denmark they said yeah uh we're gonna tackle mass migration and they totally destroyed

00:35:56.040 the so-called far right they're nowhere to be seen as a significant force in denmark anymore

00:36:00.360 because they just took the issue off the table you don't like that fine it's fixed in fact

00:36:04.840 if we want to have our socialist uh uh you know our welfare paradise state here uh we can't fund 0.83

00:36:11.560 that if we're funding every tom dick and muhammad who comes in why is it so important to the center 0.91

00:36:19.640 left the hard left the center left and the center right in europe to not tackle this issue when that 0.89

00:36:27.000 one issue threatens all of their grips on power yes they still won't do it the migrants vote for

00:36:33.320 of them. They don't vote for the Senate right. The migrants are not voting for the CDU. They're 1.00

00:36:37.920 voting for Die Linke. They're voting for Green. They're voting for the Social Democrats. They're

00:36:43.300 not voting for CDU. I look at England. I keep saying it's going to explode at any point.

00:36:50.180 Dozens and dozens of single mailmen arriving on the shores every single day. Last week,

00:36:56.100 was one inflatable raft that had 245 guys on it 245 on one raft uh on the weekend that didn't get

00:37:05.060 much media coverage but hundreds of uh protesters blocked migrant boats down in portsmouth and uh

00:37:14.020 and the government condemned them you know far-right thuggery as the is they're saying so 1.00

00:37:20.180 and England has fallen there's no doubt about it uh Muslims now control the country and uh 1.00

00:37:26.660 just a matter of uh matter of time before they control the uh the federal government 1.00

00:37:31.300 well even try to make incremental changes it's funny we've seen it wash all the way over to here

00:37:34.980 and in social media Bruce McAllister dared so Bruce McAllister for those who don't know is

00:37:39.620 one of the most senior staffers to premier Daniel Smith yes and he dared to be speak somewhat

00:37:44.100 favorably of what's happening in Germany and pointing some of those things out and then the

00:37:48.900 referenda question we're facing in alberta like some of those questions are on changing things

00:37:53.380 at least for temporary uh migrants in alberta and things like that and the blowback was immediate

00:37:59.700 don braid popped his pen out and basically dropped the h-bomb he did he went to the hitler uh he

00:38:06.660 dropped the h-bomb right away like we can't even and that's what these guys got to realize if we 0.97

00:38:14.420 can't make the moderate changes now the shit's gonna hit the fan in another 10 years like just 0.97

00:38:19.540 look at the bellwethers guys europe is telling us what we're heading towards don't start pulling the 0.98

00:38:25.060 h-word when somebody's talking about relatively modest changes here this is the europe the mr

00:38:30.180 carney wishes us yes i'm closer to so but i mean it's it's it is interesting on how yeah basically

00:38:35.860 a state election or a provincial election across the world has led to local domestic uh strife

00:38:41.700 in politics here yeah so don braid you calgary herald's uh senior columnist drops the h bomb

00:38:47.140 says this you know uh would make adolf hitler proud when i don't think adolf hitler would be 0.97

00:38:52.580 proud of his successor that is a lesbian married to a brown sri lincoln woman i i think hitler 0.87

00:38:58.900 would be rolling in his hitler would take offense he was supposed to do those things yeah yeah he 0.97

00:39:03.940 he would take offense but this is the problem when everything you know how you get a hitler

00:39:09.040 Call everything Hitler.

00:39:10.980 And everything, if you, everything, you know, when the establishment says, oh, you like low taxes? 0.89

00:39:15.840 That's Hitler. 0.97

00:39:17.020 Oh, you don't want mass third world migration? 0.96

00:39:20.080 That's Hitler. 0.83

00:39:21.380 If you call everything someone likes Hitler, people might start to like the man. 0.80

00:39:26.380 Be careful with what you're doing. 0.92

00:39:28.880 As a rhetorical employee, that's exactly right.

00:39:31.400 That does happen.

00:39:33.200 You can overstate your case.

00:39:35.360 Well, and it's politically effective.

00:39:37.080 i mean we'll see what happens here uh let's see if if mr mcallister goes into retreat on it the

00:39:43.080 usual i mean they call for his resignation every couple of weeks for something he says on x anyways

00:39:46.840 but yeah he and dwayne brought got into it pretty good dwayne brad's another for those not familiar

00:39:51.480 a political scientist from our royal university who tends to take the ndp side on things pretty

00:39:56.120 heavily yeah so yeah it's spilling over into local alberta politics it's it's interesting

00:40:03.080 haven't seen anything from Pierre Polyev.

00:40:05.060 Pierre Polyev, I remember a few years ago,

00:40:07.280 threw a few Conservative MPs

00:40:09.080 onto the bus for meeting with Christine Anderson.

00:40:11.280 Christine Anderson is an AFD member

00:40:12.780 of the European Parliament. 0.97

00:40:14.980 She's actually from, for lack of a better term,

00:40:17.200 the moderate wing of the party.

00:40:18.360 She's from Hessen, essentially near

00:40:19.900 kind of the province with Frankfurt in it,

00:40:22.380 the West German side.

00:40:23.420 They tend to be, you know,

00:40:25.040 they're against mass migration as well,

00:40:26.340 but their focus is more from the older wing of the party,

00:40:28.840 which is against Eurozone bailouts.

00:40:30.580 They're more physical, conservative, libertarian types.

00:40:33.080 And she was against, you know, she was speaking in Canada on, you know, against vaccine mandates and whatnot.

00:40:39.680 Some conservative MPs had a picture snap with her and Polyev threw them under the bus, wrote a statement on their behalf.

00:40:45.640 I haven't seen a single one of those conservative MPs actually issued a statement or even agree with a statement that was issued on their behalf, disowning this.

00:40:54.300 But, yeah, it's causing chaos really around the world, like kind of by affiliation, because most conservative voters in Canada,

00:41:02.760 i would imagine would agree with the afd's positions but the conservative establishment

00:41:09.000 has to toe the line because all the stories written about it are written by wire services

00:41:13.400 reuters uh all these kinds of things and it's always described as far right yeah well they've

00:41:20.520 lost the plot on that and nobody knows what far right or far left is these days just for the

00:41:25.320 record your opinion editor of the day had a cigarette with her outside the back down there

00:41:31.720 where corey goes and uh had a very good conversation charming woman and by somebody

00:41:39.880 who if you actually listen her you could vote for her no problem yeah so all right we'll put

00:41:47.080 a bit in that there uh our parting shots we'll start with cory i just want to remind everybody

00:41:52.440 yeah we got a referendum coming and this regardless of which way people might vote is

00:41:58.680 shaping up to be a heck of a gong show because elections alberta appears to be completely

00:42:02.920 incapable of managing it they sent out 300 000 advanced ballots it sounds like there's not the

00:42:08.520 right amount of balance in some envelopes but even worse there's an attestation on there that

00:42:14.280 people have to sign saying that uh yeah i don't go too far in the weeds with this but it's from

00:42:20.120 the prior legislation saying you couldn't get an advanced ballot unless you had a special reason

00:42:24.440 so elections alberta said well just scratch that out and then send it back in it's causing confusion

00:42:30.920 you know and seniors and so on are getting this because it says you can be charged criminally if

00:42:35.400 you don't uh sign this like how hard is it when you're sending out 300 000 of something to have

00:42:41.880 somebody just read the copy and say hey wait a minute that doesn't belong there these are the

00:42:46.040 people running this referendum and whoever wins and whoever loses they're going to question the

00:42:50.680 the validity of the entire exercise

00:42:52.860 because Elections Alberta

00:42:54.260 has really not shown good competency in this

00:42:56.680 and it is an alarming number of mail-in

00:42:58.720 ballots that have been sent out. Mail-in ballots does

00:43:00.660 not equal fraud but mail

00:43:02.060 it's a lot easier to commit fraud with mail-in ballots

00:43:04.440 and I'm going to have

00:43:06.180 I'm not going to get my numbers exact here but somewhere

00:43:08.460 in the ballpark of 75,000

00:43:11.060 mail-in ballots were used in the last

00:43:12.600 provincial election so far how many

00:43:14.660 have been requested for this? Almost 300,000

00:43:16.400 You know

00:43:17.280 that's cause for concern and

00:43:19.940 fraud is a lot easier to commit. You know, you could have a bunch of people eligible

00:43:24.080 in a household to vote, but who wouldn't otherwise vote

00:43:28.380 and canvasser goes and just gets them all to sign up and

00:43:31.700 get them all to fill it in and send it in. There's very little in the way to

00:43:36.340 control for fraud here. I shouldn't say that.

00:43:40.360 There are ways to control for fraud, but it is a lot easier to commit and it's a huge

00:43:44.340 number of ballots. Nigel. So I'm just

00:43:47.960 I don't normally do this, but I'm just going to pump my own show for tomorrow night.

00:43:52.580 It will be 25 years on Friday since a couple of airliners slammed into the Twin Towers

00:43:57.740 and another one into the Pentagon and another one into the fields of Pennsylvania.

00:44:02.480 It changed everything, changed the way we live. 0.64

00:44:05.260 People under 25 have grown up in an atmosphere that was very different

00:44:09.780 for what people who have a recollection of what life was like before that happened.

00:44:14.100 And I have a statement to make.

00:44:16.240 And then Dave Naylor and myself and Liam O'Shea,

00:44:19.520 who would be one of those who weren't around at the time,

00:44:22.660 come talk about it.

00:44:23.940 So check in the Hannaford Show tomorrow night at 7 o'clock, 9-11 for 20 minutes.

00:44:30.520 Dave, you're shocked.

00:44:31.700 Also 9-11.

00:44:32.940 My social feed has been flooded with videos of that day.

00:44:38.280 And you forget how terrifying it was that day.

00:44:41.520 yeah and we just didn't know whether literally the world was ending my kid my daughter phoned

00:44:48.320 and asked me what's going on i said i don't know uh just you know take it easy and uh

00:44:55.680 little trade secret was the first of two times the only two times i've cried

00:45:01.440 in the newsroom was 9 11. all right uh on a much happier note calgary pride uh

00:45:08.800 I should have gone first the way this went.

00:45:13.720 You know, as usual, conservative politicians wanted to go in the Calgary Pride Parade.

00:45:20.740 I won't name the ones here, but I think there was a few.

00:45:24.060 And they were denied the right to go into the Pride Parade. 0.89

00:45:28.660 Now, Calgary's Pride Parade is not the degenerate pedo-fest that Toronto's is. 0.93

00:45:33.980 uh calgary's not known for having grown men walk around with their wangs dangling around in front

00:45:39.700 of little children um but it is nonetheless uh it's an odd it's an odd thing it's not my cup of

00:45:45.380 tea but you know whatever you want to do but uh you know the pride movement is so thoroughly hijacked

00:45:51.980 by gender ideology radicals and they're always somehow they're fighting but israel and palestine 0.97

00:45:57.980 in the middle of this crap conservative mps were denied the right to participate in the march 0.96

00:46:03.740 and then pathetically they announced oh but i'm gonna go and march with this other group anyway 1.00

00:46:09.080 you know what if these assholes don't want you so you know what uh me participating was progress 0.99

00:46:15.420 for your movement you don't want me in your movement i'm gonna go do my own thing you know 0.98

00:46:19.900 so i just think i think it's beneath the dignity of conservative mps who were denied the application

00:46:24.640 to go to the parade to then have to go you know sneak in with some other group and you know just 0.99

00:46:29.420 they can prove i'm not homophobic because i was there no these guys are assholes have a little 0.97

00:46:34.380 self-dignity conservative mps when you're denied permit to go in these things just don't go 0.98

00:46:40.300 a little self-respect you know amen all right that's it uh quick reminder uh if you if you're

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00:47:21.320 Nigel, maybe Corey

00:47:22.800 I don't know, I'm putting you on the spot

00:47:24.560 I'm not going to make you answer now

00:47:26.520 but you can chat with us

00:47:29.500 live in a private

00:47:31.220 forum

00:47:32.760 in the comments section but also

00:47:35.220 just on video, face to face

00:47:36.800 it's a great intimate opportunity for you guys

00:47:39.000 to give us feedback about

00:47:40.920 what we could be doing better or what's happening

00:47:43.240 in the world that we should be paying attention to

00:47:44.840 alright, that's it for me

00:47:46.840 Corey, Nigel and Dave

00:47:48.820 thank you, thank you John of Production

00:47:50.760 I thank all of you for joining us today

00:47:52.680 God bless

Western Standard - September 13, 2026

THE PIPELINE： Is Poilievre pushing Alberta conservatives too far？

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