00:01:11.960And if you don't stand up for them, you're going to lose them.
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00:01:26.520All right, let's get to it. I'm joined today by our opinion editor, Nigel Hannaford.
00:01:43.620It has. So, I mean, I'll get right to it. It's going to dominate this show because it's just dominated the whole week. Israel is at war. You know, Hamas has pulled off one of the most horrific terrorist attacks against Israel. And now, of course, the retaliation is going to take some time. I guess just for some folks, maybe if they turned off the TVs all Thanksgiving and so on. Give us a rundown. What's going on, Dave?
00:02:09.980Yeah, it was really scenes of savagery, the likes we've rarely seen.
00:04:12.540And then, of course, we've got the big question, many, many big questions, including what's going to happen with Hezbollah on northern Israel and in Lebanon.
00:04:22.440there's already been some tit-for-tat firing over there so uh unbelievable carnage and
00:04:30.440unfortunately i think more carnage is yet to come well that's it i mean it's hard to understand the
00:04:37.720motivations of this we're outside of it you know thankfully the world we're in it just doesn't
00:04:43.720occur to us to support something as horrific as this but what nigel i know it's a big broad
00:04:51.560question, but I mean, they knew what they must be invoking. What did Hamas think they were going to0.88
00:04:57.400accomplish out of this? Okay, well, I'm going to try and give the Hamas point of view, but let me
00:05:02.780say right off the front, I have no use for this organization whatsoever. Oh, I understand. We're just0.95
00:05:07.800trying to figure out. I'm trying to give it, I'm trying to be fair to, you know, why it is that they
00:05:12.740do what they do. But, you know, I have just been personally deeply saddened by, as the news comes
00:05:22.460out, that people have been burned to death in their cars. There's pictures on the internet right
00:05:29.700now. As the, you know, some poor teenage kid is taken across the border and to be held as a hostage
00:05:37.160and, you know, you can imagine all the things that, all the things that, and then 40 dead
00:05:43.400babies, some of them decapitated, all of them dead, and people in Canada are, you know,
00:05:52.580like this person from CUPE, like in Ontario, saying, oh, what was his quote exactly?
00:06:01.920that Palestine is rising, long live the resistance.
00:06:06.000Yeah, 40 dead babies, some of them decapitated,0.91
00:06:08.740long live Palestine, long live the resistance.0.96
00:07:55.600We've got our friends in Hesbollah who, if the Iranians give them permission, will help us.1.00
00:08:03.080Hamas has had its own difficulties with the Iranians, which I do not understand and cannot explain.0.91
00:08:10.800But apparently that has now been settled.
00:08:13.100So I think this is just a horribly costly and barbaric attempt to remain a piece on the chessboard.
00:08:25.600They seem to have gone out of their way to be as provocative as possible. This was planned. Like some of the worst atrocities we're seeing, they aren't being released by the IDF. They're being released by Hamas' own videos.
00:08:39.180I mean, this was purposeful, showing that that young lady clearly been terribly treated, being forced into a vehicle to be further abused.
00:08:50.780You know, the pictures of them entering houses in kibbutzes, peaceful little enclaves, and torching the places, even shooting their pets.
00:08:58.340Like they are, you know, it's not like they're trying to surreptiously do an attack.0.68
00:09:02.000They want to make sure the world sees just how vicious and horrible they're being while they're at it.
00:09:09.180they're trying to prompt a response.1.00
00:09:12.360And they certainly got it out of Israel,
00:09:13.740but I think they're trying to get much more than that.
00:09:15.580Yeah, I don't understand the end game here, as Nigel says.0.99
00:09:19.040I mean, what Israel is now doing had to be expected.
00:09:24.680And, you know, if you operate with such barbarity0.95
00:09:29.620that you're severing the heads off babies,
00:09:32.260then shouldn't you expect your country to be turned into a parking lot?0.91
00:09:49.180And I think, Corey, you've got a column coming out later on today that until the ordinary Gazans rise up and say, no, we don't want nothing to do with Hamas, then the situation is going to change.
00:09:58.940But the bottom line is there's a lot of innocent people on both sides that have died and will die.
00:10:55.880While Rachel Notley, Alberta NDP leader, has condemned the attack, one of her MLA's, Calgary Klein MLA, Lizette Tejeda, I apologize if I got her last name wrong, in the past she has openly called Israel barbaric and committing genocide of the Palestinians.
00:11:16.240We have a story on a Mount Royal University professor who wrote in Al Jazeera yesterday about how the Palestinian resistance and uprising.
00:11:25.940We had a story on the Osgoode Law School, lawyers of the future, you know, praising the Palestinian resistance.
00:11:34.220On a point of detail, that was a group of Muslim lawyers within the school that did that.0.68
00:14:36.620Yeah, there's been no immediate call for his removal from any union member.
00:14:41.140He pulled the tooth down pretty quick.
00:14:42.200Yeah, you know, and he even doubled down yesterday.
00:14:44.740And they blamed trolls, you know, for causing all the hysteria, anti-Israeli trolls, sorry, pro-Israeli trolls.
00:14:55.040You know, so it's, he's got himself in a world of trouble and he doesn't seem to want to apologize for celebrating the death of more than a thousand people.
00:15:03.900And this is the thing, this is a very, very complex, and if you really want to get into the whole history of the Arab-Israeli conflict and go back over the decades and see where all this,
00:15:14.740came from i don't know whether you would ever reach a conclusion
00:15:18.560but there is a time and a place to to make your argument and when innocents have been brutally
00:15:28.940murdered there's not the time to say way to go boys let's do some more that is i just have no
00:15:36.440patience with that whatsoever i know that the counter argument to that would be well the
00:15:40.820israelis do it all the time the thing is they don't do it all the time you know there's no
00:15:44.620moral equivalents there is tired of people trying to play that that's exactly right
00:15:48.860israel responds when the other side provokes and if they and by the way if children are killed in
00:15:57.220gaza as undoubtedly they're the look of things as looks as if they will be
00:16:01.100it's it's a different thing to drop a bomb on a building and the people inside are killed0.96
00:16:08.560than what it is to go into a bedroom and stick a knife into a child
00:16:15.340and then cut its head off and leave the bed, the picture you showed me,
00:16:19.500just bed covered in blood and toys around covered in blood,
00:16:23.920and you know the child has just been murdered there.
00:16:25.580That's very personal, and the intensity of the hatred in a young man,
00:16:31.500because that's what it's going to be, the intensity of a hatred in a young man
00:16:35.360to do that is just a horrifying thing to see, and to know that somebody put that in there,
00:16:44.400somebody taught him to feel like that. What kind of people are they?
00:16:48.420The cowardice of it. You know, I mean, I think people, nobody seen, likes to watch war and people
00:16:53.920killing each other, but they can wrap their heads around military forces in a conflict going at
00:16:59.540each other, combatants, even if it's still horrifying. But these guys, again, went out of
00:17:04.480way for the low-hanging fruit. They went to a music festival for peace of all things. You knew
00:17:08.960these were not going to be people who were going to fight back. And for people not familiar with
00:17:12.860it, a kibbutz is like a little commune. I said on X the other day, the closest equivalent would be0.71
00:17:16.760almost like a Hutterite colony. You know, it's agriculturally based. It's small. They tend to
00:17:20.660be pacifists, often hippies. And again, these are spots. They knew that. They're not going to deal
00:17:25.340with somebody fighting back or shooting back. They're pacifists, and they slaughtered them.
00:17:30.900And it's just astounding on this level.
00:17:34.780So getting to the political response, though, you know, the country's condemnation, at least from civilized nations, has been pretty much universal, right?
00:18:07.200And he was at a community of Jewish people in Ottawa that night, as was opposition leader Pollyev.
00:18:15.180Pollyev was even stronger than Trudeau.
00:18:17.480So two good statements from our leaders. And yeah, universal condemnation, except for maybe North Korea and Russia, but every other sane leader in the world has condemned it wholeheartedly.
00:18:37.340And I do want to give some credit where it's due, because, you know, I spend a lot of time beating on Prime Minister Trudeau, but he covered as a guy who's typically noncommittal, likes to be mealy mouth, likes to give word salad.
00:18:48.440He was very clear as you quoted there, and he used the keyword terrorist, which our state broadcaster won't use.
00:18:54.680He condemned the people supporting it, which a lot of people won't do.
00:18:57.760Again, their silence is almost consent, which he could have dodged by just not even talking about that.
00:25:46.160I mean, with the amount of citizens it has around the world,
00:25:48.500but still strong ties back to Israel that are going to support.
00:25:52.480I mean, the ramifications as this goes on,
00:25:55.600Americans have been putting a lot of resources into Ukraine.
00:26:00.220They're going to be diverting a lot of that now towards Israel.
00:26:04.640And they only have so much they can dedicate.
00:26:06.880I think the money-making printing machines are going strong in the United States.
00:26:14.700Just quickly one point on the last thing.
00:26:16.520There are Canadian hostages, the Israeli government confirmed today.
00:26:19.520We don't know how many, but there are Canadians being held hostage.
00:26:23.820Ukraine President Zelensky is concerned about this.
00:26:27.320He says, you know, the world's attention will now focus to the Middle East and people will forget about us.
00:26:33.040There was a NATO meeting today in Europe in which all the defense ministers said, you know, we won't. European countries pledged more hundreds of millions of dollars. The U.S. government is pledging hundreds of millions of dollars more.
00:26:50.120So, you know, and the U.S. is also giving arms to Israel in terms of armaments and whatnot.
00:26:59.480So their stocks must be pretty depleted.
00:27:04.800You know, it looks like the Ukrainian counteroffensive has kind of stalled or not going as quickly as they would hope.
00:27:11.040So, you know, I guess there may not be enough weapons to go around.
00:27:15.720Should have bought General Dynamics when we had the chance.
00:27:18.880I guess kind of a minor blessing in a sense, it still doesn't matter, it's being utilized elsewhere, but the Russian hardware and abilities, I mean, they've often liked to play and often in support of the Arab nations in that area, but they don't have resources they can be sending down there.
00:27:35.960They're trying to get resources out of North Korea right now as it stands militarily.
00:27:39.820So, you know, some of those players, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and the others, can't count on Russia to put in on this,
00:27:46.540which, again, I think is good because it might reduce the chances, which I think a lot of people fear,
00:27:50.960of an all-out war breaking out in that area.
00:27:53.580So, you know, you talk about all-out war, and obviously we should talk about it,
00:27:58.220and that is a real risk that a lot of people are concerned about.
00:28:02.000There's also the risk of this spreading.
00:28:04.740And I'm thinking now about this muller who has called for a global jihad.
00:28:11.120Perhaps I'm incorrect in calling him a muller, but he is a...0.93
00:28:14.100He was one of the founders of Hamas.1.00
00:28:21.760and he's called on Hamas militants to conduct attacks around the world on Friday.
00:28:27.880so we're here talking about what the americans are going to be doing for the israelis
00:28:36.360i wonder if we're going to be talking next week about how the americans handled attacks on their
00:28:41.400own soil it's an interesting point nigel because there was a lot of talk on twitter over the0.50
00:28:46.200weekend about the uh absolutely crazy flow of uh migrants coming across the uh the u.s southern
00:28:53.720border, you know, 10, 11,000 a day. And there's speculation that amongst this crew, but not just
00:29:00.780recently, but a while ago, Hamas operatives, terrorists have slipped in and are now in the
00:29:08.880States. And the speculation got so much that the FBI actually issued a statement on it saying,
00:29:15.980you know, we're monitoring, we're not aware of anything looming. But yeah,
00:29:22.820it's you know it wouldn't come as a surprise if something happened in in in the united states
00:29:30.660over the next month or so well just before we came on the program david i downloaded one story
00:29:35.640just is very recent here about two men who had been apprehended who were on the terrorist watch
00:29:43.360list and they were trying to slip across the border and the thrust of the story was that
00:29:48.700well it was only two men it's very rare you know whereas an actual fact it was more like according
00:29:57.120to a different source that it was more like about 160 people over the course of that time
00:30:05.500had been recognized but you know don't they don't have to be on anybody's watch list no you can just
00:30:13.680be a young kid in growing up in gaza without any prospects and somebody says to you if you want to
00:30:21.200do this you could go to the united states you'll come up through the border we'll we'll get you
00:30:28.000through there you don't have to worry about the gangs uh we'll get you through and you just go
00:30:34.720where we tell you and wait and there will be other sleepers who will be doing the same thing and when
00:30:43.040we give you the signal start start shooting we always sorry we always thought it was going to be
00:30:49.440the russians russian sleeper agents yeah well there's nothing to say how moss doesn't have
00:30:54.240sleeper agents you know you talk about the two that were picked up okay well two out of how many
00:31:00.08011 000 people across a day and you find two well the other part is some just local nut bar who's
00:31:09.280inspired by the events over there, he decides on their own. I mean, Dearborn, Michigan, how many
00:31:14.240thousands came out waving there, you know, because there's a very large population there of people.
00:31:20.880Again, most of them, of course, aren't going to commit any acts of violence, but that's the nature
00:31:24.640of terrorism. A very small number of people can commit some terrible amount of damage,
00:31:29.840and then you get the social backlash, and then we really will start seeing some...
00:31:33.520You look at just the hundreds and hundreds of terrorists that Hamas convinced to go across the border into Israel in what they probably knew was going to be a suicide mission.
00:31:46.000They weren't coming back from him.0.81
00:31:47.160And they persuaded hundreds, scored hundreds to do it, to give up their lives for the Hamas cause.0.91
00:31:56.440So you're not beyond the realm of impossibility that they could have convinced some young men to go to America, sneak in, and attack the great Satan in the underbelly.0.92
00:33:38.820The one bad actor that we haven't talked about that could have enormous consequence is Iran.0.64
00:33:45.980There's all sorts of talk about Iran having helped fund the Hamas attack and helped arm them and, you know, has been a constant supply of money and support.
00:34:00.440Now, it hasn't been officially linked yet, but if it does come out that Iran helped this, what's going to happen then?
00:34:08.540Is there going to be sanctions on Iran?
00:36:32.860The Revolutionary Guard has got their boot on the throat of the country. Their secret
00:36:39.140police, whose name escapes me now, they're beating women for not wearing their hijab
00:36:45.080properly. So very difficult for the population to overthrow that government, I would think.
00:36:51.880It's easy, I guess, to sit here and say, you know, that's kind of what I push in the column and talk.
00:36:55.660We're just saying cousins have got to start getting up and pushing back.
00:36:58.000But it is easy for me to stay from the comfort of here versus somebody who's on the ground where you could be very terribly executed if you try to push against the authorities that are in power and fail.
00:37:08.700I'd like to talk, if we could, a minute, Corey, about Canadian Palestinians and how they're showing their support.
00:37:18.600I did a story yesterday on an Air Canada pilot who was photographed wearing a Palestinian scarf
00:37:25.180and had tweeted horrible things about Israel, you know, wishing them to condemn in hell and burn in hell
00:37:31.440and saying Adolf Hitler would be proud of the Israeli activities.
00:37:35.600Got on social media, as of course it will, and then you've got people saying,
00:37:39.540well, Air Canada, what's going on here? I don't want to fly into Tel Aviv with this guy.
00:37:44.320It was cleared to fly the big 787 jets.
00:37:48.420So Air Canada immediately grounded him.
00:37:50.860It's turned political now with Hope Chilliwack MP Chuck Strahl and the Conservatives calling for his dismissal.
00:38:00.740We've got a Toronto cop I just saw before coming in here who was basically doing the same thing.
00:38:06.220He's in uniform, but his Twitter is showing all sorts of nasty messages against Israel.
00:38:14.320so it's interesting i mean can these can a pilot be fired for supporting
00:38:21.200palestine well talk to your human rights commission on that one it's difficult actually
00:38:28.000well i don't know whether it is well there's the line between palestine and hamas0.92
00:38:32.320like there's the where you start to get a little more blurry no tolerance for supporting hamas
00:38:38.320if i were in hr in air canada it would be this simple i would say listen man we give you a
00:38:45.600uniform you wear the uniform you're not allowed to adorn it with a palestinian flag or a gay pride
00:38:52.160sticker or anything else that individual case yeah he abused his uniform representation absolutely
00:38:58.560i agree with dave this fellow shouldn't be flying at the moment um for all kinds of reasons that we
00:39:04.560we can imagine, but as far as just getting this,
00:39:09.400gentlemen to be, it's a corporate thing.