Western Standard - The Pipeline： Jordan Peterson headed to sensitivity training

00:00:00.000 good day today is january 17th 2024 happy new year i'm derek philip rent publisher

00:00:29.920 of the Western Standard and you're watching The Pipeline. I'm back again. I've been unknowingly

00:00:38.160 poisoning myself daily. I found out just yesterday that Quaker is poisoned. It's delicious harvest 1.00

00:00:44.640 crunch that I eat for breakfast two out of every three days and so I'd be sick for a few days.

00:00:50.560 Be so sick I couldn't eat. I get better and as soon as I was hungry again I'd eat some harvest

00:00:56.160 crunch and poisoned myself all over so I've I've been absent for a bit but we figure out

00:01:00.960 figured out what is uh what's it called um when someone uh weird thing when you think someone

00:01:06.000 might poison a child yeah that's it uh Monkhausen uh something by proxy yeah that's it yeah so I was

00:01:14.160 just poisoning myself to take care of myself and feel good about doing so so uh I'm back but so is

00:01:21.760 Western Senate opinion editor. I was better away. Well, yeah, but you're back always.

00:01:28.720 Also joining us, kind of like old times, Western Senate news editor, Dave Naylor.

00:01:32.960 It's been a while since we've done a pipeline together.

00:01:34.960 It has. It has. Let the good times roll.

00:01:38.000 You're normally on the pipeline when I'm not here.

00:01:40.240 Exactly. We should say Cory's not here.

00:01:43.920 Well, this time it's because Cory's not here. Our beloved Cory is away for some well-deserved

00:01:49.520 time off, I think. Down while we're not even gonna mention where he is somewhere warm,

00:01:54.640 somewhere warmer than here, which is anywhere here. We've got a good show today. Ottawa says,

00:02:02.400 let the Western bastards freeze in the dark, Ottawa not backing down from its plan to impose 0.97

00:02:10.560 net zero policies on Alberta and Saskatchewan by 2030, essentially requiring that we just use 0.95

00:02:17.920 wind and solar, which will go so great in weather like this. Alberta's grid being pushed to the

00:02:24.240 absolute breaking point with an emergency alert going out, I think two days in a row.

00:02:31.520 Just one. Just one? Early grid alert. But yeah, good warning. Yeah, good warning.

00:02:38.880 When we came to the absolute breaking point where we could have seen some rolling

00:02:41.920 outages, which would have been pretty bad in weather like this.

00:02:45.360 I would have just had to build a campfire in my living room or something. I don't know. But also closer to home here, Alberta NDP leader and former Premier, Rachel Notley, announcing her coming retirement just yesterday, announcing that she'll be stepping down as NDP leader.

00:03:07.260 Not very surprising. We've talked about it before, but now it's official. The machinery of the party is going to begin rolling.

00:03:14.160 And I know maybe some of you might roll your eyes. It's NDP leader. But Alberta is now a competitive political environment and this matters.

00:03:21.920 So we're going to get into it. Who are potential replacements might be, what the race might look like.

00:03:26.000 Someone who I don't expect to be running for NDP leader, Jordan Peterson, losing a court battle, which seems to now confirm he's going to be headed to sensitivity training to be nicer to liberals on Twitter and things like that.

00:03:43.860 The court upholding ruling of the Ontario College of Psychiatrists.

00:03:49.440 Psychologists.

00:03:50.320 Psychologists.

00:03:51.020 I don't actually know the difference.

00:03:52.820 I know there's one.

00:03:53.560 Psychiatrists can write you a prescription.

00:03:55.340 and the psychologists can just tell you to get well.

00:03:59.460 Okay.

00:04:00.320 There you are.

00:04:01.980 And I already forgot which one's which.

00:04:04.940 But either way, you know, the college ruling,

00:04:07.680 he needs sensitivity training because he hurts feelings of liberals online.

00:04:11.940 And the court's upholding very strangely that he has to do this.

00:04:15.880 I, for one, look forward to the video footage of these sensitivity training sessions.

00:04:22.080 So that's that.

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00:05:02.400 gun owners get together and fight for the common cause on this one all right well you know the old 0.98

00:05:08.480 saying the old bumper sticker was let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark coming you know in the 0.99

00:05:12.800 the fights between Peter Lougheed and Pierre Trudeau, you know, when we shut off the oil and gas to the east during fight over the national energy program, you know, the saying was, well, let them let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark. 0.98

00:05:27.860 So, you know, we actually did turn off the oil and gas for a bit to let them freeze in the dark, let them stew in their green, still Alberta's energy wealth.

00:05:37.040 But I think the saying might have some applicability in the other direction right now.

00:05:42.800 Maybe just tee up what the situation is, Dave, with Ottawa appearing to have zero willingness to budge on its imposing federal regulations on Alberta's exclusively provincial energy grid, showing no willingness really to budge in the face of extreme cold weather like we're seeing right now.

00:06:05.800 No, and it, you know, it was let the Westerners almost did freeze in the dark.

00:06:10.780 You know, temperatures were dropping to record lows, minus 50 with the windchill factor.

00:06:16.520 Temperatures I've never experienced in my lifetime.

00:06:19.400 I'm not as old as Nigel, but I'm still pretty old.

00:06:23.520 You've just never been ice fishing.

00:06:24.940 Yes, that's true.

00:06:25.680 I haven't.

00:06:26.360 No desire to.

00:06:26.960 It seems like a very, very silly thing to do. 0.94

00:06:30.160 Freeze your butt off to try and catch a fish, but there you go. 0.97

00:06:33.540 The point is to drink beer and get away from the wife. 0.88

00:06:35.300 I understand that. I think there's warmer places to go and drink beer and you're not going to fall through the ice.

00:06:41.140 We digress. Yeah, it got really, really, really cold.

00:06:45.260 And the grid was they did put out the emergency alert.

00:06:48.980 I think it was a Saturday night and Albertans responded quickly.

00:06:52.260 They turned off lights and the pressure on the grid dropped dramatically.

00:06:56.780 They put out another warning the next day saying, look, be prepared.

00:07:02.700 this could go to an emergency alert again. And once again, Albertans responded, but it was a

00:07:07.240 very close call. And it was sort of the worst of all factors coming together. No, no renewable

00:07:14.620 stuff going out, solar or wind combined with the freezing temperature. And yeah, no, it was almost

00:07:20.560 deathly silence. Thank goodness for Saskatchewan, they fired up an old coal plant and got us going

00:07:26.260 again. And Mo says, I'm not going to let people freeze to death. And if they want to charge me

00:07:30.140 for firing up the coal plant, come and get me, you know my address. So God bless Saskatchewan.

00:07:35.560 And really, not a word, not a word out of Trudeau or his crazed Environment Minister Gilbo,

00:07:42.780 Trudeau relaxing or decompressing after his tough times in Jamaica, I guess, but

00:07:47.960 the silence was absolutely deafening. Well, what could they say?

00:07:52.100 No, no, it was like this, you know, if you're sitting there in the powers of,

00:07:56.200 the quarters of power in Edmonton,

00:07:58.380 you're thinking this couldn't have happened at a better time.

00:08:00.860 This could not have happened at a better time.

00:08:02.760 Because, I mean, what a way to prove your argument.

00:08:05.100 I mean, I don't have much use from Mr. Trudeau or Mr. Gilbo,

00:08:11.040 but we were very playful with our headline today. 0.99

00:08:15.000 I don't think they actually said, let the Western bastards. 1.00

00:08:18.720 It's the sentiment. 0.99

00:08:19.980 It's not what they said.

00:08:20.960 They probably think it sometimes,

00:08:24.060 but I don't think that is or ever was the plan this is actually worse it is

00:08:30.780 that they don't understand or that they understand but think that somehow it will

00:08:37.300 all just work out if we give it another 13 years we take their approach just

00:08:42.360 throw infinite money at it you can fix anything so so really this just 0.85

00:08:50.100 illustrates the pure dumb folly of federal policy i'm not even sure given that daniel smith says

00:08:58.100 yeah we can do it but give us until 2050 i'm not even sure that's great policy but certainly the

00:09:03.620 idea of trying to push all of this through by 2035 is just not on the solid facts are that during the

00:09:12.020 NDP years we overbuilt solar and wind and then we took the main plate capacity of those plants and

00:09:21.620 said oh we have this much more generating capacity without ever contemplating a situation such as we

00:09:30.100 have just experienced where it's the middle of the night so there's no solar and the wind isn't

00:09:36.500 blowing because you've got a particular form of air mass that doesn't generate any wind suddenly

00:09:42.500 you're back to a little bit of coal and a little bit of natural gas that you've still got left

00:09:48.660 plus what's over the border in saskatchewan that they were kind enough to generate

00:09:52.900 we just have it out of balance this can be fixed but it's not going to be fixed by bringing in

00:09:58.580 more solar more wind yeah and the you know the coal phase which a lot of

00:10:10.100 people blame Notley for and she accelerated it but I mean let's be fair

00:10:14.420 here we actually have to go back to the Harper government that that phase this

00:10:17.860 out which was overreaching federal government has no business in the

00:10:22.080 regulation of any provincial power grid but the you know Harper seemed to get

00:10:26.600 away without without too much fuss at the time. But it does go back to that. And I think the Harper government was doing it as a, you know, a something they can show they were doing on global warming stuff without going full Kyoto full full cop kind of stuff. So it was a political maneuver, but it was still the wrong maneuver. Notley accelerated the coal phase out more aggressively than even that was.

00:10:50.980 But, you know, now we're in this argument, well, should Alberta be net zero by 2030 or 2050?

00:10:58.980 Ottawa is supposed to have nothing to do with our grid at all. Zero, period. The Constitution's clear.

00:11:06.480 I think Alberta's position needs to be to stop bartering on this, that, hey, if you're not going to accept our 2050 targets, we're going to rip it up completely. 0.98

00:11:13.380 We're just not going to have a net zero target. We're going to do what we want because you have no say in it whatsoever.

00:11:18.480 I think we should stop this bickering.

00:11:20.660 I think we should completely rip up our net zero targets if Ottawa is not going to accept.

00:11:25.100 It may be the only way to go because they do think they have a say.

00:11:28.660 They ignore court ruling after court ruling.

00:11:30.980 It doesn't seem to faze them.

00:11:32.080 They'll change a couple of words and, you know, two years from now we'll be stuck in court still arguing the same thing.

00:11:39.500 Yeah, no, they know they don't have a say.

00:11:41.280 They just ignore the fact that they have no say.

00:11:44.360 You know, you see it sometimes in negotiations where one side has the upper hand and they don't respect the law or the regulations.

00:11:51.840 They do what they want to do, pay the price later.

00:11:54.420 That's what these guys are up to.

00:11:56.360 Well, you know, and it's not just the ability of the grid to have enough energy.

00:12:00.740 It's the bloody prices.

00:12:02.120 I'm renewing right now with direct energy.

00:12:04.760 My five-year fixed term contract is up, and I'm facing rates three to four times.

00:12:14.360 what my my rates were even going into a new fixed contract it's like the prices right now are crazy

00:12:22.120 and but frankly we're just lucky to have enough energy and there's just no way to do it if we

00:12:27.880 were to do do what Ottawa says here so I think you're bang on Nigel that while it was terrible

00:12:33.480 that the grid got as far as it was it demonstrated the Alberta government's point here I think better

00:12:40.520 than they possibly could have with words or videos or commercials because we saw in real time. We can

00:12:45.960 only imagine the disaster that would have been the last few days if our entire grid would be

00:12:53.240 you know wind and solar and unicorn farts. You know one of the sad things about this

00:12:58.200 is that there are idiots out there now saying it was all fixed you know they actually cut 1.00

00:13:02.840 backwards and they sold power to Montana and they did this they wanted it to look bad. 1.00

00:13:08.120 Well, there's conspiracy theorists on all sides and the grannies have got theirs. 1.00

00:13:11.960 Nothing could be further from the truth. That was a close call. Thank you, Saskatchewan.

00:13:16.760 Indeed. All right, well, close to home here. Alberta NDP leader, former NDP Premier of Alberta,

00:13:25.640 Rachel Notley, announcing she'll be stepping down as leader. I don't think she's set a time yet,

00:13:31.160 but she informed her caucus, apparently over kind of a rushed Zoom call, which leads one to think

00:13:37.720 that the timing was a bit out of her hands on something something something had gone wrong

00:13:42.760 because the caucus intends to meet in person next week so and normally something like that

00:13:46.840 you want to do in person you know everybody stands and harrumbs the leader and pats you on the back

00:13:53.160 and hugs and whatnot it's uh so it's a bit strange time so something obviously happened internally to

00:13:58.920 to bring this up perhaps leadership campaigns wanting to get going or i don't know someone

00:14:03.720 have a story, etc. But in any case, stepping down, she's led the NDP since, I believe, I guess it would have been 2014. So 10 years now, she's been the leader and she's been an MLA, I think about 10 years before that, roughly 2004. I mean, going back, that would have been the end of the client government. So she is, she's been around a long time. In fact, I guess she was in the legislature the last time in Alberta Premier was

00:14:33.400 reelected, which would have been Klein in 2004. I would have been, geez, I would have been in high

00:14:40.360 school, the tail end of high school at the time. Just kind of reminder of how turbulent and

00:14:46.360 the lack of job security in the job of Alberta Premier. But she's been around a long time. I

00:14:54.360 don't think this is unexpected. She's had three leader, three elections as leader, two in a row

00:14:59.480 now a loss, but nonetheless leaving the NDP in a remarkably stronger position than she found it. 0.72

00:15:06.680 When she became leader, four seats and four seats was actually a fairly good accomplishment for

00:15:12.840 the NDP historically. Her father was the NDP leader. He was often just by himself, one MLA.

00:15:20.760 I think his high watermark was two MLAs. That was his high watermark, Grant Lotley. When she took

00:15:27.720 over it was four MLAs she leaves it now with I don't know 35 38 a very significant very large

00:15:34.520 opposition caucus the biggest opposition caucus in Alberta history and so while coming off of

00:15:39.080 two losses she leaves the NDP in a remarkably stronger place than she found it but still

00:15:44.680 while as likable as she might be she still had a pretty rough four years as premier some would 0.99

00:15:49.880 say disastrous I suppose that depends on one's point of view but obviously not able to break

00:15:54.760 through and time to ride into the sunset, at least as Alberta leaders. So with you, Nigel,

00:16:01.720 your thoughts on Notley finally making it official that she's stepping down?

00:16:07.400 Well, first of all, that means lots of people can now collect on their bets. So that's a good

00:16:14.200 thing. Don't forget, I got a pat ourselves on the back right here. We were the first to report it

00:16:18.600 last year. Yes. Okay. But to be fair, it was a pretty good bet she was going to step down.

00:16:23.560 Well, nobody else reported it though.

00:16:25.880 Yeah. And we had the broad outlines of what we reported, how it was going to work roughly

00:16:30.760 were correct. But I mean, it's like predicting that there'll be a lunar eclipse at some point.

00:16:38.040 You know, I think the I think the singular accomplishment of Rachel Notley, much as I

00:16:44.680 deplore most of her ideas, was the fact that she was able to get rid of the lunatic fringe

00:16:53.400 on the ntp who had ideas that were not only more deplorable but made them completely unelectable

00:17:00.040 you just made reference to the extremely small caucus numbers that they had prior to her coming 0.64

00:17:05.480 along and the relatively strong position in which she now leaves them she had a knack for sidelining

00:17:15.480 the people who, we have the equivalents on the conservative side of the movement, she

00:17:24.560 managed to get them out of the way and present Albertans with something that they could vote

00:17:30.560 for in a moment of disgust with the 40-year progressive conservatives.

00:17:37.740 I mean, it wasn't a success.

00:17:43.300 You could say that she, you know, she brought in a $15 minimum wage. 1.00

00:17:48.160 Well, guess what?

00:17:48.920 You just take away jobs from high school students when you do that kind of thing.

00:17:55.080 The climate strategy that she advanced concentrated on the four large producers, 0.57

00:18:01.320 left the whole junior oil producers out of the equation.

00:18:04.740 and low oil and gas is not responsible for the low oil and gas prices.

00:18:13.280 But she did bring in the carbon tax, which was widely disliked,

00:18:17.900 and she's generally perceived as being far, far too close with Prime Minister Trudeau.

00:18:25.000 And there are some pictures which seem to indicate that there was a bond of affection there,

00:18:31.360 and the admiration that she had for him as the ultimate progressive.

00:18:36.460 And Auburn's got sick of that. 1.00

00:18:38.980 But she did do that. 0.96

00:18:40.440 She made the NDP electable, and that's going to be the challenge for the next leader of the NDP,

00:18:47.020 because the crazies are still out there, as you may have noticed from Twitter.

00:18:51.500 Some of them may run for leadership.

00:18:54.120 We hope so.

00:18:55.160 We certainly hope so, yeah.

00:18:56.180 So Nigel is correct in that she sidelined some of the most extreme.

00:18:59.780 most, they weren't purged, but sideline them out of being front row center in the party, the more

00:19:06.100 fringe extreme left characters. But at the same time, I think it's fair to say she both mainstreamed

00:19:12.900 a lot of harder left ideas, made the ideas more mainstream, which is a sign of a good leader,

00:19:17.860 regardless of if you agree with those policies or not. It's not moving to the center, but moving

00:19:21.860 the center to whichever side you're at. And I think she succeeded somewhat in doing that on

00:19:26.660 only certain issues but at the same time I think even more this is not I think

00:19:36.320 focused enough on by the commentary it is that she united the left I mean you

00:19:44.240 know Daniel Smith got what was it was about 50% 51% of the vote in almost any

00:19:50.840 jurisdiction in Canada that gets you a ridiculously big majority government

00:19:56.400 there's a multi-party system. This would have been, under any other conservative premier,

00:20:01.680 one of the biggest majorities in Alberta history. But in fact it's not a huge, it's not a big big

00:20:07.040 majority. It's a comfortable but not a big majority because Notley completely eliminated

00:20:12.880 her competitors on the left and the center left. That began with the Liberals and the Liberals were

00:20:18.560 removing themselves from the political gene pool long before Notley came along.

00:20:22.400 She benefited from their own terminal decline, but then she sped that up, brought it along, and then in the last cycle, eliminated the Alberta Party, which, despite all its claims, was a center-left political party. 0.83

00:20:34.180 So she united the left without any mergers or whatnot.

00:20:37.020 She just proved to be the stronger horse in Darwinian terms. 0.99

00:20:43.540 It was survival of the fittest, and the others were just too weak.

00:20:47.520 What do you think were the main things responsible for Notley being able to both win power in 2015, but then also position the NDP as a permanent and strong contender for power?

00:21:01.960 It's just because of her leadership.

00:21:05.300 She is so far and above the rest of the party.

00:21:09.620 You know, like there's Rachel Notley and then, OK, who else is an NDP star in Alberta?

00:21:14.160 There's really there's really nobody.

00:21:15.980 And you sort of see that already by the sort of lack of no name candidates that people really don't know. So her force of personality was so strong, she was able to will it, you know, and get her way through that.

00:21:33.620 But you know what? A lot of people say it was a fluke one-time election, and people were not voting for the NDP. They were voting against the arrogance of the Progressive Conservative Party, and they would have voted in the Rhinoceros Party if they were on the thing.

00:21:49.660 And the NDP got lucky.

00:21:52.620 I don't think it's luck that she's taken it now to where it is.

00:21:58.780 And it is basically, as Derek says, a two-party battle in Alberta now between the UCP and the NDP.

00:22:05.820 I think there's one other key component in her success,

00:22:09.180 and that is the undiluted support that she receives from the trade union movement

00:22:15.440 and the Alberta Teachers Association.

00:22:18.240 I mean, there are some good personal linkages with both of those organizations.

00:22:23.000 Both of them, I think, took the view, here's somebody who actually might be able to do it.

00:22:27.260 We'll put our force behind them.

00:22:29.240 They didn't feel that way about her predecessors.

00:22:32.420 And I think you touched on this importantly.

00:22:34.620 I think it's maybe the possibly the single biggest factor in her success and near successes was her opposition.

00:22:43.600 In 2015, she faced the perfect storm.

00:22:46.780 All the planets in the universe lined up. You had the PCs just absolutely begging to be taken behind the shed and shot.

00:22:57.140 And you had the Wild Rose, which had gone through an unprecedented moment in the history of Westminster democracies where then Wild Rose leader Daniel Smith, two thirds of the opposition, crossed the floor, killed themselves.

00:23:09.180 The Wild Rose was in bizarre chaos. Its leader at the time Brian Jean was on the job less than

00:23:15.900 a week when the election was called, was not ready for that kind of profile at the time.

00:23:21.580 She had a perfect storm and managed to come out and she handled it well. She took she capitalized

00:23:26.860 on it but she had a perfect storm. In 2019 I don't think she could have won. People wanted her gone 0.85

00:23:33.020 and they were going to vote for the conservatives no matter what. If Jason Kenney had stayed around

00:23:37.020 though she would have had her opposition doing her work for him again I think it's very difficult

00:23:42.300 to see how she she could have won this last election if the conservatives had not made the

00:23:47.420 leadership changes they they had so a bit heartbreaking for her she had spent four years

00:23:53.100 preparing the NDP leading the polls leading fundraising she looked like she was going back

00:23:58.460 to the premier's chair just this year until I guess technically last year until uh until the

00:24:05.340 the Conservatives finally made some changes. So she could have very well come back. So

00:24:09.600 she might have two losses in a row under her belt there, but it was a closer thing than I think some

00:24:15.240 people remember. Let's turn towards what comes next for the NDP. We've talked a bit about this

00:24:20.740 in the past. Start with you, Dave, on who do you think the main contenders are going to be? And

00:24:27.260 then maybe who some of the, well, maybe not main contenders, but people who are going to throw

00:24:32.260 their hat in and provide some entertainment. See what happens. I was talking to a top NDP 0.72

00:24:37.640 source today and here's the rundown he gave me. He says it's no doubt Ganley is going to win.

00:24:44.720 No doubt she'll win? She'll win. Really? He says the, oh sorry I shouldn't identify the source

00:24:49.800 by sex. They say. It's NDP. NDP. She does not mean he necessarily and she does not mean she

00:24:57.940 necessarily. The source says Ganley's got large support already from caucus, and more importantly,

00:25:04.720 caucus members who were in the cabinet when they were in power. Shannon Phillips, he predicts,

00:25:10.840 is not running. David Shepard, a well-respected within the party, Edmonton MLA, is running,

00:25:18.680 according to the source. Sadly, Gil McGowan is not running. Sadly, because we would have loved

00:25:26.220 to have run the picture of him giving us the finger in every single story and involving.

00:25:31.880 I'm going to have to write Gil. You know what? Gil, if you're watching right now, if you run,

00:25:38.120 I will take out a membership and I will vote for you, just for you. So what the source says is

00:25:43.100 the kingpins in the last leadership race was a family called the O'Halloran family in Edmonton,

00:25:50.880 very key NDP, strong union supporters. They have not yet publicly announced who they are going to

00:25:59.320 support, but the source says they will announce that it will be Ganley. And when you get the

00:26:05.260 O'Halloran support, then you get the union phone bank that comes along with it. Then all of a

00:26:10.880 sudden, you've got a dozen, two dozen people manning the phones to round up signatures for

00:26:17.140 So it's going to be, you know, there may be some people that come out of the cracks.

00:26:21.780 I think, Nigel, you were talking about David Egan maybe earlier on today.

00:26:27.640 Will a federal, you know, will somebody from the federal party come back and take a run?

00:26:35.200 You know, so it's going to be interesting, but I think right now it's Ganley's to lose.

00:26:40.380 Well, Nigel, I think Ganley is going to be a major contender and very well could win.

00:26:45.160 I'm I'm not at the point where I think it's it's hers to lose, but I think she's a strong contender and if I was a new democrat just from a win ability perspective, I think she'd be good to go with she's she's intelligent she's well spoken.

00:26:59.160 I think she probably has some work to do in the charisma department, but that can be worked on. And actually her charisma has actually improved a hell of a lot since she was first elected and became justice minister.

00:27:14.660 So she's grown a lot as a as a retail politician. But I think we're also going to see Sarah Hoffman in there. 0.98

00:27:21.080 She was deputy premier and health minister under under Notley, still a key right hand woman of Notley and since their time in government and a few others.

00:27:33.280 Who do you think, other than Gantley, who do you think will be the big main contenders?

00:27:36.660 So, well, certainly Sarah Hoffman, she was deputy premier for a while.

00:27:43.580 She was a former teacher, and that's like being a minor or a railway locomotive driver in the old British Labour Party.

00:27:51.740 You know, this is your core stocks over the NDP, a civil servant or a teacher.

00:27:56.780 That gives you immense credibility.

00:27:58.940 And by the way, to your point about Kathleen Ganley's charisma, none of the people who she is going to be running against are going to exceed her in charisma.

00:28:10.760 That's true.

00:28:11.100 This is not, like Rachel Notley, love her or not?

00:28:15.160 Rachel Notley was worth watching.

00:28:18.900 These people are not, you know, they're a great crowd.

00:28:24.740 And so one of the names that's been floated is Rod Loyola.

00:28:29.700 He tried in 2014 and got nowhere.

00:28:32.540 I think he came in with 2% of the vote.

00:28:35.680 He technically ran against Notley and David Egan.

00:28:38.640 That's right.

00:28:39.800 Is he our communist friend?

00:28:41.400 That's our communist friend.

00:28:42.700 He's the Hugo Chavez communist.

00:28:44.640 They're still talking about him as a possibility.

00:28:47.840 I can't see it.

00:28:49.100 I think the communist connection would be perceived...

00:28:51.460 I'm happy to stop calling him a communist if he will denounce communism.

00:28:54.460 But he has not denounced communism.

00:28:56.080 He has not.

00:28:56.920 And I think this would take you back into the world of the weird and the wacky, which the NDP got away from.

00:29:03.220 So I can't see that happening.

00:29:04.580 But he is out there.

00:29:05.880 Here are the top six picks and so forth.

00:29:09.860 Ron Loyola, Sarah Hoffman, and there is a...

00:29:15.320 Janice Irwin.

00:29:16.300 Janice Irwin.

00:29:17.200 We can see her run. 0.85

00:29:18.920 She won't win, but I think she could run. 1.00

00:29:21.620 It would be an interesting race, indeed.

00:29:24.420 There's a lawyer up in Edmonton by the name of Raki Pancholi who's...

00:29:30.420 Yeah, I hear that name a lot.

00:29:33.420 Why she would have a special in, I don't know, but she keeps coming up in the conversation, but I'm not aware of anything particular that she's done.

00:29:44.420 Well, she didn't serve... she's one of their rare stars among NDPs, New Democrats, who they consider a star.

00:29:51.420 She's considered a star. I think she's the only major one who did not serve in the ADP government of 2015 to 2019. So she came after. She's young, telegenic woman, I think fairly well spoken. I don't really know much about her politics. Again, she didn't serve as a minister. So we didn't really get much of substance. You know, she's in opposition, not government. But I think she's expected to be a major contender and one who could possibly win.

00:30:17.540 So one of the other things, this is coming back to what Dave was saying about the O'Halloran connection and the gift that you get if you receive that particular thumbprint of approval with the phone banks and everything.

00:30:30.680 The way the vote is set up is that 75%, the membership vote counts for 75% and it's so weighted.

00:30:43.040 The other 25% goes to the people you don't hear so much about, the institutional supporters of the NDP.

00:30:52.780 So when you said O'Harran and you pointed that out, yes, if you get the unions and the ATA working for you,

00:31:00.220 and that's that 25%, if you can win them over, you are in a much, much stronger position.

00:31:07.020 You know, Nigel, this gets me thinking, and maybe you should put someone on this.

00:31:10.600 We need to figure out how the actual voting in the NDP works, because it's not like most political parties with some version of one member, one vote.

00:31:19.540 They have that for that 75 percent, but then there's the 25 percent there, largely from unions.

00:31:25.040 And does this mean someone could vote twice?

00:31:26.820 Like if you're a member of a union, you get to vote through your union for the NDP leader.

00:31:30.800 Then you could also take out an individual membership and vote for a leader.

00:31:34.660 I don't know.

00:31:35.740 I don't know. I'd be misleading viewers if I claimed to.

00:31:39.580 Well, it's a Byzantine system that I think very few people, including myself, understand.

00:31:45.340 So maybe that's a good opinion piece for you to commission.

00:31:48.160 Including many NDP supporters, I would venture.

00:31:51.000 Yeah.

00:31:51.560 You know?

00:31:52.040 I think that might be a good column for you to commission.

00:31:55.660 And let's figure out, how the hell does the voting work?

00:31:58.500 And is it possible to vote twice, once on the union side, once on the more direct party side?

00:32:02.680 I don't know.

00:32:04.480 Yeah, how that influences works.

00:32:05.920 So my question is, will any of the candidates talk to us?

00:32:10.340 Will Rachel Notley's ban on talking to Western Standard reporters remain in effect or come off?

00:32:17.020 Depends what we're asking.

00:32:17.820 Well, I was at the legislature a few months ago, and I got a bunch of little handwritten notes during question period from the NDP.

00:32:23.880 So they were talking to me that way, including from some expected leadership candidates.

00:32:29.480 So we'll see.

00:32:30.700 Maybe they're done sulking, and we'll talk to the Standard again.

00:32:35.300 We'll see.

00:32:35.580 So the house monitor didn't come along, see what was going on, slap their hand and take the paper away?

00:32:41.540 It's a weird thing.

00:32:43.120 Even though, you know, we all have phones and stuff for texting.

00:32:47.160 The old tradition that, you know, you could write a little note and on a little page, you know, a 12 or 15 year old will move it around to someone in the gallery, other MLAs.

00:32:56.260 There's still a lot of that.

00:32:57.420 And even when I was there for four years, I did it too.

00:33:01.340 I don't know why.

00:33:02.180 I don't know why, but we like to do it.

00:33:03.760 Because you can.

00:33:04.320 Because I can.

00:33:05.040 because someone's going to carry my note. And furthermore, it's not searchable on the

00:33:09.200 freedom of information because it disappears as soon as you read it. Well, I mean, they were

00:33:14.480 sending it to me. I could have done whatever I wanted with it. But yeah, I wouldn't. Anyway.

00:33:20.240 Okay, well, let's turn to one of our favorite perennial topics here, Jordan Peterson.

00:33:27.280 Jordan Peterson, you know, a few years ago, said some mean things on Twitter, some people did not like and some someone or several people complained about him to the College of People Who Deal With Your Head stuff.

00:33:47.780 Psychologists.

00:33:48.420 and some of the things that they're upset about is that he said some mean things about Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, among other things.

00:33:59.420 None of these people were his patients, or I believe even former patients,

00:34:03.420 but nonetheless the College of Shrinks orders that Peterson has to attend social media sensitivity training, something of the like.

00:34:13.420 And this is Jordan Peterson, he says, well, bollocks that, I'm not doing it, takes it to court, loses, appeals it to another higher court, and has now lost there too. I think that was yesterday, right?

00:34:29.420 Yes. So it seems he's got really two options. One, one day of his resign from the college and just not practice. And I don't think he's actually really practicing much anymore. He makes infinitely more money selling books and doing shows and talks and things like that.

00:34:52.420 as a largely global celebrity at this point, or the alternative might be that he goes to it and probably makes a mockery of it in some form, says, okay, I'm going to go here, but so you know, I'm going to set my phone up in the corner and we're going to record what kind of weird 1984 reeducation this is.

00:35:16.420 Or he could appeal it.

00:35:18.420 I don't know.

00:35:19.420 Is there any further?

00:35:20.420 Surely you can go to the Supreme Court.

00:35:22.420 If they would hear it.

00:35:24.420 The Supreme Court is highly unlikely to hear a case like this.

00:35:27.420 But I mean, if they would essentially have to, his lawyers would have to prove that there is a charter or constitutional issue at stake here, which maybe there is.

00:35:38.420 But it would have to be on kind of precedent sending ground.

00:35:41.420 I think he'll keep it alive.

00:35:43.420 I think he'll try and keep the story alive as long as he can.

00:35:46.420 And as you say, maybe go and take it. All right.

00:35:49.420 This is how stupid it is. 1.00

00:35:51.420 And it's as stupid as you ordering Corey Morgan and I to take sensitivity training. 1.00

00:35:55.420 Well, if anybody needs sensitivity training, it's you and Corey. 1.00

00:35:57.420 Exactly. I'm the first to admit it, but it won't do me any good.

00:36:00.420 And I will go along to it and I will mock it, which is what obviously what Jordan's going to do.

00:36:07.420 And you're right. He is now a global superstar.

00:36:12.300 You know, he's on Piers Morgan in Great Britain every other week.

00:36:16.360 He's making loads of dough.

00:36:18.080 So he's just sitting there laughing at this.

00:36:19.980 It's the old adage that no publicity is bad publicity.

00:36:23.620 And he's sitting there, bring it on, and how can I use this to my advantage?

00:36:28.420 What do you think he's going to do?

00:36:29.600 You make him sound a bit of a little self-serving there.

00:36:34.560 No, I think he's a businessman, right?

00:36:36.760 What's best for Jordan Peterson?

00:36:38.440 Perhaps he is.

00:36:39.040 That's also probably what's best in general.

00:36:41.680 Like, he obviously shouldn't just go to it and take it seriously.

00:36:44.440 He should mock it.

00:36:45.420 Absolutely.

00:36:45.860 It is for the public good that he mocks it and he ridicules it, exposes it for what it is.

00:36:51.340 But here is the thing with everything that goes on around Jordan Peterson and his fight with the College of Psychologists.

00:37:00.640 His fight is everybody's fight.

00:37:02.280 Because the colleges of the professions, it doesn't matter whether you're talking about doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, real estate agents even, are all insisting on their members signing on to a particular world view.

00:37:20.220 Right here in Alberta, the law society has demanded that all members of the Alberta Bar go through a course on indigenous affairs.

00:37:36.260 And there is a certain perspective that you are expected to show.

00:37:39.300 If you don't do that, it's called the path.

00:37:42.520 It's called the path.

00:37:43.380 Yes, we've written on it.

00:37:45.000 I mean, there's a number of articles that have come out of this.

00:37:47.560 and Glenn Blackett was our original source on that

00:37:51.660 and excellent material

00:37:53.400 which finally ended up in one of Ted Morton's books

00:37:56.360 by the way, I don't know whether you knew that

00:37:58.040 it's textbook quality

00:38:01.180 and some of the stuff that's coming out

00:38:02.500 in the Western Standard

00:38:04.600 anyway, point is

00:38:07.160 you lose your license

00:38:08.820 if you don't fill in the dots

00:38:12.100 and this is finding its way

00:38:14.120 City Hall is rife with it

00:38:15.740 Even institutions such as the ATB, Alberta Treasury Branch, are asking their employees, telling their employees to go and take the course.

00:38:27.180 And what happens if you don't take the course?

00:38:29.740 Well, that remains to be seen because there haven't been too many test cases, but probably it's going to be an issue.

00:38:39.280 And certainly, if you look in the literature, you can find lawyers now talking about what could happen.

00:38:46.840 I had something to pick up Levet, who writes in the National Post, and he just says,

00:38:54.820 some employees may wonder, can my employer force me to attend these workshops?

00:38:58.640 What happens if I refuse?

00:39:00.160 Well, the answer to the first question is they can't force you.

00:39:03.660 The second question, the answer to the second question, is that actually an employer can terminate an employee for any reason, if they give them enough severance.

00:39:12.140 And if you refuse the instruction to go to one of these things, that might be cause and they wouldn't even have to pay severance.

00:39:17.840 It's like a vaccine mandate in a way.

00:39:20.380 You don't have to take it, but if you don't take it, you're going to get tired.

00:39:23.600 It's crazy talk around here.

00:39:24.560 It immunizes you against conservatives and racism.

00:39:28.340 So, you know, the thing is, everybody gets scared.

00:39:31.860 They say, well, look what they did to Jordan Peterson.

00:39:33.300 and I don't want that to happen to me.

00:39:35.340 So if they can pin this on him and make it stick,

00:39:39.120 and he actually loses his license to practice,

00:39:42.200 well, there's the test case.

00:39:43.660 If the most effective, articulate exponent

00:39:46.940 of the counterpoint of view gets axed,

00:39:51.800 well, what's going to happen to somebody

00:39:53.480 who's just a regular psychologist,

00:39:56.120 regular doctor, regular teacher,

00:39:58.760 regular anybody who bucks the system?

00:40:02.280 Well, they get fired, just like Jordan Peterson, who was 10 times as good at putting their case.

00:40:08.840 So there's a lot of drive at the top level to chill Canadians.

00:40:16.880 And that's why Peterson says it's no longer a free country, which is what he said in the article that we printed.

00:40:23.480 I think we've seen it being a free country quite some time ago.

00:40:27.300 I don't think it's a new thing, but it's yet another nail in the coffin.

00:40:30.840 I mean, it's not an uncomfortable country.

00:40:32.680 You go to the stores, there's stuff to buy, and sometimes you can afford it,

00:40:35.920 and you get to drive your car to Banff on the weekend if you want.

00:40:38.900 So far, it might not last.

00:40:40.140 Well, they're trying to take that away.

00:40:42.440 But, you know, it's a comfortable country.

00:40:44.800 But call it the best billet in the barracks, if you like.

00:40:48.520 But it is a barracks.

00:40:49.660 You know, the differences between this country and Hungary in the 1960s

00:40:56.320 are ones of degree, not of kind.

00:41:00.480 And this has developed in the last eight years.

00:41:03.720 All right.

00:41:04.160 Well, I think we'll wrap it up there.

00:41:06.540 I am depressed now.

00:41:07.980 Yeah, we'll end it on that high note.

00:41:09.660 Yeah.

00:41:10.500 All right.

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The Pipeline： Jordan Peterson headed to sensitivity training

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