The Pipeline： July 14, 2021
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Join Western Standard news editor Dave Naylor, editor-in-chief Derek Felderbrandt, and Calgary Stampede columnist Corey Morgan as they discuss the new leader of the Wild Rose Independence Party of Alberta, Paul Hinman. They also discuss Canada's embarrassing loss to Italy in the World Cup, and the lack of a candidate on the party's ballot.
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Hi, I'm Derek Felderbrandt, publisher of The Western Standard.
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You're joining us today on The Pipeline on July 14th, 2021.
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I'm with Western Standard news editor Dave Naylor today,
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who is still sulking from their humiliating loss to Italy.
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Yeah, we don't even worry about the French anymore.
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And, of course, joined by Corey Morgan, host of The Corey Morgan Show and Alberta political
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supporting great causes. Well, let's jump into what we've got on the show today. We're going to
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be talking about Paul Hinman, new leader of the Wild Rose, lots of politics going on around the
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Calgary Stampede. We'll be talking about that. And of course, we're going to talk about John
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Carpe stepping aside as president of the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights. But we're going to
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again with Paul Hinman, leader of the Wild Rose Independence of Alberta, a party of Alberta now
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official. Dave, why don't you give us the rundown? Actually, as you know, Derek, this is the second
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time Paul has led a Wild Rose party. He was one of the leaders of the old Wild Rose. He was the
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first leader of the old Wild Rose. Yeah, back in those days. So he ran as leadership for the Wild
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Rose Independence party. And obviously it was one of the most, actually probably one of the most
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boring races in history. He was the only candidate. And because of COVID, you know,
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he really couldn't get out and campaign much. But, you know, they had the forums and all that
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sort of stuff. And the vote was over the last two days. And Tuesday night, it was announced he had
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92% of members who voted support. So certainly an overwhelming mandate. I talked to him before
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the votes were counted uh he says the plan now is to to hit the road get out and start meeting
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albertans and having town halls where people can actually go and see them and talk to them and uh
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you know they're doing well in the polls and uh that's really without even doing any social media
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or any any campaign whatsoever so i think he's stepping into a good position there do we know
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how many people voted in the leadership i want to say 1600 but don't quote me on that i wouldn't
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imagine very high turnout when there's one candidate on the ballot um but i think right
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now they're sitting around 10 000 members overall so it's a pretty low turnout but i mean it's hard
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to motivate yourself to vote uh yes or no to something um i i guess just a few few areas we'll
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we'll stab at this before we get into paul itself let's talk about the race or lack thereof uh
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corey do you think it was kind of a missed opportunity for the party not to have a more
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combative race with you know more than one candidate or do you think this is a better
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position that he comes out of it unbruised no i i personally think a race would have been better i
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mean races can have pitfalls you get some lunatic candidates you get some infighting they can be
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divisive there's totally hazards to come with a leadership race if it's run poorly or you've got
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the wrong people but they're also a huge opportunity i mean a good competitive leadership race you get
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these candidates pounding the pavement they're selling memberships they're interacting with
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people they're making news they're bringing it into the scroll of course that didn't happen as
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you said it's the well i'd say the second most boring leadership race in alberta because the
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alberta party said theirs going for a month and some they don't they don't have any candidates
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so uh you know the wild rose party has one more candidate than the alberta party they have 100
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more candidates that's right yeah so i i mean it's it's good that they're coming out of this
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they can go straight to work and paul certainly is a ground worker but i i think they would have
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have done much better to have a good competitive couple of months of campaigning race, you know.
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I think the biggest, I think there probably were going to be a few candidates, but they put this
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ridiculously high entry fee to entering the race. It's $30,000. It's not unusual to have an entry
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fee into a leadership race, but $30,000, I forget exactly how much it was in 2015, Wildrose race,
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but that was when Brian Jean won. The party was in terrible shape, but still it was technically
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still the official opposition the media had written it off its opponents had written it off
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some of its own members had written it off but at least it still had a couple seats in the
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legislature it was official opposition i mean it was it was at least some kind of a prize to be had
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and i don't think it was even thirty thousand dollars that thirty thousand dollars is a massive
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entry fee and i think that was probably the single biggest barrier to people getting in well that's
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obviously to keep the lunatics out and you know look at the calgary merrill merrill race i mean
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That's just overrun now, and I think they're up to, what, 15 or 16 candidates, and yeah,
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So I agree with you, Derek, $30,000 is way too much, but the $100 is ...
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Where you find the balance of these things, I don't know.
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$10,000 will keep a lot of kooks off a ballot, but I think it's probably more reasonable.
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And UCP was something like, I don't know, something like that.
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It was, but I mean, that was a case of where you pretty much knew the winner of that race
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So people were willing to invest some money and take a gamble.
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As you said, even the old Wild Rose Party, they were the official opposition.
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This is a new entity or, you know, in a sense, and there's just, you're not gambling on an
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There you got to be leader of the official opposition, probably got to be premier, but
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I've been involved in the negotiations that between the Wildrose and PCs that had created
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the UCP, that those negotiations were structured to have two real candidates on the ballot,
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And they had a $50,000 entry fee very specifically, not just to keep kooks out, but to keep everyone
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At the end of the day, only one other got on the ballot.
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You know, I understand setting a bar to keep the lunatic. So it's just hard to find that.
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I think 10,000 is reasonable. You know, I mean, your average person that you're not just going
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to throw that away on a whim. I mean, maybe some of that case will, but that's where you have a
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leadership committee too. I mean, if somebody's spending 10,000 just to troll a party and it's
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clear that that's the case, you can still have a leadership committee say, no, you know what?
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We don't believe you're in this best interests of the party and we won't let you go.
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Yeah. But this was an acclimation, which I say, I feel wasn't, didn't serve the party well in the
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i mean i think paul's great he'll do a great job but that just wasn't the it might be the best way
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to get there yeah i think it was a missed opportunity yeah i i don't i i know for sure
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i know i could say matter of factly there were some other fairly credible candidates looking to
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run but um 30 000 remember that's three thousand dollars to get your name on the belt that's not
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thirty thousand dollars for campaign funding you have to raise that beyond it so uh and significantly
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more expensive if you actually had a contested campaign in this case him then really had to
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to raise the $30,000, and that was it, because he was only God. But I guess let's talk about Paul
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himself and what this means for the Wild Rose and the broader political landscape. You know,
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as you said, Dave, this is the second party with Wild Rose in its name that he's led. He led the
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Wild Rose Alliance as its founding leader. Wes created also a merger of two smaller parties on
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the right, the Alberta Alliance and the Wild Rose Party. He became the first leader. He eventually
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stepped aside for Daniel Smith to become the leader, but he still, even after he was stepping
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aside, he won a by-election in Calgary that really shocked Alberta and catapulted the
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Wild Rose from not being taken seriously at all right to the forefront. But he's coming
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into this at a different, at a time when Wild Rose is starting to get noticed by the mainstream
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media. I mean, it's hitting 20% in polls, which is credible. I don't know if it'll continue
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to grow or can proceed a bit if people's anger has boiled down a bit from the end of lockdowns.
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What do you think polls election means for the party itself in the broader political landscape?
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Well, I think a more experienced person, as you said, he's been around the block
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several times. Our exclusive Main Street poll has him as high as 20% in the province.
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No, no, that was Angus Reid. Ours had him at 17th.
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Oh, okay. Well, we'll believe ours over here. But our pollster, Akito Maggie, said there's
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more than enough support there to get MLAs. So once he gets his foot into the door, he knows
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how things operate. He knows the legislature system and whatever sort of number of seats he
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has, he knows how to manipulate them in the best way possible. So what you could see in the future
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is uh you know not necessarily beyond the realms of possibility is a you know an ndp minority
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government and then the ucp and the wild rose and the oppositions having to deal with each other
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well if it's a minority government even if the ndp has the most people got to understand
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the party with the most seats if they don't have a majority are not necessarily the government
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that's not the way or so then this is kind of something people don't understand anymore after
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the whole you know when steven harper had a minority government and there's this coalition
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that came up to try and overtake them uh it may have been dirty but what they were doing was not
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unconstitutional by any stretch and so canadians i think that warped the opinions of a lot of
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canadians about how our system works uh you could have like look at christy clarkton bc she was one
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seat shy of a majority she had the most seats uh but she didn't get to form government because the
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two smaller parties the ndp and the greens got together you could see something conceivably like
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that in alberta where uh because right now clearly the ndp would win the most seats in alberta but
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I'm not convinced it's a majority government because they're so concentrated in Edmonton and kind of the inner city parts of Calgary.
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So it'd be hard to see them winning seats outside of big cities other than maybe the two Loughbridge seats, maximum one other.
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So we could see a minority where Wildrose would hold the balance of power.
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But as it is right now, Wildrose is anywhere near 20%.
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It seems impossible that the Conservatives can win a majority.
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And certainly Jason Kenney is hoping COVID goes away and people forget about it.
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And I'm sure one of the things that Paul will be mentioning wherever he goes is, don't forget, Kenney did this to you.
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He's been advocating against the lockdown since day one.
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We just don't want to keep the comments up as long, especially if they're long comments
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And that's kind of a note to those of you commenting.
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If you want your comments to be shown on the screen, please keep them short because if
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This is why we're looking a little better than we normally do, even Corey looks more
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I thought I looked better when I had a bit of blur.
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So we're not disappearing into the green screen anymore and stuff like that.
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Yeah, I mean, it's where does Paul take the party from here?
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So, you know, it's the first step is to get up and the people know who he is because the average, you know, I couldn't pick out of the police on it because he's been away from public sight as, as, as, you know, most of the, most of the people during COVID.
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he'll know exactly what to do. It won't take him long to get his name known.
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And because of the, you know, we were the only media when we did polling to specifically get
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Wildrose support. All the other media just clumped him in with others. And you get this,
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you know, this other bar that nobody knew what it was.
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Yeah. So I want to ask you about that, Corey. For the longest time, yeah, the other media,
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and they would pull they put into other and other would be like almost tied with the ucp i mean
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it's growing and growing you think at some point you're gonna say what is this yeah but they didn't
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want to look yeah yeah it was bizarre i mean if other gets above five percent you're you're
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supposed to look at that okay so above something above five percent that probably got some kind
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of significance and you know i mean all the other polls other would be like 20 or 25 something huge
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and they would just they refused to look at it and you have to wonder why uh we'd pull and ask
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about wild rose and we'd like we know what the other is this is what it is we're pulling all
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these other smaller options this is the one that's standing out here um so they're sitting at between
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17 and 20 percent right now the polls uh ours and main street at 17 and then about two weeks later
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angus breed out of the 20. um but things have you know alberta is pretty much completely reopened
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and now borders are still closed and things like that,
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that this is going to really take the steam out of Wild Rose,
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or are these voters lost to Kenny at this point?
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I mean, one of the things he's got to keep in mind with Paul, too,
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He's not one of the ones that you'll see front and center
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and firing brimstone and making the great quotes,
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and he's already saying he's going to hit those constituencies.
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He's going to get that campaign machine going, which you need when the time comes.
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And that's why he keeps getting underestimated because where did this guy come from?
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Well, he built a foundation there that came in and whipped you and you weren't paying attention to it.
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He didn't pay attention to these guys and Paul was working it for some time and building that up out there.
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But the thing is with Kenny, this is the Wildrose Independence Party.
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And we're going into a federal campaign probably this fall that's going to be very divisive.
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And from all accounts and all appearances, we might get a liberal majority out of this.
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And Kenny has been notoriously weak in dealing with Ottawa.
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And, I mean, he's making no bones about where he's going.
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He's moving towards getting a police force, getting the pension plan.
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and that's what's grabbing solid, dedicated supporters.
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So Kenny's really got to up his pro-Alberta game.
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He's got the COVID thing handled, and it seems to have worked out well,
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But that independent thing is going to bite him in the ass
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if he doesn't figure out how to consolidate it.
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Right now, you can see I'm not my regular suit and tie here.
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I know some of you don't want to go because it's not perfect.
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But I say don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
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It's just great to see people out and living, breathing the free air now.
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And, you know, this is kind of the place where every politician likes to come to.
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Justin Trudeau visited Calgary, but right before Stampede started.
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I don't think he's actually going to Stampede because that would not send the right virtues.
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I don't think Jake needs – some people can forgive me, correct me if I'm wrong,
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but I don't know if Jake Bixian has ever been to Calgary Stampede.
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He might be the only national partier who's not from the bloc at a quad to do that.
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I'm pretty sure the bloc leaders visit Calgary Stampede more often.
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I think it's time for Alberta to get right behind those guys.
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But at least on the provincial level, it is full campaign season.
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Dave, why don't you tell us what's going on with the political groundscape here?
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As you mentioned, Derek, the prime minister touched down for a few hours the day before the kickoff.
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Conservative leader Erin O'Toole popped into town for a press conference before heading west.
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He's walking around with the biggest grin on his face in Calgary.
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He's going to the Premier's Stampede breakfast.
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Hey, even NDP leader Rachel Notley, who questioned way back in May,
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said the Stampede probably shouldn't go ahead because it's going to be a super spreader event.
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She wasted no time in getting down here and holding a big party. She'll be around town
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all week, various functions. She is super spreading everywhere. Yes. So it's just an
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event that politicians cannot miss. And, you know, the people come to them. The people will go
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and to get a free pancake and sausage at the community constituency offices and all that sort
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of stuff. So I don't think there's a better time than Stampede Week for politicians to actually
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get out and meet Albertans. And of course, there's Albertans from across the province here
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coming down for the rodeo and the stampede. So it's a must-tend event for politicians.
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Well, this rodeo is just not as fun as Bojan because, you know, just when something's
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I mean, when I was in high school, I used to smoke pot, it's not fun anymore.
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I feel like illegal rodeo is so much more than the legal variety.
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It takes some of the thrill out of the whole thing.
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At least we get to see, you know, Rachel getting out there and I bet you she's thrilling in
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You know, knowing that you went out there and said that anybody going to the Stampede is going to put people at risk.
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Anybody going to the Stampede is going to be a super spreader and is going to kill people.
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And now she's out there shaking hands, smiling, talking to people and doing everything that she said two months ago was inhuman.
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So, you know, there's going to be a bit of a thrill in the doing something so out of sorts, I guess.
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So yesterday, you know, every politician around is having their stampede breakfasts or barbecues.
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Well, not only breakfast, because it's cheaper to put on.
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They were not Calgary politicians, but they had their breakfast anyway.
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Drew Barnes and Todd Lowen, the two UCP MLAs, originally elected to Wildrose,
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who were thrown out of the UCP caucus by Jason Kenney.
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Todd Lowen, because he said Kenney should resign, and Drew Barnes, because he doesn't like Drew Barnes.
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um they had a they had a stampede breakfast yesterday uh there was quite a fairly pretty
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big turnout there um brine gene showing out with kind of a cheshire cat smile on his face
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um there were um so you know we we had someone there there were quite a few wild rosers there
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from the from the original wild rose they were there fairly large numbers uh what do you think
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those two are up to having an event in Calgary so far from their constituencies you know I don't
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know if they've got anything formal on the go but they're definitely thinking I mean it's something
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that's got to keep Kenny nervous I mean these guys are working together uh Brian Jean whether
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he's interested in putting his you know foot back into the ring or not it's hard to say because he
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likes poking from the sidelines too uh he likes to just kind of stir things up and troll them but
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when you see those three together in one spot and this was definitely predetermined I mean yeah
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they're not Calgary MLAs. You know, Todd had to drive from Valley View.
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Brangina had to come from Fort Mac. Like these guys converged.
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you're trying to gain Calgary support for some reason.
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If you're trying to gain Calgary support for some reason, what are you up to?
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But it leaves it wide open to speculation then.
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Are they looking to form their own party in caucus?
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Or are they just sitting on the groundwork thinking maybe eventually they go back to UCP?
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I don't know, but it gets us all spanking and wondering about it anyways.
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they're not quietly sitting in the background right now and is it showing more you know the
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merger that i think everybody thinks is the building between the old wild roses and the old
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stories uh and starting to split back up into their own tribes is this uh you know public showing
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them and you know there's certainly the barbecue last night was crowded uh and anybody that was
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there was probably not a fan of the premier at all. Okay, let's deal with, I guess,
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take a little further away from home here. So John Carpe, president of the Justice Centre for
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Constitutional Freedoms, they're based in Calgary, but they've been taking on constitutional cases
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across Canada, really leading the fight in the courts against lockdowns and other restrictions
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that they believe are unreasonable intrusions on constitutional freedoms. They've had some
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successes, some failures, but they do seem to have stepped in it recently. It came to light
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that John Carpe had hired or authorized the hiring of a private investigator to find out if a judge
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judge around Winnipeg who is overseeing the case that they're in right now.
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The judge in Winnipeg is dealing with a case where seven churches in the rural parts of
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Manitoba are taking the gun to court over the lockdowns.
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The judge is overseeing the case, private investigator was hired.
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Dave, why don't you fill in the rest, because I'm not telling the story very well.
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Why don't you tell us exactly what happened and why John Carpe is at least on a leap of
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Well, nobody, John Carpe is being a tireless worker, working probably 24-7 for months on
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His group is swamped, they're desperate for lawyers.
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And I think he was probably, in his case, he was sitting there thinking about Jason Kenney
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and the Sky Palace and those public photos that showed him breaking COVID regulations.
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And I'm just guessing, but probably what went through his mind is if they can catch this
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judge or something like that, then, you know, that's going to be a good stick in their arsenal.
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So they hired a private investigator to follow this judge, and by all accounts, didn't do
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a great job, was easily spotted by the judge the first time.
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They followed him out to his cottage, which I don't know where it is, but if it's a longer
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rural area, it's kind of tough to follow anybody there and not get noticed, but they were quickly
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spotted. The judge obviously realized this is a concern, notified the police, and made
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it public. That same day, John Carpe, the sort of fell on the sword, said he'd made
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a mistake, and the next day he announced he was stepping away as head of the organization.
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The board of directors said they had nothing to do with it.
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He has stepped aside for an unspecified amount of time.
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So, Corey, this has obviously got a lot of the lockdowners jumping for joy.
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I think his critics are fair to say that this was not a good idea.
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This is, you know, not the norms of how we deal with things.
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It's not right to be hiring PIs and spying on people.
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but i gotta we gotta ask is it okay for the government to be spying on people
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i mean canadian governments the feds and the provinces every single province have had police
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and civilian government officials spying on civilians for a year and a half they set up
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snitch lines and encouraged people to spy on their neighbors on people walking down the street their
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friends and their family and report it and snitch it to the government for a year and a half
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The government is spying on us, and now we spy on the government, or we're just spying on the government.
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I don't think two wrongs make a right, but how do you think the JCCF was, how do you think Carpe and the JCCF were squaring this in their minds?
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Yeah, I mean, it was clear, and I think if anybody knows more than anybody right now that that was a terrible lapse of judgment, it's John.
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I mean, you know, hindsight, maybe I can't explain.
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and we know John's a smart guy, a dedicated guy, and to, of all people to follow, you know,
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a judge in an inactive case, I mean, the optics of it and what it sets as a precedent is, you know,
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can be read into very terribly. I think what he had in mind, though, as Dave was pointing out
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at the Sky Palace, if it had been anybody other than the judge, the stuff you'd get elected
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officials who are demonstrating hypocrisy, if you can get health officials demonstrating
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hypocrisy, the people who are telling you, because it does help invalidate the law. If
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you've got the person saying, this is the law, but it doesn't apply to me, that is something
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you'd even almost bring up in a courthouse to say, look, how can we call this a valid law when
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the people who implement it aren't following it? Though I think perhaps he should have been
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watching legislators rather than the judiciary in that case. And I'm certain he's reevaluating
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that decision. And it's too bad because of, as we said, he's done so much great work. That
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organization has been so important for government overstepping its boundary. And the government did
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create that atmosphere of everybody spotting on each other. I mean, I remember Mayor Nietzsche
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going on about call that snitch line if you see your neighbor having you know a strange car parked
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in front of their house or three people in the backyard you call up and get them in there and
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it's turned us into these these karens as the overused term goes to keep moving on each other
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so i mean it was just an extension of more of that same attitude but it really was it was poorly
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conceived and it's really too bad it really is yeah well so he he's not resigned he's not been
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fired by the board um i mean he's large i think he's pretty much built the organization from
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scratch um and it has really come to the fore as probably the most prominent constitutional
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freedoms organization in the country by far i think there's there's also the um canadian
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constitution foundation they used to be the most prominent but i think they've they've been a lot
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less prominent especially during lockdowns perhaps they're more resident uh want to touch this
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There's also things like the BC Civil Liberties Association.
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They're more concerned with burning down churches.
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If we want to speak about legal organizations that lost credibility, those guys, I'm sorry.
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And the board admitted that when they put out their statement.
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So, I mean, come on, we've all had brain farts.
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As long as we admit them, I think most people are given another chance, right?
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And you move on and you learn and you get better.
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I mean, that's an organization with a lot of lawyers with a lot of irons in the fire.
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And with this blowing up, at least John's not that distracted and sidetracked from all the rest of the work they're doing.
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If he was an NHL player, he'd get a three-game suspension.
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Yeah, I think that's, I mean, still my organization.
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But, I mean, if I was a member of that board, I think, you know, brief two, three-week suspension, slap on the wrist, put him back on the ice.
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Because he's a good player that you don't want to bench for long.
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No, he'll come back rested and more focused and with a clear head.
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