The Pipeline - July 28, 2021
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On this episode of the Western Standard Podcast, we are joined by our intrepid reporter, Jackie Conroy, to talk about pepper spray and why it s a controversial issue. We also talk about how we can protect ourselves from pepper spray.
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reporter Jackie Conroy. Thanks for joining us today. Thank you for having me. And as usual, we have our
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Outside of firearms, pepper spray has been an issue.
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I mean, we're not allowed to use firearms to protect ourselves.
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And pepper spray apparently is pretty controversial in use in protecting ourselves as well.
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So, Dave, maybe if you could lay out what this great pepper geek going on is here.
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Well, Justice Minister Casey Maddow has written to the feds.
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And he is asking for women in Alberta to be able to carry pepper spray in case of self-defense.
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There's been an increase, Maddow says, in hate crimes.
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Several well-publicized incidents in Edmonton where marginalized women in Islamic gear have been assaulted.
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There's numerous crimes in Calgary and actually across the province that Jackie's already written on women being attacked.
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Women just generally feeling unsafe, especially in the downtown core.
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So Madhu has said enough's enough, and he wants the feds to not make it illegal anymore to carry this stuff.
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And obviously it's drawn a firestorm of reaction.
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The unofficial provincial opposition in Mayor Nenshi has come out against it,
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saying it's basically an insult to these marginalized women,
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that they're being told that, hey, you know, because of you,
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you know, you should be carrying this sort of stuff.
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Jackie, you did a two-part feature on how women are feeling now.
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i think it's ridiculous frankly that it is illegal at this moment because pepper spray isn't a gun
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pepper spray isn't a knife you can't mortally wound someone to the point that like after an
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encounter with pepper spray they would have lasting effects beyond that short window of
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being incapacitated like it's and i feel that part of the issue is that they're placing pepper spray
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into the exact same category as a gun or a knife it's not even close like i said you can you can
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protect yourself with pepper spray and you can momentarily disarm someone with pepper spray but
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you can't leave lasting damage the only thing that you can do with pepper spray is protect yourself
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from a situation that in alberta i think that we've seen have has been happening a lot lately
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especially to women marginalized groups like and and that's the other thing it's not necessarily
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just women it's people of different races it's people of different sexual orientations it's
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it's a number of vulnerable populations right now that could severely benefit from being able to
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carry a small you know weapon if you can even call it that for self-defense and especially when
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the police have such an issue getting to places in time being able to really protect people outside
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of just a reaction to whatever's happened a lot of times the police get calls and say this did
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happen someone did this to me but a lot of times they're not able to get to the situation
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immediately to help before it does and allowing people to carry pepper spray would really really
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help with that in my opinion i think corey that the effect if you've ever been pepper sprayed the
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effects can be devastating a friend of mine was an opera singer and she was in calgary
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she was being in berlin singing came to calgary was pepper sprayed during the robbery it ruined
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her career she was no longer able to sing a friend of mine went through calgary police service
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recruit class. And one of the things you have to do as a recruit is to get pepper sprayed in the
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face. And she had just come from eye surgery and didn't have to do it. But she says the dressing
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room, you know, just the female officers in the dressing room writhing on the floor, screaming in
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agony, just trying to get it out of their eyes. And the Alberta Association of Police Chiefs wrote
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to madu and said hey hang on a second you know this may be causing more problems and you're
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you're trying to settle you know is it you know could it could we have a like a cloud of pepper
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spray hanging over downtown kelder well i have a i don't think it'll be that big and some of the
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exaggerated discussion over this has been brutal but i have experienced pepper pepper spray i was
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a surveyor in the field for 20 years i mean most of the time we carried firearms but a lot of guys
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carried pepper spray if we were in the back country and things like that in the later years we weren't
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supposed to carry firearms. Most guys did anyway. I had a Robin who was an imbecile during a lunch
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break who sprayed it as a test and he didn't check the wind direction. We both got to enjoy a face
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full of it. It's horrible. It sucks the breath right out of you. You don't feel like you can
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breathe. And that wasn't even a direct shot in the face. And people, I guess, with pre-existing
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conditions, yeah, they could get some longer term harm. So it's not necessarily totally harmless,
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but it's very likely just going to make them very uncomfortable for a bit and they will be
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better later on. But the thing that gets me is people say it'll just be a free-for-all.
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as you said, a cloud of pepper around the city, people are just going to be spraying each other
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left, right, and center. Look, you can already get it. You can go to a hiking store, Canadian
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Tire, wherever. You just say, I'm hiking. I want a can of pepper spray, and they'll sell it to you.
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If criminal-minded people are going to use it criminally, want it to, they can already get it,
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and they'll already be doing it. I mean, why haven't we seen mass pepper sprayings on hiking
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trails from people walking by each other and blasting each other with this stuff?
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Yeah, there's going to be some irresponsible users, but that's the reality with everything.
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And as it was also said, it's not necessarily should be just women or vulnerable people.
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I mean, I'm an ugly, middle-sized, middle-aged man, but there's been times on that LRT we've written about that.
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You know, when we come down to this office, there are some very aggressive, discomforting, addicted people around,
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and I might feel a little more comfortable if I had something like a pepper spray.
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Or what if it became a physical altercation?
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What would be worse, if I beat some addict half to death, or if you've got a face full of pepper spray?
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I mean, it's not necessarily all that bad.
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I think it's an issue worth looking into and examining.
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Do you think, Jackie, it could be a case of where people may be whipping out the pepper spray too quickly?
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You know, if you feel, oh, geez, that guy's looking at me the wrong way and give him a blast.
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You know, I think that's a concern some people have.
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I think for sure it's not necessarily an unfounded risk that you would be taking by allowing the public to carry it.
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But I think that that would be the case with anything.
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like it's legal to carry not a switchblade but a knife i think that's about like three inches worth
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and and that's completely legal and you know we don't necessarily see people you know going around
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with knives trying to get anyone that gives them a dirty look or anything so i do think it's a
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large part of personal judgment but i think a lot of albertans would have that personal judgment to
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use some common sense um i also think cory made a very interesting point because there's there's a
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relative distinction because i attempted to go and actually when the attacks in calgary began get
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myself a little thing of pepper spray or whatever they would sell me i was curious what they would
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sell me because i was reading online that pepper spray was illegal but that you could go to canadian
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tire or cabela's or whatever and get something and they will sell you it's coyote spray so like
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coyote dog spray sort of thing and that's what i actually carry on my key chain right now i live
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near fish creek and go jogging so nothing nothing bad but um i think it would be an interesting
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distinction if they actually did legalize the pepper spray as a bit of a step up from that dog
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spray and potentially maybe the police chief is right maybe we should see what we can do with the
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tools that are disposable already with with dog spray with coyote spray with things like that
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that aren't quite as potent as pepper spray but still a solid shot to the face will get you get
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I wouldn't put anything beyond them. I mean the thing that people can't forget is
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illegally using pepper spray against somebody using it indiscriminately would
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an assault with a weapon. I mean if you're not utilizing it in the case of
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self-defense you are putting yourself at criminal risk
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whether it's a baseball bat or a rock from the ground that you picked up if you're in a fight,
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if you don't have a reason to utilize that with somebody, it's still very illegal and would remain so.
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It's just that you'd be allowed to actually carry that in the interim.
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But the political football with this has been interesting, of course.
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He won't stuff his beautiful face in front of a camera for these days for some reason.
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And then, of course, that goes up to the federal level because this is federal legislation.
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What sort of jurisdictional battles we got, Dave?
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Well, as I said earlier, I think Rachel Notley is in a battle
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as to who's the official opposition leader in Alberta.
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Mayor Nenshi, obviously, has said he's not running again
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But he just seems to, yeah, everything the province announces,
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is that Mayor Nenshi has to jump in front and slam it.
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Well, and the other thing, I mean, you can attest to,
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the thing that Nenshi and others aren't explaining,
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while there have been attacks against some minorities,
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if somebody larger than yourself has decided to do something untowards.
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It sounds bad, but I've been told by multiple police sources,
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you cower if you cannot stay in a well-lit, well-populated area.
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I think we talked about this the other day, actually,
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You're basically asked to sit there and wait for help
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because you, the citizen, are not impaired to do anything
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because it can always be brought back onto you so i i think that entire culture is kind of stemming
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a lot from this pepper spray debate but i believe that that might be at the root of the issue why
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aren't we allowing albertans and canadians to defend themselves why are we asking them to wait
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to get help from people who may or may not come you might remember the eddie maurice case and
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things such as that i mean the police very jealously protect what they feel is their
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sole monopoly on on protecting people from criminals i you know uh they really do get
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quite upset when we take means into our own hands to protect ourselves but when they can't reasonably
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do so again it comes to that question what are we supposed to do i mean i live rurally am i
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supposed to it's 40 minute response times in my part of the world uh how much you know i can be
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beaten very thoroughly by the time the police get there um yeah i mean i don't think we want a
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society vigilantism, you know, by any stretch, you know, and I think it's different if you're
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walking home in a darkened street through the Beltline in Calgary, you know, maybe a good
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scream is as good as a defense at any. I won't pretend to know the terror of being a young
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woman who doesn't know what's, you know, around the next dark corner. Corey, living in the rural
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areas obviously yeah you do have to take matters in your own hands to a certain event but it's
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got to be in the back of your mind right geez if i do this am i going to be charged because you know
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certainly that's what happened to poor mr maurice well and realistically a lot of people in rural
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areas do own firearms i think in their informal mental preparation in a worst case scenario
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they would utilize them and it's very rare when we see it actually happen that's the point i want
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to drive home too even though we have them and you know we're not supposed to use them well
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they're there the cases like maurice don't have enough we're not eager to go out and shoot
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somebody we don't want to we want to deter we want to just live on our lives unimpeded and molested
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by these people but the the state often just seems so obsessed with taking away our ability
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to do that and that's concerning i mean they just want to take away our right to defend ourselves
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i remember going back to uh the mid 80s in calgary there was a calgary drugstore owner
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by the name of stephen kessler who got so fed up with being robbed he waited in in the drugstore
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at night and uh you know right on cue the place was robbed and and he shot the robber and killed
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him fleeing in the back you know and he had just reached the end of his rope i always think and i
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I think it was proven right in the Kessler case.
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There's not a jury in the world that's going to convict you.
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You know, it's, it's, everybody on the jury box can put themselves into that position.
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We saw that in the case with Colton Boushey as well.
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A young man on a, well, they were, they were on a criminal rampage.
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And unfortunately, it led to him being shot and dying,
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which is, I don't think, what anybody nor Stanley wanted to happen.
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But it went to jury, and when reasonable people looked at it and examined it,
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they said, look, this, you know, and same thing,
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I think that's part of why the prosecution was pulling away with Maurice.
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and there's no way we're going to win this when we get it out there.
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And the Kessler case, yeah, I remember that too.
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That was pretty questionable as to his need to do so,
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unless we want these cases to keep going like that and clogging out our courts,
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And if we inappropriately use it well, then we'll talk about that one at a time.
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I think it really, really needs to apply to this, you know,
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because like you said, we don't want people, vigilantes,
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running around pepper-spraying everyone who gives them a dirty look.
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We need to give people the ability to arm themselves with something small like that,
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something non-extremely life-threateningly detrimental, just in case.
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But if I go to my door and just club somebody because they were looking for directions,
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I've inappropriately utilized that baseball bat.
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we've got a Calgary firefighter who seems to be on the carpet
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for having misbehaved at a public event the other day.
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This was a video we got sent in our newsroom Friday,
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and it was a video of a Calgary firefighter who was in his truck
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driving down 17th Avenue Southwest past Tompkins Park.
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And lo and behold, at the same time, there was a small rally,
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a dozen or so people in the park with People's Party of Canada leader Maxime Bernier.
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So the firefighter was a fan of Bernier's, was excited to see his political hero.
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So he sort of gave a couple of tweets of the fire horn or siren
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and then leaned out the window, opened up his uniform,
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And Bernier said, well, we need more people like that who aren't afraid to express their opinion.
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But as soon as I saw that, I knew he was in trouble.
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City employees aren't allowed to do anything political while they're on duty, while they're in city uniforms.
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So, the city finally got back to me late on Friday and did confirm that an investigation has been launched.
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I mean, I didn't want to get the firefighter into trouble, but you knew it was coming one way or the other
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because the video was out there and Mad Max had actually tweeted it himself.
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After my story came out, he quickly took it down.
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But, yeah, there is now obviously a huge investigation going on.
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or I wouldn't say huge, but a bureaucratic investigation going on
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because a firefighter did something a bit silly.
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Here we go. Let folks see for themselves before we...
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A lot of people are like that, a lot of people are afraid to speak and he is not afraid.
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We must do that. We must not be afraid of the mainstream media.
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What is the goal? What is the goal if we have the best ideas?
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It's a lovely summer Sunday afternoon, summer afternoon.
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There was a bit of a breach of decorum, I gotta admit, when you're in uniform, it's a uniform.
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I mean, they should be able to have whatever life they want outside of the firefighting.
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But, I don't know, Jackie, did you feel that was an appropriate behavior, perhaps, while...
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I honestly agree with you because kind of personal views aside, like I couldn't care less if any government city employee is a liberal, conservative, whatever.
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But if you're being paid on that government dime, I don't necessarily think that you have the right to express those kinds of views specifically on duty, in uniform.
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Like there's a lot of variables to it because like you said, if he was just an average citizen attending this rally and he chose to wear that T-shirt and he also happened to be a firefighter that wasn't working at that point.
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there would be no issue whatsoever the only real reason that there is an issue is because he's
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a city worker government employed and he was in uniform on duty so yeah well and as you're saying
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dave though i mean we talked a bit about that earlier like wrong but it should in our view
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or my view it's more you know come before the boss have him say look just don't do it again
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even a formal write-up there it's in file don't if it happens again now we're going to have to
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talk you said there's an investigation actually happening now yeah uh city staff have uh have
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have launched an investigation to see what if any
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i don't know we are hopefully the lieutenant will just call them in and
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my fear is that bureaucratic wheels now i've got a hold of it
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everyone on that fire truck left to be called in and interviewed and
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I don't think the fire truck planned to be there.
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It was probably just coming back from a call where they may have saved somebody's life.
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He might have been planning on going and enjoying the rally.
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But the call rings, you throw on your gear and out you go.
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I mean, it's just, I think, lesson learned, hopefully.
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Somebody else, one of the commenters, is saying, you know,
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would you want to see them walking around with NDP stuff on?
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We want to see them in their gear and uniform for their job at the time.
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Imagine it's not a firefighter, but it's a city policeman.
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And they're at the rally, you know, the freedom rallies that we've been having throughout Calgary on the weekends against masks.
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And, you know, the protesters go by and the policeman opens up, you know, an anti-mask.
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Or a picture of Dr. Vipon, and then he clubs somebody over the head for protesting.
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I mean, they've got to maintain a degree of impartiality or show it.
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So, yeah, it's all about professionalism and appearances when you're wearing the uniform.
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But it shouldn't require more than a slap on the wrist, to be honest.
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Unless you'd had some history or record, and that's their internal business to deal with.
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Maybe before we close up, though, it kind of segues into something else,
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and I'll throw you off guard something we didn't discuss,
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but a couple of questions have talked about that since Maxime Bernier came up.
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Derek Sloan came out and had a little bit of a rally, and it looks like he's kicking off yet another Conservative Party on the federal scene called the True North Party.
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I'm not sure what Candace thinks about that, but I'll let them deal with that aspect of things.
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What do you figure is going to come of this, Jackie?
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Derek Sloan has been an interesting character throughout his political career.
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I know I was not the most upset when I heard that he had been expelled from the Conservative Party.
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I mean, to me, it kind of just sounds like another Maxime Bernier knockoff, another disgruntled
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conservative who says, screw you all, I'll fix your little red wag and I'll go and take my ball
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and start my own party. And so I don't know, I think to be frank, it sounds immature. And like
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I said, like from the little that I do know of Derek Sloan's political career, it seems very
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shrouded in anger more than actual like political intent. So I think in a lot of these situations,
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you end up just splintering the initial conservative party and that doesn't
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really do any good for anyone so he's always very popular when he comes to
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town his announcement about the new party had you know three four hundred
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people there but again Jackie just hits the nail on the head how how many times
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would you want to split the conservative vote you know they they can't get they
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can't beat Trudeau now. So if there's eight or nine other right-wing-leaning parties to choose
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from, there's absolutely no way they're going to ever get into government. So you know what?
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Conservative Party, fix your issues. If you don't like Erin O'Toole as a leader, get rid of them.
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Bring in somebody that you can all get behind. You know, maybe it's time for the social
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conservatives, as we'll call them, like Derek Sloan, to, okay, yeah, we're not part of the
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umbrella, and we'll set up, you know, another one. But you can't keep cutting the, you can't
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keep cutting the pie. Well, I think it kind of shows, though, again, as part of the problem
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that's been dogging O'Toole, was poor leadership. You've got to keep those factions together. In a
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conservative movement, you have these multiple groups, and there's no getting around it. He's
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lost the regionalists, or a lot of them, and Jay Hill is capitalizing on that with the Maverick
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Party. And then when Sloan was kicked out, Sloan's always been an unapologetic, you know,
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supporter of the social issues. That's his thing. That's his niche. I mean, I think, you know,
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Harper had caucus members like that too. But what you typically do is keep them on the back bench,
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keep them in caucus. You send them to the church meetings to speak to that and at least respect
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the social conservatives. But you don't have to change party policy. But once he punted him out,
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he's left that opening. And now there's another two, three, five percent they're going to get
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pulled off in the constituencies where they run that he can't afford right now. So we know.
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I mean, the Conservatives need every single vote that they can get to try and avoid a Trudeau landslide.
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So, you know, you can wish Derek Sloan luck, but at the end of the day, you may want to rethink your options.
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Yeah, well, and that pretty much wraps up what we're going to hit today.
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But, you know, we've got the summer doldrums coming up.
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There's still lots of stories and content coming up.
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Our shows are getting a little more spread out.
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But as you can see, thanks to James' efforts and so on,
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Not nearly as much crazy echoing going on this time, better lighting.
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And we're going to be ready to really hit the ground running
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when that federal election looks like it's coming this fall.
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And next week, hopefully, Phil DeBrand will be back,
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even though I think Jackie's done the sterling job.
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But, yeah, I guess we've got to get Derek back at some time or another.
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The trio of grumpy old men, isn't that what you always say?
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Now we've got a grumpy young woman with us.
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can keep influencing you to make you eventually you will be a sour old woman but
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exactly there's no hurry hang around cory and i and uh curmudgeon will await you it is contagious
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