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00:04:34.340 Now, on to our subject.

00:04:36.460 Outside of firearms, pepper spray has been an issue.

00:04:39.560 I mean, we're not allowed to use firearms to protect ourselves.

00:04:42.620 And pepper spray apparently is pretty controversial in use in protecting ourselves as well.

00:04:46.560 So, Dave, maybe if you could lay out what this great pepper geek going on is here.

00:04:50.800 Well, Justice Minister Casey Maddow has written to the feds.

00:04:54.560 And he is asking for women in Alberta to be able to carry pepper spray in case of self-defense.

00:05:02.320 There's been an increase, Maddow says, in hate crimes.

00:05:07.700 Several well-publicized incidents in Edmonton where marginalized women in Islamic gear have been assaulted.

00:05:17.100 There's numerous crimes in Calgary and actually across the province that Jackie's already written on women being attacked.

00:05:27.100 Women just generally feeling unsafe, especially in the downtown core.

00:05:33.260 So Madhu has said enough's enough, and he wants the feds to not make it illegal anymore to carry this stuff.

00:05:44.020 And obviously it's drawn a firestorm of reaction.

00:05:49.220 The unofficial provincial opposition in Mayor Nenshi has come out against it, 0.99

00:05:55.680 saying it's basically an insult to these marginalized women, 0.99

00:06:01.660 that they're being told that, hey, you know, because of you,

00:06:05.580 you know, you should be carrying this sort of stuff.

00:06:08.280 But, you know, I'll throw it to Jackie. 0.98

00:06:10.640 Jackie, you did a two-part feature on how women are feeling now.

00:06:16.740 You know, as a young woman, what do you feel?

00:06:19.660 Would you put it in your purse?

00:06:21.840 Oh, in a heartbeat.

00:06:22.900 I completely agree with Madhu.

00:06:24.660 i think it's ridiculous frankly that it is illegal at this moment because pepper spray isn't a gun

00:06:29.460 pepper spray isn't a knife you can't mortally wound someone to the point that like after an

00:06:34.740 encounter with pepper spray they would have lasting effects beyond that short window of

00:06:39.300 being incapacitated like it's and i feel that part of the issue is that they're placing pepper spray

00:06:45.940 into the exact same category as a gun or a knife it's not even close like i said you can you can

00:06:51.540 protect yourself with pepper spray and you can momentarily disarm someone with pepper spray but

00:06:56.580 you can't leave lasting damage the only thing that you can do with pepper spray is protect yourself

00:07:00.740 from a situation that in alberta i think that we've seen have has been happening a lot lately

00:07:05.540 especially to women marginalized groups like and and that's the other thing it's not necessarily

00:07:10.500 just women it's people of different races it's people of different sexual orientations it's

00:07:15.540 it's a number of vulnerable populations right now that could severely benefit from being able to

00:07:21.540 carry a small you know weapon if you can even call it that for self-defense and especially when

00:07:26.980 the police have such an issue getting to places in time being able to really protect people outside

00:07:32.980 of just a reaction to whatever's happened a lot of times the police get calls and say this did

00:07:38.980 happen someone did this to me but a lot of times they're not able to get to the situation

00:07:43.780 immediately to help before it does and allowing people to carry pepper spray would really really

00:07:48.100 help with that in my opinion i think corey that the effect if you've ever been pepper sprayed the

00:07:53.140 effects can be devastating a friend of mine was an opera singer and she was in calgary

00:08:00.660 she was being in berlin singing came to calgary was pepper sprayed during the robbery it ruined

00:08:05.540 her career she was no longer able to sing a friend of mine went through calgary police service

00:08:11.620 recruit class. And one of the things you have to do as a recruit is to get pepper sprayed in the

00:08:16.900 face. And she had just come from eye surgery and didn't have to do it. But she says the dressing 0.84

00:08:23.620 room, you know, just the female officers in the dressing room writhing on the floor, screaming in

00:08:29.140 agony, just trying to get it out of their eyes. And the Alberta Association of Police Chiefs wrote

00:08:36.340 to madu and said hey hang on a second you know this may be causing more problems and you're

00:08:41.620 you're trying to settle you know is it you know could it could we have a like a cloud of pepper

00:08:47.540 spray hanging over downtown kelder well i have a i don't think it'll be that big and some of the

00:08:51.780 exaggerated discussion over this has been brutal but i have experienced pepper pepper spray i was

00:08:56.260 a surveyor in the field for 20 years i mean most of the time we carried firearms but a lot of guys

00:09:00.420 carried pepper spray if we were in the back country and things like that in the later years we weren't

00:09:04.500 supposed to carry firearms. Most guys did anyway. I had a Robin who was an imbecile during a lunch

00:09:09.020 break who sprayed it as a test and he didn't check the wind direction. We both got to enjoy a face 1.00

00:09:13.380 full of it. It's horrible. It sucks the breath right out of you. You don't feel like you can

00:09:18.080 breathe. And that wasn't even a direct shot in the face. And people, I guess, with pre-existing

00:09:22.120 conditions, yeah, they could get some longer term harm. So it's not necessarily totally harmless,

00:09:25.260 but it's very likely just going to make them very uncomfortable for a bit and they will be

00:09:29.680 better later on. But the thing that gets me is people say it'll just be a free-for-all.

00:09:34.400 as you said, a cloud of pepper around the city, people are just going to be spraying each other

00:09:37.200 left, right, and center. Look, you can already get it. You can go to a hiking store, Canadian

00:09:42.400 Tire, wherever. You just say, I'm hiking. I want a can of pepper spray, and they'll sell it to you.

00:09:47.760 If criminal-minded people are going to use it criminally, want it to, they can already get it,

00:09:51.940 and they'll already be doing it. I mean, why haven't we seen mass pepper sprayings on hiking

00:09:55.600 trails from people walking by each other and blasting each other with this stuff?

00:09:59.360 Yeah, there's going to be some irresponsible users, but that's the reality with everything.

00:10:04.400 And as it was also said, it's not necessarily should be just women or vulnerable people.

00:10:08.940 I mean, I'm an ugly, middle-sized, middle-aged man, but there's been times on that LRT we've written about that.

00:10:14.800 You know, when we come down to this office, there are some very aggressive, discomforting, addicted people around,

00:10:21.240 and I might feel a little more comfortable if I had something like a pepper spray.

00:10:24.800 Or what if it became a physical altercation? 0.54

00:10:27.720 What would be worse, if I beat some addict half to death, or if you've got a face full of pepper spray? 0.85

00:10:32.340 I mean, it's not necessarily all that bad. 0.96

00:10:34.500 I think it's an issue worth looking into and examining.

00:10:37.480 Do you think, Jackie, it could be a case of where people may be whipping out the pepper spray too quickly?

00:10:43.600 You know, if you feel, oh, geez, that guy's looking at me the wrong way and give him a blast.

00:10:48.620 You know, I think that's a concern some people have.

00:10:51.940 I think for sure it's not necessarily an unfounded risk that you would be taking by allowing the public to carry it.

00:10:58.920 But I think that that would be the case with anything.

00:11:00.880 like it's legal to carry not a switchblade but a knife i think that's about like three inches worth

00:11:06.720 and and that's completely legal and you know we don't necessarily see people you know going around

00:11:11.440 with knives trying to get anyone that gives them a dirty look or anything so i do think it's a

00:11:17.120 large part of personal judgment but i think a lot of albertans would have that personal judgment to

00:11:23.200 use some common sense um i also think cory made a very interesting point because there's there's a

00:11:29.040 relative distinction because i attempted to go and actually when the attacks in calgary began get

00:11:34.080 myself a little thing of pepper spray or whatever they would sell me i was curious what they would

00:11:38.400 sell me because i was reading online that pepper spray was illegal but that you could go to canadian

00:11:42.720 tire or cabela's or whatever and get something and they will sell you it's coyote spray so like

00:11:48.720 coyote dog spray sort of thing and that's what i actually carry on my key chain right now i live

00:11:53.680 near fish creek and go jogging so nothing nothing bad but um i think it would be an interesting

00:11:59.360 distinction if they actually did legalize the pepper spray as a bit of a step up from that dog

00:12:04.880 spray and potentially maybe the police chief is right maybe we should see what we can do with the

00:12:10.320 tools that are disposable already with with dog spray with coyote spray with things like that

00:12:14.800 that aren't quite as potent as pepper spray but still a solid shot to the face will get you get

00:12:20.400 get you away from someone.

00:12:22.180 If Trudeau wins again we could have a

00:12:24.460 liberal

00:12:25.940 pepper spray registry registry buyback plan

00:12:30.160 coming up soon.

00:12:32.680 I wouldn't put anything beyond them. I mean the thing that people can't forget is

00:12:36.600 illegally using pepper spray against somebody using it indiscriminately would

00:12:40.000 still remain illegal. It still would be

00:12:41.640 an assault with a weapon. I mean if you're not utilizing it in the case of

00:12:45.360 self-defense you are putting yourself at criminal risk

00:12:48.580 whether it's a baseball bat or a rock from the ground that you picked up if you're in a fight,

00:12:53.340 if you don't have a reason to utilize that with somebody, it's still very illegal and would remain so.

00:12:58.260 It's just that you'd be allowed to actually carry that in the interim.

00:13:01.300 But the political football with this has been interesting, of course.

00:13:04.000 Mayor Nenshi, boy, there's just no issue.

00:13:06.100 He won't stuff his beautiful face in front of a camera for these days for some reason.

00:13:09.900 And he's been going after Minister Madhu.

00:13:12.200 And then, of course, that goes up to the federal level because this is federal legislation.

00:13:15.380 What do we got going on here?

00:13:16.580 Are we trying to make issues out of things?

00:13:18.580 What sort of jurisdictional battles we got, Dave? 0.99

00:13:21.180 Well, as I said earlier, I think Rachel Notley is in a battle 0.86

00:13:26.000 as to who's the official opposition leader in Alberta.

00:13:30.360 Mayor Nenshi, obviously, has said he's not running again

00:13:33.760 in the city election in October.

00:13:36.100 Nobody knows quite what he's going to do,

00:13:38.080 though, you know, Corey's convinced he knows.

00:13:41.620 But he just seems to, yeah, everything the province announces,

00:13:44.940 is that Mayor Nenshi has to jump in front and slam it.

00:13:51.820 It's really quite the thing to see.

00:13:54.820 Well, and the other thing, I mean, you can attest to,

00:13:58.580 the thing that Nenshi and others aren't explaining,

00:14:00.960 because they all agree,

00:14:01.740 while there have been attacks against some minorities,

00:14:04.120 there have been assaults on women,

00:14:06.060 what's the alternative? 0.77

00:14:07.480 What do you want them to do?

00:14:09.500 Just cower and pray and hope for the best?

00:14:11.200 I mean, what are you expected to do, Jackie,

00:14:12.820 if somebody larger than yourself has decided to do something untowards.

00:14:16.200 It sounds bad, but I've been told by multiple police sources,

00:14:18.880 you cower if you cannot stay in a well-lit, well-populated area.

00:14:23.540 Don't go out at all.

00:14:24.780 If something should happen to you, you're,

00:14:26.820 I think we talked about this the other day, actually,

00:14:28.840 you're not allowed to defend yourself.

00:14:30.340 You're not allowed to defend your home.

00:14:31.560 You're basically asked to sit there and wait for help

00:14:35.200 whenever help will arrive,

00:14:36.580 because you, the citizen, are not impaired to do anything

00:14:39.880 in terms of self-defense,

00:14:40.960 because it can always be brought back onto you so i i think that entire culture is kind of stemming

00:14:47.120 a lot from this pepper spray debate but i believe that that might be at the root of the issue why

00:14:52.560 aren't we allowing albertans and canadians to defend themselves why are we asking them to wait

00:14:58.480 to get help from people who may or may not come you might remember the eddie maurice case and

00:15:05.200 things such as that i mean the police very jealously protect what they feel is their

00:15:09.360 sole monopoly on on protecting people from criminals i you know uh they really do get

00:15:14.640 quite upset when we take means into our own hands to protect ourselves but when they can't reasonably

00:15:19.120 do so again it comes to that question what are we supposed to do i mean i live rurally am i

00:15:24.000 supposed to it's 40 minute response times in my part of the world uh how much you know i can be

00:15:29.120 beaten very thoroughly by the time the police get there um yeah i mean i don't think we want a

00:15:35.520 society vigilantism, you know, by any stretch, you know, and I think it's different if you're

00:15:42.080 walking home in a darkened street through the Beltline in Calgary, you know, maybe a good

00:15:47.680 scream is as good as a defense at any. I won't pretend to know the terror of being a young

00:15:54.880 woman who doesn't know what's, you know, around the next dark corner. Corey, living in the rural

00:16:01.300 areas obviously yeah you do have to take matters in your own hands to a certain event but it's

00:16:07.140 got to be in the back of your mind right geez if i do this am i going to be charged because you know

00:16:12.740 certainly that's what happened to poor mr maurice well and realistically a lot of people in rural

00:16:18.020 areas do own firearms i think in their informal mental preparation in a worst case scenario

00:16:25.620 they would utilize them and it's very rare when we see it actually happen that's the point i want

00:16:31.620 to drive home too even though we have them and you know we're not supposed to use them well

00:16:36.500 they're there the cases like maurice don't have enough we're not eager to go out and shoot

00:16:40.980 somebody we don't want to we want to deter we want to just live on our lives unimpeded and molested

00:16:47.860 by these people but the the state often just seems so obsessed with taking away our ability

00:16:55.060 to do that and that's concerning i mean they just want to take away our right to defend ourselves

00:16:58.980 i remember going back to uh the mid 80s in calgary there was a calgary drugstore owner

00:17:04.980 by the name of stephen kessler who got so fed up with being robbed he waited in in the drugstore

00:17:11.480 at night and uh you know right on cue the place was robbed and and he shot the robber and killed

00:17:17.880 him fleeing in the back you know and he had just reached the end of his rope i always think and i

00:17:24.080 I think it was proven right in the Kessler case.

00:17:26.280 There's not a jury in the world that's going to convict you.

00:17:28.880 No.

00:17:29.140 You know, it's, it's, everybody on the jury box can put themselves into that position.

00:17:35.800 We saw that in the case with Colton Boushey as well.

00:17:38.220 I mean, that was tragic.

00:17:39.240 A young man on a, well, they were, they were on a criminal rampage.

00:17:43.040 They were running around rural properties.

00:17:44.240 That's what was exposed in the court.

00:17:45.660 And they'd put the Stanley family at risk.

00:17:48.700 And unfortunately, it led to him being shot and dying,

00:17:51.240 which is, I don't think, what anybody nor Stanley wanted to happen.

00:17:54.200 But it went to jury, and when reasonable people looked at it and examined it,

00:17:57.820 they said, look, this, you know, and same thing,

00:18:00.140 I think that's part of why the prosecution was pulling away with Maurice.

00:18:02.880 They realized we're wasting a lot of time,

00:18:04.600 and there's no way we're going to win this when we get it out there.

00:18:06.780 And the Kessler case, yeah, I remember that too.

00:18:09.220 He shot him in the back.

00:18:10.220 That was pretty questionable as to his need to do so,

00:18:13.640 and he still got acquitted.

00:18:14.860 So maybe we should just accept that, you know,

00:18:18.320 unless we want these cases to keep going like that and clogging out our courts,

00:18:20.600 just give us the right to defend ourselves.

00:18:21.980 And if we inappropriately use it well, then we'll talk about that one at a time.

00:18:25.360 Safe, legal, and rare.

00:18:26.720 I think it really, really needs to apply to this, you know,

00:18:29.140 because like you said, we don't want people, vigilantes,

00:18:31.420 running around pepper-spraying everyone who gives them a dirty look.

00:18:33.740 But I do believe safe, legal, and rare.

00:18:36.040 We need to give people the ability to arm themselves with something small like that,

00:18:40.400 something non-extremely life-threateningly detrimental, just in case.

00:18:45.420 Well, that's it. A baseball bat isn't illegal.

00:18:47.400 But if I go to my door and just club somebody because they were looking for directions,

00:18:50.320 I'm going to get charged.

00:18:52.080 I've inappropriately utilized that baseball bat.

00:18:54.800 That remains the same.

00:18:56.040 So getting on to somebody else in hot water,

00:18:57.680 we've got a Calgary firefighter who seems to be on the carpet

00:19:02.220 for having misbehaved at a public event the other day.

00:19:06.300 What happened there, Dave?

00:19:07.420 This was a video we got sent in our newsroom Friday,

00:19:11.700 and it was a video of a Calgary firefighter who was in his truck

00:19:17.020 driving down 17th Avenue Southwest past Tompkins Park.

00:19:22.500 And lo and behold, at the same time, there was a small rally,

00:19:26.200 a dozen or so people in the park with People's Party of Canada leader Maxime Bernier.

00:19:32.480 So the firefighter was a fan of Bernier's, was excited to see his political hero.

00:19:38.160 So he sort of gave a couple of tweets of the fire horn or siren

00:19:43.740 and then leaned out the window, opened up his uniform,

00:19:47.020 And he had a PPC T-shirt on underneath.

00:19:50.080 So, of course, the crowd burst into applause.

00:19:53.040 And Bernier said, well, we need more people like that who aren't afraid to express their opinion.

00:19:59.480 But as soon as I saw that, I knew he was in trouble.

00:20:04.200 City employees aren't allowed to do anything political while they're on duty, while they're in city uniforms.

00:20:13.840 So, the city finally got back to me late on Friday and did confirm that an investigation has been launched.

00:20:22.860 I mean, I didn't want to get the firefighter into trouble, but you knew it was coming one way or the other

00:20:27.240 because the video was out there and Mad Max had actually tweeted it himself.

00:20:32.940 After my story came out, he quickly took it down.

00:20:37.360 But, yeah, there is now obviously a huge investigation going on.

00:20:42.400 or I wouldn't say huge, but a bureaucratic investigation going on 0.76

00:20:47.340 because a firefighter did something a bit silly.

00:20:50.740 Seems like a bit of an overreach again.

00:20:53.940 Do we have a clip of that handy?

00:20:57.360 Here we go. Let folks see for themselves before we...

00:20:59.920 We'll be right back.

00:21:29.920 A lot of people are like that, a lot of people are afraid to speak and he is not afraid.

00:21:40.920 We must do that. We must not be afraid of the mainstream media.

00:21:44.920 What is the goal? What is the goal if we have the best ideas?

00:21:49.920 It's a lovely summer Sunday afternoon, summer afternoon.

00:22:01.920 There was a bit of a breach of decorum, I gotta admit, when you're in uniform, it's a uniform.

00:22:05.920 You're supposed to try to stay pretty neutral.

00:22:07.920 I mean, they should be able to have whatever life they want outside of the firefighting.

00:22:11.920 But, I don't know, Jackie, did you feel that was an appropriate behavior, perhaps, while...

00:22:15.920 I honestly agree with you because kind of personal views aside, like I couldn't care less if any government city employee is a liberal, conservative, whatever.

00:22:25.600 But if you're being paid on that government dime, I don't necessarily think that you have the right to express those kinds of views specifically on duty, in uniform.

00:22:34.700 Like there's a lot of variables to it because like you said, if he was just an average citizen attending this rally and he chose to wear that T-shirt and he also happened to be a firefighter that wasn't working at that point.

00:22:45.920 there would be no issue whatsoever the only real reason that there is an issue is because he's

00:22:50.720 a city worker government employed and he was in uniform on duty so yeah well and as you're saying

00:22:57.920 dave though i mean we talked a bit about that earlier like wrong but it should in our view

00:23:02.720 or my view it's more you know come before the boss have him say look just don't do it again

00:23:06.240 even a formal write-up there it's in file don't if it happens again now we're going to have to

00:23:09.280 talk you said there's an investigation actually happening now yeah uh city staff have uh have

00:23:14.720 have launched an investigation to see what if any

00:23:17.720 internal discipline will be taken

00:23:20.620 i don't know we are hopefully the lieutenant will just call them in and

00:23:23.900 you what will happen

00:23:25.380 is exactly what you said

00:23:27.040 my fear is that bureaucratic wheels now i've got a hold of it

00:23:30.880 and they'll be interviews will be

00:23:32.800 everyone on that fire truck left to be called in and interviewed and

00:23:36.660 you know who knows

00:23:38.120 try to get a hold of maxine bernet himself to

00:23:40.360 to to see just what the heck's going on

00:23:43.100 it's uh...

00:23:44.340 It hopefully doesn't get out of control.

00:23:46.140 It was just a little bit of spontaneous fun.

00:23:49.560 I don't think the fire truck planned to be there.

00:23:51.940 It was probably just coming back from a call where they may have saved somebody's life.

00:23:57.100 We don't know.

00:23:58.160 I mean, he might have been planning.

00:23:59.100 I mean, these guys are on call.

00:24:00.000 He might have been planning on going and enjoying the rally.

00:24:01.740 That's why he had the T-shirt.

00:24:02.600 But the call rings, you throw on your gear and out you go.

00:24:05.280 But those are the things you have to explain.

00:24:07.100 I mean, it's just, I think, lesson learned, hopefully.

00:24:09.160 Somebody else, one of the commenters, is saying, you know,

00:24:11.040 would you want to see them walking around with NDP stuff on?

00:24:13.080 We don't.

00:24:13.380 We want to see them in their gear and uniform for their job at the time.

00:24:16.860 Yeah, well, take it out.

00:24:17.580 Imagine it's not a firefighter, but it's a city policeman.

00:24:20.940 And they're at the rally, you know, the freedom rallies that we've been having throughout Calgary on the weekends against masks.

00:24:28.020 And, you know, the protesters go by and the policeman opens up, you know, an anti-mask.

00:24:37.060 He's got an anti-mask T-shirt on.

00:24:39.120 I mean, that would be outrageous.

00:24:40.240 Or a picture of Dr. Vipon, and then he clubs somebody over the head for protesting.

00:24:44.880 I mean, they've got to maintain a degree of impartiality or show it.

00:24:48.660 So, yeah, it's all about professionalism and appearances when you're wearing the uniform.

00:24:53.120 But it shouldn't require more than a slap on the wrist, to be honest.

00:24:56.720 Unless you'd had some history or record, and that's their internal business to deal with.

00:25:00.000 Yep, absolutely.

00:25:01.040 Maybe before we close up, though, it kind of segues into something else,

00:25:03.360 and I'll throw you off guard something we didn't discuss,

00:25:05.480 but a couple of questions have talked about that since Maxime Bernier came up.

00:25:09.620 Derek Sloan came out and had a little bit of a rally, and it looks like he's kicking off yet another Conservative Party on the federal scene called the True North Party.

00:25:17.680 I'm not sure what Candace thinks about that, but I'll let them deal with that aspect of things.

00:25:23.880 What do you figure is going to come of this, Jackie?

00:25:27.460 Derek Sloan has been an interesting character throughout his political career.

00:25:32.380 I know I was not the most upset when I heard that he had been expelled from the Conservative Party.

00:25:39.620 I mean, to me, it kind of just sounds like another Maxime Bernier knockoff, another disgruntled 0.96

00:25:45.660 conservative who says, screw you all, I'll fix your little red wag and I'll go and take my ball 0.96

00:25:51.420 and start my own party. And so I don't know, I think to be frank, it sounds immature. And like 0.99

00:25:58.080 I said, like from the little that I do know of Derek Sloan's political career, it seems very

00:26:03.360 shrouded in anger more than actual like political intent. So I think in a lot of these situations,

00:26:09.620 you end up just splintering the initial conservative party and that doesn't

00:26:13.760 really do any good for anyone so he's always very popular when he comes to

00:26:17.720 town his announcement about the new party had you know three four hundred

00:26:21.980 people there but again Jackie just hits the nail on the head how how many times

00:26:29.180 would you want to split the conservative vote you know they they can't get they

00:26:34.820 can't beat Trudeau now. So if there's eight or nine other right-wing-leaning parties to choose

00:26:42.000 from, there's absolutely no way they're going to ever get into government. So you know what?

00:26:46.280 Conservative Party, fix your issues. If you don't like Erin O'Toole as a leader, get rid of them. 1.00

00:26:53.640 Bring in somebody that you can all get behind. You know, maybe it's time for the social

00:27:01.820 conservatives, as we'll call them, like Derek Sloan, to, okay, yeah, we're not part of the

00:27:08.500 umbrella, and we'll set up, you know, another one. But you can't keep cutting the, you can't

00:27:14.280 keep cutting the pie. Well, I think it kind of shows, though, again, as part of the problem

00:27:18.420 that's been dogging O'Toole, was poor leadership. You've got to keep those factions together. In a

00:27:22.800 conservative movement, you have these multiple groups, and there's no getting around it. He's

00:27:26.360 lost the regionalists, or a lot of them, and Jay Hill is capitalizing on that with the Maverick

00:27:30.580 Party. And then when Sloan was kicked out, Sloan's always been an unapologetic, you know,

00:27:35.700 supporter of the social issues. That's his thing. That's his niche. I mean, I think, you know,

00:27:39.720 Harper had caucus members like that too. But what you typically do is keep them on the back bench,

00:27:44.300 keep them in caucus. You send them to the church meetings to speak to that and at least respect

00:27:47.920 the social conservatives. But you don't have to change party policy. But once he punted him out,

00:27:52.600 he's left that opening. And now there's another two, three, five percent they're going to get

00:27:56.160 pulled off in the constituencies where they run that he can't afford right now. So we know.

00:28:00.580 I mean, the Conservatives need every single vote that they can get to try and avoid a Trudeau landslide.

00:28:07.500 So, you know, you can wish Derek Sloan luck, but at the end of the day, you may want to rethink your options.

00:28:15.840 Yeah, well, and that pretty much wraps up what we're going to hit today.

00:28:19.360 But, you know, we've got the summer doldrums coming up.

00:28:22.440 There's still lots of stories and content coming up.

00:28:24.340 The news never ends, does it?

00:28:25.500 No, it doesn't.

00:28:26.260 So keep an eye on us.

00:28:27.000 Our shows are getting a little more spread out.

00:28:28.260 But as you can see, thanks to James' efforts and so on,

00:28:30.240 we're really upping our technical game.

00:28:32.760 Not nearly as much crazy echoing going on this time, better lighting.

00:28:36.240 And we're going to be ready to really hit the ground running

00:28:38.360 when that federal election looks like it's coming this fall.

00:28:40.960 And next week, hopefully, Phil DeBrand will be back,

00:28:43.560 even though I think Jackie's done the sterling job.

00:28:45.540 Pretty good, yeah.

00:28:46.500 But, yeah, I guess we've got to get Derek back at some time or another.

00:28:49.480 Well, yeah.

00:28:50.380 The trio of grumpy old men, isn't that what you always say? 1.00

00:28:53.440 Yeah, that's true. 1.00

00:28:54.300 Now we've got a grumpy young woman with us. 1.00

00:28:56.260 Well, good. 1.00

00:28:56.660 can keep influencing you to make you eventually you will be a sour old woman but 1.00

00:29:01.400 exactly there's no hurry hang around cory and i and uh curmudgeon will await you it is contagious

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