Western Standard - THE PIPELINE： Kamloops Coverup： Ottawa refuses to release 'mass grave' documents

00:00:00.000 Today and welcome! Today is January 14th, 2026.

00:00:28.160 I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard, and you're watching The Pipeline.

00:00:33.160 Joined by our usual lineup of former Western Standard opinion editor, Nigel Hannaford.

00:00:39.880 Great to see you all.

00:00:40.820 Senior Alberta columnist, Corey Morgan.

00:00:43.120 And an OG Pipeline member, we think probably permanently. We'll see how much, how he likes it.

00:00:52.200 But bringing Dave Naylor back to The Pipeline. Dave, I remember when, you know, this was just a tiny little wee baby company,

00:00:59.720 and we'd be doing this from our living rooms, just kind of help.

00:01:03.660 Staring at the laptop on kind of a Zoom thing. The Pipeline was you and me, and sometimes Corey.

00:01:10.300 Corey, were you an OG Pipeline?

00:01:12.140 Yeah, because it would be those weird ones where you had to clip out the screen to get the faces in for posts.

00:01:16.960 It was very, I think they're still on YouTube if somebody really wants to scratch.

00:01:20.860 God, they're rough. They are rough.

00:01:22.940 But Dave, welcome back to The Pipeline.

00:01:24.780 Good to be back as the eye candy of the panel.

00:01:27.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:01:28.460 Well, you're our sunshine girl.

00:01:29.480 Looking pretty as our ego.

00:01:30.800 Yeah.

00:01:31.840 Okay.

00:01:32.280 Okay. Well, the, I guess, second petition to trigger a referendum on Alberta independence has begun.

00:01:42.740 The first petition on Alberta independence was launched by anti-independence federalists

00:01:49.560 until they realized that launching a referendum on staying in Canada also means that people can vote no

00:01:55.840 and therefore leave.

00:01:57.800 And then they panicked and pleaded not to have a referendum on that.

00:02:01.960 So, that kind of cleared the way after wasting everyone's time and effort and money.

00:02:06.680 Cleared the way now to the pro-independent side to collect their signatures.

00:02:12.780 And it's off to a pretty strong start.

00:02:15.500 We'll be talking about that.

00:02:16.740 Will Mark Carney pivot to China as the United States becomes more assertive and dominant in its hemisphere

00:02:26.340 and bellicose, some might say.

00:02:29.960 Mark Carney is on his way to China.

00:02:32.340 China is made quite explicit that Canada should pivot away from the United States and join Pax China.

00:02:40.940 And I'm sure that will not result in the immediate kidnapping in an overnight operation by Delta Force of Mark Carney.

00:02:49.440 And he'll get to show up for some kind of charges at New York State Court.

00:02:53.480 First, we're going to start with a great story.

00:03:01.720 It's been a long time coming, but the federal government has lost its appeal

00:03:10.660 with the Federal Office of the Information and Privacy Commissioner

00:03:15.260 for an accessed information request to get the report on these mass graves

00:03:22.020 from the Kamloops Holocaust, the genocide that took place there with the mass graves

00:03:28.580 where people were just slaughtered by thousands or hundreds or whatever the story is.

00:03:36.900 Some intrepid reporter, I'm not sure who.

00:03:38.820 Do we know which...

00:03:39.820 Black Locks.

00:03:40.940 Black... 1.00

00:03:41.220 Of course, it's Black Locks. 1.00

00:03:42.640 Those dastardly buggers. 0.94

00:03:46.260 They filed an accessed information request, and Ottawa said, 0.93

00:03:49.640 no, you can't have a report on this genocide.

00:03:52.180 You just need to accept it.

00:03:53.880 Dave, why don't you fill it in a little from there?

00:03:56.540 Yeah, well, if you remember when the local band, who's got an unpronounceable name,

00:04:01.660 said...

00:04:02.140 Kamloops.

00:04:02.860 The Kamloops band, we'll call them,

00:04:04.780 said they had found the graves of 215 children.

00:04:07.720 The country collectively lost its mind.

00:04:10.620 We lowered flags, and Justin Trudeau was pictured with teddy bears.

00:04:14.740 The band was given $12 million to go ahead and do something to make the thing real or not.

00:04:27.440 And it turns out that one of the things, one of the catches on that $12 million was they had to file reports as to what they've done with it.

00:04:35.500 And that's the information that Black Locks first asked for. 0.68

00:04:38.800 And there's 576 pages, and the feds said, no, we're not giving it to you.

00:04:46.900 So Black Locks then went to the information commissioner, appealed,

00:04:50.540 and now the information officer has ordered it released within the next month.

00:04:55.040 So, will they release it, I guess?

00:04:58.440 Or will they maybe go up to a higher court?

00:05:01.120 They fought court battles to keep papers hidden before, and they may do it again.

00:05:07.140 But I think, Corey, I think you were one of the first media people to speak out loud that it's a hoax.

00:05:14.340 I think so.

00:05:15.100 I mean, it really was, you know, and at first I was horrified like everybody else.

00:05:19.000 People ask why I get so ticked off about this.

00:05:20.880 Part of it was when I first saw the reports, I thought, oh, my Lord, they've murdered children in a school.

00:05:25.520 This is awful.

00:05:26.660 I mean, this is a black mark on Canadian history.

00:05:30.020 Let's rectify this, deal with this.

00:05:32.980 I don't know, a month, maybe two months in, it was getting more evident that they're stalling any further investigation.

00:05:39.200 I mean, anything else where you've got 215 buried children you're going to exhume, you're going to have criminal investigation.

00:05:44.660 And finally enough, like, okay, this stinks.

00:05:47.840 And more and more, though, we saw some major, you know, media members and others finally, but the backlash you would get initially for daring to question it was unreal.

00:05:57.600 And now it's at a point, I think, everybody kind of realizes there's nothing there, and now the government's trying to cover it up.

00:06:03.220 We got to insert this clip.

00:06:05.860 You remember the Jim Carrey 90s movie, Liar, Liar?

00:06:09.580 He's a lawyer.

00:06:10.420 He can't lie for a day.

00:06:12.040 And at one point he just says, I object.

00:06:14.240 Your Honor, I object.

00:06:15.760 And why is that, Mr. Reid?

00:06:17.920 Because it's devastating to my case.

00:06:20.420 Overruled.

00:06:20.940 Good call.

00:06:21.360 I feel like that's, that's, uh, that's what's here right now.

00:06:24.900 You know, people are saying, I object, show us the evidence.

00:06:27.980 Show us the evidence.

00:06:28.960 And Ottawa says, I object.

00:06:30.180 And we say, why?

00:06:31.820 Because it'll show it's a lie.

00:06:33.900 I was like you, Corey.

00:06:35.080 I took this as, like, I can't believe this happened in Canada.

00:06:38.400 I mean, no country's perfect.

00:06:39.560 No country's been all, uh, cooperation and getting along its entire history.

00:06:44.740 But this is, this is a real black stain.

00:06:47.320 If true.

00:06:47.860 Even the pill.

00:06:48.620 Yeah.

00:06:49.060 Uh, let's see.

00:06:51.040 And we just, we expect basic due process.

00:06:55.700 We're going to collect some evidence.

00:06:58.440 How many bodies have been found in any of these mass graves?

00:07:02.520 Not one so far.

00:07:04.040 Not one.

00:07:05.740 Um, and, and the, uh, Nigel, the, um, the feds, I don't know, what is it?

00:07:15.960 I mean, the obvious thing is they're, I think, very worried that it's going to show, no, there,

00:07:20.680 there are no bodies.

00:07:22.500 Uh, but I don't know.

00:07:24.120 Am I, am I being, uh, a little too out of left field and supposing that just possibly

00:07:30.180 this band didn't, how wild a speculation is it that maybe they spent some of the money

00:07:35.260 on things that have little to do with actually getting some evidence?

00:07:38.920 Well, that of course would justify that you request for the documents to, these are progress

00:07:43.700 reports, you see, that they're supposed to file as the, as the, um, condition of getting

00:07:49.580 this money advanced to them.

00:07:52.500 Uh, so what you go, what you see, I gather, if you go, I haven't been down to Canlebes

00:07:56.680 to take a look, but, uh, people who have, say it's all fetched off and sacred ground and,

00:08:02.240 you know, don't even look at it.

00:08:03.560 Nevermind.

00:08:04.020 Try to, try to, uh, excavate in there or think of anything like that.

00:08:09.020 Look, there's a bigger, there's a bigger game going on here, a much bigger game.

00:08:13.860 Um, I stuck my neck out a couple of years ago when I was challenged on the point.

00:08:17.620 And I said, if you show me the evidence, I will say that, yes, the, I will say what the

00:08:24.720 evidence indicates, but right now we have no evidence and therefore I'm not prepared

00:08:30.400 to say that this all happened just as described.

00:08:33.520 So why do they hang on to the narrative?

00:08:36.460 Well, look, let's be honest about it.

00:08:38.500 There's a move to give Canada back to indigenous people at the moment. 0.94

00:08:43.420 Now, most people will say that's ridiculous.

00:08:44.900 We're not going to do that.

00:08:45.680 But if they're made to feel guilty, they might, and you can see it at work in BC right

00:08:51.520 now with the things that Mr.

00:08:53.180 Eby has, uh, authorized, you can see it with the, with the narrative that is infecting the

00:09:00.360 BC Supreme court as it makes his judgments on things like the Cowichan case.

00:09:05.180 And, you know, if everybody, and by the way, it's just not white people and people descended

00:09:11.440 from the, uh, from white people who are affected by this, everybody who has come into this country,

00:09:16.360 whether they came from India or Pakistan or the Middle East, all now have an interest in

00:09:23.160 the outcome.

00:09:23.780 Um, and the outcome depends ultimately on whether you can convince the rest of Canada that a

00:09:29.620 terrible thing was done.

00:09:31.280 And in recompense, you have to do other things which will cost you money and could even alter

00:09:37.720 the character of the country.

00:09:38.780 So this is why this narrative is so important.

00:09:41.620 This is why they don't want to give you the information because if you blow the narrative

00:09:46.620 up, that whole process is set back years.

00:09:49.620 I think you're, you're right.

00:09:51.620 And it, it feeds into the agenda around the legitimizing Canada for indigenous rights and

00:09:58.620 indigenous land back claims, all these things.

00:10:01.620 But I think it also fits into the broader agenda of white guilt complex that has afflicted Western

00:10:08.620 societies since the end of the second world war, uh, some more than others, but has afflicted

00:10:13.620 everyone.

00:10:14.620 And this, this feeds into it more deeply that we need to be collectively guilty, collectively

00:10:20.620 ashamed of who we are.

00:10:22.620 Uh, we didn't, no one alive did anything, but we need to be collectively guilty of our civilization,

00:10:27.620 of our ancestors, of our nations, of our people.

00:10:30.620 Well, that's exactly right.

00:10:31.620 That's what, that's what, that's what this is about.

00:10:33.620 That's the left-wing approach to changing the world is to move from a point of a point of

00:10:37.620 where everybody is accountable for their own actions to where groups of people are accountable

00:10:43.620 for actions of their ancestors.

00:10:46.620 I'm not sure just the left is responsible here.

00:10:47.620 It's the left driving it, but the right allows it to succeed when it acquiesces to it.

00:10:53.620 And you saw this with the BC conservatives, uh, trying to kick out people for, uh, for questioning

00:10:58.620 this, uh, you know, that's the part of the split that went on there.

00:11:01.620 Uh, you see a real muzzle put around federal conservative MPs around this, because even 0.99

00:11:06.620 though those in power in the conservative movement, conservative parties, they know this is bullshit. 0.98

00:11:12.620 They still are afraid to question this because someone's going to call them racist on Twitter. 0.99

00:11:18.620 And so they silence themselves.

00:11:19.620 So it's the left driving this, but I think it's the right that's actually responsible for

00:11:23.620 making it a kind of metapolitical consensus when they acquiesce to it.

00:11:27.620 Well, absolutely.

00:11:28.620 It's time to, you know, the right is going to name it and shame it.

00:11:31.620 Well, if this is blown up though, this will embolden people to start questioning, because

00:11:35.620 this is the first domino.

00:11:37.620 If this is proven to be a hoax, if the evidence is showing this never happened, the bodies aren't

00:11:41.620 there, we've got that whole truth and reconciliation report with a lot of questionable

00:11:46.620 allegations in there too.

00:11:48.620 And I think people will now say, well, if that was BS, we should be entitled to maybe

00:11:53.620 look a little more closely at some of the claims that were made throughout all of this, because

00:11:57.620 what they did with that, people are forgetting two things that were problematic.

00:12:01.620 One, of course, they took all oral history at stock value as if it was fact without evidence.

00:12:06.620 And there was no cross examination.

00:12:08.620 No.

00:12:09.620 And there was actually a scale of compensation for victims.

00:12:14.620 So they were very incentivized to make it out that they suffered the most horrible possible

00:12:19.620 things, which some I don't know were probably true, but now we will have, I think people say,

00:12:25.620 well, I think I want to hear a little more because there's a whole lot of billions that

00:12:29.620 got put out based on this.

00:12:31.620 When we can see a fraud being as large as that level, I think it's not unfair to now scrutinize

00:12:37.620 some of the other claims and they're terrified.

00:12:39.620 No.

00:12:40.620 And you're right.

00:12:41.620 It is the business of being a victim.

00:12:42.620 And this band got 12 million, 12 million bucks.

00:12:45.620 We don't know what they did with it.

00:12:46.620 Well, wasn't there some, was it this band or a different band where they found a ton of

00:12:50.620 money was spent on communications consultants?

00:12:52.620 No, that was this, this was the same guys.

00:12:55.620 12 million dollars, by the way, Dave, if memory shares me right, is part of a $300

00:12:59.620 million program.

00:13:00.620 Yes, correct.

00:13:01.620 So there's a war all of the rest. 0.78

00:13:02.620 And you know, it's just, if only there was a, if only there was a way to solve it.

00:13:06.620 Right.

00:13:07.620 You and I could go and spend an afternoon digging and we'd solve the whole thing.

00:13:10.620 Yeah.

00:13:11.620 Well, we're in pretty poor shape.

00:13:12.620 We could hire a couple.

00:13:14.620 But yes, it is.

00:13:15.620 It really is that simple.

00:13:17.620 That's, what's annoying with this.

00:13:18.620 You don't need some massive technology.

00:13:21.620 You have Exuma grave.

00:13:23.620 It's done a lot and they won't do it.

00:13:25.620 Why hasn't the RCMP done it?

00:13:27.620 Cause it, if there's 215 dead children, that's a crime.

00:13:30.620 They were specifically told to stay out of it.

00:13:32.620 Well, remember how much money, there was a huge controversy.

00:13:35.620 It's one reason for the way the last Manitoba election went.

00:13:39.620 There was, I think one, maybe two, but I think one missing body from an indigenous person.

00:13:44.620 Two in the wind of figs.

00:13:45.620 Two in the wind of figs.

00:13:46.620 Two in the wind of figs.

00:13:47.620 Two in the wind of figs.

00:13:48.620 Two in the wind of figs landfill.

00:13:49.620 And I mean, it was wildly uneconomical.

00:13:51.620 They already knew what happened to them.

00:13:53.620 But it became a rallying point for people.

00:13:56.620 It was a political issue.

00:13:57.620 And so huge amounts of money were spent to find and exhume these missing bodies.

00:14:03.620 Okay.

00:14:04.620 We knew there were bodies there.

00:14:06.620 This was a murder and we knew the bodies were there.

00:14:09.620 And we spent incredible, or Manitoba taxpayers spent an incredible sum of money to get those bodies.

00:14:15.620 It's like $180 million, wasn't it?

00:14:17.620 It was something incredible.

00:14:18.620 It was an incredible amount of money to find some bodies.

00:14:21.620 And I don't want to be callous, but it was a questionable decision.

00:14:26.620 But either way, the decision was made to spend a huge amount of money to find these bodies

00:14:30.620 because we had to get the truth and put these people to rest.

00:14:33.620 Why won't we do it here where there should be theoretically mass graves and it's incredibly cheap to do it?

00:14:40.620 Well, that exposes another part of the hoax.

00:14:42.620 In Winnipeg, there were family members and records of the two missing women and everything.

00:14:46.620 With these 200 alleged children who were buried at Kamloops, there's no cousins, brothers, mothers, grandparents, sons.

00:14:52.620 There's no record of any children that are even supposed to be there.

00:14:56.620 So there's no advocate saying, Hey, I want my brother to be exhumed so we can return them to the home and possibly buried respectfully and all that.

00:15:05.620 It's not there.

00:15:07.620 That's another missing part of this puzzle.

00:15:09.620 Where did these mystifying 215 children come from?

00:15:13.620 And again, that's why they just don't want these questions asked.

00:15:16.620 And we can all be locked up if we're even talking about this.

00:15:21.620 That's their answer.

00:15:22.620 Residential school denialism law.

00:15:24.620 We could all be thrown in the slammer.

00:15:26.620 Denialism where this is a heinous crime to question, to ask any questions, to demand any evidence.

00:15:33.620 Their only answer to this is not to provide the extremely easy to provide evidence is to propose jailing anyone who questions it.

00:15:42.620 Well, I hate to say it, but you know, well, that's the way I do things.

00:15:46.620 Look, if they thought there were bodies down there, they would dig up three and they'd have them touring across the country and glass covered caskets.

00:15:53.620 And with the grievance industry showing why they need even more money.

00:15:57.620 They would want to highlight that there really are victims down there.

00:16:01.620 They know there aren't any as much as anybody else does.

00:16:04.620 We certainly, certainly have yet to present the evidence.

00:16:08.620 Or even look.

00:16:09.620 Yes.

00:16:10.620 So.

00:16:11.620 Yeah.

00:16:12.620 In the end, I mean, this could go either way, but I think in the end, this is going to do a lot more harm to the grievance industry than it ever did.

00:16:20.620 Well, they got the pound of flesh.

00:16:22.620 They got the blood lowered.

00:16:23.620 They overplayed.

00:16:24.620 Yeah.

00:16:25.620 They massively have overplayed their hand here.

00:16:28.620 And they took advantage of everyone's good will and innate sense of justice to try and shame us for something that just does not appear to have happened.

00:16:38.620 Well, to your point there, Corey, the, uh, the fact that the federal government wants to make it a criminal offense, they are now in the business of controlling speech.

00:16:50.620 What sort of government has evolved in this country?

00:16:55.620 Because that would not have happened even under a previous liberal government.

00:16:59.620 There is, uh, there is a, there is a motivation for control and complete control.

00:17:07.620 Uh, no, we've had restrictions on free speech for a long time.

00:17:10.620 And that's old to the point of saying, if he, if he think this and say it out loud, we're going to send you to jail.

00:17:16.620 They might've said, we'll send you to the human rights commission and then it'll cost you your retirement plan. 0.98

00:17:22.620 But no, we, we have, I mean, this might be another step in it, but we, we, we have had.

00:17:27.620 What are you thinking of?

00:17:28.620 Whereas, which would be comparable?

00:17:29.620 Uh, well, I mean, we've had like the earth sundials of the world and these guys, and they're generally considered cranks and whatever, but they did time for saying things that were not allowed to be said.

00:17:40.620 Um, whatever their opinion that we've a criminal, we have criminalized speech before beyond defamation or advocate.

00:17:50.620 I'm always fine with defamation, uh, or, um, advocating harm. 0.96

00:17:56.620 Like say, I think someone should go out and kill Corey or everyone should go out and kill UK citizens. 0.98

00:18:02.620 It's a better discussion. 0.99

00:18:03.620 Yeah. 0.54

00:18:04.620 Zendel is odious. 0.89

00:18:05.620 And even, you know, with what I think it shouldn't have been illegal for the net case to send the crappy stuff. 0.54

00:18:09.620 So we set the precedent there.

00:18:10.620 So we're like, we're living in that.

00:18:11.620 The other difference too, though, was he was denying something that we had a whole whack of it, but it's supposed to really happen.

00:18:17.620 But if something is solid, you don't need to criminalize the questioning of it, even if they're right or wrong.

00:18:22.620 That's not the point.

00:18:23.620 The point is, if you criminalize it, you actually, in my view, legitimize questioning it.

00:18:27.620 Well, it makes the conspiracy theorists even more set off when, well, what are you trying to hide this and see?

00:18:32.620 My point is that we have set the precedent.

00:18:34.620 We did it on that.

00:18:35.620 And now we know there's enough legal precedent in Canada.

00:18:39.620 There's enough case law that this would totally stand up in court. 0.99

00:18:42.620 It doesn't matter that it's bullshit. 0.97

00:18:43.620 It will stand up in court because we have enough legal precedent here to say, no, it's fine to criminalize. 0.97

00:18:49.620 It would be interesting if somebody got charged though, and I mean, I'm not a lawyer, but typically these things, then it would go to discovery.

00:18:57.620 And because you're denying something.

00:19:00.620 Well, I mean, I think, well, who knows?

00:19:02.620 I mean, if they're really out to get you, who knows how the courts will treat you.

00:19:05.620 But theoretically you should say, well, then we need to discover evidence. 0.95

00:19:08.620 That means digging a darn hole and see if I'm actually denying something that happened or not.

00:19:12.620 I'm not sure because the courts have upheld the laws that you can't say something that could just cause... 0.97

00:19:22.620 Hurt feelings.

00:19:23.620 Hurt feelings.

00:19:24.620 That is, you know, hurt an identifiable group, et cetera.

00:19:27.620 And the truth around, you know, if I said something nasty about Somalis, true or not in the aggregate, obviously not everyone.

00:19:36.620 But if I said something nasty about Somalis in the aggregate, even if true, that's an identifiable group that I have said some nasty things about. 1.00

00:19:46.620 It doesn't matter if it's true or not.

00:19:48.620 That gets upheld in Canadian law.

00:19:50.620 So we could dig all the holes we want.

00:19:52.620 Discovery is not going to really matter in that sense.

00:19:54.620 You're doing the time.

00:19:55.620 Sunil, by the way, was jailed in Germany, not in Canada.

00:20:00.620 We deported him.

00:20:01.620 We're talking about the Canadian government response.

00:20:06.620 Yeah.

00:20:07.620 Well, they're even more zealous in a long speech.

00:20:09.620 Yeah.

00:20:10.620 Oh, cool.

00:20:11.620 But yeah, that's a good correction there.

00:20:13.620 Thank you.

00:20:14.620 All right.

00:20:15.620 Move on to something more cheery.

00:20:17.620 Make China great again.

00:20:20.620 So, Nigel, you wanted to talk about this one.

00:20:28.620 I mean, the whole world has pivoted to China to some extent ever since they joined the World Trade Organization.

00:20:34.620 It's an indispensable economic partner in the world now.

00:20:37.620 Can't be ignored.

00:20:40.620 You know, Trump has been rather bellicose with Canada.

00:20:43.620 Carney actually should be thanking him.

00:20:45.620 The way Trump talked about annexing Canada, he would have never been prime minister.

00:20:49.620 Probably would have suffered the same fate as J.B.

00:20:51.620 Singh.

00:20:52.620 But...

00:20:53.620 There's time.

00:20:54.620 Pardon?

00:20:55.620 There's time.

00:20:56.620 Yeah.

00:20:57.620 Yeah.

00:20:58.620 But he's in China, I think, right now.

00:21:01.620 Mm-hmm.

00:21:02.620 And the Chinese have been quite explicit that, you know, Carney should...

00:21:07.620 Canada should be pivoting away from the States towards China, even if it were to happen 0.90

00:21:11.620 to some extent.

00:21:12.620 I doubt it would ever be very explicit because Carney would get a midnight free helicopter ride

00:21:17.620 for Delta Force pretty quickly, I think.

00:21:20.620 If the United States won't tolerate Maduro across the Gulf in Venezuela, there's a 0% chance

00:21:26.620 they would tolerate it from Canada.

00:21:28.620 But, I mean, Carney does have a very long history with China.

00:21:33.620 It seems pretty China friendly.

00:21:35.620 I don't know.

00:21:36.620 Your take?

00:21:37.620 So my take on it is actually, there's a lot of questions that, and you've hit on a number

00:21:42.620 of them there.

00:21:43.620 But, um, Trump has off to Greenland because he feels he needs it for national security.

00:21:52.620 No, he doesn't.

00:21:53.620 They already have all the military they want.

00:21:55.620 That doesn't make sense.

00:21:56.620 That's not what he wants.

00:21:57.620 That's not what he wants.

00:21:58.620 That's not what he actually wants.

00:21:59.620 So, Derek, what nobody is talking about is that you've got a strait of water between Greenland and Canada.

00:22:06.620 To which America is already there in Greenland. 0.68

00:22:09.620 And they could, if they had Greenland in possession, they could actually say, well, that's an internal

00:22:13.620 waterway.

00:22:14.620 And now we can, uh, now we can control it.

00:22:17.620 There's more than one reason.

00:22:18.620 If it's not, I can do that on America's behalf.

00:22:20.620 That's not, but the relevance of that to, uh, to China is if he establishes this sort of complete American

00:22:27.620 control over that Northern, uh, space.

00:22:30.620 And then you've got this, this, this Canadian thing that happens with China.

00:22:36.620 You've got, you've got your enemy right in here.

00:22:38.620 We're busily supporting China, bringing in the goods.

00:22:41.620 I mean, I honestly don't think Delta Force will be in.

00:22:45.620 I don't think they got us military.

00:22:46.620 I don't think they got us where they're.

00:22:48.620 I don't think we'll see Delta Force coming calling, but, uh, you can see that if we get

00:22:55.620 too close to China, the, the Yanks aren't going to like it.

00:22:58.620 And other people can speculate what they would do.

00:23:01.620 How is, what is the American reaction going to be to us Canadians replenishing oil?

00:23:11.620 The Chinese have just lost for Venezuela.

00:23:13.620 They're not going to like it.

00:23:15.620 I don't know what they'll do, but that is a, that is a negative.

00:23:19.620 Um, you know, Mr. Carney, all he wants is trade alternatives.

00:23:24.620 But what the Chinese want is to drive a very thick wedge between Canada and the United States. 0.96

00:23:30.620 That's not necessarily in our interests because the Chinese are not the nice guys in the world. 1.00

00:23:38.620 We may not like being under American domination, but at least they speak English.

00:23:43.620 We do not want to be under Chinese domination.

00:23:46.620 And I fear that Mr. Carney in his enthusiasm to show economic progress and have something to wave under the nose of the Canadian voting public.

00:23:56.620 It's going to give away too much too quick.

00:23:58.620 What exactly will the Americans do about it?

00:24:01.620 You know, you'll know that if there's some, you'll know there's something going on.

00:24:05.620 If he comes back from China and within a couple of weeks, we've got authorization for a pipeline and you've got to go now and do it right away.

00:24:13.620 That's that will tell you a lot about who agreed to what and under what conditions.

00:24:19.620 Uh, be fine for us, but not, uh, not for anybody else.

00:24:23.620 I think that's one of the key things to look at.

00:24:25.620 Uh, this might be what, if a pipeline is going to get built to the west coast, it, it could stem largely from this meeting.

00:24:33.620 Um, American analysts and commentators, uh, for the first time really ever are talking that I've, at least in a long time, are talking very seriously about Canada in the fallout of Venezuela.

00:24:46.620 A lot of them have started to connect to that.

00:24:49.620 Well, what does it really mean?

00:24:50.620 Uh, like, ah, Trump's excuse for wanting Greenland is, you know, to station the military there is about as truthful as they wanted Maduro because of drugs.

00:25:00.620 It had nothing to do with drugs and the United States military is already in Greenland.

00:25:05.620 Uh, these are the prima facie public reasons given for these things, but it's much more basic than that.

00:25:12.620 Uh, but a lot of Americans have started to connect the dots that, um, by getting Venezuelan or heavy, uh, heavy sour oil back in production.

00:25:23.620 And that'll take some time, but getting it back in production, that is going to put massive pressure on Canada and specifically Alberta.

00:25:31.620 This is directly eating our lunch. It's going to put downward pressure on prices that are already at a discount.

00:25:38.620 It puts the Americans in a more powerful position in demanding a price points from us that our oil is going to go even cheaper than it is right now.

00:25:45.620 And so building a pipeline to the west coast, which should have been obvious for an extremely long time to everybody, becomes more critical now than ever.

00:25:54.620 I guess my worry, Dave, is Trump is somehow could become an obstacle to building a pipeline to the west coast because that negates the advantage they get by taking Venezuela, putting its oil back in play.

00:26:07.620 Yeah. Well, Trump made it clear in a water and no Detroit yesterday.

00:26:11.620 He was touring a Ford plant and he was, he was asked about the North American Mexico free trade deal.

00:26:17.620 And he says, doesn't need it anymore.

00:26:19.620 He says he needs nothing from Canada.

00:26:21.620 Doesn't want our cars.

00:26:22.620 Doesn't want our lumber.

00:26:23.620 Doesn't want our aluminum.

00:26:24.620 So he's put Canada on notice that we do need to go looking for, for new markets.

00:26:29.620 I don't think that there's any doubt about that, but, uh, I agree a hundred percent with Nigel.

00:26:36.620 If, uh, if Carney gets all buddy, buddy with, uh, uh, chairman, she, uh, it's, it will upset Trump.

00:26:44.620 What he will do.

00:26:45.620 I mean, who knows what that guy is thinking, right?

00:26:48.620 It's trying to predict him is, is, is a, is a mugs game, but, uh, he, he won't be happy.

00:26:54.620 No doubt about that.

00:26:56.620 You know, there's the, there's an English language newspaper published in Beijing.

00:27:00.620 It's effectively an arm of the Chinese propaganda, uh, ministry is the China daily.

00:27:07.620 But they, what they often do is if there's something coming up, a visit, a publisher, an editorial,

00:27:13.620 and it's an informal way for the government to say what they expect to get out of it.

00:27:18.620 So, you know, Mr. Carney's on his way in.

00:27:20.620 And what is the, what is the China daily editorial talking about?

00:27:25.620 Uh, it starts off with a polite recognition that, uh, Mr. Carney has already made some efforts

00:27:32.620 to, uh, develop a good relationship with China.

00:27:35.620 It takes note of the, uh, you know, the troubles that we've had and blames Canada for looking

00:27:43.620 around for things to complain about.

00:27:46.620 And, uh, you know, obviously why would we complain about Chinese interference? 0.86

00:27:51.620 Well, get over it.

00:27:52.620 And so it's, um, and it has made it known in the past.

00:27:58.620 And here I'm, I'm quoting that it wants to, uh, drop its U S inspired tariffs on Chinese steel,

00:28:05.620 aluminum, and electric vehicles before removing its retaliatory duties on Canadian agriculture and seafood products.

00:28:15.620 So you will sell canola to China.

00:28:17.620 Let us export our Chinese electric cars into your marketplace.

00:28:22.620 Um, so this is all, you can get a very good idea about what the Chinese hope to get out of this.

00:28:28.620 And it all looks like a close trade relationship leading to political domination.

00:28:34.620 Uh, that is what Trump is going to reject.

00:28:38.620 But Canadians should also be looking this arrangement over very carefully.

00:28:43.620 You may not like American domination.

00:28:45.620 You won't like Chinese domination either. 0.91

00:28:47.620 Well, I think there is, look, we're not a great power.

00:28:51.620 So we have to play the great power game between them.

00:28:54.620 Uh, we're very obvious.

00:28:56.620 We're in the American sphere, but we're hyper inside the American sphere of influence.

00:29:00.620 Um, a lot of Canadians might not like to hear it, but guess what?

00:29:03.620 Culturally most Canadians are Americans.

00:29:05.620 They're political Canadians, but they're culturally Americans.

00:29:08.620 We watch American TV.

00:29:09.620 We listen to American music.

00:29:10.620 We eat American food.

00:29:11.620 We drive American cars.

00:29:14.620 Uh, you can't distinguish someone from Saskatchewan one in Minnesota, really.

00:29:19.620 Well, other than their license plate, that's about, that's about the only marker.

00:29:22.620 Um, but we have to play the game a bit.

00:29:26.620 Uh, I mean, the, uh, we, we, we've got these tariffs against, uh, Chinese electric vehicles

00:29:32.620 to protect our non-existent EV industry.

00:29:35.620 The problem is that the feds and Ontario have sunk a gargantuan amount of money into subsidizing these non-industries.

00:29:43.620 Uh, and so to protect those nascent industries, they put a protective tariff wall around it.

00:29:50.620 Um, okay, fine.

00:29:51.620 But then there's obvious consequences to that.

00:29:53.620 And that comes to seafood exports and canola.

00:29:58.620 Luckily for most liberals, West Coast fishermen vote conservative and so do canola farmers.

00:30:01.620 This is not affecting liberal voters all that directly.

00:30:04.620 Uh, at least on the negative side, maybe it helps them on the positive side.

00:30:07.620 Um, so I think you should, you should do a deal there, which we should do a trade deal with, with China.

00:30:12.620 It's not a bad thing to do.

00:30:14.620 Um, but we need to be leery of it because China obviously has a very clear intention of trying 0.98

00:30:19.620 to drive a wedge between us and the States.

00:30:21.620 Uh, Trump's rhetoric is maybe not, has facilitated that quite helpfully to the Chinese interests,

00:30:27.620 but as he's made clear, you can talk to whoever you want, but if you actually get in bed with the Chinese,

00:30:32.620 you're getting a free helicopter ride.

00:30:34.620 Yeah.

00:30:35.620 You know, Derek, one thing that nobody bothers to think about is that in three years less than,

00:30:41.620 Donald Trump will no longer be president of the United States.

00:30:45.620 And you can almost guarantee that things will change at that point.

00:30:50.620 Cause I cannot think of another US politician who has the capacity to do what Trump does the way he does it and pull it off.

00:31:00.620 I don't think that's a given, Nigel.

00:31:03.620 You know what?

00:31:05.620 He's mused about it.

00:31:07.620 Uh, he's too old.

00:31:08.620 He's Airbnb 85.

00:31:09.620 He's too old.

00:31:10.620 Better shaped than Biden.

00:31:12.620 Or, you know, uh, he could put mini me in there.

00:31:15.620 Uh, uh, what's his name?

00:31:17.620 Vance.

00:31:18.620 Vance is.

00:31:19.620 Vance is.

00:31:20.620 Vance is.

00:31:21.620 He's a different kind of cat.

00:31:22.620 Yeah.

00:31:23.620 So, so, you know, maybe, maybe we shouldn't, sir, sign a five year deal with China.

00:31:29.620 Maybe we should just make it for like about two and a half and we'll see how things go in, uh, in 2020.

00:31:36.620 I don't know.

00:31:37.620 This was like a win-win to me.

00:31:38.620 We're not protecting any real industry with EEVs.

00:31:40.620 It's a fake industry that is just purely from subsidies anyway.

00:31:44.620 So like, what are we protecting?

00:31:45.620 We're protecting nothing.

00:31:46.620 And all we're doing is getting tariffs put against our goods that are real and, and hugely important to our economy.

00:31:51.620 It is.

00:31:52.620 Let's talk to occur from the start though.

00:31:53.620 If we see dirt actually start to move between here and BC to get a pipe, even if it's going, there's heavy oil refiners in India that would be thrilled to get our product.

00:32:02.620 But Mark Carney also yesterday went out and met with the first nations lobby group and said, don't worry, we won't do it without your permission.

00:32:08.620 So that seems to be dead in the water either.

00:32:10.620 Mr. Dithers the second, that's another thing with Carney. 0.78

00:32:13.620 He talks a great game, but he's never committed to a damn thing in a whole year in office yet.

00:32:17.620 He just talks and talks and talks and talks. 0.90

00:32:19.620 So we'll see.

00:32:20.620 We'll see what his attitude is when he comes back, but something's got to happen eventually.

00:32:25.620 Okay.

00:32:26.620 Maybe.

00:32:27.620 Yeah.

00:32:28.620 Maybe.

00:32:29.620 Or not.

00:32:30.620 Well, speaking of shifting allegiances, let's talk about the Alberta independence referendum sort of kicking off here.

00:32:40.620 So, yeah, Corey, we, you know, we had Fabio there do his petition and then they get the signatures.

00:32:48.620 You know, good.

00:32:49.620 That's a lot.

00:32:50.620 That's a big task.

00:32:51.620 Very accomplished.

00:32:52.620 So credit where it's due.

00:32:54.620 But credit where it's also due, where they handed this thing in and realized, oh, my God, this will trigger an independence referendum.

00:33:01.620 What do you mean the citizens-initiated referendum will actually generate a referendum?

00:33:06.620 So they essentially kiboshed their own thing after handing it and all they managed to do was waste their own time and effort.

00:33:11.620 But now we've got now it's the opportunity of the pro-independent side organized by the Alberta Prosperity Project here.

00:33:18.620 And they just kind of kicked off the sign now.

00:33:21.620 Yeah.

00:33:22.620 So I mean, to give it a little more background, it looks like there was a bit of a battle between the government and the electoral officer too.

00:33:26.620 I don't think the electoral officer was really keen on the idea of an independence referendum.

00:33:30.620 He used the past legislation, tossed it to a judge.

00:33:33.620 Right when the judge ruled saying they couldn't hold such a referendum, they put out Bill 14, said, okay, fine, we're changing the legislation.

00:33:40.620 And the electoral officer actually threw up his hands.

00:33:43.620 I was talking to Mitch Sylvester.

00:33:44.620 It really caught them by surprise.

00:33:46.620 He said, fine.

00:33:47.620 Here it goes.

00:33:48.620 It's approved.

00:33:49.620 January 2nd, you can start getting your stuff together.

00:33:52.620 So they're scrambling like, holy cow, we were thinking, you know, it's going to be another month or everything else is so small.

00:33:57.620 Yeah.

00:33:58.620 So this is on the go.

00:33:59.620 And, uh.

00:34:00.620 So they got till what?

00:34:01.620 May 2nd then?

00:34:02.620 May 6th.

00:34:03.620 I believe.

00:34:04.620 May 6th.

00:34:05.620 How many signatures?

00:34:06.620 177,000.

00:34:07.620 Realistically, you know, some are going to be declined.

00:34:09.620 They have to get about over 200,000 if it's going to be clearing the hurdles.

00:34:13.620 And their goal, I think, is to beat Fabio and get maybe over 500,000.

00:34:17.620 We'll see.

00:34:18.620 They got four months to work on it.

00:34:19.620 But at least now that they've got something to work on, they've got, you know, their meetings, they've been holding them for months and months and months, but now they're holding them.

00:34:27.620 And I was a guest speaker at one of them on the weekend in Calgary.

00:34:30.620 And people probably saw those pictures on social media.

00:34:33.620 People, I've never seen anything like it.

00:34:34.620 I mean, it was full an hour before we were set to start speaking.

00:34:37.620 Where was it?

00:34:38.620 This is a punny little Queensland community center down in South Calgary. 1.00

00:34:41.620 So the hall was full almost an hour before we started speaking.

00:34:44.620 There was a guy, fire code.

00:34:45.620 We couldn't lay anybody else in.

00:34:46.620 So everybody else was going just to at least sign the petition.

00:34:49.620 And when we finished two hours later and I went outside, people were still sneaking for blocks in the night.

00:34:56.620 And those are the pictures you're seeing in the snow.

00:34:58.620 And that's happening everywhere.

00:35:00.620 It's happening in smaller towns, Biceker, Didsbury, everywhere these guys hold a meeting.

00:35:05.620 People are coming out and just overwhelming it.

00:35:08.620 The eagerness to sign this petition.

00:35:10.620 I mean, this is the honeymoon phase.

00:35:12.620 It's the first week.

00:35:13.620 You know, it'll probably cool down a bit, but there's really something unusual taking place.

00:35:19.620 They caught them off guard, caught me off guard.

00:35:22.620 The fruits, I think of all their work for months and months has finally gotten there.

00:35:26.620 They got something tangible to work on and the people are coming out.

00:35:29.620 And the other thing that's interesting was not only did thousands come out to sign the petition, but of them hundreds signed up to be volunteers for the campaign.

00:35:39.620 And we're in for a hell of a year.

00:35:42.620 That's all I could say.

00:35:43.620 It's going to be something else.

00:35:44.620 Yeah, it's and then we'll have an actual campaign.

00:35:50.620 I don't know when the vote will be held.

00:35:51.620 I mean, governments like to hold them in the fall.

00:35:55.620 You know, Americans have it in early November, but their weather is a bit more forgiving for it.

00:35:58.620 So our elections tend to be I hate these things.

00:36:01.620 These things are always on like my birthday.

00:36:03.620 It's like mid-October they pick. 0.74

00:36:05.620 And like so every second birthday, all my political friends can't can't be with me because it's a friggin election.

00:36:12.620 So, you know, I'd say it's a good bet.

00:36:15.620 We'd be looking at an October or November.

00:36:17.620 If almost the good money is on this year.

00:36:19.620 Yeah, it's I've been talking to some American contacts of mine and they're just shocked.

00:36:25.620 They're shocked.

00:36:26.620 Now, they're on all under the delusion that like, oh, yeah, this is Albertans all clamoring to be the 51st state.

00:36:31.620 Sorry, guys.

00:36:32.620 It's not.

00:36:33.620 There's a few, but it's that's a pretty small fraction of things.

00:36:38.620 Of course, if Alberta did achieve independence, would that be an option on the menu to consider?

00:36:43.620 Oh, well, yeah.

00:36:44.620 So later.

00:36:45.620 Yeah.

00:36:46.620 Get back to me.

00:36:47.620 We got bigger things to do right now.

00:36:49.620 But it's it's happening.

00:36:53.620 Almost certainly we're going to have a vote on independence in Alberta.

00:36:56.620 The polls do not favor the side right now.

00:36:59.620 I if I was going to bet right now, we'd probably get 40%, you know, after campaign, but campaigns matter.

00:37:07.620 I mean, you know, there's a lot of time to move that needle between now and October.

00:37:11.620 When the Quebec government called the referendum that it held in 1995, independent support there was pretty comparable to where it is right here.

00:37:18.620 Right now it was kind of mid thirties, you know, a significant minority, but not there yet.

00:37:23.620 And they got all the way up to forty nine point nine.

00:37:25.620 And, you know, if you ask the guys who were on the side, they think pretty strongly the feds cheated.

00:37:31.620 And we wouldn't put that past them and wouldn't take a lot of cheating to make the difference in that one.

00:37:36.620 Campaigns matter.

00:37:37.620 I I think it's who's going to lead who's going to lead the campaign for the independence party party party or side side because there's like four.

00:37:48.620 Yeah.

00:37:49.620 Who's going to be the chief spokesman for the for the independence group?

00:37:52.620 That's the one thing you're missing right now.

00:37:54.620 Yeah.

00:37:55.620 And it's not going to be Jeff Wrath or if it is, you're going to fail.

00:37:59.620 Uh, you know, they, they, they need to come up with as does the other side.

00:38:02.620 Who's going to be captain Canada.

00:38:04.620 Jason Kenny wants a job and Daniel Smith says she will not have the job.

00:38:10.620 She will sit.

00:38:11.620 So you talked about those two polls, Derek, uh, widely ranging numbers.

00:38:16.620 One had support as low as 17%, which I didn't agree with.

00:38:21.620 The other one was around 35%, which I think is probably more closer to the truth.

00:38:25.620 But, uh, yeah, it's going to be a fun campaign.

00:38:27.620 Yeah.

00:38:28.620 There is no Lucien Bouchard right now or personable person.

00:38:31.620 That is a missing factor, but there are some months.

00:38:33.620 I think the movement can get along until the end of this petitioning portion without having a distinguished individual sort of speaking for them.

00:38:42.620 But there will need to be a focal point.

00:38:44.620 And I have, I really don't have a name jumping in mind.

00:38:47.620 No.

00:38:48.620 Well, and like in the Quebec case, you had the PQ and the, you had the BQ, uh, providing a pool of politicians who are experienced in this kind of thing.

00:38:58.620 This is a naturally political position, somewhat political experience.

00:39:01.620 The federal conservative, how do you be a member of the federal conservative party of Canada and then also lead an independence referendum?

00:39:09.620 But that's pretty hard to square the United conservative party.

00:39:13.620 I mean, it's a little less hard, but it's not explicitly an independence party, even if a clear majority of its members support independence and its voters support independence.

00:39:21.620 So we lack these natural pools from which a natural leader can emerge the way you had with René Levesque or Perizot in the PQ with Lucien Bouchard in the, in the BQ.

00:39:33.620 I don't know.

00:39:34.620 Uh, where does this leader come from?

00:39:38.620 Yes, but I don't have an answer.

00:39:40.620 That is, that is the question of the moment.

00:39:42.620 Um, if I had to go out on a limb, I wouldn't name any names, but I would be looking for among people who have not had anything public to say yet, but who have a lot of money and an interest in the outcome.

00:39:55.620 And, uh, they will arrive and they will, they will be the, um, the promised leader for a period of the, uh, you know, when it matters.

00:40:05.620 But again, it could be anybody we've heard of.

00:40:07.620 It could be very fractious, right?

00:40:08.620 Cause you could have a lot of the independent supporters say, well, I don't really like that person.

00:40:12.620 There's no structure.

00:40:13.620 That's a, are you going to have a leadership leader CQ for a strong leadership convention?

00:40:18.620 I mean, it's all uncharted ground.

00:40:20.620 We've never had a referendum in Alberta before either.

00:40:22.620 So, you know, it's, yeah, this could blow up disastrously or, or somebody might arise that we never anticipated.

00:40:28.620 And this could snowball.

00:40:30.620 Larry Heather.

00:40:31.620 Oh God.

00:40:32.620 That is, that's what we're talking about.

00:40:36.620 There's somebody coming out of nowhere and reaping the harvest.

00:40:40.620 All the other people.

00:40:41.620 He's not the leader we deserve, but he's the hero we need.

00:40:44.620 Harry leather.

00:40:45.620 That was still the best Twitter account.

00:40:47.620 In his life.

00:40:48.620 That was a great, that was a great parody account.

00:40:51.620 Yeah.

00:40:52.620 I think that's the big issue.

00:40:53.620 Um, uh, Jeff Rath seems more intent on fighting with other people that he agrees with on 99.9% of issues.

00:41:00.620 Uh, he makes me look agreeable for crying out.

00:41:04.620 He really does.

00:41:05.620 You know, uh, you haven't, you play a crankball on TV in real life.

00:41:08.620 You're actually fairly agreeable.

00:41:10.620 Uh, undercut his.

00:41:11.620 Yeah.

00:41:12.620 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:13.620 You have a stick as, you know, we all play assholes on TV. 1.00

00:41:17.620 Oh, Corey. 0.99

00:41:18.620 Nigel's actually a nice guy.

00:41:19.620 But, uh, you know, uh, the independence will, it's always been notoriously fractious.

00:41:25.620 That's why there's like four independence parties.

00:41:27.620 They're independence minded in more than one sense.

00:41:31.620 Um, but I mean, we've just kind of got the, the, the cranks will never take a backseat, but like they, they really, you could, you can tell for who this is genuinely about the movement or, and then for those who it's like, this is an opportunity to finally be listened to for once in your life.

00:41:50.620 And, uh, there's a lot of ego in there.

00:41:54.620 Um, uh, I, I, I, I, I'd wrap with this.

00:41:57.620 Uh, Jason Kenney, I think, uh, Monday, you know, was reading him like, uh, here's two guys who disagree on, you know, the status of first nations treaties after independence.

00:42:07.620 These guys are internally incoherent. 1.00

00:42:08.620 A bunch of idiots. 1.00

00:42:09.620 And yeah, to which I responded. 1.00

00:42:11.620 It's like, yes, there is internal disagreement on issues as there has been in every single political coalition that has ever existed.

00:42:19.620 In the history of the world.

00:42:21.620 Your side, the Federalist side, you share a side with Thomas Lukasik.

00:42:26.620 You share a side with Rachel Notley, with Justin Trudeau.

00:42:29.620 Nenshi.

00:42:30.620 Nenshi.

00:42:31.620 You tell me you guys don't have internal contradictions?

00:42:34.620 Uh, you know, so, but for some reason that gets kind of paved over.

00:42:39.620 It's, it's, it's, that scene is more natural.

00:42:41.620 Of course, the Federalists disagree about everything and, and that's normal, but it's, uh, the, you know, the nationalists, uh, if they disagree on some vague point of case law about the status of native treaties post independence.

00:42:55.620 Oh, well then everything's chaos.

00:42:57.620 Yeah.

00:42:58.620 Yeah.

00:42:59.620 You know, if the people who want the United Canada, want to start playing the game smartly, they should get people like Senator Paul, Paula Simons to just back off.

00:43:11.620 A little bit.

00:43:12.620 Yeah.

00:43:13.620 A little bit.

00:43:14.620 Yeah.

00:43:15.620 What she said, uh, what did you have here, Dave? 0.80

00:43:18.620 In a few breaths, she painted the whole Alberta independence move as the xenophobic, racist, misogynist, anti-woman, transphobic, and homophobic.

00:43:29.620 She built the whole bingo. 0.97

00:43:30.620 Sounds like Corey, doesn't it?

00:43:31.620 You know, I mean, that's just a list of my friends.

00:43:33.620 I can't even pronounce this.

00:43:35.620 This is the, you, you go around criticizing Alberta and Alberta people.

00:43:41.620 There's all of those things.

00:43:43.620 The reaction is not going to be, oh, shucks.

00:43:45.620 I guess you're right. 0.98

00:43:46.620 It's going to be, who the hell are you? 0.99

00:43:48.620 Well, she's mimicking, uh, Trudeau hears us, you know, uh, they're racists. 1.00

00:43:51.620 They're sexists. 0.93

00:43:52.620 They're, uh, they deny the science.

00:43:54.620 So you're not winning people over.

00:43:56.620 You're not.

00:43:57.620 Absolutely.

00:43:58.620 So she's living in a world where these words used to have power.

00:44:01.620 Mm-hmm.

00:44:02.620 These words have lost their power.

00:44:04.620 Now you can call me any ism or ist in the world.

00:44:07.620 I don't even deny it anymore.

00:44:09.620 Cause to deny it is to still give it power.

00:44:11.620 Yeah.

00:44:12.620 You just say, I don't care.

00:44:13.620 We don't care. 1.00

00:44:14.620 People are sick of this shit. 1.00

00:44:15.620 That's absolutely right. 1.00

00:44:17.620 Yeah.

00:44:18.620 Okay.

00:44:19.620 That was a fun one to wrap on, I guess.

00:44:21.620 Uh, all right.

00:44:23.620 Uh, now that you've read off, uh, Corey's resume.

00:44:27.620 Are you ruling yourself out?

00:44:29.620 Oh, absolutely.

00:44:30.620 Not a chance.

00:44:31.620 Not where I'm looking at.

00:44:33.620 No, he's, he's this Bengali character in the, uh, in the background.

00:44:36.620 Guy.

00:44:37.620 Showing the control of the strings.

00:44:39.620 Okay.

00:44:40.620 Uh, let's give our first parting shot to Dave.

00:44:42.620 Since Dave actually never really had a parting shot.

00:44:44.620 Cause we, that's kind of a newer feature on the plane plan.

00:44:46.620 It is.

00:44:47.620 My parting shot will be on ambassador, uh, Sears.

00:44:51.620 He was a final ambassador.

00:44:53.620 Canada had to, uh, Afghanistan and he cowardly fled, uh, Kabul in a half empty plane, uh, leaving hundreds and hundreds of Canadians behind.

00:45:04.620 Uh, he has finally admitted after several years that it wasn't his best moment.

00:45:08.620 It's, uh, our own captain of the cost of Concordia.

00:45:11.620 Exactly.

00:45:13.620 All right.

00:45:14.620 Quite real quick for that.

00:45:15.620 Uh, for people who know cartoons, Scott Adams, who used to do Dilbert, uh, passed away from prostate and cancer a couple of days ago.

00:45:21.620 But who I'm shooting at wasn't him.

00:45:23.620 Those cartoon was great.

00:45:24.620 Uh, was the Associated Press who put out the notice of it since Scott Adams, uh, Dilbert died.

00:45:31.620 By the way, right in the headline, he was canceled and shut down because he'd said racist things on X.

00:45:36.620 You couldn't even just announce the man passed without carrying on posthumously your cancel culture because he said something off color on X.

00:45:45.620 Oh, I thought they meant it as a compliment.

00:45:47.620 Yeah.

00:45:48.620 There you go.

00:45:49.620 Certainly powerless against Mr. Adams.

00:45:51.620 Now. 1.00

00:45:52.620 Anyways, uh, either way to the person who wrote the headline, go to hell. 1.00

00:45:56.620 Uh, Nigel. 0.99

00:45:57.620 Yeah.

00:45:58.620 So Dave, I was actually, uh, comment on that story.

00:46:01.620 You had about 105,000 Canadians went out of the country.

00:46:06.620 You received medical treatment.

00:46:09.620 That's a lot of money.

00:46:11.620 Just get in wherever they went is a lot of money.

00:46:14.620 And then they're paying for treatment.

00:46:16.620 We, so I love Ralph Klein, but Ralph Klein so blew it 25 years ago with bill 11, instead of banning private medicine in Alberta, they should have said, come to Alberta, build your hospital here.

00:46:31.620 We'll give you a business and people, instead of going to Jordan or wherever, or any of the other popular medical tourism sites, we'd be coming to Alberta and Albertans would be getting the benefit of it.

00:46:43.620 This whole thing that, you know, if you listen to the radio right now, the doctors and the nurses are panning the government all the time.

00:46:49.620 It's pure rubbish, but this should never have happened.

00:46:53.620 We should have built hospitals and told the world to come to us and charge the outsiders and make it cheaper for Albertans. 0.95

00:46:59.620 Ironically, Alberta leads the country in number of patients leaving for the U.S.

00:47:04.620 There you go.

00:47:05.620 Yeah.

00:47:06.620 All right.

00:47:07.620 Well, because we're out of time and because I actually didn't do my homework and actually get a parting shot, uh, we're gonna put a pen in it there.

00:47:14.620 Right.

00:47:15.620 Dave, Nigel, Corey.

00:47:16.620 Thank you very much.

00:47:17.620 Thank you.

00:47:18.620 And John, running production.

00:47:19.620 Thank you.

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