Western Standard - The Pipeline： Kenney says F＊＊＊ Yiu to AHS CEO

00:00:00.000 Good evening, I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard, and you're watching

00:00:24.120 the pipeline. Today is April 6, 2022. Boy, we got a fun show for you. Allocations of

00:00:32.320 unethical mass membership sales in the UCP as we head towards Jason Kenney's controversial

00:00:40.440 belated leadership review vote. Also, oh yeah, Brian Jean. Is he going to be allowed in the

00:00:51.820 UCP caucus. He's not elected, he's been nominated, but he's not in the UCP caucus. He's going to be

00:00:58.760 sworn in tomorrow. But big question for me, but will he be allowed to sit as a UCPMI or is he

00:01:03.220 going to sit in Siberia? I don't know. And also FU says Jason Kenney. Jason Kenney fires. What's

00:01:10.460 the full interview? Dr. Bernie Yu. Dr. Bernie Yu. Kenny told her to get lost, fired. Big shake-up

00:01:18.000 at Alberta Health Services.

00:01:19.600 We're going to talk about what that might mean

00:01:20.880 and what the hell's going on.

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00:02:49.380 This is Tweedledee and Tweedledum, also known as Dave Naylor, our news editor,

00:02:53.900 and Corey Morgan, our opinion and broadcast editor.

00:02:56.700 I don't know if anyone cares.

00:02:58.640 They're just here to see me.

00:03:00.060 It's your show.

00:03:00.840 Yeah.

00:03:01.840 It's a pipeline.

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00:03:07.300 I'm trying really hard.

00:03:09.280 My new favorite headline of the day, FU.

00:03:12.580 Dave, tell us why Kenny said FU.

00:03:15.420 Well, because he wasn't happy with the performance of AHS head, Dr.

00:03:19.560 Bernadieu. She's been in charge since the pandemic, obviously, making a pretty 0.98

00:03:24.920 penny with bonuses over 600 grand a year.

00:03:28.120 And it was, you know, AHS orders probably likely from the government that led to

00:03:36.220 the closure of the Grace Lloyd Church and the eventual arrest of Pastor James

00:03:41.360 coax. AHS orders led to the arrest of Pastor Arnold Pawlowski and Tim Stevens in Calgary,

00:03:48.380 led to businesses being shutted across the province. So as the pandemic sort of lifts

00:03:56.360 and the UCP and Peter Kenny are struggling in the polls and Kenny's struggling with the

00:04:02.220 leadership, I think they're looking for a sacrificial layup. And they fired Dr. Yu,

00:04:09.260 gave her a nice half million dollar going away present though which is just pretty good which

00:04:15.360 is pretty good but i mean let's face it guys the ahs is the most simple most bureaucratic

00:04:21.680 overly staffed organization in the province dozens of vice presidents uh you know you think

00:04:28.640 of the poor staff there and they got all this level of bureaucracy to deal with it's no wonder

00:04:33.180 they go a bit crazy sometimes so it's going to be interesting to see who they bring in whether

00:04:37.860 be a doctor or a businessman, but as of now, Dr. Yu out.

00:04:42.440 I was going to say, Corey, that let's talk about the policy of this before we get to

00:04:46.280 the politics of it, but I have a really hard time trying to separate the two here.

00:04:52.080 Dr. Yu, I believe, was appointed under Rachel Notley and the previous NDP government.

00:04:59.700 I mean, you give some indication about where her priorities are that align with the previous

00:05:03.620 cdp government um do you i guess it's impossible to separate the policies from the politics on

00:05:10.660 this one i think kenny is clearly trying to say you did it uh i didn't do all this stuff

00:05:18.180 see what i did there you did it i thank you going you're here all week don't forget to tip the

00:05:24.100 waitress um kenny's trying to say you did it that uh she's maybe the one more responsible for all

00:05:32.680 this that's not actually the way it works at the end of the day these are political decisions made

00:05:37.880 by the cabinet or executive council by cabinet order um how responsible was you though in

00:05:46.600 these pandemic restrictions in the different restrictions and whatnot that took place

00:05:51.320 does she actually have anything to do with that or is she just really managing the healthcare system 1.00

00:05:54.760 yeah no that's between bringer kenny and hinshaw if he wants to deflect towards you

00:05:59.800 so be it i guess but when it came to policies on the management of Albertans uh you had nothing to

00:06:06.280 do with that that wasn't her decision she might have perhaps offered advice to cabinet and such

00:06:11.080 on that but something i mean performance wise though i mean kenny's been quiet on it that can

00:06:17.240 be pointed out is we're two years into this pandemic and our icu capacity still seems to

00:06:21.320 be the same as it ever was and we put extra billions of dollars into the system that lands

00:06:25.800 on you's lap because she is the manager of the AHS. You should see some results out of all of

00:06:31.240 that, or at least that's, we don't know the reasoning why she got fired, but that's more

00:06:35.320 in her wheelhouse, you know, rather than, but if people can see that as somebody being blamed,

00:06:40.120 you know, the people who are upset with the restrictions, people upset with the vaccine

00:06:43.320 passport and that, I'm sure Peter Kaye is more than happy if it looks like he's addressed that

00:06:48.440 issue put people angry with it but it's late on you

00:06:56.280 we could do this all day this is going to get painful yeah um

00:07:04.920 okay so like dave all right how tight do you think this is to the leadership

00:07:09.960 vote coming up um you know in uh the interview that

00:07:13.560 kenny did with you about a month and a half or so ago

00:07:17.640 Kenny was talking about some pretty big health care changes coming up. For all the baddies on

00:07:23.000 these sounded like pretty bold transformative health care policies, definitely not doing

00:07:28.520 well with the government monopoly system, but actually in a sense breaking the monopoly a

00:07:33.880 little bit, allowing for some more private health care in it. How much of this do you think is him

00:07:39.240 preparing the road for significant policy changes in health care versus how much do you think this

00:07:44.840 is trying to put up a scapegoat here to try and save his bacon on May 11th in his leadership

00:07:53.240 vote? I think it's a bit of both, Derek. You know, as he mentioned in his interview with me,

00:07:58.400 he's hinted at moving procedures out of the union on the hospitals so they can do cheaper.

00:08:03.760 All sorts of stuff. There is going to be some major privatization moves in the healthcare

00:08:09.000 system. You know, that much is coming in the next short little while. There was a protest

00:08:14.240 today in front of the legislature, 250 people already complaining about it. Any people that

00:08:20.380 are raised will know, he's already in a TISWAS, you know, we're going to ruin healthcare.

00:08:26.180 What's a TISWAS? Angry. Fit. Did you make up this word? No, TISWAS. It's a good British 0.87

00:08:33.460 word all of us that's another big british word uh so the timing i'm sure has got probably a lot

00:08:41.140 to do with it uh but uh if they want to uh if they want to move ahead with some of these bold things

00:08:46.580 which they obviously do they're going to need a leader in there ahead of the ahs that has the

00:08:51.860 same sort of philosophy right but uh dr you likely would have fought tooth and nail uh against these

00:08:58.340 changes so i should run the ahs what was your resume if you're entitled to the standard i'm

00:09:05.940 going to go around the ahs okay i'll be back in a week because i'm going to burn the whole thing 0.76

00:09:11.380 down run away run away okay um well okay let's let's now turn let me turn this directly to the

00:09:20.980 leadership question uh you know we've got this absolute shambles of process that uh you know

00:09:29.940 kenny puts in place a series of rules or has his party war put in place series of rules that he 0.98

00:09:34.340 thinks to go advantage him he gets his ass kicked in those rules it's very clear he's going to lose

00:09:39.620 the leadership uh review vote so they pull the plug on that they add roughly five weeks to the 0.97

00:09:45.700 campaign period in addition to what there would have been and they changed the format of it now

00:09:50.340 mail-in votes. Mail-in votes are now pretty damn different in how we do this. And we've now had

00:09:57.540 two stories broken exclusively for the Western Standard from our Manitoba political columnist,

00:10:03.380 Linda Slobodian, about mass sign-ups and some shenanigans around our people actually knowing or

00:10:12.260 are they paying for their memberships in the UCB. Break down kind of those two stories that are

00:10:17.300 pretty closely conjoined for us. When the mail-in vote was announced, people were,

00:10:22.500 you know, saying that it just could lead to all sorts of problems and obviously it looks like it

00:10:30.660 has. One of our sources within the party has told us that late in the game, before they cut off the

00:10:38.420 voting data it was uh we're taking uh 5 000 ecd memberships were bought using only a very small

00:10:46.260 number of credit cards uh the party uh denies this uh no no no they did not deny that they

00:10:53.780 just denied that it was against the rules they didn't deny that there were 5 000 late signups

00:11:00.020 uh primarily not to make writings from a small number of credit cards they didn't deny that

00:11:04.740 have to be clear they just denied that there was anything nefarious about it

00:11:09.780 the other story uh when we broke today was a gentleman called the malik

00:11:14.340 chuck woody he was an edmonton mayor of the academy he said that no

00:11:23.860 uh he attended a uh speech by by jason kenny mid-march in edmonton mosque three uh islam

00:11:33.700 groups had joined together and there was about a hundred of them there and uh chuck rudy malik

00:11:40.340 chuck rudy uh said he bought a uh twice said he bought a membership earlier in the process

00:11:46.820 when it was thought to be right here and he paid his 99 dollars so mr chuck rudy decided

00:11:53.060 at this meeting he was going to sign up again just to see what would happen so the party was

00:11:58.500 allegedly he says just encouraging people to sign their names and uh with no cash being

00:12:05.780 exchanged so he he says that jason kenny was at this event he did he was speaking

00:12:12.180 and that they were encouraged to sign up there was no talk of actually paying for the memberships

00:12:17.140 exactly uh the party uh said afterwards of malik chakoudi three uh they had they found no record

00:12:27.220 of them in the in the process uh we talked to miss malik chakoudi again later on today

00:12:34.820 and he's we affirmed his story he said he did uh he did the party earlier and he did sign up again

00:12:40.740 after free so it calls into question the whole process um again the party replied well as long

00:12:49.780 as they're signing the form uh then it's up to them they're the ones that have signed the

00:12:55.540 authorization form so if they're not giving us any money oh no they'll be disqualified so yeah

00:13:02.500 yeah what they've said is there's a box you have to check before you sign your name saying

00:13:06.100 I swear I'm a permanent resident of Alberta

00:13:09.980 and a couple things, and I have paid for this myself.

00:13:15.160 I'm saying it's on them.

00:13:16.820 But they were doing a membership sign-up here

00:13:18.720 and allegedly not collecting any money for it.

00:13:22.320 Yes.

00:13:23.020 Yeah.

00:13:23.640 So that's just two instances.

00:13:26.700 And predictions are obviously coming true.

00:13:29.200 This can turn into a chaotic mess.

00:13:34.420 Corey.

00:13:36.100 This is, we don't know if anything's actually technically gone wrong here, but let's say, we can't say if there's fire, but there's a hell of a lot of smoke, and this smoke looks just like a lot of the things that Kenny and his team are still under criminal investigation for from the RCMP going back to the 2017 UCP leadership race.

00:14:02.260 i've got a rule of thumb never commit more than one crime at a time

00:14:06.940 you know if you're going to be drunk and disorderly don't fire your guns

00:14:11.180 if you fire your guns don't be drunk and disorderly at the same time you pick one

00:14:15.860 thing at a time and

00:14:17.700 how likely is it do you think that they're repeating at least what they're

00:14:24.020 alleged to have done in the 2017 leadership campaign

00:14:26.700 i mean it's such a mess you gotta be really careful here it could be

00:14:31.540 supporting groups without the knowledge of the premier or whatnot,

00:14:35.660 but it's always stinks.

00:14:36.580 It stinks a lot.

00:14:37.780 We're seeing what it looks like abusive process.

00:14:39.900 Something not many people have asked,

00:14:41.100 but realizing that such a spike of memberships just before the membership

00:14:44.300 cutoff,

00:14:44.880 only somebody knowing that the format was going to change would change to

00:14:48.360 that tactic because theoretically until the membership cutoff came,

00:14:52.160 nobody knew that it was going to be a one member,

00:14:55.580 one vote.

00:14:56.020 So you would only have any advantage in selling $99 attendees.

00:15:00.440 So why are people suddenly selling thousands of $10 memberships, whether they're selling them or not, just before they cut off, it's as if they knew that it was going to be extended.

00:15:11.160 That stinks as well.

00:15:13.300 Surely you're not suggesting the cutting team knew that the rules would be radically changed in their favor.

00:15:18.700 I don't know.

00:15:19.740 It seems as if somebody knew it anyways, or maybe they just had a good crystal ball and speculated that that was what was going to happen down the road.

00:15:28.860 But I mean, there's so many flags and alarms going off right now. And again,

00:15:33.020 the mistrust that's being built in this process, after it's done, nobody is going to trust these

00:15:37.820 results. Nobody. I think Corey's right. That's the key. Whether Kenny gets 75% support or 51%

00:15:44.700 support, no one will believe it because this is a tainted process. No matter what happens from

00:15:50.460 no one in it's a tainted process. Corey, I want to come back to you. Rick Warman, he's a former

00:15:57.980 PC cabinet minister, represented a Northeast, heavily ethnic minority constituency back in

00:16:03.660 the 90s and I think maybe the late 80s as well. He's been appointed the chief returning officer

00:16:09.500 to oversee the voting process here. Our columnist Linda Silvodian reached out to him for comment on

00:16:16.540 these last minute 5 000 memberships and shenanigans allegedly going on here with this

00:16:24.540 and his response was that i can't quote him directly i don't have his quotes in my mind

00:16:28.860 but he essentially said it's uh shameful uh effectively i don't think he's the word racist

00:16:34.060 but more or less said it's racist uh to be uh saying that says that anything to do with uh

00:16:40.060 ethnic groups implying that you know they they vote in blocks and that they're not voting as

00:16:45.420 individuals. Is there any truth to what he's saying? No, it's short into the form. It's somebody

00:16:56.220 expecting you to step around on a little delicate area, but Ormond knows it as well as anybody,

00:17:01.740 that areas such as Northeast Calgary, where I've worked on campaign campaigns with before. I mean,

00:17:06.780 there's a lot of individuals of all sorts of ethnic groups that vote for different parties.

00:17:10.540 I mean, they have their own minds, of course they do. But there are also some very tight

00:17:14.700 communities of often non-politically involved ethnic individuals and they're very close with

00:17:20.860 certain community leaders and they will vote and act as those community leaders direct. I mean the

00:17:26.700 campaign goes more to those community leaders rather than the individuals on the ground

00:17:30.540 and that's when suddenly bulk finding of memberships becomes a heck of a lot more effective

00:17:34.540 in those types of areas than they are in others. It's not a matter of racism, it's cultural

00:17:39.820 differences in recognizing them and then in this case working room and anyway like you know when

00:17:45.820 i was in politics i was i door knocked up there for over 30 days straight during a by-election

00:17:50.700 calgary greenway and anyone who's done politics in these neighborhoods who tells you that there's no

00:17:58.300 you know kind of group solidarity in some cases never 100 but you know that you get the right

00:18:04.860 right community leaders to come on with you.

00:18:07.240 Anyone who tells you that's not the case is not telling the truth.

00:18:10.540 That's clearly the biggest part.

00:18:12.520 The reason Wild Rose lost the by-election up there by a couple of dozen votes was

00:18:17.580 because we were not as good at that kind of politics, and Wild Rose was playing those 0.90

00:18:22.060 politics.

00:18:22.620 All the parties were playing.

00:18:23.680 And outside of race, for example, I mean, if somebody was campaigning to a local church

00:18:27.100 that was predominantly Canadian-born people there and everything, but if a local pastor

00:18:30.840 says, hey, I'd really like the congregation to vote for such and such, the whole congregation

00:18:36.060 wouldn't, but a large number of them would, because they respect that leader and they're

00:18:39.700 going to move that way. It doesn't do with race. It's just a means of getting a large

00:18:43.880 collection of people together and trying to move them together.

00:18:46.520 So let's give you a run to something, some of the thunder a little bit. How this is tanking

00:18:52.820 the process? I mean, the process was already kind of tanked before they radically changed

00:18:58.300 rules because it was designed to play to kenny strength to have an in-person meeting with

00:19:02.460 large registration fees 99 bucks 150 bucks you know when you register you have to organize

00:19:08.140 mobilize two red beer so it was already kind of tainted but okay it was it was more or less

00:19:14.380 accepted as as such uh and then they radically changed the rules i think that completely blew

00:19:20.860 all credibility of it already then like it was before these we had these stories started coming

00:19:24.940 out uh yesterday for the western standard and more today i think that process was already shattered

00:19:31.180 um do you think you know these two stories we've got from here and let's just repeat these are

00:19:37.660 allegations but actual the one today that we released is an allegation the one from yesterday

00:19:42.460 about 5 000 last minute members using a couple of credit cards uh that's not an allegation anymore

00:19:47.420 the party has more or less confirmed it by not denying it so is there any way for the party and

00:19:56.780 for kenny to salvage the credibility or the reputation of this process so that if he manages

00:20:03.020 to sweep this out anybody believes it no nothing for that well i was impersonating my hero uh no

00:20:12.620 there's nothing they can do now uh now derrick the horse is out of the barn so to speak um it

00:20:20.380 was tainted the process became tainted the first time they changed it okay i'll give you the fact

00:20:24.620 that it was leaning towards kenny but to drive to vanguard to drive to what red deer and pay the 99

00:20:30.700 bucks that that was obviously to kenny's benefit but every change since has been beaten to kenny's

00:20:36.460 benefit uh and his his strength so to me i was not gobsmacked by any stories coming in of uh of

00:20:45.900 allegations uh you knew you knew they were coming you could predict it you didn't need to be a

00:20:50.700 fortune dollar uh to predict it uh and uh yeah i mean the process is so tainted now you know

00:20:58.300 there's still people there's still people questioning kenny's leadership from 2017 so

00:21:02.940 So imagine if he wins, the question is, I'm going to be dogging him year after year, election after election.

00:21:09.380 If he wins, I have a feeling he gets one more election after that.

00:21:12.900 And then Rachel Notley is premier.

00:21:14.880 Yeah, exactly.

00:21:15.920 So, yeah, there's no way they can have a safe place.

00:21:19.300 I don't think.

00:21:20.520 Do you?

00:21:22.440 Absolutely.

00:21:23.180 It's already, it's so far beyond cooked.

00:21:25.600 It's so far beyond foobar.

00:21:28.160 There is no good outcome for Kenya at this point.

00:21:31.940 No.

00:21:32.060 If Kenny manages, through hook or crook, to stay as UCB leader after May 11th, that party is over.

00:21:45.640 Say what you want about Alison Redford.

00:21:47.920 She saw that she could read the TV news.

00:21:50.020 She saw the writing on the wall and left.

00:21:52.200 Same thing with, you go back to Ed Stelman, go back to Ralph Klein.

00:21:56.040 They all got much higher percentages in support than Jason Kenny ever is likely to.

00:22:02.060 But they saw the writing on the wall, so they left.

00:22:05.180 Why can't this premier see the writing on the wall?

00:22:08.560 Well, Corey, Jason Kenney's going around saying he is the only man who can lead the party.

00:22:13.980 The party will be divided without him.

00:22:18.160 Do you think he really believes that?

00:22:20.560 Like, in his heart of hearts, Jason Kenney's sitting on a rocking chair, drinking, you know, some tea, 11 o'clock at night.

00:22:29.880 Does he really believe that?

00:22:31.500 You know, I don't know well enough to know if he's convinced himself of that or not.

00:22:35.440 But he's a person who's desperate.

00:22:36.660 Part of the problem is Kenny is a pure political animal.

00:22:40.020 He's not a lawyer who got into it and can fall back to his practice later.

00:22:43.760 He's not, you know, a carpenter for that matter.

00:22:46.540 He's a politician and he's hit his apex.

00:22:49.440 And if he loses this job, he's done.

00:22:51.520 It's retirement.

00:22:52.380 It's finished.

00:22:52.880 And he's the only man in the script.

00:22:54.060 I think that's part of why his back is against that wall as well.

00:22:57.340 I mean, Stelmack can go back to the farm.

00:22:59.220 Redford can go back to law.

00:23:01.000 Jenny only has one thing, and this is it.

00:23:04.000 Yeah, but he'll have a nice pension from all his years.

00:23:06.000 He's not going to be down at the Calvary Food Bank, is he?

00:23:10.000 No.

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00:25:29.640 try and sign them up in there as a sponsor ah then you can mention their name i had it for lunch

00:25:36.360 i brought leftovers so thanks for sharing that's not yours i paid 39 of that pizza i'm not sharing

00:25:41.480 it. It almost cost me the full Bitcoin. Okay. Brian Jean, DJ, elected in the Fort McMurray

00:25:53.140 Laclavish. Is it Laclavish or Laclavish? Laclavish. Laclavish. DJ was elected. I was

00:26:04.200 shocked he was allowed to be the UCP candidate. I think the only reason he was allowed to

00:26:08.860 Stan B's at the nomination.

00:26:10.100 The Kenny team were convinced they were going to trounce him in the nomination.

00:26:13.920 Through their horror, he won the nomination.

00:26:16.860 And then they really didn't have much choice.

00:26:18.600 Guy got elected in the supermajority in the by-election.

00:26:22.140 He is now being sworn in tomorrow.

00:26:25.260 Dave, I know, Lynn is going to call him up, but run us down.

00:26:28.740 What are we expecting tomorrow when Brian Jean is sworn in as an MLA?

00:26:32.680 Nobody really knows.

00:26:33.900 It'll be a surprise.

00:26:34.760 Like you, I'll be gobsmacked if they let him into the caucus, because the damage you can do in caucus for being untold, he's vowed to work within the caucus to unseat Jason Kenney. So, I mean, why would Kenney let him in?

00:26:50.760 And Linda in her column, there's all sorts of complicated ways to get around it. 0.95

00:26:59.900 But again, you have the leadership coming up.

00:27:02.880 Does Kenny look petty by doing this?

00:27:07.220 He's in a no-win situation.

00:27:09.540 He's in a lot of no-win situations.

00:27:10.760 A lot of no-win situations.

00:27:12.260 And keep in mind, voting starts on Saturday for the mail-in vote.

00:27:17.520 So what he does tomorrow, what Kenny does tomorrow with Brian Jean,

00:27:20.760 could have an effect on the way some people won't so tomorrow's gonna be a very interesting day

00:27:27.720 okay there's so many freaking scenarios that came out here so we're gonna have to

00:27:31.400 game out the most likely ones and the most likely ones are batshit crazy let's remember this is 0.91

00:27:36.040 madness but none of it's surprising because we are just in the most insane and mad political

00:27:42.120 world in Alberta right now um so the UCP rules require that to expel a member of the caucus

00:27:49.320 requires a vote of the caucus the constitution is pretty silent on letting someone into the caucus

00:27:57.400 normally that's because in every other place on the planet when someone wins a by-election for

00:28:02.600 your party and they've got the nomination well you're you welcome them hey we want a

00:28:06.920 by-election we kept that seat or we picked up that seat well come on in cory um what what is

00:28:15.080 What is the most likely scenario?

00:28:17.400 Is Gene by tomorrow night going to be a part of the UCP caucus or is he going to be sitting

00:28:21.560 in Siberia as an independent?

00:28:23.140 My prediction is that Kenny's going to let him in and bury him in the backbench as deeply

00:28:27.240 as he can.

00:28:28.240 Because he's still got a lot more control over Gene that way than if he's sitting over

00:28:32.080 as an independent.

00:28:33.080 If he's buried as a backbencher, I mean, he's going to be working the caucus anyways.

00:28:37.320 Even if you take him out, he's going to be in the cafeteria.

00:28:39.320 He's going to be outside.

00:28:40.320 He's going to be on the phone.

00:28:41.320 He's going to be on email.

00:28:42.320 We know he's going to be doing it.

00:28:43.320 that much advantage being in but when he's sitting in the legislature he's not going to be called on

00:28:48.200 to answer any questions he's not even going to be giving the parties puffers but if he's in across

00:28:52.680 the aisle he'll be able to get a few moments between now and the leadership to stand up

00:28:56.680 and rip into canning in the legislature so i think it'll be to kimmy's advantage at least if only 0.95

00:29:01.640 till you know voting costs the mail-in just stuff them into the back benches and take the beating

00:29:06.600 he'll get and move on as you said it's no way in any other way but this is well that's a more

00:29:10.760 really i think it's very insightful potential way this plays out so the rules are if you are a

00:29:17.340 member of a caucus who gets to ask the questions in question period which is really what the press

00:29:22.200 is watching is decided by the party's house leader house leaders just really do and that's

00:29:26.960 jason nixon not the best friend of brian gene he used to be a key backer of brian gene until

00:29:32.500 the last leadership race and he all of a sudden switched uh to team kenny away from team gene

00:29:38.140 um if he's in the ucb caucus i would be willing to pretty good money he never ever ever gets a

00:29:45.900 question a question period if he's an independent he'll probably get one a week and that one a week

00:29:50.800 he makes a bit of a splash out of you you get a question and you get a member statement

00:29:55.720 he won't get any member statements and he won't get any questions if he's in the ucb caucus his

00:30:00.820 only chances to speak then will really be uh during debates on bills and it's really harder

00:30:06.700 to make this point then you know we're debating the you know pharmaceuticals regulation update act

00:30:12.860 1986 it's hard to parlay that into kenny's an sop and here's why he should go uh do you think he's

00:30:20.940 going to let is is it in kenny's interest to let him into the caucus it may be uh and obviously

00:30:27.420 it's in his interest not to let him speak then the question is what does gene do gene's not going to

00:30:32.700 sit quietly in the back benches maybe he's going to hold a press conference on something uh you

00:30:38.780 know if the government does something nothing to stop ryan gene from having a press conference

00:30:42.140 opposing you know that's the that's when it becomes the point okay now do we kick him out

00:30:47.420 so let him in sure fine but the first time he crosses there breaks ucp ranks and he's going

00:30:56.460 to you know he's going to where else he wouldn't even run for it uh first time he does that then

00:31:01.580 that's when it gets interesting and whether or not the uh the caucus folks so at the risk of getting

00:31:07.340 a little too inside of baseball here there's procedural issues around this kenny cannot

00:31:13.260 unilaterally kick gene out he needs a vote of the caucus almost all the time the leader always can

00:31:18.380 bully his way through it but he barely had the votes to kick out todd lowen uh he was

00:31:24.940 had a bit more of a cup of room for kicking out Drew Barnes, but not by much.

00:31:30.060 From what I understand, the UCP caucus, the reason Kenny's not kicking out all of his

00:31:34.420 critics now is he doesn't have to have the votes to kick out his critics, because his

00:31:38.500 critics are now too big in number.

00:31:41.060 Now, the reason the UCP, he didn't allow a secret ballot vote of non-confidence in his

00:31:47.340 leadership back last fall is because they're, in an open vote in the caucus, he can whip

00:31:54.040 his cabinet. You want to be in the cabinet, you have to support the premier on all votes.

00:31:58.220 You can't go against them, but the premier wants. So if he lets Gene into caucus and

00:32:05.720 wants to kick him out, that's a secret ballot to vote. And he probably wouldn't have the

00:32:10.040 votes to kick out Gene. But he could probably stop him from being allowed in without a vote,

00:32:15.780 period. He could say, hey, there's nothing in the rules on it, so I'm declaring that

00:32:18.480 no vote's necessary. If you want there to be a secret ballot vote, you're going to have

00:32:21.840 have a non-secret ballot vote verse on the motion to have a vote and then he can see sitting around

00:32:27.360 the caucus table how do my ministers vote and he looks at them and says okay you're whipped you're

00:32:32.320 in the top you're in the cabinet you vote with the premier and that's about a third of the caucus is

00:32:36.320 the cabinet he then just needs to pick up a sliver of the back bench that's still loyal to him

00:32:42.400 and then and then he controls it well i guess what happens then after the leadership vote is announced

00:32:47.280 say kenny stays with a very small majority 52 percent then though there's a lot of those

00:32:53.440 caucus members now say okay we're screwed in the next election we're going to lose

00:32:58.880 and they start bailing on kenny and they start maybe saying okay yeah this i'm going to speak

00:33:04.960 up i'm now going to speak up because i'm going to lose my job in less than a year and that way that

00:33:10.240 way gene gets more powerful well look if kenny manages to hold on through this the caucus the

00:33:16.080 the party is over. Gene will be gone, and I won't name names here because I won't expose

00:33:20.860 sources, but I think they're going to lose easily another half dozen. They go sit with

00:33:24.760 Todd Mullen and Drew Barnes. We've now got a caucus that will be getting near a dozen

00:33:28.420 members. That's a big opposition party at that point. And we're right back to Wild Rose

00:33:34.080 versus BC's at that point. It's over. That's why I'll ask you both. Is there any, however

00:33:42.060 or small a chance. Is there any

00:33:44.060 way Kenny comes out

00:33:46.040 of this okay?

00:33:48.740 If he wins, no.

00:33:49.960 If he loses, if he goes gracefully.

00:33:53.160 And

00:33:53.560 allows for a quick leadership election.

00:33:56.220 If he wins, not a chance.

00:33:58.600 Is that the best case scenario

00:33:59.860 for Kenny? That he just exit gracefully?

00:34:02.020 I just don't see it.

00:34:03.940 I mean, you know, you've proven wrong on this.

00:34:05.860 Everything's so unprecedented so far, but

00:34:07.900 as you said, if the

00:34:09.960 vote was as high as 90%,

00:34:11.540 In favor of Kenny, nobody would trust that.

00:34:14.000 And if it's anything less than 80, it's not going to be considered strong enough after all this finagling.

00:34:19.220 So I just don't see that.

00:34:21.520 Interesting to note that the polls are showing the UCP increasing.

00:34:25.700 They're known as statistical dead heat for the NDP.

00:34:28.560 But the dislike of Kenny is still very, very high.

00:34:31.860 Well, some of them have the UCP within two points.

00:34:34.880 So what's in the margin?

00:34:35.720 Yeah, statistical.

00:34:36.540 Other polls have still got them back about eight points.

00:34:39.920 So it depends which one for Hollywood. 0.97

00:34:41.540 you know everybody uh if you agree with a poll then of course it's the most legitimate damn 0.89

00:34:46.260 poll that's ever existed yeah don't like the ball packs garbage but whatever the poll is none of them 0.68

00:34:51.220 have kenny publicly publicly supported by any more than one before no his his personal members

00:34:58.260 are still in the toilet frankly i don't even think there is such a thing as graceful exit

00:35:02.740 at this point because of the games that have been played around the vote i don't think he

00:35:06.500 you know he did step down and gave a you know gentlemanly concession speech i don't think that

00:35:12.420 is still a graceful exit at this point because of the games that i played the rules trying to stick

00:35:16.500 around can't really claim that he's respected democracy here but what it may do is give the

00:35:22.020 ucp a chance to get themselves organized again so best case scenario for kenny is he

00:35:31.060 he leaves as gracefully as possible.

00:35:35.440 That's the best case for his legacy and the party.

00:35:39.540 Yeah.

00:35:40.220 At this point, I think he should be planning legacy

00:35:42.760 because he will not be the premier this time next year.

00:35:46.440 It's either some other UCD leader is going to be premier

00:35:50.360 or it's going to be Rachel Lowe.

00:35:51.660 I just cannot see a scenario where he's a premier.

00:35:56.620 Okay, well, we're going to wrap it up there.

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00:36:14.680 Dave,

00:36:15.720 Corey,

00:36:16.740 I had a joy today.

00:36:18.200 No,

00:36:18.860 no one comes here

00:36:19.480 to see you guys.

00:36:20.940 Well,

00:36:21.160 it's all you, man.

00:36:22.300 Thank you for carrying us.

00:36:24.280 Thank you for allowing us

00:36:25.540 on your coattails.

00:36:26.400 Good to know I'm not too.

00:36:27.660 Well,

00:36:28.560 in fact,

00:36:29.200 well you're you're too kind too kind you know thank you all uh for joining us tonight

00:36:38.740 and don't bless

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