Western Standard - THE PIPELINE： Killing gun rights, ostriches, and the notwithstanding clause

00:00:00.000 G'day, today is September 24th, 2025.

00:00:29.080 I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard.

00:00:31.900 You're watching The Pipeline.

00:00:33.600 I'm joined by my usual crew of good friends here,

00:00:37.060 former Western Standard opinion editor, Nigel Hannaford.

00:00:40.200 Here again, on time.

00:00:42.140 Yeah, Western Standard senior Alberta columnist, Corey Morgan.

00:00:44.940 Always a pleasure.

00:00:46.400 And Western Standard BC columnist, Elise Mills.

00:00:51.720 Hi, guys.

00:00:53.520 Coming to us from the left coast.

00:00:54.960 Okay, well, there's a common theme today about

00:00:59.080 killing good things.

00:01:01.600 Killing the notwithstanding clause.

00:01:05.480 Moves by the feds to fight the use of the notwithstanding clause in Quebec

00:01:10.860 around some of the usual Quebec Frenchie issues.

00:01:15.260 Resistance to using it in Alberta

00:01:17.560 for radical things like keeping boys out of girls' sports. 0.82

00:01:24.540 Killing the credibility of the BC Conservative Party.

00:01:29.000 quickly descending into chaos as there are major questions arising

00:01:35.740 about the validity of the leadership review of BC Conservative leader,

00:01:40.340 John Rustat, as that caucus continues to lose members.

00:01:44.260 It feels daily.

00:01:45.320 It's not daily, but they're just continuing to shed MLAs.

00:01:48.000 So, killing the BC Conservative Party, slowly.

00:01:53.740 And killing ostriches, BC. 0.58

00:01:56.660 BC's twice on the list today.

00:01:58.500 We have the continuing ostrich scenario.

00:02:02.740 As the government,

00:02:05.380 there's been a stay of execution by the courts

00:02:08.000 to stop ostrich Waco going down.

00:02:12.100 We're going to talk about that.

00:02:13.080 Well, we're going to start with killing gun rights. 0.91

00:02:18.040 We'll start with Corey here.

00:02:20.160 The Liberal Public Safety Minister's last name

00:02:22.580 I will not even begin to try and pronounce.

00:02:26.600 Well, I know as much about how to pronounce his name

00:02:29.180 as he seems to know about gun rights.

00:02:30.740 He was notoriously slaughtered in the House of Commons

00:02:33.440 in a debate with Andrew Lawton.

00:02:35.120 The guy has no idea

00:02:36.760 on even the most rudimentary of rudimentary.

00:02:41.120 Oh, here's his last name.

00:02:42.420 Anna, Nasson, Gary.

00:02:45.240 Yeah, well, they just call him Gun Grab Gary.

00:02:47.640 Gun Grab Gary. 0.99

00:02:49.060 Gun Grab Gary. 0.99

00:02:49.860 Let's just go with that

00:02:51.340 rather than Massacre name.

00:02:54.080 The guy knows not even an entry level

00:02:57.360 of information about gun...

00:02:59.460 Like, if this guy tried to write

00:03:01.240 the Possession Acquisition License test,

00:03:04.660 they'd laugh him out.

00:03:06.520 Like, he'd get almost zero.

00:03:08.400 He'd get zero out of ten.

00:03:09.260 But then, there was a recording.

00:03:14.220 A surreptitious recording of him

00:03:15.800 with, I guess, someone who rents a property from him

00:03:18.260 who's a gun owner and not too happy.

00:03:20.680 And, in short,

00:03:21.940 I think I'm getting this right, Corey.

00:03:24.540 He says,

00:03:25.280 Yes, I know.

00:03:26.160 It's stupid.

00:03:27.300 None of this is going to work.

00:03:28.540 It's going to be expensive.

00:03:29.540 And, it's just going to possibly make crime worse.

00:03:32.700 But, we're doing it anyway

00:03:34.000 because Quebec.

00:03:36.380 Yeah, and you're pretty much paraphrasing it,

00:03:38.380 but that's what it comes down to.

00:03:40.200 I'm barely paraphrasing.

00:03:41.880 And, just the inability

00:03:46.040 to get people to turn these things in.

00:03:48.160 This buyback program.

00:03:49.300 I mean, it's not a feasible

00:03:50.720 buyer article.

00:03:52.380 Buyback always in quotes.

00:03:53.380 Because the government never had them

00:03:54.340 and they're not buying.

00:03:54.920 And, they, you know,

00:03:56.620 if you want to go back to that thought

00:03:58.880 that this is all based on trying

00:04:01.320 to win votes in Quebec,

00:04:03.600 unfortunately, it goes all the way back

00:04:05.160 to the terrible massacre of women

00:04:07.780 at the Polytech.

00:04:10.860 And, since then,

00:04:11.900 with their failed efforts

00:04:12.760 with the gun registry,

00:04:13.860 they've brought in,

00:04:14.520 they spent billions of dollars

00:04:15.580 when it was supposed to cost millions of dollars.

00:04:17.900 They failed to register

00:04:18.940 most of the firearms in the country.

00:04:21.040 And, then it got scrapped by Stephen Harper.

00:04:23.040 But, it's like,

00:04:23.420 they just will not give up on this hang-up.

00:04:25.520 So, now it's a case of,

00:04:26.620 well, we're not going to register them.

00:04:27.780 We're just going to

00:04:28.720 incrementally illegalize them.

00:04:30.920 And, because Canadians 0.99

00:04:32.160 are all such law-abiding citizens,

00:04:33.700 they will just happily come in

00:04:34.960 and turn in their firearms.

00:04:37.300 And, it's just been a failure

00:04:39.520 right from the beginning.

00:04:40.760 I mean, it's been five years

00:04:41.660 since Trudeau illegalized

00:04:43.560 all those different firearms.

00:04:45.560 And, they still haven't managed

00:04:46.980 to get any brought in.

00:04:47.800 They've extended the amnesty now

00:04:49.120 to 2026.

00:04:50.100 They just keep kicking that down the road.

00:04:51.680 And, it's signaling to every firearm owner

00:04:54.440 to basically never admit

00:04:57.420 that they're a firearm owner

00:04:58.440 and just don't comply.

00:04:59.340 The liberals will never get it together

00:05:00.460 and come down.

00:05:01.000 But, it was a rare moment of honesty

00:05:03.140 from a liberal minister.

00:05:04.360 It's the reality.

00:05:05.220 He's up the creek for being honest.

00:05:08.460 Nigel,

00:05:09.060 I have to give credit where it's due.

00:05:12.980 The minister,

00:05:13.860 Gun Grab Gary, 0.94

00:05:14.640 was on CBC Power Politics.

00:05:16.700 and, the host of the show,

00:05:19.580 I can't recall his name.

00:05:20.860 He, he actually did a fairly good interview,

00:05:23.580 I thought, with him

00:05:24.360 where he read some of his quotes

00:05:27.280 to him and says,

00:05:29.840 do you agree with yourself?

00:05:31.640 And, he would read one piece

00:05:33.420 and he'd say,

00:05:33.960 oh, no, uh, you know,

00:05:36.100 no, I don't really need it,

00:05:37.120 more or less.

00:05:38.000 Oh, no, I, well,

00:05:39.100 I just shouldn't have said that.

00:05:41.060 Why don't you give us

00:05:41.580 maybe some of the greatest hits?

00:05:42.600 You've got Jeremy,

00:05:43.220 Western Standard,

00:05:43.800 uh, uh, reporter,

00:05:45.600 Jeremy Borg's, uh, story here.

00:05:47.680 Why don't you give kind of

00:05:48.460 some of the greatest hits

00:05:49.400 of his candid moments

00:05:50.840 on him admitting

00:05:52.200 how terrible an idea this is?

00:05:54.540 Yeah, so, uh,

00:05:55.840 here we go with, um,

00:05:57.780 at a press conference on Tuesday,

00:06:00.300 uh, he,

00:06:02.140 I, uh,

00:06:03.760 I made,

00:06:05.500 Quebec has been impacted

00:06:06.940 by gun violence,

00:06:08.020 by mass casualty events

00:06:09.300 over a number of decades,

00:06:10.380 so it was a live real issue

00:06:11.600 for Quebecers.

00:06:12.480 Well, there was that one,

00:06:14.000 dreadful one that,

00:06:14.840 uh, that, um,

00:06:17.080 that, that, um,

00:06:18.080 Corey, uh,

00:06:19.280 Mark Lefebvre.

00:06:20.240 Yeah, it was a commentary

00:06:21.440 in terms of the ability

00:06:22.880 of police.

00:06:23.480 Well, that's,

00:06:23.880 he's responding there

00:06:24.820 because, because in private,

00:06:25.840 he says,

00:06:26.580 the police are not going

00:06:27.800 to do this.

00:06:28.940 Uh, that he's just saying,

00:06:30.240 well,

00:06:30.980 he's flubbing it off.

00:06:33.500 So it's, uh,

00:06:34.580 this may not be the story

00:06:35.720 you thought it was.

00:06:36.420 No, no, no,

00:06:36.820 we've got a different one

00:06:37.520 up with, uh,

00:06:38.040 with all his quotes.

00:06:39.140 Uh,

00:06:39.560 but, yeah,

00:06:40.560 he's,

00:06:41.520 he's just said,

00:06:42.660 I know this is not

00:06:43.840 going to work.

00:06:44.640 The police aren't

00:06:45.680 going to do it.

00:06:46.500 Firearms owners

00:06:47.160 are not going to comply,

00:06:48.780 uh,

00:06:50.080 at all.

00:06:50.780 Uh,

00:06:51.100 we're not even providing

00:06:51.900 full compensation.

00:06:53.400 Uh,

00:06:53.720 I doubt even most gun owners

00:06:55.060 would end it in even

00:06:55.660 if it was full compensation

00:06:56.860 because you want your guns.

00:06:58.360 Ah, here we are.

00:06:59.160 Uh, gun grab Gary

00:07:00.000 in his own words.

00:07:01.860 Uh,

00:07:02.720 yeah,

00:07:03.080 it's,

00:07:03.740 I don't think this is

00:07:04.440 a CBC one,

00:07:05.160 is it?

00:07:06.260 No,

00:07:06.600 no,

00:07:06.820 this is the,

00:07:07.320 it's,

00:07:07.480 it's the transcript.

00:07:08.220 Okay,

00:07:08.500 well,

00:07:08.660 here we go.

00:07:09.180 Well,

00:07:09.540 that's the full,

00:07:10.000 we can't read through

00:07:10.680 the full transcript.

00:07:11.320 It's fairly long,

00:07:12.240 but it's,

00:07:12.920 it's just,

00:07:13.660 the guy is admitting

00:07:14.580 we are doing

00:07:16.080 a stupid thing. 0.87

00:07:17.240 We know that we are

00:07:18.180 doing a stupid thing

00:07:19.260 and we're doing

00:07:20.300 this stupid thing

00:07:21.320 because we have

00:07:22.500 too many votes

00:07:23.160 at stake in Quebec.

00:07:25.380 That's it.

00:07:27.180 So,

00:07:27.740 what tenant says,

00:07:29.540 I thought it was voluntary

00:07:30.580 and Gary says,

00:07:31.720 oh,

00:07:31.900 it is voluntary.

00:07:33.220 So,

00:07:33.680 let me ask you this.

00:07:34.500 If it's a voluntary buyback,

00:07:35.900 some people call it

00:07:36.740 confiscation.

00:07:37.600 Yeah.

00:07:38.080 So,

00:07:38.480 I've got a couple of options.

00:07:39.580 My option is to go

00:07:40.440 have it deactivated

00:07:41.440 at my cost.

00:07:42.540 You'll get compensation

00:07:43.300 for that.

00:07:44.460 Okay,

00:07:44.840 so I get compensation

00:07:45.860 for deactivation,

00:07:47.040 but so I basically

00:07:47.800 have a firearm

00:07:48.440 that would never be able

00:07:49.200 to be used again.

00:07:50.160 It's basically an ornament.

00:07:51.660 So,

00:07:52.300 give it to you.

00:07:53.980 Well,

00:07:54.260 it's easy.

00:07:54.880 I mean,

00:07:55.200 who's collecting

00:07:55.980 a collection agency

00:07:57.200 as well?

00:07:58.060 What?

00:07:58.700 You know?

00:07:59.260 So,

00:07:59.620 anyway,

00:07:59.960 get shot back.

00:08:01.360 Yeah.

00:08:02.060 So,

00:08:02.640 at least this is,

00:08:04.300 I have never seen

00:08:06.040 anything quite like this.

00:08:07.180 I mean,

00:08:07.380 it is kind of a shame

00:08:09.140 nowadays that you're

00:08:10.000 never really private.

00:08:10.900 Someone might be

00:08:11.600 recording you,

00:08:12.680 but his privacy

00:08:14.600 is not my concern here.

00:08:16.040 I mean,

00:08:16.380 I wouldn't like it

00:08:16.960 if someone did it to me,

00:08:17.900 but if I was a minister

00:08:19.420 of the crown

00:08:20.060 in charge of a very important

00:08:21.820 section of public policy

00:08:23.520 and I was admitting

00:08:24.740 in black and white language

00:08:26.540 at length

00:08:27.700 in several different ways

00:08:29.300 that I know

00:08:30.560 I'm doing a stupid thing

00:08:31.960 that will not work

00:08:33.640 and will probably have

00:08:34.420 negative outcomes,

00:08:35.320 but I'm doing it purely

00:08:37.160 for partisan political reasons.

00:08:39.180 I feel

00:08:40.620 like that might be

00:08:42.340 a moment

00:08:42.740 for a mature,

00:08:44.100 grown-up government

00:08:44.920 as this is supposed to be

00:08:46.120 led by Mark Carney

00:08:46.860 to say,

00:08:47.400 you know what?

00:08:48.440 We're going to take

00:08:49.080 a pause on this.

00:08:51.400 We're going to go back

00:08:52.340 to the drawing board.

00:08:52.960 We'll get back to you later.

00:08:53.920 I feel like

00:08:54.320 that would be an excuse

00:08:55.660 for Carney

00:08:56.160 to back out

00:08:56.800 of this Trudeau-era policy.

00:08:58.860 Well,

00:08:59.180 there's a couple of things.

00:09:00.140 So,

00:09:00.360 first of all,

00:09:01.160 the minister,

00:09:02.520 I've had a problem

00:09:04.080 with this minister

00:09:04.720 from day dot.

00:09:06.000 This minister

00:09:06.560 has attachments

00:09:07.720 to Tamil Tigers,

00:09:10.280 which is a terrorist

00:09:11.160 organization.

00:09:12.400 There has been

00:09:12.960 lots of questions

00:09:13.980 about his,

00:09:15.200 what should we say,

00:09:17.220 his previous CV.

00:09:18.900 Why he's still there,

00:09:20.640 I don't know

00:09:21.060 what he has

00:09:21.700 on Mark Carney

00:09:22.460 because I can tell you

00:09:25.000 right now

00:09:25.440 there are several

00:09:26.540 other better qualified

00:09:28.320 people in that caucus

00:09:29.480 to be a minister

00:09:30.500 of public safety

00:09:31.420 and yet he hangs

00:09:32.980 on to Gary.

00:09:34.800 Gary has,

00:09:36.820 I would ask our viewers

00:09:38.280 to take a look

00:09:39.140 at the trajectory

00:09:39.960 of Gary's career.

00:09:41.020 this is not somebody

00:09:42.840 that I think

00:09:43.540 the Americans

00:09:44.400 would be particularly

00:09:45.480 impressed to be

00:09:46.420 doing business with

00:09:47.280 considering he also

00:09:48.680 has the other

00:09:49.720 hot potato file

00:09:51.140 of the,

00:09:52.580 what was the border plan

00:09:54.240 under Trudeau,

00:09:55.300 which is now

00:09:55.820 the Carney border plan.

00:09:57.600 But getting back

00:09:58.360 to the origin story

00:10:00.840 of this,

00:10:01.340 so to speak,

00:10:02.420 the minister

00:10:02.940 wasn't there

00:10:03.880 to have this conversation.

00:10:05.920 The minister

00:10:06.440 started this conversation.

00:10:08.400 The person

00:10:09.740 that taped him

00:10:11.180 or recorded him

00:10:12.120 without his permission,

00:10:13.340 which I agree

00:10:14.120 is an absolute violation,

00:10:16.660 was doing so

00:10:18.580 in their mind

00:10:19.820 because they believed

00:10:21.480 they needed to capture

00:10:22.580 what he was saying

00:10:23.240 because they had something

00:10:23.960 to do with a housing issue.

00:10:25.740 I'm not quite sure

00:10:26.800 what that was all about.

00:10:28.760 But then the minister

00:10:29.620 out of nowhere

00:10:30.360 launches into,

00:10:32.000 with no probing

00:10:33.320 or prodding

00:10:33.980 by the other individual

00:10:35.360 in this conversation,

00:10:36.840 goes into the gun,

00:10:37.980 buyback program,

00:10:40.480 which tells me

00:10:41.880 that this,

00:10:42.540 it further encourages me

00:10:44.300 to encourage everyone else

00:10:45.740 to ask why Gary

00:10:47.700 is the minister

00:10:48.660 of public safety.

00:10:50.240 It's not like

00:10:50.880 he's the minister

00:10:51.600 of women's,

00:10:52.680 you know,

00:10:53.340 women's issues,

00:10:54.100 which we know

00:10:54.540 is a fake,

00:10:55.440 fake ministry.

00:10:56.660 He would probably know

00:10:57.260 more about women's issues

00:10:58.400 than guns, though.

00:10:59.900 Well, he,

00:11:00.520 well, yeah,

00:11:01.280 I, well,

00:11:01.980 yeah,

00:11:02.400 depending on,

00:11:03.120 well, we could,

00:11:03.780 I speculate on that

00:11:04.760 considering his relationship

00:11:05.840 with the Tamil Tigers,

00:11:06.740 who has a propensity

00:11:09.120 for violence,

00:11:10.620 but he's definitely

00:11:12.860 not the right person there,

00:11:14.100 and everybody

00:11:14.600 in the press gallery

00:11:15.580 is scratching their head.

00:11:16.580 Why is he still there?

00:11:18.660 It's become a running joke,

00:11:20.080 but I would also say

00:11:21.280 that his,

00:11:22.880 the way that he speaks

00:11:25.280 to the issue

00:11:26.140 really demonstrates,

00:11:27.460 I think,

00:11:28.220 what he's hearing

00:11:28.840 in caucus,

00:11:29.620 what he's hearing

00:11:30.400 from even the prime minister.

00:11:31.740 This is all political stagecraft

00:11:34.460 to keep Quebec on side.

00:11:37.420 It's still bloody awful.

00:11:39.700 It's still absolutely wrong,

00:11:41.700 as it was in its first incarnation

00:11:43.440 in 1998

00:11:44.320 under what was then C-48,

00:11:47.120 the long gun registry,

00:11:48.860 which was an absolute nightmare,

00:11:50.660 but this is just another

00:11:51.640 iteration of this.

00:11:54.080 But I don't think

00:11:55.420 the liberal caucus

00:11:56.660 or cabinet

00:11:57.360 has their heart in this,

00:11:58.960 and I think his sentiment

00:12:00.780 or the statements

00:12:01.720 he's making

00:12:02.340 and the comments

00:12:02.880 he's making

00:12:03.460 and sort of the flagrant

00:12:05.100 sort of informality

00:12:08.100 of what he's,

00:12:09.320 of how he's talking about this,

00:12:10.840 I think really speaks

00:12:11.760 to that as well.

00:12:13.340 But I,

00:12:14.180 it's definitely not sincere

00:12:15.520 and then you see,

00:12:16.400 you know,

00:12:16.680 Premier Smith come out

00:12:17.580 and direct,

00:12:19.100 you know,

00:12:19.460 law enforcement,

00:12:20.360 do not waste your time

00:12:21.340 picking up people's guns

00:12:22.460 or taking people's guns.

00:12:24.380 And I would also say

00:12:25.780 that Quebec has retorted

00:12:27.180 or responded to this

00:12:29.180 by saying actually

00:12:30.200 this gun law

00:12:31.960 or this buyback program

00:12:33.440 has nothing to do

00:12:34.540 with what we actually asked for.

00:12:36.400 And there is one particular

00:12:38.140 semi-automatic weapon on there

00:12:40.260 and I can't remember,

00:12:41.340 you gentlemen might know it.

00:12:42.840 Yeah,

00:12:43.100 that wasn't even included.

00:12:44.780 So this is all stagecraft.

00:12:46.760 That's because the SKS,

00:12:48.740 I don't know if it's

00:12:49.140 politically correct,

00:12:50.100 but screw it. 0.58

00:12:50.800 It's because it's commonly used

00:12:52.500 by indigenous people

00:12:53.940 for hunting.

00:12:54.480 The SKS is a very,

00:12:58.080 it's,

00:12:58.400 I believe it's Czech made. 0.96

00:12:59.880 It's kind of a Soviet.

00:13:00.920 There's Chinese ones too.

00:13:02.160 Yeah,

00:13:02.280 there is a Chinese ones.

00:13:03.160 Yeah.

00:13:03.340 They're cheap.

00:13:03.780 But it was,

00:13:04.100 I think it was originally

00:13:04.700 a Chinese made,

00:13:05.880 I mean,

00:13:06.560 to the uninitiated you look at it,

00:13:07.900 it looks kind of like an AK-47,

00:13:10.220 but it's very much not.

00:13:11.360 It's semi-automatic.

00:13:12.500 It functions pretty much

00:13:13.980 like any other hunting rifle,

00:13:15.000 but it's cheap.

00:13:16.060 I mean,

00:13:16.360 the communists couldn't make

00:13:17.500 anything well and cheaply

00:13:18.980 except for small arms.

00:13:20.540 Yeah.

00:13:21.480 They've made a nice

00:13:21.980 7.6-235 ammunition.

00:13:23.920 If I had one,

00:13:27.440 that's what I would buy.

00:13:28.260 Yeah,

00:13:28.580 if I did,

00:13:29.100 yes.

00:13:30.600 So can we just,

00:13:32.080 can we just say,

00:13:33.180 can we just add

00:13:33.920 that this,

00:13:36.240 yeah,

00:13:36.540 and this is another example

00:13:37.860 of two tiers of justice

00:13:39.280 in this country,

00:13:40.160 right?

00:13:40.640 Look at,

00:13:41.260 I mean,

00:13:41.460 we're going to get into this

00:13:42.440 about the hostage situation,

00:13:45.280 but First Nations are,

00:13:47.620 even down to sentencing,

00:13:49.800 that stagecraft that's going on,

00:13:52.380 that political maneuvering

00:13:53.580 is breaking this country,

00:13:54.980 right?

00:13:55.340 When Canadians realize 0.98

00:13:56.620 that this is all a sham

00:13:57.900 and it's all political theater

00:13:59.760 for Quebec,

00:14:00.580 especially for those in the West

00:14:01.960 who have been asked

00:14:03.140 to put a lot of water

00:14:05.440 in their wine repeatedly,

00:14:07.160 this is just another brick

00:14:09.440 on the pile

00:14:10.140 that's going to break

00:14:10.980 the backs of especially

00:14:12.080 Western Canadians

00:14:13.060 in their trust

00:14:14.120 in their government.

00:14:14.920 But look,

00:14:16.620 I don't begrudge

00:14:18.140 a politician

00:14:18.920 for doing politics.

00:14:21.580 I mean,

00:14:22.500 it's one of the downsides

00:14:24.900 of a democracy

00:14:26.260 is that

00:14:27.020 the objective

00:14:28.900 is to get votes

00:14:30.040 to get in power

00:14:30.680 and keep votes

00:14:31.440 to stay in power.

00:14:33.040 Politicians

00:14:33.600 are going to do politics.

00:14:35.580 But the value proposition

00:14:37.620 of Mark Carney

00:14:38.920 was that

00:14:40.760 he's above politics,

00:14:42.300 he's the grown-up

00:14:43.560 in the room,

00:14:44.140 he's not going to be

00:14:44.760 the pandering

00:14:45.820 amateur hour

00:14:47.140 Justin Trudeau,

00:14:48.580 he is Mark

00:14:49.700 freaking Carney

00:14:50.820 and he's going to make

00:14:51.680 decisions

00:14:52.320 non-ideologically.

00:14:53.840 Now,

00:14:54.100 if you believe that,

00:14:55.560 I got a gun buyback

00:14:56.780 program for you.

00:14:57.980 But

00:14:58.180 now we've got them

00:15:00.740 bloody admitting it.

00:15:02.520 I would,

00:15:03.260 you know,

00:15:03.560 and I,

00:15:04.420 so okay,

00:15:04.800 he wants to keep his votes

00:15:05.780 in Quebec.

00:15:07.140 But,

00:15:07.540 you know,

00:15:07.860 Nigel,

00:15:08.640 wouldn't this,

00:15:09.740 this would be

00:15:10.540 an opportunity

00:15:11.320 with,

00:15:11.640 you know,

00:15:12.020 with this,

00:15:13.020 you know,

00:15:13.220 the leak of the

00:15:14.080 recording

00:15:15.360 with the minister

00:15:16.000 here,

00:15:17.180 this would be

00:15:17.860 an opportunity

00:15:18.340 for him to say,

00:15:19.680 you know what,

00:15:20.680 I wasn't all that

00:15:22.180 briefed on this

00:15:23.060 when I became

00:15:23.500 prime minister.

00:15:24.080 I was a prime minister

00:15:24.720 for a couple days,

00:15:25.640 like a week or two,

00:15:26.440 and we called an election,

00:15:27.560 you know,

00:15:27.740 I signed some fake

00:15:28.540 executive orders

00:15:29.300 like I was president.

00:15:31.280 It's become apparent

00:15:32.240 this was a bad idea.

00:15:33.880 But do we still believe

00:15:34.840 in getting assault-style

00:15:36.120 guns,

00:15:36.940 you know,

00:15:37.440 out of people's hands?

00:15:38.480 We'll get back to you.

00:15:39.260 And this is a way

00:15:39.860 to let it die.

00:15:41.320 They have decided

00:15:43.320 not to do that.

00:15:44.380 They're still going

00:15:45.300 forward here.

00:15:46.040 I think this is

00:15:47.920 going to be,

00:15:48.840 I don't think it's

00:15:49.500 going to hurt the

00:15:50.260 liberals with liberal

00:15:50.980 voters.

00:15:51.420 Liberal voters

00:15:51.940 can't tell the

00:15:52.580 difference between

00:15:53.080 the BB gun

00:15:53.740 and the bazooka.

00:15:54.940 And so they see

00:15:56.080 scary guns

00:15:57.020 and they want

00:15:57.520 them gone.

00:15:58.400 I don't think it's

00:15:58.940 going to hurt them

00:15:59.300 with liberal voters,

00:16:00.180 but I think it will

00:16:01.620 hurt them with some

00:16:02.260 of the moderate

00:16:02.680 conservative voters

00:16:03.600 who were hoping

00:16:05.520 that he was that

00:16:06.260 grown-up in the room,

00:16:07.500 the Mark Carney

00:16:08.180 value proposition.

00:16:08.920 It would have been

00:16:09.460 pretty easy to do

00:16:10.740 for this,

00:16:11.200 what he did

00:16:11.560 for the EV rule.

00:16:15.340 Just say,

00:16:16.000 we've got to think

00:16:16.520 this one through,

00:16:17.380 give us a year,

00:16:18.400 and just get it

00:16:19.620 off the table

00:16:20.140 for now.

00:16:21.240 I mean,

00:16:21.720 I do find it

00:16:22.260 surprising that

00:16:22.900 there isn't a

00:16:23.360 stronger hunting

00:16:24.160 lobby in Quebec.

00:16:25.140 I do know that

00:16:25.720 people in Quebec

00:16:26.360 hunt,

00:16:27.420 and that they have

00:16:29.740 firearms in the

00:16:31.400 home for all the

00:16:31.900 same reasons that

00:16:32.640 people in Alberta

00:16:33.360 have firearms in

00:16:34.400 their own.

00:16:34.780 so why this is

00:16:37.820 such a priority

00:16:39.460 for Quebec

00:16:40.720 and for the

00:16:41.860 Bloc Quebec,

00:16:42.480 well,

00:16:42.980 I mean,

00:16:43.360 they have their

00:16:44.060 own reasons,

00:16:44.620 I'm sure,

00:16:45.480 but it would have

00:16:46.100 been an easy

00:16:46.880 enough one for

00:16:47.640 Mr Carney to

00:16:48.420 step back from

00:16:49.180 and just give

00:16:50.680 people more time.

00:16:51.920 Meanwhile,

00:16:52.860 I'm very encouraged

00:16:53.680 to see the

00:16:54.800 response in

00:16:56.600 Ontario of all

00:16:57.540 the places

00:16:58.040 that they didn't

00:16:58.440 expect.

00:16:59.380 They're not keen

00:17:00.820 on going out

00:17:01.920 and taking guns

00:17:03.140 out of people's

00:17:03.740 houses here in

00:17:04.840 Alberta,

00:17:05.620 best place to

00:17:06.280 be in Canada

00:17:07.040 if gun rights

00:17:08.100 are important

00:17:08.620 to you.

00:17:10.820 I can't see

00:17:11.760 this thing

00:17:12.200 flying nationally

00:17:12.900 because there

00:17:13.940 are too many

00:17:14.860 people in the

00:17:15.540 provinces who

00:17:16.340 are against

00:17:16.720 it.

00:17:17.560 So,

00:17:17.940 well,

00:17:19.460 surprise,

00:17:19.840 Quebec,

00:17:20.060 Quebec.

00:17:20.900 Speaking of

00:17:21.820 provinces,

00:17:22.440 now let's

00:17:22.880 shift to

00:17:24.160 Elise's area 0.58

00:17:26.000 of the woods

00:17:26.480 here.

00:17:28.320 The B.C.

00:17:30.020 Conservatives,

00:17:30.760 you know,

00:17:32.120 they had a

00:17:32.500 meteoric rise.

00:17:33.480 They came from 0.71

00:17:34.040 nothing to

00:17:34.800 something.

00:17:35.340 They swallowed

00:17:36.020 the B.C.

00:17:36.800 United Liberals

00:17:37.840 whole.

00:17:38.920 It was,

00:17:40.200 you know,

00:17:40.540 I've told

00:17:41.380 friends in B.C.,

00:17:42.900 you know,

00:17:43.200 because they had

00:17:43.700 a lot of chaos

00:17:44.240 since the election.

00:17:45.200 I told them,

00:17:45.740 you know what,

00:17:46.480 don't be too

00:17:47.280 worried about it.

00:17:48.900 You know,

00:17:49.440 I'm a veteran,

00:17:50.080 Corey Morgan's a

00:17:50.780 veteran of the

00:17:51.380 Wild Rose PC Wars

00:17:52.680 here in Alberta.

00:17:53.960 You would think of

00:17:54.360 the reformed PC Wars

00:17:55.640 federally.

00:17:56.580 You guys had

00:17:57.420 by far the

00:17:58.680 cleanest

00:17:59.620 conservative civil war

00:18:01.160 and you settled

00:18:01.740 it before you

00:18:02.540 even get it

00:18:02.880 getting to an

00:18:03.440 election,

00:18:03.840 more or less.

00:18:05.160 So good on you

00:18:06.200 guys.

00:18:06.980 You'll get through

00:18:07.620 it.

00:18:07.920 It's growing.

00:18:08.260 Your growing pains

00:18:08.820 are a lot less

00:18:09.440 than we've had.

00:18:11.100 But they're not

00:18:11.940 stopping.

00:18:12.400 They seem to be

00:18:12.960 getting worse.

00:18:14.180 They lost a couple

00:18:15.000 of MLAs a number

00:18:15.800 of months ago

00:18:16.600 for comments that

00:18:17.720 John Rustad

00:18:18.280 declared to be

00:18:19.300 racist or

00:18:22.100 something.

00:18:22.620 And they were

00:18:22.900 not.

00:18:23.380 They were very

00:18:23.840 much not.

00:18:24.360 I thought it was

00:18:24.760 ridiculous putting

00:18:25.660 out Dallas Brody

00:18:27.360 there and then

00:18:28.020 some others

00:18:28.440 followed her

00:18:29.060 in solidarity.

00:18:30.840 And then

00:18:31.560 they've had this

00:18:33.500 leadership review

00:18:34.340 and there was

00:18:35.920 definitely some

00:18:36.400 discontent coming

00:18:38.560 through this.

00:18:39.020 But it was a

00:18:39.500 bizarre leadership

00:18:40.140 review.

00:18:40.540 It was not held

00:18:41.100 on a single day

00:18:41.760 the way every

00:18:42.620 other leadership

00:18:43.120 review that I'm

00:18:43.700 aware of in the

00:18:44.280 history of Canada

00:18:44.980 and every political

00:18:45.580 party has been

00:18:46.340 done.

00:18:46.900 It was held over

00:18:47.500 I think several

00:18:48.220 months,

00:18:48.900 riding by riding.

00:18:50.940 I mean,

00:18:51.800 that doesn't make

00:18:52.440 it necessarily bad,

00:18:53.400 but it's an odd

00:18:54.120 thing to do.

00:18:55.480 I guess it allows

00:18:56.100 the leader to go

00:18:56.740 to the people

00:18:57.420 voting and be

00:18:58.280 there face to

00:18:58.880 face,

00:18:59.240 make a good

00:18:59.640 impression.

00:19:00.520 These things are

00:19:01.000 always stacked in

00:19:01.840 favor of the

00:19:02.340 leader.

00:19:02.580 That's just the

00:19:03.060 way it works.

00:19:03.660 So that's not

00:19:04.120 too untoward,

00:19:05.120 but he apparently

00:19:07.940 passed it,

00:19:08.660 not that strong

00:19:09.440 with about 70

00:19:10.340 ish percent or

00:19:11.640 the high 60s,

00:19:12.940 high 60s.

00:19:13.620 And then he

00:19:14.140 immediately kicked

00:19:15.000 someone else out

00:19:15.940 of caucus.

00:19:16.660 Now,

00:19:16.800 not because they

00:19:17.300 were too

00:19:17.600 conservative,

00:19:18.100 but I guess just

00:19:19.080 as we weren't

00:19:19.460 getting along

00:19:20.040 irreconcilable

00:19:21.020 differences,

00:19:21.740 kicks them out

00:19:22.040 of caucus.

00:19:22.460 No vote of

00:19:23.080 the caucus.

00:19:23.760 Again,

00:19:24.020 just unilaterally

00:19:25.060 kicks them out,

00:19:25.640 not as a

00:19:25.960 caucus decision,

00:19:26.540 but as a

00:19:27.000 leader's

00:19:27.340 decision.

00:19:30.020 So,

00:19:30.860 and then,

00:19:31.420 you know,

00:19:31.620 we've had some

00:19:32.400 reporting,

00:19:33.820 I think,

00:19:34.200 I think it was

00:19:34.640 just yesterday

00:19:35.160 from the

00:19:35.540 Western Standards

00:19:36.080 BC Bureau

00:19:36.940 Chief Jared

00:19:37.760 Yager,

00:19:38.840 with some

00:19:39.240 really interesting

00:19:39.920 information that

00:19:40.860 casts doubts

00:19:42.080 on even if,

00:19:43.040 and a fairly

00:19:43.700 low leadership

00:19:45.040 result he got

00:19:46.360 already below

00:19:47.020 70%.

00:19:48.000 I'll let you

00:19:50.320 go,

00:19:51.000 Elise,

00:19:51.400 and set it

00:19:51.860 up about,

00:19:53.380 there's some

00:19:53.820 pretty serious

00:19:54.280 questions that

00:19:55.000 have now been

00:19:55.520 raised about the

00:19:56.180 validity of

00:19:56.720 even that

00:19:57.180 result.

00:19:58.700 It was the

00:20:00.280 most strange

00:20:01.640 leadership review

00:20:02.620 I have ever

00:20:03.780 seen,

00:20:04.480 and I have

00:20:05.460 been around

00:20:06.200 politics starting

00:20:07.420 in BC for

00:20:08.260 25 years.

00:20:09.940 And to have

00:20:12.000 a staggered

00:20:13.320 leadership review

00:20:14.360 without there

00:20:15.620 being a convention

00:20:16.560 at the end of

00:20:17.280 it.

00:20:17.720 I mean,

00:20:18.060 you can do

00:20:18.640 the weekend

00:20:19.520 leadership review

00:20:21.460 if you want,

00:20:22.680 but there always

00:20:23.560 should be the

00:20:24.220 convention at the

00:20:25.000 end of it,

00:20:25.740 where the

00:20:26.040 results are

00:20:26.620 announced publicly.

00:20:28.000 So one of the,

00:20:29.180 I just want to

00:20:29.820 preface this,

00:20:30.520 it has been a

00:20:31.900 clown car of a

00:20:34.020 ride for roughly

00:20:36.500 four or five

00:20:37.120 months,

00:20:37.420 but it's been

00:20:37.960 chaotic for,

00:20:39.560 I would say,

00:20:40.040 even since last

00:20:40.880 year,

00:20:41.660 even before the

00:20:42.700 election last

00:20:43.540 year.

00:20:44.320 And I think

00:20:45.920 one thing that

00:20:47.120 people across the

00:20:47.900 country need to

00:20:48.380 understand is we

00:20:49.360 didn't have a

00:20:50.000 civil war because

00:20:50.920 the BC liberals

00:20:51.760 laid down arms.

00:20:53.420 They just

00:20:53.760 walked away.

00:20:54.920 There wasn't

00:20:55.340 even either,

00:20:56.460 nobody even

00:20:57.320 threw a,

00:20:58.240 threw a little

00:20:58.700 pebble that

00:20:59.740 way.

00:21:00.580 Kevin Falcon

00:21:01.140 saw the

00:21:02.240 writing,

00:21:02.760 you know,

00:21:03.340 on the wall

00:21:03.940 and basically

00:21:04.900 just sort of

00:21:06.240 once Eleanor

00:21:07.140 Sturko,

00:21:07.940 the MLA that

00:21:09.200 we're talking

00:21:09.800 about today that

00:21:10.580 was booted from

00:21:11.380 caucus,

00:21:12.180 once she crossed

00:21:12.900 the floor,

00:21:13.840 the die was

00:21:14.660 cast for Kevin

00:21:15.640 Falcon.

00:21:16.580 I will say,

00:21:17.760 and also let's

00:21:18.640 just talk about

00:21:19.240 Eleanor Sturko.

00:21:19.960 why she was

00:21:21.460 booted from

00:21:21.980 caucus is from

00:21:24.320 some of the

00:21:24.840 very same

00:21:25.780 tradecraft and

00:21:27.520 trickery that

00:21:28.280 John Rustad

00:21:29.100 himself got up

00:21:30.160 to when I was

00:21:31.680 working with the

00:21:32.280 BC liberals under

00:21:33.280 Gordon Campbell

00:21:34.020 and he was an

00:21:35.120 MLA and he was

00:21:36.360 a minister of,

00:21:37.680 I believe it was

00:21:38.340 Forrest.

00:21:39.420 He joined a

00:21:40.340 ragtag group of 0.97

00:21:41.240 15 MLAs and

00:21:43.080 they quickly

00:21:43.920 formed into an

00:21:44.840 aggressive force

00:21:45.900 that challenged

00:21:46.880 my former boss

00:21:47.960 and my former

00:21:49.000 party to

00:21:49.960 in a very

00:21:50.680 aggressive way.

00:21:52.100 Now when all

00:21:52.860 was said and

00:21:53.360 done and there

00:21:54.060 was, I would

00:21:54.680 say that Mr.

00:21:55.200 Campbell and

00:21:56.980 the, and his

00:21:57.900 staff around him

00:21:59.280 managed that

00:21:59.880 really well because

00:22:01.040 Mr.

00:22:01.800 Rustad was

00:22:02.480 folded back into

00:22:03.480 caucus.

00:22:04.060 And I want to

00:22:04.520 remind everybody,

00:22:05.900 if a premier or

00:22:07.200 a leader managed

00:22:09.120 the way that

00:22:09.740 John has every

00:22:10.960 dissenting voice,

00:22:12.160 you wouldn't have

00:22:12.880 a caucus left.

00:22:13.860 people on the

00:22:14.880 outside don't

00:22:15.600 realize how rough

00:22:16.560 and ready it

00:22:17.280 gets in certain

00:22:19.000 provinces and in

00:22:20.780 certain political

00:22:21.480 parties and ours

00:22:22.460 was one of them.

00:22:23.760 This is the same

00:22:24.880 situation that's

00:22:25.760 happened in the

00:22:26.780 BC Conservative

00:22:27.660 Party.

00:22:28.440 This also stems

00:22:29.520 from Mr.

00:22:30.180 Rustad not

00:22:30.860 actually taking

00:22:32.040 strong leadership

00:22:33.040 in how he managed

00:22:35.540 his caucus.

00:22:36.140 These issues have

00:22:36.840 been allowed to

00:22:37.600 pile up and pile

00:22:38.780 up and pile up

00:22:39.860 and it really

00:22:40.780 started with the

00:22:41.720 exodus of Dallas

00:22:43.100 Brody, which you

00:22:43.800 mentioned, Derek.

00:22:44.980 And you're right,

00:22:45.740 her, the comments,

00:22:47.420 the headline was

00:22:48.840 pretty egregious

00:22:50.280 compared to what

00:22:51.680 really happened.

00:22:52.600 She was questioning

00:22:53.480 residential school

00:22:55.500 unmarked graves,

00:22:57.080 which I think we

00:22:57.780 now know a lot of

00:22:58.560 people have

00:22:59.000 questioned.

00:23:00.060 I don't want to

00:23:00.940 tumble into that

00:23:01.960 bee's nest of a

00:23:03.460 policy conversation.

00:23:05.140 But with her,

00:23:06.480 she took three,

00:23:08.120 or she took,

00:23:09.040 yeah, she took

00:23:09.520 three MLA's with

00:23:10.500 her and she

00:23:10.960 took a chief

00:23:11.480 of staff with

00:23:12.100 her.

00:23:13.160 And that has,

00:23:14.440 and then they

00:23:14.900 created their own

00:23:15.620 party, 1BC.

00:23:17.160 So now we have

00:23:18.200 two conservative

00:23:19.580 parties on the

00:23:21.100 spectrum here.

00:23:22.520 And the BC

00:23:23.680 United or BC

00:23:24.740 Liberals turned

00:23:25.360 into BC United.

00:23:26.600 They're still

00:23:27.020 technically a party.

00:23:28.680 Then their party

00:23:29.660 that didn't, or

00:23:30.540 their members that

00:23:31.200 didn't like that

00:23:32.260 Kevin Falcon had

00:23:33.100 sort of folded and

00:23:34.080 allowed, not ran

00:23:36.000 any candidates during

00:23:36.860 the October election

00:23:37.940 from last year.

00:23:40.040 They, the

00:23:40.960 decision, created

00:23:42.820 the Liberal Party

00:23:43.720 of British Columbia,

00:23:44.920 which we fought

00:23:45.800 to get rid of

00:23:46.640 when we changed

00:23:47.260 their name to

00:23:47.780 BC Liberal and

00:23:48.780 then BC United.

00:23:49.760 So it's a real

00:23:50.860 mess.

00:23:51.740 And right now,

00:23:52.420 what's really sad

00:23:53.300 about this is that

00:23:54.120 John Rustad had

00:23:55.520 the advantage.

00:23:56.680 Right after that

00:23:57.440 election, it was,

00:23:58.740 it was a razor

00:23:59.620 edge election.

00:24:01.380 Mr.

00:24:01.960 Evie definitely

00:24:02.560 does not have a

00:24:03.860 secure mandate and

00:24:04.940 we could go into

00:24:05.720 an election at any

00:24:06.560 time.

00:24:06.800 And quite frankly,

00:24:07.480 we should be going

00:24:08.380 into an election

00:24:08.940 at any time.

00:24:10.120 But the reality is,

00:24:11.360 is this BC

00:24:11.980 Conservative caucus

00:24:12.780 has not been ready

00:24:13.760 for a very long

00:24:14.880 time.

00:24:15.540 It's incredibly

00:24:16.360 disappointing.

00:24:17.120 And when he kicked

00:24:17.700 Eleanor Sturko out,

00:24:18.700 who, by the way,

00:24:19.960 former RCMP

00:24:20.900 officer in the

00:24:22.100 battlefields of

00:24:22.960 Surrey, she was

00:24:23.980 tough on crime.

00:24:25.340 She was, she was a

00:24:26.420 force to be reckoned

00:24:27.240 with.

00:24:27.460 And when she crossed

00:24:28.340 over from BC

00:24:29.120 United and endorsed,

00:24:30.760 basically endorsing the

00:24:31.820 BC Conservatives'

00:24:33.040 platform on crime

00:24:34.940 and justice,

00:24:36.260 many people came

00:24:38.180 with her and it

00:24:39.380 bridged the gap

00:24:40.120 between the ardent

00:24:41.160 social conservatives

00:24:42.280 of the BC

00:24:42.920 Conservative Party

00:24:43.760 that for the last

00:24:45.060 eight years,

00:24:45.980 nine years,

00:24:46.560 haven't been able

00:24:47.140 to get out of

00:24:47.600 their own way

00:24:48.280 and make any

00:24:49.520 advances with

00:24:50.880 the electoral,

00:24:51.700 with the voters

00:24:52.280 here in British

00:24:52.900 Columbia.

00:24:53.620 It bridged the gap

00:24:55.300 between the ardent

00:24:56.300 social conservatives,

00:24:57.920 the sort of social

00:24:58.760 conservatives and

00:24:59.480 fiscal conservatives,

00:25:00.200 and then just the

00:25:01.080 fiscal conservatives

00:25:01.920 and what I would

00:25:02.600 call the blue

00:25:03.160 liberals.

00:25:04.340 I wasn't necessarily

00:25:05.520 totally pleased by

00:25:06.860 bringing more blue

00:25:07.700 liberals over because

00:25:08.440 I thought we got

00:25:09.000 rid of them with

00:25:09.660 the BC United,

00:25:10.580 but I understood

00:25:11.600 that this is

00:25:12.280 British Columbia

00:25:13.000 and we need to,

00:25:14.780 we need to have a

00:25:15.700 larger tent than

00:25:16.540 maybe what they

00:25:17.240 wanted.

00:25:17.900 She brought all of

00:25:18.900 that and she brought 0.82

00:25:19.500 credibility.

00:25:20.400 She was the strongest

00:25:21.340 performer in the

00:25:22.200 caucus.

00:25:22.900 There's two other

00:25:23.600 strong performers in

00:25:25.020 the caucus that I can

00:25:26.020 immediately name.

00:25:27.320 Judy Torr and,

00:25:29.060 oh, I said I was

00:25:29.720 going to immediately

00:25:30.200 name them and I

00:25:30.780 forgot the other

00:25:31.340 person's name.

00:25:32.520 But they are

00:25:33.640 strangely quiet and

00:25:35.280 what I understood

00:25:36.120 from somebody that

00:25:36.980 was close to what

00:25:38.600 happened in the

00:25:39.160 caucus room on

00:25:40.620 Monday is it

00:25:42.020 wasn't just one

00:25:43.120 person that was

00:25:43.840 descending,

00:25:44.780 descending from

00:25:45.560 John Rustad's

00:25:46.480 leadership or

00:25:47.020 questioning it.

00:25:47.860 They, there were

00:25:48.620 many, many, many

00:25:49.820 MLAs that were 1.00

00:25:50.840 yelling out about

00:25:51.820 how we don't

00:25:52.500 cancel our MLAs.

00:25:53.820 We don't, we're not

00:25:54.460 in the business of

00:25:55.160 cancel culture.

00:25:55.900 They had put up

00:25:56.500 with it, put up

00:25:57.040 with it with Dallas

00:25:57.740 Brody, but they

00:25:58.700 weren't going to put

00:25:59.300 up with it with

00:26:00.000 Eleanor Sturko.

00:26:01.720 And by the way,

00:26:02.900 those were the

00:26:03.640 socially ardent

00:26:04.680 conservatives or the

00:26:05.640 ardently social

00:26:06.320 conservatives that

00:26:07.360 were defending the

00:26:08.460 somewhat liberal

00:26:09.600 Eleanor Sturko.

00:26:10.820 So right now, John

00:26:13.240 Rustad is an

00:26:14.000 anointed leader.

00:26:15.720 He's not an

00:26:16.780 elected leader.

00:26:17.940 It is time for a

00:26:19.440 leadership race.

00:26:20.920 The fraudulent,

00:26:22.420 what is it, 2100-ish

00:26:24.700 votes that ended up

00:26:26.060 being fraudulent for

00:26:28.280 this leadership race

00:26:29.320 demonstrate that

00:26:31.320 there's a significant

00:26:32.080 problem.

00:26:32.740 They all came from 0.98

00:26:33.680 one area and there

00:26:35.100 were two IP addresses

00:26:36.560 that were attached to

00:26:37.620 those.

00:26:38.260 There were three

00:26:38.760 credit cards that

00:26:39.620 were used.

00:26:40.080 But the problem

00:26:40.620 is now, Derek,

00:26:41.880 and the rest of

00:26:43.040 you, that we

00:26:44.100 don't know who,

00:26:45.440 if votes got

00:26:46.920 through before we

00:26:47.800 canceled their

00:26:48.340 memberships, all of

00:26:49.240 the above, the

00:26:50.200 whole thing's a

00:26:50.780 mess.

00:26:51.340 We look stupid.

00:26:52.660 We look like we

00:26:53.280 can't get it

00:26:53.740 together.

00:26:54.560 So now it's time

00:26:55.320 for a leadership

00:26:55.740 race.

00:26:56.100 And if Mr.

00:26:56.560 Rustad wants to

00:26:57.340 run again, then

00:26:59.060 he has that

00:27:00.100 opportunity.

00:27:01.160 But we need a

00:27:02.020 leadership race.

00:27:03.400 So, Corey, I

00:27:06.280 mean, it's the

00:27:07.740 unofficial bar for

00:27:09.340 staying in the

00:27:09.760 leadership is pretty

00:27:11.880 much barely what

00:27:13.400 John Rustad got.

00:27:14.600 It was kind of

00:27:15.260 unofficially said at,

00:27:16.560 what was it, 66 or

00:27:17.700 68 by Joe Clark in

00:27:19.760 the late 70s, early,

00:27:23.120 I think in the early

00:27:23.660 80s.

00:27:24.140 Yeah, early 80s.

00:27:25.860 He didn't make it

00:27:26.960 and Cass very

00:27:29.060 honorably stepped

00:27:30.120 down from the

00:27:30.660 leadership and then

00:27:31.400 ran in that

00:27:31.880 leadership again,

00:27:32.660 which he lost to

00:27:33.500 Brian Mulroney.

00:27:34.300 And ever since then,

00:27:35.080 that's kind of been

00:27:35.700 the bar at, you

00:27:36.860 can't hit above

00:27:38.400 two-thirds of

00:27:39.700 your, because

00:27:39.960 this is your own

00:27:40.760 members.

00:27:41.280 This is not, you

00:27:42.480 know, and when

00:27:43.600 you're a leader, you

00:27:44.160 have incredible

00:27:44.920 powers of

00:27:45.720 incumbency.

00:27:46.540 It's a captive

00:27:47.020 audience.

00:27:47.540 They vote right

00:27:47.980 after you talk and

00:27:49.060 everyone's there.

00:27:50.000 Leader, leader,

00:27:50.520 leader.

00:27:51.400 It's extremely rare

00:27:52.840 that leaders outright

00:27:53.900 lose.

00:27:55.020 Jason Kenney would

00:27:56.180 have got, I think

00:27:57.020 he got 51%.

00:27:57.800 He would have

00:27:58.420 gotten well below

00:27:59.000 that if they

00:27:59.440 hadn't rigged that

00:28:00.280 one repeatedly.

00:28:01.760 Thomas Mulcair lost

00:28:03.220 got below 50%.

00:28:04.340 And then John

00:28:05.800 Diefenbaker, for

00:28:06.440 who was created.

00:28:07.620 And that's the

00:28:08.220 reason we have

00:28:08.700 leadership with

00:28:09.220 views now.

00:28:10.860 It was already

00:28:11.960 pretty razor thin

00:28:13.240 at the edge of

00:28:13.860 what's considered

00:28:14.360 an acceptable

00:28:15.140 amount to stay

00:28:16.360 on.

00:28:16.740 I got, I've got

00:28:17.780 no bone to pick

00:28:18.440 with John Rustad.

00:28:19.200 I tend to like

00:28:20.960 the guy, but he

00:28:23.340 has got a very

00:28:25.360 tenuous grasp on

00:28:26.880 his caucus, it

00:28:27.520 seems right now.

00:28:28.300 It seems people

00:28:29.220 are being kicked

00:28:30.420 out for what do

00:28:31.100 not appear to be

00:28:32.140 valid reasons.

00:28:34.200 Maybe I'm

00:28:35.040 projecting a bit,

00:28:36.180 but he's just

00:28:38.680 pushing out anyone

00:28:39.640 who seems to

00:28:41.820 be, have a

00:28:43.420 different opinion

00:28:43.960 on issues.

00:28:47.160 He barely

00:28:48.160 passed an

00:28:49.680 acceptable level

00:28:50.360 of the race,

00:28:51.060 even if those

00:28:51.560 numbers were

00:28:51.920 valid.

00:28:52.660 There is now

00:28:53.400 quite sufficient

00:28:54.400 evidence that

00:28:55.340 this was not a

00:28:56.400 legitimate vote.

00:28:57.560 There were a

00:28:58.440 very significant

00:28:59.220 number of

00:29:00.520 eligible voters,

00:29:02.540 voters, and

00:29:02.840 therefore very

00:29:03.820 likely ballots

00:29:04.860 cast in this

00:29:05.680 leadership that

00:29:06.880 were fraudulent.

00:29:08.960 Derek, it's

00:29:10.200 important to

00:29:10.720 note that

00:29:11.200 elections BC is

00:29:12.320 going to begin,

00:29:13.200 it's very, very,

00:29:14.520 I mean, we're all

00:29:14.960 expecting it, it's

00:29:15.600 going to begin an

00:29:16.180 investigation because

00:29:17.080 they've broken

00:29:17.540 section two of the

00:29:18.500 elections act here.

00:29:19.420 So this is not

00:29:21.280 just a political

00:29:22.260 issue.

00:29:23.260 This speaks to,

00:29:24.820 this is what

00:29:25.560 Eleanor Sturko as

00:29:26.660 a former RCMP

00:29:27.740 member who's

00:29:29.260 misjustice, law,

00:29:30.780 and order, which

00:29:31.480 is why we wanted

00:29:32.700 her in the BC

00:29:33.280 Conservatives, or

00:29:33.900 they wanted her in

00:29:34.620 the BC Conservatives,

00:29:36.000 the reality is this

00:29:37.340 breaks the law if

00:29:38.680 proven true, and

00:29:39.700 it's a death

00:29:40.760 nail for John

00:29:41.780 Rustad's leadership.

00:29:43.580 You know, and

00:29:43.960 it's not the only

00:29:44.740 thing, no leader

00:29:45.760 goes down on one

00:29:46.800 issue, they go down

00:29:47.740 by a thousand cuts

00:29:48.780 and there's been a

00:29:49.540 thousand and one.

00:29:51.000 So I just wanted to

00:29:52.060 point it out, it's

00:29:52.660 not just a political

00:29:53.460 issue, it's now

00:29:54.300 could be an

00:29:54.880 election, a legal

00:29:55.540 issue.

00:29:56.020 Yeah, it could

00:29:56.840 now be legal, but

00:29:59.300 I mean, yeah, it's

00:30:00.420 as Lee said, it's

00:30:01.380 a, you know, it's

00:30:02.360 a piling up of

00:30:03.780 issues.

00:30:04.240 There's been a lot

00:30:05.380 of issues here.

00:30:07.900 Can he stay on

00:30:09.160 without outing

00:30:09.860 another race at

00:30:10.600 this point?

00:30:11.420 Or at a

00:30:12.080 minimum, do they

00:30:12.680 have to do the

00:30:13.120 leadership review

00:30:13.660 again?

00:30:14.300 I don't know, I

00:30:15.180 mean, even, let's

00:30:16.100 just assume that it

00:30:16.840 was valid.

00:30:17.940 That's a tepid

00:30:19.060 endorsement for a

00:30:20.140 man who hasn't been

00:30:20.700 leading very long and

00:30:21.920 long after an

00:30:22.960 election.

00:30:23.320 I mean, we've seen

00:30:23.920 cases where there

00:30:25.140 was an attempt to

00:30:25.760 take a run at

00:30:26.680 Daniel Smith at the

00:30:27.500 last AGM and she

00:30:28.640 surpassed 90%.

00:30:29.980 She got like high

00:30:31.380 90.

00:30:31.780 Yeah, and then

00:30:32.480 Ralph Klein, before

00:30:33.740 his, you know,

00:30:34.840 decline was, Ralph

00:30:36.400 Klein used to win

00:30:37.120 those with 80, 90%

00:30:38.780 way up there.

00:30:39.980 A strong leader

00:30:40.580 should be up there.

00:30:41.260 And the 70 is,

00:30:42.100 that's your warning

00:30:43.420 shot.

00:30:43.740 You're clinging for

00:30:44.360 your life.

00:30:44.880 You've got to do

00:30:45.500 something dramatic

00:30:46.380 because that's going

00:30:47.200 to fester.

00:30:48.240 That's going to get

00:30:48.740 worse.

00:30:49.560 And I don't know, by

00:30:50.500 firing a caucus

00:30:51.200 member the day

00:30:51.720 after is the

00:30:52.360 dramatic move you

00:30:53.160 want to be doing.

00:30:54.140 So he's got a

00:30:55.760 hornet's nest on

00:30:57.600 his hands and he

00:30:58.700 has to make some

00:30:59.840 sort of large pivot.

00:31:01.600 I don't know what

00:31:02.340 that pivot is, but

00:31:03.460 he's in dire, dire

00:31:04.520 trouble.

00:31:04.880 I would say the

00:31:07.140 pivot is that they

00:31:08.020 have to, what he

00:31:09.340 is lacking, mean no

00:31:11.900 offense to the

00:31:12.620 incumbent of the

00:31:13.360 present office, where

00:31:14.620 there isn't a chief

00:31:15.380 of staff running

00:31:17.160 that, everything that

00:31:19.280 happens behind the

00:31:20.840 background, behind the

00:31:23.460 facade, if you don't

00:31:24.660 have a strong party

00:31:25.700 apparatus, which

00:31:26.440 manifestly he

00:31:27.240 doesn't, then these

00:31:29.020 things will happen.

00:31:29.860 And it's not

00:31:30.280 surprising.

00:31:30.760 It all came

00:31:32.580 together at the

00:31:33.240 last minute, well

00:31:34.580 figuratively speaking,

00:31:36.100 what are they, 18

00:31:36.720 months old now?

00:31:38.120 There's a sudden

00:31:39.160 desperate rejection

00:31:42.040 of the NDP and

00:31:43.220 all the NDP stood

00:31:44.220 for.

00:31:45.840 Well, they are.

00:31:47.760 But they are a

00:31:49.000 decade old, decade

00:31:50.420 plus old.

00:31:51.360 I mean, they've been

00:31:51.880 around since I was

00:31:52.920 the ancient history,

00:31:55.700 but in terms of

00:31:56.360 being an electoral

00:31:57.040 force.

00:31:57.320 We go back to

00:31:58.060 like Wacky Bennett

00:31:58.980 and stuff.

00:31:59.320 Well, you should

00:32:00.900 also, I think the

00:32:02.900 viewers would be

00:32:03.460 interested to know

00:32:04.100 one of the greatest

00:32:04.960 problems that I

00:32:06.560 myself have had, but

00:32:08.200 so many others that

00:32:09.600 are more deeply

00:32:10.320 involved have had, is

00:32:11.760 how many NDPers and

00:32:13.380 former NDP chiefs of

00:32:14.620 staff and organizers

00:32:15.720 this guy's hired on

00:32:17.280 his staff.

00:32:18.480 That, to me, spoke

00:32:20.400 volumes.

00:32:21.620 And, I mean, these

00:32:22.520 are people that I

00:32:23.400 literally had very

00:32:26.740 aggressive arguments

00:32:28.540 with when I was

00:32:30.000 when I was a pundit

00:32:31.940 and spokesperson with

00:32:32.680 the BC Liberals.

00:32:33.920 These are people that

00:32:34.840 attacked me during the

00:32:36.120 2011 and 2015

00:32:37.480 federal conservative

00:32:38.620 campaigns, and he

00:32:39.960 brought them on.

00:32:41.440 And then there was

00:32:42.240 this mea culpa.

00:32:43.380 They wrote these

00:32:43.920 letters.

00:32:44.460 They reached out to

00:32:45.060 some of us.

00:32:45.740 We're so sorry for

00:32:46.840 our sins.

00:32:47.660 That has left a

00:32:48.740 terrible taste in the

00:32:49.860 mouth of many, many

00:32:51.620 conservatives.

00:32:52.260 So, yeah, there's

00:32:54.540 that as well.

00:32:55.720 We got to fit for a

00:32:58.340 bit in today, so we

00:32:59.340 have to wrap it

00:32:59.960 there, but I'll just

00:33:00.960 leave with this.

00:33:02.720 If you're watching,

00:33:04.120 John Rustad, you

00:33:05.940 got to tighten your

00:33:07.800 shit up.

00:33:09.380 You got to bring back

00:33:10.440 all the MLAs who

00:33:12.420 have been kicked out

00:33:13.880 or have followed

00:33:15.480 others in solidarity

00:33:16.600 for getting kicked

00:33:17.500 out.

00:33:17.860 you've got to

00:33:20.300 rebuild the party

00:33:20.960 apparatus, and at a

00:33:22.540 minimum, you got to

00:33:23.500 redo this leadership

00:33:24.340 review.

00:33:25.380 I like you.

00:33:26.520 I want you to

00:33:27.160 succeed, but this is

00:33:28.820 not going to succeed.

00:33:30.000 You got to tighten

00:33:30.620 this shit up.

00:33:32.380 All right.

00:33:33.420 Speaking of madness

00:33:34.880 in BC, let's turn to

00:33:36.460 something I can't

00:33:37.460 call it later.

00:33:40.420 Somehow, in a very

00:33:41.860 dark and twisted way,

00:33:43.540 funnier-ish?

00:33:44.820 I don't know.

00:33:45.800 It's bizarre.

00:33:46.520 The ostrich farm

00:33:48.700 owners probably don't

00:33:49.440 consider it funny, but

00:33:50.220 it's just kind of

00:33:50.780 funny in that it's

00:33:51.300 become an international

00:33:52.320 story.

00:33:53.280 The ostrich crisis.

00:33:55.540 Yes, I've got many

00:33:56.400 more puns and

00:33:57.880 attempts at being

00:33:58.780 funny about this

00:33:59.660 coming your way.

00:34:01.060 I've also called it

00:34:01.840 ostrich Waco.

00:34:03.480 Someone in our

00:34:03.980 newsroom called it

00:34:05.300 ostrich Ridge,

00:34:06.660 alluding to Ruby

00:34:07.340 Ridge.

00:34:09.380 So, you know,

00:34:10.560 very long story

00:34:11.200 short, concerns

00:34:13.320 about avian flu and

00:34:14.220 whatnot, but none of

00:34:15.260 the existing birds

00:34:16.020 have any traces of

00:34:16.920 it that we know

00:34:17.600 of, and the

00:34:18.420 government is

00:34:18.900 hell-bent on

00:34:20.020 murdering, massacring

00:34:21.400 these poor, noble

00:34:24.180 birds.

00:34:25.740 But the owners are

00:34:26.720 not putting their

00:34:27.380 head in the sand.

00:34:28.640 They're fighting on.

00:34:29.540 See, I can keep

00:34:30.340 going.

00:34:30.820 I see that.

00:34:31.640 I got more.

00:34:33.160 I'm here on.

00:34:35.520 They're fighting on.

00:34:38.100 The cops showed up

00:34:39.520 yesterday with a

00:34:42.020 warrant to take the

00:34:44.740 birds away.

00:34:45.720 The owners of the

00:34:47.140 birds and the

00:34:47.640 farm did not

00:34:48.600 comply.

00:34:49.180 They were arrested,

00:34:51.000 taken away from

00:34:52.220 their beautiful birds,

00:34:54.160 and I guess the

00:34:56.480 RC, maybe it was the

00:34:58.140 RCs, but there was

00:35:00.000 cops there with the

00:35:01.700 wildlife guys.

00:35:03.560 Set up barriers so

00:35:05.280 that the news cameras

00:35:06.860 couldn't get any

00:35:08.540 footage of them

00:35:09.460 murdering the birds.

00:35:10.560 And then I got to

00:35:11.920 give hats off to a 0.98

00:35:12.920 friendly competitor

00:35:13.560 here.

00:35:15.200 Rebel News rented a

00:35:16.600 friggin' helicopter.

00:35:19.220 It started circling

00:35:20.620 above.

00:35:21.200 Let's make sure we

00:35:21.760 got some footage

00:35:22.360 playing on the side

00:35:23.120 here.

00:35:23.680 Rebel News rented a

00:35:24.880 friggin' helicopter.

00:35:27.220 I think it would have

00:35:27.980 been cheaper to get a

00:35:28.580 drone, but anyway,

00:35:29.960 they got a helicopter,

00:35:30.720 made it more funny,

00:35:31.940 and going overhead,

00:35:33.380 and just before the

00:35:34.700 axe comes down to

00:35:35.640 murder these birds,

00:35:38.420 they get a court

00:35:39.060 injunction, putting a

00:35:41.020 stay on, a stay of

00:35:41.880 execution, maybe you'd

00:35:43.080 call it.

00:35:44.040 So the birds are

00:35:45.280 alive right now,

00:35:47.760 but they're still

00:35:48.520 slotted to be killed.

00:35:51.060 I don't know who

00:35:51.840 wants to pick up this

00:35:52.740 one.

00:35:53.780 Well, you know, as a

00:35:54.980 sort of an animal

00:35:55.680 lover and a

00:35:56.300 sentimentalist, of

00:35:57.520 course, I'm delighted

00:35:58.720 that the birds are

00:36:00.420 going to make it.

00:36:01.020 This has got all the

00:36:02.600 makings of a Disney

00:36:03.640 movie one day, or

00:36:05.720 at least it would have

00:36:06.300 been days when Disney

00:36:07.160 wasn't so crazy, but

00:36:08.240 at any rate, this is

00:36:09.360 a happy story because

00:36:10.540 people are rallying to

00:36:13.100 the defense of the

00:36:14.260 defenseless birds.

00:36:17.220 I feel a little sorry

00:36:18.360 for the police.

00:36:19.040 I don't think this is a

00:36:19.820 job that makes them

00:36:20.680 look good, and they're

00:36:21.520 probably a very, you

00:36:23.060 know, they don't want

00:36:23.760 to be doing this.

00:36:27.120 But, you know, there's

00:36:29.080 one small thing that

00:36:31.340 takes the thrill out of

00:36:33.540 it for me, and that is

00:36:34.860 that the stay of

00:36:35.820 execution was based on

00:36:38.600 an argument that this

00:36:41.060 farm is on native land,

00:36:43.660 therefore, the native

00:36:46.360 land is, you know,

00:36:48.420 basically, we're not in

00:36:49.540 favor.

00:36:50.120 That's the grounds for

00:36:51.560 not murdering the birds?

00:36:52.720 Yeah, like, as if Indians 1.00

00:36:57.000 wouldn't eat ostriches if 0.95

00:36:58.140 they ever had them, but

00:36:59.000 wasn't there a long

00:36:59.640 saying, any ostrich

00:37:00.940 hunting tribe out there

00:37:02.280 in interior B.C.?

00:37:03.340 I don't know.

00:37:04.840 Was there?

00:37:05.480 No, I don't think so.

00:37:07.300 I think that's fake news,

00:37:08.340 Corey.

00:37:08.700 Yeah.

00:37:09.020 I think that's fake news.

00:37:09.780 You know what I think it

00:37:11.160 was?

00:37:12.160 I think what it is, is up

00:37:13.760 in northeastern B.C.,

00:37:15.900 there's a, it's a, you'll

00:37:17.800 recognize it, it's got a

00:37:18.960 real Albertan feel to it,

00:37:20.640 you know, freedom and

00:37:21.880 liberty and all the above.

00:37:23.560 And out there, there are

00:37:25.980 many First Nations that,

00:37:28.060 like the gun buyback

00:37:29.860 program, will oppose

00:37:31.540 what was happening with

00:37:34.760 the ostriches.

00:37:35.580 And I think what they did

00:37:36.820 was they rightfully so

00:37:38.480 laid down their

00:37:40.160 ancestral rights as a

00:37:41.840 way of just blocking

00:37:42.880 it.

00:37:43.720 I don't think this was

00:37:44.640 meant to be, I

00:37:45.600 understand your concern,

00:37:47.060 Nigel, a lot of people

00:37:48.000 have remarked upon that,

00:37:50.020 but this, I think, was

00:37:51.160 friendly fire in the

00:37:52.720 sense of, okay, well,

00:37:54.660 then we're going to use

00:37:55.540 our title, right?

00:37:57.080 And because it had

00:37:58.320 turned into a nutcase

00:38:00.000 situation.

00:38:01.460 Well, I have to say, if

00:38:03.320 our Canadian border

00:38:04.200 services operated like,

00:38:06.280 you know, the Canadian

00:38:07.320 Food Inspection Agency,

00:38:08.440 we would know where

00:38:09.820 those 178 very dangerous

00:38:12.840 illegal aliens are 0.99

00:38:14.280 residing in this

00:38:15.440 country.

00:38:16.300 They, I, and I

00:38:17.980 commend our competitor

00:38:19.280 Rebel, because what

00:38:20.260 began to happen was

00:38:21.480 there was these

00:38:22.920 clandestine movements by

00:38:25.180 the Food Inspection

00:38:26.400 Agency, and it had

00:38:28.280 nothing to do with the

00:38:29.220 RCMP.

00:38:30.200 They were acting like

00:38:31.160 they were on the hunt

00:38:32.040 for Bin Laden, and

00:38:33.840 they actually cut the

00:38:34.880 power to the ranch,

00:38:36.360 right?

00:38:36.700 So you're watching this

00:38:38.680 in real time.

00:38:39.920 I think our reporters

00:38:41.080 covered it.

00:38:41.940 Many others covered it

00:38:43.160 too.

00:38:43.700 And it reminded me of

00:38:44.840 that Bin Laden video 0.95

00:38:46.660 that you saw where it's

00:38:47.700 dark and the seals come

00:38:48.840 out.

00:38:49.380 That was what was

00:38:50.200 happening.

00:38:50.780 So it's a total

00:38:52.300 embarrassment.

00:38:53.520 I'm embarrassed.

00:38:54.720 I'm really embarrassed

00:38:55.640 of the Canadians.

00:38:56.640 I was kind of shit

00:39:00.360 posting last night when

00:39:01.380 I said it was Ostrich

00:39:02.400 Waco, and then video

00:39:04.160 play.

00:39:04.420 Let's put the video up

00:39:05.260 of someone alleged it

00:39:08.200 was fire, that there

00:39:09.680 was fire going on in

00:39:10.780 the Ostrich Sarm.

00:39:12.000 And I thought, oh my

00:39:12.840 God, the FBI and ATF

00:39:14.100 are using CS gas?

00:39:15.680 They're trying, what,

00:39:16.540 they're going to cover

00:39:17.100 it up by murdering

00:39:18.100 everybody?

00:39:19.220 Now, I was, I did

00:39:20.880 comment on that video

00:39:21.740 because I couldn't

00:39:22.300 verify it was the

00:39:23.040 farm.

00:39:23.300 It has since been

00:39:24.120 verified.

00:39:24.360 Yeah, there was, I

00:39:25.220 guess, a fire at the

00:39:26.220 farm.

00:39:27.020 Yeah.

00:39:27.520 I don't know how the

00:39:28.460 hell that happened,

00:39:29.220 but as far as I know,

00:39:31.420 no, they did not use

00:39:32.700 CS gas and murder all 0.80

00:39:34.660 of the...

00:39:35.580 Bring some barbecue

00:39:36.540 sauce and make the

00:39:37.360 most of it.

00:39:37.920 Yeah.

00:39:38.260 Oh, and just fact

00:39:39.840 checking you, I think

00:39:41.060 ostriches are indigenous

00:39:42.240 to Australia.

00:39:43.500 Yes.

00:39:44.040 No, but just a side

00:39:45.420 note for where I was

00:39:46.200 going with that.

00:39:47.040 There was a case in

00:39:49.040 interior BC where

00:39:50.700 First Nations band won

00:39:52.420 by claiming that this

00:39:54.220 valley is an area

00:39:55.180 where they had been

00:39:55.760 hunting and managing

00:39:56.660 wild horses for

00:39:57.540 hundreds and hundreds

00:39:58.140 and horses, but the 0.99

00:39:59.220 horses aren't

00:39:59.760 indigenous either.

00:40:00.960 No, because

00:40:01.740 because indigenous

00:40:03.200 science is to be

00:40:04.240 considered unquestioning,

00:40:06.400 the judge still ruled

00:40:07.380 in their favor and

00:40:08.000 said, well, if they

00:40:08.520 said so, then I

00:40:09.460 guess screw the

00:40:10.560 lack of...

00:40:10.800 Well, me and my

00:40:11.680 ancestors have been

00:40:12.760 hunting ostriches of 0.95

00:40:14.240 Rocky View County for

00:40:15.100 five years.

00:40:15.560 So they could claim

00:40:16.420 to be ostrich hunters

00:40:17.280 and might have a case

00:40:18.220 handmade.

00:40:18.520 But the end of the

00:40:20.220 story is that the

00:40:21.020 taxpayers are now

00:40:22.120 footing the bill for

00:40:23.160 the health and the

00:40:24.140 food and the care of

00:40:25.440 these ostriches, as 0.86

00:40:26.500 our former agriculture

00:40:27.880 minister, Jerry

00:40:28.640 Ritz, pointed out on

00:40:30.960 Twitter today.

00:40:32.980 Now it's all up to the

00:40:35.360 state to take care of

00:40:36.440 them because they're

00:40:37.060 literally in a holding

00:40:38.200 pattern or a holding

00:40:39.620 pen right now.

00:40:40.600 Nobody has...

00:40:41.860 It's my understanding

00:40:42.720 or Jerry's

00:40:43.260 understanding.

00:40:43.760 The original owners

00:40:46.200 or the true owners

00:40:47.420 don't...

00:40:48.300 They have no

00:40:49.120 interaction with these

00:40:50.000 ostriches.

00:40:50.500 So it's back to the

00:40:51.200 taxpayers it goes, as

00:40:52.760 per usual in Canada.

00:40:54.360 But I will say this.

00:40:55.600 If my suspicion is

00:40:56.940 correct and the

00:40:57.680 First Nations there

00:40:58.480 did this just to push

00:41:00.160 back, this is where

00:41:02.880 we can come together.

00:41:04.060 I like that.

00:41:05.240 It's kind of a nice

00:41:06.320 part for the story.

00:41:08.360 The big lab deal

00:41:09.800 search was good too.

00:41:10.980 What the reconciliation

00:41:11.580 looks like.

00:41:12.540 Yeah, you know, yeah.

00:41:13.760 We're using it for

00:41:14.740 good.

00:41:15.580 And I'll just say

00:41:16.600 this.

00:41:17.420 This is how we've

00:41:18.140 been harping on the

00:41:18.800 government for murdering

00:41:19.680 these poor birds.

00:41:20.680 But there is a place

00:41:22.620 for culling.

00:41:23.660 Avian flu is very

00:41:24.880 serious.

00:41:25.560 It can sweep through

00:41:26.600 a flock and get

00:41:27.920 beyond that flock and

00:41:28.900 damage other flocks at

00:41:30.340 other farms.

00:41:31.280 There is a place for

00:41:32.880 state intervention in

00:41:33.980 culling animals

00:41:34.780 sometimes.

00:41:36.900 It would appear,

00:41:38.360 though, that this is

00:41:38.920 overzealous that they

00:41:41.020 have gone to

00:41:41.740 significant lengths to

00:41:42.680 prove that there is

00:41:43.860 no avian flu in the

00:41:44.640 remaining birds.

00:41:45.380 Some did die from

00:41:46.400 it.

00:41:46.940 Some died and they're

00:41:47.860 not sure what from.

00:41:50.140 But I mean, so what

00:41:51.740 I'm not saying that

00:41:52.840 there is never a time

00:41:53.740 to kill the ostriches.

00:41:55.360 I'm just saying this

00:41:56.220 was probably not it.

00:41:57.540 And the government's

00:41:58.040 making an ass of 0.98

00:41:58.720 itself.

00:41:59.680 And I also think we're

00:42:00.980 missing a huge

00:42:01.640 opportunity to test how

00:42:03.160 they got such a strong

00:42:04.920 herd immunity.

00:42:05.680 immunity.

00:42:07.240 But I think that the

00:42:08.560 government is hell

00:42:09.360 bent on this.

00:42:10.180 I think they're

00:42:10.620 probably going to try

00:42:11.340 and test them for

00:42:11.980 COVID next.

00:42:12.800 I'm not so sure.

00:42:14.080 They'll come up with

00:42:14.800 some sort of animal

00:42:15.580 COVID.

00:42:17.100 But I agree with you,

00:42:19.020 Derek.

00:42:19.200 The one thing we need

00:42:19.920 to remember is look

00:42:20.720 what happened in the

00:42:21.480 UK with the cows.

00:42:22.740 Look what we you have

00:42:24.380 to take this very

00:42:25.260 seriously.

00:42:26.140 But I think they've

00:42:26.880 proven time and time

00:42:27.860 again in this case that

00:42:28.820 there is a strong herd

00:42:30.140 immunity.

00:42:31.620 And the problem is,

00:42:32.340 is the Canadian Food

00:42:33.100 Inspection Agency is

00:42:34.220 using the comparables of

00:42:35.480 the analysis from

00:42:36.300 chickens on on avian

00:42:38.560 flu.

00:42:39.180 This is a completely

00:42:40.020 different species.

00:42:41.760 And and they have been

00:42:43.640 able to demonstrate

00:42:44.400 that.

00:42:44.980 So it'll be interesting

00:42:46.140 to see what their

00:42:48.260 legal appeal or their

00:42:49.460 court case looks like.

00:42:50.420 And I'm sure they're

00:42:51.200 going to have lots of

00:42:51.960 lawyers volunteering to

00:42:53.220 join to support them.

00:42:55.640 Her immunity is just a 0.85

00:42:57.040 myth meant by invented

00:42:58.540 by anti-vaxxers to not

00:42:59.920 do their duty for

00:43:00.620 society.

00:43:03.000 It's so interesting.

00:43:04.140 We don't have time for

00:43:07.760 our last segment because

00:43:08.540 we've had to fit the

00:43:09.780 hostage crisis in.

00:43:11.780 So we're just going to

00:43:12.620 go to we're going to go

00:43:14.060 with a parting shot.

00:43:14.780 But what I'm going to do

00:43:15.420 is I'm just going to make

00:43:16.020 that last fourth segment

00:43:17.140 my parting shot on the

00:43:19.480 notwithstanding clause.

00:43:20.900 You've got the NDP here

00:43:22.620 in Alberta fighting

00:43:24.880 against using the not

00:43:26.420 withstanding clause,

00:43:27.480 which appears to be the

00:43:28.840 Alberta government's

00:43:29.500 intention here to pass

00:43:31.460 what they call anti-trans

00:43:33.080 legislation, which is

00:43:34.080 things like keeping boys

00:43:35.800 out of girls sports

00:43:36.920 and, you know,

00:43:40.920 giving making sure

00:43:43.220 schools don't change

00:43:44.780 the pronouns of young

00:43:46.700 children without parental

00:43:47.920 knowledge or consent,

00:43:49.760 that kind of thing.

00:43:51.260 They're fighting against

00:43:52.320 the right to use the not

00:43:53.020 withstanding clause there.

00:43:54.220 And then in Quebec,

00:43:55.920 Quebec government, I don't

00:43:57.080 know all the details of

00:43:57.860 their bill, but it's

00:43:58.420 another one of these

00:43:59.140 Quebec identity bills.

00:44:02.080 Quebec being Quebec,

00:44:03.620 doing Quebec stuff.

00:44:05.640 And in it, they're using

00:44:06.960 the notwithstanding clause,

00:44:07.980 which they've done many

00:44:09.120 times in the past.

00:44:11.460 And the federal government

00:44:12.840 is fighting them in court

00:44:13.880 for their ability to use

00:44:15.040 it.

00:44:16.520 The notwithstanding clause

00:44:17.900 could be used for

00:44:19.020 illegitimate purposes.

00:44:19.840 If I was an Anglophone

00:44:21.160 living in Quebec, I would

00:44:22.220 not like its use.

00:44:25.120 But that is not how the

00:44:27.000 notwithstanding clause is

00:44:27.740 written.

00:44:28.060 It doesn't say if you

00:44:29.320 agree with using it or

00:44:30.120 not with using it.

00:44:31.040 It is a part of the

00:44:32.340 Charter of Rights and

00:44:33.060 Freedoms.

00:44:33.560 It was put forward by

00:44:34.620 Albertus Peter Lougheed.

00:44:36.660 The Charter of Rights and

00:44:38.160 Freedoms would not have

00:44:39.620 been passed.

00:44:40.240 They come into existence

00:44:41.120 without the notwithstanding

00:44:42.800 clause in it, because it

00:44:44.120 was meant to prevent the

00:44:45.360 hyper-presidentialization and

00:44:47.920 written constitutionalization

00:44:49.580 or Americanization, if you

00:44:51.060 will, of our

00:44:51.980 constitution, intruding on

00:44:53.420 our Westminster

00:44:53.960 traditions.

00:44:54.600 It's a perfectly legitimate

00:44:59.300 tool to be used, sometimes

00:45:00.560 for good reasons, sometimes

00:45:01.760 for bad.

00:45:02.240 That'll depend on your

00:45:03.480 reasons.

00:45:04.160 But the liberals are trying

00:45:05.500 to get the courts here to

00:45:07.820 unilaterally rewrite the

00:45:10.340 constitution itself.

00:45:11.480 It's one thing, and probably

00:45:13.440 not good, but it's one thing

00:45:16.080 when the courts rewrite

00:45:17.600 legislation.

00:45:18.740 It's something else entirely

00:45:20.200 when they rewrite the

00:45:21.400 constitution itself.

00:45:22.960 That invalidates the

00:45:24.540 constitution if the judges

00:45:25.820 get to write it.

00:45:27.060 Couldn't agree more.

00:45:28.840 Excellent.

00:45:29.580 No.

00:45:30.500 So I'm just, you know, doing

00:45:32.240 the headline scan for this

00:45:34.360 program today.

00:45:36.380 So I see two things.

00:45:38.280 On the one hand, Carney

00:45:39.980 recognizes Palestine.

00:45:41.680 That is going to make it

00:45:42.880 harder to deal with the

00:45:43.760 United States, because the 0.94

00:45:45.120 United States is not

00:45:46.320 recognizing Palestine, nor

00:45:48.740 should they, and nor should

00:45:51.320 we, but it is going to make

00:45:52.880 the trade, it's like poking

00:45:54.920 your finger in Trump's eye

00:45:57.260 and it's just, why would you

00:45:58.980 do that?

00:45:59.980 He did it, even though

00:46:02.020 neither of the two

00:46:03.780 conditions that he announced

00:46:05.020 a month ago have been met.

00:46:06.760 Hamas is not disarming, and 1.00

00:46:08.260 there's no commitment to a

00:46:09.820 two-state solution on the

00:46:11.080 other side.

00:46:12.260 So anyway, there's your one

00:46:13.520 headline.

00:46:14.820 Then on the other, this is

00:46:16.560 the National Post, I'm sorry,

00:46:17.940 but Carney touts trade

00:46:19.960 possibilities with China.

00:46:22.280 Aims to meet with Xi.

00:46:25.020 You get it?

00:46:26.260 Screw the U.S. 0.61

00:46:27.400 We're going to work with

00:46:28.380 China, and this is what

00:46:31.560 Canada's future looks like

00:46:34.360 with Mr. Carney.

00:46:36.320 Not a good thing.

00:46:38.360 Corey.

00:46:39.680 Well, BC NDP Finance

00:46:42.540 Minister Brenda Blair went to

00:46:44.160 Boston and blew over $6,000

00:46:46.460 riding around in a limousine.

00:46:48.520 This is a pure socialist and

00:46:50.020 socialist action, telling

00:46:51.180 everyone to tighten their

00:46:52.480 belts for the sake of the

00:46:53.520 collective whilst riding in

00:46:55.200 luxury.

00:46:56.080 These are the gems that

00:46:57.520 Rustad's missing out on

00:46:58.860 while he's busy fighting with

00:47:00.420 his own party.

00:47:00.980 Limousine liberals.

00:47:03.560 Limousine Marxist millionaires.

00:47:06.400 Champagne socialists.

00:47:08.120 Well, I hope that wasn't you.

00:47:09.460 It was a BC one, so I hope

00:47:10.840 Corey can steal that from you.

00:47:13.080 No, I saw that.

00:47:15.100 Well done on you, Corey,

00:47:16.220 because that was, well, I'm

00:47:18.360 from BC.

00:47:19.080 I know this NDP.

00:47:20.140 It was not a surprise to me.

00:47:22.160 Has anyone heard of Uber

00:47:23.380 Black? 0.74

00:47:24.000 I mean, $6,000 on a limo.

00:47:26.880 Champagne socialists.

00:47:27.940 So my one show, we'll have

00:47:36.120 to talk about how my gender

00:47:37.800 seems to be scandal ridden the

00:47:40.600 moment they get into the

00:47:41.740 Governor General's residence.

00:47:42.960 We haven't had one, three in a

00:47:44.600 row.

00:47:45.220 My parting shot, my parting

00:47:47.380 shot, it bleeds out from what

00:47:49.900 Corey just said.

00:47:50.980 It's time for John Rustad to

00:47:52.380 call a leadership race.

00:47:53.860 BC is in serious financial,

00:47:56.300 economic, and social trouble,

00:47:58.580 and we are not going to be able

00:48:00.180 to get to where we need to get

00:48:01.760 to with the NDP.

00:48:03.840 EB's leadership is very shaky.

00:48:05.980 His own caucus is looking at him,

00:48:07.680 questioning whether they want to

00:48:08.780 go with him, they want to go

00:48:10.740 any further.

00:48:11.440 We need a conservative leadership

00:48:13.520 race in British Columbia.

00:48:15.640 All right.

00:48:16.760 There we go.

00:48:18.240 Elise, Corey, Nigel, thank you

00:48:20.360 very much.

00:48:21.480 Thank you, gentlemen.

00:48:23.140 Elise.

00:48:23.520 And thank all of you for

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Western Standard - September 29, 2025

THE PIPELINE： Killing gun rights, ostriches, and the notwithstanding clause

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