Western Standard - The Pipeline： Liberal judge lets Liberals off the hook on the Emergencies Act

00:00:00.000 it's february 22nd uh wednesday and welcome to the pipeline

00:00:29.200 I'm Corey Morgan, one of the regular columnists with the Western Standard, and I have the Corey

00:00:33.620 Morgan Show. It's usually our publisher, Derek Fildebrandt, sitting here, but he's indisposed

00:00:38.320 today, so you're stuck with me. And we have Jonathan Bradley sitting in today as well,

00:00:43.720 so it'll be a little different, but we're going to cover a few good items today. Before we get

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00:01:16.920 guys. We really appreciate it and it allows us to keep producing this content. So today I am also

00:01:22.580 joined by our opinion editor, Nigel Hannaford.

00:01:26.420 Hello again, Corey.

00:01:27.420 You're still in your middle spot.

00:01:28.480 Little has changed with you today.

00:01:30.200 Life goes on.

00:01:31.700 More of the same.

00:01:32.540 We carry on, we push on with our mighty bearded,

00:01:36.060 strange leader.

00:01:37.320 And Jonathan Bradley, our intrepid Calgary reporter.

00:01:41.060 Yes, second time on here.

00:01:42.300 Over in the end, second time of an appearance.

00:01:44.380 So welcome, Jonathan.

00:01:46.900 Well, let's see what news has got us worked up this week.

00:01:50.620 Yep.

00:01:51.620 We'll start with, okay, I'll give you a bit of a prompt.

00:01:53.620 Yes, in the title of that was that

00:01:54.820 expropriating the property of the offensive.

00:01:57.500 And we had a story in the standard order recently.

00:01:59.380 So Jonathan, yes, is there?

00:02:00.500 Yes.

00:02:00.800 Newsman, frame that up.

00:02:01.860 What do we got going on here?

00:02:02.760 So the Canadian Human Rights Commission put out a report recently

00:02:05.460 about how properties should be expropriated by the government

00:02:10.920 if there's violations of human rights.

00:02:14.740 So that includes the right to adequate housing.

00:02:18.260 and it mentioned that a large number of properties in Canada are owned by commercial property owners.

00:02:25.900 So like, you know, like a chain that opens like multiple condos.

00:02:31.000 And it's cited as an example of a human rights violation, a condo set in Toronto where it was tarped over,

00:02:38.000 preventing people from having views and sunlight.

00:02:41.280 Yeah, the definition of what's a human right and what isn't seems to get pretty fluid in that document as I read through it.

00:02:48.260 And it's quite a document.

00:02:49.600 Nigel, you've looked at it in length.

00:02:52.340 What do you get about that piece of work?

00:02:54.540 I've done my turn as a landlord, so this caught my eye right away.

00:02:59.000 And I think it's worth saying, just to be super clear,

00:03:02.140 that what they're talking about is expropriating the property of not,

00:03:09.040 you know, your grandmother who rents out her basement suite,

00:03:12.920 but very large companies that have gone in and bought up apartment blocks with the sole

00:03:19.800 expectation of making a profit from it which have got no problem with but they do but we are talking

00:03:28.460 about institutional property owners not ordinary folks who are who are yes just you know so large

00:03:36.220 corporations exactly all right well the idea of oh man this is this is crazy so many uh at so many

00:03:44.380 levels but the um the words go back to the national housing strategy act which is a trudeau era

00:03:52.860 from 2019 an act from a parliament and it defines housing as a human right and it commits

00:04:01.580 are further to the so-called progressive realization of the right to adequate housing.

00:04:08.860 Now, nowhere does it define what adequate is, nor does it define what progressive realization

00:04:16.060 really means. You have to go back to the United Nations documents that underpin all this. This

00:04:22.300 is another of these examples, Corey, of where when they don't know what to do they look to the United

00:04:28.140 nations and they get an idea they bring it back here and canadianize it and where the human rights

00:04:33.500 commission comes into this is that if human rights are violated by these institutional investors

00:04:44.060 they reserve the right to expropriate their property so how would an institutional investor

00:04:52.780 you ask uh violate the the the rights of the tenants well it can be and here i'm quoting from

00:05:02.860 the the book of words on this expropriate housing owned by financial firms when their business

00:05:10.380 strategies are known to violate human rights including the right to adequate housing by

00:05:17.100 planning to raise rents, evict so they can renovate, or reduce the quality of

00:05:26.100 housing, states should expropriate housing owned by financial firms above

00:05:34.680 a set maximum. And there's a, you know, there's only so many housing units that

00:05:39.340 they're allowed to earn. Now this is a problem on about three levels. First of

00:05:44.300 Well, is housing a right?

00:05:45.840 I mean, is food a right?

00:05:48.940 Are we going to have a safe way to oblige to give you food?

00:05:55.220 It's housing is a service that you buy.

00:05:59.340 And the problem with declaring it a right is that in this case,

00:06:06.720 it becomes somebody else's obligation.

00:06:08.860 I have a right to housing.

00:06:10.940 Who's going to pay for it?

00:06:12.480 You.

00:06:12.880 You.

00:06:13.500 You know.

00:06:13.840 how does that work exactly so it's easy to declare something a right it's not so easy

00:06:18.900 to actually make it a reality the second thing there are three things that's the first the second

00:06:26.280 thing is that any consideration on anything by a human rights commission is not rigorous in the

00:06:34.380 same way as the consideration of the same thing under the criminal code would be these people

00:06:40.960 tend to make it up as they go along and anybody who's ever been involved with free speech arguments

00:06:45.660 knows that there really is no defense once you are accused you're pretty much at the mercy of

00:06:54.120 the human rights commission if that's how property owners are going to be treated

00:07:00.580 then that leads to the third problem which is perverse consequences you are going to

00:07:07.900 If you make it hard for people to invest in property, people will not invest in property, and the supply of quality property, adequate housing, as they like to call it, will diminish.

00:07:23.160 The same with rent controls.

00:07:25.180 If you make it so that the owner can't make any money out of it, they don't invest, they don't fix, they don't repair, and the quality goes down and people live in misery.

00:07:34.620 Well, pretty much what I read out of it as well and the chill that it would put upon

00:07:41.180 investment landlords if such a thing started moving forward. I mean, the capital flight

00:07:46.620 from these buildings would be immense, but I think perhaps that's the intention.

00:07:52.140 What do you think, Jonathan? Well, I mean, I'm a renter, so when I moved to Calgary, I thought,

00:07:59.740 oh, Calgary's going to be much cheaper in Toronto. I'm from Toronto and rent is

00:08:03.020 off the chain in toronto but about part of that is because in toronto certain buildings have rent

00:08:08.460 control um but even here like i think that if we were to institute something like this

00:08:14.620 or even you know some measures like rent control then we'd see the prices go even higher i know

00:08:20.540 that in the downtown core it's it calgary's downtown course starting to be like toronto a bit

00:08:25.660 in terms of prices it's it's nowhere nearer but it's starting to be where like it was a few years

00:08:30.140 ago in toronto and i mean we could you know disregard this say as some flight of fancy from

00:08:36.380 a professor or university or something but the problem was this was commissioned by a human

00:08:40.860 rights commission and you know they solicited these recommendations so i think we should

00:08:47.420 unfortunately have to take this a little bit seriously i think we do and you know one of the

00:08:51.100 things that human rights commissions and people who operate in that kind of swimming pool don't

00:08:56.300 understand is what the reality is on the ground now like i said i i've had a little experience

00:09:03.020 of renting out properties there are three costs to the landlord there is the city taxes

00:09:12.940 there are all the costs which a condominium owner would pay himself as part of his condominium fee

00:09:21.660 you know cleaning of the grounds repairing of the elevators all that or even amenities like

00:09:25.420 the gym or the pool or whatever if your building has that assuming assuming that you have those

00:09:30.700 things they are part of the condo fee if you are the whole the owner of the property that's your

00:09:34.940 expense to keep it up and then the third thing is that if you have got money invested in a piece of

00:09:41.900 property what are you giving up in order to have that piece of property if you shall we say have

00:09:51.340 a quarter of a million dollars you could put it out to interest and have no risk whatsoever

00:10:01.980 interest on a interest on a quarter of a million dollars probably be a thousand dollars a month

00:10:09.740 present rates so when you add if you look at a one bedroom apartment and we'll talk about

00:10:16.460 calgary because that's where we are yes and we kind of know the know the situation

00:10:23.260 the sort of average price of a one bedroom apartment is about 250 000 now that's a median

00:10:30.460 you can find them cheaper than that you can pay a lot more and the rents range from 900 something

00:10:36.140 that nobody in their right mind would ever pay but for that quarter of a million dollar

00:10:40.860 property, you are going to be paying out about $1,600 in city taxes, the equivalent of condo

00:10:49.020 fees and whatever the opportunity cost is of that money. Well, guess what? The average cost,

00:10:56.720 the median cost is $1,650 a month. So really, the landlord's not making a whole hell of a lot out

00:11:03.300 of it. People like to complain that rents have gone up by 40% in 12 months. And yes, they have.

00:11:09.000 And if you're a poor guy paying it, you're really feeling it.

00:11:13.200 But on the other hand, how much was the landlord losing 12 months ago?

00:11:18.340 And what was his incentive to maintain the property?

00:11:21.360 The answer is it was a tough go for landlords.

00:11:24.300 And now it's about right.

00:11:26.140 And that really is the right to everybody to make a living and rent a decent piece of property.

00:11:33.720 Yeah, well, we can only hope that that gets somehow filed in the circular drawer where it belongs.

00:11:38.580 And, you know, just to kind of close out on that, I mean, people like demonizing the evil mustache tweaking landlord.

00:11:44.780 But in reality, these companies are usually backed by your own pension funds.

00:11:49.320 These people don't realize, too, that the money, if it makes money, typically is actually coming back to them in pension fund growth, RRSPs, other such.

00:11:58.060 I mean, it's not money that evaporates.

00:12:00.660 That is such a good point.

00:12:01.720 A profit or there's no screws McDuck swimming through a money bin.

00:12:05.780 It's actually collectively owned in a sense.

00:12:08.580 And they're kicking themselves if they make these all not wrong.

00:12:11.520 All those teachers' pension funds.

00:12:13.140 Oh, yes.

00:12:13.700 Oh, we could do a whole show on that.

00:12:15.540 They're very good money managers. 0.98

00:12:17.200 Well, that's extremely hypocritical, too. 0.95

00:12:19.580 Yeah. 0.84

00:12:20.060 All right.

00:12:20.660 Well, we'll move along.

00:12:21.780 Oh, yes.

00:12:22.240 I mean, it's just a bizarre, well, nothing surprises out of our government anymore.

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00:13:26.060 Sports Association, and you will find them and help yourself there, guys. All right. So speaking

00:13:32.160 to Liberals, as we often do, we've had a ruling from the Emergencies Act from a Liberal judge,

00:13:39.400 or at least certainly appears quite liberal. This has been a few days since then. Most people

00:13:45.020 already heard about it. We'll chat a little bit. Give us the rundown, Jonathan. What do we got?

00:13:48.560 So Public Order Emergency Commissioner Paul Rouleau released his report from the

00:13:55.680 Emergencies Act inquiry that happened in November and December. We saw multiple witnesses be called

00:14:01.520 to that, whether that be politicians such as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland,

00:14:08.000 along with various people who were involved with it. We know we saw Tamara Litch, Chris Barber,

00:14:14.080 Jeremy McKenzie, people such as that. With the report, it's often a requirement of a

00:14:20.480 Public Order Emergency Commission to issue a report determining whether or not the act was

00:14:25.440 justified. And in this case, Rouleau did find that the act was justified to stop the Freedom Convoy,

00:14:33.520 but he gave a whole bunch of condemnations of Trudeau and things that could have been done

00:14:40.160 differently. That's interesting. So what did you read and interpret out of Rouleau's ruling, Nigel?

00:14:46.560 Well, I was puzzled by, at first, by the great reluctance that he seemed to be expressing. That

00:14:57.200 he said the very words, with reluctance, I must conclude that the conditions were met.

00:15:04.800 so what are the conditions well they are for the purposes of the act a national emergency

00:15:12.480 is an urgent and critical situation of a temporary nature that endangers lives health or safety of

00:15:20.960 canadians you as everybody's read the same stuff everybody's read the reports if they're interested

00:15:29.840 They've seen the TV shows. They certainly saw what the convoy was like in Ottawa.

00:15:35.780 And it's rather hard, actually, to make the argument that anybody's life was seriously in danger.

00:15:43.940 But anyway, that was, so why, when that seemed so obvious, why was he so reluctant?

00:15:50.900 And one of the, you have to turn to the recommendations at the back.

00:15:55.060 And then I think he was reluctant because he didn't really have all the information that he needed to draw that conclusion.

00:16:05.140 And yet he felt he had to draw it anyway because he had lines approaching.

00:16:09.480 Yeah. So what information then did he not have?

00:16:13.960 Well, he said, for example, I have to turn to my notes here.

00:16:19.400 He said that the Emergency Act should require that the federal government deliver to the commission a comprehensive statement setting out the factual and legal basis for the declaration.

00:16:34.260 Why did they do it?

00:16:35.260 Put it in writing.

00:16:37.060 And I must confess, and this is a fault in me.

00:16:40.660 it never occurred to me

00:16:43.060 that that was not part of the process

00:16:46.160 you know

00:16:47.200 you just would think

00:16:48.980 well look you know we've done this

00:16:51.320 and we want you to look at it

00:16:52.460 here's what we did and why we did it

00:16:53.980 no such document exists

00:16:57.500 he didn't have that

00:16:59.120 so all of

00:17:01.260 whatever conclusions he was trying to

00:17:03.720 draw he had to pull

00:17:05.700 out of the witnesses

00:17:06.620 which takes you to the second thing

00:17:08.700 he's recommended

00:17:12.040 remember if he's recommending it

00:17:14.560 it's because it hasn't been done

00:17:16.480 in the past

00:17:17.280 in the future he recommends that

00:17:20.180 everybody involved, the elected officials

00:17:22.300 and the bureaucrats supporting them 0.68

00:17:24.660 should make an

00:17:26.060 here's the quote, a thorough written

00:17:28.480 record of the process

00:17:30.540 leading to the decision

00:17:32.740 you mean

00:17:34.620 they didn't

00:17:36.280 take notes

00:17:37.680 You know, I mean, secrecy in government these days is, I mean, so many times you'll hear the message, don't put it in writing, just call me, you know?

00:17:50.060 Well, for something like this, that's not good enough.

00:17:55.820 You've got to keep a note of these things.

00:17:58.840 And the fact that he is asking for such a procedure tells you that it was not observed.

00:18:05.060 And then finally, when he did get material from the government, half the time, it was redacted.

00:18:10.580 Anything that might have been helpful.

00:18:13.760 So, oh, actually, there's one other thing.

00:18:18.980 Yes, any documents that he was looking at were redacted.

00:18:24.380 Anytime he introduced, anytime he interviewed somebody important, like Lometi, for example,

00:18:30.820 they just claim privilege.

00:18:32.140 Well, I don't have to answer that.

00:18:35.060 At least that's the end of it. So he was also recommending that in future that any commissioner should have the ability to appoint a judge to make a ruling on whether privilege had been appropriately used in that case.

00:18:56.520 I mean, there are some things that are privileged, anything that's going to tip off the Chinese or the Russians about some national security.

00:19:03.580 Yeah, you need to edit that out.

00:19:07.560 But a lot of this stuff was just awkward information for the government to have to concede.

00:19:11.520 So for all of those reasons, I have to think that Justice Rouleau didn't really have the information that he needed to draw the conclusion that he did,

00:19:24.020 which explains to me the just general awkward feel about the pros in that.

00:19:29.540 You know, it was great reluctance.

00:19:31.640 I also hate the fact that he's so keen on the government's Bill 18 and Bill 11,

00:19:39.000 but that's a different discussion.

00:19:40.840 Yeah, well, it kind of shows at least an indication of perhaps his own leanings.

00:19:44.440 I mean, judges have their views as well and things like that.

00:19:46.680 It's difficult.

00:19:47.680 I'm reluctant to too harshly criticize him.

00:19:51.360 I mean, he's a justice, for the most part in his career.

00:19:53.760 I looked into it. He seemed to have done his job thoroughly. And as you said, he was bound by the

00:19:58.800 terms and conditions he was stuck within. I mean, there could be some liberal bias. I wouldn't be

00:20:02.880 shocked at all if there was some. Well, there was a liberal bias because he was involved with

00:20:07.600 John Turner's 1983 liberal leadership campaign. Yeah, that's going back a bit.

00:20:13.800 I was going to say, it must have been about 12. You know, so I mean, there's only so much you can

00:20:18.640 hold on. But it's unfortunate because it was kind of an inconclusive ruling. Nobody could really

00:20:23.160 look at it and see it settled anything i mean we just got more of the same if anything i would

00:20:29.860 hope maybe they might want to amend the emergencies act change it so that the bar is a little higher

00:20:34.900 well i think it's going exactly the other way carl so far from the the act it going a little

00:20:41.000 higher i think rulo also has said it a bit lower because he in in some of his pros he was talking

00:20:48.680 about, well, to give you a direct quote, talking about transforming the requirement for an actual

00:20:57.620 threat into a possible threat, which is a very different thing. Something might happen,

00:21:02.540 therefore we have the, we impose the Emergencies Act. And I actually, I mean, my greatest sadness

00:21:09.020 out of this whole thing is that now that it's been done once, it'll be much easier to do it again.

00:21:13.320 And it was, would have been impossible to do it now if it was still called the war measures.

00:21:18.680 act because nobody would have bought it. And it's the same thing. I, you know, that

00:21:23.240 frustrates me. I know they changed some of the stuff within it, but the bottom line is it's an

00:21:26.920 act that suspends civil rights of citizens in the event of what should be an insurmountable emergency.

00:21:33.080 I mean, it's the most serious tool a government could ever have in its own

00:21:36.680 war chest and it should never be easily or lightly used. And the precedent has been badly set here.

00:21:42.200 It certainly has. Well, we'll see. I guess the only way people can really seek

00:21:46.520 remedy on this one's at the ballot box and I don't know if people are ready to get rid of those

00:21:50.200 liberals but that's fodder for another show too. Yeah, let's not give it all away at once.

00:21:55.500 Especially not while we've got Jonathan. We'll have plenty more to get into yet but

00:21:58.920 okay we're going to kind of jump into a different subject here to round it out and it's we've got

00:22:04.540 another potential self-defense case at least that's the defense he's already using it sounds

00:22:08.420 like from his lawyer an incident happened in Ontario with a firearm and somebody died. Yes

00:22:13.220 so there was a man in milton his name was ali neon and he so what happened was on sunday a group of

00:22:22.100 robbers uh well alleged robbers were set to break into his house they pulled up there were five

00:22:28.740 people in the vehicle one of them has since been deceased because of the incident and then another

00:22:32.960 has been arrested they're looking for three more and they were getting into the house and then they

00:22:39.640 confronted by an occupant, which is believed to be Ali Mian, and he shot them, multiple gunshots

00:22:45.640 were fired, and a person was killed, and one of the suspects who was arrested has been charged

00:22:51.320 with robbery, but Mian has been charged with second-degree murder. Second-degree murder is a

00:22:58.280 pretty serious charge. I mean, there's still specifics to come out with this one and things

00:23:03.720 like that, but every time one of these happens, I mean, the immediate charge is murder, though. I

00:23:08.600 I don't think you ever see a case where somebody defends their household and the police don't lay a charge initially.

00:23:14.240 Yeah, and, Corey, I guess the rationale for that is that we're just the police.

00:23:21.400 The courts can decide whether it was justified.

00:23:23.740 and that's the when you look at the when you look at the the bare facts of this case there's

00:23:35.000 really not a lot to draw a lot of conclusions on but the one thing that that that the defendant's

00:23:43.300 lawyer did put out was that he said that somebody this has to be tested in court but he said that

00:23:50.260 Somebody attacked the defendant's mother.

00:23:53.500 This is a 22-year-old kid.

00:23:57.480 This is a 23-year-old kid.

00:24:00.420 You know...

00:24:00.820 24.

00:24:02.440 What I'm saying is you've got a young person,

00:24:05.300 somebody is breaking into the house,

00:24:07.280 allegedly somebody is attacking the mother,

00:24:10.620 and he grabs the gun and defends his mother.

00:24:15.360 The courts can decide how much of that is exactly as described, but in principle, the idea that somebody confronts intruders face-to-face, not in the back, and defends himself, they have a gun, he has a gun, there is precedent that suggests that that is a legitimate thing to do.

00:24:42.600 Well, I mean, there's even an older precedent that even in the back, if it goes through the courts, sometimes the person be acquitted.

00:24:49.060 Some people remember way back with the case of Kessler in Calgary.

00:24:51.900 That was a fellow owned a pharmacy who'd been robbed repeatedly and he'd had enough.

00:24:57.260 And one time he got robbed, he took out the shotgun and he shot the fleeing robber and killed him.

00:25:02.000 And he was acquitted. It was a big case. The end of the 80s, I believe it was.

00:25:06.560 But it always goes to the courts. It's not until it sits before in typically a jury.

00:25:11.860 to say, okay, we believe you were entitled to defend yourself, but you've got to run

00:25:16.840 the gauntlet, you've got to put your life on hold for months, possibly years, to get

00:25:21.160 through the criminal courts in Canada.

00:25:23.240 Wasn't there some case as well?

00:25:25.200 We talked about this via the UCP leadership debate.

00:25:27.360 It was Eddie something.

00:25:28.360 Eddie Maurice, yes.

00:25:29.360 Eddie Maurice, where he used self-defense to defend himself on his farm, I think it

00:25:34.180 was?

00:25:35.180 Yeah, I know it very well.

00:25:36.180 He lives just down the road from me, and I know Eddie, I was active in the protests

00:25:39.620 in the courthouse because they they made him run the gauntlet and as jonathan's referencing that

00:25:45.780 was a case about four or five years ago eddie's young man a slight fellow it was five in the

00:25:51.380 morning he heard something going on he was alone aside from his uh baby who was in the house is

00:25:56.820 his daughter and he got up and found two intruders that were in his yard and robbing him he'd told

00:26:03.460 them to go away one ran towards him a shot was fired apparently a ricochet of it hit him in the

00:26:09.060 the elbow, and well, that led to Eddie running. The police arrived hours later, but immediately

00:26:17.000 arrested Eddie, locked him up, charged him, and it took about four months before they finally

00:26:22.860 dropped the charges. Yeah. You know, I find it very offensive that our Prime Minister does not

00:26:29.700 concede a right to use a firearm in self-defense. Yes. That is the situation that you have just

00:26:38.680 described is the situation where what would the prime minister rather have happened you know it

00:26:49.080 could have gone any number of ways and you try to put yourself in the shoes of that person doing

00:26:53.800 what any father would do in a frightening circumstance part of why the the eddie maurice

00:26:59.760 case i think didn't go the way the prosecutors and rcmp initially wanted to is when you'd see

00:27:05.000 Eddie and you'd hear from he's not a psychopath he's not a wannabe weekend warrior with a house

00:27:11.540 full of firearms who wears camouflage everywhere he goes and has tattoos all over his face not to

00:27:15.800 knock all those individuals are like that but he was just a soft-spoken young man who again was

00:27:21.820 defending his family and they realized that this is not flying well with with the public and I don't

00:27:27.380 think they were I think they realized this is not going to get through jury yeah but they still

00:27:31.880 insist and as you said with trudeau that no that you you should not take that up as an alternative

00:27:36.600 as an option you should just pray that this person you know just wants to rob and beat you 0.99

00:27:41.880 and maybe rape you a little bit but not kill you so you can recover and go on with life afterwards 0.93

00:27:47.000 it doesn't work like that no and trudeau talked about that because in the story i wrote about it 0.99

00:27:52.040 i i cited at the end what trudeau's comments on crooked media which is an american podcast and

00:27:57.560 he mentioned how in Canada we don't believe in using guns to defend yourself. He said you should

00:28:02.920 never do that, and he said you should only use guns for sports shooting, going to the shooting

00:28:09.080 range, hunting, things like that, whereas in many American states they have laws allowing you to

00:28:14.440 defend yourself. Yeah, castle doctrine and other such things, and I live in a rural area, and the

00:28:19.880 police response time on average in my area, even though I'm as close to the city as I am, because

00:28:23.560 its RCMP is 40 minutes on average. This is from the RCMP, what they tell us. I'm lucky they're

00:28:28.120 just up the highway. A patrol car could come by to a call, but on average, it's 40 minutes.

00:28:33.400 How's the response time from the fish and wildlife people when the bears after your

00:28:36.920 honeypots? I don't even call them. But yeah, and similarly, you know,

00:28:43.880 the firearm is a legitimate tool to protect my, I guess you could say, livestock in a sense.

00:28:49.160 But I mean, I know it's sort of an unspoken household plan.

00:28:53.220 I have no interest.

00:28:54.460 You know, I own firearms.

00:28:56.220 I make no secret of that, legally, of course.

00:28:58.620 And I hope to die of ripe old age, never having pointed or shot one at somebody, ever.

00:29:05.200 No interest in it.

00:29:06.120 And if somebody were stealing things on my driveway, at best, I would have it in my arms.

00:29:11.940 But if they aren't coming towards me, well, they're going to run away and I'm not going to do anything about it.

00:29:15.700 But if the worst came to worse, and it's between judging whether this person's going to put my family at harm or not,

00:29:23.460 yeah, I don't care what Turdow says.

00:29:25.560 And I think a whole lot of homeowners feel the same way.

00:29:28.720 And husbands. 0.55

00:29:30.040 Yes.

00:29:30.700 Well, we'll see what comes of this case and these cases that keep going on and on.

00:29:35.480 And maybe eventually we'll get a government that can say, in the right circumstances, a firearm is a legitimate form of self-defense, because it is.

00:29:42.860 any weapon is and I mean it's a matter of judgment I mean you can't take a baseball bat

00:29:48.020 and beat somebody to death because they tried to steal a hubcap either you have to has to be

00:29:52.720 has to be proportionate yes appropriate to and if you're outnumbered and I've gunned

00:29:57.320 let's uh you do what you have to do with a soggy body I'm pretty easily out to gun so I mean I

00:30:03.620 got an eye on something if it's an emergency circumstance anyways oh well well that's kind

00:30:08.540 the main stories for today guys so there's just so many i know it's hard to pick the three to rant

00:30:14.700 about but i remember last time on i was on here we were talking about the toronto life piece about

00:30:19.500 edmonton yes that worked up a lot of people there's yes turned on twitter we're used to

00:30:26.540 still getting hate mail and a recent eastern immigrant to come in and put his view in

00:30:31.340 and we'll be getting honorary Albertan yet.

00:30:35.120 All right, well, thank you, Nigel and Jonathan.

00:30:37.600 It's always a pleasure.

00:30:38.400 Yes.

00:30:39.200 And thank you all for joining us

00:30:40.680 for another episode of The Pipeline.

00:30:43.320 And we will see you all again next week on the show.

00:30:47.360 And Derek will probably be back at that time.

00:30:49.500 So thanks again.

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