The Pipeline May 19, 2021. UCP woes, Quebec & our constitution and drones!
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In this week's show, we cover a number of news items, including: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's decision to back away from a carbon tax in order to get rid of the carbon tax, the Quebec government's declaration that they can write their own constitution, and more.
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good afternoon and uh welcome to the pipeline this is the western standards weekly show where
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we cover the top news stories of the day and of the week and discuss and analyze them uh
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typically we have derek phildebrand on with us our publisher but he's unavailable today
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So who we do have, though, is Nadine Willwood, who's been doing some fantastic reporting for us
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So watch those on YouTube and some of the columns.
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And thank you for joining us, Nadine, to fill in for Derek here.
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And, of course, we have Dave Naylor, our news guy, who just keeps churning out that fantastic news content,
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making it well worth coming to the Western Standard online regularly to see what's happening
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in the world day by day in the West. Hey, Corey, how's it going? Good, good. So I am going to start
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so we'll get on with uh well these main subjects in the news today so you know there's a few to
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cover and something that's really been uh making the headlines and is this just right for discussion
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is this quebec has declared that they can unilaterally basically write the constitution
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for themselves or amend it and change it in their own favor uh that's not terribly surprising quebec
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never hesitated to just speak up and do things on their own what perhaps was a little bit surprising
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though was justin trudeau said yeah i guess that's all right and uh apparently uh erino tour is now
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joining justin trudeau and saying yeah quebec can just kind of do what they please with the
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constitution maybe you could fill some detail in on that dave yeah every 10 years it seems we've
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got to deal with this uh constitutional sandbox uh quebec premier francois lagault wrote to trudeau
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on the weekend, informing him that they're bringing in some pretty strict language laws
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a la Bill 101, and they're going to have to change the Constitution unilaterally.
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Justin Trudeau, with his background as a part-time drama teacher, became an instant
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constitutional expert and basically said, yeah, yeah, that's okay. You guys can do what you want.
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More surprisingly, Aaron O'Toole came out and told La Presse out of Montreal that he's also in agreement with it.
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So that's certainly caused some shockwaves out here in the West, Corey and Nadine.
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I just got off the phone with Maverick Party leader Jay Hill.
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He said he expected Trudeau to roll over, but he certainly didn't expect O'Toole to join him.
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And he described it as, quote, a body blow for O'Toole's support in the West, along with his flip-flop on the carbon tax.
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He basically said O'Toole is going to be out of luck here in the West, Corey.
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Yeah, that's just, well, I don't know, it's flooring.
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As usual, all roads lead to Quebec, I guess, when it comes to election time.
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Nadine, what have you been hearing in your political circles about these things as they develop?
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Well, I don't think this should really shock anybody that O'Toole has come out and lent
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support. I mean, he's been leaning further and further to the left, trying to win over votes
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in Quebec and Ontario. So I'm not shocked by this at all. And to be honest, I went, this is awesome.
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If Quebec can do it, then so can Alberta. Really, we just need the political will here to do so.
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so you know um i'm not upset the fact that quebec is pushing uh its rights as a nation within a
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nation because right now we have indigenous populations that are nations within canada
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we have quebec which is a nation within canada well why can't alberta be a nation within canada
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so i think anybody who's looking for greater independence for alberta and albertans you know
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Quebec just made this really easy for us. Yeah, Michelle Rempel, Calgary MP, literally seconds
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after Trudeau agreed, tweeted out, hey, if it's good for Quebec, it's good for Alberta too. And
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she suggested that Alberta rewrite section 36 of the constitution, which deals with economic
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development and everybody having a level playing field. And now she was obviously pointing out
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the fact no pipelines seem to get uh get built out uh out west but interestingly she spoke before
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aaron o'toole uh gave his approval for it so it's going to be interesting to see if any of the the
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western tory caucus members have uh have the guts to speak up about this because they they certainly
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didn't on the carbon tax did they no when they're into a light about the carbon tax he left his mps
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flat-footed uh to have to deal with it so it's not surprising that he didn't let them know that
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that he was going to join Trudeau in supporting Quebec and ripping up our constitution.
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I mean, this just, I'm sure there's better legal minds than me to speak to this,
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but it seems to me we've got legal mechanisms that say Quebec just can't do this.
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It's not a matter of opinion of the prime minister or the leader of the opposition.
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There are formulas about how we have to change the constitution if we're ever going to.
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I mean, we went through that with Meech Lake in Charlottetown.
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all it took was the will of one premier to say that we don't need to do all that we'll just do
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it that's absurd i i don't see where this is coming from and to be honest i'm a bit confused
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what do you think maybe like is there do you see a mechanism here well i mean it's very clear in
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the constitution that to make changes there is a process and um you know you for any one person to
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be able to come out honestly and say that we can unilaterally amend it i think is uh incorrect but
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you know then again if you look around politically what's happening today nothing makes any sense
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there doesn't seem to be anybody following the process it seems to be just everybody's
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run amok um whether it's liberal you know ndp conservative nobody is kind of following the rules
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so you know i i one of the things that i'm going to do actually and i've reached out today to uh
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the jccf and to james kitchen constitutional lawyers to ask them you know how is it that quebec
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can um you know proceed with such a thing and you know how is it that the prime minister can just
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unilaterally decide that yeah that's okay so it'd be really interesting to see from the legal
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standing and and footing you know where they're going to proceed with this yeah that's a good
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point, Nadina. Look at Alberta. How long has Alberta been banging its head against the cement wall
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on Senate reform? Decades and decades and decades. And we haven't gotten anywhere.
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So it's particularly galling, I would think, for Albertans to see the Premier of Quebec just
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standing up and saying, okay, we're going to do it, you know, when Albertans have been fighting for,
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you know, a little bit of change for decades, Corey.
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Yeah, well, it brings into question whether or not Canada, to be honest, is a country.
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I mean, if individual provinces can just jump up and change the rules at will, what is the confederation exactly?
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And a set of guidelines is just what some other independent nations might have in rough trading agreements.
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And we've seen that, too, where provinces have been allowed to restrict trade between other provinces with impunity.
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We're seeing that now with restricting movement, though they're using the pandemic as a reason for it.
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This has been, I think, an unprecedented year where we're seeing a challenge to the very basis of whether Canada is actually a nation.
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And, Corey, I think you hit the nail on the head there.
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Trudeau has already said, you know, a post-nation state.
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Now he's giving provinces the ability to amend the Constitution.
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We do have, you know, COVID checkpoints now at provincial borders.
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There's so much going on here that's unprecedented.
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But I think what it's really done is pointed out the division that we're now seeing happen.
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People have been feeling it for a long time, but now it's really come to the forefront.
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You know, Dave, you know, Premier Kenney certainly doesn't seem to like talking tough when it comes to Ottawa,
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or at least he talks tough, but never really does much.
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Has there been any response from the Premier on this?
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I mean, Quebec and the opposition leaders are speaking up,
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but I haven't heard anything from Premier Kenney yet.
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Ironically, he is holding a press conference as we speak
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So I'm sure one of the reporters on there will ask him about it,
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and we'll certainly get a story out on what he says this afternoon.
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Well, if one of the chosen ones wants to dip in onto that issue for him,
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these are areas that Premier Kenney tries to stay out of
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But I think he's kind of getting painted into a corner.
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He's going to have to start addressing Alberta's role in confederation soon,
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And if he's not asked at this press conference,
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I'll get a hold of his office and get a statement that way.
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but this is something he can't ignore when one of his his premier colleagues says he's
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they're going to go it alone he cannot stay silent on this issue no so moving along since we are
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starting into uh premier kenny and the ucp uh this is as i said it's been six days now but
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you know this is the first pipeline we've had since uh all hell sort of broke loose in caucus
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And the rebellion went from beyond, you know, writing letters differing with COVID policies and exploded right into Todd Lowen demanding that Jason Kinney step aside as leader of the party.
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And then the party turned around and decided to not only eject Todd Lowen, which wasn't terribly unexpected, but kicked out Drew Barnes while they were at it.
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Which, again, wasn't wholly unexpected, but he really didn't have anything to do with that letter.
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It was just kind of, I guess, if we're going to do house cleaning, we might as well get both of them.
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Dave, where are things that have been sitting in the news with that so far?
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Well, I think the dust is slowly starting to settle.
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I think one of the surprising things was that Dave Hansen,
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who came out publicly and supported the call for Kendi to resign,
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Both Nadine and I have done interviews with Todd and Drew.
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drew says he's considering perhaps running as a independent mla in the next election i don't
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think todd has has decided yet but i don't think it's over and if you want to read an excellent
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column by our publisher derek fildebrand it's it's on the site now he's talked to several people
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within the tory caucus who say uh you know this is almost just the beginning uh it's not the
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the beginning of the end but the beginning of the beginning so as we get especially closer to the
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next election and uh and jason kenney's poll numbers keep continuing to tank more and more
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mlas are going to speak out because they're going to be in fear of their of their jobs nadine and
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and uh you know that's the bottom line is keeping their jobs as you get close to the
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to the election but you you interviewed both of them uh what did they tell you well i i agree i
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I think this is just the beginning of what we're going to see from the UCP caucus.
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And, you know, for Todd Lowen in particular, this is a very atypical type of reaction for him.
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You know, Drew has been very outspoken and very critical of Jason Kenney.
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And, you know, I think Jason Kenney definitely saw this as an opportunity to get rid of Drew,
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which like you said it's interesting that Dave Hansen is the one who publicly speaks out in
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support of Todd Lowen and Drew is the one that got the boot but more importantly I mean it's
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what Todd had to say that I found particularly interesting you know he really did state he
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didn't mince words and it was Kenny is a one-man show he doesn't listen to caucus he doesn't
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respect his caucus. He dismisses ridicules. That's not the role of an MLA or the government.
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You know, they're to bring forward the concerns of their constituents. So to ridicule or to dismiss
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the MLA is really to ridicule and to dismiss, in my opinion, the people that they represent.
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And that's just not acceptable. So, you know, I think Kenny, I said this in the last pipeline,
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I don't think he can recover from this I think he realistically is grasping at straws he's trying
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to regain some control but he's using fear rather than building confidence and the trust that has
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been destroyed amongst caucus and amongst the public and we're seeing that in the polls
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I don't think there's any coming back from this I think Kenny ominously should look at a resignation
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and should be looking for somebody to to fill his his position as a premier
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yeah well we've seen this before you know and i've written on it that you know conservatives
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are a real pain to lead i mean we're independent minded we we don't like being told what to do
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uh we chafe under it you know that's probably we don't see progressive parties getting this
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kind of infighting splitting up but that is because there's a bit of an inherent nature
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oh they're grumbling on the inside with their leadership but they toe the line
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There's not too many who can do it, who can manage to keep conservatives, you know, walking in a row.
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And so far, Jason Kenney just hasn't proven to be able to do that so far.
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But, yeah, I mean, we haven't seen any rumblings coming from the rest of caucus.
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But the thing that gets me is the startling silence from the rest of caucus right now.
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I mean, we know there's more discontent in there.
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We know there's more MLAs who have got one foot out that door.
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it's going to be interesting to see if he stemmed that tide or if it's just going to be one more
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thing tick somebody off we're going to see three more you know they might not be getting kicked
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out they might start quitting pretty soon well don't forget there was what 18 mlas who signed
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the uh the letter protesting kenny's lockdown that's a good chunk of his caucus uh you know
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are all 18 of those uh now happy i don't think so uh obviously two have been kicked out but i don't
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think the remaining 16 are all bundles of joy and i i think kenny's got a bigger problem is that
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it's not just mlas it's the grassroots it's down at the party constituency association level where
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there's numerous constituency associations trying to gather signatures and and vote on whether or
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not to hold a leadership conference so it's once it gets into the grassroots corey i mean you know
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you're you've been there a lot once it gets into the grassroots uh very very difficult to try and
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come back yeah well and it was interesting having been there in a sense like i was sort of a daniel
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smith loyalist with the wild girls party when things were getting rough and so on and and there
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was a push at the final agm she was involved with to try and get her to step aside as leader and i
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pushed back hard against that you know like hey cut it out we've got to stick together but you
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you know shortly after that danielle took off with the floor crossing and as she's explained
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since though it was when caucus it wasn't us on the floor that got her it was though that was a
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sign of things it was caucus you know when they turn on you you're up the creek as a leader i
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mean you you just can't uh maintain it uh and nadine i mean you've been watching perhaps some
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of the constituency actions what they need i believe 22 of them to force a leadership review
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though or yeah they need a significant number at least one third to to force the leadership review
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and it sounds though that kenny has um managed to push that out so you know and and skirted that
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issue so it looks to me again and and these are todd lowen's words you know kenny is serving his
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own best interest uh not the interest of the party by pushing out the leadership review and it looks
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like now it has been pushed out it won't happen until about six months before the next scheduled
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provincial election so that doesn't leave a lot of time for a new leader to come in and rally the
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troops and build some momentum and you know campaign to the grassroots so it'll be really
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interesting um you know to follow that along and to see what caucus decides to do and you know i'm
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just talking about local constituencies here as well there's a lot i mean we saw the secretary
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you know, stepped down. There's a lot of people within the CAs that are speaking out very vocal
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about the, you know, how Kenny has been dealing not only with COVID, but with Ottawa. Todd Lowen
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made this very clear. This is not just a COVID response. He's lacked on all the promises that
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he came in and he campaigned on, and he just hasn't followed through. Again, let's look at
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what's just happened in Ottawa, going back to our first topic, Kenny's silent, right?
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Where's his comment on, you know, okay, well, if Quebec can do this, Alberta can assert its
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independence in a greater capacity as well. And he's just, he's consistently refused to do so.
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Yeah, I, like every other UCP supporter, I expected Kenny to be driving to Ottawa in his
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big blue pickup truck and causing havoc and standing up for alberta and there is such a
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level of disappointment out there that he didn't do that and hasn't done that uh that it's it's
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palpable and and corey is right in that it's very hard for a conservative leader to actually lead
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they like to eat their own corey i mean well they booted out ralph klein arguably the most popular
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premier in alberta history and he got what 77 was it uh and uh he that was enough to make him resign
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so uh lord knows what kenny would get at uh leadership review at this moment but uh i can't
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see it being above 50. no we're just seeing a real void in leadership from the ucp again
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a lot of us disappointed i mean i was very optimistic about jason kenny i wanted him to
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do really well i i as i said i've grudgingly come to the point where i'm thinking okay it's two years
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in i i don't think this can be recovered i mean if uh i believe todd said tonight the other day if
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if an election was held the ndp uh you know if the election was held today we'd get an ndp
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government that's frightening i mean this isn't a vote split we're talking about this is a
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conservative party that is tanked so badly in the polls that socialists are going to beat them in
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alberta like how long can we let this plummet go on like this and i'm certain a number of urban
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mlas are starting to think about this you know it's the rural ones that we hear of of the small
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c conservatives and they're getting crabby but the urban ones are ones that are they won by narrow
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margins these guys are in there with with some tight uh seats and they really need a big turnaround
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if they're going to keep their jobs i mean i like to think they're thinking of all their constituents
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as well but they're going to start looking out for their own butts too and uh as nadine said you know
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yeah kenny's kicked it down the road to uh six months before the election but i i think the
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The realists in the party also understand that if there's going to be a replacement of the leader,
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it has to be done in the next, in this coming six months or so,
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so that you do have time to get ready for the next election.
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But getting on to party disarray, I guess, you know, here was a story that popped in and out.
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I guess we should give a nod to Peter McCaffrey with the Alberta Institute for catching it.
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It looks like the government for a little while wanted to use drones to watch us
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This is my favorite story of the week, Corey. The federal, or it's not the federal, the provincial government put out a request for a proposal on Friday. They wanted somebody to operate a drone that would spy on Albertans during long weekends.
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You know, keep in mind, right now, Albertans aren't allowed to gather more than five people outside.
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So you can imagine them buzzing campgrounds and whatnot, looking for people breaking COVID regulations, looking for people breaking campfire regulations.
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They wanted somebody to operate this drone and then give them proof, give them, I guess, photographic evidence of people breaking the law.
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And because campsites have to be reserved under your name, obviously, the government would have an easy way to give out the tickets.
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Certainly when we went to press with the story early in the morning, reaction was just utter outrage.
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People thought it was an April Fool's joke, Corey.
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A short time later, Jason Nixon, the environment minister, nixed the whole project, said that he hadn't been informed.
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And while drones could be used as a benefit in search and rescues and forest fires and stuff like that,
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it would never, ever be used to spy on Albertans enjoying a campfire and a beer.
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So a very strange thing to get as far as it did, Corey.
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Yeah, well, you know, they can back off on it and say, yeah, we're using it for other things.
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But it was pretty explicit in the call-out for what they were seeking.
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They wanted them to go out there and spy on campers.
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And, you know, Jason Nixon, of course, backed off on it right away.
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I do believe with some people making excuses saying he didn't know they were doing that.
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Because if they're moving that far along on something this odious and you didn't know,
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who is in control out there if you aren't in control of it who is like Nadine what do you
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think of as an indication of his ministry here and I like Jason too I don't like seeing him in
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trouble but come on this is definitely one of two things incompetence or lies and you know as
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somebody who actually did a lot of RFP work in response to the federal government my time in
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aerospace and defense you don't submit an RFP a request for proposal without knowing what's in it
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and it's gone out so i would suggest probably the latter in this um and they just got caught
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and i think now that's the backtracking they got caught saying that they were going to spy
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on albertans and that that's just not something that happens in a democratic society this you
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know the the things that the government has been doing and i'll even bring up with pastor
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stevens for example who you know was arrested on an injunction that was put into place on may 6
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to stop uh a protest um at the whistle stop well they arrested this pastor saying that he was aware
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of this under the same injunction but it was an illegal arrest that had been amended by uh judge
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brooke and you know didn't apply so you know the government is doing things right now that
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you know the albertans are catching on and this is i think the backtrack they just happen to get
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caught on this one before it became um an issue and oh and then plead ignorance so i i honestly
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believe that you know there's a lot more going on here behind the scenes that uh Albertans are not
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aware of and i think that speaks to what Todd Lowen and Drew Barnes have been saying about the
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secrecy and how caucus has actually said we're going one direction and Kenny just continues to
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go down his own direction. So there's so much happening right now in caucus and with government
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that people are just not aware of. Caucus is finding out about things themselves, you know,
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at the time that Kenny happens to release it to everybody. So who is running the ship right now?
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Nadine's right, Corey. You look at it, some bureaucrat has to go through a good amount of
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research because that was a very detailed request and probably spent several days on it coming
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all together but he wouldn't have just published it himself he would have taken it up the chain
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to his superior so somebody at some level of management in the provincial government thought
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it would be a good idea to launch a drone to spy on campers i mean come on nonsensical but somebody
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and the government approved it uh and the dean's right what the hell is going on yeah well it's
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such a huge as you said it seemed like it was an april fool's joke i mean what were you thinking
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moment like this is right out of for those of reddit 1984 government having big brother zooming
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along watching you behave yourself because we could be having a little camera hiding behind
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the trees watching you know i've done some things in the woods while camping i don't want a drone
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broadcasting i gotta feel a lot of people aren't gonna want to see that either i mean this is
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putting somebody else at risk sitting in a vehicle uh spying on us but i mean it was just absurd like
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nobody at any of these levels there wasn't somebody said gee you know they might get an
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adverse response to this one like i it's it's just astounding i kind of expected as you said
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lower levels of bureaucracy okay so i'm pinhead recent graduate who really hadn't thought it
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through but it's got to go through a few levels i mean it's an rfp if you could just let anybody
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put one out there you can imagine the corruption as you start getting uh different proposals going
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and such as well i mean there's layers of controls and they seem to have been okay with this yeah and
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to think that they might get away with it uh you know let's assume the worst that they they knew
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what they were trying to do uh and they just thought okay no albertans won't care we we've
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managed to do this to them so far they'll they'll let us do this but at some point albertans are
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are going to stand up and say, no, that's a right that I will not lose. And this is where I stand
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my ground. This is the hill to fight on. Yeah, well, and this got exposed at the point, as I
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said, Peter McCaffrey caught it and good on him. But I mean, what if this had gotten farther along
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and we'd gotten to a weekend and it hits the news once somebody shoots one of the things out of the
00:29:34.960
sky? Or, you know, when somebody does find themselves suddenly presented with a ticket
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and what, for evidence, they'll show these aerial pictures of them camping? This isn't going to look
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good. I mean, this would have turned into a disaster farther down the road as well. People
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would have been furious. I'm just floored, you know, and I guess just disappointed. I'd like to,
00:29:54.820
you know, go on to more positive things about our government one of these days, and I'm sure
00:29:58.680
sometimes something's going to happen, but it's just not this week. We'll get something right.
00:30:05.180
Well, either way, I think we've kind of covered it for this week. What are you working on for
00:30:09.900
up-and-coming stories, Dave? It seems to be all constitutional all the time at the
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moment. I published the O'Toole story this morning. I just published a Jay Hill
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Maverick Party reaction and then as soon as we're done from here I will find out
00:30:26.340
what Premier Kenney has to say. Great. Nadine, what have you been up to here?
00:30:30.880
Well, we're hopefully gonna get some more interviews with some of the people
00:30:35.380
around these constitutional issues and follow-ups obviously we did a great follow-up with uh ty
00:30:41.220
northcott for the no more lockdowns rodeo and uh you know we haven't heard from uh chris scott yet
00:30:48.100
so hopefully we'll we'll get a chance to speak with him as well in his experience and uh we'll
00:30:53.140
just keep uh we'll try it's so hard right now to be honest uh derek and i were talking the other
00:30:59.140
day and he's like what do you report on there's so much going on and and like the rfp that we just
00:31:06.200
talked about the request for proposal you know people just don't pay attention to that type of
00:31:10.940
stuff right i mean people come they look for headlines they look for for quick news and
00:31:15.980
there's so much going on in pretty much any area i mean dave has got to be just swamped with
00:31:24.320
what picking and choosing what am I going to report on today what's what's at the highest top
00:31:29.580
of the the bank there I feel like a doctor in triage yeah what patients can I say what patients
00:31:37.000
can't I say so that makes it interesting well and and to pat our own back a bit you know what these
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things is they broke I mean the live reporting of the caucus meetings that were coming through and
00:31:46.840
the updates that you were putting out Dave and and uh with this exposure of the the drone idea
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like this didn't come from the the mother corp cbc this didn't come from post media it's it's
00:31:57.960
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