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00:03:29.060 Good day. Today is June 9th, 2021. I'm Derek Fulibrand. Welcome to The Pipeline. Joining

00:03:40.640 you live from the Calgary offices of the Western Standard. I'm joined today by Western Standard

00:03:46.880 News Editor Dave Naylor. Good day, Dave. Hello, Derek. And joined by the always sunny and happy

00:03:54.040 Corey Morgan. Hey, Corey. Hey. Oh, I thought you were going to turn me off. Not yet. We'll see

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00:05:40.480 Well, we're going to jump into it now.

00:05:43.920 we've got new polls continue to show the development of what appears to be a

00:05:51.840 three-party system in Alberta you know in 2019 much to my chagrin at the time

00:05:57.540 it was a two-party system everyone else was completely frozen out we've seen

00:06:01.960 this changing over time you know the the NDP is relatively static from where they

00:06:09.880 were in both 2015 and 2019. The big difference is on the right. The UCP seems to be the United

00:06:16.000 Conservative Party, not so united. Wildrose was at 9% when we polled in early January. That was up to

00:06:23.380 16% when we had a poll done with Main Street Research a few weeks ago, and now 20% from an

00:06:31.100 Angus Reid poll released today. Dave, why don't you run us through the numbers? You just did.

00:06:35.600 Well, give us more numbers. I'll give you more numbers then. Yeah, the big headline from this

00:06:39.480 poll, Derek, is the doubling of support for the Wild Rose. One in five Albertans now say they are

00:06:47.460 willing to vote for the whip. As you said, up from 9% to 20%. Since January, it's really an

00:06:56.420 incredible more than doubling. It shows the frustration on the political right side of the

00:07:05.420 spectrum where frustrated UCP members upset over Premier Kenney are obviously

00:07:11.640 obviously leaking towards the Wild Rose. There's a lot of leaks from the UCP.

00:07:16.660 Yeah, leaky ships. With the three-party system, as you said, and the Wild Rose at

00:07:25.900 20%, there's no doubt now if that stays, they will win seats in the 2023 election.

00:07:33.200 and instead of just having two parties in the ledge,

00:07:35.840 it looks like we could have three.

00:07:38.060 You know, it invokes all sorts of interest

00:07:40.440 from who's going to join who to get bills passed

00:07:43.100 because I don't think Movi's got enough yet

00:07:45.780 for a majority win.

00:07:48.960 And so you could see some even more exciting politics

00:07:52.480 in Alberta in the future.

00:07:54.980 Corey, we've discussed this before.

00:07:56.860 I mean, this has been the most underreported story

00:07:59.420 in Alberta for the mainstream media for a long time.

00:08:02.060 A lot of the pollsters refused to even poll Wildrose, even when they were 10%, 12% in other polls.

00:08:07.760 The other party option would be consistently the third biggest option in the province.

00:08:13.900 And most pollsters had very little interest in figuring out who that was.

00:08:16.900 We've been polling with Main Street, very consistently showing a very strong third place party that cannot be ignored anymore.

00:08:25.700 Angus Reid seems, I could be mistaken, I think this is the first time they've even polled for it.

00:08:29.740 And it's their biggest result yet.

00:08:31.340 um what does this mean right now because we've got uh the wild bros does not have a leader right

00:08:38.540 now they're having a leadership race they've only got one uh certified what was acclaimed as leader

00:08:43.500 no he was not no okay sorry he's the only one that he's the only one that uh entered you know

00:08:49.580 he's now basically going through a vetting process okay what they're gonna do is uh because he's the

00:08:55.400 only candidate in the race they still have a yes no vote on him so it's almost a referendum on

00:09:00.080 It's closer to a leadership review. It's almost a leadership review. He needs 50% plus one of the Wild Rose members to say yes. They could theoretically, although I'm doubtful, they could say, no, we want to open it back up and see who else enters the race. They could do that. I'd be pretty shocked if they did. Very rude. But, um, I mean, they haven't had an official leader yet.

00:09:22.480 Why would you want to mess with what seems to be a winning formula, right?

00:09:26.340 I mean, they're surging.

00:09:28.040 If you throw the leadership race open again, I think you're in danger of stalling.

00:09:33.060 Absolutely.

00:09:33.560 And I mean, it has been growing in the background for some time.

00:09:36.460 And it's been, as Derek said, that other that's always been there.

00:09:39.520 And the pollsters wouldn't touch it.

00:09:40.920 You know, and with, I believe this latest poll, in some sense, this was prompted by, you know, the Western Standard.

00:09:47.660 Did those polling numbers found?

00:09:48.720 The Wildrose out there at 17%.

00:09:50.560 I think some of the mainstream didn't believe it and they're almost you know

00:09:53.980 they ran this poll to think okay we'll show those standard guys are full of

00:09:56.660 crap and yeah oh wow it's actually stronger than what they said which I

00:10:01.180 think it was accurate when we did it it's just that it's grown since then

00:10:04.060 because it is not gaining track that's what they've been saying in UCP so kind

00:10:09.220 of UCP die hearts I've been saying ah it's Western Standard you know I'm

00:10:14.020 well I come from the Wild Rose one of the predecessor parties of the Wild Rose

00:10:17.980 Street and Conservative Party. I was the leader of, so clearly I've got some sympathies. I'm not a

00:10:23.000 member of any party. I just want to see good government for Alberta, and I guess that's what

00:10:27.660 everybody wants, but that's, I've got a particular view that aligns more with Wild Rose, so I guess,

00:10:32.120 ah, well, these must be torqued. Well, I don't think Main Street Research is going to muck with

00:10:36.660 its numbers just to make me happy. These are numbers, so yeah, Angus Street says, let's see

00:10:41.400 if this is real, and it turns out it's even stronger. Wild Rose was either being under-polled

00:10:45.920 with Main Street, or it's just continued to grow in the few weeks since we had that Main Street

00:10:51.040 poll released. What do they do about this? I mean, at these numbers, the NDP either went a slim

00:10:58.640 majority government or there's no majority. I mean, if there was a minority at this point,

00:11:04.240 you'd probably see the NDP with the most seats, but that doesn't mean you get to be government.

00:11:07.280 You'd probably see a chance of the UCP continuing in a weak, weak minority government, but having to

00:11:13.200 cut a deal with the wild rose for things uh how does kenny

00:11:17.440 pull this back he has lost over 50 of his voters since the last election

00:11:21.920 um the ucp had about 55 in the last election they're down to 30

00:11:26.800 uh and most of that has gone wild rose only a little bit has gone

00:11:31.040 uh to the ndp how do you think uh kenny tries to get those people back

00:11:36.240 i don't know i i'm lost for words on it you know

00:11:39.840 this is so bad and so ugly. I don't see some path that he can take at this point to recover from

00:11:47.120 this. I mean, never say never. And there's a long summer ahead of us. I think he's put a lot of his,

00:11:51.760 you know, hopes and goals into the reopening is going to make people happy. They're going to have

00:11:56.640 a good summer. They're going to forget what they're ticked off again about and they'll drift

00:12:01.940 back, you know, into a complacent support for the UCP. But I think he's underestimating how bad the

00:12:08.620 rift is and how much people are soured on the party at this time there's no

00:12:14.200 magic bullet he's got to do something serious to turn this around and I don't

00:12:18.760 know what it is at this time they've got to stop the bleeding yes or one at least

00:12:22.060 they've got to stop doing stupid stuff well we're gonna we're gonna we'll talk

00:12:26.740 about that later but they've got to get their crap together and you're right

00:12:31.900 Corey I don't know if they can do that now the only salvation I see for Kenny

00:12:38.000 is that Alberta has the best summer ever and people don't forget but they may

00:12:43.860 forgive and that's a you know that's the only way pollsters see him gaining

00:12:49.220 traction back well let's let's talk about that because I think a lot of this

00:12:54.260 is clearly driven by the unpopularity of Jason Kenney we would there was a poll

00:13:00.500 another poll cup down from Angus read about that once you walk us through

00:13:03.620 those numbers yeah Kenny is the lowest rated premier in the country sitting at

00:13:10.460 only thirty one percent you know he's bottom of the barrel by far and it's

00:13:16.640 mainly due to his covert regulations and how he's handled covert and the various

00:13:22.860 lockdowns he's put Alberta through and the unhappiness that obviously the

00:13:28.020 majority of Albertans think. John Horgan and Scott Moe, premiers on either side of Alberta,

00:13:36.600 have good in the 60s ratings. Brian Pallister not doing so well. He's down in the 30s,

00:13:42.780 still ahead of Kenny though. But yeah, it's all part of the same story that's leading to

00:13:49.480 plunging poll numbers for the party. It's just the personal unpopularity of Jason Kenyon.

00:13:54.400 well there's a if we look at these numbers there's a pretty strong trend

00:13:59.800 here Scott Moe was the only one defying it but what you see is I think driven

00:14:04.640 by kovid if you look at the numbers Ontario Premier Doug Ford progressive

00:14:09.220 conservative Brian Palliser Manitoba progressive conservative Jason Kenny

00:14:13.760 Alberta United conservative why are the conservative premiers so all right and I

00:14:20.580 think there's a relatively simple explanation for it. In provinces where you've got explicitly

00:14:27.220 leftist governments, you know, British Columbia, you know, the Atlantic provinces, all these places,

00:14:36.660 they are, you know, conservatives who are people who are opposed to these kinds of restrictions,

00:14:43.060 they could be angry at the left-wing party for, even if the progressive conservative party in

00:14:47.140 the province would have done the same thing, they're not angry at them because they're

00:14:50.180 in opposition they can talk but where conservatives are in power and doing the same things as liberal

00:14:55.940 or ndp governments conservatives have no choice but to project their anger at their own party

00:15:02.820 and and so that's why when you look at these numbers uh like so well in quebec i mean geez

00:15:08.980 most people support lockdowns it's very very few people who don't uh so there's no doubt that you

00:15:13.540 know that's why lagos is so popular but british columbia if you're a british colombian opposed

00:15:17.780 to lockdowns, well, you're already not supporting, you're probably not going to support John

00:15:24.300 Horgan anyway. You're not going to be supporting the NDP. Newfoundland. Now, the only one defying

00:15:29.740 this is Saskatchewan. Scott Moe has been very tough in lockdowns, not as tough as Jason Kenney,

00:15:38.020 but he's been pretty bad. But for some reason, he defies my thesis here, but it holds up everywhere

00:15:44.500 else uh if you're in new brunswick if you're in nova scotia and you're like a right-leaning

00:15:49.700 anti-lockdown conservative or libertarian you you can say well i'm angry at the liberals

00:15:54.760 is higgs actually a conservative you can never tell with the atlantic they're all liberals they're

00:16:01.980 all liberals uh i'm not sure blaine higgs is a progressive conservative or liberal because it

00:16:05.900 makes quite literally no difference out there it mostly boils down to was your great-grandfather

00:16:10.280 are Protestant or Catholic. That's essentially what it boils down to out there. But I think

00:16:15.000 that's what it is, that it's a curse for a conservative to be in power right now if you're

00:16:18.480 going to be doing what the other, you know, what the NDP or Liberals would do. So that's creating

00:16:22.680 a caving of their base. I think the same thing applies in Ontario. Corey, do you think that's

00:16:27.820 what's explaining this? To a degree, for sure. I mean, Ford has been just about hysteric with his

00:16:32.740 lockdowns right from day one, which has really soured any conservative support out there.

00:16:37.120 But Kenny kind of seems to take it from both sides.

00:16:39.780 You know, he's signaled and shown to be reticent to a degree on regulations and lockdowns,

00:16:44.600 which gets him blasted by everybody who's afraid of the plague.

00:16:47.920 But then when he does open up, he just gets blasted for laying off.

00:16:52.000 And he just can't seem to cling on to any of that support on either side.

00:16:56.820 He's trying to straddle it.

00:16:58.400 I mean, one area that should be noteworthy with the rise with the Wildrose as well,

00:17:03.340 is this is a they're an explicitly regionalist party i mean they're unapologetic about being

00:17:09.020 fully pro-alberta well independence is yeah and outside of the pandemic woes kenny has

00:17:15.020 he's been extremely weak on regional issues he's talked big on it and he hasn't done a bloody thing

00:17:20.540 the closest we've come to seeing some action now is having the referendum this fall on equalization

00:17:25.100 but uh the fair deal panel i mean you know things like that have really soured a lot of albertans

00:17:30.220 And the Wildrose Independence Party has provided a home for that saying, well, you know, we're not going to beat around the bush when it comes to this stuff.

00:17:36.540 We're going to stand up for Alberta against Ottawa by all means.

00:17:39.880 And so, I mean, that's added to his woes is he's given somebody somewhere to go when they're frustrated with them.

00:17:45.100 So perhaps one of the areas I don't think there's much else he can do on the pandemic front, but he can do something to just start saying, hey, I'm going to look out for this province first instead of this wishy-washy talk is big and low action.

00:17:57.500 Well, let's talk about the recovery.

00:17:58.820 So just the other week, Kenny announced the government's reopening plan in the best summer ever. I mean, he was already so wildly unpopular, particularly with his own base or formerly his base, that there was already, I think, a very narrow path back to recovery to win these people back.

00:18:17.860 if he doesn't win these people back it doesn't matter if he wins everybody back that he's lost

00:18:21.300 at the NDP he still loses he's got to win back Wild Rosers or he's toast so he had a very very

00:18:26.700 narrow path back if it was possible at all and I mean I had a couple of bets going I didn't think

00:18:33.940 he could do it because it required precise perfect uh execution that's just not really possible um

00:18:41.420 you know as they say no no battle plan survives contact with the enemy and you're gonna you're

00:18:47.020 going to make contact. And then, Skype was dinner. I mean, as you said, Dave, I mean, they've got to

00:18:55.220 stop making stupid mistakes. And this was a massive, stupid mistake. Kenny and his Twitter

00:19:03.100 minions, who get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to troll, they said, anybody who's

00:19:08.000 upset over this is just a socialist. You're idiots. They broke no rules. Well, that turned out not to

00:19:16.660 be the case. We did a fact check on this. Dave, tell us, did Jason Kenney, Jason Nix, and Tyler

00:19:27.140 Shandro, Travis Taves, and I think four other people, run us through the fact check? They denied

00:19:33.500 they broke the rules, still they're blue in the face. Tell us what the fact check said. 26 separate

00:19:39.300 violations of covid regulations there uh 26 uh from socially distancing to to going in and out

00:19:48.180 of buildings uh i mean it was obvious to everybody in alberta that from those photos they were breaking

00:19:55.140 covid regulations and for days for five days jason kenny said no we weren't until they sent some

00:20:01.780 porter intern up to the roof with a ruler and measured the distance between the chairs and

00:20:07.380 and they found out oh no we weren't oh come on the chairs weren't in the same places

00:20:13.220 that they were five days ago every alberton knew that they had done wrong but they refused to admit

00:20:19.860 it uh mla started to come forward angela pitt uh cabinet minister started to come forward

00:20:30.340 the ucp calgary caucus guy even richard gottfried came forward the the pressure was building for

00:20:36.900 another internal revolt and finally kenny had no choice absolutely no choice whatsoever but on

00:20:42.900 monday to issue an apology uh still maintaining that they thought that they had done everything

00:20:48.660 correct uh but admitting now that hey maybe they hadn't and he's very sorry and uh and hopes to

00:20:56.180 learn from it uh i will note he refused to answer questions about uh why a 40-ouncer of irish

00:21:04.180 whiskey was at the uh the dinner table of a working government dinner and bottles of wine

00:21:10.260 didn't answer that question but uh yes he says he's sorry but five days he's got to he's got

00:21:16.340 to get more like ralph klein he's got to realize he's done wrong admit it the next day say you're

00:21:22.180 sorry the next day and then all is forgotten what he did with this was extend the period that it

00:21:28.420 was news and every day it got worse and worse and worse for him until finally he had to come

00:21:33.780 And it means that the apology is empty by the end.

00:21:37.200 Exactly.

00:21:37.700 You're not sorry if it's taken that long.

00:21:41.420 Yeah.

00:21:42.060 Well, actually, correct.

00:21:43.540 The fact check found 16 violations of the regulations and another eight violations of guidelines.

00:21:49.200 Okay.

00:21:49.560 That's where I got the 26th.

00:21:50.920 Yeah.

00:21:51.500 Using the government's own defense.

00:21:53.340 Jason Kenney said, no, this is not what's classified as a patio dinner, even though it was dinner on a patio, catered in a licensed establishment.

00:22:03.780 but somehow that's not a patio dinner okay fine let's grant them that it was now classified he

00:22:08.020 said this is an outdoor social gathering which is another classification and so we that's where we

00:22:12.660 found fine if we grant you which we don't if we grant you that this is an outdoor social gathering

00:22:17.940 you still violated the regulations your own laws that you throw people in jail over that you

00:22:23.860 barricade churches over that you seize businesses over you violated you have 16 counts of violating

00:22:30.100 the regulations and another eight counts of violating the guidelines um i mean and this

00:22:35.940 comes after you know what some call aloha gate uh western standard we call the snowbird scandal

00:22:41.300 where mlas and ministers were flying you know they lock albertans down and then they they muck off to

00:22:46.420 uh hawaii and mexico where there's no lockdowns whatsoever um you know lockdowns are good enough

00:22:53.620 for albertans enough for them and they handled it the same way this comes out they dismiss it

00:22:58.020 anyone who's upset is a socialist. The people who are most upset are people who are against the

00:23:02.260 lockdowns. It's their own base or formally their own base. Those are the people who are most upset.

00:23:08.820 The NDP are going to hate you no matter what. Who cares if they're angry? But people who oppose

00:23:13.860 these lockdowns, who oppose these a lot of these restrictions, they're saying, well of course this,

00:23:18.500 of course you should be allowed to have dinner on a patio. You should be able to drink scotch

00:23:22.260 of wine on the patio why can't I and that that's why this cuts so much a couple of errors I mean

00:23:30.120 the first one was just you're having a good week and it's like it seems that you hate to have a

00:23:33.180 good week and you just did something stupid and it was stupid I think so avoidable but the other

00:23:39.000 part as we said I mean I remember you know on my playground of Twitter when I get out there and I

00:23:43.740 threw it out I said guys there's nothing will undercut support for a government faster more

00:23:48.060 effectively than hypocrisy. This is serious. And I got flooded with the usual fart catchers for the

00:23:54.080 county government saying, no, this isn't as serious. This is a nothing burger. You're just

00:23:58.740 stirring things up. Well, look what happened. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

00:24:03.080 People were upset and it got worse and worse. And as we said, you could have put that out. You could

00:24:07.300 have apologized in the beginning. You could have just said, I screwed up. Like when I used to own

00:24:11.380 a business, you know, when I had my pub or when I had my survey company, employees screw up now

00:24:15.300 on that. That's just part of things. But the thing that would get me though is when they come up,

00:24:18.860 if they're making a whole whack of excuses, I'm not terribly inclined to be forgiving. If they

00:24:23.140 just say, look, this is what I did wrong. It was, it was a boneheaded perhaps. I forgot policies. I

00:24:28.760 forgot whatever, but I won't do it again. I've learned from it. I'm more inclined as an employer

00:24:32.860 to say, yeah, you know, shit happens. But, but this was again, five days of tooth pulling to

00:24:37.960 the point of when he's getting cabinet members revolting on him before he gives a grudging

00:24:42.160 apology. It was just a pointless shot to his own foot again. And I didn't want to see it. I didn't.

00:24:50.960 I'd rather see these guys doing better. It's almost at the point you feel sorry for them

00:24:55.780 because they just can do no right. But then it's self-inflicted. It's always self-inflicted.

00:25:01.100 You know, this is an unusual segment. We're adding a new segment. We had a story of Sky

00:25:07.160 Palace Petty Party Creates Meme Dream. There were some excellent memes that came out of this. Now,

00:25:11.780 guess one of our viewers just said something about this being the irony of

00:25:18.260 a drone let's remember roughly a month back Environment Minister Jason Nixon's

00:25:24.340 ministries plan to hire companies to spy on Alberta campers in the backwoods

00:25:31.460 with drones that got killed pretty quickly people were not too happy about

00:25:35.540 the government with a drone spying program now we don't know for sure how

00:25:40.280 this photo was taken it could have been taken from a very advantageous apartment building

00:25:44.360 uh my bet though if i'm going to bet i'm going to say it was a drone which is pretty ironic

00:25:48.680 considering the minister with the drone spying program is front and center in that picture and

00:25:53.720 here's a meme uh you all recall i'm sure the uh government's uh covid commercials with this ugly

00:26:00.200 looking covid guy uh you know saying covid loves a party these things well this is just one of my

00:26:06.040 favorite memes uh putting mr kovid right at the table loving what's going on oh and speaking of

00:26:12.280 drones this is a good one this is a classic drake meme uh using citizens to using drones to spy on

00:26:18.120 citizens no no good uh but using uh drones to spy on politicians oh yeah that was a good one i i i 0.51

00:26:26.680 like that one and this one this one is creative everyone remembers the everything's you know

00:26:30.680 well everything's on fire this is fine mean uh very well adapted here uh really seeing uh people's

00:26:38.120 photoshop skills being put to good civic use very proud of our citizens and uh what they've done

00:26:43.880 here that is my old friend edmund did this one so cheers to you ed oh is this a friend of yours

00:26:49.640 yeah i used to go to school with him work with him no way no hire him we'll make him he'll make

00:26:54.200 memes full-time for us all right send your resume uh it's a meme dream it's perfect um

00:27:00.840 i think this has done critical damage to the government i mean as we're saying they had a

00:27:07.080 very very narrow path back to political recovery to begin with this has blown up all goodwill

00:27:13.040 their hope was that look yes our people are pissed off but the end of the day we're gonna

00:27:18.680 reopen everyone's gonna feel good we're gonna have the best summer ever and this wild rose thing is

00:27:23.220 just a couple of country bumpkins and they're not going to be serious we're

00:27:28.140 gonna be good and then they do this and this is okay in the 2015 election I

00:27:35.040 told Brian Jean if that we formed government we should destroy the sky

00:27:38.600 palace I don't mean the entire building because that's a billion dollar building

00:27:42.180 it's ridiculously expensive and it'd be wasteful to destroy it but I said we

00:27:45.900 should do one of two things we should either have the world's greatest press

00:27:48.140 conference and take a wrecking ball and literally blow up the penthouse destroy

00:27:52.780 it like so good for TV and it just be kind of symbolize the end of the

00:27:56.800 progressive conservative entitlement error we would just blow it up and

00:28:00.400 everyone would shout and we just turn into a rooftop smoking area the other

00:28:03.940 alternative was we would strip it of all government use and we would turn it into

00:28:08.080 the Museum of Government Waste of Alberta and we just have little

00:28:11.920 exhibitions to you know to Novotel and you know these things from the 80s and

00:28:17.860 we'd have you know the old MLA pension plan we just have exhibitions the

00:28:21.880 government waste. It'd be a very unique museum on the planet. Neither of those things happened. The

00:28:26.320 NDP kept it when they formed government, but they were smart to use it. They just used it for smoking

00:28:31.220 and receptions. Like, there were some receptions up there, and the NDP MLAs would illegally smoke

00:28:37.180 up there. My only problem was Wild Rose MLAs weren't allowed to use it for smoking, but they

00:28:42.340 didn't use it otherwise. They understood that this place was haunted. It had the spirit.

00:28:49.880 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:28:54.340 Oh, my God.

00:28:57.120 God.

00:28:59.580 Oh, you've invoked the curse.

00:29:01.140 You see when you bring up Redford three times.

00:29:02.920 Say Allison Redford's name three times and your camera will go crazy.

00:29:06.980 None of us lost bowel control or something.

00:29:09.540 Well, how did that come up?

00:29:11.120 It just comes up when I think of Redford.

00:29:12.900 Oh, okay.

00:29:13.740 Okay, well, we're not liberal MPs pissing on camera here.

00:29:16.320 but you know they understood the place was haunted don't use it it's just the worst

00:29:22.220 kenny's moved his office into the sky palace and clearly now they're they're using it for other

00:29:27.660 functions um how cory is the ghost of allison redford haunting jc kenny i don't know if it is

00:29:35.200 but you could not have picked a worse spot in the entire province in the world in the sky palace

00:29:42.400 You could have held it in Buckingham Palace and it wouldn't have been as bad.

00:29:45.160 It was the true Marie Antoinette moment of Alison Redford, of when voters,

00:29:49.520 and that's what people have got to understand.

00:29:51.560 Redford did a whole pile of things wrong, but it was that looking down, 0.94

00:29:56.580 self-serving hypocrisy is what really pushed people over the edge with her

00:30:00.760 and why that sky palace was such an odious symbol.

00:30:04.200 And to choose that spot, couldn't you listen to Hinshaw at any of those conferences?

00:30:08.200 I mean, we can't listen to her much longer, but there's one thing she says every time,

00:30:11.580 Just a little bit longer.

00:30:13.580 You know, if he'd have just waited a week, if he'd have done it this weekend and there were pictures of him on the patio,

00:30:18.640 it'd be more like, is everybody else in Calgary and Edmonton's going on the patios?

00:30:21.260 Does anyone believe that this was the first time this happened?

00:30:24.320 Does anyone believe that this was a one-off incident?

00:30:27.300 We just have to assume that that was the first time, but it's pretty unlikely.

00:30:31.760 I've got a bridge to sell you if you think it was the first one.

00:30:34.000 I mean, the fact that somebody took the time to be watching it all the time to get that footage means that they've seen it happen before and they were waiting for it.

00:30:40.680 Yeah.

00:30:40.880 But why?

00:30:41.580 just why i don't understand you know so many high paid and typically smart people to step into things

00:30:48.300 like this just for it was just pointless you've been in politics aren't aren't when you're that

00:30:54.460 level of when you're the premier of the province aren't you supposed to have handlers who maybe a

00:31:00.060 chief of staff who will step in and say sir i don't think we should be doing this well he had

00:31:04.620 to fire his chief of staff because his chief of staff was fired because the chief of staff had

00:31:09.100 had the great judgment to go to England after locking everyone down. So there's

00:31:12.400 still no chief of staff. Clearly the last chief of staff didn't have the judgment

00:31:15.940 to catch these kinds of things. Problem is, too many of the people around, I can't

00:31:20.140 say everyone because I'm not there, but I know a lot of people around Kenny, they're

00:31:23.880 too sycophantic and they're too afraid to tell them this is a bad idea. The most

00:31:30.880 valuable thing a politician can have is an advisor who is unseen, who can say,

00:31:35.680 boss this is a bad idea and when you've got the premier's budget you can pay

00:31:41.220 people literally anything you want some of these people are paid ridiculously

00:31:44.680 quarter million dollars a year and no one no one with the guts to say boss

00:31:49.900 this is a bad idea now to quote councilman Drexler from Parks and Rec in

00:31:57.920 my defense I really wanted to do it and I didn't think I'd get caught they

00:32:02.400 didn't think they'd get caught I mean you're on a rooftop patio when one of

00:32:05.020 the highest buildings in Edmonton I mean who knew that there'd be a drone

00:32:09.940 surveillance program in the area I think politicians now have to become we're

00:32:14.560 getting the same mindset as police officers but anything they do in the

00:32:18.620 public is going to be filmed everybody's got cell phone cameras

00:32:23.020 everybody's got some sort of way of recording things so surely every time

00:32:27.820 Jason Kenney goes in the public he's got to think okay whatever I do is being

00:32:32.480 feeling and act accordingly.

00:32:34.840 Well, and then when we're suffering, it's a matter of then at the very least, we want

00:32:39.640 to know that you're living in the same situation that we are, you know, when you're making

00:32:43.940 the same sacrifices, when you're doing these things.

00:32:45.960 We're all in this together.

00:32:47.040 And we were chided.

00:32:48.240 I mean, that was some of that's what got my back up.

00:32:50.000 So I don't like being chided by anybody.

00:32:51.740 But I remember those, those speeches from Kenny when infections were going up, you know,

00:32:54.740 telling us all, cut it out.

00:32:56.240 And he was pointing out, we're going to crack down on businesses that have regulations and

00:32:59.620 so on that have actually been following the rules and we're going to shut them down because

00:33:04.040 in what he was saying was, well, this is happening during private gatherings.

00:33:07.200 This is happening in the rodeo. 0.94

00:33:08.240 These people are selfish.

00:33:09.700 These people are selfish.

00:33:11.200 This is disturbing.

00:33:12.640 I mean, I think a genuine apology is owed, but I do not think it's forthcoming.

00:33:17.960 Well, we've got as much of an apology out of them as we're going to.

00:33:21.320 And as we've said, it should have happened the day after.

00:33:24.240 They should have realized just what they stepped into and they didn't even realize.

00:33:28.400 Well, their plan was to gaslight the way out of this. They just outright bald-faced lied. They

00:33:33.820 knew they broke the rules, even if it was an outdoor social gathering and not technically

00:33:39.000 a outdoor patio dining. They knew they were breaking the rules. The problem is, if you're

00:33:46.060 going to gaslight people, if you're going to lie, you have to have some political capital to spend.

00:33:49.420 They had no political capital to spend. They were already in deficit. Now, the government's headed

00:33:54.420 for political bankruptcy they at this point they just do not get the benefit of the doubt

00:33:59.380 so if you screw up you're not going to be able to lie your way out of this you're going to have to

00:34:02.740 just eat it and it's taken an already tense caucus and made more of them come out as i said you can't

00:34:08.820 just start booting everybody out when they speak contrary to to his uh appearances you know when

00:34:13.700 leila here came up she spoke about that but also well since i'm beating on him let's go after his

00:34:19.300 talk about, you know, the cancel culture too, because, you know, and this is just pure speculation

00:34:25.740 on my part, but I think people perhaps are starting to position themselves for their

00:34:29.960 leadership runs. And that's when you're getting to the point now, the, you know, unofficial

00:34:34.960 leadership race is starting to happen behind closed doors.

00:34:37.220 Well, we'll wrap up with this about, you know, can he survive his leadership? For the longest

00:34:42.740 time, the discontent in the party and then in the caucus was on the right side of the

00:34:46.000 party it was wild rosers libertarians people who are opposed to lockdowns now

00:34:51.380 you saw Richard Godfrey you saw Lila here both of them are on the left wing

00:34:55.000 of the conservative party Lila here's attack over the sky palace thing I suppose

00:35:03.040 she was correct but she was not angry on the hypocrisy of being anti lockdown she 0.63

00:35:06.760 is extremely pro lockdown and then she piled on about how she supports

00:35:12.560 essentially cancel culture and we should be toppling statues i mean yeah i mean there's

00:35:18.080 always room for a red tour in the in the in the leadership race i'm not sure about having a full

00:35:22.240 on socialist but um she's quite that far but we well if we debate that when the leadership starts

00:35:28.480 yeah yeah well i mean like having an explicitly pro cancel culture candidate is pretty strange

00:35:32.480 for an alberta conservative party yeah um but yeah you're starting now see left people on the left

00:35:38.240 side of the ucp cracking with jason kenny's leadership um this means he's losing on both

00:35:44.000 sides because until recently he was able to hold on to that you know in relative sense left side of

00:35:49.680 the conservative party the center mushy red tory center is that's been his base of the conservative

00:35:56.080 party uh the media don't seem to understand that but that actually has been his most loyal supporters

00:36:01.200 they tend to value power and staying in power more than any of these issues but they're cracking

00:36:07.440 now too possibly because they're seeing that if he remains as leader they're going to lose the next

00:36:12.160 election they're looking out for their own seats now too so yeah okay let's do over under uh over

00:36:18.400 under can he uh stays as premier until the next election 50 50. okay yeah but you have to give me

00:36:25.280 over under uh over over he stays stays stays until the next election over under under but i'm

00:36:32.960 I mean, looking at 40, 60, 40, but on me, yes.

00:36:38.100 I'm going to say, I'm going to say over.

00:36:40.280 I think he stays for the next election, regardless of how bad it goes.

00:36:44.020 I think he's in his, I think he believes himself that he is the only man capable of governing

00:36:49.120 Alberta.

00:36:50.160 And so any arguments to him, like sit him down and say, boss, you got to go for the good

00:36:55.180 of the party, for the good of the province.

00:36:57.260 I don't think he views staying as narcissistic.

00:36:59.440 I think he's, he thinks he is the only guy who can do the job.

00:37:02.160 so I think he stays no matter what, but I think he loses. I think he's going to lose the general.

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