Western Standard - The Pipeline： Mayor Gondek should resign

00:00:00.000 good evening welcome to the pipeline this is the western standards weekly news panel show where we

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00:01:24.320 Before we go there, I will turn to Sean in a moment, but I'll introduce the other ones joining us today.

00:01:30.560 We're starting with here, Nigel Hannaford, our opinion editor.

00:01:35.120 Good evening, Nigel.

00:01:36.840 Good evening to you too, Corey.

00:01:38.800 I was hearing you getting...

00:01:41.100 Still hot under the collar.

00:01:42.660 I see that.

00:01:43.300 I expect he'll be very vociferous today.

00:01:45.400 Well, that's no office politics on the show.

00:01:50.200 But anyway, we're looking forward to getting into it.

00:01:54.760 We've got some great subjects here.

00:01:55.760 Oh, good.

00:01:56.260 Yeah, I was getting wound up and ranting myself a little bit earlier today.

00:01:59.680 But that's what I do.

00:02:00.440 We heard.

00:02:00.880 People expect it of me.

00:02:02.440 And our news editor, Dave Naylor.

00:02:04.940 Corey, how's it going?

00:02:05.580 I'd just like to point out Nigel with his three pages, single type research, me a sticky note.

00:02:12.340 Four lines.

00:02:14.280 Memory, and I've got an illegible scrawl on my notepad that I just write on to make it look like I'm doing something.

00:02:19.680 I got to like his better, actually.

00:02:21.140 Well, he's a real newsman.

00:02:24.240 All right.

00:02:24.840 Well, we'll get into the first story, though.

00:02:26.620 The other person joining us today remotely, though, is Sean Polzer, our business and energy

00:02:32.800 reporter.

00:02:33.460 Hey, Sean, how's it going over there?

00:02:34.980 Doing all right.

00:02:35.600 How are you?

00:02:36.420 Good.

00:02:37.160 Good.

00:02:38.280 So I'll start with getting us to kind of run us through it.

00:02:42.260 The big climate fest of the year has ended.

00:02:45.020 They had a record-breaking turnout.

00:02:46.820 we're all impressed to see such luminaries go over there and discuss how to save us all from

00:02:51.700 ourselves and that being cop 28 uh well uh what what did they resolve and what are the plans sean

00:02:59.460 well i don't know if it's a climax or if it's anti-climactic uh you know it depends on your

00:03:04.900 point of view um apparently it went into overtime and uh mr jibo was uh pronouncing from the dubai

00:03:13.540 international airport where he was about to jet off and create his own emissions profile

00:03:19.700 about the success of reaching an agreement that actually mentions the words fossil fuels

00:03:25.300 for the very first time it's the first time that they've ever had a draft of any kind of

00:03:29.540 an agreement or text and that includes ferris accord that actually mentions fossil fuels so he

00:03:35.220 was pretty happy about it pretty tipper and taking a lot of credit but nobody really knows what it

00:03:42.340 means it looks like he's gonna climax all over the canadian economy with this thing

00:03:48.020 i mean they're actually mentioning phasing out you know outright bringing about to an end that's sort

00:03:53.140 of a new conclusion or being a lot more overt with that intention this time around okay well it

00:03:58.100 doesn't specifically say phase out what it says is uh kind of that just transition it's a it's a

00:04:05.460 transition in a just and equitable way that supposedly doesn't penalize some of these

00:04:11.700 smaller energy-poor countries, but it's not clear whether or not it actually penalizes big emitters

00:04:19.460 and polluters like India and China. There's no indication that they're advancing on any of their

00:04:24.660 timelines to reduce their emissions, which is 2060 and 2070, respectively, compared to 2050,

00:04:30.580 for the rest of us mere mortals on the pantheon of the climate greats.

00:04:38.360 So that sounds a bit like par for the course in a way, though.

00:04:41.200 I mean, a lot of vibranically hot air.

00:04:44.160 I mean, they make their statements, Nigel.

00:04:45.820 They talk about how they're going to save the world,

00:04:47.780 but they don't really delve into the specifics too often with this

00:04:50.320 because they don't want to really commit themselves to something.

00:04:51.800 Well, of course they don't.

00:04:52.700 And, you know, one thing that you can guarantee is not going to happen,

00:04:56.020 this will not be tomorrow's news,

00:04:57.980 that the Chinese representative goes back to Beijing,

00:05:02.580 checks into the Central Committee and says,

00:05:05.140 well, guys, we're going to have to start doing things differently now, aren't we?

00:05:09.080 You know, whatever they agree to, the Chinese have no intention of phasing out fossil fuels,

00:05:16.740 especially not coal, and it's not as if they have the option of even buying Canadian natural gas

00:05:23.840 were they so inclined.

00:05:25.980 So Mr. Gibbo is, like everybody else, he's entitled to have his little moment of glory there,

00:05:33.720 but I think it's going to be a pretty short-lived moment because not much is going to happen out of

00:05:39.080 this, except maybe in Canada, and we know what that looks like. Well, Dave, you've written

00:05:45.720 enough stories on it over the years. I mean, part of it's feeling empowered, though. I mean,

00:05:49.540 we know Gilbo has always wanted to come after him, and now he can say, well, look, I've got

00:05:53.600 the world behind me, guys. This is so important. We need to intervene. Yeah, but he's kind of

00:05:59.540 wrong cory i mean we it was almost getting to the point where his emissions cap we didn't know it

00:06:04.980 was going to come out or not uh because he hadn't mentioned it and then uh talking to sean earlier

00:06:10.100 he thinks orders came down from trudeau and it was announced late last week and he was able to

00:06:15.140 prance around like a peacock and say we're doing this we're doing this well okay yeah canada is

00:06:20.660 doing a lot but the rest of the world isn't uh germany's coal online you know they're looking

00:06:26.420 it doing coal into the future. You know, countries signing long-term deals for natural gas, and

00:06:32.980 sadly, it's not Alberta natural gas. So, it's the rest of the world going one way and Canada

00:06:38.720 going the other. Well, so, Sean, I mean, as predictable as the usual suspects in their

00:06:45.920 interpretations of what they got out of that meeting, what about the response from Premier

00:06:51.060 Smith and the Environment Minister here? Kind of predictable as well, I guess, but

00:06:55.900 justified, or some of us would think.

00:07:01.220 I read this statement that came from the Premier's office this morning.

00:07:04.740 Wow, it was a doozy, accusing Mr. Jebo of treachery and being an embarrassment and overstepping

00:07:13.860 his bounds, his delusional and unconstitutional and illegal pronouncements.

00:07:20.700 You'll notice I'm wearing green today, right?

00:07:22.920 That was a deliberate choice.

00:07:24.600 Oh, you're sitting in the world one little gesture at a time.

00:07:29.460 I think the Premier and Minister Schultz are probably wearing red after they landed back down in town in Calgary,

00:07:39.800 because, yeah, that was a pretty strongly worded statement, to say the least.

00:07:46.400 Have you heard it?

00:07:46.800 And I can't blame them.

00:07:47.680 You know, they were blindsided by the submissions cap.

00:07:49.780 We were blindsided by it because it didn't look like Minister Jebola was even going to announce it.

00:07:56.580 They presented him with an emissions cap, a ball cap that had emissions on it.

00:08:00.840 And he told the person at the time that he wasn't sure that he was even going to be able to wear it at the conference.

00:08:05.840 So not only did we get an emissions cap, but we also got a methane cap on cattle.

00:08:11.900 So now...

00:08:13.780 Oh, the cow burps. I had forgotten about that.

00:08:17.400 But I mean, these things are more than just, I mean, it's laughable when you talk about Trudeau's plans to regulate our cow belches.

00:08:26.080 He can't get out there and catch the flattest or burps from the cows himself, but he can certainly make eating beef more expensive.

00:08:32.480 And that's the way this is going to work out.

00:08:33.800 Yeah, and I think what we've done is we've reached a new low in Alberta relations with Ottawa.

00:08:39.580 To use the word treachery to describe the actions of the federal minister and embarrassment on the world stage,

00:08:46.160 Those are very, very strong, not very diplomatic words to use, Nigel.

00:08:52.000 Nothing to, well, really nothing to lose at the moment.

00:08:55.520 What Smith needs right now is Albert is 100% behind her.

00:09:00.180 And there really isn't, I mean, Gibbo has not left any avenues of compromise.

00:09:07.020 It's not like you said, well, if you do this, then we can do that, and we can work together.

00:09:10.380 No, no, no.

00:09:11.020 This is all one way.

00:09:12.580 So she's now backed into a corner.

00:09:14.800 you either fight back or you knuckle under, and she's not going to knuckle under. 1.00

00:09:21.100 No, she's staying strong for sure.

00:09:22.420 Absolutely.

00:09:23.540 Her supporters will demand that, and that's what they're going to get.

00:09:29.080 The battle lines are being drawn.

00:09:30.860 So, Sean, aside from our politicians and everything, what have you heard from the business community?

00:09:35.660 I know the Canadian Association of Patrolling Producers was pretty critical about the emissions caps.

00:09:39.600 Have there been other business organizations or groups or sort of larger vocal companies speaking up yet on this?

00:09:46.220 Nothing that could really be said in good company.

00:09:48.800 Let's just put it that way.

00:09:50.720 These industry associations are usually quite careful with how they couch the statements that were made.

00:09:57.020 And, you know, Mr. Jebol and also Energy Minister Wilkinson kind of seemed to imply that somehow that they were on board with some of these caps and there wasn't a cap on production.

00:10:08.560 you know, it's a cap on emissions. Minister Wilkinson made a comment that it doesn't make

00:10:14.240 much sense to shut in Canadian oil only to have it produced by countries with worse environmental

00:10:20.840 and social records. But that's not what I was hearing. So in the polite statements,

00:10:27.140 these groups were saying that, yes, this could definitely amount to an emission,

00:10:31.480 to a production cut to meet these requirements. They weren't sure that it was necessary,

00:10:38.180 given the progress that the industry has made.

00:10:40.760 And I even had a couple people,

00:10:43.520 well, they told me that they were on the record

00:10:45.160 and that I could quote them,

00:10:46.120 but I decided not to.

00:10:47.780 Discretion was a better part of valor

00:10:49.280 because they said some pretty nasty things

00:10:51.880 about the environment minister behind closed doors.

00:10:54.920 Well, leave that to me.

00:10:55.820 I got plenty of nasty things.

00:10:58.320 They can just quote me from that crazed-eyed, 0.74

00:11:01.400 orange jumpsuit-wearing extremist,

00:11:03.500 as we call it.

00:11:06.380 You're being kind, Corey.

00:11:07.700 you're being caught. Well, you see what I say when I'm off camera. Well, you do. Thank you for not

00:11:12.460 quoting. I guess, Corey, the question is, how much damage can these people do in 22 months?

00:11:20.480 Well, yeah, if we think we're getting rid of Prime Minister Trudeau, fine, but the investment chill

00:11:25.400 that can be applied and the court challenges and just the general disruption is immeasurable.

00:11:32.020 Trudeau made it clear again today that he is going to run in the next election,

00:11:35.280 despite the fact he lost support from a couple of MPs over an issue we'll get to later on.

00:11:41.980 So he shows no sign of reining himself in, and, you know, Gilbo is in lunatic mode.

00:11:49.600 So I think the answer to your question is a lot.

00:11:51.860 They can cause a lot of damage in 22 months.

00:11:56.020 Well, there'll be lots for you to cover for a while, Sean.

00:11:59.740 You know, if you've got anything more you'd like to let us know about this in closing

00:12:03.220 before we let you get back at it so you can keep scribbling out those stories on the whole thing.

00:12:07.620 Idle hands. Idle hands. Do the devil's work, Corey.

00:12:13.700 Where's the next COP being held at, Sean? Do you know?

00:12:16.980 You know what? I haven't even checked. So that's another thing that comes out of this is

00:12:21.940 supposedly they draft this text and they need agreement among all the 200 members. The only

00:12:27.860 The only one that abstained was Iran, because they left the conference early after the Israelis

00:12:32.980 showed up.

00:12:33.980 So they left in protest, so they weren't even around.

00:12:37.660 But the idea is that everybody takes this piece of paper back home.

00:12:41.480 They chew on it a little bit.

00:12:43.100 They try to figure out what it means and what it means to them.

00:12:46.040 And then they'll come back and make progress reports on it in the subsequent cops when

00:12:52.620 they come.

00:12:53.620 So I'll have to look that one up for you.

00:12:55.760 I haven't even checked where it is.

00:12:57.260 So, Dave, what you missed on your four-line, on your little post-it note here, is the Azerbaijan is going to host COP29.

00:13:06.060 Oh, that's a hot tourist destination.

00:13:08.900 A hot tourist destination.

00:13:10.520 Nigel Goss there first, before me.

00:13:13.060 Have a few energy aspirations themselves, do they not?

00:13:16.340 Hey, Sean, do you feel like spending a couple weeks in Azerbaijan at the next conference?

00:13:19.900 Oh, I couldn't think of a better way that I would really want to spend my time.

00:13:24.100 sort of Vladivostok or something, you know, they don't seem to pick the smallest spots with the,

00:13:28.820 they need better food and accommodations. Dubai might have been fun, but yeah, Azerbaijan, 0.93

00:13:33.700 I'm not even sure what they have there. I'm thinking of you in the role of Borat, you know,

00:13:38.500 in Azerbaijan, flying in on the old Super Connie, you know.

00:13:48.100 Oh, well, we'll laugh for now until the policies come down and we will shiver and cry as winter

00:13:54.020 hits and we can't afford the heating bills due to that skin flint of a bus we have here at the 1.00

00:13:58.820 standard but we can always just put on a sweater i guess but all right i'll let you go sean uh

00:14:04.180 thank you very much for bringing us up to date on this the latest climate conference i'm sure you

00:14:08.100 got plenty more to write yet okay well thank you very much guys okay thanks and yes sean writes a

00:14:14.340 lot of great stuff on there good in-depth business and energy reporting so i just want to remind

00:14:18.660 everybody if you haven't subscribed yet get on there guys westernstandard.news membership

00:14:24.180 10 bucks a month 100 a year well worth it you can get past the paywall see nigel's writings

00:14:30.100 my writings and of course uh dave and the rest of the gang out there there's a lot of content

00:14:34.260 constantly going up there so and if you've subscribed already hey thanks we really do

00:14:37.940 appreciate it so yes you overlook preston manning and conrad true enough we've had some great you

00:14:45.700 You know, guest columnist contributing of yes, again, you never know who's going to pop up there

00:14:51.160 with some of the folks who fire in the odd piece.

00:14:53.960 I don't like those competitors.

00:14:54.920 You don't want to read my stuff first.

00:14:56.400 Can you explain Conrad's column to me?

00:14:58.200 He used some really big words.

00:15:00.480 Well, Dave, actually, I don't want to give the game away, but I've got a dictionary for you.

00:15:04.080 Oh, okay.

00:15:04.640 And the Secret Santa Exchange.

00:15:05.720 Oh, excellent.

00:15:06.320 Yeah, so there you go.

00:15:09.260 Okay.

00:15:10.540 Oh, the Secret Santa.

00:15:12.500 I'm not going there.

00:15:13.400 You know, one thing about it, I don't want to take us off topic, but he was surprisingly optimistic about the future. 0.87

00:15:19.600 I was trying to make all the arguments of, oh, we're going to go to hell in a handbasket.

00:15:22.680 Oh, no, no, he said Conrad.

00:15:24.460 So it was towards the end of the interview.

00:15:27.000 I'm going to have to pull that out and present it separately.

00:15:30.220 Good.

00:15:31.660 Sorry.

00:15:32.360 Back to you, sir.

00:15:33.140 Quite all right.

00:15:33.980 I think we have a loose subject.

00:15:37.720 We'll bring these a little closer to home.

00:15:40.660 It's an issue that made national news.

00:15:42.920 it was Calgary's Mayor Jody Gondek. It just won't seem to quite go away, actually. Dave,

00:15:50.140 if you can kind of lay out for some of the people who might not have seen the stories on this

00:15:52.880 already, what did her worship do to this? Her worship, yes. Late last week, she put out a

00:15:59.240 lengthy statement saying she would not attend the menorah lighting ceremony down at Calgary's

00:16:04.100 City Hall. Corey, as you know, this is a ceremony that's been going on for 30 years,

00:16:09.440 And for 30 years, every single mayor has gone.

00:16:13.060 But this year, Gondek said no, because she didn't want to pick sides, quote unquote, in the ongoing conflict between Hamas and Israel.

00:16:25.460 She was offended that I think one of the lines on the invitation said, you know, in support of Israel.

00:16:32.060 I mean, imagine that, Corey, a Jewish ceremony in support of Israel.

00:16:35.260 Who would have thought it?

00:16:36.960 I've heard of.

00:16:37.520 The outrage was unbelievable, really, to a level rarely seen.

00:16:44.820 And across the country, commentators were furious closer to home.

00:16:50.820 I know you have written a column, and Nigel's written columns, and we've got letters.

00:16:56.820 And over at the Calgary Herald, Dawn Braid even said she's a disgrace and has to go. 1.00

00:17:02.260 And Rick Bell says she's a disgrace and has to go.

00:17:04.980 So, you know, for a mayor that's been recording historic lows in the polling, I don't think this is going to help her much.

00:17:13.400 You know, also, as she's trying to lay it down and do damage control, it just comes off as unconvincing.

00:17:22.140 First of all, the first thing I read of her comments was that she said, well, I mean, all of a sudden it became political.

00:17:28.640 Well, she's a politician, you know, where two or three people are gathered together, there will a politician be. 0.98

00:17:34.160 And I don't know personally, but anecdotally, I hear that she's very good at getting out into small community groups and making her case and trying to win support. 0.88

00:17:45.460 And all of a sudden, this is political.

00:17:47.740 And then later it comes out, well, it looks like it's in support of Israel.

00:17:51.480 So therefore, madam, are you saying you're not in support of Israel?

00:17:55.560 Who do you support in this conflict?

00:17:58.380 Because you have to be on one side or the other.

00:18:01.480 It's no good just saying a plague on both sides.

00:18:04.860 They're killing each other.

00:18:06.820 So who do you, where do you stand?

00:18:10.500 And I think she's made it pretty clear that she does not stand with Israel.

00:18:16.200 So I have to assume that she's taking her, she's carrying water for the people who jumped the border 0.98

00:18:23.820 and started shooting and stabbing and raping and burning and beheading. 0.99

00:18:28.820 beheading. And before the day was done, 1,200 people were slaughtered, not killed, slaughtered. 0.99

00:18:35.980 You know what? I'm against that. I can stand with Israel on that. 1.00

00:18:40.340 It is a right or wrong. You know, she was saying taking sides in a conflict that has no sides.

00:18:45.260 What a load of complete crap. I'm sorry, but only one side crossed the border, 0.99

00:18:50.040 murdered babies, raped women, and took hundreds of hostages. But I mean, you know, it's almost

00:18:55.200 a digression, as outraged as we get, shouldn't let her pull us into that, because that's the trap, 0.93

00:19:00.740 because this affair and this event wasn't about that. It was never about that. There was something

00:19:07.020 that you can't have Hanukkah without mentioning Israel. Israel has been a part of the Jewish

00:19:11.520 faith for thousands of years. It didn't come about in 1948, as some people might think or act as if,

00:19:18.160 and she politicized it. And that's part of, I think, what outraged so many people, though,

00:19:22.480 because they saw right through it when she went and blamed those sneaky Jews for turning this

00:19:27.100 into a political event when it was supposed to be just an expression of faith. They never did

00:19:31.360 anything of the sort, and nobody else could see that as well, and it's blown up in her own face,

00:19:36.720 but she keeps doubling down. Yeah, she won't, you know, she says she won't apologize or admit she

00:19:41.920 did wrong, and one of the things that concerned her was that they were raffling off Israel bonds,

00:19:50.260 And as you know, Corey, this is a raffle that goes on every single year.

00:19:54.140 It's a government of Israel bond, just like a government of Canada bond, that they raffle off for children.

00:19:59.680 You know, maybe to start their own bank account or something like that.

00:20:02.840 But it got turned around into, well, it must be war bonds to fund the war effort.

00:20:07.740 I mean, how ludicrous.

00:20:09.340 It's just, you know, I think you said it on your show earlier today.

00:20:14.600 I mean, who would have thought we'd be pining for the good old days of Nahid Nenshi?

00:20:18.820 But, yeah, this mirror is a disgrace.

00:20:22.100 It is.

00:20:22.740 And the war bonds, just to explain, because some of the more loony followers of Gondek and others were trying to make that claim.

00:20:28.180 So part of Hanukkah, I mean, it's one of the few, Jewish holidays are usually pretty morose affairs. 1.00

00:20:33.180 There's not a lot of, you know, upbeat things.

00:20:35.780 It's usually the Jews coming out of one oppression or another or Passover and, you know, et cetera and things like that.

00:20:41.920 But Hanukkah, at least, is one I think is kind of westernized a bit to have some fun with the kids,

00:20:45.620 give out some money to the kids, things like that as well. I mean, it's another holiday

00:20:49.440 talking about getting away from oppression again, and in that case with the Greeks, but

00:20:53.660 part of it was you give out money to kids. And that's what this tradition was with the Israel

00:21:00.260 bonds, was there's two of them for $100 each, and they'll do a raffle, they'll draw, because there's

00:21:05.240 a whole bunch of kids there, and two of the children will get, whether it's presumably to

00:21:08.900 save for their education or whatever, $100 bond each. She characterized that as a fundraiser,

00:21:14.320 If they were selling the bonds there, never corrected herself, never corrected that misinterpretation of what this was.

00:21:21.180 And again, I think that's what people found so odious.

00:21:23.780 She just couldn't say, I made a mistake, and that wasn't what it was about.

00:21:27.540 No, she just keeps reading in something.

00:21:30.280 I think that people look weak when they change their minds.

00:21:34.900 She must have been given some advice that, you know, look, you've stuck your foot in it now.

00:21:40.500 You're not going to make any progress by pulling it out again.

00:21:43.240 and people aren't going to take you seriously.

00:21:45.520 So if that's what you think, stick to it and look strong, you know.

00:21:49.100 There was a mayoral predecessor who made a lot of mistakes, a guy named Ralph Klein.

00:21:53.160 And, you know, he was quite good at admitting his mistakes and owning them.

00:21:57.200 And in fact, people seem to have appreciated it.

00:21:59.600 They certainly did.

00:22:01.060 I'm saying it was good advice, I would say.

00:22:02.900 I think that's probably the advice you got.

00:22:05.080 One thing her statement did was cause many more people to go down there

00:22:08.800 who probably weren't going to go down there.

00:22:10.560 And it was standing room only.

00:22:11.780 It was packed.

00:22:12.800 You know, I think you said the heat from all the bodies was getting too much.

00:22:17.380 They dragged poor Jane down there with me, and we stood and, you know, took it.

00:22:21.220 And as I said, most people haven't gone to something like this.

00:22:24.560 This is not a heavily religious thing.

00:22:27.420 It's religious-based, of course, but it's like a Christmas tree lighting.

00:22:29.980 It's festive.

00:22:30.500 There were children, you know, Jewish choirs singing, all sitting on the steps there off-key.

00:22:35.920 And there were crafts for the kids.

00:22:38.480 It was celebratory.

00:22:39.780 You know, there was music.

00:22:41.400 And I went in person anyways, because I like to see things with my own eyes.

00:22:44.580 I mean, if Rabbi Maudetov had been up there saying, flood the tunnels and bomb Gaza and things like that,

00:22:50.540 well, then I would be concerned.

00:22:51.740 I would be upset.

00:22:52.520 But there was nothing of the sort.

00:22:53.980 There was never going to be anything of the sort.

00:22:56.360 And it was not a rally as they tried to put it out as well.

00:22:59.260 It's something that's been happening for 35 years.

00:23:01.920 But, you know, Corey, there's two things that sort of come out of this.

00:23:04.080 One is that we referred to Preston Manning just now, and what he recommended is in his column.

00:23:09.740 and the other thing is the fallout in in ottawa with manning i would really suggest that one of

00:23:16.540 the biggest problems as that we face as conservatives is that we're lazy we actually

00:23:24.220 don't want much out of government other than to be left alone and that leaves the field clear to

00:23:30.460 the activists and the people with outlandish points of view of which we seem to have a number

00:23:36.220 in our own city council.

00:23:39.520 So what Preston Manning is saying,

00:23:41.420 and I would urge people to go to the website,

00:23:44.760 log in, look at what he said.

00:23:47.600 What Preston Manning is saying is,

00:23:50.060 you've got two years.

00:23:51.780 Start to organize.

00:23:53.600 If you don't like what's going on,

00:23:56.400 and you shouldn't,

00:23:58.060 we'll start to get together and say,

00:24:00.620 how are we going to change this?

00:24:03.180 Because this is what you get.

00:24:06.220 the fruit of our apathy. It's the fruit of our apathy. The other good suggestion was why doesn't

00:24:11.820 somebody on the current council, there's 14 others of them, bring forward a motion to say, you know,

00:24:16.380 we're not all agreeing with the mayor. We want it out there that we're not all, you know, on the

00:24:24.380 side of the terrorists, so to speak. Well, it seems more like the council's trying to run cover because

00:24:28.140 they've turned into a giant issue. This has been the scandal of the century of way overshadowing

00:24:33.020 Mayor Gondek's actions was Councillor Dan McLean apparently tuned into a council meeting from the

00:24:39.020 golf course. With apparently other councillors also at the golf course, but he was the only one

00:24:47.140 they complained about. Imagine that, eh? Yeah, but he did attend and speak at, actually, the

00:24:52.680 menorah lighting, and I would think if any councillor would have brought forward somewhere

00:24:56.480 with just some sort of censure or something with Mayor Gondek, it would have been

00:25:00.980 McLean, but now he's busy playing damage control because he dared to.

00:25:06.960 Either that or he knows the motion would fail.

00:25:09.260 Well, there's that too.

00:25:10.440 I mean, Gondek's just the head of a council of kooks.

00:25:14.200 You know, I think maybe we should commend Mr. McLean for his commitment and his dedication,

00:25:19.620 because even when he was out there playing golf, he still had the interests of the citizens of Calgary on his mind,

00:25:26.740 enough to dial in.

00:25:28.420 It's ironic. Years of Parliament was dialing in through Zoom. I mean, the Liberal members were even pissing during the meetings and naked at times. Walking around naked. So, I mean, this is the standard today, is it not? A remote dial-in for your job is acceptable. At least, it's certainly not a giant scandal.

00:25:47.540 I guess not.

00:25:48.880 But he's got to write a letter of apology to all of us.

00:25:52.160 I wonder what his score was.

00:25:53.340 Well, I'll tell him, yeah. He should just tell him that he'll write a letter of apology for being on the golf course when she writes a letter of apology for the stupid position that she's taken on this. 0.99

00:26:06.020 It really is. It's just been astounding. You know, and we've watched politics a long time. We can be pretty cynical at times and expect the least. 1.00

00:26:13.100 But still, I mean, as an experienced player, she just she can't seem to read the room on this one.

00:26:19.560 I mean, even you don't have to apologize, but go to ground, you know, just just be quiet about it.

00:26:23.900 Then let it go. But she won't. She's showing up on radio.

00:26:26.480 She's actually she's not one for going to the press that often.

00:26:29.100 We've seen more of her in the last week, unfortunately, than we have in the last two months.

00:26:34.280 Maybe she's just going to do a scorched earth policy because she knows deep down she's not running again already. 1.00

00:26:39.320 I hope so, because as you said, too, it's our apathy, you know, that keeps getting these ones put in, which means you still have to watch not to replace Gondek with somebody worse.

00:26:50.340 But it's hard to knock incumbents off electorally before the flakes start talking.

00:26:55.560 I remember when we said we couldn't elect anybody worse than Nenshi.

00:26:59.300 Look what happened.

00:27:00.320 Yes.

00:27:00.940 Well, and Nenshi was politically astute, whatever.

00:27:02.860 Yes.

00:27:03.080 Oh, yes.

00:27:03.400 He was a smart politician.

00:27:04.660 No doubt about that.

00:27:05.320 He would not have stepped into this mess.

00:27:07.200 No.

00:27:07.340 And he must have attended a menorah lighting or two in his day.

00:27:12.000 Well, I would say, well, how long was he in?

00:27:13.600 He must have attended nearly 10 of them.

00:27:15.320 He didn't skip them.

00:27:16.400 And he's, as far as I know, an observant Muslim.

00:27:19.060 Exactly.

00:27:19.560 He learns you set that aside.

00:27:20.680 You represent as the mayor.

00:27:21.700 You politely go.

00:27:22.520 You smile.

00:27:23.160 You don't have to agree with the room.

00:27:24.160 You don't even have to like them.

00:27:25.400 That's politics.

00:27:26.700 Just do your part.

00:27:27.960 Move on.

00:27:30.180 Amen, brother.

00:27:30.980 Speaking of moving on.

00:27:31.720 Yes, let's move on to the federal front.

00:27:34.120 You know, there's where the sane politicians are.

00:27:37.340 Canada has really made its mark at the U.N. Dave, what have you got going on?

00:27:42.340 Yeah, it came out yesterday morning, Corey, that I think it was Australia, Canada, and New Zealand

00:27:48.020 had brokered this deal where they were going to, you know, go plan for a ceasefire, ask for a ceasefire

00:27:54.440 in Gaza. And it went to a vote at the United Nations, and it passed, 153 to nothing,

00:28:02.540 with Canada supporting it, including, you know, such luminaries as Russia and Syria and the United

00:28:11.360 States didn't vote, a whole bunch of countries, I think 26 countries abstained. So, but that,

00:28:18.600 it caused outrage because, you know, I think right-minded people think that, you know, it's

00:28:24.380 It's not Israel's, you know, it's Hamas caused this, right? 0.99

00:28:29.540 If they want to get a ceasefire, then surrender, release all the hostages, lay down your arms.

00:28:36.880 But they didn't do that.

00:28:38.520 So Marc Cassino, the minister, what's the name again, sorry?

00:28:44.900 Mendicino, the former minister of lies.

00:28:48.900 He, within an hour, he was tweeting that he disagreed with Trudeau.

00:28:53.280 and another liberal by the name of, what was it, Horsefeather, also disagreed.

00:29:01.800 So it's, you know, the first time you're seeing an open tear a little bit in the liberal ranks.

00:29:12.060 So it's a very controversial position.

00:29:16.380 Melanie Jolie said, yeah, the Jews are going to be upset.

00:29:19.600 No, no, no. Yeah, right. Yes, they are. I was going to say no shit, Sherlock, but I don't want to get bleeped. But yes, Jewish organizations are outraged. So, you know, on on Tuesday, Trudeau stood with hostages families and, and, you know, gave his support to the Israelis. And then the next day, he stabs them in the back at the UN.

00:29:44.680 So it's interesting that, you know, there's all sorts of speculation that, you know, the Muslim population in Canada is now much greater than the Israeli population.

00:29:56.600 And he's pandering to where the votes are.

00:29:59.860 Well, that's it.

00:30:01.080 And something that I've seen some others point out was Mendicino's constituency, 18% of the population there is Jewish, which is pretty high for any constituency in Canada, actually.

00:30:10.320 So perhaps there's some political motive there.

00:30:12.420 But Anthony, house father, is Jewish himself, and he's been very outspoken throughout this whole thing.

00:30:17.720 But aside from Jewish people, I mean, the odiousness of this. 1.00

00:30:21.940 I mean, Israel did cooperate in one ceasefire, and they did exchange, I mean, 150 terrorists they gave back to get, you know, a much smaller amount of their own citizens who'd been taken hostage.

00:30:33.940 They looked to extend it, but Hamas refused to give any more hostages back, and then Hamas started launching rockets.

00:30:40.740 Hamas broke the ceasefire. Yeah, but Israel catches the crap. And I think it's not just 0.99

00:30:46.100 Jews, just Canadians in general are getting sick and tired of this victim blaming because that's

00:30:49.700 what this is. In Trudeau's statement, Trudeau had a long conversation with Israeli Prime Minister

00:31:00.660 Benjamin Netanyahu. When he came out and he spoke to the press corps there in Ottawa,

00:31:07.460 He said, well, what did you say?

00:31:09.480 And he said a lot of things, but among them was that Canada was committed to a two-state solution.

00:31:17.600 Well, good for Canada. 0.51

00:31:22.040 Israel would be okay with a two-state solution, but Hamas is not. 0.99

00:31:28.760 They do not want a two-state solution.

00:31:32.240 they want a single state with them being it and with every Jew expelled from that geographical 1.00

00:31:43.200 area. They have been uncompromising on that. It's in the charter that governs Hamas. The

00:31:49.180 destruction of this Zionist entity is the goal. And so Mr. Trudeau takes us for fools again 1.00

00:31:58.640 by suggesting that there is a position that reasonable people could meet 0.95

00:32:05.700 when, in fact, there isn't because we're not dealing with people who are reasonable

00:32:11.500 and looking for a compromise.

00:32:13.880 I think he plays to a degree, unfortunately, on the Canadian ignorance of the Middle Eastern situation.

00:32:18.060 It is a complicated mess over there. It always has been.

00:32:22.240 But, I mean, if Israel wanted a one-state solution,

00:32:24.520 they've got the military hardware to get rid of every Palestinian. 1.00

00:32:27.360 they could have done that two months ago.

00:32:29.800 It would have taken them a couple of days to truly, actually, all the things they're accused of.

00:32:33.500 They could have carpet bombed, they could have indiscriminately have bombed,

00:32:36.580 and they could have lobbed artillery over their own walls and never put a single soldier at risk and just wiped out the Palestinians.

00:32:41.560 They didn't do it. They won't do it.

00:32:45.020 Likewise, people forget, Palestine, Gaza, they had their own state for 18 years.

00:32:51.480 They were given that. Israel pulled out.

00:32:52.980 You want to find footage, they were taking Jewish settlers by force and pulling them out of there,

00:32:57.060 saying we're giving it to these Gazans. Speaking of the disengagement in 2005, right? Yeah. And 0.96

00:33:03.500 they got no credit for that. And how did the Gazans react? Well, they didn't build their 0.70

00:33:08.320 economy. They didn't build their society. They dug tunnels. They collected rockets. They trained

00:33:12.120 terrorists. And I'm sorry, but they got their own asses handed to them yet again because they 1.00

00:33:15.880 insist on killing their neighbors. I'm getting tired of it. As are the neighbors. I note yesterday 0.99

00:33:22.220 was, you know, the billionaire leaders of Hamas are headquartered in Qatar. They were told yesterday

00:33:29.520 that Qatar couldn't guarantee their safety anymore because the Mossad, Benjamin Netanyahu said we are 0.92

00:33:35.720 going to eliminate every single one of them. So they've apparently fled Qatar and turned their 0.95

00:33:41.440 cell phones off. Rumors, maybe they're going to Algeria. But remember those terrorists who killed

00:33:49.320 all the israelis in the 1972 olympics and one by one they were liquidated until they were all dead

00:33:55.720 spend years looking at it spend years second only to cra i would not want the masada no a great book

00:34:01.960 called vengeance if you want if you want to read about it but uh you know i have no doubt israel

00:34:07.400 it may take years but israel will get them one by one they're gonna they have to i mean if israel

00:34:13.720 didn't defend itself they would have been gone a long time ago how many times has this happened

00:34:18.760 you know in 68 uh you know and then the infant it just never seems to stop and then they keep

00:34:24.840 getting punished for defending themselves and the good thing is net yeah who couldn't give

00:34:31.960 to anything about what justin trudeau or new zealand or some others want to tell him what to

00:34:37.640 do or biden biden biden he'll forget within an hour whatever he said anyways but all the same

00:34:44.520 I mean, they can make all the motions they like at the U.N.

00:34:47.280 It's always been dominated by the terrorist states anyways. 0.58

00:34:51.320 Israel's going to do what happened. 0.98

00:34:52.060 But this is actually a first time for Canada to have not taken the line that shows some support for Israel.

00:35:00.300 This is actually a threshold that has been crossed, if you want to look at it in those terms.

00:35:06.240 We've always kind of been, especially when Harper was in office.

00:35:11.300 But, you know, even since 2015, when Trudeau came to power, up until this point, we have always said, well, Israel's got to do what Israel has got to do.

00:35:23.240 And now we're saying we're not.

00:35:24.440 And I have to wonder sometimes, what is the, what drives that way of thinking?

00:35:29.000 It's obviously not sort of misplaced compassion.

00:35:33.980 Is it, in fact, a recognition that the voting demographics are changing in certain key writings, which you mentioned?

00:35:44.580 Or is this where the new immigrants are coming from? 0.99

00:35:48.780 It could be just crass politics.

00:35:52.280 I mean, the biggest threat to Trudeau's re-election isn't so much Polyev, it's the NDP.

00:35:58.480 And the NDP, many of their members are very strongly anti-Israel.

00:36:02.480 So if Trudeau panders to them, perhaps he's feeling he can garner some of that far-left support

00:36:07.760 and pull it back into the Liberal Party.

00:36:09.420 I'm just speculating on the political benefits he might see.

00:36:12.160 It's a vicious calumny that you've uttered against the NDP 0.99

00:36:15.240 to say that they are in favor of people who murder and rape and burn. 0.92

00:36:19.160 One needs only to look onto social media and see the statements from the union heads 0.81

00:36:22.840 and the NDP typical members, even, I mean, to the point of Ontario throwing out one of their MPPs

00:36:29.660 because she was so beyond the pale.

00:36:32.260 Sorry, guys.

00:36:32.980 Own your turf.

00:36:34.800 Indeed.

00:36:35.940 Now, ugly times.

00:36:38.460 I guess we'll go on to another subject that's a little bit negative as well,

00:36:41.560 but still not as dire or dark as the Israel situation.

00:36:46.820 Maybe there's something we can do about it, but Canada's waiting lists,

00:36:49.940 health care-wise.

00:36:51.160 I mean, it's an ongoing story, but it's just getting worse.

00:36:53.280 It's dire if you need a new hip, I guess.

00:36:56.580 Here's where my research comes in, Corey.

00:36:58.420 Aha.

00:36:58.900 You got the sticky notes.

00:36:59.900 I wouldn't want it to be wasted.

00:37:01.340 The annual report on wait lists done by the Fraser Institute was out yesterday.

00:37:05.940 Just to see a general practitioner, or to go from your doctor to see a specialist right now,

00:37:11.720 the average wait in Canada is 27.7 weeks, more than half a year.

00:37:18.120 That is quadrupled since 1993, when it only took 9.3 weeks.

00:37:24.820 Ontario has the shortest wait lists, 21.6 weeks.

00:37:29.960 And we little Nova Scotia has the longest.

00:37:33.100 You need to see a specialist, you have to wait more than a year, 56.7 weeks.

00:37:38.820 Imagine that, you know, having to live with something for more than a year.

00:37:43.640 So obviously the wait lists are getting longer and longer and longer.

00:37:48.100 The money spent on health care is getting more and more and more.

00:37:52.560 Something needs to be done, Corey.

00:37:53.780 Well, I think what we need to do is that if we, I mean, right now,

00:37:57.320 i don't have any sense that i'm going to need a hip replacement but why don't i book my specialist

00:38:01.960 appointment now in six months time maybe maybe it's maybe you will maybe i will need it you know

00:38:07.480 there's a ways around these things you know here's the thing about the way the health system is

00:38:14.760 organized in canada it's not it's not that it's peculiar to alberta or ontario or quebec or

00:38:20.760 anywhere else in all cases the the hospital authorities are funded on a per capita basis

00:38:30.200 if you serve an area with a million people whatever the per capita is you get a million of them and

00:38:37.000 there's your budget and you've got to work within it now if nobody comes into the hospital it's no

00:38:42.760 problem but every person who comes in represents a draw that has just come out of your budget

00:38:51.800 and so if you get a lot of people coming in it is possible to go over your budget how do you

00:38:57.160 handle that or you defer expenditures for as long as you can so you tell the chat don't send them

00:39:04.840 over here they'll take it out of next year's budget now then is there another way to do it

00:39:11.000 Well, yes there is. Supposing that hospitals, like supermarkets, were rewarded on the basis of customer choice.

00:39:20.400 So, if you elect to go to hospital A, hospital A gets to put the shit in to the provincial government to get paid. 0.91

00:39:35.000 The incentive then is for each individual hospital to promote itself 0.94

00:39:41.860 because that's the way you get money.

00:39:44.140 It's rather like every other enterprise that we deal with,

00:39:49.640 whether it's car dealers or supermarkets or opticians.

00:39:56.880 you draw your traffic to yourself by your excellence and getting the job done.

00:40:06.960 We should be in a situation where a hospital administrator, I'm going to be frivolous here,

00:40:11.860 so all those people who are out there saying, he didn't really say that, did he?

00:40:15.880 Now, I'm being frivolous, but look, you know, you should be in a position where the hospital

00:40:19.600 administrator, somebody from their staff is down in the back paying off the cab drivers

00:40:24.480 who have brought the latest case into their emergency.

00:40:28.360 And that person is into emergency and into the system before they can say,

00:40:33.000 you know, it is, we've got to change the incentives in the system.

00:40:37.440 Well, and it's just the Canada Health Act that, I mean,

00:40:39.320 that creates this monopoly situation and very hospital-centric.

00:40:44.040 Absolutely, we need some competition.

00:40:45.760 We need to look at these patients as actually assets,

00:40:48.720 but ones that you compete for with good treatment.

00:40:51.020 I mean, some of it, too, is if we have a fantastic orthopedic surgeon

00:40:55.320 Why couldn't we have a few of them?

00:40:56.760 Why couldn't we have a few of them set up their teams and freestanding clinics that specialize in what they do 1.00

00:41:01.560 and have those guys compete with each other and say, hey, yeah, there's Dr. Larry over there.

00:41:05.560 He's pretty good, but, you know, I can get you in two weeks earlier.

00:41:08.620 And, you know, here's my Google reviews to show that everybody's been all happy with the knee replacements I've done.

00:41:14.340 And, oh, there's Dr. Don over there. 0.99

00:41:17.500 He sucks. 0.99

00:41:18.000 I mean, look at all these one stars. 1.00

00:41:19.340 You know, don't go to his clinic.

00:41:20.540 You're going to have a bad time.

00:41:21.700 I know, again, it sounds crass, but it works.

00:41:24.980 Yeah, as Nigel said, there's too much power resting within the hospitals at the moment.

00:41:30.240 To their credit, the UCP is trying to change that.

00:41:32.420 They're dismantling Alberta Health Services.

00:41:34.460 They're taking the power away from the hospitals and giving it up, you know, different silos.

00:41:40.240 So I think we're the first in Canada to try that.

00:41:43.520 And, you know, other people, I can see if it works, jumping on board.

00:41:47.020 Well, look, I'll give you an example of where it's actually happening, not in Canada.

00:41:50.840 Back in 2014, Harper went to the Middle East.

00:41:55.180 He went principally to do a speech to the Knesset,

00:41:58.200 but we had some other business that took us to Jordan.

00:42:01.400 So now we're in the bus.

00:42:04.560 We've got somebody local with us,

00:42:06.860 and we're driving from one place to another in Amman.

00:42:09.980 And we go down this street,

00:42:11.780 and he's pointing out all the private health facilities.

00:42:16.800 Amman has stacked with private doctors,

00:42:20.180 and they are serving the entire Middle East and most of Europe.

00:42:25.440 If you are in a hurry and you can afford it

00:42:27.680 and you need quality medical care,

00:42:30.340 then they recommend they find you a doctor

00:42:32.840 and they're doctors from all over the world.

00:42:36.020 It's not like it's that Jordan has got an excellent medical school,

00:42:40.620 but it's set up like a business.

00:42:42.440 People come in and they get fixed and they get fixed very quickly.

00:42:46.240 Now, there are some inequities.

00:42:47.640 Not everybody can do that.

00:42:48.740 And that always comes back to the argument that the people who don't want to reform the health system come up with.

00:42:57.260 But, you know, we're in the business, if you can get the people, if you can move people through,

00:43:03.300 you kind of make more room for the ones who are left behind, and even they get seen a little quicker.

00:43:09.580 And I'm sure that if you are a Jordanian citizen, there is some advantage to the fact that you've got this center of excellence

00:43:18.240 It's for medical expertise.

00:43:21.760 And Mexico is done with dental work. 0.85

00:43:23.880 Yeah, how good on this.

00:43:25.060 You know, flocking across the border, Canadians, Americans alike,

00:43:28.200 to get expensive dental work done for a fraction of the price.

00:43:31.520 Apparently you can pay for your hotel and your week stay

00:43:35.580 and your airfares out of what you save over going locally.

00:43:39.700 Exactly.

00:43:40.160 I'll give a direct example because that's what Jane and I did a couple of years ago.

00:43:43.320 We got some work done.

00:43:44.200 We were quoted at over $10,000 for the work here.

00:43:47.900 Yeah.

00:43:48.240 Went to Algodones just across from Yuma.

00:43:50.380 Yeah, you cross that border and it is like that.

00:43:52.860 There's guys handing out for this clinic or that.

00:43:55.560 That little town has about 400 dentists there.

00:43:57.980 And fantastic, modern, professionally trained.

00:44:01.060 You're still in Mexico, I mean, 1.00

00:44:02.020 if you don't want the dental,

00:44:02.860 they'll try and sell you a sombrero or whatever,

00:44:04.580 but when you get in there, it's clean, it's very well done.

00:44:08.160 We got it done for $2,500.

00:44:11.400 Quickly, professionally, excellently,

00:44:13.640 because they compete and they're medical professionals.

00:44:17.300 I mean, that's part of it too, is we need the professionals.

00:44:19.060 We need to give them incentive to come here.

00:44:21.620 And if they, you know, hang their shingle,

00:44:23.000 but right now we're in a system,

00:44:25.180 I don't know if a specialist is gonna feel valued

00:44:27.460 or properly utilized or whatever

00:44:30.600 in a Canadian hospital right now,

00:44:32.040 when they can, there's American or European 0.99

00:44:34.820 or all sorts of others saying, you know,

00:44:36.660 we can fix you up.

00:44:37.660 We can put you in a better environment

00:44:39.800 to perform your profession.

00:44:42.640 Our system is very rigid when it comes to that as well.

00:44:45.180 Biggest mistake Rolf Klein ever made was Bill 11,

00:44:48.720 which banned private hospitals in Alberta.

00:44:51.940 None of what I'm talking about

00:44:53.180 and what you're agreeing with me,

00:44:55.300 I think it can happen because of that bill.

00:44:57.980 And it was just by peace with the labor unions

00:45:01.800 that represent the medical profession.

00:45:03.940 Well, any bill can be received.

00:45:05.180 Exactly, and we're getting a new bill.

00:45:06.780 The Bill 12, Bill 11.9.

00:45:11.680 Would Premier Smith be willing?

00:45:13.500 she's got so many irons in the fire it's so much fury right now does she want i mean i'd love to

00:45:17.740 see it but do you think she's going to want to poke into that hornet's nest because boy that's 1.00

00:45:22.060 a big one she's going to do it she better do it within 12 months and then let the system play out 0.96

00:45:29.980 showing what a great idea it was sooner rather than later you're going to start seeing some

00:45:33.820 outcomes it was interesting with the i had tim moan a paramedic on my show last week and he

00:45:39.180 talked about it with the uh smith mandating the end of hallway care and they've seen improvements

00:45:43.740 i mean if somebody puts their foot down apparently there is room to move in that system but you've

00:45:47.660 really got to have somebody willing to stand up to the status quo and stare them down and they've

00:45:52.940 already moved removed a lot of senior vice presidents and uh no job is underway oh she

00:45:59.100 certainly made it clear that she means business anyway so that's that's good i guess we'll see

00:46:03.180 and we'll keep commenting on it and trying to encourage the government to go the right way if

00:46:07.420 if they're listening to us.

00:46:08.540 I don't know.

00:46:08.880 Maybe we're just talking to ourselves.

00:46:11.020 We've got to keep trying.

00:46:11.840 Let's not stop what this says on Twitter.

00:46:14.980 Twitter, I'm not going to start with Twitter.

00:46:16.140 You see the comments.

00:46:17.400 Come on.

00:46:17.800 Oh, I get the odd comment there myself, yes.

00:46:22.020 All right.

00:46:22.760 Well, that's all the time we've got

00:46:23.900 to solve the world's problems today.

00:46:26.080 So, Nigel, Dave, thank you very much

00:46:29.340 for indulging me today

00:46:30.980 as we delved into these issues this week.

00:46:33.540 Always a pleasure to indulge you, Corey.

00:46:35.000 Just glad my research was fruitful.

00:46:37.420 yes but you didn't have azerbaijan did you i did not have azerbaijan there in the details

00:46:42.300 but sorry there we go we'll we'll see what next week's climax is all about all right thanks

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The Pipeline： Mayor Gondek should resign

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