The Pipeline： Mayor Gondek should resign
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In this week's show, we take a look back at the past week in the world of climate change, and debate whether or not it's time to phase out fossil fuels altogether. We're joined by our Opinion Editor, Nigel Hannaford, Business and Energy Reporter Sean Polzer, and Managing Editor, Dave Naylor.
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Before we go there, I will turn to Sean in a moment, but I'll introduce the other ones joining us today.
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We're starting with here, Nigel Hannaford, our opinion editor.
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But anyway, we're looking forward to getting into it.
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Yeah, I was getting wound up and ranting myself a little bit earlier today.
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I'd just like to point out Nigel with his three pages, single type research, me a sticky note.
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Memory, and I've got an illegible scrawl on my notepad that I just write on to make it look like I'm doing something.
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The other person joining us today remotely, though, is Sean Polzer, our business and energy
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So I'll start with getting us to kind of run us through it.
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we're all impressed to see such luminaries go over there and discuss how to save us all from
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ourselves and that being cop 28 uh well uh what what did they resolve and what are the plans sean
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well i don't know if it's a climax or if it's anti-climactic uh you know it depends on your
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point of view um apparently it went into overtime and uh mr jibo was uh pronouncing from the dubai
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international airport where he was about to jet off and create his own emissions profile
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about the success of reaching an agreement that actually mentions the words fossil fuels
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for the very first time it's the first time that they've ever had a draft of any kind of
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an agreement or text and that includes ferris accord that actually mentions fossil fuels so he
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was pretty happy about it pretty tipper and taking a lot of credit but nobody really knows what it
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means it looks like he's gonna climax all over the canadian economy with this thing
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i mean they're actually mentioning phasing out you know outright bringing about to an end that's sort
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of a new conclusion or being a lot more overt with that intention this time around okay well it
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doesn't specifically say phase out what it says is uh kind of that just transition it's a it's a
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transition in a just and equitable way that supposedly doesn't penalize some of these
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smaller energy-poor countries, but it's not clear whether or not it actually penalizes big emitters
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and polluters like India and China. There's no indication that they're advancing on any of their
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timelines to reduce their emissions, which is 2060 and 2070, respectively, compared to 2050,
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for the rest of us mere mortals on the pantheon of the climate greats.
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So that sounds a bit like par for the course in a way, though.
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They talk about how they're going to save the world,
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but they don't really delve into the specifics too often with this
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because they don't want to really commit themselves to something.
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And, you know, one thing that you can guarantee is not going to happen,
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that the Chinese representative goes back to Beijing,
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well, guys, we're going to have to start doing things differently now, aren't we?
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You know, whatever they agree to, the Chinese have no intention of phasing out fossil fuels,
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especially not coal, and it's not as if they have the option of even buying Canadian natural gas
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So Mr. Gibbo is, like everybody else, he's entitled to have his little moment of glory there,
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but I think it's going to be a pretty short-lived moment because not much is going to happen out of
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this, except maybe in Canada, and we know what that looks like. Well, Dave, you've written
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enough stories on it over the years. I mean, part of it's feeling empowered, though. I mean,
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we know Gilbo has always wanted to come after him, and now he can say, well, look, I've got
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the world behind me, guys. This is so important. We need to intervene. Yeah, but he's kind of
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wrong cory i mean we it was almost getting to the point where his emissions cap we didn't know it
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was going to come out or not uh because he hadn't mentioned it and then uh talking to sean earlier
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he thinks orders came down from trudeau and it was announced late last week and he was able to
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prance around like a peacock and say we're doing this we're doing this well okay yeah canada is
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doing a lot but the rest of the world isn't uh germany's coal online you know they're looking
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it doing coal into the future. You know, countries signing long-term deals for natural gas, and
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sadly, it's not Alberta natural gas. So, it's the rest of the world going one way and Canada
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going the other. Well, so, Sean, I mean, as predictable as the usual suspects in their
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interpretations of what they got out of that meeting, what about the response from Premier
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Smith and the Environment Minister here? Kind of predictable as well, I guess, but
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I read this statement that came from the Premier's office this morning.
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Wow, it was a doozy, accusing Mr. Jebo of treachery and being an embarrassment and overstepping
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his bounds, his delusional and unconstitutional and illegal pronouncements.
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Oh, you're sitting in the world one little gesture at a time.
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I think the Premier and Minister Schultz are probably wearing red after they landed back down in town in Calgary,
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because, yeah, that was a pretty strongly worded statement, to say the least.
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You know, they were blindsided by the submissions cap.
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We were blindsided by it because it didn't look like Minister Jebola was even going to announce it.
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They presented him with an emissions cap, a ball cap that had emissions on it.
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And he told the person at the time that he wasn't sure that he was even going to be able to wear it at the conference.
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So not only did we get an emissions cap, but we also got a methane cap on cattle.
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But I mean, these things are more than just, I mean, it's laughable when you talk about Trudeau's plans to regulate our cow belches.
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He can't get out there and catch the flattest or burps from the cows himself, but he can certainly make eating beef more expensive.
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Yeah, and I think what we've done is we've reached a new low in Alberta relations with Ottawa.
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To use the word treachery to describe the actions of the federal minister and embarrassment on the world stage,
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Those are very, very strong, not very diplomatic words to use, Nigel.
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Nothing to, well, really nothing to lose at the moment.
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What Smith needs right now is Albert is 100% behind her.
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And there really isn't, I mean, Gibbo has not left any avenues of compromise.
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It's not like you said, well, if you do this, then we can do that, and we can work together.
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you either fight back or you knuckle under, and she's not going to knuckle under.
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Her supporters will demand that, and that's what they're going to get.
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So, Sean, aside from our politicians and everything, what have you heard from the business community?
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I know the Canadian Association of Patrolling Producers was pretty critical about the emissions caps.
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Have there been other business organizations or groups or sort of larger vocal companies speaking up yet on this?
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Nothing that could really be said in good company.
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These industry associations are usually quite careful with how they couch the statements that were made.
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And, you know, Mr. Jebol and also Energy Minister Wilkinson kind of seemed to imply that somehow that they were on board with some of these caps and there wasn't a cap on production.
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you know, it's a cap on emissions. Minister Wilkinson made a comment that it doesn't make
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much sense to shut in Canadian oil only to have it produced by countries with worse environmental
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and social records. But that's not what I was hearing. So in the polite statements,
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these groups were saying that, yes, this could definitely amount to an emission,
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to a production cut to meet these requirements. They weren't sure that it was necessary,
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well, they told me that they were on the record
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about the environment minister behind closed doors.
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you're being caught. Well, you see what I say when I'm off camera. Well, you do. Thank you for not
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quoting. I guess, Corey, the question is, how much damage can these people do in 22 months?
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Well, yeah, if we think we're getting rid of Prime Minister Trudeau, fine, but the investment chill
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that can be applied and the court challenges and just the general disruption is immeasurable.
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Trudeau made it clear again today that he is going to run in the next election,
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despite the fact he lost support from a couple of MPs over an issue we'll get to later on.
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So he shows no sign of reining himself in, and, you know, Gilbo is in lunatic mode.
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So I think the answer to your question is a lot.
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Well, there'll be lots for you to cover for a while, Sean.
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You know, if you've got anything more you'd like to let us know about this in closing
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before we let you get back at it so you can keep scribbling out those stories on the whole thing.
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Idle hands. Idle hands. Do the devil's work, Corey.
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Where's the next COP being held at, Sean? Do you know?
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You know what? I haven't even checked. So that's another thing that comes out of this is
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supposedly they draft this text and they need agreement among all the 200 members. The only
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The only one that abstained was Iran, because they left the conference early after the Israelis
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So they left in protest, so they weren't even around.
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But the idea is that everybody takes this piece of paper back home.
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They try to figure out what it means and what it means to them.
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And then they'll come back and make progress reports on it in the subsequent cops when
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So, Dave, what you missed on your four-line, on your little post-it note here, is the Azerbaijan is going to host COP29.
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Have a few energy aspirations themselves, do they not?
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Hey, Sean, do you feel like spending a couple weeks in Azerbaijan at the next conference?
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Oh, I couldn't think of a better way that I would really want to spend my time.
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sort of Vladivostok or something, you know, they don't seem to pick the smallest spots with the,
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they need better food and accommodations. Dubai might have been fun, but yeah, Azerbaijan,
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I'm not even sure what they have there. I'm thinking of you in the role of Borat, you know,
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in Azerbaijan, flying in on the old Super Connie, you know.
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Oh, well, we'll laugh for now until the policies come down and we will shiver and cry as winter
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hits and we can't afford the heating bills due to that skin flint of a bus we have here at the
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standard but we can always just put on a sweater i guess but all right i'll let you go sean uh
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thank you very much for bringing us up to date on this the latest climate conference i'm sure you
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got plenty more to write yet okay well thank you very much guys okay thanks and yes sean writes a
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appreciate it so yes you overlook preston manning and conrad true enough we've had some great you
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You know, guest columnist contributing of yes, again, you never know who's going to pop up there
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with some of the folks who fire in the odd piece.
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Well, Dave, actually, I don't want to give the game away, but I've got a dictionary for you.
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You know, one thing about it, I don't want to take us off topic, but he was surprisingly optimistic about the future.
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I was trying to make all the arguments of, oh, we're going to go to hell in a handbasket.
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I'm going to have to pull that out and present it separately.
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it was Calgary's Mayor Jody Gondek. It just won't seem to quite go away, actually. Dave,
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if you can kind of lay out for some of the people who might not have seen the stories on this
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already, what did her worship do to this? Her worship, yes. Late last week, she put out a
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lengthy statement saying she would not attend the menorah lighting ceremony down at Calgary's
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City Hall. Corey, as you know, this is a ceremony that's been going on for 30 years,
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But this year, Gondek said no, because she didn't want to pick sides, quote unquote, in the ongoing conflict between Hamas and Israel.
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She was offended that I think one of the lines on the invitation said, you know, in support of Israel.
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I mean, imagine that, Corey, a Jewish ceremony in support of Israel.
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The outrage was unbelievable, really, to a level rarely seen.
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And across the country, commentators were furious closer to home.
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I know you have written a column, and Nigel's written columns, and we've got letters.
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And over at the Calgary Herald, Dawn Braid even said she's a disgrace and has to go.
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And Rick Bell says she's a disgrace and has to go.
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So, you know, for a mayor that's been recording historic lows in the polling, I don't think this is going to help her much.
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You know, also, as she's trying to lay it down and do damage control, it just comes off as unconvincing.
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First of all, the first thing I read of her comments was that she said, well, I mean, all of a sudden it became political.
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Well, she's a politician, you know, where two or three people are gathered together, there will a politician be.
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And I don't know personally, but anecdotally, I hear that she's very good at getting out into small community groups and making her case and trying to win support.
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And then later it comes out, well, it looks like it's in support of Israel.
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So therefore, madam, are you saying you're not in support of Israel?
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Because you have to be on one side or the other.
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It's no good just saying a plague on both sides.
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And I think she's made it pretty clear that she does not stand with Israel.
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So I have to assume that she's taking her, she's carrying water for the people who jumped the border
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and started shooting and stabbing and raping and burning and beheading.
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beheading. And before the day was done, 1,200 people were slaughtered, not killed, slaughtered.
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You know what? I'm against that. I can stand with Israel on that.
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It is a right or wrong. You know, she was saying taking sides in a conflict that has no sides.
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What a load of complete crap. I'm sorry, but only one side crossed the border,
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murdered babies, raped women, and took hundreds of hostages. But I mean, you know, it's almost
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a digression, as outraged as we get, shouldn't let her pull us into that, because that's the trap,
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because this affair and this event wasn't about that. It was never about that. There was something
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that you can't have Hanukkah without mentioning Israel. Israel has been a part of the Jewish
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faith for thousands of years. It didn't come about in 1948, as some people might think or act as if,
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and she politicized it. And that's part of, I think, what outraged so many people, though,
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because they saw right through it when she went and blamed those sneaky Jews for turning this
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into a political event when it was supposed to be just an expression of faith. They never did
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anything of the sort, and nobody else could see that as well, and it's blown up in her own face,
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but she keeps doubling down. Yeah, she won't, you know, she says she won't apologize or admit she
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did wrong, and one of the things that concerned her was that they were raffling off Israel bonds,
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And as you know, Corey, this is a raffle that goes on every single year.
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It's a government of Israel bond, just like a government of Canada bond, that they raffle off for children.
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You know, maybe to start their own bank account or something like that.
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But it got turned around into, well, it must be war bonds to fund the war effort.
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It's just, you know, I think you said it on your show earlier today.
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I mean, who would have thought we'd be pining for the good old days of Nahid Nenshi?
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And the war bonds, just to explain, because some of the more loony followers of Gondek and others were trying to make that claim.
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So part of Hanukkah, I mean, it's one of the few, Jewish holidays are usually pretty morose affairs.
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It's usually the Jews coming out of one oppression or another or Passover and, you know, et cetera and things like that.
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But Hanukkah, at least, is one I think is kind of westernized a bit to have some fun with the kids,
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give out some money to the kids, things like that as well. I mean, it's another holiday
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talking about getting away from oppression again, and in that case with the Greeks, but
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part of it was you give out money to kids. And that's what this tradition was with the Israel
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bonds, was there's two of them for $100 each, and they'll do a raffle, they'll draw, because there's
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a whole bunch of kids there, and two of the children will get, whether it's presumably to
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save for their education or whatever, $100 bond each. She characterized that as a fundraiser,
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If they were selling the bonds there, never corrected herself, never corrected that misinterpretation of what this was.
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And again, I think that's what people found so odious.
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She just couldn't say, I made a mistake, and that wasn't what it was about.
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I think that people look weak when they change their minds.
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She must have been given some advice that, you know, look, you've stuck your foot in it now.
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You're not going to make any progress by pulling it out again.
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So if that's what you think, stick to it and look strong, you know.
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There was a mayoral predecessor who made a lot of mistakes, a guy named Ralph Klein.
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And, you know, he was quite good at admitting his mistakes and owning them.
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And in fact, people seem to have appreciated it.
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One thing her statement did was cause many more people to go down there
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You know, I think you said the heat from all the bodies was getting too much.
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They dragged poor Jane down there with me, and we stood and, you know, took it.
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And as I said, most people haven't gone to something like this.
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It's religious-based, of course, but it's like a Christmas tree lighting.
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There were children, you know, Jewish choirs singing, all sitting on the steps there off-key.
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And I went in person anyways, because I like to see things with my own eyes.
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I mean, if Rabbi Maudetov had been up there saying, flood the tunnels and bomb Gaza and things like that,
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There was never going to be anything of the sort.
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And it was not a rally as they tried to put it out as well.
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It's something that's been happening for 35 years.
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But, you know, Corey, there's two things that sort of come out of this.
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One is that we referred to Preston Manning just now, and what he recommended is in his column.
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and the other thing is the fallout in in ottawa with manning i would really suggest that one of
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the biggest problems as that we face as conservatives is that we're lazy we actually
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don't want much out of government other than to be left alone and that leaves the field clear to
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the activists and the people with outlandish points of view of which we seem to have a number
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the fruit of our apathy. It's the fruit of our apathy. The other good suggestion was why doesn't
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somebody on the current council, there's 14 others of them, bring forward a motion to say, you know,
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we're not all agreeing with the mayor. We want it out there that we're not all, you know, on the
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side of the terrorists, so to speak. Well, it seems more like the council's trying to run cover because
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they've turned into a giant issue. This has been the scandal of the century of way overshadowing
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Mayor Gondek's actions was Councillor Dan McLean apparently tuned into a council meeting from the
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golf course. With apparently other councillors also at the golf course, but he was the only one
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they complained about. Imagine that, eh? Yeah, but he did attend and speak at, actually, the
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menorah lighting, and I would think if any councillor would have brought forward somewhere
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with just some sort of censure or something with Mayor Gondek, it would have been
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McLean, but now he's busy playing damage control because he dared to.
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I mean, Gondek's just the head of a council of kooks.
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You know, I think maybe we should commend Mr. McLean for his commitment and his dedication,
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because even when he was out there playing golf, he still had the interests of the citizens of Calgary on his mind,
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It's ironic. Years of Parliament was dialing in through Zoom. I mean, the Liberal members were even pissing during the meetings and naked at times. Walking around naked. So, I mean, this is the standard today, is it not? A remote dial-in for your job is acceptable. At least, it's certainly not a giant scandal.
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But he's got to write a letter of apology to all of us.
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Well, I'll tell him, yeah. He should just tell him that he'll write a letter of apology for being on the golf course when she writes a letter of apology for the stupid position that she's taken on this.
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It really is. It's just been astounding. You know, and we've watched politics a long time. We can be pretty cynical at times and expect the least.
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But still, I mean, as an experienced player, she just she can't seem to read the room on this one.
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I mean, even you don't have to apologize, but go to ground, you know, just just be quiet about it.
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Then let it go. But she won't. She's showing up on radio.
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She's actually she's not one for going to the press that often.
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We've seen more of her in the last week, unfortunately, than we have in the last two months.
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Maybe she's just going to do a scorched earth policy because she knows deep down she's not running again already.
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I hope so, because as you said, too, it's our apathy, you know, that keeps getting these ones put in, which means you still have to watch not to replace Gondek with somebody worse.
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But it's hard to knock incumbents off electorally before the flakes start talking.
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I remember when we said we couldn't elect anybody worse than Nenshi.
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Well, and Nenshi was politically astute, whatever.
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And he must have attended a menorah lighting or two in his day.
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And he's, as far as I know, an observant Muslim.
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You know, there's where the sane politicians are.
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Canada has really made its mark at the U.N. Dave, what have you got going on?
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Yeah, it came out yesterday morning, Corey, that I think it was Australia, Canada, and New Zealand
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had brokered this deal where they were going to, you know, go plan for a ceasefire, ask for a ceasefire
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in Gaza. And it went to a vote at the United Nations, and it passed, 153 to nothing,
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with Canada supporting it, including, you know, such luminaries as Russia and Syria and the United
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States didn't vote, a whole bunch of countries, I think 26 countries abstained. So, but that,
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it caused outrage because, you know, I think right-minded people think that, you know, it's
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It's not Israel's, you know, it's Hamas caused this, right?
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If they want to get a ceasefire, then surrender, release all the hostages, lay down your arms.
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So Marc Cassino, the minister, what's the name again, sorry?
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He, within an hour, he was tweeting that he disagreed with Trudeau.
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and another liberal by the name of, what was it, Horsefeather, also disagreed.
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So it's, you know, the first time you're seeing an open tear a little bit in the liberal ranks.
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Melanie Jolie said, yeah, the Jews are going to be upset.
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No, no, no. Yeah, right. Yes, they are. I was going to say no shit, Sherlock, but I don't want to get bleeped. But yes, Jewish organizations are outraged. So, you know, on on Tuesday, Trudeau stood with hostages families and, and, you know, gave his support to the Israelis. And then the next day, he stabs them in the back at the UN.
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So it's interesting that, you know, there's all sorts of speculation that, you know, the Muslim population in Canada is now much greater than the Israeli population.
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And something that I've seen some others point out was Mendicino's constituency, 18% of the population there is Jewish, which is pretty high for any constituency in Canada, actually.
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So perhaps there's some political motive there.
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But Anthony, house father, is Jewish himself, and he's been very outspoken throughout this whole thing.
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But aside from Jewish people, I mean, the odiousness of this.
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I mean, Israel did cooperate in one ceasefire, and they did exchange, I mean, 150 terrorists they gave back to get, you know, a much smaller amount of their own citizens who'd been taken hostage.
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They looked to extend it, but Hamas refused to give any more hostages back, and then Hamas started launching rockets.
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Hamas broke the ceasefire. Yeah, but Israel catches the crap. And I think it's not just
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Jews, just Canadians in general are getting sick and tired of this victim blaming because that's
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what this is. In Trudeau's statement, Trudeau had a long conversation with Israeli Prime Minister
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Benjamin Netanyahu. When he came out and he spoke to the press corps there in Ottawa,
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And he said a lot of things, but among them was that Canada was committed to a two-state solution.
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Israel would be okay with a two-state solution, but Hamas is not.
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they want a single state with them being it and with every Jew expelled from that geographical
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area. They have been uncompromising on that. It's in the charter that governs Hamas. The
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destruction of this Zionist entity is the goal. And so Mr. Trudeau takes us for fools again
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by suggesting that there is a position that reasonable people could meet
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when, in fact, there isn't because we're not dealing with people who are reasonable
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I think he plays to a degree, unfortunately, on the Canadian ignorance of the Middle Eastern situation.
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It is a complicated mess over there. It always has been.
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But, I mean, if Israel wanted a one-state solution,
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they've got the military hardware to get rid of every Palestinian.
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It would have taken them a couple of days to truly, actually, all the things they're accused of.
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They could have carpet bombed, they could have indiscriminately have bombed,
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and they could have lobbed artillery over their own walls and never put a single soldier at risk and just wiped out the Palestinians.
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Likewise, people forget, Palestine, Gaza, they had their own state for 18 years.
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You want to find footage, they were taking Jewish settlers by force and pulling them out of there,
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saying we're giving it to these Gazans. Speaking of the disengagement in 2005, right? Yeah. And
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they got no credit for that. And how did the Gazans react? Well, they didn't build their
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economy. They didn't build their society. They dug tunnels. They collected rockets. They trained
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terrorists. And I'm sorry, but they got their own asses handed to them yet again because they
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insist on killing their neighbors. I'm getting tired of it. As are the neighbors. I note yesterday
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was, you know, the billionaire leaders of Hamas are headquartered in Qatar. They were told yesterday
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that Qatar couldn't guarantee their safety anymore because the Mossad, Benjamin Netanyahu said we are
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going to eliminate every single one of them. So they've apparently fled Qatar and turned their
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cell phones off. Rumors, maybe they're going to Algeria. But remember those terrorists who killed
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all the israelis in the 1972 olympics and one by one they were liquidated until they were all dead
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spend years looking at it spend years second only to cra i would not want the masada no a great book
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called vengeance if you want if you want to read about it but uh you know i have no doubt israel
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it may take years but israel will get them one by one they're gonna they have to i mean if israel
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didn't defend itself they would have been gone a long time ago how many times has this happened
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you know in 68 uh you know and then the infant it just never seems to stop and then they keep
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getting punished for defending themselves and the good thing is net yeah who couldn't give
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to anything about what justin trudeau or new zealand or some others want to tell him what to
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do or biden biden biden he'll forget within an hour whatever he said anyways but all the same
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I mean, they can make all the motions they like at the U.N.
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It's always been dominated by the terrorist states anyways.
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But this is actually a first time for Canada to have not taken the line that shows some support for Israel.
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This is actually a threshold that has been crossed, if you want to look at it in those terms.
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We've always kind of been, especially when Harper was in office.
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But, you know, even since 2015, when Trudeau came to power, up until this point, we have always said, well, Israel's got to do what Israel has got to do.
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And I have to wonder sometimes, what is the, what drives that way of thinking?
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It's obviously not sort of misplaced compassion.
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Is it, in fact, a recognition that the voting demographics are changing in certain key writings, which you mentioned?
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Or is this where the new immigrants are coming from?
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I mean, the biggest threat to Trudeau's re-election isn't so much Polyev, it's the NDP.
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And the NDP, many of their members are very strongly anti-Israel.
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So if Trudeau panders to them, perhaps he's feeling he can garner some of that far-left support
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I'm just speculating on the political benefits he might see.
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It's a vicious calumny that you've uttered against the NDP
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to say that they are in favor of people who murder and rape and burn.
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One needs only to look onto social media and see the statements from the union heads
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and the NDP typical members, even, I mean, to the point of Ontario throwing out one of their MPPs
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I guess we'll go on to another subject that's a little bit negative as well,
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but still not as dire or dark as the Israel situation.
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Maybe there's something we can do about it, but Canada's waiting lists,
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I mean, it's an ongoing story, but it's just getting worse.
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The annual report on wait lists done by the Fraser Institute was out yesterday.
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Just to see a general practitioner, or to go from your doctor to see a specialist right now,
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the average wait in Canada is 27.7 weeks, more than half a year.
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That is quadrupled since 1993, when it only took 9.3 weeks.
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Ontario has the shortest wait lists, 21.6 weeks.
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You need to see a specialist, you have to wait more than a year, 56.7 weeks.
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Imagine that, you know, having to live with something for more than a year.
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So obviously the wait lists are getting longer and longer and longer.
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The money spent on health care is getting more and more and more.
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Well, I think what we need to do is that if we, I mean, right now,
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i don't have any sense that i'm going to need a hip replacement but why don't i book my specialist
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appointment now in six months time maybe maybe it's maybe you will maybe i will need it you know
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there's a ways around these things you know here's the thing about the way the health system is
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organized in canada it's not it's not that it's peculiar to alberta or ontario or quebec or
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anywhere else in all cases the the hospital authorities are funded on a per capita basis
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if you serve an area with a million people whatever the per capita is you get a million of them and
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there's your budget and you've got to work within it now if nobody comes into the hospital it's no
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problem but every person who comes in represents a draw that has just come out of your budget
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and so if you get a lot of people coming in it is possible to go over your budget how do you
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handle that or you defer expenditures for as long as you can so you tell the chat don't send them
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over here they'll take it out of next year's budget now then is there another way to do it
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Well, yes there is. Supposing that hospitals, like supermarkets, were rewarded on the basis of customer choice.
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So, if you elect to go to hospital A, hospital A gets to put the shit in to the provincial government to get paid.
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The incentive then is for each individual hospital to promote itself
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It's rather like every other enterprise that we deal with,
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whether it's car dealers or supermarkets or opticians.
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you draw your traffic to yourself by your excellence and getting the job done.
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We should be in a situation where a hospital administrator, I'm going to be frivolous here,
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so all those people who are out there saying, he didn't really say that, did he?
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Now, I'm being frivolous, but look, you know, you should be in a position where the hospital
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administrator, somebody from their staff is down in the back paying off the cab drivers
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who have brought the latest case into their emergency.
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And that person is into emergency and into the system before they can say,
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you know, it is, we've got to change the incentives in the system.
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Well, and it's just the Canada Health Act that, I mean,
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that creates this monopoly situation and very hospital-centric.
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We need to look at these patients as actually assets,
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but ones that you compete for with good treatment.
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I mean, some of it, too, is if we have a fantastic orthopedic surgeon
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Why couldn't we have a few of them set up their teams and freestanding clinics that specialize in what they do
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and have those guys compete with each other and say, hey, yeah, there's Dr. Larry over there.
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He's pretty good, but, you know, I can get you in two weeks earlier.
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And, you know, here's my Google reviews to show that everybody's been all happy with the knee replacements I've done.
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Yeah, as Nigel said, there's too much power resting within the hospitals at the moment.
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To their credit, the UCP is trying to change that.
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They're taking the power away from the hospitals and giving it up, you know, different silos.
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So I think we're the first in Canada to try that.
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And, you know, other people, I can see if it works, jumping on board.
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Well, look, I'll give you an example of where it's actually happening, not in Canada.
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He went principally to do a speech to the Knesset,
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but we had some other business that took us to Jordan.
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and we're driving from one place to another in Amman.
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and he's pointing out all the private health facilities.
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and they are serving the entire Middle East and most of Europe.
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It's not like it's that Jordan has got an excellent medical school,
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People come in and they get fixed and they get fixed very quickly.
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And that always comes back to the argument that the people who don't want to reform the health system come up with.
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But, you know, we're in the business, if you can get the people, if you can move people through,
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you kind of make more room for the ones who are left behind, and even they get seen a little quicker.
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And I'm sure that if you are a Jordanian citizen, there is some advantage to the fact that you've got this center of excellence
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You know, flocking across the border, Canadians, Americans alike,
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to get expensive dental work done for a fraction of the price.
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Apparently you can pay for your hotel and your week stay
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and your airfares out of what you save over going locally.
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I'll give a direct example because that's what Jane and I did a couple of years ago.
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We were quoted at over $10,000 for the work here.
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Yeah, you cross that border and it is like that.
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There's guys handing out for this clinic or that.
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they'll try and sell you a sombrero or whatever,
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but when you get in there, it's clean, it's very well done.
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because they compete and they're medical professionals.
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I mean, that's part of it too, is we need the professionals.
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I don't know if a specialist is gonna feel valued
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when they can, there's American or European
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Our system is very rigid when it comes to that as well.
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Biggest mistake Rolf Klein ever made was Bill 11,
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she's got so many irons in the fire it's so much fury right now does she want i mean i'd love to
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see it but do you think she's going to want to poke into that hornet's nest because boy that's
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a big one she's going to do it she better do it within 12 months and then let the system play out
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showing what a great idea it was sooner rather than later you're going to start seeing some
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outcomes it was interesting with the i had tim moan a paramedic on my show last week and he
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talked about it with the uh smith mandating the end of hallway care and they've seen improvements
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i mean if somebody puts their foot down apparently there is room to move in that system but you've
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really got to have somebody willing to stand up to the status quo and stare them down and they've
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already moved removed a lot of senior vice presidents and uh no job is underway oh she
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certainly made it clear that she means business anyway so that's that's good i guess we'll see
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and we'll keep commenting on it and trying to encourage the government to go the right way if
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yes but you didn't have azerbaijan did you i did not have azerbaijan there in the details
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but sorry there we go we'll we'll see what next week's climax is all about all right thanks
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