Western Standard - The Pipeline： MLI calls Guilbeault policymaker of the year

00:00:00.000 Good evening, welcome to The Pipeline.

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00:01:34.500 I'll start on the end.

00:01:35.320 It's been a while since we've seen them here on the end seat there.

00:01:38.380 Our news editor, Dave Naylor.

00:01:40.380 How's it going, Dave?

00:01:41.000 Good.

00:01:41.320 Thrilled to be back with this weather.

00:01:43.440 I'm thinking it's going to be minus 36 in the morning.

00:01:46.300 Going to feel like minus 36.

00:01:48.060 Derek's off today, so I'm thinking of declaring the rest of the week work from home week.

00:01:53.480 All right, I would second that.

00:01:56.560 What a great idea.

00:01:57.700 Just be happy that we have indoor jobs anyway.

00:01:59.880 Yeah, that's true.

00:02:00.780 That is true.

00:02:01.740 There is that.

00:02:02.900 Okay, well, we'll see how that goes.

00:02:05.120 I'm sure he's probably not watching the show anyway.

00:02:07.780 And, of course, as we're always joined by opinion editor, Nigel Hannaford.

00:02:12.160 Hi, Nigel.

00:02:12.660 How are you doing?

00:02:13.360 Tanned, rested, and ready.

00:02:14.820 Oh, good.

00:02:15.460 Yeah, everybody's kind of had a break.

00:02:16.580 I'm escaping from mine pretty soon here.

00:02:19.100 Coward?

00:02:20.200 Yes. 0.57

00:02:21.100 Well, I don't know.

00:02:21.840 The drive he's got ahead of him, you know, maybe we should have a little more sympathy for him.

00:02:26.640 I don't know.

00:02:27.020 We'll see.

00:02:27.340 See, you know, normally when I drive, if I'm in a hurry, I'm looking at the kilometers ticking down to my destination.

00:02:32.120 But what I'll be looking at this time is the thermometer ticking up as I get southward.

00:02:36.600 So it'll motivate me to carry on despite the howls of my life.

00:02:40.780 Send us a postcard.

00:02:42.100 Yeah, will do.

00:02:43.600 All right.

00:02:43.960 Well, let's get on to some of the more pressing things, I guess.

00:02:48.120 This is kind of a deep subject, a big one.

00:02:49.820 It's been hitting the news a lot.

00:02:51.220 This video has gone out.

00:02:52.480 It's with a rebel media reporter.

00:02:55.020 David Menzies tried questioning Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland when she was walking

00:03:01.000 into an event, and he had quite an altercation with one of her security members.

00:03:06.480 It was an RCMP member, and he was pretty roughed up and charged with assaulting a police officer.

00:03:12.580 we'll play that video because there's so many people arguing about the context on social media

00:03:16.260 what happened well we'll let you watch the full video for yourselves so you can determine what

00:03:20.740 we're talking about and uh then we'll talk a little more about this so the freeland how come

00:03:25.420 the irdc is not a terrorist group why is your government supporting islamo now 0.99

00:03:31.560 me you're under arrest for assault police you're under arrest how am i under you bumped into me

00:03:48.280 you pushed into you but i was just scrubbing here i got my credentials here and you just

00:03:52.600 bump into me so please you're under what is your name in your bag

00:03:57.000 what is your name in your badge you've been told you're under arrest why am i under arrest

00:04:02.580 he brought my way

00:04:06.360 i was just swimming uh christian freeland i'm a police officer you're under arrest

00:04:13.040 what is your name in your badge you've been assaulting a police officer how is that possible

00:04:16.600 okay because you assaulted me three years ago when blackmail contracted

00:04:20.880 you mean i was asking questions aggressively no no your actions were you were almost pushing

00:04:28.500 everybody over lincoln you got this on video right he's saying i'm pushing people over

00:04:34.340 that's an absolute falsehood there were people so now it appeared that way that's what you're

00:04:39.540 saying officer that's what i saw i wasn't i didn't touch a single person that was a little

00:04:43.480 bit aggressive for what was happening get that you get it you're under arrest please take the

00:04:47.240 microphone out of my face. Well, I'd like an ongoing record of this. Can I have the microphone?

00:04:51.860 Can I have the microphone? Can I have the microphone? Can you give me a microphone?

00:04:56.760 Take your hand out. Why am I? Why am I? I'm just doing my mom. I'm resisting. You don't need to

00:05:04.000 resist. I don't have to say anything. You know the truth. I have nothing to hide, sir.

00:05:10.700 Welcome to Black Faces Canada. This is what they do to journalists. I was merely scrumming 1.00

00:05:17.040 minister freeland and a rcmp officer blocked me and evidently this is now a trumped up charge of

00:05:24.260 assault folks i didn't come here to cause any trouble i came here to do my job and now i'm

00:05:31.240 handcuffed this this is your candidate now folks you know this is the gestapo taking black faces 0.61

00:05:39.280 orders outrageous and meanwhile the islamic revolutionary guard corps is not a terrorist 0.86

00:05:47.280 organization is not a terrorist organization and these liberals have the audacity to show up at a

00:05:54.640 vigil for for a plane in which almost 200 people were killed 57 canadians one unborn child by the

00:06:02.400 way and look at this they don't want it is against the law in black faces canada to ask insensitive 0.76

00:06:10.000 questions impolite questions so a government canadian government that props up an islamo 1.00

00:06:18.080 fascist regime that's okay but if you ask questions about that uh that's not okay

00:06:25.520 this is an absolute outrage i didn't come here to cause trouble folks i just came here to ask

00:06:31.280 All right. So, I mean, that was pretty striking anyways. I mean, you know, we can get into a bit

00:06:47.280 of a, and I'd like to get into a little more about the discussion of who's a journalist,

00:06:50.400 who's not, cause it's really opened a whole bunch of discussions on this whole thing.

00:06:54.720 But I'll start with Dave.

00:06:56.060 I mean, I think anybody can agree that was probably, it was an overreach by the security officer and the police.

00:07:03.380 I mean, it really didn't seem to be justified for anything we could see in that video.

00:07:06.080 Oh, no doubt about it.

00:07:08.220 Look, Corey, I'm not a big fan of David Menzies and his antics.

00:07:13.620 You know, he's been arrested more times than I've had hot dinners.

00:07:16.380 But this RCMP officer completely out of line, completely provoked him and, you know, and caused the entire incident, roughed him up, took four cops to arrest him.

00:07:29.280 You know, at least Menzies had the good sense to keep talking during his arrest and got some good video.

00:07:35.860 And I'm sure his boss Ezra probably gave him a little bit of a bonus and videos being viewed more than 10 million times now.

00:07:43.400 And surely the rebels doing some top fundraising off it.

00:07:49.020 But yeah, clearly in the wrong.

00:07:51.440 And you could just tell Chrystia Freeland smirking away as she avoids a legitimate question about an Iranian group on the anniversary of the day when the Iranians shot down an airliner with a whole bunch of Canadians on it.

00:08:05.320 Yeah, well, and as a veteran of many arrests, Mr. Menzies composed himself fairly quickly.

00:08:10.980 But, you know, at first, one of the things, I mean, I've watched that video multiple times because I've seen the arguments and dispute.

00:08:15.060 The first part of it, you can see he was scared.

00:08:17.340 And who wouldn't be?

00:08:18.080 I mean, this is a big officer has you by the lapels and is slamming you against a wall.

00:08:23.640 Like he was playing clothes, right?

00:08:25.500 So instantly Menzies wouldn't have known it was a call. 0.68

00:08:29.140 And this is an act, I mean, of intimidation.

00:08:30.980 If you were another reporter, a small person, considering, you know, scrumming or going after public figures, this would have a pretty chilling effect, I think, Nigel.

00:08:38.900 You know, in seeing that, you might reconsider doing your job. 0.94

00:08:42.680 Well, I hope I wouldn't, but darn it all, I believe I would. 0.60

00:08:47.240 You know, you're absolutely right. 0.94

00:08:51.840 Part of that, I think, the look on Mr. Menzies' face was occasioned by the fact that he just plain didn't see it coming.

00:08:58.900 He was concentrating on the minister, and then from the cover of the lamppost out steps this tank,

00:09:06.140 bumps into him this is what i see when i look at the video bumps into him when he's looking the

00:09:12.360 other way well he was surprised apart from anything else so uh and and rightly so you know

00:09:20.760 uh there's a there's a lot of people and you made reference to this a moment ago

00:09:26.720 who have no sympathy with menzies because they don't like the rebel and they don't like what

00:09:33.720 the rebel does or stands for. Okay, we've said it. Now, does anybody deserve to get

00:09:45.600 bumped like that by the RCMP while they're in the act of trying to speak to a politician?

00:09:53.480 I say, no. We operate as journalists. We have no special journalist rights. We operate under the same right that every other Canadian citizen has of free speech, free expression, and the right to address a politician.

00:10:16.720 Now, there is a time and a place for everything, and you can expect that if you make your move

00:10:26.280 at the wrong time, you probably will be rebuffed, but not necessarily out of spite, merely out

00:10:33.180 of the fact that, well, we can't really talk right now, but it was noticeable.

00:10:37.460 I mean, we all know that they don't like the rebel.

00:10:39.960 They don't like us, but my word, they really don't like the rebel.

00:10:42.620 um can't even get recognized as a as a newspaper they don't get admitted to liberal party events

00:10:51.760 it goes on and on and on so there's clearly the rcmp knew who menzies was here comes the minister

00:10:57.940 menzies is going to make his move whether it was a misplaced act of gallantry or some more sinister

00:11:04.140 explanation that I that I hesitate to even speak about on the air what happened happened and it

00:11:12.920 shouldn't happen because that if you have been walking by or as a person who is not involved

00:11:19.300 with the media at any time see Minister Freeland and just mind who that is Minister Freeland when

00:11:26.120 are you going to recognize when are you going to condemn the IRGC you shouldn't expect to get

00:11:31.240 slammed against the wall by the RCMP. But you have as much right to ask that question as the

00:11:36.600 journalist has, we're operating under the same code. Absolutely. And I mean, again, that's why

00:11:43.580 it was so important to play this video, because I've seen a lot of apologists or people making

00:11:46.520 excuses. I mean, had Mr. Menzies been aggressively approaching, if he'd been sprinting towards her as

00:11:52.520 if he was going to make contact, or if he hadn't even been with a camera person, I mean, it would

00:11:56.700 be clear to anybody saying this is a person doing a report. If this was a run of the mill

00:12:02.480 civilian making a run at a minister, I expect the RCMP to get in and make a block and say,

00:12:08.740 excuse me. But even then, you know, you block them off, you don't grab them and slam. And again,

00:12:14.900 that absurd charge, which was dropped, you know, some hours later of assaulting a police officer.

00:12:21.960 I mean, really?

00:12:23.780 Obviously, the RCMP officer obviously made it up on the spot.

00:12:27.340 Okay, how can I get this guy out of the way?

00:12:29.600 Oh, he bumped into me.

00:12:30.880 That's assault.

00:12:32.380 You know, it's, and as you say, they took four hours before somebody came to their senses

00:12:36.920 and said, you know, we better let this guy go.

00:12:39.840 The process is the punishment by that point.

00:12:42.040 I mean, you've shaken a person up, you've scared them, you've locked them up.

00:12:45.680 And it's going to cost them a lot of money.

00:12:48.000 Because, you know, Ezra is going to unleash the lawyers and he's going to win.

00:12:51.280 he's got the case and he's got the video evidence. So it's just a matter of how much he'll settle

00:12:57.140 for. That's the other journalism school takeaway here is if you're going to talk to a liberal

00:13:02.680 cabinet minister, you better have a camera running while you're doing it. Well, if one of my reporters

00:13:07.840 saw Christopher Freeland walking down the street, first of all, they would think, my, she's not in

00:13:12.480 a limo. Isn't she always in a limo? And then I would expect them to go and engage and talk to

00:13:17.340 and try and get a story out of them.

00:13:19.380 And as you say, you know, what if it was a constituent, you know, on Freeland's writing

00:13:25.300 and has got a problem and, you know, barking dog or something like that and wants to complain?

00:13:30.120 Do they get tackled by RCMP?

00:13:34.020 Scary.

00:13:34.780 And we've got police as well where it's a tough job.

00:13:38.020 And, you know, they get questioned on a lot of arrests.

00:13:40.360 They get questioned in a lot of circumstances.

00:13:42.600 When we do see on video a clear example of an officer making up a charge against somebody, that adds to mistrust of police in general.

00:13:53.580 When people see that, you know, quite often when you hear some criminals say, I was falsely accused, this and that, people roll their eyes.

00:13:59.340 Well, you start to see more of this.

00:14:01.060 And you can't make this up in Canada.

00:14:02.860 You know, one day where cops delivering coffee to Hamas, protesters, and the next day they're busting reporters.

00:14:10.480 Like, what is going on with police in this country?

00:14:13.260 And there was many officers there, too.

00:14:15.820 I mean, if there was one officer going rogue and getting out of control,

00:14:18.520 I'm going to guess perhaps this gentleman was the senior officer on the scene.

00:14:21.780 I don't know.

00:14:22.900 But none of the others raised their hand and said,

00:14:25.540 maybe this is settled now, we can stop.

00:14:27.580 I mean, I think there's a pecking order in police services generally,

00:14:32.360 like the state troopers give way to the FBI.

00:14:35.480 And in Canada, somebody comes along from the prime minister's personal details

00:14:39.900 and seems to take control of the situation

00:14:41.740 because that's where this fellow is from.

00:14:45.140 The provincial police are going to say,

00:14:47.560 oh, I guess they've got it there, haven't they?

00:14:49.660 So we're not going to interfere.

00:14:51.740 And it looked like City of Toronto officers.

00:14:54.360 No, it was in Peterborough.

00:14:56.040 So whoever it was,

00:14:57.680 they are not going to call out their senior colleagues

00:15:01.420 and say, hey, look, we've got a problem here,

00:15:03.260 especially when they know it's being filmed.

00:15:05.340 They're going to keep their mouths closed

00:15:06.860 and maybe behind closed doors.

00:15:08.440 Even if they're right,

00:15:09.900 They're not going to say a thing.

00:15:11.500 They're not going to win that one.

00:15:14.680 So, I mean, and that goes further into some of the discussion I saw online.

00:15:18.900 And, of course, it's not always the most nuanced and bright discussion, but it's something a lot of people throw out when they're the tribalistic nature.

00:15:24.720 I like these media outlets.

00:15:25.860 I don't like those.

00:15:26.960 But when people keep throwing in and it annoys that crap out of me, journalist in quotes, reporter in quotes, or saying they're not real ones.

00:15:32.920 I mean, just to clarify, for one, there is no actual certification for who is or isn't a journalist in Canada.

00:15:41.000 It's a definition of a rule.

00:15:42.680 Long may that continue.

00:15:43.800 I certainly don't want the government saying, well, you're a journalist and you can do this and you're not a journalist, so go away.

00:15:48.860 Exactly.

00:15:49.400 I don't want to see that.

00:15:50.640 That would be shocking.

00:15:52.760 But it's a discussion worth having.

00:15:54.060 People better realize.

00:15:55.380 It's not up to you.

00:15:56.460 It's not up to the government.

00:15:57.020 So if anybody can define who is or isn't a journalist, you can say it's a bad journalist, an incredible journalist, a tasteless journalist, fine.

00:16:05.260 But they're still technically, if they're reporting on something, a journalist.

00:16:08.660 I mean, I had a conversation with Mr. Menzies yesterday, and he tells me that he spent three years at Ryerson University when it was called Ryerson, came out of there with a journalism degree.

00:16:21.500 even if there was a professional designation of journalists, I would hope that three years at

00:16:27.660 Ryerson would satisfy the critics, plus 25 years since working in the industry. I mean, like you

00:16:33.840 said, good journalist, bad journalist, journalist anyway. Yeah, you may not like their style or how

00:16:39.160 they go about being a journalist, but you can't argue who's a journalist and who's not. Well,

00:16:43.540 people try, and it's just frustrating. I mean, if we get into regulation, this was kind of

00:16:48.260 unexpected. It was something that came up earlier, and you've written on it, Nigel, with CRTC is

00:16:53.440 hinting at coming up with codes of conduct. I mean, that's quite a regulatory step towards

00:16:59.280 actually saying who's a journalist or who isn't, and what you're even allowed to do as a journalist

00:17:03.340 or not. That's kind of distressing. I mean, I, you know, honestly, Corey and David, we're not a

00:17:12.640 long-lived breed but I expect nevertheless to live to see the day that we have that kind of 1.00

00:17:20.000 licensing for journalists. I am told anecdotally that they already have it in Great Britain. I

00:17:26.680 find that hard to believe and I haven't checked it out but the person who told me had been at a

00:17:32.120 press conference where it's all right boys let's see your licenses and we go here we go again sort

00:17:37.460 of thing you know and he came to the Canadian he said well we don't actually have a license to be

00:17:41.600 Oh, don't you? Oh, okay. Well, fair enough. Carry on. Really? Is that how far things have fallen?

00:17:48.960 I relate it as an unattributed anecdote that I have not checked the truth on yet. I only heard

00:17:55.380 it very recently. But certainly there are many places in the world where you don't just get up

00:18:02.840 and start writing. You have to have permission. And Canada at the moment is not one of those

00:18:08.300 places and may that continue i just don't have a very happy expectation that it will

00:18:14.940 well anything the crtc does they mess it up yeah you know they couldn't organize their

00:18:19.180 booze up in a brewery but uh it is it is scary to think of you know the code is going to say

00:18:24.460 you must stay 10 10 feet back from any politician and you know it's uh i'm not sure it will get far

00:18:31.340 peace david i don't know i mean the only thing i can think of that would be worse than an

00:18:35.740 inefficient crtc was an efficient crtc yes yes good point you know maybe maybe we should just

00:18:43.420 hope for at least a little incompetence in the administration of this should it ever come about

00:18:48.540 well their middle name is incompetence so i'm sure it'll be there it'll be the one thing they

00:18:53.180 get right you mark my words well and i just always like to remind folks in situations like this when

00:18:57.820 you're talking about empowering a government further and even if you like the current government

00:19:02.940 just remember it's not always going to be a government you like and if you've empowered

00:19:07.420 them to step on those sorts of rights when the government comes in that you don't like

00:19:12.300 the journalists that you enjoyed before suddenly might find themselves being shut out from

00:19:17.020 communications or the ability to report and everybody again has done a disservice all over

00:19:22.780 again well nigel you worked in the pmo with harper for for 10 years now that was a guy journalists 0.74

00:19:28.780 hated. Journalists did not like Harper, but he wasn't blacklisting anybody or sending his RCMP

00:19:34.700 thugs to arrest anybody, was he? No, he did not. And I actually, I was thinking about this very

00:19:42.460 thing and wondering whether something had changed in the years since I was voted out of office,

00:19:49.660 so to speak. I was, for the benefit of those who don't know the Hannaford story, I was a staffer,

00:19:55.500 I wasn't an elected person, but I was looking after the Prime Minister's speeches for about six years.

00:20:02.260 And in all of that six years, I had the opportunity to hang out, I guess you would say,

00:20:10.300 with a lot of these RCMP officers, because they were the only people on a trip who were close to my age.

00:20:15.180 And, you know, it's either that or join the young staffers while they sit there on their phones, you know,

00:20:21.340 and sort of trying to hit on each other. That's what they would do.

00:20:24.440 Anyway, so I ended up gracious enough to make room at the table for me, and a pretty good bunch of guys.

00:20:32.480 And the men that I and a couple of women who were on the PMPD, who I knew between 2009 and 2015,

00:20:42.660 I would not expect this kind of thing from any of them.

00:20:47.640 There was not one that I thought, well, you know, good job he's on our side, but he is a bit of a thug, you know.

00:20:54.020 No, there was none of that.

00:20:56.340 This took me completely by surprise.

00:20:58.820 So they're getting their marching orders from somewhere, aren't they?

00:21:02.880 That's a conspiracy theory, Dave.

00:21:06.100 Perhaps.

00:21:06.700 So just that attitude, though,

00:21:07.860 thinking that it's within their rights to do that,

00:21:10.380 and you've got to wonder where that's come.

00:21:12.300 Again, it might be a rogue one, but we've seen a lot of...

00:21:14.740 I mean, Prime Ministers chafe at media often.

00:21:17.580 Mr. Polyev, if he becomes the Prime Minister,

00:21:20.680 I suspect it's going to be a prickly relationship,

00:21:22.940 but I haven't seen indications that he wants them muscled out.

00:21:25.440 He'll just munch an apple and ignore them, which drives people wild.

00:21:29.620 Some people might say it's an inappropriate thing, too.

00:21:31.280 That's fine, but it's better than sending the thugs after them.

00:21:35.720 That's for sure.

00:21:36.900 Mind you, I mean, we have another.

00:21:39.180 People probably forget about this, but it must be about 25, 26 years ago.

00:21:43.000 But one day, Mr. Chrétien was irritated by somebody who was being abusive.

00:21:48.260 Yes, the Schoenigan handshake.

00:21:50.000 That was, I guess that guy probably didn't do that again.

00:21:56.060 No, probably not.

00:21:57.060 You know, that was one of the few times I sort of applauded Prime Minister Chrétien.

00:22:00.640 I mean, it was an inappropriate case.

00:22:02.440 This was a person coming out of nowhere, approaching a prime minister.

00:22:06.340 He'd gotten past security and within arm's reach of Prime Minister Chrétien.

00:22:10.620 Younger people might not know or remember. 0.58

00:22:12.080 If you Google the image, you'll see he grabbed hold of him by the neck and he muzzled him aside.

00:22:17.100 It was great.

00:22:17.740 That's one case where the Prime Minister's personal detail was there for the protection of the crowd.

00:22:24.740 From the Sherwinigan back streets.

00:22:29.740 Don't forget the Inuit sculpture to the head. Remember when the guy broke in? 1.00

00:22:35.740 Oh, his wife Eileen.

00:22:37.740 Yeah, his wife clubbed the guy with Inuit sculpture.

00:22:40.740 I don't know. You say you didn't used to care much for Mr. Kretzian, and I guess I would say the same, but I'm sure missing him now.

00:22:49.380 Absolutely. I mean, he was still, even if he didn't like him, he was respectable.

00:22:52.760 Yeah, you've got to have a liberal prime minister.

00:22:55.080 He was smart, and he had a degree of dignity. His treatment of the West, again, is as typical of liberals, drove me bananas.

00:23:01.800 But I wasn't cringing in fear whenever he'd go overseas representing the country versus today when, I just wish Trudeau would extend his vacations year-round, to be honest,

00:23:10.500 because he just can't seem to get through one

00:23:11.980 without a problem.

00:23:14.180 You should check it out with Mr. Biden.

00:23:16.040 Apparently, Mr. Biden knows some good spots

00:23:18.240 and spends a lot of time there.

00:23:20.700 That's a different show.

00:23:21.840 World Revolution together.

00:23:23.480 Yeah, they're sitting with those tropical islands.

00:23:26.220 God.

00:23:27.400 All right, well, let's move on.

00:23:30.340 Only crossing the line.

00:23:31.220 It's usually that's my job in here.

00:23:32.760 Well, approaching the line.

00:23:34.740 Whatever line that might be.

00:23:36.680 Let's talk about a policymaker

00:23:38.500 who seems to have won an award.

00:23:40.500 a liberal policymaker one of trudeau's uh top ministers uh dave uh yes this is a well-deserved

00:23:48.900 award cory uh from the uh mcdonald laurier institute a think tank they have named gilbo

00:23:54.820 policymaker of the year uh for basically doing uh everything that he can to destroy the economy

00:24:01.940 from straws to plastics registries to electricity regulations to clean fuel

00:24:07.540 environments. He has done more to screw up the Canadian economy than anybody else,

00:24:13.220 and the McDonnell-Laurie Institute gave him this award, and I'm sure he proudly accepted it.

00:24:20.040 He's got quite a generous amount of contenders for economic dingbats over the years.

00:24:25.600 They said nobody came close to him in this current batch of Liberal cabinet ministers.

00:24:31.180 They put it beautifully, Dave. They said, this is intended as criticism, but I expect you'll boo.

00:24:37.540 would be pleased with the acknowledgement. Yes, I'm sure he would. Maybe he'll accept it wearing

00:24:45.540 his orange jumpsuit from his old days. I mean, the thing with, there's actually an excellent

00:24:55.380 analysis. This isn't just like an organization putting up its new year's credits or anything

00:25:02.180 like that. It's not like the Taxpayers Federation and their teddies, even the McDonald-Lorean

00:25:05.380 institute actually does a lot of nuanced uh policy discussion and i think the ctf would say that it

00:25:10.260 did too but uh you know i'm not knocking them i love them as well yeah but look uh there's a

00:25:17.780 three-page article in their in their january report and they actually lay out four things

00:25:24.980 that they put to mr gilbo's account which any one of us who live here work here try to make a living

00:25:32.820 here uh so yeah that's exactly what's what's going wrong so the you know the the first one of course

00:25:39.460 is the carbon pricing scheme the second one is the clean fuel regulations and clean fuel regulations

00:25:45.700 does not mean clean in the sense that you normally use the word clean it means uh fuel which has not

00:25:54.340 burned other fuel to produce so if you're pumping heat into a sag-d set up in fort mcmurray well

00:26:01.860 Well, that's burning fuel.

00:26:04.180 The less fuel you burn, the cleaner the fuel that you ultimately produce.

00:26:08.620 I mean, it's economically efficient to a degree,

00:26:12.020 but when the requirement takes you past the point of an economic return,

00:26:16.900 then it's serious and damaging.

00:26:19.120 So carbon pricing, clean fuel rigs,

00:26:23.860 and it's interesting that just as they make this point in this document

00:26:30.540 that even as they are asking producers to produce cleaner fuel,

00:26:35.860 they are, by other regulations, destroying the market for that fuel

00:26:41.460 by announcing that by 2035 you won't be able to buy a gasoline-powered car

00:26:49.100 to put your clean fuel into.

00:26:50.980 So they're hitting both sides.

00:26:55.900 And, you know, you go through the whole thing here,

00:26:59.360 And it is so obvious that the minister has been given a blank check.

00:27:09.800 Go do it. Do whatever you can.

00:27:12.860 We're going to save the earth? No.

00:27:15.260 But we're certainly going to screw the West.

00:27:17.900 And that's a good thing.

00:27:18.920 Because there's just that kind of disaffection for anything to do with Alberta,

00:27:24.360 anything to do with Western Canada, which we have, we don't have to assume it.

00:27:31.540 We don't have to conjecture that it must be so because of the actions, which is one way of looking at it.

00:27:37.360 We can just go back over the prime minister's past comments, both when he was in office

00:27:43.060 and when he was just another backbench MP.

00:27:47.220 These things like, problem with Canada, there's too many Albertans running it. 0.99

00:27:50.540 You know, that was during the Harper years, obviously, but I mean, there's a long list of these comments that he's made.

00:27:56.120 He clearly doesn't like this part of the country and the values that it has.

00:28:01.160 So, I mean, is it sloth on the part of the prime minister just saying, you know, here, I'm going to give it to this crazed ideologue?

00:28:07.520 And that's what he is.

00:28:08.540 I mean, as you mentioned, the picture of him with his manic eyes and that grin in an orange jumpsuit while he's being led away in chains.

00:28:14.980 Like, this is a guy who climbed on the roof of Premier Ralph Klein's house to protest in the past.

00:28:21.660 He crossed all sorts of lines.

00:28:22.720 Now he's one of the most powerful people in the country.

00:28:25.040 Does Trudeau agree with this ideological agenda of Gilbo, or does he just not care?

00:28:29.920 He's not paying attention, just saying, go for it.

00:28:31.380 Well, I think he's sitting on the beach in Jamaica and basically saying to Gilbo, go for it, 0.99

00:28:37.260 because I think this is what he wants his legacy to be.

00:28:39.540 Yes.

00:28:39.760 You know, when people look back in 30 years, he's going to say, well, I started the Green Revolution in Canada, and we ended up saving the world.

00:28:47.840 You know, despite the fact Poliev, when he gets in, is going to change everything back to normal, hopefully.

00:28:53.380 I think it's his legacy plan.

00:28:58.240 Well, it is his legacy plan, and he's been very faithful to it over a long period of time.

00:29:02.920 back when Gerald Butts was actually in the prime minister's office and in the years leading up to

00:29:09.480 when he had to leave the there was a there was a public occasion I think it might have been in

00:29:16.680 it was in Ontario somewhere a small town meeting and he said well we've got to phase out the oil

00:29:20.920 sands you know now sometimes when people make these kinds of statements you think well that's 0.96

00:29:28.680 That's ridiculous.

00:29:29.680 Nobody's going to phase out the oil sands, it's making too much money, it's carrying 0.93

00:29:32.900 the country, it's this, this, this, and this, and you just write him off as a flake.

00:29:39.140 Then he was challenged on it.

00:29:40.440 He came back a little later and said, well, I kind of maybe overstated my case, something

00:29:45.140 like that.

00:29:46.860 But actually, you're right.

00:29:49.640 This is a long-standing goal and it's taken them 10 years and they are getting there.

00:29:56.520 if we don't have a change of policy, which I think is going to require a change of government,

00:30:03.640 they may end up achieving their ends. Well, that's it. I mean, as the headlining

00:30:08.440 on the standard said, ruthless, reckless, and damaging. Like he is just a wrecking ball coming

00:30:12.920 in there. I mean, the courts have tried to rein him in. There's been a couple of

00:30:15.960 pretty landmark rulings saying, you guys have overstepped the constitution. Your

00:30:20.760 plans, your regulations are going too far. You're going outside of your jurisdiction. In both cases,

00:30:26.120 they're just kind of like well yeah he doesn't seem to care you know we'll take another look at

00:30:30.820 the rules and maybe we're ready you know and uh it's going to be interesting 2024 what the

00:30:36.020 relationship is with Gilbo and Premier Smith of Alberta she's called for him to be fired and

00:30:42.280 removed uh which obviously is not going to happen because Trudeau would have done that a long time

00:30:47.760 ago if he thought he was uh not the right guy so you know when you've when you've called for

00:30:52.640 somebody to be fired it's not a good way to go into a negotiation session is it sorry there's

00:30:59.360 one other thing that's in this article that i think is worth repeating because one doesn't like to

00:31:04.000 sort of conclude on a on a note of despair and the author i don't know her personally but i

00:31:11.120 have had some dealings with heather exner pedo and she just says it is often said that if you

00:31:16.880 you want to go fast, go alone. But if you want to go far, go together. And she makes the point

00:31:22.880 that Gilbo is very far ahead from industry and the provinces. He's out there on his own.

00:31:31.920 And in fact, most Canadians are trailing in the dust somewhere, and certainly the provinces are,

00:31:39.320 as you were just saying. He is alienating voters. This is what she writes. He is alienating voters

00:31:46.640 who are concerned more about affordability and housing.

00:31:52.220 They've got an election within 21 months.

00:31:58.140 I don't know what they're going to do to get around this,

00:32:00.660 but at the moment, he is a serious drag

00:32:04.720 on the election chances of the Liberals in 2025.

00:32:09.580 And the thing he's doing right now is probably...

00:32:12.420 What he's probably doing right now

00:32:13.600 is getting his resume ready for a job at the UN.

00:32:16.080 Oh, yeah.

00:32:16.380 Right, because if you're an environmental WACO, there's your place to go for employment.

00:32:20.960 Yeah, seeking a reference from Mr. Schwab.

00:32:23.760 Yes, no doubt.

00:32:24.660 And part of the problem, and that's what they're listing, is the damage he's doing, and that will hang over.

00:32:28.720 Even if Trudeau suddenly said, you know what, I've had enough of this guy.

00:32:32.160 I've got to refocus if I've got any hope in being reelected.

00:32:36.360 The chill he's put on investment, as you said, it's a long game.

00:32:40.040 Who in their right mind would invest in a gas generating facility in Alberta when they're talking about capping you off on that in a few years?

00:32:47.920 Who's going to invest in an auto dealership or, you know, any number of things when you know that these guys have already, I mean, the damage is done.

00:32:57.540 I mean, we can undo some of it, but it's going to hang over.

00:33:00.120 Well, you know, Corey, who would you even want to invest in manufacturing electric vehicles

00:33:09.000 if you can't be sure that people are going to, A, want to buy them, and B, if there's nothing else

00:33:14.420 left to buy and they have to, that they'll be able to plug them in and charge them up. Because right

00:33:19.540 now, that is not by any means a certain thing. No, our grid, there's a lot of big question marks

00:33:25.780 So he's well out past any rational people with his policies, and we've got this mess.

00:33:31.680 I just came back from Vancouver, and I'll let you know, every second car seems to be a Tesla.

00:33:35.640 Yeah, really?

00:33:36.360 They're all over the place.

00:33:37.700 Well, when's the last time I went to minus 30 in Vancouver?

00:33:39.720 Yeah, exactly.

00:33:43.380 Well, we'll see.

00:33:45.560 Interesting to keep watching that crazed man.

00:33:47.940 I mean, I got sent running out, I don't know if you remember, to take pictures of him when he came across the Hall of Fame with Premier Kenny, actually.

00:33:54.480 and he got out with his entourage from a minivan from the airport parked and idling over off to

00:34:01.180 the side that he was warm while he was having his meetings for him. I was frozen because they kept

00:34:05.360 running me in circles trying to find him, Derek phoning me and texting me and so on, but

00:34:08.740 he's a character, quite indifferent he seemed to me anyway, so at least I didn't get arrested or

00:34:14.480 beaten up for my troubles. You obviously weren't trying hard enough, were you? I guess I needed a

00:34:19.860 rebel mike they didn't know what this western standard thing was all right well armed and

00:34:26.440 freezing we've got you know the weather's changing and it's going to make i mean a problem that's

00:34:32.360 been building for a while now is going to hit critical level really fast what's going on dave

00:34:36.680 yeah as i mentioned earlier we're going to be minus 36 like it feels like in the morning

00:34:41.480 um they've had some major problems in edmonton with homeless homeless camps and they shut one

00:34:47.680 down and they gave the media sort of a behind scenes look and they called him in and on a table

00:34:53.200 there were all sorts of weapons laid out from from firearms to machetes to brass knuckles

00:34:59.360 and they showed a really what was called a horrific film of what what happens in these tents

00:35:04.400 and you could see one guy trying to light a propane tank to get some heat coming off it and

00:35:10.000 he blows off his hand he eventually dies uh from his injuries and other people die in fires because

00:35:17.520 are too intoxicated to to save themselves and it's it's it's a real mess uh and

00:35:26.640 this week the government announced in alberta opening up another 150 emergency shelter spaces

00:35:33.040 in edmonton so you know what if people want to go there's room for them uh but a lot of these the

00:35:41.520 homeless don't want to go they don't like the shelters it's dangerous for them they can't do

00:35:46.240 their drugs uh in the shelters a lot of them are also mentally ill um so yeah it's it's a tough

00:35:53.920 job for all the social workers and the police officers and it's it's not just edmonton it's

00:35:58.960 calgary it's basically every major city in canada now has homeless camera almost camps uh set up in

00:36:07.280 them so major problem this is the first cold wave of the winter and let's hope everybody makes it

00:36:12.480 it through. These cities are in a rock and a hard place. I mean, if they don't enforce, if they don't

00:36:17.680 take down these tents, we know how the activists will react when the fires happen, not if and when

00:36:23.880 the people are, you know, overdose or intoxicated to the point where they freeze to death and not

00:36:28.620 realize it. The city and authorities will get the blame for not having gone in there. But right now,

00:36:34.680 of course, they're getting the blame and being called heartless for going in and tearing down.

00:36:38.060 Like, is there ever going to be an acceptable answer to this?

00:36:41.820 Actually, as Dave was speaking, I was just thinking, if you had all the money and all the power in the world, what would a solution be that could work?

00:36:50.680 I could not think of one that does not require the active participation of the person that you're trying to help.

00:36:59.660 That is the challenge.

00:37:01.880 I remember an article that you wrote, Corey, probably three or four months ago, in which you mentioned the dilemma posed by encountering a person passed out on, I think it was on a park bench, laying there in stark misery.

00:37:20.460 and is it the right thing to walk on by

00:37:25.980 or should you intervene?

00:37:30.160 And there are people saying, I'll just leave them alone.

00:37:33.220 And yet that seems the cruelest outcome

00:37:36.480 to just leave somebody in misery.

00:37:40.020 And yet, if you take care of them today,

00:37:44.960 you will find them there again tomorrow.

00:37:47.660 so what exactly is

00:37:50.060 it is an incredible dilemma

00:37:52.140 because I think in this city

00:37:53.820 and I bet it's the same in Edmonton

00:37:56.000 this is not a Calgary Edmonton thing

00:37:58.240 there is enormous reservoir

00:38:00.400 of goodwill

00:38:02.400 of people who

00:38:04.400 want to help other people

00:38:06.380 the homeless center down there at the end of

00:38:10.400 4th Avenue was built

00:38:12.220 on the basis of private

00:38:14.320 donations mostly

00:38:16.300 I have to say, from the oil patch.

00:38:19.380 I remember, you know, back in the Calgary Herald editorial board,

00:38:23.320 these guys coming in and talking about how they were,

00:38:26.280 this is what we need to do, and it's going to be like this,

00:38:28.240 and it's going to be like that,

00:38:29.400 and we're really going to make a difference,

00:38:30.940 and there's a thousand homeless people,

00:38:32.480 and there will be a thousand less by the time we've finished.

00:38:35.920 Well, good, how do you not support that?

00:38:38.120 We did, we supported it wholeheartedly, but, you know,

00:38:41.580 it hasn't worked out that way.

00:38:44.160 to me you have to you have to spend real money in the mental health area and i think it's been

00:38:50.600 criminally underfunded forever in canada and that's what these people need the most is some

00:38:56.160 mental mental health get their mental well-being that addictions treatment and the two are tied

00:39:01.060 closely together i i mean a person who's addicted often has underlying mental health issues and it

00:39:05.820 takes the same sort of treatment to try and get them functional or safe again but that's the

00:39:10.880 elephant in the room. A lot of people just still refuse to discuss when it comes to the homelessness

00:39:15.960 encampments. They start running out, well, what about the single mom with three kids or the person

00:39:19.840 who got displaced because his job got laid off? That's not who's in those camps. Quit pretending

00:39:24.340 it is. They're at the shelters. They're availing the services that are there and they should.

00:39:29.560 The ones in the camps typically, most of them are addicted. They're often dangerous. It's something

00:39:35.540 else, you know, people don't like talking about, but there's truth in this. We're seeing with the

00:39:38.700 weapons in Calgary. It was firearms, not just pellet guns and machetes and samurai swords.

00:39:43.540 And they're often very addicted. You can't put, how can you put with a single mom and three kids, 0.99

00:39:48.560 the guy who's gone psychotic on methamphetamines in the same room? You can't do that. It's not

00:39:53.500 an appropriate place for them. We need to talk about warehousing them somewhere. Nobody wants

00:39:58.500 to say it, but I don't see any other. You look at a case in Calgary before Christmas,

00:40:04.680 uh three homeless guys it was in an outskirts neighborhood i think it was country hall so they

00:40:10.540 obviously took the lrt to get there they broke into one of the the um cabins not cabins uh garden

00:40:17.220 at the home depot and they they went in there to get out of the cold and uh set a fire and all

00:40:24.860 three of them ended up burning to death so it's you know it's not just an encampment down here

00:40:29.800 at this far reaches of this every city that's going to have to deal with it you know if you

00:40:35.400 think about where when this started you start to see a suggestion of the only answer this started

00:40:44.600 when our attitude to keeping people in mental institutions changed the deinstitutionalization

00:40:53.000 everybody was going to go out and look i mean well intentions there was well intentioned everybody

00:40:59.080 was going to go out into a halfway house become part of the community they'd be supervised they 0.96

00:41:04.280 would take their meds and you know this this sort of grim victorian institution would be no longer

00:41:11.480 necessary well unfortunately it didn't work out just as the optimists hoped it has been in fact

00:41:19.800 worse than the pessimists predicted yes and uh again people aren't ready to face that reality

00:41:26.760 when i'm talking about warehousing actually i'm kind of talking about just the immediate thing

00:41:29.720 like we got people who are going to freeze to death we we need to do something it's going to

00:41:33.160 hit minus 40 they're intense they're impaired we can't stick them in conventional centers

00:41:38.360 what the heck do we do with them i mean i'm just saying an emergency shelter a true one a heated

00:41:43.480 spot with concrete floors that we can just get them into to mitigate the immediate damage longer

00:41:48.360 term yeah we need specialized treatment facilities for mental health long term uh i've written on

00:41:54.280 on that at length, you know, it's always been a thing with the deinstitutionalization. I mean,

00:41:57.340 it was quite a trend. Those were first, the middle institutions were all built in the Victorian

00:42:01.460 times. It was supposed to be merciful for people who were in horrible conditions. Unfortunately,

00:42:06.220 they turned into warehouses to dump people and forget about them. Thorazine gave them a way to

00:42:10.900 say, Oh, look at that. We can medicate these people and they're perfectly fine. Yes. Seemed

00:42:16.240 like this Edmonton camp was basically organized crime. They had a chop shop set up in a tent

00:42:21.760 for bicycles they would bring in a stolen bike they would put a you know some new idea on it

00:42:28.100 get it out again sell it and get their drugs out of it so and with all the weapons and and

00:42:33.480 that's in there the the hardcore hardcore homeless what i'm talking about they rely on crime to pay

00:42:42.900 for their drugs and the denialism from people and i won't mention which radio show i drive a lot and

00:42:47.740 I listened to talk radio and there was a host at Edmonton who spoke of that very bicycle chop shop.

00:42:53.320 And a caller had said, he's chopping up stolen bicycles.

00:42:56.080 And the host got very upset, cut off the caller and said, that's unfair.

00:43:00.340 We don't know if those bicycles were stolen.

00:43:02.360 He could be repurposing abandoned bicycles.

00:43:05.500 What sort of BS, naivety, sidetracking?

00:43:09.160 I mean, you see my veins starting to pulse.

00:43:10.580 I was screaming at my car radio at the time.

00:43:13.300 How are we going to solve the problem if you're not going to face the reality?

00:43:16.740 right you know and if you're going to try and divert people away from what reality

00:43:20.420 dave do you have any like that was an astonishing array of weapons i mean i wouldn't have been a

00:43:25.380 surprise to see a few that seems fairly normal but when you look at the pictures yeah what were

00:43:31.700 they preparing for it's incredible armageddon and the same thing happened in calgary too as

00:43:36.340 cory said earlier they recovered a whole mess of weapons uh you know i'm sure some of it is just

00:43:41.140 for self-protection because there's a lot of it's a rough world they're in right and they're they're

00:43:46.260 often the victim of crime themselves perpetrated by other homeless people. So yeah, I mean,

00:43:53.220 it's not a tent city, it's an armed encampment is what it is.

00:43:58.740 Well, I'm getting back to, I mean, I went last summer and I took those pictures last fall when

00:44:02.820 the police dismantled that one off of Deerfoot, for people who don't know Calgary, there was a

00:44:05.940 big bushed area, multiple times they cleaned out sort of long-term entrenched encampments in there.

00:44:12.240 And the waste I saw, I mean, we published a bunch of pictures of it.

00:44:15.400 Hundreds, hundreds of propane tanks, truckload after truckload after truckload of garbage.

00:44:21.020 And they burned about half an acre because of a fire that got out of control.

00:44:24.420 And, of course, there were old syringes and pipes and all sorts of things.

00:44:27.460 There were drug paraphernalia.

00:44:29.780 This isn't harmless.

00:44:31.140 That's what people, you know, you can't turn your back and let these people settle in in a spot like that.

00:44:36.260 They got all of those materials because they'd been spreading out and robbing the industrial area nearby.

00:44:41.380 businesses trying to function coming in the morning and their gates have been cut and

00:44:46.020 metals have been stolen like just we don't like the reality i bet your weeks pay i bet you a

00:44:52.820 week's pay they're back probably probably it's an isolated spot to watch yeah i mean it's and it's

00:44:59.380 you know it's a tough tough crowd to police too right i mean when you think of regular organized

00:45:04.580 crime you think of you know some people in suits and hell's angels which you can uh investigate

00:45:09.860 and perhaps infiltrate and wiretap

00:45:11.960 and do all that sort of good police work.

00:45:14.180 But you can't do that with these guys, can't you?

00:45:16.060 No.

00:45:16.920 And it's a valid question when people ask.

00:45:18.780 When you say, dismantle that camp, dismantle that camp.

00:45:20.920 And people say, well, where are you going to put them?

00:45:22.980 It's a fair question.

00:45:25.040 Because, I mean, when press interviews the dentists

00:45:27.940 at these camp, usually they say, well,

00:45:29.160 I'm going to go set up my tent down the road a half a mile.

00:45:31.900 And then they'll kick me out of there

00:45:33.020 and I'll sit it up over there.

00:45:34.640 And I don't have an easy answer.

00:45:37.000 Nobody does.

00:45:37.560 That's the hard part with this issue.

00:45:38.900 Exactly.

00:45:39.260 But they do have to go somewhere because they're going to die.

00:45:43.800 I guess, you know, I like to, when I talk about this subject, I talk about it a lot.

00:45:47.120 And people will accuse me, you're heartless and you're cold.

00:45:49.740 No, I'm never for a second forgetting that those people in those camps are somebody's children,

00:45:53.540 they're cousins, they're brothers, they're mothers.

00:45:56.680 I mean, you don't know.

00:45:58.700 But it frustrates me, too, with those saying it's inhumane not to,

00:46:02.780 we can't intervene for the sake of their dignity.

00:46:04.740 That's another one that gets to me.

00:46:06.280 If it was my daughter down there servicing men to get a fix, 1.00

00:46:09.260 She has no dignity left, and I'm fine if the state tries to intervene to save her.

00:46:13.520 If it's my son who's sleeping behind a dumpster who's lost bowel control, there's no dignity left.

00:46:19.560 And the UCP, Daniel Smith, promised to do this sort of involuntary treatment.

00:46:24.740 I haven't seen any movement on that yet.

00:46:27.260 It's a tough one to try and do, but it's the route we have to go.

00:46:30.580 They're not going to help themselves.

00:46:31.940 I would think under the Mental Health Act, I mean, it does say if a person's at risk of hurting themselves or others,

00:46:39.260 the state has the right and the ability

00:46:40.920 to intervene, to protect them.

00:46:42.140 Well, I would think that applies to people

00:46:43.820 that heavily into addiction

00:46:44.920 when they're sleeping in these cold conditions,

00:46:47.140 but nobody's got the courage to make that move yet.

00:46:49.440 You know, how many people would they have to round up

00:46:53.260 and accommodate and put into-

00:46:55.820 It's a huge endeavor.

00:46:58.080 There may be a reason why they just,

00:47:00.020 well, you know, we'll take the ones who want to be helped.

00:47:03.200 Yeah.

00:47:04.040 We'll start with them.

00:47:04.880 It would take some planning.

00:47:05.720 You certainly can't do something like that overnight.

00:47:07.460 Yeah, there's several thousand in Calgary, and I'm assuming it's the same number in Edmonton.

00:47:11.980 Well, there's nothing we can do for the weather, but hope for the best and hope they've arranged as well as they can.

00:47:17.520 I mean, we know there are emergency heating shelters in Calgary and in Edmonton,

00:47:20.900 and they're shuttling people from transit stations to get them to them if they're willing and they can.

00:47:25.700 So I guess we just hope and pray we don't hear too many reports.

00:47:29.400 You could offer to take a couple on holiday with you, get them warm down there.

00:47:33.060 Keep that in mind.

00:47:34.300 I mean, maybe next year.

00:47:35.540 I don't know if I've left room

00:47:36.900 in the back of the truck for that yet,

00:47:38.340 but well, I guess we'll hope for the best

00:47:41.280 and to eventually find somebody with the courage.

00:47:43.140 And I really do have a lot of hope for Premier Smith.

00:47:45.420 Actually, she seems not to be afraid

00:47:46.880 of taking on the tough tasks.

00:47:48.120 Well, at least she is looking in the right direction.

00:47:53.780 When you go look to British Columbia

00:47:55.980 and all they're trying to do is make it easier

00:47:58.220 for people to, now at a younger age,

00:48:01.960 at least she wants to fight it.

00:48:03.600 BC is now giving fentanyl to kids without their parents' consent.

00:48:09.920 That's where BC is going.

00:48:11.180 I saw that headline.

00:48:11.900 It just floored me.

00:48:13.360 Yeah, I looked that one up.

00:48:14.140 I think it was Adam Zeevo, is it?

00:48:15.980 Yeah, we're going to be doing a follow-on.

00:48:19.020 Watch the Western Standard with that story.

00:48:20.640 It'll be up there and we'll be following up.

00:48:21.880 Well, we're out of time for this week, guys,

00:48:23.880 and I'm going to be sneaking off and escaping for a while,

00:48:26.480 true enough, somewhere warmer.

00:48:28.660 So have fun.

00:48:29.540 and

00:48:30.860 well, we will see you when I get back

00:48:34.520 and I'm sure there will be lots more to rant and rave on

00:48:36.180 and discuss. Have a great trip

00:48:37.520 Have a great trip and come back full of fire

00:48:40.760 Oh, yeah, you're too calm

00:48:42.540 I'll be a little more piss and vinegar 0.99

00:48:44.440 when I get back

00:48:45.560 This is new laid back Corey Morgan for 2024

00:48:48.580 Have your rest

00:48:50.540 and go for it

00:48:51.580 Should make it clear your show is still going to be on next week

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00:48:55.740 I hope I don't get outplayed too much

00:48:58.480 by the backup quarterback.

00:48:59.700 I might find myself out of a job.

00:49:00.960 We'll see.

00:49:01.700 But tune in.

00:49:02.260 I'm sure it'll be great.

00:49:03.480 And thank you all for tuning in today, guys.

00:49:05.620 And we'll see you all when I get back.

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Western Standard - January 11, 2024

The Pipeline： MLI calls Guilbeault policymaker of the year

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