Western Standard - The Pipeline - Notley & the ‘Just Transition’

00:00:00.000 Good evening, I'm Derek Fuldebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard, and you're watching

00:00:28.900 the pipeline today is january 18th 2023 i'm joined as usual by western standard opinion editor

00:00:36.740 nigel henneford how are you nigel i'm good great to be here also here uh reminiscent of old times 0.84

00:00:43.860 filling in for cory morgan in his own unique way western standard news editor dave nailer

00:00:49.140 dave how does it feel to be back on the pipeline it's great do i have to take my glasses off like

00:00:53.140 Nigel did you do the wave it around yeah he's good at that great to be back that's what you

00:01:01.540 look like without glasses scary just like never seen it yeah a special shout out to mama nailer

00:01:07.220 we'll be watching tonight she will be i'm wearing my christmas suit so nice yeah nice all right um

00:01:15.620 well uh we've got a good show we're going to be talking about uh the just transition again but

00:01:20.820 this time narrowing in more specifically on what Rachel Notley and the Alberta NDP have to say

00:01:26.820 about it which isn't very much a lot of words but not a not a lot to say about it as you'd expect

00:01:33.220 they're they're in a bit of a tight spot caught between their more hardcore left-wing eco NDP base

00:01:40.740 and more average everyday Alberta voters most average everyday Alberta voters I don't think

00:01:46.500 are all that keen on shutting down the biggest source of wealth and jobs in the province

00:01:50.820 Some of her base might be actually a bit more okay with that, and not least a bit caught in the middle.

00:01:56.980 So we're going to be talking about her reaction and her comments around the just transition.

00:02:01.840 After that, we're going to talk about a woman, an Ontario woman, who was killed for not wearing a mask.

00:02:09.340 You heard that right.

00:02:10.980 I'll have to be careful how I say this because the courts have decided to do nothing,

00:02:14.560 But we've just found out in the last few days that a woman in Ontario, we only found out because there was a publication ban for no good reason imposed by the courts.

00:02:25.800 I think we can all guess what the reason is.

00:02:27.540 They don't want people to know about it.

00:02:29.180 But we now know about it.

00:02:30.520 An Ontario woman was killed in a hospital.

00:02:32.800 She was not wearing a mask.

00:02:33.980 Security guards came at her.

00:02:36.780 Not after they turned the security cameras away.

00:02:39.360 And all we can see in the cameras after that is them wheeling her dead body away.

00:02:45.360 Apparently, no one's going to be held responsible for this.

00:02:50.360 It's not a casual story to talk about, and it's just gobsmacking.

00:02:56.360 I'm just gobsmacked that there hasn't been an outcry in the media.

00:03:00.360 Anyway, we're going to dive into this, the biggest story of the last two years that no one has heard about.

00:03:08.360 about. I think that I think that is what it is. Really more

00:03:13.860 I can do the funny crazy. We're gonna then talk about Alberta

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00:03:24.020 law in Alberta, because they have refused to undergo politically

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00:04:22.260 They're coming for every single gun. Wow. All right. Well, speaking of Ottawa coming for things,

00:04:29.420 we're now starting to get a little more flesh on the bones of the so-called just transition

00:04:34.920 of Justin Trudeau's federal government.

00:04:38.560 We've had some briefing notes

00:04:40.120 that have come to light recently,

00:04:43.060 some other documents prepared

00:04:45.920 for the Nunford Resource Minister, Wilkinson, I think.

00:04:50.500 And it's created a firestorm.

00:04:54.140 Even moderate progressive center lefty columnists

00:04:59.480 like Don Braid of the Calgary Herald

00:05:00.820 have been speaking out.

00:05:02.980 This is not a chicken little thing. This is not cranky right-wing Albertans who hate everything about Ottawa grind chicken little.

00:05:12.940 This is Ottawa now actually has some projected numbers for the job losses coming to nearly 200,000 in Alberta alone for the so-called just transition away from our energy sector as we know it.

00:05:27.160 And this is obviously provoked a response from Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, who was predictably gone to war over this very, very strong words, who I think is sending clear signals, she'll, she will go to war and do everything possible against it.

00:05:46.420 But Alberta, former Alberta Premier and current NDP leader, Rachel Notley, was pretty quiet about it, very, very quiet and would say some, she would have some word salad, some verbal diarrhea of, well, you know, it's not good, need more information.

00:06:06.400 Well, that was not cutting it. And so on the CBC the other day on west of center, she was asked about Jagmeet Singh calling, supporting a just transition, calling for it to be even more justly transitioning.

00:06:21.760 And, you know, she's trying to walk the tightrope here because Jagmeet Singh is not really trying to get elected in Alberta.

00:06:29.020 She said, it's not helpful. It's not helpful that the federal government threw out that number, either they're talking about a cap and how many job losses, quite honestly.

00:06:40.700 Neither is helpful. Both are wrong. And I've been clear on that. And that has been my position.

00:06:47.180 And I will advocate for that position with every tool and tactic I can muster should I be given the opportunity to do that job.

00:06:53.280 Because it's not practical. As you know, when we were in government, we did roll out the principle of an emissions cap. I don't think that's a bad idea.

00:06:59.020 So really all she said is my position is disabled. Do you support just transition? And she says, well, my position is that I will stand up for Alberta and that's my position. She constantly says that is my position and I will fight for that position, but she doesn't come out hard against it.

00:07:17.020 it. Now, that was not cutting it. So today there was a news conference in Calgary. And

00:07:24.480 she's tried out a bit more to see what you guys make of this. It's very clear to me that

00:07:29.200 the provincial government is asleep at the wheel, and is not been doing its job. She

00:07:35.240 said it was jaw dropping levels of incompetence. So what she's doing now her position on the 0.91

00:07:39.380 just transition isn't to go to war with the just transition. It's to blame the Alberta

00:07:44.080 government for, I'm not really sure why, but the Alberta government is at fault here. I think

00:07:50.480 threatening that even for what she's trying to say is Ottawa wouldn't be doing this if the Alberta 0.73

00:07:55.920 government was perhaps more cooperative and pliable with what it is Ottawa wants. Ottawa's

00:08:00.640 doing this because the Alberta government is not flexible enough. Perhaps I'm wrong, that's how I'm

00:08:07.360 reading into it. Dave, was there anything else around just transition from Notley and her

00:08:13.520 various evolving positions around as we missed. Well, one of the things she talked about Derek

00:08:17.960 was that, you know, things might want to be put on the table until next spring. Yeah. And of course,

00:08:23.580 we know what happens next spring. It's the provincial election. So again, she's just

00:08:29.000 trying to deflect it, move it down the road a little bit and sort of get it out of the headlines.

00:08:35.200 She even said she really didn't know enough about it to comment on it. So yeah, it's hard when your

00:08:42.640 boss is Jagmeet Singh, and he's advocating for the, basically the economic destruction of the

00:08:48.800 province that you are now trying to go in and become the leader for. So she's in a very tough

00:08:53.560 place. No doubt about that. So let's follow on that point, Nigel. She is essentially saying

00:08:58.920 she wants it delayed till after the spring. She wants just transition delayed. She hasn't said

00:09:03.960 it needs to stop. It needs to not happen. She's just saying, well, we need some more time and it

00:09:08.560 should be delayed. And as Dave said, well, you know, what is this spring? I mean, an election

00:09:13.880 would be an awfully bad time for just transition to be a big issue. Do you think we're reading that

00:09:19.440 right? Or am I being too uncharitable and saying she's not against just transition? She's just 0.94

00:09:24.540 saying we need more information and we should delay it until after the election. What else is

00:09:28.660 she going to say? I think Dave put it very nicely. Jagmeet Singh is her boss. This is one of the

00:09:35.280 signature items that are in the deal with Prime Minister Trudeau for the supply agreement

00:09:43.240 that they have that is supposed to take them through until May of 2025 to the next federal

00:09:50.600 election. Singh has put her in an impossible position. So she has to do the best she can.

00:09:59.020 She can't come right out and say, well, I don't think she can come out and say, we're

00:10:03.940 going to fight this all the way because the next thing is a phone call from the boss and says well

00:10:07.940 i thought we had a deal on this and you don't but this document that came out that calls all this

00:10:15.280 thing is actually a pretty uh it's a it's a lot more lethal than it uh than it sort of is

00:10:22.820 represented to be in the mainstream presentation of it because it's very standard when a minister

00:10:29.600 goes out to make an announcement that he can expect to get questions from the press.

00:10:34.540 Yeah, he's got some Q&A acceptance.

00:10:35.660 So they prepare the Q&As, and the Q&As tell you what they really think.

00:10:41.100 If they say this, then you say that.

00:10:43.800 And when you go through this document, they lay it out that there's more than 2 million

00:10:48.580 Canadians who are going to be affected by this right through the economy.

00:10:54.480 And not all of them are in Alberta.

00:10:56.680 This is a national catastrophe, if you want to say it.

00:11:02.240 And when I say it, it tells you what they really think.

00:11:06.880 One of the questions is, well, what's going to happen if there aren't enough of these great new green jobs?

00:11:12.280 And the proposed answer was, well, you know, we're going to need more janitors and truck drivers. 0.60

00:11:19.900 No disrespects to janitors.

00:11:22.720 We're always going to need people to clean up.

00:11:24.940 well i hope we're always going to need people to drive trucks but the fact of the matter is

00:11:29.420 it's just a sort of a dismissive let them eat cake why they'll only spend it on beer and popcorn

00:11:36.460 anyway if i can take you back to a previous liberal uh piece of condescension these people

00:11:43.500 really don't care about ordinary canadian workers i say ordinary because they are they themselves

00:11:49.900 are not ordinary these are people who you know they they they shower before work not after work

00:11:55.820 that's uh they don't get their hands dirty they sit there with the laptop and they make decisions

00:12:01.180 about what other people should do with their lives horrible situation so not she can't she can't she 0.98

00:12:07.100 can't support so let's talk about the politics with not lee and the ndp on this in a bit more depth

00:12:13.820 the ndp like the ucp in most political parties is a coalition of interest and it's got a spectrum

00:12:19.900 of people. You know, on one side you've got a bunch of freaking vegan green loonies who 0.65

00:12:27.740 want to, you know, would be quite content to shut down the economy. They think that, you know,

00:12:34.780 they don't care. It's worth saving the place. In their minds, this is an apocalypse happening

00:12:40.060 before our eyes and we have to do this or the world ends. And so they're quite adamant they

00:12:44.140 want to see this. And on the other side, you've got, you know, I know guys who actually work in

00:12:51.340 the oil patch, unionized Fort McMurray, and have voted NDP once or twice. And, you know,

00:12:58.460 they're pretty regular, normal people. And, you know, these are truck driving,

00:13:04.220 gun shooting guys. Those are very different people to be voting for the same political party. They're

00:13:10.860 on different planets. And for not only to have any chance of winning, she needs both of them.

00:13:20.140 We'll go to you first, Dave. How successfully do you think she's 1.00

00:13:25.100 going to be in threading the needle on this and in balancing these very disparate sides?

00:13:34.140 Do you think this kind of statement just said, well, it's the incompetence of the

00:13:39.180 provincial government is the reason that this is happening. If I'm there, maybe we won't have just

00:13:43.340 transition because Justin Trudeau can deal with me, I can make a deal. Do you think that's gonna

00:13:48.620 cut it in terms of trying to keep these two completely different sides with her? 0.98

00:13:53.820 Yeah, if she wants to get elected, she's gonna have to cut loose the green lunatics 1.00

00:13:58.940 and propose something that at least, you know, stands up somewhat for Alberta. And don't forget,

00:14:04.700 after Jagmeet Singh another one of her influencers is is unions and Alberta Federation of Labour has

00:14:11.900 a seat on their board and you know some in the union there are some unions that are quite adamant

00:14:18.380 about union members are different but like the heart of Federation of Labour Gil McGowan he's

00:14:23.020 a Marxist and an eco-radical and he has supported radical anti-oil sands actions in the past even

00:14:29.660 though they have there's a bunch of unionized people in the oil sands so there's a disconnect

00:14:34.380 between the union bosses and the union members, right? So, exactly. So, she may have to discard

00:14:41.500 or not listen to Gill as much as Gill would like to be listened to. She's got to come out

00:14:48.300 almost to the center of the political spectrum, I think, Nigel, if she wants to get elected again. 0.73

00:14:54.360 Yeah, there's no doubt about it. Really, the only option that she has is to point to Danielle

00:15:03.880 Smith and say, there's the, you know, burn the witch, and let's not talk about the awkward

00:15:10.480 little realities over here, because if the truth is known, and the truth is remembered

00:15:14.460 for the point, when she spent a few years dealing with Justin Trudeau before, trying

00:15:21.460 to protect Alberta's oil patch, it didn't go so well.

00:15:26.680 We lost pipelines, we lost influence, we accepted an emissions cap.

00:15:32.740 Carbon tax.

00:15:33.340 Carbon taxes, never on the ballot, but it was done, all to try and secure the social acceptance.

00:15:44.360 When we had the social acceptance, we didn't get the pipeline anyway.

00:15:48.160 So she doesn't have much to stand on. 0.94

00:15:51.120 It's not an issue that's going to go away either, because for the UCP to win,

00:15:55.420 picking a fight with Trudeau is red meat for UCP voters.

00:15:59.420 So you can, you know, you can bet your horses that the UCP is going to try and keep this front of mind for the next several months.

00:16:07.280 So, you know, Dave, you were saying that she needs to kind of jettison that far left, hard line, eco radical side. 0.95

00:16:15.400 Part of me thinks that actually might work in a way.

00:16:18.080 She doesn't need to jettison them, but she, you know, I was at a conference at Edmonton about two months ago.

00:16:23.060 I was talking about, you know, the difficulty in the coalitions of these parties.

00:16:26.560 And I think the NDP, at least in Alberta's coalition, it's probably fairly easy to keep together because the hard left in Alberta has low expectations.

00:16:34.640 They had never been in power until, well, one term they had with Notley.

00:16:39.420 Some of the left backed Alice and Redford as a temporary alliance of convenience against the Wild Rose in 2012.

00:16:44.500 But the left had never been in power in its own right until 2015.

00:16:49.040 They had four years only.

00:16:50.620 So they don't have very high expectations.

00:16:52.580 They'll take half a loaf.

00:16:54.080 And so she, I don't think she actually has to give them that much. I don't think it's, you know, she's not the NDP leader in BC where you have this huge eco-radical movement that is a decisive part of her party and has high expectations of results.

00:17:10.920 So if she took a moderate route, Nigel, do you think the left of her party would stay with her?

00:17:18.080 Yeah, look, the people that we're talking about are in the same situation vis-a-vis the NDP as social conservatives, pro-life people are with any of the conservative parties that we've seen.

00:17:35.340 Sure, you may not like what the party is doing, but are you going to do better with somebody else?

00:17:40.100 And the answer, of course, for the social conservatives is, well, no, at least these people also talk about low taxes.

00:17:46.880 And with the Greens, they're not going to get a better deal out of the United Conservative Party, so they'll probably hold their noses.

00:17:55.660 And the worst that can happen, maybe they won't show up in such numbers.

00:18:00.540 So she's got to take a moderate tack on this.

00:18:03.540 Is this moderate enough?

00:18:04.800 Because I just don't think she's actually saying anything.

00:18:07.480 She's had essentially three phases of her messaging.

00:18:09.540 The first one was, I don't know, really just had nothing to say.

00:18:16.500 Let's try to stay quiet. Then there was on the CBC where she just says, oh, it's not helpful and it should be delayed until after the election. Well, then we could do our transition. And now today her tack is, well, it's only really happening because of Daniel Smith and the UCP.

00:18:36.640 She says, when we have a premier, so she asked about just transition, she told the press, we have a premier who is leading a government who has been in complete and utter chaos for months, if not years, and has really failed to demonstrate any level of competence.

00:18:51.540 I'm actually not disagreeing with any of that.

00:18:53.560 I just don't think it's a relevant answer to just transition.

00:18:56.960 It's not relevant because, I mean, Danielle has been around since October, and this bill has been in preparation in various ways since 2019.

00:19:03.940 Yeah, it's, you can't pin that on Danielle Smith. 0.80

00:19:06.940 All she's got is burn the witch, burn the witch. 1.00

00:19:09.940 And I don't think that's a response Albertans want to hear.

00:19:12.940 They want to hear what your platform is.

00:19:14.940 Okay.

00:19:17.940 Well, we're gonna change it up now to a story

00:19:20.940 that we still only know a little bit about an Ontario woman.

00:19:26.940 She was in an Ontario hospital, I think 2020, if I'm not mistaken.

00:19:31.940 And she was in there, and I think she went down for lunch or something, and she was found sitting somewhere with her mask around her neck, which does about as much good as around your face.

00:19:46.360 Oh, I'm sorry, YouTube. I did not mean any of that. I was joking. I was joking. Masks save your lives.

00:19:52.640 And some security guards came to her, told her to put her mask on, some kind of argument and struggle ensued.

00:20:01.640 One of the security guards goes over, and we've all seen the footage, and they just turn the camera away.

00:20:14.640 The camera's turned away and some time elapses and the next thing you see is them just wheeling her dead body away.

00:20:24.640 So she was asphyxiated or had some kind of death.

00:20:29.640 We don't really know too many details, but what we do know is she wasn't wearing a mask.

00:20:35.640 Security guards came with her and subdued her because she was not wearing a mask and she died as a result.

00:20:42.640 not a ton known in between there.

00:20:48.520 Courts ruled that there's not gonna be a prosecution.

00:20:53.840 There's no prosecution at all now.

00:20:56.140 Most shocking to me was that there was a publication ban.

00:21:00.180 The courts put in place a publication ban.

00:21:02.400 A publication ban is normally in places

00:21:04.060 where you have sexual assault

00:21:05.060 and you're protecting identity of a victim

00:21:07.180 or you have a high profile case

00:21:09.040 and to ensure that you get a fair trial from a jury,

00:21:12.220 have to maybe keep some things under wraps temporarily. This had a publication ban for

00:21:16.940 two years. We can only speculate about why there was a publication ban, but who of you wants to

00:21:25.160 take a guess about why the courts put in place a publication ban on a woman being killed because

00:21:29.700 she wasn't wearing a mask? If I say pick me, pick me, do I have to apologize to Facebook first?

00:21:35.720 no no no i'll do that no it's uh it's the optics are extremely bad even if you accept that everything

00:21:47.880 that the public health agencies have ever told you about covid is true even if they have told

00:21:54.760 you conflicting things here and here the optics of somebody who is physically assaulted

00:22:06.280 and dies after the camera has been turned away demands an explanation what happened there

00:22:15.160 i i understand that from people who work in the public health system that it's not an easy place

00:22:20.280 to work that tempers flare some people are uncooperative i'm not making a case at all

00:22:26.840 in defense of these people but i i think we all have to recognize that this this is a pretty

00:22:31.560 stressful environment but we expect the professionals who go into stressful situations

00:22:39.160 whether they're police officers whether they're emergency technicians whether there's security

00:22:44.760 in a hospital whoever it is who is supposed to manage stuff that happens we expect them to be

00:22:54.120 professional and we don't expect to find that after they spend a few minutes with somebody

00:23:00.440 that person is dead so if that happens there needs to be an inquiry and if the courts will

00:23:08.200 not do it and the court said there's not enough evidence to get a conviction

00:23:12.520 then somebody else needs to go after this because somebody died that's not acceptable

00:23:20.900 in this circumstance we've got some new information today because the woman's name

00:23:26.100 is stephanie warner her family today in toronto filed a 16 million dollar lawsuit against the

00:23:32.460 hospital and the two security guards now this stephanie had chronic lung ailments and she was 0.99

00:23:40.240 and she went to the hospital because she couldn't breathe and she was coughing.

00:23:43.720 And I think that she had COVID.

00:23:46.780 From what I read, it was suspected she had COVID, but she didn't.

00:23:50.600 She didn't at the end.

00:23:51.520 But I guess we can still call it a COVID death.

00:23:53.940 Certainly.

00:23:56.360 They allege that the two security guards came over.

00:24:00.080 The security guard on the camera who turned it,

00:24:02.960 the lawsuit says he turned it because he felt anxiety about what was going to happen.

00:24:08.240 The two security...

00:24:08.880 If I was about to kill someone, I might feel anxious.

00:24:11.080 Yes, exactly.

00:24:12.240 The lawsuit claims that two security guards took Stephanie,

00:24:15.780 wrestled her to the floor, and put her hands in handcuffs behind her back. 0.95

00:24:22.540 So they're obviously putting pressure on her back to keep her under control.

00:24:28.300 And then they wheeled her out into an elevator and started CPR

00:24:33.000 because she was basically already dead at that moment.

00:24:36.260 That's what the lawsuit claims.

00:24:37.980 and it's had a devastating effect on the family, the lawsuit says.

00:24:43.180 In fact, her daughter Daisy went back into doing drugs 0.95

00:24:48.240 and, in fact, passed away since this incident.

00:24:52.160 So it's a tragedy that keeps on...

00:24:54.180 They've lost two daughters in one 10-day span?

00:24:58.100 I'm not sure when Daisy died.

00:25:00.660 That's a consequence of this?

00:25:01.540 Certainly.

00:25:02.480 So one daughter dies in hospital, the other one is upset and has since...

00:25:06.480 A grandchild. That would be a grandchild. So yeah, it was Stephanie's daughter. She was a

00:25:12.060 former drug user and cleaned up. Yeah, it's a tragedy that just won't go away. And Derek's

00:25:19.440 right when he said it was gobsmacking that this can happen. I will disagree with you a little bit

00:25:25.740 in any sort of homicide case. It's not that unusual to ask for a publication ban. But what

00:25:32.380 we don't know is why they asked for a publication ban and who asked for it, right? But most

00:25:39.500 homicidal cases don't have publication bans. No, they do. Sometimes there are. When someone's

00:25:46.040 killed and there's an arrest, we normally know about it. Sure, but we don't have public,

00:25:50.140 we always have publicity bans in the preliminary inquiry, right, which is what the ban. We've

00:25:56.980 We've had a publicity ban for two years.

00:25:59.760 Yes, absolutely.

00:26:00.960 I have a hard time seeing how this was not granted.

00:26:03.980 Other than that, perhaps the court felt it was in the public interest that the public doesn't know about this because they would get angry.

00:26:11.020 I mean, look how angry people were without.

00:26:13.440 As far as we knew, there was no one killed over mass mandates and vaccine mandates.

00:26:19.100 Some people might argue contrary on some of that, but no tangible 100% cases.

00:26:24.860 And we have a woman who was killed for this, because she wasn't wearing a mask.

00:26:30.180 There could have been riots.

00:26:32.400 But, you know, this makes me recall, I forget his first name, but Floyd.

00:26:38.140 The black man in the States who was murdered by a police officer.

00:26:43.640 I can't breathe.

00:26:44.200 I can't breathe.

00:26:45.200 She couldn't breathe.

00:26:46.360 Now, that guy was a criminal and not a very nice figure, but the police murdered him.

00:26:52.780 They used clearly excessive force, and they killed him.

00:26:57.340 That was captured on video.

00:26:59.900 Now, this would have probably been captured on video if one of the guards who was involved in this didn't turn it away.

00:27:06.220 But there was no publication ban, and people were rightfully angry.

00:27:10.140 Now, some people expressed that anger wrongly.

00:27:12.060 There was rioting and all sorts of crazy stuff, and people interpreted things, I think, poorly sometimes.

00:27:18.800 But people were right to be angry about it, and they had a right to know about it.

00:27:22.780 But Canadians had no right, apparently, according to the courts, to know about this.

00:27:27.460 I'd speculate people would have been just as angry here.

00:27:30.260 In fact, this wasn't even a criminal.

00:27:32.700 That Floyd guy was a criminal and was being rightfully arrested.

00:27:37.660 Just the way they arrested him was murder.

00:27:39.960 I think you were talking this morning about this would have sparked the Freedom Convoy a year earlier.

00:27:45.520 They would have got people across the country so upset that they would have been galvanized into action, I think.

00:27:50.780 And I can see how a court would say it's not in the public interest for this to be known. It is in the public interest to keep this unknown, because people would get so angry. I can see how a court might decide that.

00:28:03.900 Now the question is, will the Doug Ford government call a fatality inquiry?

00:28:08.580 That's a good question. I smell a column.

00:28:10.560 If you want answers, it's got to be an inquiry, right?

00:28:14.520 Yeah.

00:28:14.960 And get everybody under oath.

00:28:16.580 Well, I guess if they go to court, that will bring out a lot of...

00:28:21.080 But I cannot imagine that Doug Ford wants much light on this because it was his mask mandate that was being enforced by these goons that ultimately resulted in her death.

00:28:33.400 Doug Ford is happy to move past COVID. It was his mandate. And so in some measure, Doug Ford is also responsible for this.

00:28:41.500 Well, at arm's length, you know, it's this this is regardless of what you will.

00:28:48.040 I think we're all of a consensus of what we think of mask mandates.

00:28:51.920 But, you know, regardless of what you think of them and of all the helpful information that turned out not to be so helpful.

00:29:00.220 One of the saddest things about cases like this is that when you don't throw the light on it, it just increases the level of distrust.

00:29:10.760 for government and for security and for agencies justice needs to be seen to be

00:29:17.180 done and if fatality inquiry is the way to go then that's the answer if taken

00:29:24.200 it to court and having everybody cross-examined is the way to go maybe

00:29:28.220 it's both but my my fear would be hospital knows are in kind of a bad

00:29:34.220 position they'll write a check and they'll sign a non-disclosure or no one

00:29:38.240 and the family will have to be quiet.

00:29:42.860 So again, we'll never know what happened.

00:29:45.720 I want to wrap up just one last question to you, Dave,

00:29:48.440 on this one before we move on.

00:29:50.260 It was just about the media's coverage of this.

00:29:52.580 Now, good on CBC actually broke this story.

00:29:57.500 Good on them, but this was not known for two years

00:30:01.340 as we've seen, you said, but it's known now.

00:30:04.980 And this was a little blip in the CBC.

00:30:09.460 We've done some stuff on it.

00:30:11.480 For the last two days of the morning news meeting,

00:30:13.220 I've sat there banging the table saying,

00:30:15.220 I want us digging into this.

00:30:17.220 This is the biggest story in Canada.

00:30:19.100 In fact, it's an international story.

00:30:21.640 We need to get to the bottom of this.

00:30:22.940 We need to investigate.

00:30:25.860 So we're taking it seriously,

00:30:27.720 but we're just ramping up because we're coming at,

00:30:30.360 we're starting from a standstill.

00:30:32.420 But I've seen just virtually no media attention.

00:30:36.240 It was like a one-day blip of a story and gone.

00:30:39.920 The desire for information is out there.

00:30:43.640 This morning we published a story about the $16 million lawsuit, and it went crazy on our website.

00:30:50.080 People want to know.

00:30:51.000 People want to know what happened.

00:30:52.980 But you're right, Derek.

00:30:53.980 It was a one-day wonder with the mainstream media, and now it's disappeared.

00:30:58.840 There's no follow-up stories.

00:31:00.160 There's no nothing.

00:31:00.740 um you know i can't speak for the mainstream media but i know who their their bosses are and

00:31:07.160 they may just want it to go away but we won't let it he who pays the piper calls the tune

00:31:12.660 all right well we're going to move on a little closer to home here so uh 30 alberta lawyers

00:31:19.620 have been suspended from practicing law by the alberta law society for refusing to participate

00:31:25.760 and some politically correct re-education.

00:31:28.860 This is called The Path.

00:31:32.140 It's not a sci-fi movie.

00:31:33.820 It's a First Nations indigenous training course

00:31:39.800 that all members of the Law Society in Alberta

00:31:42.120 are apparently required to go through.

00:31:44.200 Tells them how racist they are, how racist everything is.

00:31:48.760 that it's got a bunch of stuff saying it's wildly political.

00:31:56.760 You read through this stuff and it talks about, you know, think about this while you're listening to the national anthem

00:32:05.760 and consider, you know, I guess in the context of criminal stuff, we should consider restorative justice,

00:32:13.760 justice, which is code for slap on the wrist, and nothing

00:32:17.300 happens. If you're dealing with indigenous peoples, it's 1.00

00:32:20.660 extremely condescending to indigenous people. We have a 1.00

00:32:24.420 great column, who wrote that? His name is Glenn Blackett,

00:32:27.740 Glenn Blackett, Calgary lawyer. So we will come to that in a

00:32:31.140 second. He, he wrote a great column on this, published the

00:32:34.580 standard. And he, he made the point, I think, very forcefully

00:32:39.860 that this re-education says

00:32:43.000 that indigenous people have no power. 1.00

00:32:45.420 And when you believe you have no power, you have no power.

00:32:48.560 It takes away their agency

00:32:49.940 that they could do nothing ever to help themselves.

00:32:53.060 And this is all essentially white man's burden

00:32:55.620 that First Nations issues can only be solved

00:32:58.620 by the white man's burden helping,

00:33:00.780 that these people are incapable of helping themselves.

00:33:04.720 It's incredibly racist in its own right

00:33:08.420 in kind of a white man's liberal burden kind of way.

00:33:15.300 But yeah, we'll go with you.

00:33:16.060 Maybe elaborate on the column and the reaction

00:33:20.860 to the re-education program of our lawyers.

00:33:22.840 Well, see that, okay, there are two points in this column.

00:33:27.520 The first is that here we go again with a regulatory body

00:33:32.880 which is accountable not to the voters

00:33:35.380 but only to its own members.

00:33:38.420 putting in place woke regulations this is what the ontario college of psychologists

00:33:47.620 is doing to jordan peterson it is what the colleges of physicians and surgeons have done

00:33:54.100 to doctors and nurses during the last couple of years when covet is has been out there and they

00:34:00.180 have permitted no dissent well now here it's not with the alberta law society is not merely not

00:34:06.980 permitting dissent is specifying what you shall believe this is prescribed speech it's very very

00:34:14.900 dangerous the good thing there's only one good thing and that is that if the alberta lawyers

00:34:19.940 actually have the gumption to do it they can vote in a new board and this they can change that just

00:34:26.580 the same as the psychologists in ontario if they feel sufficiently uh supportive of jordan peterson

00:34:33.460 can vote in a new board there. My only fear is that this actually represents some kind of consensus,

00:34:38.660 and these people will willingly give away the freedoms that they have.

00:34:42.580 Well, even if they do reelect these boards, it's still tyranny of the majority. What gives,

00:34:47.620 you know, if Dave and I vote that we're going to hang you while you're Thai, 1.00

00:34:52.660 well, majority rules. That doesn't make it right.

00:34:54.420 No. So the second thing in this column just deals with, well, what if we did apply

00:34:59.300 by the indigenous reasoning, indigenous thinking,

00:35:05.180 as they understand it,

00:35:07.100 which may not be exactly what indigenous people understand.

00:35:11.700 It was pretty funny because it read like,

00:35:13.360 this is what a white guy thinks, the indigenous think.

00:35:16.380 Yeah, exactly.

00:35:17.220 But I mean, as our columnist writes, he says,

00:35:20.920 in the law as we understand it,

00:35:24.400 we try to figure out what happened.

00:35:27.340 you apply the logic that the path recommends this indigenous learning well then you try to find out 0.70

00:35:35.340 what a bunch of people think happened which is a rather different concept it's it's all tied to

00:35:42.860 post-modernism and subjectivism and how they managed to work you know the works of Jacques

00:35:49.660 Derrida into traditional Indian indigenous thinking I'm not sure but they they manage it and so it's

00:35:56.140 It's all loosey-goosey, and it doesn't really...

00:35:58.080 Ours don't mean what...

00:35:59.220 It makes sense, because you've seen all this bizarre language lately coming from this kind of woke postmodern crowd,

00:36:07.300 where they say things like rugged individualism or objectivity are white supremacy.

00:36:15.980 I mean, it blows my mind.

00:36:17.060 So you're saying that people who are rugged individuals or believe that there is such a thing as an objective truth are white supremacists.

00:36:24.000 That's something a white supremacist would say, because these are virtues.

00:36:28.900 And these people are saying, well, but these things equal white supremacy.

00:36:32.080 It's like they're trying to convince people to be white supremacists.

00:36:35.360 It's insanity.

00:36:37.560 So, Dave, what's been some of the reaction from the legal community we've talked to?

00:36:42.820 Well, you know, 30 of them that have, I guess, been stripped of their license.

00:36:48.580 And I think the general reaction is everybody's just tired of the woke.

00:36:53.480 Tired of it. Tired of it being getting up and being told that we're racist and, you know, it would be like getting a letter from you telling me, okay, Dave, you're a bad person. You came in from Britain. You're a colonialist. You're a racist. You're a white supremacist. You know, you can't tell. That's not what you want to hear from your boss.

00:37:14.960 Here's your letter.

00:37:15.800 Yes. Okay. I'll read it afterwards.

00:37:18.240 I say all sorts of anti-English things.

00:37:20.500 You know, we probably do at the Western Standard one or two stories every single day on something stupid being done by the woke crowd.

00:37:30.360 And somebody's got to stand up at some point, surely.

00:37:35.280 Jordan Peterson is standing up.

00:37:37.100 Jordan Peterson is doing it.

00:37:39.120 Well, I actually hope they never stop because it's just such a great source of news.

00:37:43.160 Oh, it is.

00:37:43.640 They say dumb things and they get to report.

00:37:48.240 the story out to our copy editor mike damore and he sends me back with a note just shaking his head

00:37:53.920 what is this country coming to or what what is wrong with people you know it's it's uh

00:38:00.560 some of them are just laughable absolutely laughable hold on before you go on um nico

00:38:06.560 we're gonna have to put this up on the screen here um this was sent to me by a friend the other day

00:38:10.880 just to kind of demonstrate how how insane this stuff is i couldn't tell if it was real or a

00:38:16.720 parody. It was so over the top, I thought, well, maybe a parody, but it's so anyway, it's this

00:38:22.320 Twitter account. Now, I should have read the name a little closer. It's at Ann Lesby PhD.

00:38:31.440 Read her name backwards. Her name is Ann Lesby. This is head of gender studies at ACL University, 0.94

00:38:39.120 anti-racist fetus author one-eighth black neo divergent typical non-binary semi-trans lesbian 0.60

00:38:47.360 who dates men vegan plus mentor i thought she duped me i this is a parody account apparently

00:38:56.320 it's a bigger thing in the states i hadn't seen it but this thing duped me and it's you just read

00:39:01.840 through this thing and it's gold. She refuses to let her children eat from gas stoves. That's 1.00

00:39:18.400 something people would say now.

00:39:22.500 This is a good example. We have a story last week, I think it was a Stanford University

00:39:26.440 in the United States, banned the use of the word field.

00:39:30.320 Can you imagine that?

00:39:31.760 So they've got, this is a school surrounded by sports fields,

00:39:35.720 and now they have to go and change the name of every single field

00:39:38.860 because they banned the word field.

00:39:42.180 And they said it was a racist word because it brought up memories

00:39:47.240 of slaves working in a field.

00:39:49.920 And they banned it.

00:39:51.780 I mean, I don't know.

00:39:53.880 Obviously, I'm not black, and I haven't had the black experience, but I don't even think many black people would be offended by the word field.

00:40:03.180 Probably not.

00:40:04.060 I think maybe the solution is to get all the woke people together and put them on a train that has not been designed by an engineer who believed in exact standards, who was, in fact, not objective, but subjective.

00:40:20.980 And so things kind of fit, but not quite.

00:40:22.700 and then be sent over a bridge erected by people who thought close near enough is good enough.

00:40:29.460 You know, maybe this is the answer.

00:40:31.800 People who believe the measurements and physics of it all were their truth.

00:40:35.800 Yeah.

00:40:36.380 Yeah.

00:40:36.840 I don't know.

00:40:37.600 I actually, I don't want them to stop.

00:40:40.440 Like, I just kind of love to hate them.

00:40:42.540 I feel a little lonely without them.

00:40:45.100 They're company.

00:40:47.400 Okay.

00:40:48.100 Well, I think we can end on a kind of funny note with these nutters.

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