Western Standard - THE PIPELINE： Parliament is back. Is Canada on the right track？

00:00:00.000 good evening i'm corey morgan a senior columnist with the western

00:00:29.600 standard and this is the pipeline this is our weekly panel show where we bring the experts in

00:00:35.360 to break down a few selected issues and interpret the news for you or at least try to the news gets

00:00:41.360 a little too crazy to keep up on it sometimes so i've got a great and learned group of people to

00:00:47.360 speak with today though i'll start kind of in the far end of the folks who are here in person because

00:00:51.600 dave hasn't appeared on the pipeline nearly enough times is our news editor dave naylor how's it going

00:00:55.440 it's good uh glad to be here it has been a while but i'm looking forward to uh bloviating with such

00:01:01.440 esteemed colleagues excellent and in the middle here we have nigel hannaford uh fresh off retirement

00:01:08.320 from the full-time opinion editing but still providing his wisdom to us here gone but not

00:01:13.200 forgotten yes well good to see you as always and we have coming in remotely elise mills to add

00:01:20.480 uh some great input and something better to look at than us bunch of grumpy old men here sitting on

00:01:26.160 the panel so thanks for coming in to join us again this week elise well thanks for having me i'm the

00:01:32.160 refugee from the left coast yes well surviving so far now we've got lots to cover today uh you know it's

00:01:41.920 fall things are happening the news scroll is picking up political season's coming so for the wonks and dorks

00:01:47.600 like us we can have much more gris to chew on so uh nigel is to start parliament is back in session

00:01:54.640 what have we got to look forward to well you've got to look forward to a budget on november the 4th

00:01:59.280 we haven't seen one of those since april of 2024 uh it was a sort of a that was the one you might

00:02:05.200 recall where christia freeland upset the apple cart for uh mr trudeau and led to ultimately the fact

00:02:13.200 that there is no continued liberal supremacy in parliament instead of the conservative one that

00:02:18.480 seemed almost inevitable at the time anyway there we are she's got her reward she is now a special

00:02:24.320 envoy to the ukraine and uh apparently is not going to serve out her term other than that i think we need

00:02:32.640 to get into a discussion about what mr carney has actually uh proposed here the we have the bill five

00:02:41.360 which is well c5 which is the the one that's supposed to rebuild the country with exciting

00:02:46.720 new projects first five that he announced under that legislation the first throughput of the major

00:02:53.360 projects office turned out to be all things that were already approved under the old regime so that

00:02:59.920 doesn't really make the point but what does uh strike me is that it seems to be a centralizing tendency

00:03:07.760 with uh with mr carney get all the big stuff coming into cabinet once it's in cabinet get it into

00:03:13.440 this little special committee and run the whole country from the uh you know the kitchen table at the

00:03:19.200 back of the pmo so it's uh it's a little early to to say that that's a fact but i'm beginning to wonder

00:03:26.960 whether that's the strategy yeah mark carney took tuesday off question period after just doing monday

00:03:34.000 because we needed a day off i guess and he was he was back today uh he doesn't look overly comfortable

00:03:39.600 in my opinion uh you know pierre polly have been there for 20 years a very polished orator and uh

00:03:47.520 interesting today uh polly have just said how big is the deficit literally how big is the deficit and

00:03:53.280 mark carney refused to say so i think we're in for a very eye-opening number on november 4th that we do

00:04:00.720 so for at least uh you know policy tactics strategy that's kind of one of your specialties

00:04:06.320 there i think all you have has to kind of try to frame himself a little differently this session

00:04:12.000 around i mean he's proven himself an effective opposition leader but as we saw in the last election

00:04:16.320 canadians at least in the east weren't ready to select him as the country's leader do you think

00:04:21.520 he's going to take on a different tactic this session i i'm not so sure about that and i think

00:04:26.560 that is the large frustration among certain conservatives i mean all of us out here in

00:04:31.520 the west and forgive me i will include myself as a western canadian even though i'm from bc um but

00:04:38.240 you know out here that is a style that i i think specifically we can really relate to uh that really

00:04:44.960 lines up with our you know social credit roots um how the west was really built but i think for the

00:04:52.400 more precious in toronto the precious tories um it's more difficult for them to digest uh that more

00:05:00.400 pointed uh approach that mr paliev has i would suggest though that i watching him in the last couple of

00:05:08.000 days i think he's more jovial he's a little more affable um it was nice to see the the start to the

00:05:14.800 session where there was a chewing or throwing back and forth uh some smiles but i do think mr paliev and the

00:05:22.080 front bench are really going to have to get down to the business of chasing these liberals because

00:05:27.200 they are running into the dark corners let's give a good example yesterday uh before the house committee

00:05:34.160 you had the parliamentary budget office there that was an embarrassment that was an absolute sham

00:05:40.480 even the pbo staff had their head in their hands they could not believe that this liberal

00:05:46.640 government and it doesn't matter who the leader is because it's all the same at this point

00:05:51.040 that they've re they've walked away from producing any sort of spreadsheet or any any any fiscal

00:05:57.600 update there's been absolutely nothing and carny was supposed to be different the the other thing that

00:06:03.840 we're seeing is that the prime minister and the liberals really don't understand the size of this deficit

00:06:10.000 at this point um and the numbers are fluctuating the other thing is the message from the liberal front

00:06:15.520 bench including their finance minister francois champagne was very much shame on you canadians

00:06:21.360 this is going to be a really difficult budget for you you guys should tighten your belts get ready for

00:06:27.600 what's going to happen because you've never seen anything like it i am completely offended by these

00:06:32.560 liberals this was completely avoidable what's happening to canada canada would not have gone down as

00:06:39.200 with the fud they did when trump showed up with the tariffs if we had had a functioning economy

00:06:46.320 and we had understood the lessons we had learned during the pandemic which is our inability to supply

00:06:52.800 our own needs whether it's supply management in this country getting food moving across the provinces

00:06:59.040 whether it's uh our energy supply whether it's uh military whether it's protecting our water

00:07:06.000 and zero pharmaceutical in this country now so i think that mr polyab getting back to the question

00:07:12.640 that you asked me cory i think mr polyab just needs to take change the conversation not necessarily the

00:07:19.760 style because i think canadians are largely uninformed um of the severe negligence that the liberals and

00:07:26.960 incompetence that the liberals have brought to the table and i and i swear today i felt like starting

00:07:34.160 a collective action against this government for the abuse of the taxpayer i i really did you know elise

00:07:43.760 i agree with you 100 here i would have to say that pierre polyab has got the public pulse because the

00:07:52.320 proof if you want it is that mr carney picked up his platform walked away with it and won the election

00:07:57.840 with it so we know that we know that mr polyab is on track what is it that he has to do that he can do

00:08:09.040 now to bring people on side and reward him for the fruits of his mind well i would say let's remember

00:08:16.720 that mr mr or let's just call him here because that's what i call him but he was bopping down the road

00:08:24.080 across the country people had it was a blend of trudeau fatigue or absolute outrage uh with the

00:08:31.920 trudeau liberals and trudeau himself uh in ontario there was serious questions around what i just said

00:08:38.640 manufacturing the ability to keep jobs um you know canadians are are are we have to wait for carney

00:08:46.480 fatigue now well that that's it but then what came along was a side swipe and basically ford pulling

00:08:54.400 pierre's jersey over his head and doing a cheap and dirty side swipe there is no love lost between

00:09:00.640 the ontario conservatives and what i would say is the rest of us so you've got to remember there was

00:09:05.920 an inside takeout that happened i think that tripped up here and the campaign much more than we

00:09:12.240 understood i think that also set in a narrative that was happening in ontario when carney came

00:09:18.400 around i think it made people that were on the fence uh go back to the liberals and say it's better with

00:09:25.920 to take what to vote for what i know and trust carney's resume that he's that he's dragging around

00:09:31.600 the country than to deal with this inside fighting and this quite embarrassing situation that's that's

00:09:36.880 uh being created by doug ford and and the and it's tripping up the conservatives i think it really

00:09:42.400 damaged pierre and the conservatives anything east of manitoba so getting a little farther into things

00:09:50.320 i mean things that i think that the conservatives are going to latch on to i mean is the spending the

00:09:54.160 budget uh dave i know you've even your newsroom's been busy constantly reporting on new spending

00:09:59.040 initiatives and more and more money going out the door carney used the word austerity recently too and

00:10:04.480 apparently not in jest but i'm just wondering which stories have you written on any austerity measures

00:10:08.880 so far uh not too many i don't think cory uh you know he's talked about cutting the civil service but

00:10:16.960 then he's he sort of hinted that he's going to let austerity take uh uh not austerity uh uh people

00:10:23.200 attrition uh take care of that you know the the ctf has called for deep and meaningful cuts um so it's

00:10:31.360 going to be a very very interesting budget i mean if it if it was a conservative government you would

00:10:37.120 hopefully call it a slash and burn budget um but if it's if it's that kind of budget will the

00:10:42.720 the mainstream media frame it as such or will they give carney a bit of a break well they've been prone

00:10:48.640 to giving him breaks so far i mean the signs you can see on the wall i think if they're really going

00:10:52.640 to mean it we didn't i mean everything comes in cycles we haven't really seen slash and burn budget

00:10:57.040 since the 90s uh i think though you know one of the best people who did it was of course ralph

00:11:01.920 klein everybody did harris did even romano did but they usually started by cutting their own you know

00:11:07.600 klein was smart for the optics hey we're going to cut out our mla salaries and we're going to take a

00:11:12.960 slash off ourselves before we ask it of the rest of the service and the liberals they're not tapping

00:11:19.120 the brakes on on any personal spending i mean you're reporting on more spending outrages by the day

00:11:24.160 it seems yeah it's uh you know they may maybe they'll surprise us maybe they'll freeze mp's

00:11:29.360 salary in the budget uh if you and you hit the mail on the headquarters if you're going to ask canadians

00:11:33.920 to tighten your belt their belts then they have to be seen to doing the same thing for themselves

00:11:38.480 yeah well they said freedom they might save a few bucks uh so alice uh what are you expecting

00:11:45.520 perhaps like we're going to start seeing the policies dropping though uh what do you think the

00:11:50.720 agenda of the liberals is the other part of the austerity they said of course is investments

00:11:54.480 which means spending of course but where do you think they're going to go i mean bc released their

00:12:00.080 numbers obviously in a whopping record-breaking deficit of 11.7 um and and it's going to grow

00:12:09.040 we're going to get to 12.6 the first thing that david eby did was announce all two key projects that

00:12:15.760 we've been waiting for in this province for eight years i suspect that the reason why we see the

00:12:21.840 budget go down to november the 4th or push up to november the 4th is because they're going to use

00:12:26.960 the month of october uh to try and put together some version of a bilateral trade deal with mexico to

00:12:33.600 cover their um there because i don't think we're going to get a deal with the americans not at least in

00:12:39.600 the way that uh carney originally promised the other thing is i think we're going to start to see

00:12:43.840 some of these big projects announced so that it's covering and covering the numbers that are going

00:12:49.120 to come in the budget so i think we're going to be in for a deluge of of these big announcements

00:12:55.120 uh with very little roi to show for it um as we go into what i think is going to be one of the most

00:13:00.880 heartbreaking budgets that can canadians have ever seen yeah well nigel i mean if we've got a bunch of

00:13:07.120 big projects coming if c5 means something and he says there's more coming i did a little research

00:13:12.320 every one of the things he proposed though has indigenous challengers against it and

00:13:16.720 environmentalist groups challenging from the ontario nuclear to the bc mining to the lng plant

00:13:22.720 carney's gonna have to take a stand at some point like and say that's it we're done but do you think

00:13:27.600 he has that fortitude i mean just saying it in the bill is one thing but they've got to have to put

00:13:32.880 their foot down and say this is a go well cory i i have a long and distinguished record of being

00:13:39.120 completely wrong about things so i offer this with a certain amount of humility but i actually

00:13:47.680 believe that mr carney won't be that disappointed if some of these large projects founder on the rocks

00:13:55.600 of provincial objections and indigenous rights because the projects that are going to founder

00:14:01.840 are the ones which involve energy the ones that are of interest in alberta and saskatchewan

00:14:10.160 and to northeastern bc as well and i mean eb money gets eb government gets money from them too

00:14:16.880 but all this talk about um you know there will be a pipeline but it's got to be decarbonized oil

00:14:23.600 and the indians have to sign on uh right there uh there are two

00:14:33.600 obstacles that are going to be quite hard to meet quickly might they may be able to meet them but

00:14:39.360 and the other thing that he's talking about is um or actually it's really the premier daniel smith is

00:14:45.040 talking about it well okay we can meet the net zero requirements of these big energy products

00:14:52.640 with carbon capture and yes technically you can but is it going to be economic i mean we we know we can

00:15:01.040 we're doing it a way behind they they bury the carbon down in the carbon dioxide thousands of feet

00:15:07.840 underground but is it going to be economic on the grand scale that will actually allow alberta

00:15:16.640 to develop its loyal sands achieve net zero and still leave enough on the table to interest the

00:15:23.600 investors and i would suspect that mr carney would at the end of it all say well we tried

00:15:29.680 but it couldn't be done we couldn't satisfy the indigenous lobby we couldn't alberta couldn't

00:15:36.080 make money at this so terrible shame great idea end of story but he seems to to have premier

00:15:43.520 smith sort of happy and going along with it and you know she she had the opportunity to to uh to go

00:15:51.040 crazy on them when they announced no pipelines in the first five projects but she's saying you know

00:15:55.280 okay everybody keep calm keep your powder dry you know there's things going on there's they're not

00:15:59.920 ruling out a pipeline they may announce one later and we know behind the scenes i think she's talking to

00:16:04.640 some uh some companies about you know doing projects and pipelines but you know if he's got

00:16:12.480 daniel smith convinced he might have most of the country convinced well you know dave i'm not sure

00:16:17.280 that he does no i don't have any special knowledge here but i'm not sure that he does have daniel smith

00:16:23.120 convinced but what i do think is that daniel smith had to say something fairly positive what would

00:16:28.320 have been the benefit at this point of coming out guns blazing creating a stink and uh saying this is

00:16:36.400 never going to work anyway okay well what's your good ideal and so i think she has to give it whatever

00:16:43.680 she thinks privately she has to give it time to run the course so the reasonable people can say well

00:16:52.240 we gave it a go and i guess it wasn't going to happen so she was right all along that's my guess

00:16:58.320 i could see a bit of that i mean part of what mollified premier smith a bit perhaps was there's

00:17:02.400 talk that maybe that odious emission emissions cap is going to be scrapped i mean that's a big one

00:17:06.480 that's one that i didn't think he was going to budge on and again i mean i think most of us are

00:17:10.240 i'll believe it when i see it he's talking a great game but he's been doing it seven months and he

00:17:13.120 really hasn't done a damn thing yet but that's dangerous territory we still going to be not zero well

00:17:18.400 and we forget the flip side and maybe elise can address areas like bc and toronto that would be

00:17:23.840 very unpopular to get rid of that emissions cap there well we painted ourselves into a corner i mean

00:17:30.800 the only possibility i see of getting a pipeline done is while david eby and the bc ndp are

00:17:37.440 politically in no man's land or fighting for their lives uh in the middle ground they already have

00:17:42.960 lost their environmental vote that's not going to come back to them um they've made these huge

00:17:48.000 announcements with lng the environmentalists are starting to protest them they're not in a

00:17:52.880 good position with the public sector they've got 180 plus uh contract negotiations ahead of them

00:17:58.880 david eby is is in a in as a cycle of flubs and and serious errors um i think you you try and have

00:18:06.560 that pipeline conversation now i believe that danielle smith as she said in this over the summer

00:18:12.080 that she has proponents she has people from the private sector that want that pipeline and i think

00:18:17.360 that pipeline is going to prince rupert i don't believe it's going to be reheated on that original

00:18:23.920 route it was ripe with problems and it's not popular in certain areas i think you can get it to prince

00:18:29.520 rupert i think that might also explain why the um why the carny liberals and the prime minister

00:18:36.160 specifically is interested in talking high-speed rail through british columbia it was something that

00:18:41.600 hasn't particularly made a lot of sense for us beforehand i think he sort of sees that there can

00:18:47.120 be an a business development case for other sectors if you bring a pipeline there but my general feeling

00:18:54.400 is that i feel about 50 50 on it but we'd have to strike now to be able to do it while david eby and

00:19:00.160 the ndp are shaking in their boots as they're looking at i think what is going to be an absolute freefall for them

00:19:05.600 okay well we'll be watching parliament of interest as it unfolds it's just the first part of i guess

00:19:13.040 kind of a new government and uh well week by week we'll see if anything actually gets accomplished

00:19:18.240 elise who is that comedian who's got a 450 000 contract of supply one-liners to the uh to the

00:19:27.600 prime the premier's office yeah charlie demmers or demurs or something like that i saw his social media

00:19:35.360 this morning um he seems i'll tell you he proudly talks about how he started in the marxist movement

00:19:44.400 and that he specifically chose not to go to college if i have this right not to go to post-secondary

00:19:49.120 so he could work in a lighting manufacturers uh facility to help push better pay for those workers

00:19:57.920 i will tell you when i read his wikipedia page if he wrote that i don't know what we're paying for

00:20:03.040 it has spelling mistakes it's grammatically incorrect in certain parts and i'm not sure um

00:20:09.440 i actually believe it's very truthful and if you read it it's quite scary to i would you know to a

00:20:14.480 fiscal conservative and somebody that you know promotes um free enterprise but and and he's a

00:20:19.760 little bit too cute by half but the other problem here is is that david eby and we've known this for

00:20:26.560 at least 12 months he has loaded up his offices and put and it's not just his office it's the public

00:20:34.000 service on the on the deputy premier side it is other areas of the public service where friends

00:20:40.000 there's a huge friends and family program that's taken place he also has six high-level communications

00:20:47.200 officers in his office and i'll tell you something um when i when i was working communications uh

00:20:54.240 provincially here and i was acting as a spokesperson and a pundit um the gordon campbell's office was

00:21:00.400 pretty slim it was a tight streamlined group of people and i can tell you there was no way that

00:21:06.400 david eby has more speeches than gordon campbell or even a brad wall um as you might remember brad wall's

00:21:13.760 team was very very sleek as well so was danielle smith's um so it's an obscene amount of people

00:21:20.080 over there and this contract has been it's changed over time the other thing is he this writer charlie

00:21:27.840 dimmers proudly talks about how he wrote many many jokes for the former premier the late john horgan

00:21:34.720 anyone that knew john horgan and was circling at the bc ledge can tell you that john horgan for the

00:21:40.720 first few years had anything but a sense of humor no one remembers uh you know a funny joke from him

00:21:47.360 he had he was notorious for a wicked temper um david eby might have a sense of humor but i'm not so sure

00:21:55.120 where the comedy relief is coming from either so it's it's a really strange situation but i'll tell you

00:22:00.560 governments don't go as you guys know governments don't go down on one story they go down by a thousand

00:22:05.760 cuts and i will tell you i think the ev government is somewhere you know the 699 mark it's not going

00:22:11.520 to be very far from now problem is those bc conservatives are messy right now and they

00:22:16.720 need to get their act together so it's a bit of a it's a bit of a gong show as it always is in bc

00:22:22.560 well it certainly surprised me when i saw it in the western standard this morning i thought you were

00:22:26.400 the low bidder on that job as our headline our headline to the story said it's no laughing matter

00:22:36.560 i guess we'll turn from you know a bit of a joking matter but to getting pretty dark it was

00:22:41.360 a year ago exactly a year ago a week ago exactly now when that that horrific video emerged charlie

00:22:47.280 kirk being assassinated in utah uh thankfully i guess in some ways things progressed quickly they

00:22:54.000 caught what appears to be the man who did it and he won't be able to harm anybody else

00:22:58.800 but you know what became the story very quickly and and dave you you know wrote stories on it pretty

00:23:04.720 quickly afterwards was the responses from some people just horrific ghoulish uh vitriolic grave

00:23:12.320 dancing i i mean we've almost come to expect it from some people but it still shocks you know the the

00:23:18.640 the body wasn't even cold yet and people were coming out and we expected from some anonymous

00:23:23.520 clown on the internet or something but we're talking about professors uh senior politicians

00:23:28.800 press members what the hell was with that feeding it was absolutely disgusting wasn't it and and it just

00:23:35.600 shows you how polarizing this country or this society has become when you know thousands of people

00:23:42.320 are celebrating a man's death a father's death uh you know a husband's death and as you said the body

00:23:48.160 wasn't even cold before they started dancing uh a lot of people are paying uh paying for it though

00:23:55.120 you know they woke up tuesday morning or i guess it would be thursday morning to find out uh their

00:24:00.000 drunk text has got them fired uh there's investigations uh university of calgary into what a professor says

00:24:07.040 but there's a teacher in toronto who showed the video and if you've seen the video it's it's horrifically

00:24:13.520 gory and it'll stay with you forever and he shows his kids in the class the video and then talks about

00:24:20.240 how he deserved it and and whatnot so it was you're right cory was shocking and just to see the

00:24:26.880 how high it got up in in the ivory towers of the of north america well these are the people that are

00:24:33.440 speaking to and influencing our children or our graduates you know people are going to be the next

00:24:38.480 generation and that that hatred like elise seeing the word and we've watched it for years getting

00:24:45.840 bandied about more and more fascist nazi those two words and they're getting applied to everybody

00:24:50.800 in every circumstance and if you actually believe if you really actually believe at the core of your

00:24:54.960 person that this person is the up and coming reincarnation of adolf hitler you know people always

00:25:00.000 just do that mental exercise if you could go back in time to austria and take out hitler would you do so

00:25:05.520 if some mentally unstable people are truly convinced that pundits like charlie kirk are representing

00:25:11.840 something that evil they feel almost a duty to take it on themselves to take it out like this has been

00:25:17.600 fed over time and and the the attitude of academia dancing on his grave kind of proves that out yeah it

00:25:27.040 you know what after the shock and i i think we were all together a week ago today and all of us saw that

00:25:33.680 video and i it has really stayed with me it is incredibly graphic and i almost wish i hadn't seen it

00:25:41.520 um i think i'm still in shock that he's no longer with us i've talked to a lot of my republican friends

00:25:47.120 uh from north carolina to texas to um to washington dc and i'll and oklahoma and um and i'll say that it's

00:25:58.640 riveting it it it it it's it we're not riveting it's ricocheting between um with all of us and to

00:26:06.400 see what what has transpired on the left is absolutely stomach churning but i want to bring

00:26:13.200 something up that that i think charlie's death um and again i only knew him superficially from the time

00:26:19.920 that i attended some of his conferences or fundraisers or things like that but he was just a force to

00:26:26.160 reckon with and i was very envious of his skill set but i want to bring something up that i've

00:26:31.040 noticed and it brought back to the industry of outrage and these rage entrepreneurs and it happens

00:26:37.680 on the right as much as it happens on the left and but with the left it's paid for and co-signed by

00:26:44.240 public institutions union leaders you name it but we see it on twitter and we saw it um especially spike

00:26:51.360 prior to the federal election where expertise goes out the window people that uh people are

00:26:58.160 trying to emulate charlie or charlie kirk or um give the lefty version of charlie kirk but without

00:27:04.080 any of the competencies that any of us sitting here have and definitely the competencies he has

00:27:10.400 and what they are doing left and right is rage baiting um and what concerns me is that charlie knew how

00:27:16.720 to bring people in that were disaffected disassociating from society or from the the and

00:27:23.360 i don't want to i should be careful how i say that contributing to politics in their in their countries

00:27:29.360 that were disconnected from community and family and faith and he brought that anger that outrage and

00:27:35.360 that frustration in and through his immense skill set his comprehension of history politics and legislation

00:27:44.560 and law in america and other places he was able to redirect those young people and now some of

00:27:52.000 those older people to a positive contribution get involved at your local level get involved in your

00:27:58.800 community go back to church put the phone down get married have kids what concerns me is that we've

00:28:06.320 seen a rash in canada including people pretending to say that they were putting together a turning

00:28:12.480 point canada chapter which is absolutely not true um and they're trying to they're pulling this grift

00:28:20.000 on becoming the next charlie kirk and when you go through these huge um twitter accounts and and

00:28:27.760 youtube accounts you see that they're they're grifting on these three-word leads that are gotcha leads

00:28:34.480 but when you watch them they have absolutely no expertise no experience no understanding of how this

00:28:40.080 country works no understanding how the law works and so my concern is that when you when they're getting

00:28:45.520 something like 250 000 views and they have you know half a million people following them or 250 000

00:28:51.920 people following them whether they're left or right they are really just housing rage in their

00:28:58.160 subscribers where is that rage going and i think that is contributing to a lot of what we're seeing

00:29:05.680 and how that business model works on the right is very different than how it works on the left

00:29:10.720 and i think we need to have a conversation about it i love that people especially on the conservative

00:29:16.080 side you saw um you know a huge bloom of young people becoming conservative activists but there is

00:29:23.920 you still have to put the time in you still have to understand how this country works you still have

00:29:28.560 to tell the truth you you can't rage bait that is not going to get us anywhere on the left that has

00:29:34.400 been a cottage industry for over a decade it is now a multi-million dollar industry and it is

00:29:40.640 pushed along by the public institutions it's pushed along by certain leaderships and definitely the

00:29:45.920 union leadership so i want us to start thinking about what we can do in the name of the best of

00:29:52.880 charlie kirk and for me that's something that i'm going to continue to foster or focus in on and try and

00:29:59.120 break down um and it's going to be a difficult thing to do sometimes because those people might

00:30:04.480 be sitting on the same side of the fence that i'm voting on or that i'm speaking to but we can't

00:30:10.800 continue to support these types of accounts and these types of um events that are that are going on

00:30:17.840 in the name of charlie kirk sorry guys it's my rant of the week that's all right uh so so i mean

00:30:25.360 to carry further from it i mean um at least mentioned i mean it's the online thing the

00:30:30.960 world's changed the the immediacy with which we can communicate the way that even a small player can

00:30:36.240 suddenly turn into a very large one if they grab the right social media audience at the right time

00:30:40.000 but it doesn't mean they're going to be responsibly using that platform or or or making people get

00:30:45.760 along better i mean one of the counters to that was rallies getting in person speeches we do them now and

00:30:51.680 then what i fear coming out of this a bit if we see these things happening is a chill

00:30:56.160 and people not wanting to go to these in-person events any longer whether it's audience members

00:31:00.320 or speakers i mean you it's not been a high risk in canada but you still might wonder at the back of

00:31:06.080 your head is that sky in the back of the audience over there pacing is he just really got to go to the

00:31:11.840 washroom or is he getting a rifle ready uh this could really harm discourse and and our that you know

00:31:20.240 humanity we dehumanize when we go online when we're in person we can't do that yeah well i mean

00:31:25.760 use the word dehumanizing like you use it accurately in this situation because there is something inhuman

00:31:33.440 about taking that such delight in the distress or the death of another person i mean years ago they used

00:31:41.040 to say don't speak ill of the dead well you know that was a at a time when there was very different ethos

00:31:48.320 that was respected in society it didn't mean everybody went to church but it doesn't it did

00:31:53.840 mean that uh there was there was some sense of common decency you know where does that sense of common

00:31:59.360 decency come from and where has it now gone what i what i suspect i do think that uh the sheer immediacy of

00:32:08.880 social media has got a lot to do with it not everything because it only transmit what is there

00:32:16.800 but um when when mabe lincoln was shot in 1865 if anybody would say well good riddance to mabe lincoln

00:32:24.880 none of the papers would have reported it and that person would have had no loud speaker to speak with

00:32:32.080 so we get the impression that in past times those kinds of events were not commented on in the same

00:32:40.240 way well now of course you pull out your phone and the next minute you're you're you're telling what

00:32:45.760 you really feel to to the whole world you get 90 000 100 000 people doing that it starts to look like

00:32:52.240 something well sorry don't go ahead one of the scary things to me was how quickly he seemed to become

00:32:58.560 indoctrinated with all the left-wing uh stuff you know he only recently started uh to talk to his

00:33:05.200 father about uh uh you know how he didn't like charlie kirk uh he told his transgendered furry friend

00:33:12.640 lover uh that it was he'd been planning this for five days so that's nuts you know it's very very quick

00:33:19.840 that his mind sort of snapped uh you know it wasn't a case of years and years and years i don't think

00:33:25.920 more will come out uh you know as the case goes forward but he seemed to become quite deranged

00:33:32.000 very quickly you know i gotta go to a little bit religious on you here for just a half a second

00:33:37.280 but you go back in the old testament you look what happened to the prophets pretty well all of them

00:33:43.200 they tend to get murdered were murdered who murdered them people who didn't like what they said who

00:33:48.480 murdered charlie kirk people didn't like what he said kirk is known for being a republican but he's

00:33:55.760 also known for being a very a very outspoken christian apologist something like the prophets

00:34:01.680 were spoken apologists for jehovah in the times they lived you go through society uh and you go for

00:34:09.280 history and you see these periods where when revolutions happened we remember the revolution for what it was

00:34:17.120 what we don't often focus on is the hatred for god that undermine that underlay these uh these

00:34:25.120 revolutions in the french revolution there were thousands of priests who were murdered churches

00:34:30.160 were closed people chased away in the russian revolution same thing and you know you could go on

00:34:37.120 you could talk about china and that's not a good place to try and start a church at the moment

00:34:43.120 so people tend to hate what it is that they perceive about uh about the god of the bible and reject the

00:34:51.600 people who stand for it charlie kirk i would submit as a perfect example in our own day it certainly is

00:34:59.040 and and i i mean it's go ahead to lisa i i was gonna say um i i think a lot of cons well conservative

00:35:07.760 women in my position uh especially when i was doing a lot of national tv or american tv and the left in

00:35:14.960 canada didn't like it um the left and including union leaders had no problem shoving me or or

00:35:22.720 or getting physical with female conservatives i think michelle rempel went through some scary moments

00:35:29.120 i know i did my child was locked in a classroom by a social studies teacher with all of her classmates

00:35:36.000 and he berated her that your mother's a fascist i happened to be in the building for a meeting with

00:35:41.040 the principal i when when i found out what was happening i bounded up those stairs he was talking

00:35:47.680 about chavez he was i mean he was he's absolutely crazy you know what he's still a teacher and i was

00:35:54.720 manipulated into believing that he was going to be leaving the profession forced to leave the profession

00:36:00.800 they put him on a luxury vacation essentially the next time i see him he shows up in a range rover in

00:36:07.120 the school parking lot i'm not driving a range rover and he's terrorizing my child um in british

00:36:13.120 i always assumed it was a british columbia thing uh when i worked with gordon campbell and the bc liberals

00:36:18.640 there um i took a lot of heat um there was one union that posted on social media my face on a dartboard

00:36:26.640 so i can really relate to that fear and stepping away from national commentary or any sort of public role

00:36:34.880 i needed to for my mental health and for the safety of my family especially when my daughter was

00:36:40.880 particularly young i'm not so sure that uh until recently men have had those experiences and it seems

00:36:47.520 to be uh left having a serious problem with the right and not caring if they get physical if they

00:36:55.920 threaten you if your child is threatened if your family is hurt um there were lots of times and my

00:37:01.680 father wasn't a man that i saw cry very often but he was so excited to see me on tv and to be from

00:37:08.560 british columbia and rallying for the west but he couldn't watch it anymore because he would see

00:37:14.720 the threats of violence and to see him tear up was absolutely devastating and he was an immigrant to

00:37:22.000 this country and he always told me to be canadian is a privilege not a right use your voice he he

00:37:27.840 professed to the same um ideologies as charlie kirk which was you know faith family community give

00:37:34.480 something back and don't judge unless your backyard is absolutely perfect so i came from that and so to

00:37:40.800 pull away from that i have to say it's been a hard thing in my life but i'm not the only one and i think

00:37:47.120 about your you gentlemen and my role what are we going to be doing next and if anything i was absolutely

00:37:53.280 devastated by charlie's death but it has absolutely fired me up to understand that i have a voice and

00:37:59.600 i have a role in this and all of us on the screen here do today the western standard is going to play

00:38:05.680 an important role in reshaping these conversations too we never surrender we never back down you know

00:38:13.200 elise the right is quite happy to let the left be the left why isn't the left happy to let the right

00:38:19.440 be the right well that's just that mark of extremism on either side i think exactly we're

00:38:26.880 tolerant you know you want you want to go and think about stuff go ahead yeah there's fringes on each

00:38:31.840 side of it but the left does seem more inclined to be outside the door with the air horns trying to

00:38:36.160 shut down discourse rather than just except right well i'll tell you the greatest example of that is

00:38:44.000 try and be a conservative pundit on cbc or ctv on those political talk shows it is us conservatives

00:38:51.520 that are constantly tempered we hold back and we take quite a beating many times on our positions

00:38:58.560 especially maybe not so much now but up until at least a year ago you're much more quiet you have

00:39:04.400 to be more engaged you have to be more polite you have to go that extra mile uh because uh let's face

00:39:10.960 that nobody wants to hear your ideas on those shows yeah yeah well so getting to media responsibility

00:39:17.200 i'll kind of say way that in as dave was talking on my show i kind of stole his parting shot but i think

00:39:21.600 it ties in this discussion and you've been in media longer than any of us ctv just put out i mean

00:39:27.760 talk about pouring gasoline onto an already divisive fire could you explain the headline those those

00:39:33.120 those clowns put out last night yeah it was uh ctv national one that i think the headline exactly said

00:39:39.680 uh black man found hanged in tree in mississippi yeah right and myself and everybody else who knows

00:39:48.640 anything about the history of uh the southern united states immediately goes back to mississippi

00:39:54.400 burning and lynchings and and stuff like that it was a deliberate clickbait headline uh that was just so

00:40:02.400 very misleading it's one of the more disgusting ones i've seen because it turned out the poor the poor guy

00:40:08.160 had had hung himself it was suicide uh police said there were no uh uh no foul play whatsoever but

00:40:16.640 the headline writer wrote black man found hanged in tree if it was a white man do you think it would

00:40:22.480 say white man found hang in tree i don't think so and typically we don't report suicides why don't

00:40:27.360 they even feel compelled to cover this i mean i i could see clickbait of the old days the national

00:40:32.400 inquire with bat boy found out in the woods okay you're trying to shallowly draw traffic to your

00:40:38.880 publication but this is something where you're drenching a country that's had race riots not in

00:40:45.760 the distant past i mean we're talking st louis uh minneapolis and to imply we know unfortunately

00:40:53.280 that people often just read the headline and they don't go much further you know darn well whoever a ctv

00:40:57.760 person would but who's ever held accountable on that you know everybody got mad at ctv and they

00:41:01.840 just do it again this is a big problem well this is where you need to call up uh anybody who's

00:41:07.360 offended needs to call up ctv and jam their jam their switchboards just like uh the uh radio canada

00:41:15.040 uh journalist who said hollywood is run by jews and uh canadian cities are run by jews i mean she got

00:41:22.160 run off the air almost instantaneously suspended mind you not fired uh stephen yibo was putting out

00:41:30.480 statements the jewish organizations were putting out statements so that's because of the the outrage

00:41:36.800 that if nobody was outraged they wouldn't have said a thing so it is it pay canadians don't complain

00:41:44.160 you know you get your meal and it's not very good the waiter comes over says how is everything oh it's

00:41:48.720 fine complain start complaining start phoning these people true enough and it's not like these these

00:41:54.720 statements and these actions of charlie kirk have come without consequences for a lot of them

00:41:58.480 uh there have been some professors it looks like might be uh at least buried uh from from any uh

00:42:04.480 profile positions any longer it seems almost impossible to get them fired unless you're francis

00:42:08.480 widdowson uh but otherwise tenure protects them but there there has they haven't gotten away with nothing

00:42:15.440 for the most part so i guess there's a little bit to be taken you know there's a very interesting

00:42:19.200 comment in uh one of our rival newspapers this morning um i'll name it was the national post and

00:42:25.760 the uh the argument was that once about a time uh canada was sort of more or less the same thing and

00:42:33.600 the cbc had a unified audience to which they tried to speak now there are so many divisions within

00:42:40.800 canadian society that cbc doesn't and can't and won't try to engage them all so it just goes with

00:42:48.800 the audience that it understands which is sort of slightly left of center a little bit middle of the

00:42:57.120 road and uh they they speak to them and if you're outside that particular cohort then the cbc's got

00:43:06.480 nothing to say for you i may have bastardized the poor guy's argument but that was the that was the

00:43:11.040 essence yeah all right well as we get towards wrapping things up here only kind of got through

00:43:16.400 a couple subjects but i'll get uh a parting shot from elise uh what have you got for us today

00:43:23.040 well i i just want to say very quickly as we you know earlier in the show uh talked about the uh

00:43:29.600 deficit and what's going to be happening to canada and whether we're going to actually

00:43:33.520 be in a technical recession and i just want to say that this was completely avoidable and that this

00:43:38.960 is one of the greatest examples of negligence by a canadian government that i can remember i i grew up

00:43:45.280 with my father talking about the uh trials and tribulations of being under the thumb in western

00:43:51.840 canada of pierre trudeau but i think this supersedes any of the disgust that that generation would

00:43:59.040 carried from those times this is going to be an absolutely horrific time for every single canadian

00:44:06.160 that doesn't matter if you're a senior or you're starting your life out uh it everybody is going

00:44:12.880 to feel this pain and somewhat we only have ourselves to blame but it was completely avoidable all right

00:44:22.080 nigel what would you like to leave us with this well you know again harking back to the the news this

00:44:27.040 morning the the the news was that there's a 500 000 grant issued by the federal government to some

00:44:36.720 organization to do what to increase the uh diversity among truck drivers now i don't know whether you've

00:44:46.000 paid much attention to um to uh to to truck stops recently but i think they met their diversity targets

00:44:55.440 in spades maybe they should give the money to the cat drivers association as well yeah there's not

00:45:00.560 enough diversity in that it's insane the areas they find a spot to spend money and uh so dave i already

00:45:07.920 kind of stole your pretty shot or we already had that pop out oh i got another one okay what do we got

00:45:14.000 tongs are wagging in ottawa cory more departures from the carny government cabinet ministers bill blair

00:45:21.200 apparently set to resign he'll get a nice plum job in london at the high commission and stephen gilbo

00:45:28.560 is set to go but he's going to do a jagmeet singh and hang in there until his pension uh becomes vested

00:45:36.320 and i believe that's in either october or november and then he'll go and we can all rejoice and say

00:45:42.000 good riddance great well we look forward to seeing the back side of galbone so whatever the clown comes in

00:45:47.920 to replace him all right well at least dave nigel thank you very much and uh thank all of you guys

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