Western Standard - September 09, 2021


The Pipeline： People's Party Rising, Leaders debate, O'toole supports Liberal gun grab


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Maxime Bernier's rise in the polls, the People's Party gaining ground, and a new position on gun rights from Erno Toole. All that and much more on this week's Western Standard Pipeline.

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00:02:00.000 Thank you.
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00:03:00.000 Good day, I'm Derek Fildeburn, publisher of the Western Standard, and today is September
00:03:30.000 I think it's the 8th. Yeah, it's the 8th.
00:03:32.000 Welcome to The Pipeline.
00:03:34.000 I'm joined today in the studio by Western Center,
00:03:38.000 Alberta political columnist and host of The Cory Morgan Show, Cory Morgan.
00:03:42.000 Hey, how's it going?
00:03:44.000 Not bad. Good.
00:03:46.000 Not bad, although stamps keep losing.
00:03:48.000 Stamps keep losing.
00:03:50.000 I brought, they were playing the Elks,
00:03:52.000 our illiterate animal friends from Edmonton.
00:03:56.000 from edmonton yes yeah and i brought my elk mating call to the game calling ian uh luckily no actual
00:04:04.000 elks came at me that's normally what i'm trying to do is get the elks at me yeah didn't work um
00:04:09.520 and of course we're joined by western standard news editor dave naylor who is out in beautiful
00:04:15.040 british columbia today how you doing dave i'm good guys i was a bit worried there derek you were gonna
00:04:19.840 to make some sort of comment about the Edmonton cheerleaders. I actually didn't. I didn't hear
00:04:26.200 that. You said something about Edmonton cheerleaders. All I heard was something about cheerleaders.
00:04:29.520 Now I'm aroused. Sorry, I was just thinking with your elk calling apparatus, I thought that's what
00:04:38.240 you may be getting into. Just wanted to stop you. Whatever floats your boat. Yeah, if you could draw
00:04:43.300 those across the field. There we go. Today we're going to be discussing the rise of the People's
00:04:49.620 Party, moving from a party that's been in the margin of error, essentially, in polls
00:04:56.040 since it was created in the kind of the 1% to 2% range, really into an area now where
00:05:02.620 it's easily surpassing the Green Party, matching or sometimes surpassing even the Bloc Quebecois.
00:05:08.920 So we'll be discussing what's happening with the People's Party.
00:05:11.960 Very interesting story there.
00:05:14.380 And tying that in, we're going to talk about the leaders debate coming up tomorrow.
00:05:17.440 I should say the one English debate.
00:05:19.000 We've had at least one or two French.
00:05:21.420 There's another French one, and we're going to get one English debate tomorrow.
00:05:27.140 But, yeah, Maxime Bernier of the People's Party, not invited despite their strength in the polls.
00:05:32.620 Pretty interesting stuff.
00:05:34.780 And we're going to be discussing Erno Toole's latest position on gun rights.
00:05:42.200 Not one I'm a fan of.
00:05:43.980 No.
00:05:44.400 No.
00:05:46.240 It's a real shame.
00:05:47.440 But Aaron O'Toole flip-flopping on gun rights, he's like a fish on the dock right now, different positions every day.
00:05:53.340 One day I... his position's okay, one day it's just the same as Justin Trudeau.
00:05:58.800 We're going to talk about that, what it could mean for the campaign.
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00:07:32.160 Well, let's jump into it.
00:07:33.560 We're going to begin with the rise of the People's Party, Maxime Bernier's party.
00:07:38.540 really coming up in the polls.
00:07:41.640 Dave, why don't you set the stage?
00:07:44.200 If you remember, Derek, before the election,
00:07:47.060 Bernier was hosting rallies of, oh, good, half a dozen people,
00:07:51.180 including one in Manitoba that he got arrested for
00:07:54.220 during the COVID crackdown.
00:07:57.160 Now he's drawing hundreds and thousands of people.
00:08:00.480 He did a tour across the West last week,
00:08:04.620 which started out in B.C., and the crowds were fairly large,
00:08:09.240 and he ended up in Manitoba on a farmer's field,
00:08:12.840 and there was, by some estimates, 5,000 people there.
00:08:16.920 It just looked like a huge crowd.
00:08:19.360 Obviously, his support is growing amongst the non-vaccine passport crowd,
00:08:27.220 which Bernier is firmly against.
00:08:30.040 His popularity is rising across the country.
00:08:33.120 In Alberta, he's taken over second place in some areas.
00:08:39.000 In Quebec, I think there's a chance that he may even take his seat,
00:08:46.360 which is an incredible increase when you think over the last three weeks
00:08:50.980 when he's gone from speaking to a small crowd, a handful of people,
00:08:56.100 to literally thousands and thousands of people.
00:08:59.180 He's really on an upward growth.
00:09:00.760 It, uh, Corey, it's quite remarkable, uh, how much they've grown, uh, I mean, the last
00:09:08.300 election, they were approximately 2%. They've been bumping around 1% to 2% in most polls
00:09:13.360 since, actually, a lot of pollsters even stopped polling for them. They were so low. Um, they've,
00:09:19.420 he's, Bernie has been largely ignored by most of the media for the last two years, but since
00:09:24.100 the last election, I mean, he didn't have a seat, so he didn't have a, uh, a place in
00:09:27.760 the House of Commons, that really hurts your voice, and leader not having a seat is a pretty
00:09:31.960 tough spot for a lot of, obviously, especially newer and smaller parties.
00:09:36.640 But now he's polling consistently, the lowest polls have him at four, which is higher than
00:09:41.920 the Green Party at three. But most polls have him between four and six. Some are even showing
00:09:48.580 them growing towards eight. It's quite an increase. At this level, he actually would
00:09:53.900 stand a chance of taking his seat back in
00:09:55.940 Beauce in Quebec.
00:09:58.520 I'd personally be surprised
00:10:00.080 if they would win anything outside
00:10:01.960 of that, but they, you know,
00:10:03.520 at 8%, they're probably going to get some
00:10:06.080 second places in Alberta, maybe
00:10:07.840 Saskatchewan, odd little pocket
00:10:10.160 here and there across the rest of the country.
00:10:13.020 What do you think is
00:10:13.940 driving these numbers
00:10:15.640 when, you know,
00:10:18.160 I think it's probably fair to say the average
00:10:20.240 PPC supporter
00:10:21.340 hates Trudeau with the fire of a thousand furies, but they're not voting Conservative,
00:10:28.740 which is the, you know, if your only goal is just to get rid of Trudeau,
00:10:32.560 Conservative is probably the easiest way to do that.
00:10:35.520 What do you think is driving this?
00:10:37.320 Well, and I mean, Maxim's run a very good campaign.
00:10:40.060 It's surprisingly solid.
00:10:41.080 He's crossing the country, speaking to people.
00:10:42.880 He's consistent.
00:10:43.800 He's a skilled, intelligent guy.
00:10:45.700 So, I mean, you know, it's not a fringe leader coming out of nowhere,
00:10:48.000 and he's been around.
00:10:48.660 He's a little more familiar this time to people.
00:10:50.340 But the main thing is the other parties created a base for him.
00:10:54.140 Like he didn't pull it in himself.
00:10:55.440 They gave it to him.
00:10:56.800 Every party now basically is supporting some form of essentially mandated or coerced vaccination.
00:11:02.900 They're talking about passports.
00:11:04.860 They're, you know, people who are concerned about those things have nowhere else to turn.
00:11:08.860 And the PPC is there saying we will not, without doubt, like they're saying clearly we don't support that.
00:11:15.340 We support individual rights.
00:11:16.580 And that's a very motivated voter group.
00:11:19.440 I mean, these are people who feel they have no other home.
00:11:21.860 He's providing them one, and he's not drawing just from the conservatives.
00:11:25.700 You know, the Greens collapsed, and I mean, I'm writing about that,
00:11:28.100 but those had, you know, your person who would go to the naturopath
00:11:31.540 for their healing and things like that,
00:11:33.640 and now it sounds like they might lose their job if they don't get a vaccination.
00:11:37.060 They're cornered, and the Green Party obviously isn't going to help them any,
00:11:40.580 so again, they're coming to Maxime Bernier.
00:11:42.380 And then among traditional conservatives, he's getting that as well
00:11:45.520 because O'Toole is pivoting farther and farther left all the time
00:11:49.240 in response to everything, whether it's the carbon tax or the gun control and firearm
00:11:56.420 rights.
00:11:57.420 Again, he alienates little pockets of conservatives every time he does that.
00:12:00.980 And Maxime's happily pulling them all in.
00:12:02.960 It's going to be interesting because momentum is everything.
00:12:04.620 I mean, it's not like he's going to sweep and get a majority out of this race, but he
00:12:08.140 is really on the move right now.
00:12:10.740 It does look right now as if there's only two parties with any momentum.
00:12:16.400 The Conservatives with Erin O'Toole are, you know, they've come from no chance of winning
00:12:21.080 to, you know, a very slim lead.
00:12:23.920 As it is right now, I mean, they stand a small chance of winning the most seats, even though
00:12:29.200 their vote's not very efficient.
00:12:31.120 It's clustered in the West.
00:12:32.120 Even though they've come down in the West, they were coming from such a high that the
00:12:38.320 vote's still relatively inefficient.
00:12:40.300 But they're nowhere near a majority government right now in most polls.
00:12:42.960 Some polls have them a little closer.
00:12:43.860 No, like the way the votes lay out, we know that they need to significantly pass the Liberals in popular support in order to actually even win a minority government.
00:12:51.860 And they're getting there, but they're not there yet.
00:12:53.820 Yeah, so, you know, the Conservatives got some momentum.
00:12:56.320 Well, that appears to be perhaps stalling a bit.
00:12:59.580 Seems to have capped.
00:13:00.080 I mean, it may have hit a bit of a roof.
00:13:04.600 The PPC, though, they have had steady growth throughout.
00:13:08.620 Obviously, they've got no chance of forming government, but, you know, a lot of people don't understand their own system.
00:13:12.840 You don't actually vote for a government. You vote for a member of parliament.
00:13:17.020 And the member of parliament actually votes for who is the government.
00:13:20.260 I mean, the default is the biggest party gets to be that, but that's not actually how the system works.
00:13:25.200 And I'd say probably less than 1% of Canadians genuinely understand how the system works.
00:13:32.660 Dave, I know you're on the news side, but from your observations, what do you think is driving this?
00:13:37.680 And do you think that that support is going to hold up on election day?
00:13:41.080 or do you think a lot of those people are just going to get scared of Justin Trudeau and kind
00:13:44.960 of run back to the Tory mothership? Yeah, we've still got two weeks to go, Derek, and two weeks
00:13:52.020 is a lifetime in politics. I think it's purely being driven by vaccine hatred. You've seen these
00:14:00.320 crowds building over the years, over the last couple of years. And in Montreal, they had tens
00:14:06.180 of thousands of people marching in the streets last weekend against COVID passports.
00:14:13.400 It's a huge groundswell of anger against these things that are basically being brought in
00:14:20.720 across the country. British Columbia was the latest one to bring them in yesterday. And there
00:14:25.960 is a good chunk of the population that hate these things, that vow to never take part in the
00:14:32.480 program. And to me, that's what's driving Bernier's popularity at the moment. So whether that stalls
00:14:38.120 or whether it increases, I think remains to be seen over the last two weeks. Yeah. Well, let's
00:14:45.420 then turn it towards the leaders debate. I think that's a pretty easy segue. I think all three are
00:14:51.180 pretty easy segues today. The first English, the first and only English leaders debate is coming
00:14:57.760 up tomorrow. Invited by the federal government's debate commission is Liberal Prime Minister
00:15:07.680 Justin Trudeau, Conservative leader Aaron O'Toole, NDP leader Jagmeet Singh, Bloc-Québécois
00:15:14.120 leader Yves-something-something-Blachette, and Green leader NMA Paul, although Paul is
00:15:24.360 running less, well, of course the bloc leader doesn't run a national campaign, of course.
00:15:31.280 He runs a campaign in Quebec as expected, but at least he's moving around and doing
00:15:35.900 stuff. But the green leader, Anna Mae Paul, has not left her downtown Toronto constituency
00:15:42.600 once that we're aware of in the entire campaign. She is invited and she is in some polls running
00:15:47.920 at half of the popularity of the People's Party right now, yet Maxime Bernier is not
00:15:53.600 invited. Of course, the Maverick Party is not invited, but their popularity is, I think,
00:16:00.860 maybe we'll actually, we're going to have to talk a bit about them at some point here, but
00:16:03.820 they've really, the Maverick Party has seemed to have kind of failed to really catch much traction.
00:16:09.840 They're not really catching on with voters right now. That kind of discontented vote across Canada,
00:16:16.040 but particularly in the West, seems to be going more to the People's Party. So obviously,
00:16:19.660 maverick is not invited but even uh maxime bernier is not invited uh dave uh what's the reasoning
00:16:27.020 behind that why do you think uh why is it that maxime bernier has been uh excluded from the
00:16:32.220 leaders debate and what what can we expect tomorrow well the the the the community that oversees this
00:16:39.180 has said they have a set policy on who they invite obviously the prime minister and the
00:16:45.180 opposition parties get in. You have to have a seat in Parliament, which is the big thing that's
00:16:51.580 keeping Bernier out. And, you know, they have a list of their own criteria that Bernier at the
00:16:57.980 time failed to meet. I think if they had gone back two more weeks or gone ahead two more weeks,
00:17:04.120 they may have reconsidered it and let him in. But the Canadian federal debates are,
00:17:10.760 they're hit and miss uh there are some that uh that produce a punch you know a good punch line
00:17:17.940 like uh uh you know the the uh there was a mulrooney and you sir had a choice to uh to john
00:17:25.100 turner over his uh his patronage can we talk about a single debate once anywhere in the media that's
00:17:30.560 not the mulrooney turner you had a choice debate that is the go-to for absolutely every canadian 0.95
00:17:36.100 it is such an exception. Debates in Canada suck. They do. And that was my point. That's the only 0.99
00:17:42.060 one you can think of. And how many years ago was that? The debates in Canada are a terrible format.
00:17:48.100 I wasn't born. That just don't allow a good debate. They should be limited to maybe three
00:17:55.860 people maximum to try and get some back and forth going between the political leaders.
00:18:02.540 But the way they've got it now, it's just a mess.
00:18:05.820 And for me, the biggest travesty is the English debate tomorrow night.
00:18:10.240 They're not going to talk about foreign affairs.
00:18:13.020 And what was the biggest question during the first two weeks?
00:18:15.240 What could be going on?
00:18:16.560 What was the biggest question during the first two weeks of the campaign?
00:18:19.840 It was the Liberals' mess in Afghanistan.
00:18:22.600 And Trudeau calling the election the day the country fell back into the hands of the Taliban. 0.94
00:18:27.140 And all the Canadian, some Canadian citizens and Afghans who helped Canadians now stuck there. 0.98
00:18:33.820 It was an absolute mess.
00:18:35.700 But guess what they're not talking about tomorrow night?
00:18:38.380 Afghanistan.
00:18:39.380 And to me, that's a disgrace, Derek.
00:18:43.400 Corey, this is actually only the second time in Canadian history there's been any actual rules around who gets into a debate or not.
00:18:53.040 Normally, it's just been a consortium of media and they get to pick who's in or not.
00:18:56.100 It's very ad hoc.
00:18:58.760 You know, I remember when I was in politics, they literally changed the rules to keep me
00:19:02.260 out from about 40 years of precedent, but Alberta had no debate commission.
00:19:08.500 I actually don't have that much of a problem with there being a debate commission, but
00:19:13.680 the rules have got to be fair around it.
00:19:16.300 And the debate commission seems to get to make up its own rules for who gets in and
00:19:21.680 who does not.
00:19:22.760 I mean, obviously, if it's just done by the media, then that actually gives the party, the big party leaders more say about who gets in or not.
00:19:32.900 You know, because then Aaron O'Toole could say, well, I'm not going to go if, you know, Bernier or Maverick is there.
00:19:40.740 I think it's actually good to take it out of the hands of the politicians to decide.
00:19:44.060 They shouldn't get to decide who they get to debate.
00:19:47.860 But it's inherently, I think, a tough task.
00:19:50.340 I mean, are we going to invite the rhinoceros?
00:19:53.600 I'd actually like to see the rhinoceros party there.
00:19:55.520 But, you know, it's probably not a very serious thing if you're going to have a decent debate.
00:19:59.580 Are we going to have, like, there's like 50 or 80 registered political parties out there.
00:20:05.600 You can't invite every single one.
00:20:07.360 Otherwise, everyone gets 10 seconds and no one's going to bother watching the thing.
00:20:11.960 But do you think the debate commission is out of line in excluding Bernier here?
00:20:17.360 I don't know.
00:20:18.600 I mean, you know, just in the hindsight, seeing how much support he's gaining, I think it would
00:20:23.660 have been worthwhile to have him in because clearly he's representing. I mean, you know,
00:20:27.060 when you're looking at 8%, that's millions of Canadians. That's worth them seeing what he's
00:20:31.140 talking about. But they did set some criteria weeks ago and they made it public. You know,
00:20:37.500 it wasn't a hidden shadowy thing. And as far as anybody could tell at that time, he didn't meet
00:20:42.100 the bar. Kind of as Dave said, you know, we don't get good debates because I mean, when we did have
00:20:45.680 five candidates in the other one, it's difficult to have a good exchange of ideas. It's difficult
00:20:50.340 to have something that draws you in and draws your attention with that many people in a
00:20:54.760 room. It's unfortunate that he got locked out of it, but I can kind of see what happened
00:21:01.660 here anyway.
00:21:02.640 Well, I mean, if the goal is to keep the debate to a more manageable number, then perhaps
00:21:08.320 what they should do is kick out the green leader, who's running at about 2 or 3 percent
00:21:11.980 and hasn't left her constituency.
00:21:13.520 If we can go in hindsight, she is adding nothing.
00:21:15.520 She really is adding nothing.
00:21:16.820 BBC's even running more candidates than the Greens right now.
00:21:19.400 Their party is in such disarray, the reason she hasn't left her riding is her own party has defunded her.
00:21:23.720 She can't afford to leave her own bloody riding. 0.84
00:21:26.280 She's going to be there all alone.
00:21:27.360 Defund the leader.
00:21:29.100 She's going to have no party mechanism supporting her. 1.00
00:21:33.140 She will really, to be blunt, add absolutely nothing to the debate.
00:21:37.580 Yes, if you could swap her for Bernier, I think it would make much more sense.
00:21:40.860 I understand the hornet's nest if they tried at this point, but it would have been a much better debate for it,
00:21:45.860 much more representative of people that are actually running in a serious campaign in this country right now.
00:21:51.020 Yeah.
00:21:52.220 Okay, well, before we move on to the next segment, just a quick operating note for our team operating the cameras.
00:21:59.680 Let's zoom in on screens when one screen's talking and shrink the other one down a bit so people can see a bit more since we're doing split screen today.
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00:23:16.620 But we did, the Western-Centered Editorial Board did a review of the different parties'
00:23:26.000 platforms.
00:23:27.000 We went through the conservative platform.
00:23:28.560 I got to say, there was not a lot that stood out that I liked.
00:23:32.100 We had to grade that thing on a curb. 1.00
00:23:34.140 But one of the policies in there that did okay was their policies around gun rights.
00:23:40.480 If you're on the other side of the debate, you call it gun control.
00:23:45.220 Hand control for me is just learning how to grip a pistol, but if you, we went through
00:23:50.560 it and it was, I mean, I'm not, no party is ever going to promise me the firearms policy
00:23:57.520 I want.
00:23:58.520 I understand that.
00:23:59.520 So, you know, being reasonable, we went through, I think gave it a fair look.
00:24:02.800 On firearms, we gave it a B. Aaron O'Toole, the conservative platform committed to undoing
00:24:09.000 the arbitrary ban of 1,500 firearms in Alberta, sorry, in Canada, that the Liberals called
00:24:16.240 military-style assault weapons. Some of them, I was shocked to see were not banned. Panzerfaust
00:24:24.560 anti-tank rockets, some Soviet anti-air missiles, AA missiles, like incredible stuff. I didn't know
00:24:33.580 I could be shooting down Soviet attack helicopters like I was in 1980s Afghanistan, incredible 0.99
00:24:41.200 stuff apparently the Liberals protected us from.
00:24:42.960 There was a time that a yard wasn't a yard without a surface to air missile installation.
00:24:47.040 Back in the day, good times.
00:24:49.460 But they also banned the Ruger Mini, the AR-15, which does not stand for Assault Rifle 15,
00:24:54.580 I think it's Armor...
00:24:55.580 Armalite.
00:24:56.580 Armalite rifle.
00:24:58.540 But you know, try telling that to a Liberal.
00:25:02.740 this stuff just because it looks scary, yet virtually identical hunting rifles were not
00:25:09.020 illegal. They just looked less scary. You know, ones that had a, you know, like Grandpa's
00:25:12.380 Woodstock, you know, 30-odd-6 or something. That's fine. But a virtually identical rifle
00:25:18.440 that just had more of a black carbonite stock on it looks scarier. Banned. Aaron O'Toole
00:25:26.480 said, no, that's ridiculous. We're going to undo that. Essentially going back to the 0.77
00:25:30.080 status quo. But then in the French debate, Justin Trudeau and the block leader are going after him
00:25:38.160 and he says, I'm going to maintain the ban on assault weapons. And what he was doing there was
00:25:44.640 trying to happen both ways. He was correct. He's going to maintain the ban from 1977 brought in
00:25:51.820 by Trudeau I against actual automatic weapons. Anything that would be used by the military
00:25:57.340 other than a sidearm, was banned in 1977, the day really fun guns died.
00:26:05.280 And that's what he technically meant, but I think he was trying to get away with sounding in French and in Quebec
00:26:11.420 like he was more against guns than he was.
00:26:13.920 And that ended up really muddling the waters and allowed the liberals and the bloc and the NDP
00:26:21.500 to pounce on him, saying that he is going to repeal Justin Trudeau's ban on military assault weapons,
00:26:30.260 which were not military assault weapons, other than the Panzerfaust, of course,
00:26:33.680 which was always legal in Canada, you know.
00:26:37.160 So this is all a long way of coming around to Aaron O'Toole's epic flip-flop just the other day.
00:26:43.640 um dave uh tell us where we're at what is aaron o'toole's gun policy as of 12 24 mountain standard
00:26:53.420 time today uh the bottom line derek is i don't know we've been on on the air now for 24 minutes
00:27:01.380 and he may have changed it uh but uh before we went to uh before we went online uh his policy
00:27:09.140 was basically the same as the Liberal one.
00:27:12.580 You know, it was only a matter of time
00:27:15.380 before the Liberals grabbed their playbook
00:27:18.160 and said, oh, gun control,
00:27:20.260 and threw it out onto the campaign trail.
00:27:24.580 They obviously waited until they were behind in the polls
00:27:27.360 and then threw it out with all sorts of hysteria
00:27:30.780 that the blood will be flowing
00:27:32.440 and running down the streets of Canadian cities
00:27:35.480 because of what the Conservatives have got planned.
00:27:39.140 And talking to Rod Galata, the head of the aforementioned CCFR, he said, basically said that O'Toole did the only thing possible.
00:27:49.440 He sort of agreed just to get it off the table.
00:27:52.580 And if you look at it, I think O'Toole was successful.
00:27:56.240 I know you're going to disagree with me, Derek.
00:27:57.900 I know you think guns are the be-all and end-all of the campaign and it's the only issue out there.
00:28:04.060 I'm going to disagree with you and say that it's not.
00:28:06.200 I think that the Tories, what O'Toole said, basically did diffuse the idea.
00:28:13.320 And certainly the mainstream media pack that follow the leaders have moved on.
00:28:20.960 They're not focusing on gun control for days on end like they used to.
00:28:26.240 They seemed happy with O'Toole's answer and have moved on to different topics now.
00:28:32.400 I think, you know, they're onto carbon tax and home equity taxes and other things.
00:28:39.080 So Giltaka's assessment that O'Toole did what he had to do just to get it off the table, I think is correct.
00:28:48.900 He said it was a typical ploy from the election playbook of the Liberals.
00:28:54.320 It was expected. I'm sure the Tories expected it.
00:28:58.460 And I think they dealt with it the best they could.
00:29:02.400 Well, I mean, it's one way to get it off the table.
00:29:07.740 I don't know.
00:29:10.540 If I was, well, I won't go there.
00:29:15.160 It is one way to get it off the table, capitulate, adopt the liberal position, not talking about
00:29:20.320 it anymore.
00:29:21.960 It seems to me that there's another way to get it off the table, and that's not muddy
00:29:25.520 the waters to begin with.
00:29:26.840 Don't say one thing in English and another thing in French.
00:29:29.160 Don't try to, you know, don't try to have it both ways on absolutely everything.
00:29:35.600 I think there was a way for O'Toole from the beginning to say,
00:29:39.640 I am not ever going to legalize military assault rifles in Canada,
00:29:44.700 but the liberals have been lying to you.
00:29:47.720 They've been misclassifying legitimate sports shooting and hunting guns,
00:29:52.780 and I am not going to maintain their ban on legitimate, safe, legal firearms in Canada.
00:30:00.900 But that would have required him, I think, to do it from the very beginning.
00:30:04.520 Once he muddled that water, though, was there any way out of this other than capitulation?
00:30:09.060 Yeah, I think there still is.
00:30:10.520 Standing on principle still has bloody room in politics.
00:30:13.000 I'm sick of these guys turning and running as soon as they feel some pressure.
00:30:16.060 That's the first pressure O'Toole's felt in this campaign.
00:30:18.940 He's actually had it pretty good.
00:30:20.500 He's been doing all right.
00:30:21.900 And this, I'm sorry, but I'm sick of being lied to.
00:30:24.580 That was in clear writing in your platform,
00:30:27.180 not even the leadership, which you lied about
00:30:28.860 when you talked about the carbon tax.
00:30:30.800 You lied in your platform about repealing that bill
00:30:33.400 and you flip-flopped as soon as you got some backward pressure.
00:30:36.320 And I'm sorry, you know what?
00:30:37.560 You're a leader.
00:30:38.240 That means you stand up and you explain your position then.
00:30:40.940 You articulate it.
00:30:41.940 If you're getting beaten over the head a bit with it,
00:30:44.800 well, then you better figure out how to turn that around
00:30:46.940 and clarify it, as you said.
00:30:48.840 I mean, yes, politically, as Dave said,
00:30:50.420 probably the right move when you're looking at the path of least resistance but you know what
00:30:54.580 just because it works doesn't mean it's right and now again if you want to talk about i bet you
00:31:00.820 maxim smiled as his support numbers went up sure maybe only another two percent three percent it's
00:31:05.640 not winning in the election but those are points that come right out of the conservative party
00:31:09.520 there's a lot of conservative supporters who are very dedicated to their firearms whether for
00:31:14.020 hunting for hobby for collecting whatever reason they're very dedicated on that issue and there's
00:31:19.900 no way they're going to vote for a man who now has said, we're just going to adopt Trudeau's
00:31:24.520 position and commit to a review. That's kicking the can down the road. You know, I mean, he could
00:31:30.120 have done a better way of this. And I just, I have difficulty with this constant retreating. It just,
00:31:34.460 then you're indistinguishable from the liberals. I may as well vote for a liberal who's honest
00:31:37.560 about being a liberal, which I won't. Yeah. I don't know. It's damn disappointing. It was one
00:31:44.260 the few areas of the platform we could give the Tories decent marks. Already wasn't an A, it was
00:31:50.180 a B. I mean, to get an A, you need to do things that I actually don't expect any party to do.
00:31:55.540 Light artillery. I'm not asking for heavy artillery, just light howitzers, you know,
00:32:00.820 mortar. Bring back the Panzerfaust. I really, no backyard collections with that. For now,
00:32:06.500 I would have been satisfied with just at least, you know, again, sticking it or repealing that
00:32:09.780 policy and hey there's you know in saying it was a reactive piece of policy to a terrible tragedy
00:32:16.580 and mass shooting we had in canada which is extremely rare thankfully but insane we've got
00:32:21.140 room perhaps there are some firearms that may need new categorization it may change but the liberals
00:32:25.300 made a complete mess of that one and we're going to start from scratch and perhaps some some new
00:32:30.740 things are going to change but yeah legitimate hunting rebels like ruger mini just thrown in with
00:32:35.140 with machine guns that you'd see on an Abrams tank in Iraq.
00:32:44.140 Like, just wild stuff.
00:32:46.140 Yeah, it's frustrating.
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00:33:24.940 I'll talk to Jim.
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