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Join us as we discuss the latest shake-up in the Alberta government, including the departure of Finance Minister Nate Horner and Health Minister Matt Jones, as well as the announcement of a new Finance Minister, Jason Nixon.
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good evening i'm cory morgan and you are watching the pipeline this is
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western standards flagship show actually our oldest video production and it's a panel show
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where we're going to break down the breaking and top issues and there's just so much going on this
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week and we've shuffled our panels so that we have some different faces to at least one different
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face to talk about these things and yes i'm sitting in our usual host derek phildebrand's
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chair so to get into the issues and i'll just introduce everybody from my right to my left we've
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got our former opinion editor nigel hanaford still have opinions oh yes director of operations in
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food reviews still john sanders fire chief and fire chief may wears many many fire warden
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not chief don't promote yourself well i think yeah you gotta work i have to check what the
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building code is but i am fire something fire warden okay fire warden we're on the fire warden
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and our our ever harried and overworked news editor at the end there dave mailer hey gory good to be
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All right. So we'll get into what's just been breaking out and we're still chewing on. It appears, Dave, that our government's going to have some different faces in the front.
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We have a real-life cabinet shuffle going on as we speak.
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As first reported by our publisher a week or so ago,
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He's going to retire from politics, apparently.
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who's never held any sort of financial position before.
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Also out is Matt Jones, who had one of the health ministries.
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and he is also not going to run for re-election.
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the premier will introduce the new members of the cabinet,
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Well, yeah, I guess they really want to control
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some messaging right now i think they've got a message to control yes so nigel i guess start
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with you what do you think the motivations of a shuffle at this time might be well there's a few
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things it could be um if anybody is not 100 behind the premier on her dealings with mr carney that
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would certainly be a cause for removal uh i don't know whether that is the case with either of the
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two who have uh have um let's say what it is been sacked um another possibility is that it would deal
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with their positions on alberta independence the premier is trying to walk a very tight line and i
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think she wants to be sure that everybody who is in that inner circle is on exactly the same page
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as she was now again i don't know that mr horner and the other chap were not but uh those are the
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kinds of things that as premier i would be thinking about right now because the stakes are really high
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with the pipeline with the whether to put a whether to put the question to the the referendums
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on october the 19th so many things going on here yeah well with a lot going on i mean josh there's
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There's always rumors. I mean, do you think there's turmoil hiding back there?
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I mean, this government's actually been pretty good as far as conservative governments go
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without seeing too many cabinet ministers or others suddenly flying off the handle
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or calling out the premier or anything like that.
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But it doesn't mean that they haven't kept some hot words behind closed doors.
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Yeah, and I think the timing of this announcement is a part of the story.
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It's, you know, on the eve tomorrow, they will be,
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uh daniel smith will be likely having a televised uh address to the province on the upcoming
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independence referendum whether they go along with thomas lukasic's referendum or tweak the
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wording is irrelevant in this case i think there is a large uh maybe not large but a segment of
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ucp mlas cabinet ministers staff that don't want to see this referendum move forward and i think
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that's what we're seeing here is is maybe not necessarily a public explosion but something
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where you know for the premier is trying to tighten up her ship has checked is checking
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loyalties and changes are being made as a result now we only know two are going two are coming out
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and one is going in we don't know the broader shift of the shuffle we don't know um about any
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of the other portfolios I'm guessing that given you have a subtraction of one there will be some
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shuffling maybe they will add another cabinet minister but I think this is just the premier
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kind of buttoning things up in cabinet and making sure that everybody is on board with the line that
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she is walking which is like Nigel said it's a tightrope you've got on one hand those who seek
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independence on the other you have those who want to remain in Canada and I think what she's trying
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to do is walk that middle line of people who are not necessarily ready to vote to leave but are
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you know not happy with the way things are and they have significant grievances with the federal
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government so which which side these two mlas go on is is or set is a is a secondary question
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thomas lukasic of note uh tweeted earlier today that neither horner nor jones support having an
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independence referendum at all and align with his view that his quote-unquote citizen initiated
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referendum petition uh that isn't actually a referendum petition somehow i don't know how
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the logic works on that but then again i'm not in thomas's head but if that's what he's saying
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then i think there's a potential link that maybe these two mlas weren't supportive of the government's
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position and are resigning as a result even though their letters won't say that oh dave
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have you seen if uh i mean they say you're stepping away from politics but there's two
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ways that would go does that mean one of them or both of them might be saying well i'm up next week
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and we're going to need a by-election or are they looking to write it out in the back bench i think
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jones is looking to write it out in the back bench and i think uh horner will uh likely uh want to
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go quickly you know going from finance minister to back bencher it's a bit of a as a as nigel quite
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follower, the better, I think, for the Premier.
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authority not just in cabinet but in caucus and in in government if there is right now
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there are so many people who are playing with the idea of separation independence
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and they want to feel that there is going to be a result now if there is a pipeline approved
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and we and we can take it seriously a lot of that support is going to
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to fall away i have to i have to think the premier is hoping that the process that she's worked out
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with mr carney last friday is going to give her that escape route we won't have to act on it
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because oh everything's all right the independence numbers are down to 19 from 35 you know issue has
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gone away but if it doesn't go away well then it would be great for her to have the voice of the
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That gives you some options and say, well, I'm responding to, I'm
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Well, I think there's this independence chatter, this issue, it's going to
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dominate Alberta for the next six months, whether she calls a referendum to try and
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I personally, from what we're seeing, it's going to go one of two ways.
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If there isn't something for that movement to sink their teeth into the referendum,
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and then it's going to be other battles going on
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that she's going to have to be circling the wagons for all summer.
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Yeah, I was going to say that I do think that there is going to be a referendum.
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And again, I don't know whether it's going to be on Lukasik's question
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But I think that the issue that the independent side has in this very moment is you have a lot of the leadership that are attacking the premier, that are going after the premier for her lack of interest in what they're doing from their standpoint.
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But if she puts a referendum on the table and they continue to attack her when they have a clear objective that they have to hit, you have to win that referendum now.
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And so if there if you see kind of that split where the grassroots membership looks at the direction that the leadership is taking the movement and isn't talking about an independence referendum, it's attacking the premier, trying to remove her.
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You're seeing Sylvester right now pushing people into the UCP like you should be focused on what's coming.
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And that's a referendum. This is mainly not the way you wanted it, but it is very much a showing.
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and perhaps even like having lukhasik's question on the ballot where it's uh not necessarily a
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constitutional question it's a policy question it might lower the stakes a little bit to get
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more people showing up and saying like look actually i want to send a message to the federal
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government i'm voting to not stay in canada because we need to send a message to ottawa
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and maybe that's what happens but i think part of the issue that we're seeing in the independence
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camp is is there even if they get their referendum they're going to turn around and they're going to
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attack the premier and i think that's a missed opportunity because you do have to be driving
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support to get the answer you want on that referendum question no matter what you know if i
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if i may just comment on that uh and you probably know what i'm going to say but it's if if you are
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in the independence camp you have to be really sure you know what you want and why you want it
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uh we can all agree we've often said it from this this this table that the influence of eastern
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canada does alberta no good and it is the values as much as anything that are implicit in the
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liberal governments that we've had which make people just want to turn their back on the whole
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thing all the political correctness all the you know whites not needed for in the army the the
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green stuff which you know is is hokum all of those things are good reasons for albertans to
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be discontented but anybody i refer you to um judge leonard's uh decision on the uh on the
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referendum uh that was to be prompted by 300 000 signatures of angry uh albertans that
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should have been allowed to happen i view her um a decision as politically motivated she probably
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would say otherwise but i that's how i see it so what i'm saying is that you as a bona fide
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peace-loving alberta independence seeker thinking to action the constitutional mechanism that is
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available for a province that wants to leave talking about the clarity act if you think
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that ottawa is going to let you quietly do that and accept the results of a free vote and
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negotiate a peaceful exit with all our money which keeps the rest of canada going so the narrative
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goes i don't think that's i don't think it's going to work out like that so just how much
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do you want to put into this well i think i agree with that sentiment and i think that the federal
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government uh they're gonna interpret the clarity act however they see fit in that moment i think
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that that's going like that kind of creates that deeper resentment and and it may shift a lot of
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people that like we know that there's discontentment towards ottawa i mean that shows up every time we
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go to the polls and elect you know 33 conservative mlas but or mps but at the same time like if they
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continue to take this path it's going to harden support and and yeah maybe uh maybe it's not this
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wave that gets to over the 50 maybe it's the next one like i think they're playing with fire here
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they also have you know potential pq government in quebec to deal with that's watching this like
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none of this is happening in a vacuum and i think the liberals are are hardening something where
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and even this mou i don't necessarily think that's going to help right i mean it's a pipeline by 2034
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is when they're expected to have it completed in exchange for concessions on the carbon well i
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mean they don't get built overnight the key date is approval uh 2027 september right and after a
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year long and only a year long review process but you know i think nigel hinted on it earlier on
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i think smith not a stupid woman she's obviously been optimistic about the pipeline all the way
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through she i think she's uh optimistic she can find a proponent uh and i think she's optimistic
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that she's going to have a have a shovel ready proposal to to to give to ottawa to uh to approve
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by the end of the year uh and hopefully before the referendum and that kills off any hope of
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independence yes i don't believe that whatsoever i mean the problem is another maybe another
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possibly another potential the movement needs a yes it needs to see dirt moving it needs to see
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not more pushing this this thing up i mean i could see progress on this slowing the movement
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absolutely but like as you said maybe knocking it down to 17 i think oh what would happen there's
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the 30 that are done they've had it they're ready to roll but it won't grow if it looks like there's
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progress on that i mean they could get to the referendum and it's going to be a 30 vote
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they're not going to get any closer to that 55, 50, whatever they may think they need.
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I mean, the federal judges have better watch it because they might not care about Alberta.
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But when they tell us we can't do it, they're also telling Quebec they can't do it.
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But I don't know if the timeline works for Premier Smith right now.
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you can't say well we got to defer this referendum until we get a positive thing out of the mou and
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all that they're not going to wait for that you know no no i wasn't suggesting that they defer the
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no i know the referendum that's still going to go ahead in october but if substantial progress
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is made during that time between now and october you know look i mean independence has been the
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top total the top subject in alberta for a year now a couple years now and it has not moved the
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independence movement very much uh from uh you know from the high of the mid-30s that's maybe
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a lack of leadership but that's well yeah i mean that that is certainly the case it's it's it's
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100 the case and and it's it's a lot easy to say you know when some random polling company calls
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you up and says yeah i've had enough i'm gonna vote to leave uh to leave canada it's tougher
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when you're in that ballot box and you're thinking wow this really could have the repercussions uh
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And that's the thing I'm not seeing from the independence movement right now is any answers to any questions.
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Where's my pension check? How is this going to work? How is that going to work?
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Actually, it's all posted in detail through multiple meetings and lawyers online, but it doesn't seem to be getting out.
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It's not getting out. The message isn't getting out.
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But yeah, there's a lot to be done if you're looking to change things.
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things. I just, the way the timeline's working, I could see this, if Smith can balance it,
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you've got to give him the question to get it out of the way. You're a federalist. I mean,
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you've got to be sick of this talk. And if you're really that confident, Albertans don't want to
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go. There's no other way to put it to bed. Put it to the vote, let it loose, and then you can
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move on if you're that confident. And Premier Smith could have that where again, yeah, saying
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in the announcement she's looking at is by September or so saying that we'll have our plan
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that we will submit that hopefully gets approved within a year right before the next provincial
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election if i dated well that would date well for it i mean if the referendum gets out of the way a
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month and some later and then the talk is kind of on the shelf for a year then she can focus on
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actually getting this thing perhaps done uh moving because now we're not talking about that as an
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option or something that's in the background okay well let me ask you a question cory if the
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independence vote fails like i think it will how long does the issue go away for before
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it starts beating again personally i think a couple of years they're tired they're exhausted
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this would be a five-month campaign of everybody putting in everything they have they've already
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done four months of petitioning the hardcores have and i mean i'll say no as a supporter of
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independents. As the board looks right now, some things have got to change dramatically if they're
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to hope to win it this fall. And as a federalist, I'd be saying, let's just open this thing up and
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get it done. I mean, they're still formally leaderless. They got some other issues going
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on within. There's potential vents happening. Let's just get this thing done. But if something
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adverse happens between now and then, I guess that's a risk if a new national energy program
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comes along. Or I heard somebody, I think it was Andrew Coyne, talking about how the risks of this,
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not to give him much credit for things, but if we remember the Quebec referendum in the 90s,
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support can change really fast over a little thing. And there was a scene of people dancing
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on the Quebec flag during the referendum campaign that infuriated Quebecers, and that
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alone probably shot it up by a few points. Yeah, if I can jump in too, I think the overreaction
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by ottawa is something that we aren't really factoring in like we saw it with like them
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shutting down the concept of a referendum in the using federally appointed lower court justices
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to do so to me is an indication is that lord no no it's not longer it's medium she's on the
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court i'm sorry it's medium size not well i mean just from context i mean i don't want to assume
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too much about the way she thinks from past decisions but they are a bit of a pointer
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this is the same judge who uh granted a restraint on danielle smith's policy of no sex change
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operations for kids under 18. somebody challenged it she was the one who said the key with this
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judge is she's true to appointed she's true to a boy didn't i don't think she would have i don't
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think trudeau would have appointed somebody who was one of us yeah that's agreed 100 but i think
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just like the way that the the system is designed it's it's going like as we move the ball forward
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in this referendum process i can imagine that the sentiment coming out of the rest of the country
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becomes more hardened against alberta you see more anti-alberta stuff so i'm showing up on social
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media more toronto star articles smearing whoever speaks out in favor of it i think that the reaction
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by the stay in canada no matter what crowd uh will just it'll diminish the the people who
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aren't necessarily separatists and are frustrated with the federal government they're they're the
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lost sheep and if the federal government is coming down hard they vote well then that's how will they
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vote i think is the question i mean do they go it does ottawa come down hard on on us or the flip
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side is maybe the real mark carney stands up after the referendum loss maybe we see carney's hammer
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maybe the pipeline deal gets rejected i don't know what happens after this card gets played if if the
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referendum doesn't uh come off successfully so there's if i may throw one i don't know whether
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you want to move this in a different direction but carry on before we go one thing about
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Now, Carney, none of us are giving him any credit for.
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There are probably about two dozen people who think that Stephen Gilbeau had the right idea
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and that it's been terribly handled, and they're very suspicious of Mr. Carney,
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the banker, the businessman, you know, what have we got in Brookfield, sir?
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So he won't even have his majority for very long.
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I have to admit that as a matter of political chess playing,
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He's both got balancing acts going on, no doubt there.
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I mean, it's something I would see, kind of get back to what Dave was asking.
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What would cool him down, though, is that private proponent?
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Can Smith pull a rabbit out of a hat, some company that has the means to say, yes, you
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know what, we'll start committing to working towards this process.
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We believe this process will lead to an end with a pipeline.
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Thus, we're raising our hand to say we'll take part in it.
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I think that would make, because then it's not a politician talking.
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It's somebody with money in the game who's had the football pulled away from them many times already.
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They believe it enough to say, we will commit towards moving on this.
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And the closest I've seen so far from business leaders is hope.
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Let's look at what is actually happening under our feet right now.
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Now, Bridger, the little pipeline company, Southpaw, has grabbed the KXL assets.
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They pitched the U.S. government with permission to connect that to the system in Wyoming.
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And when they finish completion, which construction is supposed to start next year,
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they'll be shipping 500 000 barrels a day so that's one i'm told by those who know more about
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this than i do which is just about everybody but uh you know that's really a recommendation
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for what i'm about to say line three and enbridge are optimizing and deep bottlenecking their lines
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and there's hundreds of thousands of barrels per day that can that could be added to that basically
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the premier wants to export eight million barrels a day right now on a good day we do 4.1 so you
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know you put together your bridger your line three your line we still need this pipeline for the
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last two million barrels a day yeah well one of the symbolic victories that have been getting to
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bigger markets i mean just still selling at a discount though more of it at a discount to our
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sole customer it's good but we've been yelling for a decade we need to get it to the coast yep
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and just again the symbolism of it it's absolutely these are optimistic things i mean it puts people
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to work it brings in revenue to the country to the province but unless somewhere to a deep water port
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we're looking at a pipe i think that's really what that's the point i'm drawing from this is
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yeah these people are sitting still they're not standing back waiting for things to happen they're
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doing what they can and if it comes up something solid that they can grab onto and say yes to
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they'll be there for it but they with the indigenous component crossing bc the no tanker
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van eb's hostility mr carney is going to have to show what the canadian prime minister's powers are
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well that's the big if going on and that's that chicken today because i think some companies
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aren't going to stick their neck out again unless they're confident the prime minister
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is going to stop the axe from getting them again like if he isn't he's throwing out a bunch of
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maybes and that goes back to nigel's point about his caucus like if he's walking on knives edge
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which i think both i think like the mou in in the way it turned out is reflective of both
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carney and smith kind of tight roping their own caucus like you've got potentially i mean if we're
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right about if if thomas lucasic is right and nate horner and matt jones are drawing the line on
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calling an independence referendum and that's why they're leaving then on one hand she's got
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this pressure and carney's got the pressure from the left so you get kind of this mishmash of a
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policy in the middle that they both agree to to keep everybody happy and but carney's carney's
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the one who's laughing all the way to the bank like his poll numbers are up like he's i and it's
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it's i don't like it's i don't i i don't know what the fix is i i don't know how i i don't
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have any advice for pierre polyev right now i i'm i i feel bad for the entire situation up there and
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so yeah i don't i don't know how things will get better given that you know the political calculus
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in ottawa is the same you again like you said you've got those green mla or mps in carney's
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cabinet they aren't going to let him go very far and if he starts dragging his feet that's going
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to create more tension in it with uh the residents of alberta maybe not the caucus or the cabinet i
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mean i don't know we'll see what happens after this uh after tomorrow morning but i mean there's
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yeah it's it could potentially lead to a very interesting october as we head through the summer
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with again like i get like we're we're talking about pipeline approvals that are you know we
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don't have a proposal and we won't have an approval again for another 12 months so we're
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pushing papers but again we're not pushing dirt like that's what we need to see and if if we were
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pushing dirt like this should have happened we should have had approvals for this like three
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years ago i think there was a pipeline in dubai they approved and dave you might know the story
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better than i do aren't they building it in a year uh i'm surprised it would be taking that long
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yeah i think it's something like that there are to be fair okay they're just digging across a
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desert, they don't concern themselves with human rights, and they can use slavery.
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I think the Germans built an LNG plant in just a matter of a few months.
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I think it was 18 months from the time they made their first request to the time they
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I mean, not the Alaska Pipeline, the Alaska Highway, I should say, but that's a big project.
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If we want to get things done, if the government can, is willing to get out of the way, if
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truly believe in the national interest please get done well what if they move fast on venezuela like
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they're predicting five years what happens if they've got stuff up and running in two years
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and that you know it's like so we have to worry about market share and all of this and once you
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lose market share you're kind of hoping for like a catastrophe in iran to gain it back kind of a
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thing like you you lose market share it's hard to build it back and i i do worry about the future of
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our industry still to this day and i in my opinion the mou hasn't done anything to fix that the
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The appetite for oil in Asia will be just increasing and increasing and increasing for the next several decades.
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Getting back to actually just a lot of something out of the blue that just kind of occurred to me, though,
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we're looking at caucus divisions and possible ways that conservatives love to blow themselves up.
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There's a lonely Pete Guthrie sitting over in the corner of the legislature who would certainly love to grab a couple of wayward ex-Cabinet ministers or even other discontented people.
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So do you think there's any chance of that sort of gong show erupting?
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No, zero, especially as they're both retiring or leaving politics.
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They say, but I mean, you know, we've heard liberals say they're going home to spend more time with their family
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and then discover they're not like their family when they find a better opportunity.
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Warner coming out as a red Tory would be quite damaging to him and Drumheller-Stettler
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unless he wanted to switch ridings and run somewhere in central Calgary for Guthrie.
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i don't i think corners uh i think he's retiring at the end of this term i think he'll be done
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um if he does go to the what are they calling themselves now the united tory party united
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tory party because they can't call themselves progressive like why don't they just call them
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the red tories like i mean like let's be real here so yeah no i i i don't i don't think i'm
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not worried about corner going to guthrie too much matt jones southeast cavalry riding maybe
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Maybe he thinks he's got to play like if he is one of those, like if the reason he is quitting is because he thinks that this this entire situation is so damaging to his personal reputation that he has to exit stage right as fast as possible.
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I mean, one way you can maintain unity to a degree is if there's nowhere else for them to go.
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If there's not a home they can land in, then, yeah, maybe they'll just go home as it appears.
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but i can speak a little bit of this from like experience because i was helping rick strengthman
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in 2018 when derek fildebrandt came to us and said would you join the freedom conservative party
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sorry derek we said no um so it's one of those things where it's like yeah maybe there's a fit
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ideologically but from a political standpoint i don't know i don't see the tories going anywhere
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no no so narrowly with guthrie i just throw it out there i mean going back to our own experience
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too, even prior to that, it showed my grayness, but when we had a lone MLA in there with Paul
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Hinman, but days changed really fast or dramatically when suddenly we had Rob Anderson, we had
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Heather Forsyth, and Guy Boulier, and now suddenly you've got this corner in the legislature
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that's drawing funds and research and getting questions.
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It really only takes sometimes a seed, and then you get a real headache.
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Though I like to remind all our listeners and everything, the ultimate end of that was
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yes and then there was but even when kenny merged the wild rose and pcs together there was that
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small little rump that for a moment rick fraser i think went and i don't know if sandra jams and
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ended up in the ndp yeah i mean but they had this little rump so i mean it's it's a risk um it's
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always a risk to leave the government um but i don't know like it's it's going to be interesting
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to see how this develops over time and whether horner and uh jones just kind of sit quietly in
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in the back and and work their way towards retirement i mean or if they do become thorns
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and public thorns in the side but i don't know i think they're in a difficult position because
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i mean what are they going to do endorse head nenshi's position on on not having an independence
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referendum go ahead but one thing you can say about them because there is no pension for serving
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as an mla at least you can't throw that at any of them who they're not hanging on for the pension
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no they're not john give them credit for a little bit of uh what's what's the word uh
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dignity and their beliefs i'll give you credit for that yeah well let's turn the page a bit
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onto something that's been kind of emerging in the north uh sturgeon lake crea nation i believe
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they go by uh they're recently in the news because their chief was one of the ones challenging the
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the ability to hold the referendum appears they feel they may have found their own personal
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cantaloups yeah apparently the uh they're they're saying that they're uh they're missing 82 kids uh
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that went to the school in the last you know back in the in the olden days so to speak residential
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school and they think they found potential grave sites of 62 of them so cory here we go again uh
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we uh we interviewed francis widdowson uh on it today and she'll she says the exact same thing
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you will say the only way to deal with this is to excavate get a shovel yeah so yeah well i mean
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whether this is a uh a ruse to get money which the kamloops tribe certainly did they got i think
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close to 13 million dollars and haven't done anything with it except i think they've opened
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up a museum or something so whether this whether this is just a ruse to to get some more money
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we'll have to see we'll have to see if any level of government falls for it again well i mean the
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the world doesn't seem to be falling for it this time though, right? Like, I mean,
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we've got a jaundiced eye from the public, I think at this point, it's only, you know,
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insensitive souls like me and Francis Whittowson to come right out and say,
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there's nobody buried in Kamloops and, and put that on. But also those who really were saying,
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banging that drum that there was people buried, they've at least gone silent.
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And this revelation from, from Sturgeon, we're not hearing much of it.
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If I could provide a suggestion to the University of Lethbridge administration,
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If you really want to save your reputation as an evidence-based institution, you can fund the excavation yourself.
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No, I graduated, but they might take my degree back.
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I don't think so, but they could strike you off the rolls of heaven.
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there's those different people shonegan lake celebrates that barry cooper went to their school
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i don't think they mentioned that i was there yeah well nobody watches even derek so so here's
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the thing with this story from sturgeon lake are are the indigenous leadership out there claiming
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that these are children who were murdered or is it just that they they don't know which grave belongs
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to which paperwork because they're asking for the paperwork from the federal government need the
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records these are our children well you know the way things were done and 30 40 50 years ago the
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simple wooden cross that would have been placed upon the grave would have eventually rotted and
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withered and been cleaned up and sure enough there could well be graves there but that does not mean
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that there is something terrible or malicious it merely means that eventually the grave became
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overgrown and uh but we knew that so-and-so died and that's where they that's where they put them
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somewhere over there there's no there's there's no doubt children died at indian residential schools
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of course they did but they had a little thing called the spanish flu to deal with they had
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tuberculosis to deal with and kids died of that right everywhere you know across canada people
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died from that not just indigenous children so yeah the life for a settler wasn't exactly you
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know what we have today i mean they were living on the land like i i mean i can look at my own
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family tree and i'll see you know kids died at 11 7 in 1919 or you know somebody fell off a bridge
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you're like i mean life was just more perilous and your mortality rates were higher i'd like to see
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the i mean they they're confident that 82 children have been located and may be in 62 on mark graves
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at the site but again like are they saying that they were abused in the system and that the system
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is the reason that they died or is it just you know they're just even bringing it up that's what
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they're hoping people think oh they must have been they must have been murdered or anything
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you know stuff like that but on the bright side we're not seeing mark carney with a little teddy
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bear on one knee uh ordering the uh flags to be lowered this time yeah so that's what i'm saying
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is the the world's not jumping to attention with this this time nearly as as much it's like a
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oh we'll see what happens no i don't i don't think you'll see any international media jumping on this
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one well it was originally a port uh reported by aptn news which is the group that's tied to the
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current uh we'll call it a developing scandal out of ottawa where a aptn news uh partnered with cbc
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entertainment division and uh brought dr francis widows and lindsey shepherd and a few others i
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think you covered it on your show earlier today cory so i mean i don't know if maybe this
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announcement is a direct reaction to that because they're wearing a bit of a black eye right now
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publicly and it's coming from aptn news like this is not being reported related to what their beat
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ostensibly would be too they are the aboriginal network so but i mean they'd be the first to
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get on that i guess i noticed on the story as well though that the rcmp has said that yeah we're not
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having anything to do with this that's a note that a lot of people don't mention but the reason that
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the rcmp never dug in kamloops is because there's no evidence of murders you know the rcmp's mandate
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I mean, people, we've seen all those stories, twists and turns.
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I can't murder somebody, bury them on a reserve and say, sorry, it's all done.
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They will exhume and they will arrest or investigate.
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But if there's no evidence that there was actually a crime, yeah, they're not going to spend the resources and the time to dig a hole.
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Hey, just because Derek's here doesn't mean you can't swear.
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You see, it looked like John could get away without having to edit, and you didn't even give him that one-week breather.
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What if you would have thought it'd be me who would have done that?
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I mean, it's not impossible, but we just need to see more evidence.
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you know more than just that's all anybody has ever asked for just show us the evidence and then
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they'll take it from especially exhumed do it as donald trump said dig baby dig yeah
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something like that ah maybe they'll find hoffa all right never know so we'll start with some
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parting shots on that uh note of tastelessness uh sure i'll give you one so i have quite a few
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people from the military environment to email me what's going on in the military and i guess it's
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i guess it's really hard if you're a white guy to join the army they'll take your application but
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they'll put it in a separate pile while they go off to find the people they want to hire
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so that there is this picture of the armed services as a microcosm of the society they
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want canada to become so if they're you know every demographic group is percentage-wise
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represented so what what the emails coming in are saying is that in order to get
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the visible minority proportion that they want for canada they have been recruiting
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and the deal is that if you sign the if you take the king's shilling you'll get canadian
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citizenship they've been recruiting in cameroon and ivory coast so you have to ask yourself what
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kind of a cruel joke this is on everybody involved but in order to get the candidate you want
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represented in the armed forces you have to go abroad to find one of these and one of those and
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we need some from this country so that you have the appearance what a way to run an army we're
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gonna lose a war well yeah like what happens like do they speak english no so like what happens if
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like it well some of them speak french well they're coming from french okay so we've got like
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we now need all of our like lieutenants all the way up to generals to speak every language you
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know you got a message across after colonel i believe you have to be bilingual but you're like
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when you get to carl just so you know the rules you're not allowed to comment on people's parting
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Some other ministers are shuffled around tomorrow.
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And then obviously the big news will be the independence referendum.
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And presuming, just presuming that that is what Premier Smith addressed to the province is about tomorrow.
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So, yeah, I'll be keeping an eye on that, but I don't have much else.
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I'm going to steal one that Nigel had in mind, and I hope I can remember it word for word because it was pretty good.
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we heard news this week that the snowballs snowballs see even i did it the snowbirds
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uh jet acrobatic team uh being uh mothballed i mean the planes are old there's no doubt about
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that they're they're falling apart there's no doubt about that uh but apparently they're being
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replaced by prop planes so only in canada do you go from a jet airplane to a prop airplane and call
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the progress yeah certainly moving forward how'd i do there nigel i remember it pretty well you
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you got it exactly yeah all right well i'll close it off just something i ranted a bit on my own
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show but still for me i don't know why i allow myself to get floored anymore but let's talk
00:43:29.840
about the beauty of state-funded media the bbc put out this sob story with the sad looking man
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if you look it up online saying he's selling children selling children to survive afghan
00:43:42.480
fathers forced to make impossible choices so they're talking about and they profiled a couple
00:43:46.640
a gentleman was selling two of his daughters, this gentleman
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is selling one of his daughters, because they can't
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make ends meet, and they're poor, and they're going to
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sell their five-year-olds into sexual servitude,
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and apparently it happens all over Afghanistan.
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into, despite, I don't recall, the Irish potato
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famine fathers selling their daughters, or anybody
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else, it seems to be kind of unique to Afghanistan.
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all right well on that note happy happy times well yes there's going to be happiness somewhere
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so just so as you know you don't have me next week okay okay well that means we're stuck with
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josh for two weeks in a row now all right we'll see if derek lets me on the air we'll put you in
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your your obscenity training with the shock collar next week and uh it's been proven effective and as
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we know there is no hr department here well it's me so if i put the collar on it's my own fire
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warden and hr yeah you wear a lot of hats my friend i actually start to wonder what derek
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does around here okay time time to kill a team we're gonna find out if he does watch this show
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the email will be incoming yes all right well thank you all for helping dissect this ornit's
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nest and mush of miss issues we've got today guys and uh i'll see some of you next week not you
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