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00:00:30.720 Good day and welcome to The Pipeline.

00:00:56.500 Today is December 3rd, 2025. I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard.

00:01:02.180 I'm joined by the usual crew in the studio here, former Western Standard opinion editor, Nigel Hannaford.

00:01:08.020 Good to be here.

00:01:08.980 And Western Standard senior operator columnist, Corey Morgan.

00:01:11.960 Always a pleasure.

00:01:12.720 And joining us for a very special day, you're going to find out in a second why we've got Western Standard's VC Bureau Chief, Jaron Yeager.

00:01:23.940 Welcome to The Pipeline, Jared.

00:01:25.880 Hi, thanks for having me.

00:01:26.760 So, we'll be talking about Bill C-9, a bill in Parliament right now, which is designed to make sure you can't hurt people's feelings online.

00:01:37.540 But now is going to quite explicitly strip people of freedom of speech and freedom of religion around saying, quoting things from religious scriptures, which, you know, the Bible, that could be construed by.

00:01:55.680 Some has, hateful, removing any provisions that were in that bill.

00:01:58.960 We're going to be talking about that.

00:02:01.020 We'll be talking about the pipeline deal between Alberta Premier Daniel Smith and Prime Minister Mark Carney.

00:02:09.160 We were talking about it in anticipation of it on the pipeline last week.

00:02:13.360 Now we actually see the deal.

00:02:14.600 Is it a Faustian pipeline bargain?

00:02:19.520 I don't know.

00:02:20.280 I'm not convinced one way or another yet, but it's not quite as shiny and pretty as we were hoping it would be.

00:02:27.240 But first, the reason we've got Jared Yeager on the program today.

00:02:33.380 BC Conservative leader, John Rostat, walks the plank.

00:02:37.580 Like earlier today, our BC Bureau Chief, Jared Yeager, broke the story that a majority of the BC Conservative caucus signed a letter declaring non-confidence in him.

00:02:52.460 And then just moments ago, the board of the BC Conservative Party voted to remove him as leader.

00:02:58.940 Jared, why don't you add a bit more detail about what's been going on?

00:03:03.220 There's a lot of moving parts of the story.

00:03:04.480 It's just developing as we're talking, but why don't you just give us a little background and what's been going on today?

00:03:11.200 Yeah, so it's been a pretty busy day, but for anyone who's been paying attention to BC politics over the past few months, this shouldn't come as too big of a surprise.

00:03:19.860 So more and more people have been calling on Rostat to resign from both within and outside the party.

00:03:25.900 And today was kind of the kind of the final nail in the coffin.

00:03:29.020 20 out of the 39 MLAs in his caucus signed on saying that they no longer supported his leadership.

00:03:36.900 And so once that came out, he held a press conference and basically said, I'm not going anywhere.

00:03:44.080 That's it.

00:03:44.740 And then, like you said, just moments ago, the board of directors passed a resolution to oust him as leader of both caucus and the party.

00:03:55.640 And Surrey White Rock MLA Trevor Halford has been appointed interim leader of both the caucus and the party.

00:04:03.020 So, OK, let me get this straight.

00:04:05.720 So there was the letter released by the majority of the BC Conservative Caucus declaring they had no confidence in Rostat as leader and requesting the employment of interim leader.

00:04:17.120 Rostat then held a press conference after that saying, doesn't matter if a majority of my caucus have voted to remove me, I'm still the leader, right?

00:04:22.780 Yeah, someone asked him, like, does this put you in an untenable position?

00:04:27.280 And he said, no, not really.

00:04:28.740 And he basically, so he said his argument was there's too many things that are going on in BC under the BC NDP.

00:04:37.780 And ordinary people don't care about this, you know, internal party squabbling, which is true.

00:04:43.960 People don't.

00:04:44.500 But when it comes down to it, there's not much you can do as a party if you're not united.

00:04:51.460 And if there's all this stuff going on inside, it takes time away from actually tackling the issues that matter.

00:04:58.640 So, well, look, Corey, I mean, John Russ, that blasted his heart.

00:05:03.800 I mean, like he did obviously incredible things for this party, getting it to where it is.

00:05:08.320 But his leadership ran into really tough waters.

00:05:11.420 He appears to have become paranoid trying to fire everyone from caucus that he suspected of anything or disagreeing with him on things, which is ironic because that's how he got kicked out of the BC Liberal Caucus, very strangely.

00:05:26.620 But he doesn't seem to understand the simple.

00:05:29.540 I don't think most people understand the Constitution, but the leader of a political party and the leader of an opposition should understand one of the simple parts of our Constitution.

00:05:37.700 And it's the idea of confidence.

00:05:39.400 Whoever can hold the confidence of the whole legislature or parliament is the premier or the prime minister.

00:05:45.840 But to stay the leader of your party in your caucus, you have to have the confidence of your caucus.

00:05:52.000 And today, the majority of his caucus declared non-confidence in him.

00:05:57.200 That is like the prime minister or the premier saying, I don't care if the House has voted non-confidence in me.

00:06:02.080 I'm not going to be distracted by that.

00:06:04.280 I'm still the prime minister or I'm still the premier.

00:06:06.440 That's not the way the system works.

00:06:09.420 John Rustad appears to be totally off the reservation here.

00:06:14.320 I think, you know what, I can't help but draw a parallel to former premier Jason Kenney when it all comes to it.

00:06:19.220 He did a lot of work too.

00:06:20.360 He united two parties.

00:06:21.640 He managed to win over the NDP.

00:06:23.620 But then shortly after getting in, just everything started to fall apart.

00:06:27.780 But he stubbornly, I guess, you know, they get the sense of accomplishment.

00:06:31.780 I did all this. 1.00

00:06:32.600 Damn it, you guys. 1.00

00:06:33.420 I own, I have the right to stay in the leadership this long. 1.00

00:06:38.340 And they just aren't going to give out until they dragged out kicking and screaming with premier Kenny.

00:06:43.220 It took a whole vote.

00:06:44.060 He tried every mechanism he could to hang in there and hold on.

00:06:47.460 But when it finally even push came to shove, the members voted him out.

00:06:50.720 I think Rustad's in a simple, simple, similar mindset.

00:06:54.080 Just the, you know, I've got to use every possible way.

00:06:57.040 They don't understand what they're doing.

00:06:58.660 I deserve to be here.

00:07:00.060 And he just won't read that writing on the wall.

00:07:02.980 And it's a shame because, yeah, already the amount of dignity lost is massive.

00:07:09.040 But if you're pulled out virtually by your ear from that seat, you know, you just don't have any left whatsoever when you go.

00:07:15.460 There's a difference between building something and getting there and being able to maintain it once you're there.

00:07:19.640 And he can't hold this together, obviously.

00:07:22.320 The only person who doesn't know it anymore is him.

00:07:24.060 You know, Nigel, sometimes leaders have failed, but they've been able to still have a political career in that same caucus afterwards.

00:07:36.460 You know, Joe Clark comes to mind.

00:07:38.340 Stockwell, they had a pretty messy one, but he did manage.

00:07:42.020 He was a tougher one, but he did manage to stay on as a member of the Alliance and then Conservative Caucus federally and as Captain Minister.

00:07:49.960 Brian Jean did not initially with Jason Kenney because there was so much bad blood there, but he did come back.

00:07:57.560 Serves now under Daniel Smith.

00:07:59.720 You can think Andrew Scheer.

00:08:01.240 Andrew Scheer wasn't too bloody.

00:08:02.840 He went down pretty quickly, so there wasn't too much blood on the floor.

00:08:06.560 But John Brustat has held on so hard, tried to kick out so many people.

00:08:12.520 I mean, I guess there's some parallels with Stockwell Day in that respect.

00:08:15.380 But does it seem like there's too much blood on the floor for him to even be able to remain as a member of that team?

00:08:22.320 Or is this just he now just needs to completely exit the stage?

00:08:25.660 Well, the latter.

00:08:27.120 I mean, look, he's not leading anybody at the moment.

00:08:29.240 He's just going for a walk.

00:08:32.360 Like, who is going to back him up?

00:08:36.800 Who's going to want to run under his banner?

00:08:38.600 If there was a snap election in British Columbia?

00:08:41.140 I mean, he couldn't manage due.

00:08:42.780 He almost won, but he didn't win.

00:08:45.180 So that's like losing.

00:08:47.860 So therefore, he has no leverage.

00:08:53.440 He is not in a position to reward.

00:08:55.520 He's not in a position to do anything.

00:08:58.620 So he's going to have to accept that somebody else is going to do it.

00:09:03.280 Whether he can hang on.

00:09:04.640 As a member of the party, as the respected former leader, very much up to him what he does in the next 24 hours.

00:09:12.760 And if he says, you guys, you know, if the ship goes down, you're all going down with me, then he's done.

00:09:20.960 But you mentioned Stockwell Day.

00:09:23.560 Stockwell Day is a man of tremendously fine character.

00:09:27.240 And he accepted the judgment of the party at that time.

00:09:33.200 And he did it in such a way that he was able to serve the new conservative government under Harper.

00:09:39.640 And it was extremely valuable.

00:09:41.540 He was brilliant in foreign affairs.

00:09:43.940 And, you know, there is that.

00:09:46.600 But you've got to be humble.

00:09:48.560 And I don't see that in Mr. Rostat's response here.

00:09:52.480 Jared, so he refused to step down unconstitutionally when his caucus had voted non-confident.

00:10:02.420 So a lot of this is just kind of behind the scenes.

00:10:05.920 But I've had people, pretty senior people, well-placed people in the B.C. conservatives tell me that members of caucus for quite some time had been trying to bring a vote of non-confidence against him in the caucus.

00:10:16.520 But then the caucus, John Rostat's caucus chair, was just refusing to allow a vote to take place.

00:10:24.020 Which, I mean, I really wish I had a boring book of Robert's Rules of Order to give to them.

00:10:28.740 You could then impeach the chair at that point.

00:10:31.220 You just impeach the chair if the chair is not allowing a vote.

00:10:33.520 And then you can get to there.

00:10:35.220 But, I mean, the other way around was what they did today, which is you just sign a letter.

00:10:39.400 They would then just give that to the speaker.

00:10:41.540 And at that moment, you cease to be, you don't have the confidence of your caucus.

00:10:46.080 You cease to be the leader of that caucus.

00:10:48.760 Otherwise, literally, legally speaking, anyone could declare themselves a leader of the caucus.

00:10:52.240 That's the way I work. It's confidence-based.

00:10:54.300 Just by convention, if you were elected the leader of the party, you're the leader of the caucus.

00:10:58.460 But the caucus can remove you at any time and replace you with anyone that they like.

00:11:04.620 He refuses to go when the caucus votes to oust him, unconstitutionally.

00:11:10.140 But now the party, as the party's board has voted to remove him,

00:11:13.660 I don't know.

00:11:16.180 One of the things I've been told was that the party was at least strongly considering.

00:11:21.260 Maybe this will be kind of a further carrot and stick.

00:11:24.080 I don't know if they've done it yet.

00:11:25.240 But one of the things told by some of the sources I've talked to is that if he would not step down,

00:11:31.880 they would also revoke his party membership and ban him as a local candidate.

00:11:36.480 Now, that's not even just the nuclear option.

00:11:39.260 That's the Carthaginian option. 0.98

00:11:41.080 You're salting the earth, murdering everyone, and selling the women and children to slavery at that point. 0.96

00:11:46.840 But I suppose that would be one further carrot.

00:11:49.700 As far as you know, judging by the look on your face,

00:11:52.240 that is not what we know that they've done yet, right?

00:11:55.160 No, I haven't heard anything about that yet, no.

00:11:56.980 Okay, well, I got the impression from the folks I'm talking to that that is kind of like,

00:12:03.900 that's the ultimate stick as opposed to the carrot.

00:12:07.180 It's like, you're going to accept our judgment or you're literally not even a grassroots member of the party

00:12:14.260 and you're not allowed to be a local candidate.

00:12:18.460 Any sign, have you seen any sign yet, Jared, that John Rustad is going to,

00:12:23.100 now that his caucuses voted against him, and now he did not accept that.

00:12:28.500 But now that the party's board has voted to remove him as the leader,

00:12:31.780 has there been any indication as yet?

00:12:33.580 I know this just happened.

00:12:34.560 Any indication that he's going to accept that?

00:12:36.580 Or is he going to bring them to the Carthaginian option?

00:12:41.220 I mean, I don't know how you can't accept that.

00:12:43.480 Because, you know, he's been the MLA up north in his writing for almost 20 years.

00:12:50.380 And so I'm sure he wants to continue doing that.

00:12:54.100 So, I mean, or maybe he's just gone too far to give up

00:12:57.800 and he might just push it all the way to the end.

00:13:00.140 It's really too hard to tell at this point.

00:13:01.940 Oh, what is further than this?

00:13:04.160 I guess he gets, like, you know, I've never, I've fired people in my career.

00:13:10.280 I've never had to hire security to escort someone out.

00:13:13.620 I've had staff walk out in extremely rare occasions.

00:13:17.200 Staff has walked someone out.

00:13:18.260 But at this point, it sounds like you're going to have to hire Brinks or something to come 1.00

00:13:23.600 and, like, get him to pack up his box and escort him out of the office.

00:13:26.960 So the question that I have for Jared is, whatever happens to Mr. Rustad, what is Dallas Brody and her fellows thinking at the moment?

00:13:38.700 Is there likely to be a rapprochement between these rogue MLAs and the rest of the party?

00:13:46.180 Because really, their fight was about Rustad.

00:13:48.340 Yeah, there's the independent ones expelled by Rustad on the left end of the party.

00:13:53.100 Then there's the 1BC ones on the right.

00:13:55.400 Yeah, Jared, your thoughts on rapprochement with the rebels?

00:13:59.100 I think 1BC, they've been successful as a standalone party.

00:14:04.520 You look at the polls and they're, you know, almost at the same popularity as the BC Greens.

00:14:10.760 And so I think they're just going to keep doing what they're doing and let the BC Conservatives kind of figure out their mess themselves.

00:14:18.040 Really?

00:14:18.340 But even with Rustad gone, they wouldn't, like, I don't know.

00:14:22.320 I get the impression Brody would be a contender to win the leadership of the United Party.

00:14:27.060 I could be reading it wrong, but I'm gathering this is the typical battle we have with any big tent Conservative Party, though.

00:14:33.280 You know, you get your red Tories and your blue Tories, and they've really fractured to the far sides.

00:14:37.840 I think a lot would depend on what the leadership race is, because I imagine there's going to be candidates sort of representing, you know, we're just getting ahead of ourselves, but still, like, presuming Mr. Rustad's gone, there's going to be a race.

00:14:48.960 And there's going to be candidates representing each of those sorts of factions.

00:14:52.060 They're trying to find a way to pull it together.

00:14:53.720 And anybody who's on the outs with the party right now, I think, would be taking a wait-and-see as to, well, who's going to end up winning the party confidence?

00:15:01.000 I think Brody should run.

00:15:02.920 Let Brody run. 0.96

00:15:03.600 She has, very few people knew who she was until she was expelled, and then she's built some significant profile.

00:15:10.280 What are your thoughts, Jared?

00:15:11.320 If Brody were to go back in and run for the leadership, do you think she'd be a competitive candidate?

00:15:18.600 She's kind of thrown all her cards on the table.

00:15:20.960 And like you were saying, Corey, it's hard to keep a party together when there are so many different factions.

00:15:26.140 But I think the majority of those who have stayed in the BC Conservative Party haven't joined 1BC or split off because they kind of want to be a part of that Big Ten coalition.

00:15:39.540 And bringing Brody back in, I think, would kind of, I don't know, just put the party back in the same place it was when it was more fractured at the beginning.

00:15:49.540 Well, then it's not a Big Ten coalition if it's not got a place for people like Brody.

00:15:54.220 Like, then it depends on how big you want to make the coalition, yeah.

00:15:57.760 Well, I mean, it's a pretty fundamental part of it.

00:15:59.680 If you're going to be the Conservative Party, you've got to have the Conservatives.

00:16:02.580 You've got to have the Conservatives.

00:16:03.720 Otherwise, you're just kind of the old Liberal coalition, and we're back to where we were 15 years ago.

00:16:09.660 I mean, that's also a possibility.

00:16:11.680 It's a big discussion.

00:16:12.640 I think some of that, assuming even if Brody wanted to make a go at it,

00:16:16.640 I guess that would land on the party executive committee on whether or not a lot reestablish your membership even in the party,

00:16:23.440 which I imagine right now is void.

00:16:25.340 I mean, there's a whole lot of rabbit holes to go down with this.

00:16:28.560 And if she did win the leadership, that would lead to quite a splint in the remaining party.

00:16:33.820 I could see a center-left breaking off.

00:16:36.340 Welcome to Conservative Politics, as usual.

00:16:38.700 You know, I had congratulated BC Conservatives on having such a quick and neat and nice unification relative to the Alberta experience.

00:16:51.000 And it is still a lot less messy. 0.69

00:16:53.480 Like, we've got to remember how friggin' messy it was.

00:16:55.780 Remember, like, the mass floor crossings and then just total death.

00:16:59.860 And it's still not as bad as it ever got in Alberta.

00:17:03.500 But you're really working on it, BC.

00:17:05.460 You guys are really working on replicating to how nasty and messy the Wildrose people are.

00:17:10.420 Talk to some of the veterans of the PC Wildrose battles.

00:17:13.900 Yeah.

00:17:15.920 There's still blood dried on the floor.

00:17:18.540 Yeah.

00:17:20.480 Okay, well, where does it go from here, Jared?

00:17:22.760 Like, oh, actually, let me put it this way.

00:17:26.500 So, if John Rustad finally bows to, yes, my caucus has voted me out.

00:17:31.920 Yes, my party board has voted me out.

00:17:33.800 And that's it.

00:17:34.840 Okay, then we know more or less where it's going to go.

00:17:37.460 What happens if he chains himself to the radiator, handcuffs himself to the radiator, locks the door, says, I'm not leaving my office.

00:17:47.480 I'm the leader.

00:17:48.180 You guys can go to help.

00:17:50.020 What happens then?

00:17:51.280 Does someone go to court or something?

00:17:54.160 I have no idea.

00:17:56.240 Start by turning up and he's on the radiator.

00:17:57.980 Well, you'll have to send me out to Victoria because that'd be some great footage.

00:18:02.640 Yeah.

00:18:03.100 Yeah.

00:18:03.840 I, well, you know what, this actually might, we're ever so slightly pre-recording here.

00:18:10.120 This already might be answered by the time we're done.

00:18:12.820 Jared, keep your Twitter feed open as we're talking.

00:18:15.420 We'll come back to this if we get an update.

00:18:18.000 But, uh, John, John, you know, you probably got other things to do tonight.

00:18:24.420 But if you're watching this, for God's sakes, for the good of the BC conservatives and for British Columbia, I know you feel you've been wronged here and that you're on the right side.

00:18:34.880 But, uh, it's time to fall on your sword and do the right thing.

00:18:38.700 It's over.

00:18:41.200 It's just bloody over.

00:18:43.620 Okay.

00:18:44.700 Um, I guess it kind of segues with BC a bit here.

00:18:50.460 The pipeline.

00:18:51.740 Uh, so last, uh, last Wednesday, last time we did the pipeline, uh, you know, our general comment thing was it's got to be pretty good because Smith is facing UCP members.

00:19:04.460 It's Friday night at her, uh, the annual UCP convention in Edmonton.

00:19:09.760 And, uh, I mean, for her to be able to do a peace deal with Ottawa with a party that does not like peace with Ottawa right now is better be pretty good.

00:19:19.400 Um, saw the agreement Thursday.

00:19:23.280 Uh, it's kind of conflict.

00:19:25.640 There's a lot of ins and outs of it, but there's, there's some odd stuff.

00:19:28.940 Uh, but yeah, Corey, you, you, you know, you were with me at the convention and, um,

00:19:34.460 I think to the shock and horror of the rest of Canada, Alberta conservative members were not glowing in their praise of this agreement on Friday, were they?

00:19:45.320 Not even slightly.

00:19:46.680 I mean, they're absolutely.

00:19:49.080 They didn't like it.

00:19:50.340 Mortified by it.

00:19:51.320 And they expressed it and watching that parallel and talking to a lot of people.

00:19:56.180 And we, we talked to probably hundreds of people over that two days.

00:19:59.200 Smith is still wildly popular among the members.

00:20:01.680 They love her, but they think she signed onto a stinker. 1.00

00:20:04.660 And, and it's not just, there's two aspects.

00:20:08.120 One is just, some people don't believe the pipeline is ever going to go anyways.

00:20:11.900 And the other is some of a, you know, basically as you're putting out a, is, is a Faustian deal.

00:20:15.740 Like we're looking at some of the commitments that have to be made in order to do this, a massive carbon carbon capture project, which could benefit some crony capitalists and possibly suck some subsidy dollars into certain directions, which blue conservatives aren't necessarily thrilled with that sort of trade-off.

00:20:32.320 A large hike in the carbon tax industrial.

00:20:36.660 What I see is actually a lot of junior operators in Alberta, probably not really happy with this whole deal at all.

00:20:42.040 Yeah.

00:20:42.280 Cause that's crushing their ability to be competitive on the markets while the major players play the subsidy game.

00:20:47.820 Yeah.

00:20:47.960 The, the big players, they, they pay, but they also get to collect.

00:20:51.580 Yes.

00:20:51.860 Small guys don't collect.

00:20:53.060 They only pay.

00:20:53.600 If you're sucking it back out through the carbon capture thing, then you can perhaps reclimate.

00:20:57.860 Yeah. 0.94

00:20:58.260 It's just getting uglier and uglier as we look at it.

00:21:00.400 And then with our own Dave Winnick talking about some of this stuff with obligations, domestic purchases of materials for it, which could price this out of the range, you know, rather than having a wide option of areas to source your materials and so on.

00:21:14.980 It's just, it's just a bad deal.

00:21:17.380 I, I mean, we did expect a lot because we'd seen that hard, you know, and we'd gotten on our case.

00:21:22.640 Premier Smith said, Hey, these nine things have to be gone by great cup or else.

00:21:26.520 And then we came all the way up to great cup and it was, or else, well, I'll tell you in two weeks.

00:21:29.800 And we come up on two weeks and okay, this better be, this is going to be something big.

00:21:33.140 And she said seven of nine is not bad, but you don't even get the seven of 10.

00:21:37.480 And this is a commitment on paper to seven of nine.

00:21:41.280 And it's just flew like a lead balloon.

00:21:44.160 So, and now we're seeing the debates.

00:21:46.360 We're seeing the discussions.

00:21:47.200 We're seeing that the Bloc Québécois, you know, demanding the prime minister basically stop this.

00:21:52.620 BC saying we're not going to have it.

00:21:54.360 Indigenous groups are saying we're not going to have it.

00:21:55.860 And the prime minister has just kind of said, eh, I'm going to step out the door and let

00:22:00.240 Premier Smith deal with this.

00:22:01.720 Yeah.

00:22:02.080 Because the only way this is going to happen is with ongoing support from the prime minister

00:22:07.920 saying it's going to get done.

00:22:09.180 And he's not doing that.

00:22:10.860 So she's, she's holding onto a dead document.

00:22:14.000 I think.

00:22:15.200 Nigel, um, you know, one of the reoccurrent themes you've talked about with Mark Carney is

00:22:20.640 he, you know, he likes to have his cake and eat it too.

00:22:23.900 He likes a process where the process is his decision, not, not what we're actually trying

00:22:29.640 to achieve in the process.

00:22:30.920 You know, uh, I will recognize a Palestinian state if they do X, Y, and Z and well, then 0.78

00:22:35.820 allows him to just pretend the process made something up.

00:22:39.480 Um, I got a bad feeling.

00:22:42.480 This might be something somewhat.

00:22:44.700 This is not an agreement to build a pipeline.

00:22:46.700 It's an agreement for a process to potentially build a pipeline.

00:22:51.920 It potentially makes it wildly uneconomical to do.

00:22:56.900 If you have to use, it'll be by Canadian steel provisions.

00:23:00.320 Uh, we've got the carbon tax built in.

00:23:02.940 Uh, and then it talks about it.

00:23:06.360 There's a verbal agreement.

00:23:07.860 And then there's the written agreement.

00:23:09.520 The written agreement does not say BC and first nations have a veto, but talks about meaningful

00:23:13.120 consultation and them being involved.

00:23:14.980 Um, but you know, I'm going to go to Jared and a bit about David Eby, but, uh, verbally

00:23:22.520 he said, no, BC and first nations have to be on side.

00:23:25.680 And if that's the case, there's a zero, like we, we may as well just bury this document

00:23:30.160 right now.

00:23:30.640 It's, it's the only thing that's getting in the ground.

00:23:33.260 Uh, there's a 0% chance this thing gets built.

00:23:36.920 Do you think?

00:23:39.220 Smith seemed genuinely proud of us and, and she does not have a reputation for being weak 0.86

00:23:43.700 on Ottawa, but do you think she got snuckered here?

00:23:48.620 Well, I'm not going to say that just yet, but boy, oh boy, you've raised such a raft of

00:23:54.080 questions in, in what you just said there.

00:23:56.920 I'm trying, you know, we're very good at trying to look at things from Alberta's point of view,

00:24:01.140 and we should, but I've been trying to think, well, all right, if I were Carney, what would

00:24:05.980 I'd be wanting out of this?

00:24:07.840 Um, you want to give the impression that you have a national reach, that you're not just

00:24:12.580 central Canada.

00:24:13.760 You want to give the impression that difficult though, Daniel Smith is to deal with.

00:24:18.980 I'm the man to, uh, to do it.

00:24:21.200 And, uh, I will go out and I'll engage with, uh, with a rebel premier and, uh, and we'll sit

00:24:27.880 down at the table and we'll work something out.

00:24:29.440 Um, that's the image I want to portray in Eastern Canada.

00:24:33.880 Now, so many of the things that we're talking about, we've just brought in the price of steel,

00:24:39.500 uh, into the discussion.

00:24:41.580 Yeah, that's, that's a big deal.

00:24:43.800 Um, the attitude of Quebec, I mean, you have to say, why, why would we care what Quebec thinks?

00:24:51.780 This is all Western Canada stuff.

00:24:53.540 They've had their say, they don't want a pipeline.

00:24:55.440 They didn't get one.

00:24:56.420 So why are we, why are we, what, what, what's their spot on the table there, but it's all

00:25:01.640 the, these are the details that people forget, you know, even have, even we have to make

00:25:07.800 the notes before we come into the, to the meeting to make sure we don't forget anything.

00:25:12.060 So what sticks in Eastern Canada is that the prime minister went out and met his biggest

00:25:19.820 political opponent.

00:25:20.960 They shook hands, they signed something and everybody smiled as they went their separate

00:25:25.840 ways.

00:25:26.580 That's a political win for Mr. Carney.

00:25:30.060 Don't ask about the details because then that doesn't look so good.

00:25:34.100 And with, uh, with premier Smith, I mean, she did do this two days before she had a big

00:25:40.200 speech to make at a convention.

00:25:42.060 Uh, at which point most people have, well, she may have expected that most people wouldn't

00:25:48.100 have got into the details.

00:25:49.360 It kind of sounds as if enough had that, you know, some of the applause was muted.

00:25:55.520 Uh, I can just see this whole thing as a charade, as a, as a, um, as a little bit of political

00:26:02.660 theater that met the temporary needs of two leaders at the same time.

00:26:07.040 Well, Corey, you were there with me as this agreement was booed.

00:26:11.700 It was roundly booed by the members, uh, on two days, the first day, uh, during a bear

00:26:18.420 pit kind of accountability session with the members.

00:26:20.520 And, you know, Smith went into this, I think, you know, beaming, genuinely believing she

00:26:26.980 had a win and she could hold this up and, you know, in front of the people and say, we

00:26:33.420 played tough, you know, and we won, we got this and people booed it the next day.

00:26:41.400 You know, she, uh, said, you know, let's not give up on our, I'm going to paraphrase

00:26:45.800 her, let's not give up on our country just as we're winning, uh, you know, for, uh, sovereign

00:26:50.620 Alberta with any United Canada and people booed again.

00:26:52.760 Now that time there was also some applause interspersed with it.

00:26:55.840 The room wasn't unanimously opposed to it.

00:26:58.020 That, that'd be an unfair characterization.

00:27:00.640 Uh, but she went into this convention, I, I think, uh, expecting this to be a, you know,

00:27:06.160 a triumphal victory, uh, entry into Rome.

00:27:09.380 And, uh, I, I, I, I, I was a kind of up two minds.

00:27:13.860 I was still not, I'm still not a hundred percent one way or another, but I was still

00:27:18.420 very much taking stock of it, analyzing it.

00:27:21.000 I was shocked for the, one of the first times in my life to find myself the moderate in the

00:27:25.000 room where most people were hard against it.

00:27:30.360 Uh, Smith's brilliant.

00:27:32.020 And I think highly of her, but she's got a tendency to forget what the membership thinks. 0.69

00:27:37.180 She does.

00:27:37.900 If anything, you give me a flashback of a time where she held up a thing and told Alberta,

00:27:42.500 uh, we won, it's over.

00:27:44.880 She'd negotiated a great deal with a political leader and you're going to say, I know, I

00:27:49.680 know I'm going to say it.

00:27:50.680 And it was the mass floor crossing, which was a political catastrophe and cost every

00:27:54.760 one of them, their seats.

00:27:56.320 Uh, the promised cabinet positions.

00:27:59.720 Uh, again, that leader fled on his commitments once he got pushed back from his own party,

00:28:03.900 as we're seeing Carney doing right now.

00:28:05.520 And he rug pulled her and I could see Carney doing it to her again.

00:28:09.400 I think some of it is Daniel Smith trying to see the best in people.

00:28:12.780 She really does and tries to think this is genuine.

00:28:15.300 This can go somewhere, but forgot what the members might think instead.

00:28:19.320 And she better be really, really careful now.

00:28:22.640 And hopefully it was a wake up because as I said, everybody at the AGM really does seem

00:28:26.420 to love Premier Smith.

00:28:27.620 They think very highly of her, but we know how quickly conservative minds can change.

00:28:32.200 She's gotten a warning shot and I hope she's thinking really, really hard about it.

00:28:35.820 Yeah.

00:28:36.340 I, um, I was going to say, but I, I, you know, I get Prentice vibes from Carney.

00:28:44.180 I mean, looks good and professional, comfortable in the corporate boardroom accomplished, very

00:28:51.980 much hailed and respected by the blue bloods, that type of crowd.

00:28:58.620 And I mean, Daniel fell for it with him to catastrophic ends.

00:29:05.120 And I, I'm not saying this is the same thing, but I, I get, I get Prentice vibes.

00:29:11.000 That's what I mean.

00:29:11.560 I'm not saying it's the same, but some of that feel is coming up and hopefully she's just

00:29:15.240 learned for, yeah.

00:29:16.120 And, and I think that, you know, the, she's always, the members do love her, but they still

00:29:20.780 remember that.

00:29:22.060 And I, I mean, and it took a lot for forgiveness to take place there, but they did.

00:29:27.000 But they have not forgotten.

00:29:29.320 So I, I don't know.

00:29:30.040 If I was Smith, I'd be trading very cautiously around, uh, around Carney here.

00:29:34.260 Uh, let's get the BC perspective on this.

00:29:38.000 Um, David, according to the written agreement, David Eby has to be meaningfully consulted.

00:29:45.600 First nations along the route need to be meaningfully consulted.

00:29:48.080 According to Carney verbally, they have to agree, uh, if the verbal one is the case and

00:29:55.460 it actually, because it's an MOU, it's not actually a legally binding contract.

00:29:58.780 It's a memorandum of understanding.

00:30:00.640 You can't take an MOU to a court.

00:30:02.500 It is not a contract.

00:30:03.820 But, um, I mean, if they are given some kind of veto, never, their consents required, like

00:30:10.640 it is just done and there's no sense discussing it.

00:30:13.840 Uh, but I, I know David Eby responded by, he said something very odd.

00:30:18.540 He's open to another pipeline, but so long as the Northwest coast tanker ban remains in

00:30:24.280 place.

00:30:24.440 So you can, you can build the pipeline, but you're just not allowed to spend the oil anywhere.

00:30:29.640 Like it can just sit in, you know, infinitely accruing pile of barrels in a port somewhere

00:30:36.700 on the West coast.

00:30:38.260 Um, where is Eby on this one right now?

00:30:41.960 Yeah.

00:30:42.820 Uh, so that, yeah, you summed it up pretty well there.

00:30:46.300 Uh, the thing with the BC coast is the, the tanker ban covers pretty much everything North

00:30:51.040 of Vancouver Island.

00:30:51.940 And then obviously you have Vancouver Island in the way.

00:30:55.580 So you're not going to build a port anywhere along there.

00:30:57.840 And there's no cities anyways, leaving only one option, Vancouver and, uh, Burrard Inlet.

00:31:04.520 It's already, uh, too shallow to allow the, uh, existing TMX pipeline to operate at full

00:31:10.600 capacity.

00:31:12.480 So nobody's going to want to build a third pipeline next to two that already don't fully

00:31:20.700 work.

00:31:21.000 So I think what Eby is doing is kind of in a, or beat around the bush way of saying, yeah,

00:31:27.660 this has never happened.

00:31:30.720 Yeah.

00:31:31.920 Um, I wouldn't imagine so.

00:31:33.700 Like he, I mean, the, the, the hardcore eco green movements, you know, a pretty major part

00:31:39.000 of the BC NDP coalition.

00:31:40.660 Um, at what point does the federal government actually exercise the power it says it has

00:31:46.760 to control movement of product across, uh, provincial buildings?

00:31:50.460 Maybe he does.

00:31:52.020 Maybe he does.

00:31:53.080 I, like, I'm, I'm trying not to be overly partisan or ideological about this.

00:31:58.920 Maybe he does.

00:31:59.920 Maybe he still remembers this.

00:32:02.120 Pardon?

00:32:02.160 Where did that start?

00:32:03.160 Where did that start?

00:32:03.200 You thought being over partisan?

00:32:04.820 I, I, I, I, I mean, the federal government comes to Alberta and says, you better do things

00:32:12.240 our way.

00:32:13.080 We want net zero by 2035.

00:32:15.200 Okay.

00:32:15.720 Make it 2050.

00:32:17.200 Uh, your, um, your pipeline projects are not going anywhere unless we say so.

00:32:22.940 All right.

00:32:23.980 Well, now you're saying they will.

00:32:25.520 Are you stating they still aren't going to go anywhere?

00:32:28.260 Either the federal government has, uh, control over interprovincial trade, uh, movements or

00:32:36.040 it doesn't.

00:32:36.660 And right now he seems to be hiding.

00:32:38.900 This is the, this is the bad thing about Carney.

00:32:41.680 It always tells you something and then says, of course there's, you, you made reference to

00:32:45.200 it earlier, but it's conditional on something else.

00:32:47.800 Yeah.

00:32:47.860 Well, I, I, I, maybe end with this, that we have a likely independence referendum coming

00:32:54.760 up in 2026.

00:32:56.860 There needs to be a hard deadline for approvals.

00:33:01.500 I mean, and, and by Canadian standards, that is warp speed to get there that fast, but there

00:33:06.620 needs to be a hard deadline on approvals before that vote takes place.

00:33:11.020 We should probably schedule the vote for next fall and we should, we should know this, but,

00:33:15.500 uh, the answer to this by September.

00:33:17.220 So Albert's.

00:33:18.420 The Tucker ban is federal legislation.

00:33:20.440 It's, it's in Carney's, uh, uh, bring that in.

00:33:24.680 Is it, is this even feasible?

00:33:26.140 Because it has, has the conditions attached to this made this thing economical between

00:33:30.060 the carbon tax, between buy Canadian steel provisions, uh, you know, uh, carbon sequestration

00:33:36.200 between all of this stuff.

00:33:37.380 Is it even going to be economically viable?

00:33:39.440 But there are some deadlines built into the MOU.

00:33:41.800 That's one thing positive to kind of be said about it.

00:33:43.940 There's some April ones and some June ones that at least start some, you know, road signs

00:33:47.920 to say whether you've actually made any progress working towards this.

00:33:51.440 And if they don't hit those, then, you know, again, I already think this thing's dead.

00:33:55.400 To be honest, I'm getting from skeptical to cynical, but those are in there.

00:33:59.640 And yeah, if there's an active independence referendum campaign going and these deadlines

00:34:03.620 come with even those relatively modest goals haven't been reached, uh, it's going to look

00:34:09.620 really ugly on voting day.

00:34:11.040 And Daniel doesn't have to defend it any longer after that.

00:34:13.640 No.

00:34:14.340 So that changes the equation as well.

00:34:16.920 Yeah.

00:34:17.260 Well, or will she move the goalposts again? 1.00

00:34:19.220 That's where she's getting in some real danger.

00:34:20.920 Yeah.

00:34:21.180 We can't allow that.

00:34:22.500 We're going to have to hold her feet to the fire on this stuff. 1.00

00:34:24.540 There's no, we, we, we got a referendum likely coming up here and these dates mean something

00:34:30.740 in this MOU.

00:34:32.320 You hold to them.

00:34:33.300 If they don't, we declare this thing dead.

00:34:35.300 Yeah.

00:34:35.800 Well, that's it.

00:34:36.360 And we vote accordingly.

00:34:37.320 If she can say that the dates have come and passed despite my best efforts, they didn't

00:34:42.060 happen.

00:34:42.920 Then, uh, whose fault is it?

00:34:45.160 Obviously the federal government's not hers. 1.00

00:34:46.820 This referendum gives her some, some leverage. 1.00

00:34:49.080 Yes, she does.

00:34:49.720 It does.

00:34:50.060 Okay.

00:34:51.040 Uh, we don't have a ton of time for it, but let's talk about Bill C9, Nigel.

00:34:56.060 This is, uh, I guess the new, uh, you know, hurt feelings online act.

00:35:01.260 Uh, there had been provisions in it that, you know, if you express a sincerely health religious

00:35:06.180 view, uh, you know, I mean, there, there's some spicy verses in the Bible and in the Quran,

00:35:11.160 uh, around homosexuality and things like that, um, that, you know, don't go over well in

00:35:18.040 a modern, uh, progressive cocktail party.

00:35:20.840 Um, but there was protections ostensibly for, uh, sincerely held religious views expressed,

00:35:27.560 uh, that in order to, uh, secure, uh, support of the block of the legislation have been stripped

00:35:34.320 out.

00:35:34.560 Well, you know, I, I, I, I think the liberals are brave.

00:35:38.680 If you're going to go up against God, get ready.

00:35:42.160 It's not going to go ahead and well, um, look, Bill C9, there's two things to say.

00:35:48.460 One is, um, Bill C9 is ostensibly about online protection for children.

00:35:55.000 And what it says in there is, you know, fair enough if that's what you want to do.

00:36:00.640 We actually already have the legislation to do all that stuff, but protecting children

00:36:05.760 from online predators, making it illegal to, uh, distribute, uh, non-consensual, um, erotic

00:36:12.800 pictures and that sort of thing.

00:36:14.520 But it's in the bill and they're defending it on that basis.

00:36:18.200 What they have also done is they introduced a second stream in there, which deals with

00:36:24.800 anti-hate.

00:36:26.880 And that's where they, you know, I don't know who would actually want to hoist a swastika

00:36:33.520 on their, uh, on their flagpole in their back lawn.

00:36:37.000 I don't see that happening, but if they did, they would be breaking the law, a big accomplishment.

00:36:44.480 I think it's more aimed at Muslim expressions of, uh, Muslimism in Quebec.

00:36:51.440 I think that's what's driving this, but to kind of make it look, um, to make it look fair,

00:36:57.120 they have also said, well, by the way, the Bible says some unkind things about homosexuality.

00:37:04.160 We've got to ban that as well.

00:37:05.600 And it's part of a back scratching deal between the government and the, uh, and, and, and the,

00:37:11.760 um, the block and the block Quebecois.

00:37:14.000 Now, the second thing to say is that although it would be possible for Christian conservatives

00:37:19.360 to get mightily angry about this, and they should because it's wrong, nevertheless, they'd have to

00:37:27.120 understand that the liberal party, which is backing this, has got a very different world view.

00:37:35.760 And within their world view, they are being entirely consistent.

00:37:40.720 So it illustrates the deep cultural divide in this country at this time.

00:37:47.200 Um, you know, the temptation when you see Mark Miller out there saying, well, you know,

00:37:52.480 we're going to have to, to ban the, ban these passages of the Bible.

00:37:56.560 They're not going to be used as a, a defense of, uh, genuinely held belief anymore.

00:38:01.840 You know, your back goes up and you think, well, who are you to say that the Bible is wrong?

00:38:05.840 Well, within their essentially, uh, uh, atheistic point of view, that's that they're doing exactly

00:38:14.800 what you would expect them to do.

00:38:17.520 Um, I'm surprised it's taken this long to get here.

00:38:21.680 Uh, Corey, the bill was, I mean, ran into similar trouble in the previous parliament under Trudeau.

00:38:29.200 They've essentially just trying again here, I guess.

00:38:32.480 They said, ah, we're going to avoid some of the prep falls of the last one.

00:38:35.120 They, they do not appear to be, um, the UK, I think, uh, Ukraine arrests, not even accounting

00:38:41.680 for the difference of population size, UK arrests, uh, arrests, arrests in gross numbers,

00:38:47.680 three times as many people a year for online comments as Russia.

00:38:52.000 Now, to be fair, in Russia, they just desentestate you in some case.

00:38:55.840 They fall off a bell.

00:38:56.400 Yeah.

00:38:56.720 Yeah.

00:38:56.960 You, you, you, you, yeah, you fall out the window.

00:38:59.360 Uh, so I'm not accounting for those numbers and that's real, but that's probably not a big

00:39:04.080 number, but it's a, it's a harsher punishment than you get in Canada for, uh, or in Britain

00:39:08.480 for hurting feelings.

00:39:09.600 But they're, uh, Britain arrests three times as many people a year and Russia has a significantly

00:39:15.280 larger population than Britain.

00:39:17.920 Uh, the worry is this is going to put us on the same trajectory.

00:39:22.080 You go to prison for sharing memes.

00:39:25.440 Um, there doesn't appear to be much of the way in pushback, uh, there's elements of the,

00:39:32.880 I guess, you know, the center-right establishment mainstream conservative media, uh, you know,

00:39:37.440 like the post-media stuff is, yeah, it is, it's around it on their opinion sections, but

00:39:41.120 there doesn't seem to be any major, major pushback from this.

00:39:44.960 Even the conservatives, I think, are a little tepid on it.

00:39:49.120 No, it makes for hard political games to play because you know how it always works.

00:39:52.400 You're defending hate, you're defending fascism, you're doing-

00:39:55.120 I mean, you want to be the guy who defends the right to fly a National Socialist flag.

00:39:58.720 No, that, that's not, that's not good politics.

00:40:00.880 Yeah, exactly.

00:40:01.600 And I find that I'm, I'll take that stance as a libertarian.

00:40:04.480 I find the flag disgusting and anybody who wants to waive it is doing so, but I don't

00:40:08.480 think it should be illegalized.

00:40:09.520 Uh, you know, it should just be pointed out and let the public, uh, bury that down.

00:40:14.080 Likewise, with religious texts.

00:40:15.440 I mean, most of them in every religion, if you go back, they don't,

00:40:19.200 match the standards of modern living.

00:40:20.800 If you want to take a literal interpretation of them, well, there'd be people pushing to

00:40:24.560 have slaves and, uh, you know, uh, have sacrifices and things, depending on how far

00:40:29.200 right the Old Testament you want to go.

00:40:30.880 It's, but the modern world has moved past that without banning the texts.

00:40:34.160 There's been reformation.

00:40:35.200 There's been, you know, just realizing that we don't take those interpretations

00:40:39.360 as they, they are in public.

00:40:41.600 Well, I guess part of the problem, uh, Islam, uh, Islam's a different, uh, we, I think generally

00:40:49.840 the Christian world, which has a more elastic interpretation of some of these texts.

00:40:55.600 Whereas in Islam, it's, you know, the Quran is the literal divine, not divinely inspired, 0.87

00:41:01.440 but is the literal written word of God.

00:41:04.480 And it is, and of course, not every Muslim takes it this way, but very significant numbers

00:41:10.480 of Muslims do.

00:41:12.160 And, and so, yeah, some of their texts, uh, spicier sections, if you will, um, a lot of

00:41:18.560 people do take it very, uh, literally.

00:41:22.720 And I get that some groups don't feel safe from that, but guess what?

00:41:27.280 That's the price of a free society.

00:41:28.720 They're going to get to say some stuff that makes you feel very uncomfortable.

00:41:31.920 Well, certainly.

00:41:32.480 And I mean, we have to go after the crime rather than the texts.

00:41:35.120 I mean, I'm an atheist and my views in, in some of the countries in the Middle East,

00:41:39.440 if I tried to put those out in the open, that's the same crime because what my thoughts

00:41:44.000 and speech wouldn't be allowed and I would be beaten down because it's a theocracy on the

00:41:48.320 same other side of the coin.

00:41:50.160 You can't ban the texts.

00:41:51.440 You just ban the acts and, you know, and murder and, and, uh, honor killings.

00:41:56.080 And some of the other things that people might use their texts to try and justify.

00:41:59.440 We just don't allow that.

00:42:00.400 But the government's using that, I think just as a easy target, low hanging fruit to

00:42:03.920 bring in another bill that's controlling speech.

00:42:05.920 So they'll go after those extreme elements and say, we need to do it because of this.

00:42:09.600 But as you said, it's going to come to the point where people are going to be getting

00:42:12.720 incarcerated for memes and then we all lose.

00:42:15.440 It's dangerous, dangerous territory.

00:42:17.040 I mean, I always err on the side of freedom.

00:42:18.960 Yeah.

00:42:19.920 Okay.

00:42:20.480 Well, we're going to put a pit in that and go to our parting shots.

00:42:24.640 First one, uh, uh, Jared, I'm going to give you a little more time since you're, uh,

00:42:29.840 new to the show.

00:42:30.400 Uh, we'll start with, uh, Nigel.

00:42:32.400 Okay.

00:42:33.440 So what Nigel thinks is that we just have the, uh, the numbers on medical assistance in dying

00:42:39.600 and they reveal that the practice continues to grow.

00:42:44.400 Um, the, uh, you know, you try to be so organized with these things, but look, uh,

00:42:50.880 uh, 16,499 people received medical assistance in dying in 2024 figures just out on Friday.

00:43:00.560 And what they, a lot of people have missed is that more than 22,000 were actually approved

00:43:06.400 for medical assistance in dying.

00:43:08.240 Now, some did back off, decided to change their minds.

00:43:11.840 But, uh, you know, there were more than 4,000 who were approved who didn't get it.

00:43:17.680 And here we are.

00:43:18.480 How often do we hear about somebody who wants a life-saving procedure, dies on the waiting

00:43:23.760 list.

00:43:24.160 You can't even get a death procedure. 0.99

00:43:26.720 Uh, you'll die on the waiting list, waiting for assisted suicide.

00:43:30.560 So that is the most Canadian thing ever. 0.96

00:43:32.320 Yeah, it's, uh, yes, it's a hell of a thing.

00:43:35.840 Dying for death. 0.99

00:43:36.560 Dying, waiting to be killed. 1.00

00:43:37.680 Yes. 1.00

00:43:38.000 Yeah.

00:43:38.320 Cory.

00:43:39.120 Uh, just, uh, reminding folks that it's not just, uh, the pipeline that's being held

00:43:43.920 up going to the west.

00:43:44.720 There's indigenous leaders as reported in the standard saying that the ring of fire development's

00:43:48.640 never going to happen in Ontario as well, which is in the major projects office.

00:43:53.120 So Kearney, you can't hide from this.

00:43:55.440 You got to take a stand one way or another.

00:43:57.120 Either nothing's getting done or you're having a fight with the indigenous leaders.

00:44:00.560 Jared, your parting shot.

00:44:04.480 Um, so I actually don't have a parting shot, but I have something that's even more.

00:44:08.560 I didn't actually tell you to have one ready.

00:44:10.480 So I sprung this on yet.

00:44:13.120 Uh, so the BC conservative party just released a statement saying that they, uh, the board

00:44:18.880 certified that Rustad is professionally incapacitated and thus unable to get continuous party leader

00:44:25.280 under the constitution.

00:44:26.240 There's only, there's a number of ways you can get rid of a leader.

00:44:29.280 Either they die or, uh, they didn't kill him.

00:44:34.000 They didn't kill him. 0.98

00:44:34.640 Right.

00:44:34.800 No.

00:44:35.760 All right.

00:44:36.080 All right.

00:44:36.400 All right.

00:44:36.480 All right.

00:44:36.640 Just put it on the record.

00:44:37.840 Just his career resignation, death, incapacitation, or a leadership review vote.

00:44:43.840 And so they got creative and, uh, incapacitation.

00:44:47.840 It's, it's kind of like article 25 of the U S constitution.

00:44:51.600 It usually deals with, with health issues.

00:44:53.760 And he was, they argued that he's professionally incapacitated.

00:44:58.720 So there you go.

00:45:01.920 And it's now, uh, if it's, if the party is structured, anything like in Alberta, that's

00:45:06.880 a bylaw under the societies act, and it could technically be challenged in court, but I mean,

00:45:11.200 do you really want to have it?

00:45:12.480 Also, in the meantime, there is always the option.

00:45:14.960 Um, one small party in Alberta did this.

00:45:17.680 Uh, they ousted their leader, the wild rose independence party to house their leader.

00:45:21.440 They just literally revoked his membership.

00:45:23.120 And if you're not a member of the party, you can't be the leader of the party.

00:45:25.760 And so that's like, there, there are ways.

00:45:29.760 Okay.

00:45:30.720 All right.

00:45:31.040 Well, that's, that's interesting.

00:45:32.320 Uh, that's a good party shot.

00:45:34.560 It's not really a party shot, but it's a, it's a good bulletin.

00:45:37.280 Thank you.

00:45:37.680 Uh, all right, mine, um, Milo, uh, I'm jealous of this one.

00:45:42.960 A, uh, Canadian manufacturer sold 20 APCs, armored personnel carriers to ICE in America

00:45:51.600 to help root out and get rid of illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:45:55.760 My only problem with that is I want them here.

00:45:59.680 I want them here.

00:46:00.720 The vehicles, not the immigrants. 0.99

00:46:01.840 Yeah.

00:46:02.400 I want them here rounding up all the people that we illegally allow in, uh, out.

00:46:11.280 We're going to need some APCs here.

00:46:12.720 So that's, that's my only problem with it is America stealing our APCs to deal with their 0.55

00:46:16.720 illegal migration problem.

00:46:18.480 Okay.

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Western Standard - December 09, 2025

THE PIPELINE： ‘Professionally incapacitated’： John Rustad voted out

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