Western Standard - October 10, 2026


THE PIPELINE: Quebec’s PQ win revives independence. What does it mean for Alberta?

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00:00:00.000 G'day, today is October 7th, 2026, I'm Derek Phil, the Brandt publisher of the Western
00:00:28.640 standard and you're watching the pipeline i've got two of our regulars here our former opinion
00:00:34.560 editor nigel hannaford is away on vacation today but we've got you are some of our usual lineup
00:00:41.200 here our senior alberta columnist cory morgan good day our news editor dave nailer hello and
00:00:48.320 coming to us from an undisclosed location in british columbia is our reporter alex zoltan
00:00:56.080 Thank you for having me.
00:00:57.940 All right.
00:00:59.560 Well, we've got Alex here because we're going to be talking about BC's election,
00:01:04.980 which is just incredible, what's happening.
00:01:07.600 Supposed to be a crushing supermajority for David Eby,
00:01:11.660 who called an election halfway through his mandate, breaking the fixed election date law.
00:01:16.340 So two years early.
00:01:18.380 And if polls are too believed, he is headed best for a minority,
00:01:24.640 but most likely actually to get completely clobbered.
00:01:28.320 And the Conservatives, who were leaderless and chaotic, to put it extremely mildly,
00:01:33.800 looking to form a pretty thumping majority government.
00:01:38.340 We'll see.
00:01:40.420 Speaking of elections, though, we just had an election in Quebec on Monday evening.
00:01:47.060 And the Parti Québécois won it, if you can call it winning.
00:01:51.080 I mean, it's the 28% of the votes, pretty, pretty thin rule for forming government.
00:01:55.960 It's a minority.
00:01:57.160 And it's split quite with very healthy, strong caucuses for all the other parties in the legislature.
00:02:04.740 Those parties of which does not include the CAC, the Coalition Avec Quebec, whatever.
00:02:11.700 That's my best.
00:02:12.240 Heaven here.
00:02:13.040 God.
00:02:13.700 Yeah, Coalition Avenir Quebec.
00:02:15.300 The CAC.
00:02:15.860 Anyway, the CAC, the CAC is whack.
00:02:18.480 It's gone.
00:02:18.980 Um, so we're going to talk about the Quebec election, uh, in particular to what impact or influence that might have on the coming Alberta quasi-independence referendum of October 19th.
00:02:32.940 But first, we're going to start with transnational news, uh, an arrest, uh, in the Tubler Ridge, uh, mass shooting case, uh, yesterday.
00:02:43.920 uh David was in uh Washington state so you know pretty culturally similar to uh parts at least of
00:02:51.380 British Columbia um we uh I remember we uh we were really leading with our nose uh when that story
00:02:58.880 was breaking at the Western Standard was the first media outlet on the planet to confirm uh the
00:03:04.160 identity of the shooter we um we had pretty strong suspicions that this was a trans-related shooting
00:03:10.260 we are the first on the planet to confirm it was and then you know you had politicians and the
00:03:15.180 entire nearly the entire legacy media in Canada all crying how dare you even pointed out uh that
00:03:20.860 the the shooter is trans this has nothing to do with it when it very obviously did we did not use
00:03:25.840 the preferred pronouns of the shooter people thought we were uh racist or something for that
00:03:30.360 I don't I forget how that works now um uh but yeah an arrest of an accomplice in uh Washington
00:03:38.340 state yes and uh surprisingly he was also trans surprisingly but it has nothing to do with the
00:03:45.700 case no nothing to do with the case but this guy was up to his elbows in it uh he had met the the
00:03:52.020 tumblr ridge shooter online a couple of years ago and they they went through the plot and
00:03:58.340 he sent him money to buy stockings and and nice shoes to wear for the shooting was it the sugar
00:04:06.900 mommy or daddy uh i'm trying to get it right yeah sugar thing uh sugar thing sugar thing um but yeah
00:04:15.780 he was instrumental in planning it they did dry runs he was going to live stream it on on facebook
00:04:22.660 uh thank god facebook shut it down after after a few seconds and his involvement was so much that
00:04:31.220 After the killer had wiped out his family, he went to drive to the school to shoot it up, and he couldn't get the car going.
00:04:39.640 So this guy in Washington State helped him get the car going, giving them instructions on what to do to get the car going.
00:04:47.100 And then, you know, followed him along as he shot up the school.
00:04:50.720 So the FBI was called in, and yeah, he's, you know, hopefully they haven't really said yet,
00:04:57.860 But hopefully, uh, they try him in the States and not Canada, because he'll
00:05:02.540 do way more time in the States, uh, than he ever would here.
00:05:06.560 Well, I think the charge against him is aiding a murder in a foreign country.
00:05:11.720 So, I mean, that's a domestic charge on the part of the Americans.
00:05:14.480 So I would suspect there's no talk about extradition or anything.
00:05:17.120 He committed his crime from the United States.
00:05:19.700 No, I mean, oh God, I mean, he'd be let out for within weeks.
00:05:24.860 But yeah, it's, you know, we first brought it out, but it is a big issue now. You look at all the recent school shootings in the United States, and a lot of them are trans-related. They're done by kids who say they're transitioning. And it shows, you know, a mental illness that is a huge problem.
00:05:44.540 It doesn't necessarily mean that being trans is a mental illness, but yeah, it's insensitive to say, but it's obvious we know it that at the very least a large portion, if not, there's a direct correlation with gender dysphoria, being trans, with at least it being a symptom of some other mental illness.
00:06:06.340 Not that being trans is a mental illness, but it's often, it seems that it's obviously a symptom of something.
00:06:11.740 You know, some trans people are just living stable, normal lives.
00:06:14.980 They've just transitioned, done what they're doing and good on them, fine, be happy. 0.77
00:06:18.700 But there is, and because it's become such a trend, it has, let's face it. 0.85
00:06:22.300 You know, where did the goth kids go? 0.62
00:06:23.620 They all disappeared. 1.00
00:06:24.480 If you're discontent with things, you're miserable.
00:06:26.740 There was goth there. 0.96
00:06:28.200 Oh, okay.
00:06:29.040 Well.
00:06:29.100 There were kids.
00:06:30.140 Either way.
00:06:30.840 Yeah.
00:06:31.060 You know, I'm just saying there's always a degree of kids who weren't fitting when well
00:06:34.680 or aren't mentally well or so on and they embrace something.
00:06:38.540 I think a degree of them.
00:06:39.620 I mean, I know people could jump all over.
00:06:41.040 you're not a psychiatrist. Okay, fine. But still, I mean, I can speculate. They're obviously
00:06:45.880 mentally disturbed. Nobody in their right mind wants to go out and kill people. They've jumped 1.00
00:06:51.360 into trans. They're not comfortable with who they are, what they are, whatever it is. And they hope 1.00
00:06:54.940 that would be a solution. Well, maybe I'm up. I mean, they're getting fed that by so many fronts
00:06:58.520 too. Well, oh, your problem is just that you're the wrong gender. If you would just embrace that, 1.00
00:07:02.220 everything will be all right. And I think that's part of the problem. They embrace that. They
00:07:05.440 transition. They try their things. They throw on a skirt and then find out, no, I'm just as screwed
00:07:09.600 it up and discontent and messed up as I ever was before I did this. 0.93
00:07:12.240 In fact, I'm even more of a social pariah now and the really twisted
00:07:15.960 ones can snap farther off the edge.
00:07:17.520 I mean, we have to admit that, have to admit that yeah, as Dave said, you know,
00:07:21.100 it could be a symptom of a bigger issue.
00:07:23.260 It's, it's not typical and I know it's a sensitive issue and I know we
00:07:27.500 don't want to blanket just everybody who's wearing a, you know, outside
00:07:31.060 gender clothing is going to be dangerous or do anything like that.
00:07:33.640 But we, we can't hide from the, the fact, this is more than a 0.99
00:07:37.040 little bit of a pattern now.
00:07:38.160 Alex has been through the 41-page indictment, and it details a lot of the conversation, so I'd like to hear what stood out for him.
00:07:47.320 Yeah, Alex, you went through the indictment.
00:07:50.620 What stands out for you that we don't already know from kind of the major headlines in legacy media?
00:07:58.100 Yeah, so I think what stood out for me and what I think is getting lost a little bit in the trans discussion is the fact that this was just a predatory adult speaking to a minor.
00:08:06.040 And I'd actually be curious to hear your guys' thoughts on whether this changes your thinking or leads to an evolution in your thinking in terms of age verification for these platforms.
00:08:17.680 Well, no, no. I mean, like, screwed up people don't get the cause, everyone else losing their freedoms, period.
00:08:24.080 I mean, the Internet is going to be a place of predators. It's going to be a place of creeps. 0.91
00:08:29.180 And there is only so much we can do to protect it. It's not worth giving up our liberties for it.
00:08:33.860 But yeah, so there's that dynamic. But what else in the indictment stands out for you that you saw in there?
00:08:43.860 Yeah, there were some particularly disturbing images. I mean, this kind of circles back to the trans issue, but one of them was a picture of the gun that was used allegedly in the crime, which was interesting because the RCMP has been quite reluctant to release any information related to that.
00:09:02.500 And the gun had a trans activism sticker on it and also had what appeared to be a trans activism sticker or maybe a scrunchie along the barrel of the gun.
00:09:12.740 The journalist, Andy Ngo, who I believe is based out of Portland, but I think he goes into Washington state quite often, made the rather interesting point that this means people would have been killed literally through the barrel of a trans gun, which is quite disturbing to think about.
00:09:27.680 What type of firearm was it?
00:09:30.020 uh you have to you have to modify the barrel if it's gonna be trans yeah invert the trigger
00:09:35.980 this is getting dark yeah no i think the gun i mean and i'm not a gun guy i'm here in bc but i
00:09:44.400 think it's an sks if i'm not mistaken does that make sense yeah that's a it's a pretty that's a
00:09:49.880 very common and cheap semi-automatic uh rifle from europe and it's uh i mean there's there's
00:09:56.900 Hundreds of thousands, very likely, in Canada, more in the States.
00:10:00.300 That's part of why I was asking, because that actually just gets into a side issue.
00:10:03.380 They'll go too far in the rabbit hole, but that's been one that has avoided the ban list
00:10:07.860 because it's very common among indigenous hunters. 0.95
00:10:10.540 Well, they tried to ban it, but they didn't have any actual gun owners in the Liberal government,
00:10:14.520 and they realized they pissed off indigenous gun owners, and so they unbanned it quickly.
00:10:17.680 They're trying to figure out what to do.
00:10:18.580 Isn't there an old Russian World War II model?
00:10:22.240 That's what these are, just post-World War II.
00:10:24.600 No, yeah, they're post-war, but they're semi-automatic.
00:10:27.540 To somebody who doesn't know guns, they might think it's like an AK-47.
00:10:31.120 It's not. 1.00
00:10:31.860 But it is an Eastern Bloc. 0.89
00:10:34.680 I'm not going to say much about them, but they're manufactured often in former Czechoslovakia. 0.98
00:10:41.560 They're cheap, reliable, utilitarian.
00:10:43.700 They use the same ammunition as an AK-47.
00:10:46.400 Yeah, they shoot cheap 7.62, which you can buy by the crate cheap.
00:10:50.240 Stinks.
00:10:51.160 It does stink. 0.92
00:10:52.340 Alex, was there stuff in the indictment about the RCMP knowing of this kid in advance,
00:10:59.060 knowing of his mental problems and knowing of his weapons?
00:11:03.680 So just a little bit of a correction.
00:11:05.960 It wasn't an indictment.
00:11:06.960 It was a criminal complaint.
00:11:08.000 And because I'm not an expert on American legal nomenclature, I don't really know what
00:11:12.720 the difference is there.
00:11:13.640 But I know that the CBC posted a correction on that.
00:11:15.840 So I assume it's somewhat relevant.
00:11:17.080 And in the criminal complaint, they mentioned that Discord had reached out to the RCMP proactively with regards to information that they had connected to the Tumblr Ridge shooter.
00:11:29.360 The RCMP had already disclosed that they were familiar with Jesse Van Rootselaar because they had been there on numerous wellness checks.
00:11:39.280 He had also tried burning his own house down, which I think they had to attend to.
00:11:42.540 so this was there any evidence though i guess of any flags coming up with that other gentleman in
00:11:49.900 the united states before any of this happened i mean there was obviously a lot of conversation
00:11:53.320 and planning but and i'm glad he's caught even after the fact but was there any possible chance
00:11:58.420 of heading this off i i don't think so i imagine that it's fairly difficult for these um social
00:12:04.960 media applications or companies to parse through what is serious and what is sarcastic i imagine
00:12:10.340 people say all kinds of crazy things on the internet that they don't actually intend to do
00:12:14.580 so i would be surprised if there was any advance warning provided to the police
00:12:19.300 so i i wanted before we move on i want to talk about media coverage of it so as i mentioned you
00:12:24.660 know when the westerns when the original tumblr ridge shooting took place you know we were we
00:12:29.300 were up late we had uh was it will vassar well yeah we sent will vassar our edmonton report he
00:12:35.460 was actually the closest to tumblr ridge we had him drive all the way from edmonton overnight
00:12:40.180 to get there in the morning but we actually had contacts on the ground living in Tumblr Ridge
00:12:45.580 kind of just lucky that we actually had knew some people so we you know we confirmed the identity
00:12:51.020 and the gender identity of of the shooter uh as the first meeting in the world on this story
00:12:55.920 uh but either you're the CBC Toronto Star uh all the usual CTV Global they all ran stories about
00:13:05.540 how is this was bigoted to even mention the gender identity of of the shooter um you know it raised
00:13:13.700 questions for us first when it was not a male shooter because most violent crimes are committed
00:13:18.740 by men and then this was identified as the police kind of intimated a oh there was a female shooter
00:13:25.540 ish and then we instantly knew we're like bet it's not bet it's not wasn't there initial sort of text
00:13:33.620 active shooter dress in a dress or just in a dress they didn't say one they didn't say man
00:13:41.460 that's a little what infuriates me with this if we have an active scene it's like exactly it's
00:13:47.140 like the edmonton one two with that predator they released and i remember reading that press release
00:13:51.940 and it says this woman who's got a history of you know uh molesting children and things like that
00:13:56.500 be on the lookout and i thought wow and then i click on the release and open it up and there's
00:14:00.260 a dude with a five o'clock shadow and earrings on like if you really want to make the public safe
00:14:05.300 i would have been out looking for a woman by that description just say it on the radio just say what
00:14:10.100 it is for the sake of public safety i'm sorry if it's insensitive but too damn bad if we get an
00:14:14.580 active shooter i want as accurate a description as possible so the people out there know what
00:14:19.540 to watch for when they hunker down well i i could be wrong about this but i believe the original
00:14:24.260 police warning was a woman wearing a dress which i found particularly disturbing because that would
00:14:31.060 put any woman wearing a dress technically at risk right because people could mistake her for the
00:14:35.860 shooting it's a live situation yeah and and the description well the description was also a red 1.00
00:14:42.180 flag for many people number one as you've already noted um it's very rare for women to engage in 0.98
00:14:46.980 mass shooting incidents and number two a woman wearing a dress is sort of a redundant phrase
00:14:51.540 It's like saying a man wearing pants, right?
00:14:54.400 I mean, yeah, it set off red flags for a lot of people and led them to speculate.
00:14:59.320 So, Alex, my question is about media coverage of this, the Washington state arrest here in British Columbia.
00:15:06.840 So I know, you know, we had a lot of media attacking us for being whatever phobics and isms when we named the shooter as trans.
00:15:17.760 And then we discussed the relevance of it on shows and in opinion pieces afterwards.
00:15:25.360 How has the media that you've seen, legacy media you've seen, covering the Washington State arrest of the transnational shooter,
00:15:35.720 have they been respecting preferred pronouns?
00:15:39.080 Have they been trying to leave, have they mentioned or not the trans identity of the shooter?
00:15:44.660 what kind of nomenclature have they used in this yeah so much like in Canada and NBC in particular
00:15:52.340 much of the mainstream or legacy media if you will have been referring to the individual Cody
00:15:57.860 James Bryant as a she they also referred to him as a she in the courtroom which is again analogous
00:16:04.380 to what we would typically do here in British Columbia but there is also some alt we for lack
00:16:08.480 of a better term what you might refer to as alternative media who are referring to the
00:16:13.600 individual by the pronouns that correspond with his biological sex.
00:16:19.000 It is striking too, though, that other aspect, I'm glad you brought up
00:16:22.000 because I just hadn't thought of it really, but you know, this is another
00:16:24.760 facet when we are talking about a predatory online person, though.
00:16:28.760 It is something to be concerned about.
00:16:30.700 The age spread is big and this is worse than, you know, just your run of the
00:16:34.520 mill pervert, if you want to call it that.
00:16:36.080 I mean, he helped and counseled that guy into committing one of the most
00:16:39.940 horrific things we've ever seen in Western Canada.
00:16:41.920 Yeah, I completely agree. I don't think that I will be breaking any news when I say that the internet is swimming with predators. But I think that that is kind of the bigger issue that maybe we're losing here is the fact that, you know, it's quite disturbing for any parent, I would imagine, to think about the fact that this type of person may be speaking to their child.
00:17:00.580 And so it does give me pause for thought on perhaps some sort of age verification system on the internet. I understand that teenagers as well are not exactly known for compliance. So, I mean, I question how effective that would be if I steal my own suggestion here, but it does make you think. I mean, especially when it comes to children, I'm willing to give up an ounce of my privacy for a pound of their security. It's children.
00:17:25.240 i still don't think it'll protect children uh so um yeah anyway it was obvious when the first when
00:17:33.320 this story first broke with the tumblr ridge shooting as soon as the police description said
00:17:38.680 woman in address or person address whatever it was and where you and i just looked at each other
00:17:42.280 we're like it's not a woman we knew well it's used the policing statistics as well right so
00:17:49.480 the policing statistics i believe they've been very very closed mouth about it but apparently
00:17:54.280 they're counting this as a female murderer which you know that that i imagine has downstream
00:17:59.780 i'm happy to have one less in the men in the men's category but like come on and another aspect did
00:18:06.920 it talk much about actually the ai element i know that was big up here there's the suit against
00:18:11.640 chat gpt because you've been communicating with that and that's another kind of rabbit hole though
00:18:17.420 i mean ai could counsel people into nasty things but if we're talking about something that could
00:18:21.760 be online and watch the dangerous discussion and raise flags when there's a problem ai is probably
00:18:26.320 the perfect tool for that too but yeah yeah there was there was a really good story on that actually
00:18:31.360 on the ai element and what had happened originally was according to this story van rootsalar was
00:18:36.100 kicked off of the chat gpt platform and then when he created a new account to go back on he informed
00:18:42.180 chat gpt that his previous account had been deleted and chat gpt advised him on how to get around the
00:18:47.160 protocols for discussing violent activity. But one thing that's also very interesting about this
00:18:53.080 most recent Tumblr Ridge development is people are questioning whether it will have any impact
00:18:57.460 on the civil suit occurring between dozens of victims and the province of BC against ChatGBT,
00:19:03.240 because the argument in that civil suit was that the chatbot had essentially convinced
00:19:07.600 Van Root Salaar to commit this horrific act, but now it appears as though a regular, well,
00:19:12.020 not regular a somewhat irregular human being um encourage him to do it instead of a chatbot so
00:19:18.020 it'll be interesting to see if it has any implications on that case there definitely
00:19:21.620 are restrictions on uh these things now i uh for you know getting to halloween here and so i i bought
00:19:28.820 a fairly human-sized skeleton i wanted to hang it from a tree with a hangman's noose and i asked uh
00:19:35.060 i asked grok uh how to how to make a hangman's noose and it just says you need to call this
00:19:40.420 number for help right now don't do it i was like no no this is for halloween i'm trying to hang a
00:19:45.060 plastic skeleton from a tree over my driveway i would have figured it'd accuse you being a klansman
00:19:51.780 thank you i don't i don't know alex uh one of the inspirational stories that came out of tumblr
00:19:58.420 tumblr ridge is a little maya i know you've been following her recovery how is she doing
00:20:05.140 she's doing surprisingly well it's been a miraculous recovery all things considered so
00:20:09.460 I believe she went through several skull or what is it? What do they call it? I'm not a doctor.
00:20:17.640 She went through several different surgeries and she has began to be almost verbal. She is able to
00:20:25.780 do hand gestures to express joy. She appears to be surprisingly well adjusted. There was a video
00:20:31.680 posted recently of her dancing with a friend. So it has been a rare glimpse of inspiration amidst
00:20:38.040 what is otherwise a horrific tragedy.
00:20:41.460 I'll close
00:20:42.180 on that. Yeah. Move to something
00:20:44.120 a bit lighter.
00:20:46.020 So,
00:20:46.900 PPP,
00:20:49.860 we thought Pierre-Paul-Avire PP,
00:20:51.380 we have PPP in Quebec?
00:20:53.940 Is it Pierre something
00:20:55.840 Palado? Is it three Ps?
00:20:58.440 Paul said Pierre Plamondon.
00:20:59.760 Paul said Pierre Plamondon.
00:21:01.240 I mean, if you
00:21:03.060 wanted a Quebec-sounding name
00:21:05.460 from a Quebec party, 0.60
00:21:07.480 Woo, they got it.
00:21:09.180 So Quebecers voted, I think it was only 28%.
00:21:12.300 That is a low percentage of the vote to form a government.
00:21:15.240 But you had a real split between the Parti Quebecois, the Quebec Liberals, the Quebec Conservatives,
00:21:22.220 which have finally entered the, they call it the National Assembly in Quebec, as a very large third party.
00:21:29.740 The Quebec Solidaire, they're a essentially Marxist pro-independence party.
00:21:34.280 They're like extreme, extreme left.
00:21:37.040 They're like a weird mix of like the Communist Party and Hamas.
00:21:42.100 So then and then the CAC, the governing party, went from a big majority government to zero seats, completely wiped out.
00:21:54.340 So I know.
00:21:59.720 I've interviewed this guy before in studio here.
00:22:04.240 He came to Alberta and met with people in the independence movement.
00:22:07.040 Very personable guy. I really wanted to dislike him, and I couldn't.
00:22:12.140 You know, kind of a lefty Quebec thing.
00:22:15.580 He's a charming guy, and he was here very intentionally building bridges with Alberta's independence movement.
00:22:23.120 That's something that never existed in any significant critical mass during the 1980 Quebec referendum or the 1995 Quebec referendum.
00:22:31.640 um now he has said cory that uh there's going to be no independence referendum as long as trump is
00:22:39.540 still president because trump is such a big existential threat you know he makes the point
00:22:43.720 that um well maybe just be too disruptive and i think quebecers are afraid while they're facing
00:22:50.800 you know the boogeyman of the south um kind of top line what do you think the big impact of any
00:22:56.600 election of a PQ government in Quebec, even one that said we're not yet holding an independence
00:23:02.420 referendum. What impact do you think that'll have on the Alberta referendum and federal
00:23:08.100 provincial politics going forward? Being this close to the referendum in Alberta, I don't know
00:23:11.700 if it'll have much, maybe a little bit, a bit marginal. I mean, it's showing just, again,
00:23:15.240 there's some instability in other parts of the country. There's a province that's still
00:23:18.740 discontent. I know it's less than 30% that voted for the PQ, but at the same time, it can't be
00:23:23.440 denied that an overtly secessionist party did manage to win the largest amount of votes.
00:23:28.340 And the Quebec Solidaire is there, they're overtly.
00:23:30.420 And they're that way as well.
00:23:32.400 The movement's not gone from Quebec.
00:23:34.200 Trump gives them a convenient excuse to kick it down the road because their promise was
00:23:37.560 to hold them and they know they don't have the winning conditions yet.
00:23:41.440 So, I mean, I think it could offer a little inspiration on the front out in Alberta.
00:23:45.500 I think in the longer game is more what to look at though, because he's going to be looking
00:23:48.800 to create those winning conditions.
00:23:50.020 He's going to be spoiling for scraps with the federal government and fighting with them.
00:23:54.040 And if he's talking cooperatively with Albertans, at least, we'll see.
00:23:57.580 I don't know how cooperatively he'll be with Premier Smith, but if there's any sane independence
00:24:02.180 leaders emerge in the next few months or whatever, there could be people that there could be
00:24:05.580 dialogue back and forth. 0.63
00:24:07.020 Yeah, well, they want a lot of the same stuff Alberta wants.
00:24:10.140 Yeah, there's a lot of shared. 0.96
00:24:11.400 They want cuts to immigration.
00:24:13.360 So if Alberta and Quebec team up as provinces against the feds, I think that could work well.
00:24:19.060 But look, I mean, 28% public support, there's no chance that they're going to call a referendum.
00:24:27.280 And plus, the voice or the appetite is not there.
00:24:34.020 It's in, you know, it's ranging from high 20s to low 30s.
00:24:37.740 It's basically the same.
00:24:39.020 Quebec Solidaire is another 10% on top of that.
00:24:41.840 And a fair number of people who voted CAC and Conservative who are also nationalists.
00:24:45.660 They were very nationalists.
00:24:46.660 So it's not, it's strong.
00:24:48.180 It's not over 50%, but it's undeniably still strong there.
00:24:51.500 I mean, it hasn't gone away.
00:24:52.160 But surely they need to work and work on the game.
00:24:55.500 Unlike the Alberta one here where it came as, you know, you guys didn't have a running start.
00:25:01.780 You know, they could plan on it, but I don't see it happening immediately.
00:25:06.660 No, well, they've said they're not doing it immediately.
00:25:08.260 Yeah, I mean, I don't see it happening in their first term.
00:25:11.080 If, the good thing here for Polyev is the Conservatives dominated the younger vote, right?
00:25:17.920 They actually, you know, cleaned up with it, with the, with young voters. 0.99
00:25:21.300 So, you know, just like federally in the elbows up crowd, it's the old people 0.61
00:25:25.380 who were voting for, uh, uh, uh, for, um, uh, the, the PQ and, uh, and, uh, 0.93
00:25:32.440 you'll see all these voting for Kearney.
00:25:34.820 Um, well, Corey mentioned the term winning conditions and a lot of people
00:25:40.060 in English Canada don't really know what that means.
00:25:42.000 It's, it's a term popularized by Lucien Bouchard, who after the failure
00:25:45.940 of the 1995 referendum and that was a razor
00:25:48.860 close thing. Keeping in mind, remember
00:25:51.520 Sport was in the 30s when that referendum started. They moved it up.
00:25:55.860 They got razor close.
00:25:58.940 Some of them claiming they actually won and the feds cheated but
00:26:01.220 neither here nor there.
00:26:05.120 Lucien Bouchard took over as premier
00:26:07.520 from Jacques Perizeau
00:26:11.140 right after the referendum and he wanted to hold a third one
00:26:14.980 but his point was we're not gonna call one until we have what he called winning conditions and that
00:26:21.920 means setting things up on the federal provincial relations stage to make clear to nationalist
00:26:28.540 Quebecers that they can't get what they want with Ottawa in Canada and then you hold the referendum
00:26:34.720 and I've always said this uh is one of the big possibly the single biggest problem with the
00:26:41.760 Alberta independence movement is that it has never paid any any attention to winning conditions
00:26:46.980 it was always just like let's just hold the vote as soon as we can and the people will rise up with
00:26:52.180 us and that's just not the way it normally works um you know I've always thought we should have
00:26:58.100 one round of referendums first on constitutional reform here which will go nowhere but they should
00:27:03.940 be good faith efforts and then the constitution the second five questions are what we have but 0.97
00:27:08.060 we're holding them at the second at the same time which is idiotic yeah so we're talking about 0.96
00:27:11.780 getting rid of the senate and provincial employment of upper court judges on the same ballot it's 1.00
00:27:16.940 it's idiotic to hold it this way you hold that first and then six months later you hold your 0.81
00:27:20.240 referendum on independence and so uh palado here has made clear it's about winning conditions you 0.94
00:27:27.340 don't want to hold a referendum if you don't think you've got at least a 50 50 shot of winning
00:27:32.220 which is in contrast to alberta where which it was just the excitement of like hey we've
00:27:37.200 got the citizens initiative thing. Let's go do it. It was like a dog chasing a car.
00:27:43.640 Well, I mean, just to say, if anybody had read my original version of the Sovereignty Sandbook,
00:27:47.860 I wrote that a few years ago and I did say in it, we aren't ready. I literally had that in
00:27:53.580 the chapter saying, we need to get this done. We need to get this done. We need to build those
00:27:57.660 winning conditions. Then the trigger got pulled and I wrote my updated version as well. We're
00:28:01.540 heading for it now. So I might as well kind of soft sell that chapter. I think maybe I'll have
00:28:06.620 to put out a volume three and bring the original chapter back in if things don't go on the 19th.
00:28:12.000 But, but yeah, no, you're, you're absolutely correct.
00:28:14.360 Like my advice at that time was, you know, I think we need to move towards it.
00:28:17.140 I think we got the, the ability and the momentum, but there's a lot of work we need to do first.
00:28:20.840 And as soon as they had the opportunity with this citizens initiative, they, they jumped in full
00:28:26.320 feet and, and here we are off to the races and, uh, hoping for the best and certainly sending a,
00:28:31.580 you know, a message and that sort of thing and, and a campaigning rate for this, this next final
00:28:35.320 10 days, but it's going to be hard to see if we can get over the line. Uh, Alex, uh, yeah,
00:28:40.560 I know Quebec is pretty far away from you. It's pretty far, even further away from us in some
00:28:44.920 ways. Um, but, uh, well, yeah, the only time we have French people here is when they're picking 1.00
00:28:51.820 berries in the Okanagan in the summer. Yeah. Uh, our French people work at the gate of Banff 0.99
00:28:58.380 and Jasper where you pay your ticket to enter the park because they have to be bilingual and
00:29:02.060 None of us are. But I want to see if you've noticed this. I've noticed, you know, in all media 0.99
00:29:09.240 covering the Alberta independence movement, that the pro-independence movement are called
00:29:14.500 separatists, and they're framed as downright treasonous. And I've noticed in the national
00:29:21.400 media, at least, you know, the PQ and Plomondon, they're called sovereigntists or nationalists.
00:29:28.100 And they're viewed, you know, not necessarily favorably, I don't think that'd be fair to say, but at least with more understanding and empathy. They're, they're just trying to be the best Quebecers they could be. How have you, maybe tell me what you've seen in the national media from your spot in BC?
00:29:47.000 Yeah, I mean, in BC, much like I think in the rest of the country, the word separatist does seem to carry a negative connotation. David Eby in particular has tried to couple the concept of Alberta independence with Donald Trump, which I think in some jurisdictions has been a fairly effective campaign strategy, surprisingly enough, especially in areas in eastern BC.
00:30:13.500 I think about the Caribou region where it's really close to Alberta and there's a lot of anti-Trumpers there.
00:30:18.780 Those are probably not winnable ridings for him anyway, though.
00:30:22.280 So, yeah, it's mostly used as a political weapon during an election campaign more than anything else.
00:30:28.880 I don't think any of us are having really sophisticated or deep level discussions on the possibility.
00:30:33.240 I was asking about media coverage.
00:30:35.300 Like, what's the difference been in media coverage that you've seen of the Alberta independence movement here and then the election of a pro-independence PQ government?
00:30:45.400 You know, I at least...
00:30:46.600 Yeah, I mean...
00:30:47.520 ...language used to describe one versus the other.
00:30:51.240 No, I would say that in local provincial media coverage in B.C., there's really very little attention paid to Quebec politics whatsoever.
00:30:58.660 It almost never comes up.
00:31:00.160 We just don't have enough speakers here, frankly.
00:31:02.400 I suppose they caught their hands.
00:31:05.220 Go ahead.
00:31:07.700 Sorry, go ahead, Alex.
00:31:09.320 Well, I was going to say in terms of Alberta, though, they very much coupled it with what they call mega politics.
00:31:15.540 And it's more or less just a campaign strategy for the EB government.
00:31:19.620 I would say that at the ground level, the interest in Alberta independence here is also fairly limited for various reasons.
00:31:26.500 Mostly, it's just people that are hysterical about Donald Trump that are interested in it for their own reasons.
00:31:31.040 Two tweets of note today. Elon Musk, the world's richest man and first trillionaire, responded to Quebec's election, saying Quebec should separate. And then he added on another tweet saying Alberta and Saskatchewan should separate too.
00:31:48.020 And Jeffrey Raff, our favorite separatist leader, sorry, independence leader, says Jesus Christ would want Alberta to be independent.
00:31:57.040 well I will share this
00:31:59.920 what would Jesus do
00:32:02.780 my father is actually
00:32:04.980 ready to Caesar what's Caesar's
00:32:07.160 ready to God what's God's
00:32:08.320 that's not my business I don't think
00:32:10.980 Jesus would take a particularly active hand
00:32:13.180 as we're getting into the last 10 days
00:32:15.360 11 days of this I'm not sure if that's the best
00:32:17.080 campaign tacked on Mr. Rath's
00:32:19.240 part but nobody
00:32:21.180 can control what Mr. Rath's gonna say
00:32:23.420 you know who does have a religious position on
00:32:25.160 independence the Punjab
00:32:27.020 who are having a referendum of their own in Alberta
00:32:30.240 the day before, October 18th.
00:32:34.740 That's confusing, Dave.
00:32:36.460 Yeah, Calistani independence.
00:32:40.740 Huge billboards across Alberta,
00:32:43.880 and I'm sure the lineups will be huge in Edmonton
00:32:46.900 the day before the referendum.
00:32:49.380 It will have no effect on anything.
00:32:52.600 It's more of a show than anything,
00:32:55.160 and they do it quite often.
00:32:56.620 Yeah, they did one just a couple of years ago, too.
00:32:58.860 You know, I'm semi-sympathetic to the Kalistani movement for independence.
00:33:04.200 You know, there are people who want national self-determination, have their own independent state.
00:33:08.080 So I'm not without some sympathy for it.
00:33:11.240 Over there, as soon as you bring it here, like, no, it should crush you now.
00:33:19.220 I think it would be difficult to overstate how repressive the Indian regime is.
00:33:23.540 and also similarly well actually invert go fight it over there not here well no you can't i mean
00:33:28.980 that's the thing like there are two calistani members in um the indian parliament they're in
00:33:34.400 jail right so it's it's not a place where where peaceful protest is really but it's not our
00:33:40.440 freaking problem you want to bring your domestic politics to alberta to canada uh yeah no i lose
00:33:48.280 all sympathy at that point well i think that the best analogy i could use international relations
00:33:52.920 our foreign affairs it's like when you bring you bring israel you bring palestine you bring any uh 0.91
00:33:59.100 you bring pakistan versus india any of this shit you bring it here you're trying to influence our 0.90
00:34:04.020 our our foreign policy and our domestic affairs based on your tribal affairs back home i'm sorry 0.98
00:34:10.300 yeah i don't see too many uh uh calistanis rallying for alberta independence in calistine
00:34:18.980 Well, actually, the other interesting thing about the Kalistan movement, and this may be actually because of the repression in India, but it almost exists exclusively in the overseas diaspora.
00:34:31.520 There actually is very little traction for the movement in India, which is another interesting little side plot.
00:34:39.720 That's a giant rabbit hole. 1.00
00:34:41.060 I just know I got myself into a whole world of trouble when I talked to Prasad about it in an interview, and then I had a bunch of Sikh individuals. 1.00
00:34:47.940 I'm not touching it anymore 1.00
00:34:49.560 Yeah, yeah
00:34:50.520 Okay, speaking of not touching it
00:34:52.180 That was a tangent
00:34:54.360 Yeah, quite a tangent
00:34:56.520 And it was my fault, that tangent was my fault
00:34:58.560 Okay, well Alex is going to be the center of
00:35:01.760 Center stage here
00:35:03.020 In the time we have left
00:35:04.560 You know
00:35:06.880 I think everyone's broadly familiar
00:35:09.300 That the BC Conservatives
00:35:11.060 Had an absolute meltdown
00:35:13.440 Of two years, really began
00:35:15.120 Very quickly after the last BC election
00:35:17.820 with the leadership of John Brostad became very problematic and troubled
00:35:21.680 for a variety of reasons, some his fault, some not.
00:35:27.280 He's overthrown. We get Carolyn Finley.
00:35:30.500 Her leadership immediately, you know, it goes from
00:35:33.880 nuclear to thermonuclear then. David Eby just
00:35:37.720 couldn't bloody help himself. He breaks his
00:35:41.780 fixed election date law, calls an election two years early,
00:35:45.480 halfway through his mandate that's got to be a record for an early election for a majority
00:35:49.080 government and uh yeah alex tell us how have the people of british columbia reacted to this
00:35:57.280 um surprisingly negatively um that includes within uh strangely enough evie's own cabinet
00:36:04.680 so almost immediately upon him dropping the right for the snap election uh four cabinet ministers
00:36:10.840 Ravi Kalon, Brenda Bailey, Lana Popham, and Kelly Green all said that they would not be
00:36:15.760 seeking re-election. A fifth, actually, former cabinet minister, George Chow, has similarly
00:36:20.080 said that he will not be running for re-election. There was never really any great reason or
00:36:25.340 justification provided by any of these individuals for why they're not seeking re-election, with the
00:36:29.740 exception of Brenda Bailey, who had treatable cancer. But they're actually really just part
00:36:35.220 and parcel of the entire province's reaction, which has been one of anger, frankly, the
00:36:41.380 BCNDP have long been notorious for being incredibly wasteful, especially with tax dollars. And so
00:36:47.440 this snap election call, which is estimated to cost anywhere between 80 and $100 million,
00:36:52.480 is very much on brand for the BCNDP and the public is noticing.
00:36:58.340 I mean, people do get upset about the cost a bit for an unnecessary election, but I think
00:37:03.580 it's more of the sense of Canadian voters are cynical we expect our politicians to lie to us
00:37:09.640 but we don't we like them to have plausible deniability when they lie we Canadians they
00:37:15.660 say they don't want to be lied to yeah they do they like being lied to but they want to at least
00:37:21.620 it should be the lie should be plausible and this reeks of the 2015 early electric call of Jim
00:37:30.140 apprentice, which was a full year early for him. And people reacted furiously. And that was one
00:37:36.840 year early. And he called that early election to take advantage of the chaos from what happened
00:37:43.220 with Wildrose. Daniel Smith at two thirds of the Wildrose crossed the floor to the progressive
00:37:46.920 conservatives. He wanted to take advantage of that, called it early election, and people were
00:37:53.000 furious and they lashed out in any way they could and they ended up electing the NDP as a result.
00:37:57.860 I'm seeing this as kind of similar, where the Conservatives literally did not have a leader.
00:38:02.560 They had to appoint essentially an emergency interim leader.
00:38:05.660 David Eby's even had the temerity to say,
00:38:08.500 you can't vote for the Conservatives because they don't have a normally selective permanent leader.
00:38:14.360 To which everyone said, why is that?
00:38:17.720 Because you called the early election.
00:38:19.560 So I think, Corey, I'm getting echoes of 2015 Alberta's early election call, 0.97
00:38:25.900 or roughly every decade some asshole gets it in his head that i'm so clever i'm going to call this 0.96
00:38:31.740 early election while the opposition's got its pants down and i'm going to triumph for it 0.97
00:38:35.520 and the people get pissed off and freak out yeah i mean you see that when any early election
00:38:41.440 typically comes because you always see the polls nobody wants the early election nobody but then
00:38:44.880 two weeks later they've all forgotten about that they got into the routine but this was just so
00:38:48.800 crassly opportunistic there was no other reason no burning issue no particular
00:38:54.860 everybody could see directly through it.
00:38:56.920 Well, because Donald Trump,
00:38:58.220 provincial election.
00:38:59.220 You're desperate.
00:39:00.380 You're opposing parties on the rocks.
00:39:02.460 You're going to try and take advantage of that
00:39:03.940 to snap it open and shut.
00:39:05.020 The public saw through it
00:39:06.000 and it doesn't seem to be cooling down.
00:39:07.860 In fact, as far as I can tell from Alex's reporting,
00:39:09.900 they're getting even more pissed.
00:39:11.320 And now Eby's campaign against himself.
00:39:13.440 I think I have a lot of family in BC
00:39:15.700 and you cannot underestimate the anger
00:39:18.100 at David Eby for this election call.
00:39:21.680 And his campaign has just been disastrous.
00:39:24.220 You know, day one, it's all about Donald Trump and, you know, and now he's completely reversed that because all the issues that people care about in British Columbia, Donald Trump is like way down the list.
00:39:35.160 They care about hospitals and getting a doctor and, you know, the economics, owning a house.
00:39:41.280 That's what BC people care about.
00:39:43.480 Yeah, and I just to piggyback off of that, originally he thought he was running against Carrie Lynn Finley, which he called a mega regional manager.
00:39:50.980 And so all of this conservative infighting and the replacement of her with Lauren Dirksen as the leader, who is by most estimates a very centrist moderate with held in high regard on both sides of the aisle and then in the legislature, it completely ruined their narrative.
00:40:05.400 and the narrative itself, even if Carrie Lynn Finley was the leader, doesn't entirely make
00:40:09.100 sense because they already had a majority. So the narrative that they've spun is that they needed to
00:40:14.420 have an election so that they weren't at risk of dissolving the government so that they could
00:40:18.540 defend themselves against an existential threat presented by Donald Trump, but then they dissolved
00:40:22.940 to the government, which doesn't actually make sense. And now they're running against their own
00:40:27.280 healthcare record saying that the wait times are too long and there's no MRIs, but they've been the
00:40:31.560 governing party for nine years. So none of the messaging is sticking because none of it is
00:40:36.940 rational. He's desperate. Well, actually, let's really quickly just touch on the polls. The polls
00:40:44.260 I've seen range from the Conservatives have a very small lead in a statistical tie, but with a very
00:40:50.820 small lead to a pretty substantial lead at this point. Yeah, I mean, I always think of the polls
00:41:00.140 is a bit like the scoreboard don't watch the scoreboard you're missing a good game on the ice
00:41:03.580 but at the same time i i also express skepticism at some of these polls um one of them has the
00:41:10.000 conservatives at a super majority at somewhere around 68 seats i saw today that seems just
00:41:15.200 patently unrealistic to me that would require you know virtually all of the downtown vancouver
00:41:19.640 writings to swing conservative which is just not going to happen i think that the most and we're
00:41:24.520 many weeks away so it's kind of a fool's errand for me to make a prediction at this point because
00:41:30.100 so much can change and a week is a lifetime in politics. But I imagine that the legislature will
00:41:34.360 look very, very similar to the way it did before the election, which is to say one of the parties
00:41:39.280 will win with a one or two seat majority, perhaps even with the Green Party, or even one seat
00:41:44.840 belonging to Senator BC being the balance of power, which again, renders the whole purpose
00:41:49.260 of the election meaningless. Real, real quick before we wrap, has one BC, you know, Dallas
00:41:57.240 Brody's you know further uh you know a more right populist party has it been able to catch any
00:42:04.220 traction and insert itself into the narrative of this election it certainly has on x but x is not
00:42:11.720 necessarily the best reflection of real life a lot of weird things have happened with 1bc in this
00:42:16.540 election cycle so far at one point Dallas Brody said that she intended to run 93 candidates so
00:42:22.440 would be one in every riding uh then she said that she was going to stand down in eight ridings 0.99
00:42:27.480 because those writings contained what she called principled conservatives then she reneged that
00:42:33.400 offer and ended up running i think in two or three seats against those principled conservatives
00:42:38.120 anyway and i believe that was because they reneged and ran against her right well there was never any
00:42:43.160 promise that they wouldn't run against her in vancouver kilchana and as a major political party
00:42:47.000 it would be silly to do that anyway i mean you might as well run a candidate in every riding
00:42:51.560 if you can funnily enough the bc ndp who called the snap election failed to put a candidate in
00:42:56.600 all the writings which is the first time that's ever happened actually for the modern ndp
00:43:01.880 that is funny yeah they weren't even prepared they actually almost missed a few seats uh to
00:43:06.760 get their papers in so and the writing actually is interesting as well so that's peace river north
00:43:11.560 where jordan keely currently sits as an independent mla he left the party as well during the john
00:43:16.760 Rustad leadership crisis, but he remains an independent because he is facing criminal charges
00:43:21.840 for sexual assault and is looking at a jury trial in July. And Amelia Boulpe, who crossed the floor
00:43:27.660 from independent to the BCNDP, had actually introduced a private member's bill saying that
00:43:32.300 any individuals charged under such crime should be booted from the legislature. So the BCNDP now,
00:43:38.080 I'm surprised no reporters have asked about this, should have to explain to the public why they were
00:43:43.020 unable to put a candidate in a riding where they had introduced the law to have that candidate
00:43:47.820 kicked out of where they introduced the law to essentially penalize someone before the proven
00:43:51.820 guilty so well yeah i mean uh but but such a law exists at the municipal level so you know uh
00:43:58.180 there's an individual here in penticton for instance who is a city councillor he was charged
00:44:02.500 you're out of time we're out i'm sorry sorry sorry alex but yeah i appreciate that
00:44:06.580 okay uh well uh dave parting shot cultural disaster in alberta this week derek with the
00:44:14.680 closing of the torrington gopher museum let's put that up on the screen this is a cultural
00:44:20.080 gem of alberta world famous torrington gopher machine a gopher museum has made news all over
00:44:27.280 the world over the years and uh sadly has been forced to shut its doors i uh i i'm basing this
00:44:35.180 on absolutely nothing this is not solid journalism but it's just cynical suspicions for me i think
00:44:40.560 they shut it down intentionally to get all the press about this and then it will reopen because
00:44:45.280 they're getting global headlines sure well you know all the money that the government gives
00:44:49.580 you know let's give 10 000 bucks to the gopher museum save the gophers save the gophers yeah
00:44:54.300 all right cory now with me just because i'm too cheap to pay full parking i walk a long way and
00:44:58.780 i come under the 8th street bridge in calgary for those unfamiliar with it they ripped up the entire
00:45:03.240 southbound lane of that and built a giant bike lane in it. Now they've ripped up the northbound
00:45:08.460 lane, so I guess they're sticking another one there. So Mayor Farkas, I am looking forward to
00:45:12.560 the bike lane battles. I was kind of speaking on city jurisdiction before being able to stand up
00:45:16.340 for it, but you clearly can't get it under control. I look forward to Devin Dreschen coming in and
00:45:20.700 doing your job for you and stopping this idiocy. It's one of the, you know, it's not a ton I like 0.97
00:45:25.240 from Doug Ford, but I kind of did like how he stuck it to the, to the bikes. Yeah. All right,
00:45:30.620 alex parting shot uh yeah parting shot i'm looking forward to the debate on october 14th
00:45:36.420 we're one week away it'll be the only televised debate during the bc election so it should be uh
00:45:41.100 an interesting one and do we know uh obviously the conservatives and uh the ndp are invited to
00:45:47.240 participate uh the greens probably because they've been there but what about center bc and one bc are
00:45:52.560 they invited to participate yeah strangely enough um one bc and center bc have been excluded i think
00:45:58.840 the logic is is that you need two members in the legislature to have official party status and
00:46:03.240 neither of them did at the time of the legislature being dissolved only the greens the conservatives
00:46:08.720 and the ndp did but the greens have been in debates without having official party status
00:46:12.420 before they got they got they had a relative to you in a deal with uh the former premier john
00:46:16.300 horgan so i can speak from personal experiences but there are no hard and fast rules around this
00:46:22.080 stuff it gets it there's a lot of politics and who gets into the debate who does not
00:46:26.240 Okay. Well, that's it for today. We're out of time. Corey, Dave, Alex, thank you very much.
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