00:05:12.000Well, the idea from the federal point of view is that what they're claiming in their factum is that this actually undermines rights in a more significant way than merely having the thing go before the courts later.
00:05:26.680Anyway, their intervention stems from concerns that frequent preemptive use of the clause
00:05:33.240erodes charter rights without sufficient democratic checks, and the federal position
00:05:38.760seeks judicial clarification to prevent indefinite overrides, which is what you are talking about
00:05:44.280here in this instance. While provinces, of course, are defending the whole notwithstanding clause as
00:05:50.520a core feature of canadian federalism and parliamentary sovereignty the case is widely
00:05:55.800seen as one of the most significant constitutional matters since the charter's enactment which it is
00:06:03.160uh so cory it's um there's the quebec case uh bill 21 prompted it but you know as nigel mentioned
00:06:11.320uh saskatchewan and alberta have also recently evoked ontario did it uh for the ford government
00:09:58.900And he was a Harper appointee. And he is not a conservative judge. This is not like the states where the Republican judges are going to be mostly reliably conservative. The Democratic judges are going to be mostly reliably liberal. And sometimes, if there's a really good argument, they can move over. But they generally vote along the lines of their appointees, mostly. Unless it's a clear case, like the tariff one. Trump lost, even with Republican appointees.
00:10:53.160But the judiciary seems to be able to run rogue. It's been doing so ever since the charter was brought in. It made decisions on key issues that should be legislative, however you feel about them. Same-sex marriage, abortion, all sorts of things like that, that are clearly the purview of the legislature.
00:11:14.340but now it's in the in the point of not even just rewriting legislation which it's done
00:11:19.080it's trying it's considering at least rewriting the constitution itself yeah there it's just
00:11:25.200crazy they're uh they're a wacky bunch you know maybe wearing those robes uh but i guess they've
00:11:31.060got rid of those but i mean who is it the chief justice who was involved in a scrap in at a hotel
00:11:36.600down in the states no uh it was one of the justices one of the justices another one went
00:11:42.280on Wilberta, unfortunately. Another one went on walkabout in Ottawa and went missing. The RCMP
00:11:48.740had to put out a missing persons alert. And there's already calls for Wagner to be
00:11:54.160removed from the Government Appeal of the Emergencies Act because he is on the record
00:12:00.360as degrading the Freedom Convoy truckers. So yeah, they're a wacky group of individuals.
00:12:08.860And, you know, for the younger listeners, they don't understand how important this notwithstanding clause was.
00:12:17.720That is what got all the provinces together.
00:12:20.380And that's what got the constitutional deal done.
00:12:23.240And they're threatening to come along now and rewrite history.
00:24:24.840As Israel started targeting some of the energy infrastructure
00:24:27.820and Iran started retaliating against some of the Gulf oil energy infrastructure.
00:24:32.340If that stuff continues, this could get a lot worse.
00:24:36.220And the temptation is going to be awful hard for a government in Ottawa to resist,
00:24:42.980maybe not the full NEP, but imposing a domestic price cap,
00:24:47.380because it's for both consumers and industry that are going to increasingly start to suffer here.
00:24:52.340So in your grim agnostications there, Derek, are you supposing that Ottawa would now insist that Alberta sell oil east, which it has been trying to do?
00:25:05.020That would be, and that's the weird thing about this, is that an Alberta government might agree to it because it's like, well, at least we're going to get a pipeline built to the east, but we're going to be selling at an artificially low price.
00:25:15.580I mean, the NEP was all about getting Alberta oil into eastern Canada.
00:25:19.580Yeah, it wasn't a weird environmental stuff.
00:25:22.060It doesn't matter how much Alberta wants to sell oil east, they prefer to bring it in from the United States, which gets it from somewhere else, or get it from Nigeria.
00:25:30.120But as the price gets higher and higher and higher, you could see, and I certainly hope Smith wouldn't agree to this, but hey guys, we're going to get a pipeline going to the east, so Alberta, you get your pipeline.
00:25:42.260But there's going to be a price cap on it, artificially imposed by Ottawa, to ease the industrial and consumer costs in the east.
00:25:50.600what we do is get the pipe built as soon as it's there when you have the ribbon cutting
00:25:54.880turn the tap off we chase you can stare at that empty pipe as long as you want here's the price
00:26:01.240if you want to fill it and what are you going to do dig it up again but we will have had to agree
00:26:05.800to a domestic price cap in the meantime hey deals are made to be broken look at the novel standing
00:26:09.480clause okay touche yeah i guess you can play that game um i mean and i know i'm more adversarial
00:26:15.840than most on this but but i mean part of the national energy program is talking about forced
00:26:20.040infrastructure but that's getting to the point of nationalized infrastructure and you're not going
00:26:24.320to get a private investor to want to come in and fill that pipe or deal with it when you're at the
00:26:28.100whim of the federal government on what you're allowed to sell the product for so the next step
00:26:31.440is building because that's what happened before too so well we started red square and built the
00:26:35.380petro canada towers and an oil company that managed to lose money for 20 years until it was
00:26:40.200finally privatized this this cycle will continue as the other one did unfortunately but that other
00:26:46.520aspect of it was it also created more western alienation that had never been seen and it didn't
00:26:51.560have the simmering fire under it in 1980 already they would do this after our independence reference
00:26:56.900yeah yeah i think it only the only circumstance i see that really happening would be if uh you know
00:27:03.220this would be longer term if we have long sustained like the nep did not happen well what year is the
00:27:07.520on kapoor 73 yes 70 okay it didn't happen nep did not happen in 73 there was lead up to some of these
00:27:13.960shortages to really build. Yeah. So it took years of, you know, gasoline shortages, high fuel prices,
00:27:21.680hammering industry, hammering consumers. And then you saw, you know, you've got a similar
00:27:26.500kind of character as Phil Davis, you know, the Ontario premier at the time, guy who was very
00:27:30.880willing to work with the Liberals. I could very much see a Doug Ford saying, hey, Ontario's
00:27:36.240manufacturing industry is getting hammered here. Our consumers are getting hammered. We need some
00:27:40.780cheap gas. You could see Doug Ford easily working with the federal liberal government on this kind
00:27:47.300of thing, where you saw Bill Davis supporting pure Trudeau for exactly this kind of thing.
00:27:51.860I don't think it happens tomorrow. It's not going to happen, certainly before an independence
00:27:55.640referendum. But if it happens, we're going to have to go through a sustained period of high
00:28:00.200prices. Well, it'll be really interesting to see what Quebec does if all of this follows out as
00:28:04.720you've described, because they have said that they don't want a pipeline carrying dirty Alberta
00:28:10.360oil across the back fine guys don't have it carry on paying three dollars a litre for your uh for
00:28:17.980your gasoline i have a feeling their their minds would be brought to silver up you bet yeah and
00:28:23.240most quebecers when they survey they don't have a problem with it it's just the politicians yeah
00:28:27.940it's the political class that seems to hold a lot its way but you know if you have a long period of
00:28:32.020sustained high prices leading industry bleeding consumers the political consensus in quebec will
00:29:08.260to paraphrase uh you know uh high oil high oil prices has many fathers and uh low oil prices
00:29:15.620is an orphan yeah i heard it as an orphan well you know the solution to high oil prices is high
00:29:22.500high oil prices if people go looking for other alternative supplies is that is that the thought
00:29:28.900no no no you know victory has many fathers and and defeat is an orphan uh yeah that's kind of
00:29:35.140to cory's point you know when it's low oil prices alberta's dirty oil but when oil is expensive and
00:29:40.520everyone's hurting and everyone else wants some of that oil money it's a national system simply
00:29:44.940it's canadia how true yeah okay uh and go with cory first on this one uh so our headline edit
00:29:55.660is not intentionally misleading we just didn't know how to make it any shorter and still makes
00:29:59.980sense uh but six days left not to give carny your guns exactly but to tell carny about your guns so
00:30:06.500what's you know what's happened is uh you know there's three broad three main categories of
00:30:12.640firearms in canada there's non-restricted restricted and prohibited um and under trudeau
00:30:19.900they just very arbitrarily took thousands of different kinds of firearms and went straight
00:30:25.540from non-restricted all the way to prohibited and non-restricted ones aren't registered the
00:30:31.240restricted ones are so pistols and certain kinds of uh certain kinds of you know sport shooting
00:30:35.160rifles and things like that they're registered so the government knows you have it but they went
00:30:38.620straight from non-restricted all the way to prohibited so they banned these things without
00:30:43.260knowing who's actually got them they didn't really think this through very well um this has been going
00:30:48.640on for years the program has failed in comic proportions they've seized virtually nothing
00:30:55.980But now they've, you know, all of us, most of us at the table got letters from the federal government saying,
00:31:01.940hey, you have until this date to notify us that you have some of these naughty guns.
00:31:07.940And if you don't, you know, they'll be paying.
00:31:13.200They didn't really say what they'll do, but they'll be paying for it.
00:31:16.580But you register by this time, hey, we might even give you a little cash, probably pennies on the dollar of what your gun's actually worth.
00:31:21.680but uh yeah the deadline for that is six days from now yeah yeah that's their version of a
00:31:27.460carrot actually because what they're kind of saying is you know just participate in the
00:31:30.960program now so that you'll qualify for the bio when you turn it in voluntarily as we expect you
00:31:36.900to do uh you know the real thing is saying we're going to steal your gun we're going to tell you
00:31:41.440the price for it but if you want to get anything for it you've got to start participating now and
00:31:46.920we also we just know from the history of firearm owners of the worst category of people who are
00:31:51.660going to voluntarily uh to participate in this program yeah it's not going to happen they did
00:31:57.340their pilot out in in cape breton which they thought would be the the most tell us about tell
00:32:02.580everyone how well that worked yeah was it 25 firearms i think they got all from the trailer
00:32:06.980yeah pretty much and i think most of those were things like oh well grandpa left us in the house
00:32:11.760i don't even know what it is fine i'll bring it in it's not the person who owns and utilizes that
00:32:16.860they've blown it again but this is that thing with this government it's an ideological thing
00:32:21.160they will not they haven't geared up since allen rock in the 90s with the failed registry that
00:32:26.280the same thing they're asking everybody to participate in the registry that their accuracy
00:32:30.280rate of that thing was only about 60 i think at the time after spending billions on it
00:32:35.880it's just absurd but it's they're trying to serve a particular constituency the karens of this
00:32:41.320of this country quebec mostly mostly in quebec this is not to this is not to dismiss the gun
00:32:48.360outrageous that have happened but they don't exactly happen at the same rate in canada as
00:32:53.160they do in the united states so it's not really a fair argument but they do this partly from
00:32:59.400ideology i think there's a lot of people who've never held a gun and would go like that if one
00:33:03.720was you know you want to try it you know you targets down there just give it a go no no no
00:33:10.040but they they are very beholden to a certain demographic for their votes and it's not the
00:33:16.680the demographic of young men who almost entirely went for Pierre Poiliev and who conceivably
00:33:23.740among their ranks, maybe several gun owners and some with assault style weapons.
00:33:29.860So this is another attack on people who don't vote for them and that they don't like and
00:33:36.900think have, what was the expression, unacceptable opinions.
00:33:42.960This is a partisan attack against people who don't vote liberal.
00:33:46.600So, Dave, this is, when Carney came to the leadership of the Liberal Party of prime ministership,
00:33:52.500he kind of did away with some of the low-hanging fruit, the clearly, some of the dumbest stuff,
00:33:58.460you know, the consumer carbon tax and, you know, things like that, stuff that really irritated people.
00:34:03.860um this so-called buyback program it's it's pretty universally understood to be a disaster
00:34:13.400it's not gonna work you know we all remember i don't know fire was the right term but we a lot
00:34:18.940of us saw the clips of uh the minister with the unpronounceable name minister of public safety
00:34:23.820just gary gun grab gary yeah i mean like that's we'll give him that name that's much easier than
00:34:30.540what he's got um he um didn't know the most rudimentary stuff about firearms at all and he
00:34:38.040was made the fire uh the uh public safety uh minister i mean it'd be like making me the
00:34:44.260minister of rocket science actually i'd probably have a more rudimentary understanding than he did
00:34:49.720of guns so they know this is a bad idea they know it's gonna be a boondoggle in money that they're
00:34:59.560not going to get probably the vast majority of these firearms, that taking these firearms will
00:35:03.940also not improve public safety. I think Carney knows this. He's not a dummy, the way you say
00:35:09.080Trudeau was, but they're doing it anyway. What do you think the politics are behind that to
00:35:16.240make Carney do something that he probably knows is a bad idea, but do it anyway for political
00:35:24.720reasons no because he can get away with it all right it's not going to cost him any votes for
00:35:30.160you know the people like nigel said who voted for paul evan and and our gun owners gun grab gary
00:35:36.720is one of the top most incompetent ministers uh that carney has he's fighting that race closely
00:35:44.080with lena diav of uh of immigration but you know nothing's going to happen derek it's we've seen
00:35:50.320it all before over the decades it'll be a it'll be a multi-billion dollar boondoggle everyone will
00:35:56.240express shock and horror and after the next election they'll go and rewrite it again and
00:36:00.720come up with a new way to try and find laws that that people won't obey i imagine people who own
00:36:08.480these type of weapons are very busy at the moment with shovels and land and burying them so they
00:36:15.520they can't be found and then claiming they were lost which is what people are going to do so it's
00:36:21.920going to be interesting i mean it's um uh we should start an office pool on who they're gonna
00:36:27.040they have to make an example of somebody right they're gonna have to arrest somebody why'd you
00:36:30.800look at me well i'm thinking we should have an office pool whether they're going to come for you
00:36:34.400or cory well i don't have any firearms no no i don't own any guts i don't know i don't know what
00:36:41.600what this is about i don't know why you'd look at me uh cory i i think dave was half right
00:36:48.300i think he got it half the answer right that he's not going to lose any votes uh from these people
00:36:55.100because gun owners just overvotes from anyway but the people who do care about this he stands to
00:37:02.160lose votes if he doesn't do it and these guys i mean they're dedicated to it in their world view
00:37:07.920the government says something's banned therefore it's gone they don't seem to seem to see the that
00:37:13.340logic applying to anything else like say drugs you can ban drugs all you like uh you can maybe
00:37:17.920push it underground but you they don't go away um but you know you've got these these anti-firearms
00:37:25.580groups out there they could cost the liberals uh votes i mean they could cost because where are
00:37:31.840they going to go the ndp's dead in the water yeah and and these these loony left gun advocates that
00:37:37.600pushing that used to pull some sway, they're not going to go to the Conservatives. It's kind of,
00:37:41.120that's that similar zero-sum, you know, those conservative young men are not going to vote
00:37:45.840Liberal under any circumstance anyways. But likewise, that constituency they're pandering to
00:37:51.840doesn't really have a home that they can migrate to. No, they do, especially considering a lot of
00:38:02.320still there. It's, I mean, it's kind of like the Black Knight with his arms and legs chopped off at
00:38:07.360this point but it is still alive even if it's insisting it's just a flesh wound it's still
00:38:12.560technically alive and it does take votes away from the available universal universe of liberal
00:38:20.560possible votes so you know people on the left have more choice than people on the right people
00:38:25.680on the right say well what are you going to do there really isn't much the pbp dbc is essentially
00:38:30.000There was an interesting poll out today, 44% of NDP voters, nearly half have no idea who's running for the leadership of NDP voters, nearly half to have no idea who's running for the leadership.
00:38:44.400So, uh, I think you're giving them too much credit.
00:38:47.160No, but they still sit around 12% in the polls and that's 12% the liberals would very much like to have or to not let you get bigger than 12%.
00:38:54.300I don't know if the anti-firearm movement really just that big though.
00:38:57.560i mean you know if you talk to somebody enough that it's a deal breaker that they're going to
00:39:01.080say that's where i'm basing my vote is that issue i mean for the firearm owner it certainly is
00:39:06.420but for the person who's anti i don't know i don't say a trigger issue i mean i could be wrong
00:39:11.860because it's not my mindset i'm trying to put myself in the shoes of somebody i don't understand
00:39:15.880so maybe it really is a deal breaker to them i guess i just wouldn't see that as i mean there's
00:39:20.520just a lot of issues going on yeah is that though issue that's going to make well i'm not sure how
00:39:24.820many people it's the single issue for but it's probably like a big one you know like when i've
00:39:29.000decided in the past the various times to non-vote conservative it's normally not one single thing
00:39:34.100so it's a cumulation yeah it's something you know uh uh erin o'toole running on a carbon tax that
00:39:41.080was even worse than justin trudeau's that was the final straw but there was a lot that got me there
00:39:45.920to that final straw first this would be a final straw for some people or contributing fact for
00:39:51.220others but particularly in Quebec where the NDP is not their main rival on the left it's the block
00:39:56.460I think that's why they're doing it is because they they don't want to open themselves up on
00:40:00.960the left side they know it's a bad idea they know it's not going to work they know it's going to
00:40:03.940cause a bunch of money but you know did the long gun registry completely kill the liberals for all
00:40:10.100time well it did with gun owners but they've already lost it so the lost side of the equation
00:40:14.300has already been baked into the price for the liberals but they stand to lose on the other
00:40:18.200side if they don't do it we'll see i mean they're stubbornly hung up on it for sure they know it's
00:40:23.620an old loser i mean they certainly don't have the courage to say let's crack down on the mohawks
00:40:28.580who are importing all the illegal guns that are actually committing the crimes that would be
00:40:31.800refreshing but yes that's not where they're gonna go and there is actually only one actual military
00:40:38.040gun that was on the list of banned guns and that was the sks and they very promptly pulled it off
00:40:43.840and you know why because indigenous people own thousands of them they use them for deer hunting
00:40:48.960up north they're cheap and reliable yeah solid the communists really only ever did one thing well
00:40:54.960and that was produce large quantities of cheap and reliable small arms you know they communism
00:41:01.920somehow that's one thing that worked and and so you know those things are all over the place
00:41:06.560especially going to reserves and there's lots and actually unfortunately a few of them have
00:41:10.000been used in some pretty bad crimes over the last few years you know there's kind of
00:41:13.680of ironic, isn't it? 150 years ago, the problem was white guys going to the Indians and selling
00:41:21.140them rifles and whiskey. And now the problem back east is white guys going to the Indians
00:41:26.640to buy guns for illegal use as pickups on illegal cigarettes. You've got to give them
00:41:32.600a little credit there, I guess. Fair enough. You've really turned that around on us. Let's
00:41:37.160just call that my parting shot. All right. Well, that's a good segue to our parting shots.
00:41:43.680uh dave okay uh presented without comment but an interesting development at the legislature today
00:41:51.120is being talked from the leaders of the independence people that there's a lot of
00:41:56.000support in the ucp caucus for independence the press conference on crime today alongside the
00:42:02.560premier the public safety minister mike ellis was wearing a canadian flag and an alberta flag pin
00:42:08.000and he was asked about it and uh you know he's supporting alberta within the united canada
00:42:14.960and the premier held up uh um ellis's notepad or binder and it was adorned with canadian flags as
00:42:23.720well as alberta flags so looks like there's at least one ucp member that is not an independent
00:42:29.360supporter the one who reads lead and acknowledgements yes that's him yeah yeah that's mike
00:42:35.080if you're watching the very least cut out the land acknowledgements like good god all right
00:42:43.120speaking of land acknowledgements we're on the traditional territory of cory morgan oh yeah and
00:42:47.740i hit this a bit on my show but i just have to hit it again hats off to jen gerson for putting
00:42:52.020out the picture on x of the room set aside at city hall in calgary where all the toys are laid
00:42:58.600on the table for councillors and city staff to play with to try and wind down because they have
00:43:04.220the hearings over the land use uh oh that wasn't meant for kids oh no that really i thought it was
00:43:09.060meant for kids that really is meant for the counselors that's for the counselors and staff
00:43:12.700now they got a therapist and a therapy dog coming in too because these patty wastes and that's what
00:43:17.460i'm going to call them are going to get their feelings hurt because some upset landowners are
00:43:21.120coming in and speaking in harsh terms over the hearings over the next few days so they're doing
00:43:24.540all of this to accommodate so these snowflakes don't melt down over the course of this jen has
00:43:30.400been back and forth saying no this is people uh not understanding this wasn't a joke i'm posting
00:43:35.340on x this was really what she's seen i i saw it briefly yeah where kid is playing because a kid
00:43:40.620plays with toys but i didn't think it was a big because i was like oh they got a room for the kids
00:43:43.760with toys yeah whatever that's the safe space for the uh yeah mercy so it's worth mentioning again
00:43:49.920you wonder why your governance is bad and why there's much more to be flushed out than just
00:43:53.660the merit of your counselors there's your example of it i uh i took uh my older kid to the dentist
00:43:59.940yesterday and i had to sit for an hour in the waiting room with my three-year-old and the i
00:44:07.420hadn't been to this but because we had switched dentists and we'd gone back i'd been there since
00:44:10.000before covid and the toy room the toy room was empty there was no toys there just like some
00:44:14.440potted plants and stuff i said what happened to the toys they're like well we had to get rid of
00:44:17.880them during covid and i guess like many things they just never came back to normal and so i had
00:44:22.460sit there for an hour uh with no toy room for my three-year-old to spend time with your kid
00:44:26.860yeah and i was thinking like you sit alone with my son for an hour in a waiting room with no toys
00:44:35.180if you had toys i could play with them there was nothing so he was like taking a bottle of water
00:44:40.060and dumping it like it was a bad scene so yeah i could have used the toy room i did not know that
00:44:46.060was for the actual camp i thought that was for the counselor kids that's their little cool down
00:44:49.580retreat oh well i'm trying not to take it they got a therapist and everything already lined up
00:44:57.340so is this the western standards good calls of the mouth raise money to put toys in hospital
00:45:02.540waiting rooms no raise money for toys for our city councilors they're gonna do like other places
00:45:07.020when derek yells at me i go to the bathroom and cry in silence as we're supposed to not
00:45:10.540having us take it like a man that's right we need a toy room here i think so yeah it's called the
00:45:15.420bar downstairs the bar downstairs right it's closed now oh yeah so naga was that your parting shot
00:45:20.300yeah let's call it a parting okay oh that's good because we're practically out of time i'll just
00:45:24.380take a quick note for those who haven't seen our email go out or uh the um brief video statement
00:45:30.700i made um uh beauty pageant contestant and uh all-round beautiful woman jessica yaniv has sent
00:45:42.220uh legal notice to the western standard that she's taking us to the human rights commission
00:45:48.220for hate crimes and essentially for misgendering him uh and uh and also that she'll follow he'll
00:45:56.220she follows uh follow up with civil suits to get us as well saying you've misgendered me and this
00:46:01.980is blah blah blah blah blah and i'm taking you the human rights commission and we have to take this
00:46:05.580seriously because just like a month or so ago there was the newfeld decision in british columbia
00:46:10.540i actually read the full legal judgment today it was so much worse than i thought i mean we've
00:46:15.980we've tried to do it justice in our reporting but i read the full legal decision it's way worse than
00:46:22.220anybody knows it is positively totalitarian it's not just you're not allowed to say this
00:46:28.380you are required to say this and you must believe it in your heart otherwise you're guilty of a hate
00:46:33.980crime here uh and this guy got fined seven hundred thousand dollars for disagreeing with trans
00:46:39.200ideology being pushed on little children um we are way more guilty than that guy and jessica
00:46:47.600yaniv and his state uh legal notice to us said um you know that this is not just isolated
00:46:55.400incidences it's systemic to which i responded to mr yaniv it's absolutely systemic in fact
00:47:03.020it's more systemic than you know and i shared with him uh the screenshots of our style guide
00:47:08.620where we systemically misgender him as a policy uh it's literally in black and white you know we
00:47:16.000say uh you know if if we're reporting on a trans person but it's not relevant to the story well
00:47:22.480you you fine we'll call them whatever whatever they want he or she no skin off our back but if
00:47:28.460it is relevant to the story we're going to use their real biological sex and we're not going to
00:47:32.080use silly words made up words like cisgender and crap like that we're gonna say that's a male
00:47:36.920that's a female that's a man that's a woman etc anyway so uh this is coming down the pike for us
00:47:42.800uh we've uh raised some money from western centered readers and viewers already did you
00:47:48.500want to mention how mr yaniv first came to public uh attention oh well the wax my balls guy uh lady
00:47:55.540yeah yeah so you know he um did this he first came to notoriety for uh going after some poor
00:48:01.120vietnamese immigrant ladies running a uh some kind of aesthetic salon or something you know
00:48:06.420nails and waxing and uh he demanded that they wax her balls god i just love saying that sentence
00:48:12.960he demanded that they wax her balls just nuts it's it is nice well done and don't don't forget
00:48:20.260also i think it was the city of langley had to send her a cease and desist order because she
00:48:24.740kept getting into her bubble bath and then phoning the fire department to say she can't get out
00:48:29.440So all these big, hunky firefighters had to come over repeatedly to help her get out of the bath.