Western Standard - April 06, 2026


THE PIPELINE： The NDP convention goes off the rails as Alberta independence hits 177,000 signatures


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00:00:00.000 G'day! Today is April 1st, 2026. I am Derek Vildebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard,
00:00:29.540 and you're watching the pipeline i've got the usual crew here today western standards former
00:00:34.580 opinion editor nigel hannaford all again senior alberta columnist cory morgan news editor dave
00:00:41.140 naylor good evening great show great show uh first the ndp go full retard by not only elect
00:00:49.060 a trotskyite as their leader uh the convention itself descended into pure madness woke doesn't
00:00:57.300 do justice to how i and i i apologize for the term retardant to the older people who don't
00:01:03.220 get it we would never use that term for a person with actual disabilities
00:01:06.900 well i use it in the turret way in which i used it in the fifth grade very liberally for just
00:01:13.940 people who are cognitively functional but somehow still very stupid and uh we're gonna get into that
00:01:20.340 you've seen i'm sure a bunch of the viral clips of it but we're gonna get into it talk about what it
00:01:24.580 means for the NDP going forward. The Alberta independence campaign says that it has the
00:01:31.120 177,000 signatures necessary to force a citizens initiated referendum on independence. All signs
00:01:41.860 point towards go for a vote on October 19th. We're going to talk about where the independence
00:01:46.180 movement goes from there. But first, news out of Ottawa. The federal liberal government is
00:01:53.820 quietly considering modernizing Canada's national anthem, senior officials saying that they will
00:02:01.100 remove some or all references to God and replace the words with something more inclusive.
00:02:09.180 According to the documents we obtained in Access to Information,
00:02:14.380 Department of Canadian Heritage has been revealing it, specifically the line,
00:02:19.580 god keep our land glorious and free the idea is to change it and bring it in line with the successful
00:02:24.660 2018 change to the national anthem to make it gender neutral when they removed in all thy
00:02:30.200 son's command replaced it with all of us command uh some of the secularist groups in quebec have
00:02:37.480 have praised this uh one group in quebec though uh says in addition to removing god they want to
00:02:42.180 remove the word Canada, because Canada, as they see it, is a colonial and oppressive construct,
00:02:49.740 so remove Canada from old Canada. The new NDP leader, Avi Lewis, says, I'll quote him here,
00:02:54.640 I think we should explore whether God should be updated to something that better resonates with
00:02:59.140 all Canadians, and express a solidarity with Palestine, perhaps something like Allah keep
00:03:06.360 our land glorious and free uh others have talked about taking elizabeth may said it should take
00:03:12.300 on our first nations that uh we should replace god with great spirit uh or creator and potentially
00:03:19.260 even change canada to turtle island in the national anthem alberta premier danielle smith
00:03:24.920 uh was fiercely opposed to it but she said uh it's hard for her to get worked up about it
00:03:29.340 because canada could have its own anthem by november 1st and she guarantees it will have
00:03:33.340 many, many references to God.
00:03:36.640 Pierre Polyev
00:03:37.520 says, this is the same
00:03:39.620 government that can't axe the tax, build the homes
00:03:41.580 or stop the crime, and wants to
00:03:43.460 distract from issues by finishing another job
00:03:45.420 Justin Trudeau couldn't, wrecking our anthem,
00:03:47.680 sissifying our country, and atheizing
00:03:49.580 the people. But since the
00:03:51.480 Conservative Party values the votes of newcomers,
00:03:53.580 they'll be abstaining. And of course, PPC
00:03:55.420 leader Maxime Bernier, he took a harder position,
00:03:57.520 says, these atheist cucks are ruining
00:03:59.400 our country, deport them all, or burn them
00:04:01.340 at the stake.
00:04:03.340 well for those of you who still haven't got it yet i already mentioned the top of the show it's
00:04:08.940 april fool uh april 1st what's if you didn't get it i mean shame on you don't trust any of the news
00:04:14.980 even us even us sometimes we're trying to pull one in on you uh dave our alex zoltan uh our bc
00:04:22.340 reporter did this story you oversaw it uh it was top shelf it's kind of our standard practice for
00:04:28.900 our annual april fool's day story we always want to do something that's outrageous and crazy
00:04:32.640 but believable something close enough to reality and we sure tricked a lot of people this year
00:04:38.760 certainly did you just read the comments and it was uh you know the liberals could the people
00:04:45.160 bought it because it could happen it's not something that you would put past the liberals
00:04:49.000 to do it and uh and that's the that's the key to making a good joke uh was it the year before
00:04:54.660 the year before that we had the the federal government getting rid of a lane on the trans
00:04:59.520 canada and doing a trans bike lane uh you know across country painted with colors and
00:05:07.520 got a lot of people with that one including jordan peterson and we've got a lot of people
00:05:12.560 on this one too it's uh it's always a good uh good fun day of the year to be a journalist
00:05:17.440 yeah yeah we always try to start as believable and straight face as possible at the top and then we
00:05:22.320 get into uh maxime bernier calling for burning people at the stake at the bottom we shouldn't
00:05:27.280 to put the caveat though i mean when the conversation evolves into the ndp as bizarro
00:05:31.840 and surreal as it is believable none of it is april 1st stuff guys this is real that's that
00:05:36.560 that is why i think of all the news outlets we have the best april fools stories because we
00:05:41.920 it's not true it is a trick it we are fooling you but it's something totally plausible it's
00:05:47.040 not true but it's plausible we're lying by telling a greater truth i think that uh most people don't
00:05:54.000 read very far into it but if you ran into it uh quite a bit and you got to a guy called frenchy
00:05:59.120 mcfrench i didn't i didn't quote him saying tabernac i think that's when most people probably
00:06:12.000 all right um anyway the the risk of what we're doing is we actually give uh the federal government
00:06:18.080 ideas because this is something they would do they would do it okay all right the next part i
00:06:25.300 swear to god this is true news we are not making this up uh you probably know it because you've
00:06:32.060 probably seen a bunch of the clips on it these clips first went viral when uh again our bc
00:06:35.920 reporter alex zoltan he was uh monitoring the ndp convention most of what the media watch and
00:06:42.980 what the public watch if the public most of the public watch none of this but they'll watch like
00:06:47.200 speech from you know the winner and stuff like that of the leadership they don't watch the the
00:06:52.320 nuts and bolts of the convention itself oh they were nuts uh i'm not sure which of them had nuts
00:06:59.600 we're not allowed to say nuts there some bolts too i'm sure yeah missing some nuts and bolts
00:07:08.160 oh god i'm having evisions from silence of the lambs um okay uh so we're just
00:07:15.360 many of you have already seen it we're just going to play a quick little montage of some of the
00:07:19.360 the best of moments from canada's democratic socialist parties convention the point of
00:07:24.640 privilege on microphone one then we'll go to microphone three go ahead delegate yes hello i
00:07:30.320 i was standing here with my gender equity card before you called on the previous speaker
00:07:34.880 this card was used in an inappropriate matter i see that we are one minute ahead of schedule
00:07:42.640 and so i'm going to get out of here these are my rights being directly under attack
00:07:48.880 right now in alberta and that a cisgender woman had spoken uh over me i will invite delegates to
00:07:56.800 assist me in better using the card by forming a straight straight line behind the microphone
00:08:05.040 um with a prominently displayed equity card and we thank delegates not to call me
00:08:09.600 Madam Chair or Madame la Présidence.
00:08:11.540 I'm a non-binary person.
00:08:12.680 My pronouns are they, them, and their.
00:08:14.140 Chair is sufficient.
00:08:19.960 And with regret, you've spoken to the resolution.
00:08:23.140 It's not open to you to also call the question.
00:08:25.880 Okay.
00:08:29.580 The state rests its case.
00:08:32.220 They're certifiable.
00:08:35.060 I mean, this stuff is...
00:08:38.380 I don't know, Dave.
00:08:39.600 you start I don't know I don't even know what to say well I think it goes down as the you know
00:08:45.060 Nigel's been around a lot longer than I have but certainly the most bizarre political convention
00:08:49.680 and in Canadian history uh some of the most bizarre attendees uh you know you've seen it by
00:08:56.120 the uh the little clips that John just played the gender cards and cis cards and cards coming here
00:09:03.800 cards come in there and it was it was it was a little ridicule uh and unfortunately it is
00:09:10.200 it's brought shame on the country out of canada uh it's being mocked around the world sky news
00:09:16.440 had a segment in australia where they're saying canada is not a real country greg gutfeld on fox
00:09:23.720 last night was saying they got to build a wall northern canada to keep out the wackos you know
00:09:28.520 he gave out about 20 minutes which is a lot they gave a lot of material yeah they gave him
00:09:33.480 two hours worth of material to work with so yeah i've certainly never seen anything like it uh
00:09:38.600 i feel sorry for the the average real ndp person who goes to these pays their money and then goes
00:09:45.880 to the convention and is probably sitting in row 12 just wondering what the hell have i got myself
00:09:50.840 into and it's uh you know by uh electing uh uh avi lewis they've moved so they are now left of
00:10:00.460 elizabeth may okay we'll get to avi lewis uh i want to focus on uh yeah it was crazy everything
00:10:06.760 but yeah um i'm not positive it was john john k may have been him or someone else uh dubbed uh
00:10:15.700 We'll put a picture of him, her, they back up.
00:10:20.060 Pronoun Hitler.
00:10:21.520 Put pronoun Hitler back up.
00:10:23.400 Let's juxtapose it with old school OG Hitler.
00:10:27.220 You could see where they, them is going with this.
00:10:34.840 There was one segment where she, they had to use the word straight
00:10:41.020 in some very non-obviously gender-related things.
00:10:43.500 just straight like she choked on it yeah like it showed on the word the word itself was too much
00:10:50.320 for her yeah it's um not even in sexual context can't talk about us god damn it cory oh my god
00:10:57.920 what what did you read into that i wasn't even heard that time
00:11:01.420 you guys picked up what cory said right no no okay okay it's just me okay i don't know i know
00:11:09.400 normally i'm going to see something true this time i missed it let me know what i was getting
00:11:13.080 let us know in the comments if you guys took cory what i said maybe i'm just over sensitive
00:11:16.760 kind of things he says now probably after the show okay um so to dave's point cory uh
00:11:25.240 you know what are the regular members thinking sitting there i'm not sure how many are there
00:11:29.880 because you know at the core and i'm speaking in very broad strokes here but you know at the core
00:11:37.240 of the left in general is a sense of a lack of self-esteem of victimhood of and of moral
00:11:45.240 superiority to compensate fear a lack of success and so if there i'm sure there were a handful of
00:11:53.160 like white straight cisgendered males there and they're they're not allowed to speak because they
00:12:01.260 all have they're literally playing race cards they're literally playing gender cards and
00:12:05.800 they have a whole bunch of categories.
00:12:09.200 So if you're a white, straight,
00:12:11.100 so-called cisgendered
00:12:12.560 Christian guy, and you're just like
00:12:14.760 an old-school labor guy who's there
00:12:16.300 somehow,
00:12:18.780 do they enjoy...
00:12:22.420 It's a humiliation ritual.
00:12:23.760 Could you imagine Gil McGowan sitting in that crowd?
00:12:25.920 Yeah! He's super privileged!
00:12:27.680 His white privilege is off the chart!
00:12:29.640 So, like, how do you think
00:12:31.380 a white... I don't know. How do you think a Gil McGowan,
00:12:33.300 say, would feel there?
00:12:34.760 that he's literally not allowed to speak.
00:12:39.280 Are they kind of enjoying this humiliation ritual
00:12:42.500 or are they actually upset like what happened to my party?
00:12:45.580 Well, I think most of them are already gone.
00:12:47.040 That's what happened here is that Jagmeet Singh and so on
00:12:51.040 and this party is atrophied and it's shrunken
00:12:53.260 and it's gotten smaller.
00:12:55.280 And what we saw was a display of what the husk of it is.
00:12:57.800 You know, the pragmatic labor types have moved on
00:13:01.400 or at least they won't show up for these meetings.
00:13:02.900 they've allowed the fringe to dominate now i mean they're down to they're just a a fringe party in
00:13:08.180 the house of commons and you know we we know from even established parties if you've got a small
00:13:14.020 room the nuts can take the committee pretty fast and that's what happened there somebody referred
00:13:18.900 to it as the victimhood olympics you know because they had a point system you know you started at
00:13:23.940 a straight white man okay you're down at zero and everything you can come up with whether it's a
00:13:28.260 a handicap or racial or sexual identity and you just added all those points
00:13:34.860 until you got to jump the line I mean it was absurdity so how does the the last
00:13:38.760 of the stalwart NDP members feel about this I don't know you've got your green
00:13:45.600 card you've got your yellow card you've got your white card they're still need
00:13:50.760 to guys with the credit card yeah and that's the old school that you're
00:13:55.100 talking about now i you know this was hilarious in a sad kind of way and of course you have to
00:14:01.020 remember we've got people who think like that and do that kind of thing and speak like that
00:14:06.140 right here in alberta as well so you know we can't we can't afford to be too too snooty about it but
00:14:13.180 you know um most people don't take that much notice of politics when it's not an election on
00:14:20.460 this will be over and done with in a day or two everybody had a good laugh meanwhile you're a new
00:14:26.940 leader he'll make his presence felt in the in the commons no he won't well he's got to get a seat
00:14:33.900 but he's not going to run for one he goes no real seats available he's safe to win but uh you know
00:14:38.220 he's going to have his uh he's going to have his say and when the election does come around remember
00:14:43.260 there are 3 million people who normally vote NDP that's the pattern over the last several elections
00:14:51.820 only 1.25 million voted for Jagmeet Singh that is there's going to be a bounce back up and it's
00:14:59.580 going to come from people to whom all of what we are talking about meant nothing they were born NDP
00:15:06.540 they will die NDP they will vote NDP and it's going to be interesting see what that you know
00:15:12.940 when one and a half million people come back to the NDP at the next election,
00:15:17.580 which I think they will, what difference does that make to the outcome?
00:15:22.140 You don't think there could be a 1.25 million leave?
00:15:25.660 I mean, you look at the autoworker.
00:15:27.340 Well, they should, but no.
00:15:29.420 The autoworker whose dad was a member of the union in Windsor, and you're a member of the
00:15:35.100 union, and you've always been an NDP and you're looking at this.
00:15:39.580 Well, it's an interesting point because when the Reform Party got started,
00:15:42.540 There was a lot of people who walked over from the NDP to join the people who they would never have thought they would ever have any agreement with, and the Reform Party was born.
00:15:51.940 Well, this is a broader trend across the whole Western world right now, where traditional Labour versus Bourgeois Party politics of Europe have faded down.
00:16:04.620 It was never as strong in the United States and Canada as it was in Europe, but it's breaking down even in Europe, where social democratic parties have lost basic blue-collar unionized support.
00:16:16.180 It's now much more cultural.
00:16:18.440 People vote along the lines of, how do you feel about mass migration?
00:16:21.320 Much more than they feel about, you know, what do you think policy should be on open versus closed shop for unions?
00:16:28.320 Like, that's happening everywhere.
00:16:29.960 I think this is just accelerating, though, the NDP.
00:16:32.100 So this is a good way for us, I think, to pivot into the party more broadly under the direction of Abbey Lewis.
00:16:38.740 So Abbey Lewis, I mean, his predecessors, and he comes from NDP aristocracy.
00:16:44.540 His grandfather...
00:16:46.960 Just died, I believe.
00:16:48.240 Yeah, no, his grandfather was already dead.
00:16:50.700 His grandfather was the leader, I believe, of something called the Waffle,
00:16:54.660 which was a radical Marxist and Trotskyite faction within the federal NDP.
00:17:00.520 was eventually kind of purged as it
00:17:02.320 was trying to not be seen as too
00:17:04.680 tied to the Soviet Union.
00:17:06.760 Or it was by purge, it was kind of
00:17:08.260 pushed down, suppressed.
00:17:10.800 His father,
00:17:13.100 Stephen Lewis,
00:17:14.540 he was leader of the federal NDP and leader
00:17:16.560 of the NDP in Ontario.
00:17:18.940 So he comes from NDP
00:17:20.500 aristocracy. I mean, just as a family thing,
00:17:22.680 I mean, probably was nice for his father
00:17:24.680 if he was cogent at the
00:17:26.660 time. I don't know what his last days were like, but
00:17:28.660 it's good to see, you know, to see your son go on a
00:17:31.060 sixth season. So within the family,
00:17:32.920 that's nice.
00:17:34.920 So he comes from NDP aristocracy, he's married
00:17:36.980 to Naomi Klein, who is also
00:17:39.300 very well regarded
00:17:40.860 in the radical left in Canada.
00:17:44.080 I'm
00:17:44.520 always hesitant to
00:17:46.440 tell the left what's good for the left.
00:17:48.980 You know, the way I see, like, you know,
00:17:51.020 Gary Mason
00:17:52.860 of the Globe and Mail in Vancouver likes
00:17:54.880 to say, tell Albertans what's good for Alberta.
00:17:57.100 You know, or you see lefties always say, oh, if the conservatives have this leader, they're going to be too right wing and they'll never get elected or something.
00:18:08.200 I mean, they all said that about Danielle Smith.
00:18:11.060 You know, so I'm always hesitant of leftist advice for rightists.
00:18:16.000 So I'm cautious of committing the same sin in reverse.
00:18:19.120 What do I think the left should do?
00:18:22.200 I think there is a market for the crazy left.
00:18:24.180 but he is without a doubt
00:18:26.800 the most radical leftist
00:18:29.280 to ever lead the NDP
00:18:30.400 I don't think he would deny that characterization
00:18:32.620 I think he's
00:18:35.500 I'm not sure if it's openly or not
00:18:37.220 but he's a Trotskyite essentially
00:18:38.820 Trotsky's big thing
00:18:41.100 was that Stalin was too right-wing
00:18:43.520 that's kind of
00:18:45.760 when we say Trotskyism
00:18:48.400 we're talking about the schism that developed
00:18:50.080 within the extreme left between Stalinism
00:18:52.400 and Trotskyism
00:18:53.640 Of course, Trotsky says, and I would have been nicer, I wouldn't have murdered all those people.
00:18:57.940 Too bad he led the Cheka, oh no, he didn't lead the Cheka, he led the Red Army and murdered hundreds of thousands or millions of people himself.
00:19:05.120 So I think, you know, a bit of historical digression, but yeah, he comes from a Trotskyite position that thought Stalin was too conservative.
00:19:16.740 I'll put it to you, Nigel.
00:19:18.260 Is there a market for this in Canada in 2026?
00:19:21.760 Not seriously.
00:19:22.360 Not to win, but to have a crescent supply line.
00:19:24.920 Well, people would be able to like to, there are the kind of crazy pinkard people out there that we saw.
00:19:32.460 They will be, the spotlight will not be on them.
00:19:37.360 The party will take its case to the people and saying that Mr. Carney has betrayed the Green Movement,
00:19:46.600 that we need less oil or more solar power.
00:19:50.780 They'll say all those things.
00:19:52.360 they'll say they're in solidarity with the palestinians which is kind of odd given that i
00:19:56.840 believe the family the lewis family is jewish isn't it well i want to talk about that that
00:20:02.120 is a weird thing that also comes back to trotskyism but uh we'll go down that path a little bit yeah
00:20:08.440 yeah but anyway that no i mean these people know how to know how to run an election campaign
00:20:13.400 now they've got people out of the way who don't and like everything else they play out their
00:20:17.640 strengths and certain people will be told to just sit still and be quiet over there don't rock the
00:20:22.440 boat you'll get your you'll get what you want but let the big people who know how to do politics
00:20:28.280 win this election or win the seats and that's that's what they have is the possibility to take
00:20:34.440 power away from mr carney mr carney's right sitting on the edge of a of a majority with the
00:20:41.160 next three by-elections are supposed to go his way um they have the power to take that
00:20:46.600 away from him when it's that when it's that uh thin companies are hanging on less than 300 votes
00:20:52.760 dave this said is it what jade meet singh would say when i am prime minister blah blah blah blah
00:20:59.400 and everyone would laugh it was so self-evidently ridiculous but we'd humor him in that like well
00:21:06.840 you know they've got a you know respectable chunk of seats in parliament they build some power he's
00:21:11.080 He's not going to be a prime minister, but he says it, whatever.
00:21:15.220 The NDP briefly contested for power, sort of, before Jack Layton died and early Thomas Mulcair.
00:21:21.040 They were the up-and-coming party that could challenge the Conservatives in a two-party system.
00:21:27.000 I think this is the NDP explicitly just adopting its more traditional role of,
00:21:33.540 we're not contending for power, we're the conscience of Parliament,
00:21:36.740 and we are going to move the Overton window
00:21:39.200 far to the left, create space
00:21:41.220 and try to drag the Liberals there
00:21:43.240 when they don't adopt our policies
00:21:44.700 we create a political price for them to pay
00:21:46.620 that is a perfectly respectable
00:21:49.580 thing to do on the left and the right
00:21:51.480 in different circumstances
00:21:52.820 it's very often
00:21:55.540 done, the Green Party does it
00:21:56.940 the Green Party doesn't make claims to run for power
00:21:58.980 but they make claims to try to change the conversation
00:22:01.540 move things in their direction
00:22:03.240 I think this is the NDP
00:22:05.620 explicitly saying we have no interest
00:22:08.040 in actually governing anymore.
00:22:09.700 We don't even want, we saw how disastrous
00:22:11.380 the de facto coalition was with J.B. Singh.
00:22:13.540 J.B. Singh was too moderate.
00:22:15.120 We had to give up too much
00:22:16.020 to get those kinds of things done.
00:22:17.500 But we are going to try to radicalize
00:22:20.120 the conversation here
00:22:21.280 and try to win in meta-politics
00:22:24.220 and not worry about trying to win too many seats
00:22:27.180 and certainly not worry about
00:22:28.400 trying to win government anymore.
00:22:29.580 That's what I think,
00:22:30.920 that's the big message, I think,
00:22:32.620 that the NDP is explicitly
00:22:33.660 making that decision right now.
00:22:35.000 You may be, or you may be reduced to a rump party and end up just having one or two seats next to Elizabeth May.
00:22:41.640 Well, they're already essentially clear.
00:22:42.660 And having no influence whatsoever.
00:22:45.840 Their big problem right now is money, right?
00:22:49.060 They've got to find, as Nigel says, they've got to find some money men who are willing to put up big bucks to help them, you know, get some money in the bank.
00:22:57.240 They were massive, yeah.
00:22:57.940 Yeah, massive, massive.
00:22:59.040 But this could, by going really hardcore here, you could get some lefties who have, you know, some of them have jobs.
00:23:06.980 You know, they're white-collared, unionized government employees and professors.
00:23:10.480 By going this radical, you might convince the faculty lounge at whatever Ryerson University is called now to open up their wallets.
00:23:18.320 This could help them financially.
00:23:19.820 Yeah, maybe.
00:23:20.300 I mean, Lewis's family himself is worth $28 million, according to reports.
00:23:25.940 That would take a good chunk of their debt.
00:23:27.880 They didn't get that rich by giving it all to the party.
00:23:30.300 No, no, that is charity.
00:23:31.840 Also, remember, there's donation caps.
00:23:33.620 There's some moderate workarounds.
00:23:36.240 You know, I'm going to give the donation cap, maximum donation limit.
00:23:39.920 My wife will, my children's.
00:23:41.860 But, you know, you can't come in and just lay down millions of dollars.
00:23:46.600 It doesn't really.
00:23:47.180 You could put up a secure line of credit for the party to keep it afloat.
00:23:51.200 Private wealth can do that.
00:23:52.480 It's already happening, actually.
00:23:54.040 Yeah, that kind of thing can happen.
00:23:55.340 um but you know you can't come in just by your way like that super straightforward anymore
00:24:01.540 when you are positioning yourself to the left of elizabeth may a lot of most people most sane
00:24:08.740 canadians will not take you seriously uh you're right about some university professors and uh
00:24:15.000 and uh some of the uh david suzuki's of the world but for for most people no um i would think for
00:24:22.600 most NDP voters know. I don't think most people joined the NDP five, six years ago for it to be
00:24:30.840 run by the freaks that are running it today. For me, the question is where does the NDP
00:24:37.080 vote go to? Do they go to the Liberals or does it go to the Tories?
00:24:41.080 Well, you see there, Dave, that's where I think we're on slightly different tracks.
00:24:46.040 I think that the NDP will play down the freaks when it gets close to an election.
00:24:52.600 They won't be seen.
00:24:53.960 They won't be heard.
00:24:55.240 And they'll play on the old sentiment of, you know, we're the revolutionary left-wing party.
00:25:01.040 But the Tories and the liberals can just put out what their policies are.
00:25:05.420 They will.
00:25:06.060 And that's, you know, we don't want any more.
00:25:08.280 I think he's going to run as an, to his credit, I think he's going to run as a radical leftist.
00:25:14.280 The guy who's come out of the gate saying he wants to nationalize grocery stores, nationalize housing construction, nationalize.
00:25:20.140 he's gone way and beyond
00:25:22.200 I think he's in on this, I don't think he's going to
00:25:24.420 temper it a bit, but he certainly
00:25:26.580 is not starting to, now he's won the leadership
00:25:28.440 even, he's
00:25:29.260 you know, it's interesting, Corey, because
00:25:32.040 Mandani won on that platform
00:25:34.040 so maybe there's a
00:25:35.980 not-buyer
00:25:37.380 Canadians who have booked for free groceries
00:25:39.820 21 out of 23 council members
00:25:42.100 in Toronto voted to have
00:25:43.400 government-run grocery stores, as ridiculous
00:25:46.380 as it is, so it's true
00:25:47.600 there is a constituency for it, if you can
00:25:50.140 concentrate them, you can win some seats.
00:25:52.580 So, Nigel brought this up.
00:25:54.900 What do you guys take on this?
00:25:56.680 It's a difficult and very complicated
00:25:58.620 subject,
00:25:59.820 but his ancestry is curious
00:26:02.300 in this case.
00:26:03.940 He's Jewish. He's married to a Jewish
00:26:06.260 woman.
00:26:08.060 So, obviously, he keeps
00:26:10.440 his Jewish identity, but he's a secular
00:26:12.280 Jewish person. I'm not sure if he's
00:26:14.280 atheist or not, but he's certainly
00:26:16.060 not orthodox.
00:26:17.400 He's certainly not orthodox, and he is explicitly, and in very no uncertain terms, anti-Zionist.
00:26:26.040 He was asked about this at a press conference just the other day, and he says he comes from a long line of anti-Zionist Jews.
00:26:37.760 He was a part of the Bund, which was kind of a Jewish communist group in the former, what became the Soviet Union, pre-revolutionary Russia before 1917.
00:26:51.680 And I mean, I think that's a head scratcher to a lot of people that he would be not just not a Zionist himself, but explicitly anti-Zionist.
00:27:00.740 I don't understand it terribly well, but I mean, there is a tradition on the radical left of that, like Trotsky.
00:27:07.760 And I think this guy is a Trotskyite.
00:27:09.600 Trotsky was Jewish and he came from the radical, radical left in the Bolshevik Party.
00:27:17.500 And he was anti-Zionist.
00:27:20.380 And so there was kind of historically, if we're going back over 100 years here, 100 years, 100 years plus,
00:27:26.260 conflict within the community about where you're going to be nationalist,
00:27:30.580 so a Jewish nationalist being a Zionist, or internationalist being the extreme communists.
00:27:37.760 And so I think that's the best sense I can make of it, is he comes from the other tradition, and it's the minority tradition, certainly, within the world Jewish population today.
00:27:48.600 But it is a tradition that I think he comes from, and he says his father and his grandfather always come from.
00:27:55.460 I don't think that we need to be too puzzled about that, Derek.
00:27:59.160 I mean, we tend to think of the Jewish people as being united by their sufferings and therefore all thinking the same thing, but they don't.
00:28:08.380 And there are some who will cheerfully sell out their, you know, their race, if you want to put it that way, for their own advantage.
00:28:15.540 Here we have one.
00:28:18.700 It's not a surprise to me because there are lots of people who look like you and I who sell out people like us all the time.
00:28:28.960 Well, it's much more common among white people.
00:28:30.960 And it is. There's a number of different sects.
00:28:34.960 There's a Messianic Jewish congregation that believes actually,
00:28:38.960 they've created this hybrid of believing in Jesus being the Messiah,
00:28:42.960 yet claiming to still be Jewish. They've got a church down in West Calgary.
00:28:45.960 Well, they would be ethnically Jewish, but religiously Christian.
00:28:48.960 Exactly. But they deviate from the other things.
00:28:51.960 I mean, part of it too, with the Israel connection,
00:28:54.960 it's a pretty good indication
00:28:57.300 there's going to be some secularism going on
00:28:58.960 because those who are the true believers believe that
00:29:01.120 they have to be in possession of the temple map
00:29:02.960 for the coming of the Messiah
00:29:03.960 that's a lot of where that tie comes
00:29:06.040 well that's another one subsect
00:29:08.860 and then you get some Orthodox Jews
00:29:11.180 within New York who oppose
00:29:12.760 the Zionist cause
00:29:14.580 and that's more I think on a
00:29:16.540 idealized
00:29:19.400 thing that they feel it's going to come
00:29:20.920 the Messiah must come before
00:29:22.320 so I mean it's all over the map
00:29:24.640 But the bottom line is, as far as ideologies go, his extreme socialist ideology has overwhelmed any of the Jewish identity when it comes to the Zionism part.
00:29:34.420 In a lot of the debates online and as vitriolic as they get, I certainly wade into them on X, you know, because I really take pleasure in the nuanced discussion I get.
00:29:42.320 And some of the lunatics who really come after me on that one, though, you'll see they have the Palestine Plague and a shocking amount, honestly shocking, of the hammer and sickle.
00:29:50.880 Like, there's a battle going on, too.
00:29:52.880 There really is some people trying to make a resurgence,
00:29:54.540 not just of communism, but of Sovietism.
00:29:57.420 And they're tied into that whole Palestinian thing.
00:30:01.400 And I don't fully comprehend why,
00:30:03.740 because I don't see how a new Soviet system
00:30:08.480 is going to help the Middle Eastern countries.
00:30:10.360 But there's a lot of bizarro stuff going on.
00:30:11.920 All I can say is, look what happened to Trotsky.
00:30:14.780 Yeah, it didn't end well.
00:30:15.980 Yeah.
00:30:16.640 Dave, I feel kind of like we're crawling around,
00:30:18.980 I'm feeling our way through an unlit cave in this discussion of that.
00:30:23.080 It's, it's, it's, it's an odd one.
00:30:25.320 I don't fully understand it, but I don't think it'd be fair to call him an anti-Semite.
00:30:33.620 He is a radical anti-Zionist, like hard.
00:30:36.360 He is a hardline anti-Zionist, but I don't think it's not plausible.
00:30:41.580 I'm not sure he is self-hating because there is a, maybe he is, maybe he's not.
00:30:46.720 it's all blurry
00:30:48.780 I can't see into this man's heart but he does
00:30:51.020 come from a tradition that's like this
00:30:52.580 within secular Jewish
00:30:54.880 community
00:30:55.560 you know because are a lot
00:30:59.180 of anti-Zionist anti-Semitic
00:31:01.080 yes but not all
00:31:02.520 there's different groups
00:31:04.780 I mean I haven't seen Lewis trying to
00:31:06.880 soft sell or apologize and hopefully that doesn't happen
00:31:08.820 say for the ones who've been targeting a Jewish
00:31:10.840 community repeatedly in Toronto
00:31:12.400 that's anti-Jew
00:31:14.500 that is uh but there are the people who are just critical of the concept of israel at all together
00:31:19.540 not necessarily the jew aspect it's very hard to untangle those two things but that is where
00:31:23.380 they're coming from i think i i'm gonna guess that lewis is landing where they haven't seen it
00:31:28.580 but again the interesting thing i mean the only one and only flag waving on the stage when he did
00:31:32.420 the big money shot at the end of the convention was a palestinian flag no canadian flags no manitoba
00:31:37.620 flags no not even a trans flag just a palestinian well okay so that is the most baffling part of all
00:31:44.180 that i just don't get like why why like why would you have okay i guess
00:31:52.020 you guys like palestine good for you you like trans but you didn't have the fan
00:31:56.420 they didn't have a canadian flag does anyone want to attempt to that and i know we're really
00:32:03.380 deep into the dark cave at this point you know we're trying to get inside their minds and i'm
00:32:09.060 sure we're not doing a great job crazy place to get it it's a terrifying dark cave any idea of
00:32:14.820 why they would choose to have a only palestinian flag on a stage and not even a canadian flag
00:32:21.220 not even alongside it just a way of giving the finger to everybody who doesn't agree with them
00:32:25.860 don't forget you've got a most disagreeable bunch of people there we were talking earlier about the
00:32:31.460 there they were with their cards and their pink hair and their shrapnel in their ears and so forth
00:32:37.700 Well, by their appearance and by the positions they take,
00:32:43.100 they're just saying, screw you to the rest of Canada.
00:32:45.500 Well, they don't care about electability.
00:32:47.100 And I mean, maybe he's saying the same thing.
00:32:50.260 Do we think they did it deliberately or do we think they were just an organ?
00:32:53.540 Those things are stage organ.
00:32:54.700 Those are stage managed events.
00:32:55.880 You're careful about who brings which flag onto a stage for a shot like that.
00:32:59.180 And I mean, the conservatives, you know,
00:33:00.980 Paliyev is typically, and Shuv and others,
00:33:04.020 but pretty supportive of Israel and so on.
00:33:05.760 But you know darn well they're not going to have a conservative event where one flag in the background is the Star of David waving around there.
00:33:11.580 That would be ridiculous.
00:33:12.720 As you're pigeonholing and causing division, you don't need to embrace.
00:33:16.620 These guys chose to.
00:33:17.940 The conservatives would be rightfully ripped if they had any foreign flag on stage besides...
00:33:24.020 If it's alongside the Canadian flag, even that's a bit weird if you're supposed to be the Canadian party.
00:33:30.500 But you have only one, and it's a foreign flag.
00:33:33.300 of a nation that this question of whether it exists or not
00:33:36.360 I don't understand
00:33:39.740 we need a translator
00:33:41.080 I don't think we're gonna, this is the wrong room
00:33:42.880 to try and get into the mind of NDP
00:33:44.780 we need to talk to someone
00:33:45.600 they don't talk to me, they throw stuff at me
00:33:48.220 I like talking to them, I mean it's crazy
00:33:50.680 but sometimes it's a bit more interesting
00:33:52.180 just talking to you guys who are mostly sane
00:33:54.760 okay
00:33:56.180 mostly sane
00:33:58.180 well, let's face it, we have seen a lot of our old
00:34:00.820 kind betray us
00:34:01.920 this man is a Jew
00:34:03.900 but he's not taking the Jewish part
00:34:06.740 so
00:34:07.800 I'm not sure I think he sees it
00:34:10.480 probably just as a different
00:34:12.660 tradition it's like a different way of doing
00:34:14.760 it as they would see it
00:34:16.560 well what would be the it
00:34:18.480 then
00:34:19.020 I mean
00:34:20.440 what does success look like for him
00:34:24.700 having taken that position
00:34:26.140 world communism
00:34:27.060 that's what I mean that's where you get to the bottom
00:34:29.900 That's what I was saying, the hammer and sickles.
00:34:31.180 Starting in Winnipeg?
00:34:32.360 Ooh, yes.
00:34:34.600 Yeah.
00:34:35.600 Okay.
00:34:38.120 Okay.
00:34:38.700 Anyway, that's...
00:34:40.400 I'm not polishing the turd.
00:34:42.540 We're trying to dissect the turd here.
00:34:44.440 Anyway, yeah, I guess when the segment's called NDP Go Full Retard,
00:34:47.640 it's difficult for us to empathize.
00:34:51.240 We've done our best.
00:34:53.460 Okay.
00:34:54.640 Alberta goes full independence.
00:34:56.920 um so cory uh the alberta prosperity project says that it has reached 177 000 signature threshold
00:35:06.800 they're obviously going to try to get more than that because some signatures will get disqualified
00:35:10.440 for different reasons uh there was one setup uh you know i live out in county i there was a
00:35:17.080 new location set up just on the side of uh township road i was driving home to yesterday and
00:35:21.480 I stopped by and chatted with them, so they're still going strong at this, but it seems extremely likely now they're going to get the signatures, and we're going to be having a referendum alongside nine other questions on referenda in October.
00:35:37.820 Yeah, and yeah, Stay Free Alberta, they did their thing.
00:35:40.980 I'm a little perplexed as to why, I mean, if there was a successful petitioning thing,
00:35:45.520 to give a little credit where it's due, you know,
00:35:48.900 Lukasik didn't let a peep about his numbers out until the very end.
00:35:52.600 And then floored everybody with a massive number.
00:35:54.640 And that way he kept his volunteers constantly pushing and going and going.
00:35:58.800 Yeah, this is not a good idea.
00:35:59.840 I know that Stay Free Alberta is saying, but don't stop, guys.
00:36:02.640 Keep going.
00:36:03.180 We need to make an example.
00:36:04.620 look these are volunteers who have been sitting out on cold highways they've been getting the
00:36:09.660 finger from people they've been taking time out of their lives and some will continue to do so
00:36:14.360 but that's hard work and it's going to be a little harder when the weather's bad you get up in the
00:36:18.460 morning geez do I want to go set up at a table outside or go knocking on doors or maybe I should
00:36:22.960 you know clean the bathroom or something it's going to slow down the collection but they were
00:36:27.500 feeling some pressure I mean it seemed like every week another story was coming out saying that
00:36:31.380 they're not going to make it. And it's freaking people out and freaking supporters. There was
00:36:35.180 another one saying, oh, that was hitting the headlines just two days ago. Oh, there's problems
00:36:38.980 with rural addresses and they might not make the bar. And I think they were getting frustrated with
00:36:42.440 that and just wanted to say, look, we're getting it done. And then there's that potential injunction
00:36:47.240 coming on the South, which isn't stopping a referendum. It's stopping the petitioning,
00:36:51.560 which is really bizarre. And for most legal people I've talked to, though, you can never
00:36:56.080 predict a judge saying it's really, it's junk. It's not going to go through, but they're feeling,
00:37:00.200 well we want to establish we crossed the line there's going to be a referendum injunction and
00:37:05.260 no referendum we did what we had to do and they'll have that moral ability to push for one this fall
00:37:10.520 so i think that's the rationale on releasing that but it's clear there's going to be a referendum
00:37:14.760 this fall people had better accept that and move on to the campaign mode now um yeah and so campaign
00:37:21.780 mode is i think where this they need to start start thinking about things um jason kenny is
00:37:28.280 I guess positioned himself as
00:37:30.320 the de facto leader of the Federalist side
00:37:32.340 which is wonderful
00:37:33.880 but he's got the easier job
00:37:36.140 they've got the high ground here
00:37:38.260 he's defending high ground
00:37:39.860 but I think
00:37:42.320 this is trying to position himself to
00:37:44.020 take Pierre Polyev's job
00:37:46.320 if Polyev loses the next election
00:37:48.080 I think that's what he's trying to position himself for
00:37:49.780 he probably won't get much support in Alberta
00:37:52.360 when that happens but he could say to the rest
00:37:54.360 of Canada, I kept Alberta
00:37:56.220 in Canada
00:37:58.100 The pro-independence side, though, that's got no clear leader at all.
00:38:05.640 You know, there's a number of names around.
00:38:09.160 I know Kenny's going to be debating with Keith Wilson of the Alberta Prosperity Project.
00:38:15.240 He's a pretty well-spoken guy.
00:38:18.240 But, Dave, there does not appear to be any real major figure yet on the independent side.
00:38:25.600 And to me, that looks like that is the single biggest thing that's got to get fixed.
00:38:30.360 Absolutely.
00:38:30.940 But they seem quite happy at the moment.
00:38:33.100 We talked to Mitch Sylvester yesterday.
00:38:35.960 He's one of the leaders.
00:38:37.460 He says, look, we've gotten this far.
00:38:40.420 We've got several leaders.
00:38:43.000 Jeff Rath is one of our leaders.
00:38:45.940 But he doesn't want to be a politician.
00:38:48.600 I don't want to be a politician.
00:38:49.920 So he's quite happy to let things grow from the ground level up.
00:38:56.180 So I don't – I'm like you, Derek.
00:38:59.200 I think that they need to have somebody, and they need to have somebody in place quick if they want any chance of winning this thing.
00:39:07.140 But they don't seem to be in any rush to appoint a leader unless they're keeping something up their sleeve.
00:39:14.020 Well, I know when, Nigel, one of the things, you know, Alberta Prosperity Project says is, well, you know, this is nonpartisan, it's decentralized, you know, Corey and I have been around this movement a long time, we know that by its very nature, the movement attracts very independent minded people that sometimes have a hard time working together.
00:39:35.280 So it might be very difficult for you to get literally everyone else to stand down, essentially become lieutenants and have one guy up front and everybody agree to do that.
00:39:44.700 A lot of that is being independent minded. Some of it, no one will admit it, but some of it is going to be ego.
00:39:52.980 So I don't know. Is this just is it just kind of an excuse?
00:39:56.560 The reason we have no leaders because everyone's a leader and it's organic and everyone goes out.
00:40:00.660 is that legitimate or do you think it's
00:40:05.060 I see it as a bit of an excuse for the independent side not able
00:40:08.960 to organize itself appropriately for even a short term
00:40:13.160 campaign like this. Well no disrespects to many of the people who work very hard
00:40:17.020 on this project but nobody has actually
00:40:20.800 by their words and actions distinguished themselves
00:40:24.660 as the leader. It ought to be pretty obvious by now who the guy
00:40:29.040 as well it would be a guy uh but it's not just uh it's it's not obvious from the words and actions
00:40:40.080 so far so i think what you're going to get is uh you're assuming everything goes according to plan
00:40:47.600 you will get a referendum it doesn't have to be in october there's a number of things that could
00:40:53.840 delay it including the legislature itself that could schedule it later than october
00:40:58.640 or the legislature is within the legislature's gift to amend the question or just defeat the
00:41:04.240 bill there is actually no legal requirement for it to go ahead even if they get the signatures
00:41:10.400 so there's a lot of things that could interrupt the flow of this thing but until somebody comes
00:41:15.760 along who actually has the credo and the clout to challenge the federal government personally
00:41:22.160 and thereby draw to himself or herself all the bad words
00:41:30.720 that make other people want to rally around them and help them.
00:41:34.400 We've not got our Sam Adams.
00:41:36.640 We've not got our George Washington.
00:41:38.560 We've not got the people who you're going to send to the Constitutional Convention
00:41:43.800 to write the new book for Alberta.
00:41:47.500 So it doesn't mean it won't happen.
00:41:49.880 it just may take a little longer than the
00:41:52.540 enthusiasm hope. The thing is
00:41:54.560 they have the signatures, they know
00:41:56.660 that there is the feeling there
00:41:58.180 Well, we don't have our Washington
00:42:00.040 we don't have our Jefferson, but
00:42:02.160 well, some of us can fashion ourselves
00:42:04.640 at least the Thomas Paine writing our
00:42:06.740 pamphlets, trying to spread
00:42:08.700 the news for now. Somebody has to inform the
00:42:10.420 Washingtons. René Levesque could be something
00:42:12.560 they could use. Yeah, okay
00:42:14.080 we are out of time, I don't even
00:42:16.540 get a party shot, we have such little time, so we're going to go
00:42:18.520 quick firing line of parting shots starting with nigel all right so my my thing is about air canada
00:42:24.680 you know they'll they'll reroute you they'll start you early in the morning and deliver you
00:42:29.960 at late at night they'll lose your bags they will cancel the flight that you booked and put you on
00:42:36.280 at a time and then that you don't want to go and then as for the flight itself sometimes it goes
00:42:42.920 well and sometimes it's exciting none of that matters life goes on but when the chairman of
00:42:49.400 air canada gets up and delivers his heartfelt condolences for the two pilots who were killed
00:42:55.480 in new york in that accident and he only does it in english well then the bloody roof comes down
00:43:01.640 and oh well this can't be tolerated you're down the road and we're going to get somebody who can
00:43:05.880 speak both languages that's the problem you know like this is the problem i see in so many areas
00:43:11.960 of our life is that people are focused on the wrong things and that's just a beautiful
00:43:17.240 example and he was effectively fired by parliament the committee voted to recommend he be fired he
00:43:23.480 was essentially forced to retire and it wasn't just the liberals and the bloc it was the
00:43:27.960 conservatives too yeah well we got shame on the cash you know we've got it we've got to start
00:43:32.680 focusing what it is that matters to make this country work yeah corey i'll go quick i just
00:43:37.400 think since the condolences weren't properly delivered in french we should have the highest
00:43:41.320 office in the land do so and our governor general should give those condolences in an extended
00:43:45.320 french speech that's cruel you mean hey have corporate heads got to speak french shouldn't
00:43:53.460 our governor general dave uh the good ward good lord willing uh the uh manned mission to the moon
00:44:02.520 is underway as we speak uh for the first time in half a century uh godspeed artemis 2. amen it's
00:44:10.060 fake they're filming it in northern ontario all right nigel cory dave thank you thank you
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