Western Standard - The Pipeline： Trudeau’s shocking Indian Allegations

00:00:00.640 good evening welcome to the pipeline this is the western standards weekly panel show where

00:00:18.560 a number of us will go through the top issues break them down analyze them figure out what

00:00:23.600 they mean or at least give our best interpretation of the my name is corey morgan i am one of the

00:00:30.400 columnists in alberta for the western standard and i am joined by our i'm gonna skirt and and

00:00:35.920 dave naylor our news editor how's it going dave great corey great to be here good and our opinion

00:00:41.120 editor as always on the show nigel hanaford going great here too oh good thanks no problem what a

00:00:46.800 week it's just crazy it's it was really uh difficult to figure out what to talk about

00:00:52.800 first. There's so much going on. What we call a target rich environment. Yes. Well, it's better

00:00:57.820 than a dearth, I think. So it depends on what the issues are. We got a lot of them to talk about

00:01:03.500 today. We'll get through a few. Plus, we're going to be pulling in Sean Polzer shortly to talk about

00:01:07.860 things from the World Petroleum Congress. And we'll also have Jonathan Bradley checking in from

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00:02:12.020 All right. Well, let's get into it, Dave. Maybe I'll get you to kind of frame it and we'll pull

00:02:15.860 sean and we've got a very big event happening in calgary this week yes first time in 20 years the

00:02:21.300 world petroleum uh congress congress congress uh i always get it wrong uh 5 000 delegates from

00:02:28.420 across the world these are the movers and shakers uh of the oil industry uh saudi arabia from india

00:02:37.140 uh south america you name it they're here uh doing deals talking with the governments

00:02:42.900 and whatnot. And unfortunately, they've been getting mixed messages from our federal counterparts

00:02:49.720 and Daniel Smith, the Premier of Alberta. They've been offering different messages, which

00:02:56.300 Sean can talk about. Sure thing. Well, I'll start with Sean then,

00:03:00.940 since you're there on the ground, Sean, seeing things. It's unfortunate it's supposed to be a

00:03:05.740 global thing, a world thing, but it looks like kind of a local missing match of sorts is developing

00:03:11.680 uh between the the premier and the prime minister's representative yeah uh natural resources minister

00:03:18.000 jonathan wilkinson was one of the co-speakers at the opening ceremonies on sunday

00:03:23.920 while protests were happening outside the conference hall but while in the conference

00:03:29.360 hall and in his speech he spoke of the need to basically keep the oil in the ground

00:03:36.960 that oil demand is going to fall to 25 million barrels a day, that it's just the usual just

00:03:43.120 transition narrative that the federal government has been pushing for for a long time. Premier

00:03:49.920 Smith took exception to it. She said that her own media availability keeps such head steam coming

00:03:57.440 out of her ears. So she wrote her rewrote her speech on the fly and basically offered you know

00:04:05.120 point white point rebuttal to wilkinson basically reinforced her narrative which is that oil is not

00:04:12.880 going away demand is not going down alberta is not going to reduce oil production we will reduce

00:04:18.640 emissions but reducing oil production emissions caps all the all the rest of that is off the table

00:04:25.840 period and in her media availability the next day she said that uh those are hard those are hard

00:04:34.400 red lines and that the the her government intends to stand firm um how it played over with the 0.91

00:04:42.000 the international audience i think is uh kind of like what you said corey it's efficient

00:04:47.920 it's a bit of a pissing match and i think people are a little bit confused at what the actual

00:04:51.760 message is and what the support is from the various levels government that's kind of unfortunate

00:04:57.440 yeah well nigel like these summits are important these gatherings i mean there's the top world 0.99

00:05:02.160 oil producers in the world, thousands of the major players. I would imagine the last thing

00:05:07.040 they expected, though, was to be lectured by somebody on peak oil theorism. And, you know,

00:05:13.040 I mean, I understand the, you know, transitions coming along, perhaps, but, you know, that sort

00:05:17.920 of attitude coming towards them basically saying, hey, guys, you're on the way out the door.

00:05:21.840 You know, Corey, one of the things that Sean got in his article this morning, but he didn't say

00:05:27.680 just now i think it's very very important is that you've got oil producers from africa and they

00:05:33.280 point out that on that continent there are still hundreds of millions i think the figure was 900

00:05:39.840 million people who do not have electricity and they're not impressed by the theoretical

00:05:49.200 considerations advanced by the government of canada as to how we should all use less energy

00:05:55.040 they want to use more because they can't develop without energy our own development rested on

00:06:02.000 energy they want the same opportunities and what they may they're probably too polite

00:06:08.160 to say what they really think of the federal uh of the federal enhancements and the

00:06:14.880 the priorities that they're giving to getting getting us off fossil fuels and fuels but

00:06:21.040 But I would have to imagine that they are very much on side with Danielle Smith when she is saying we need to keep the lights on and the heat on when it's winter.

00:06:33.740 You can't rely on sunshine or winter.

00:06:38.560 And it seems we have some sort of climate summit going on somewhere on the planet that our ministers and activists are jet setting over to to lecture us on our carbon use and things such as that.

00:06:49.820 But yet it still wasn't enough, I guess, for our Canadian government.

00:06:52.340 They had to hit on one where we're talking about oil production.

00:06:55.720 You're thinking of COP28 in Dubai.

00:06:57.460 Yeah, COP28 in Dubai.

00:06:58.920 And even today, Prime Minister Trudeau is in New York at the global summit there.

00:07:05.720 He's doubling down on, you know, and giving more money to developing countries

00:07:10.820 so they can cut down on their climate or increase their climate change.

00:07:15.420 So the Calgary situation was embarrassing, Corey,

00:07:18.480 in that you go to these big things and you're supposed to present a united front.

00:07:23.560 And especially when it's on our home soil, it's in the home of Canada's oil and gas.

00:07:29.260 And to present such different fronts would have been an embarrassment to the hosts.

00:07:35.040 You know, I mean, one of the things that the prime minister is doing is giving Romania $3 billion to do what?

00:07:42.940 To buy small modular reactors.

00:07:45.460 give it to alberta if you want alberta to get off fossil fuels they our own government is interested

00:07:56.660 they announced a study i should be letting sean talk about this but uh this is the what is the

00:08:03.920 matter with these people that's a big question uh but you know we can we talk about that a little

00:08:09.840 more all we got sean on standby from the floor of the congress though i i guess aside from our

00:08:15.120 domestic sniping going on sean uh how have events been proceeding so far at the summit i i do the

00:08:23.280 delegates at least seem to be you know having some productive uh discourse and events going on

00:08:29.360 yeah i think it's um it's been very productive but um there's uh a lot of uh you know intermingling

00:08:37.840 uh just even walking around i just see people from all countries and all cultures and uh you

00:08:44.480 know the theme of the conference is this road to net zero and and i think the message that's coming

00:08:50.960 out of it is that proceeding too hard too fast is going to put a lot of hardship on people and that

00:08:58.160 uh the you know the transition it would be dangerous to uh accelerate it at the expense

00:09:06.080 not just from the developing countries who feel like they're getting ripped off from the north

00:09:10.320 These are countries that have been colonialized for a very long time.

00:09:13.600 But also here in the north, transitioning these energy systems.

00:09:19.520 It's going to take a lot of thought, it's going to take a lot of technology,

00:09:23.920 and it's something that isn't just going to happen overnight.

00:09:27.600 Are there more speeches and presentations from the federal and provincial representatives

00:09:33.600 over the course of this Congress? Is there room to at least reset it to a more positive note?

00:09:38.000 I think that the government role is pretty much done.

00:09:43.560 What we're seeing here in the last couple of days is more presentations from those developing

00:09:47.880 countries.

00:09:49.840 There was an American speaker this morning talking about geopolitical realities and resetting

00:09:56.240 some of these great power relationships with countries like China.

00:10:01.760 Again, the overarching thing is this energy transition.

00:10:07.200 against backdrop of the war in ukraine uh just all kinds of tensions that uh have you know there's

00:10:15.360 there's a lot of housekeeping that has to be done before we can make this sort of concerted ship 0.87

00:10:21.760 and uh that was the message from saudi ramco uh ceo nasser who basically said that uh we risk

00:10:30.000 creating an energy crisis basically of our own making this this one is going to be policy driven

00:10:35.840 and it's going to be potentially even more crippling than the shocks that we've seen in the 70s.

00:10:42.320 Well, I guess, you know, we can hope it is a big affair. And then aside from those other,

00:10:46.640 you know, the politicians being politicians, hopefully it's a productive gathering and then

00:10:51.120 some good, you know, deals are made and then some plans are put forth. I've heard we've gotten

00:10:57.200 between you and some gelato, so I'll let you go pretty soon here. Is there anything you'd like

00:11:01.440 to add before i let you go on this uh well i actually have to take over a prayer room to

00:11:06.640 find a quiet spot and uh i think i think i'm disrupting uh some of my uh congress colleagues

00:11:13.600 from um facing mecca and their cultural sensitivities as well so it's probably a good thing

00:11:24.400 okay well send our apologies for the incursion and thanks for uh giving us the updates sean and

00:11:29.680 and we look forward to your continuing coverage okay thanks guys thanks it uh should be noted

00:11:35.040 today cory the british prime minister suna came out and said we are rolling back the dates of the

00:11:40.800 are scheduled uh you know with where they're going to uh mandate electric vehicles and stuff like

00:11:46.320 that with he said we're going too hard too fast it's going to be too expensive on people and

00:11:50.640 they've ruled back their uh their deadlines well you know dave one of the things that's happened

00:11:54.560 over there is that the realization is starting to sink in that producers can't make money

00:12:02.360 generating electricity with offshore windmills. They just put a, it's very similar to a rights

00:12:09.200 sale in the Alberta oil patch. They had a rights sale for the right to put up windmills

00:12:15.320 and generate power. Nobody bid on it. They can't make money. So if you can't generate

00:12:20.900 the power that you want then presumably you're going to have to make other plans to use that

00:12:26.740 power that you thought you were going to have so i guess it's i don't know whether it's back to coal

00:12:31.220 in great britain or whether there's a business case for exporting natural gas from canada to

00:12:37.300 great britain what about that there you go just to quickly touch base on the the romania thing again

00:12:43.460 what an insult to calgary what an insult to alberta for the energy minister to leave this

00:12:47.940 conference where he was scheduled to to host canada night fly to ottawa uh to give romania

00:12:54.180 three billion dollars for small i mean what an insult and we tried romania before and it didn't

00:12:59.700 quite work there was a can-do reactor fiasco in romania already once and then 2014 it was announced

00:13:04.820 that they were going to produce more in a chinese snc lavalin partnership oh what good can come out

00:13:10.740 of that and snc lavalin is also the one who will get the contract for this so again i mean snc could

00:13:16.340 can talk the language of nations that are prone to corruption because they know what that's all

00:13:20.500 about. You can start to see the motivation as to why we have to lend money to get people to buy

00:13:25.220 our products when those products come from Quebec. But I guess just in closing before we get to

00:13:31.360 Jonathan, I could be mistaken, but I remember the last Petroleum Congress, I believe it spoke 20

00:13:35.740 years ago. I think Jean Chrétien was in power at the time, but it was a much bigger affair.

00:13:39.620 You know, I remember the protests were a lot bigger in Calgary. They sanctioned off a big

00:13:43.780 chunk of downtown, I think around the TELUS Convention Center, and they did a bunch out in 1.00

00:13:47.180 Kananaskis, I think, as well. It seems like this event is a lot more subdued this time around.

00:13:53.360 I think you may be right. I think you also may be mixing up some of the G7 leaders.

00:13:59.100 G7 leaders were out in Kananaskis. But the World Petroleum Show was big here in, I'm sorry,

00:14:04.360 Congress. I keep screwing it up. 20 years ago. I remember there was protests. The next one they

00:14:12.080 had in Seattle, and that devolved into a riot and stuff like that. But yeah, there was a small

00:14:19.400 demonstration on the weekend before the show officially kicked off, but very small.

00:14:25.240 Well, and that'll segue nicely into Jonathan and his coverage downtown. Maybe the problem is all

00:14:29.920 our left-wing protesters are divided because they got so many things they want to protest

00:14:33.480 all at once that they just spread themselves too thin and couldn't hit the Congress

00:14:37.200 with all they had. So Jonathan, I see you there. What we've got going on, I guess, is this March

00:14:43.600 for Kids going on. It's happening across the country in major cities. Maybe Dave, I'll get

00:14:49.840 you to start, though, and then tell us, you know, kind of frame what this is about here before I

00:14:53.480 talk to Jonathan. Sure. So the One Million March for Children is the official name of it,

00:14:58.820 started by Muslim groups in Canada who were worried about the lack of parental control in the

00:15:06.540 classroom started with New Brunswick when they brought in a law to say parents have to be advised

00:15:13.360 if the child wants to be known in a different gender and Saskatchewan followed suit and it was

00:15:19.780 the you know the predictable backlash from the left and that prompted the these Muslim groups 1.00

00:15:26.680 to get together they had weekly demonstrations in Calgary and other places that grew and grew

00:15:31.720 and grew. So they decided to hold a national day today. And holy cow, it warmed the cockles of

00:15:38.540 Nigel's cold heart to see the crowds, the crowds in Ottawa, the crowds in Toronto, St. John,

00:15:45.460 Lethbridge, Red Deer, Edmonton. The crowds were out everywhere. So there's a lot of people that

00:15:51.140 have their eyes on this issue, a lot of people actively marching. And, you know, Jonathan's

00:15:57.220 the one in calvary that's got thousands of people out of it too before we get to the cockles of

00:16:02.340 nigel's heart we'll get jonathan to report on what he's seen downtown then uh what sort of

00:16:07.860 turn are we talking about jonathan and how is it i guess the proceedings been going the proceedings

00:16:13.140 have been going well it's been a busy day i'm going to say a little over a thousand people

00:16:18.420 have shown up i've seen people from every race religion um different flags and different uh

00:16:25.940 signs being displayed there was a small counter protest happening across the street of about 100

00:16:31.300 people i was able to speak with many of the protesters and they told me that they were out

00:16:36.100 here standing up for their children and defending parental rights but when i went across the street

00:16:39.860 to try to review some counter protesters uh one person said that i work for a nazi newspaper

00:16:46.260 well yeah you're always going to get some of those that's for sure at least things have been uh

00:16:52.020 from our reports so far at least where you're at that nobody's been crossing the street or

00:16:55.940 assailing each other or crossing the line or anything like that there's been some few heated

00:17:01.460 exchanges between the two sides uh there are police present they're lining the streets blocking the

00:17:06.100 two sides um there are we're also uh mounted police like one of the horses going around because

00:17:11.940 the march did go from the harry hayes building to calgary city hall and then back and they're

00:17:17.380 going to be leaving for city hall for a second time in about 15 minutes yeah okay sorry i just

00:17:25.700 saw sean in the background was gelato i'll go to nigel though what are you feeling is it inspiring

00:17:33.060 we haven't seen something quite like this happen before well in one sense you know for somebody

00:17:37.380 with my convictions it's a very inspiring thing it's uh it's a bit of a sad thing that it took a

00:17:44.660 group of people who weren't brought up here in canada to get this rolling what does that tell

00:17:50.900 you about what we're teaching people in canada everybody's it's okay you know well no it's not

00:17:57.140 okay when you define what the common sense of the ages is and try and pretend that men can have

00:18:02.660 babies and if a man says he's a woman he's a woman which is what the prime minister believes 0.89

00:18:07.540 now that kind of thing should be so obvious to people that they just say well that's ridiculous

00:18:13.460 and walk away but apparently it isn't the thing that puzzles me here is the union involvement

00:18:20.180 because a lot of the protests were orchestrated by a very strong message from a union leader in

00:18:26.260 in hamilton saying get out there and get in the face of the people on this million march

00:18:34.180 what's in it for the unions i i have to assume that in the end if you follow it all the way back

00:18:38.820 it's money it is and it's power it's the power to divert the money into the into curriculum and

00:18:46.500 jobs for teachers and everybody gets gets rich out of this i think it's appalling frankly that

00:18:53.780 our in this country our teaching our own people has led us to the point that we can't see simple

00:19:00.740 blindingly obvious things when they are right in front of our faces well and i'll ask jonathan

00:19:06.660 about that this in a moment it's almost a strategic inoculation though that

00:19:12.100 unfortunately we're seeing the game of identity politics being played but they've turned it around

00:19:16.340 because the the left who loves the identity politics has their victimhood hierarchy and and

00:19:22.180 islamic people and muslims land quite high on it but they forget that they're very social

00:19:25.780 conservative people the observant muslims are very upset and offended by uh some of the things

00:19:31.620 things being taught in schools, and it makes it difficult, and they're afraid to counter-protest

00:19:36.820 against another minority.

00:19:38.420 I suspect, I'm just speculating, had it not been started through that course, we would

00:19:44.300 see a lot more counter-protesters, actually, and a lot more pushback on this, but they're

00:19:48.380 kind of afraid.

00:19:49.380 Yes.

00:19:50.380 You know, can I maybe just repeat a story from something that I wrote recently?

00:19:53.500 And this is a true story.

00:19:54.820 A friend of mine tells me about a colleague, an engineer from Pakistan who did very well

00:19:59.640 in a major oil company in Calgary.

00:20:02.700 He'd been here 20 years.

00:20:04.240 His children were born here.

00:20:06.280 And one day the nine-year-old comes back home after school

00:20:10.480 and goes to mom and says, the teacher said,

00:20:13.620 if I wanted to kiss another girl, that would be just fine. 0.51

00:20:16.500 So they started asking questions about what was going on

00:20:19.700 in the classroom and what was being taught.

00:20:22.140 And he said, look, that's how it's going to be.

00:20:24.480 I'm out of here.

00:20:25.820 And last year, beginning of last year, he left,

00:20:28.620 took his family with him said look the kids have got Canadian citizenship if they want to come back

00:20:34.140 they can when they're older but I am raising those kids back in Pakistan where I know a little

00:20:39.900 more what to expect and I have more faith in what they will be taught. So you know we make a big

00:20:45.820 deal about immigration when it is a it's supposed to be this our strength and we are chasing away 1.00

00:20:56.460 good people. He is not the only one. And people who we should be keeping are finding that our

00:21:03.340 way of life is actually destructive to their families, to their children. When the schools

00:21:10.740 start coming in between the parent and the child, it's time to leave. They can, for the rest of us,

00:21:17.440 it's time to do something. I'm glad to see that some people care enough to get out there and

00:21:22.980 protest i think nigel the the mainstream media has a lot to answer for in this in this situation

00:21:29.540 toronto star columnist last just last week wrote a column saying parents have no right to know

00:21:34.820 anything about their children uh and it was a matter between the the kid and the teacher so

00:21:40.580 when you've got and cbc coverage of the protest today made it out to be uh you know hate groups

00:21:47.620 uh trying to take gay rights and trans rights away from from people and that's just not the case at

00:21:53.380 all uh it's the exact opposite i mean this this is a march for for the parents to to be able to have

00:22:00.180 some some say in their child's upbringing uh so when you've got constant media like that hammering

00:22:05.620 it a hammering at you it's no wonder canadians are confused yep well i agree it all finds its

00:22:11.060 way back to the post-modernism that they've been teaching in universities and schools now for 50

00:22:15.940 years. So there is no real truth. So when you see something that's very obvious, no,

00:22:23.300 that's not what, don't let your lying eyes deceive you. That's not what you're looking at.

00:22:29.300 So further, I just, I'll check in with Jonathan one more time before we kind of let him go back

00:22:33.460 because then they're going to be marching again. I guess just anecdotally, Jonathan,

00:22:39.780 the original people who started this were Muslim groups, but are you seeing a lot of

00:22:43.940 minority presence there or is this as you said you saw a bit of everything but

00:22:49.280 is that the predominant group or is it kind of a bit of everybody know I'm

00:22:54.080 gonna say with the Muslims it's probably about one-third of the people who have

00:22:57.500 shown up which is a much larger than percentage of Calgary's population I've

00:23:02.300 seen many Sikhs I've seen black people I've seen white people with Christians

00:23:07.100 with the giant crosses I've seen non-white Christians it's really a 1.00

00:23:12.440 collection of everyone here and it's it's it's I've never seen anything like

00:23:17.420 it well it's it's a singular event going on we never would have thought we'd see

00:23:23.420 it coming to this so before I let you go to start getting ready to cover that

00:23:27.140 March is there anything else you'd like to report on or let us know before I

00:23:29.840 let you go well one thing I would say is that they are having they have a speaker

00:23:35.240 area where they're having a variety of people come on and give speeches and

00:23:39.080 Many of the speeches have been very positive.

00:23:42.300 There was actually one, the organizer, Mamid Moura,

00:23:45.400 who started it off by saying, we don't hate anyone.

00:23:48.180 We believe in love for everyone.

00:23:49.300 We just feel that the other side's misguided.

00:23:51.620 And I feel that's the real point of a protest happening,

00:23:54.400 what they're emphasizing.

00:23:56.520 Great.

00:23:57.020 Okay, well, we'll look forward to your reports

00:23:59.140 and what else you see there.

00:24:00.300 Jonathan, stay safe down there.

00:24:05.480 No gelato for Jonathan.

00:24:06.960 No, apparently not.

00:24:07.840 but I'm certain he can pick something up along the way out there.

00:24:10.640 But, you know, something I just said earlier, too,

00:24:13.180 something that's changed, as we know, we're different in view.

00:24:16.080 I'm quite libertarian, quite socially liberal.

00:24:18.540 But a line that crossed for me, and I think a lot of people down there,

00:24:21.100 was the school's getting between the parents and the children.

00:24:24.840 I don't want the state raising the kids.

00:24:27.320 I have absolutely no issue with parents feeling that their children

00:24:31.380 should embrace LGBTQ, you know, if they are that way or not, 1.00

00:24:37.140 or I support same-sex marriage. I have no issues with any of that. But that's up to the family on

00:24:42.700 how the course of action is going to go with that, not the school system. And when you're told so

00:24:47.160 arrogantly, as Dave said, by the Star, you don't have a right as a parent any longer to know what

00:24:51.840 your children are up to. Again, that's not hateful as to why I would be supportive of this sort of

00:24:57.560 protest. It's as a libertarian that you're infringing on my rights and choice as a parent.

00:25:02.200 Well, you know, it's unfortunate that we've used the phrase parental rights, because really what

00:25:07.080 should be talking about is put rental responsibilities you know rights sounds like

00:25:12.360 you own them in a chattel sort of way no no no it is the responsibility of parents because there is

00:25:19.480 nobody better to do it than mom and dad parents will lay down their lives for their children 0.99

00:25:26.600 literally in some you know in extreme circumstances they will certainly do it if they decide to help

00:25:32.920 pay for a college education they will lay down their lives frequently no new buick until the

00:25:38.600 the kids graduate so there is nobody else who has that degree of commitment to children there is the

00:25:46.840 love of the mother for the child there is the responsibility the protective nature of the

00:25:51.960 father and people say yeah there's bad parents well guess what there are bad schools and there

00:25:57.320 are unwise counselors. Nobody can be trusted to look after children like the parents. This

00:26:03.000 is a protest in favor of parental responsibility, not parental rights.

00:26:10.760 It's a good way to put that. And I mean, part of it is just the activists, they seem to overstep.

00:26:18.120 I mean, there's members of the LGBTQ community are getting tired of it. It's just never enough. 1.00

00:26:22.920 You start to defy reality when we start putting out absurd images of pregnant men or, you know, other such things as this, you know, common sense has to eventually take hold.

00:26:34.640 And again, I was struck by, I mean, if people really felt this was truly an anti-gay protest, a real hate-filled, terrible event like this, I think we would see a heck of a lot more than 100 counter-protesters.

00:26:46.840 There's a lot more people will be coming out and saying, no, we've got to nip this heat in the bud.

00:26:50.560 And it's actually kind of a strikingly, especially with the amount of union effort and other efforts to get people out, it kind of fell flat.

00:26:57.020 Yeah, the Hamilton union leader that we were talking about was encouraging their members to follow protesters back to the car and intimidate them and whatnot.

00:27:08.140 So far, you know, at the time of taping, everything's been peaceful.

00:27:12.140 Lots of yelling and, you know, giving of the middle finger and whatnot.

00:27:16.180 up. But, you know, it doesn't look like mass arrests or people getting stomped on by Ottawa

00:27:23.540 police officers. But it's kind of got that convoy feeling, doesn't it? Freedom convoy feeling. You

00:27:29.300 know, people are taking to the streets of Ottawa again by the thousands. And, oh, there's Jagmeet

00:27:35.400 Singh behind a rainbow flag. And he's, you know, trying to, everything's a fight, right? Everything

00:27:40.900 doesn't have to be a fight. It's just, I think you hinted at it earlier, Nigel, it's just common

00:27:46.920 sense. You know, if you're a parent who cares about their kids and are interested in what

00:27:51.900 they're learning at school, you want a say. And it's just there. It's just so easy. It shouldn't

00:28:01.420 be an argument. You know, the interesting thing is, where does this go from here? So they have

00:28:05.320 a day of protest. They get a million or they get half a million, whatever they get. The other

00:28:10.820 side turns out and screams at them or what are the kids going to get in the classroom same stuff

00:28:17.380 same stuff and the prime minister who thinks uh a man can be a woman uh if he's if he or she says

00:28:23.940 so so yeah um so that i i hope you know but you know we have seen uh the government of new

00:28:31.460 brunswick uh saskatchewan say they're they're going to put uh put laws in to protect parental

00:28:37.380 rights parental responsibilities as you said i certainly see the same thing coming uh from

00:28:43.060 daniel smith's ucp in alberta um quebec ontario their education ministers have all come out and

00:28:50.020 said uh that you know the parents have the every right uh so i i think that the the pendulum is

00:28:56.180 slowly slowly turning and uh you know credit to the muslims for uh organizing and uh getting uh

00:29:04.420 the rest of their Canadian comrades to wake up and smell the roses.

00:29:09.940 You bet.

00:29:10.480 The people out there are people who don't typically protest.

00:29:13.880 I mean, they've got better things to do on a Wednesday, you know, with their time.

00:29:19.100 The people, I mean, as I said on my show earlier, I drove through, you know, where they were

00:29:23.220 already getting staged on each side when I was coming downtown this morning.

00:29:26.060 There were a lot of early goers to it.

00:29:27.940 And, you know, on Fourth Avenue, I could see the counter protesters on the left.

00:29:33.160 And I recognized already a couple of the chronics.

00:29:36.060 They show up for everything.

00:29:37.460 That's their thing.

00:29:38.440 They're career protesters.

00:29:40.780 That's fine.

00:29:41.540 They're going to show up no matter what happens.

00:29:43.200 And they're going to call people things like they did with Jonathan and stuff like that.

00:29:46.440 But the parents, the Islamic people, they aren't typically out there.

00:29:52.140 And that should be more striking to people as well.

00:29:54.440 They aren't constantly protesting.

00:29:56.580 They're not experienced at it.

00:29:58.260 And it's just good that it hasn't gotten violent.

00:30:00.700 And that's a group that normally votes liberal.

00:30:03.740 And that's a section of the population that I think will not vote liberal in the next election.

00:30:08.960 And that can't be a lot.

00:30:11.380 And by the way, thumbs up to Jonathan.

00:30:14.480 We're getting out there and taking it.

00:30:18.180 It's unpleasant going amongst the people who've got that much vitriol.

00:30:22.840 Especially when you have no gelato.

00:30:25.040 Yeah, he's not getting any of the benefits today.

00:30:27.340 But, you know, and something that struck me before when the Islamic groups were protesting and getting upset with some of these school decisions was a statement from Justin Trudeau where he implied that they've been misled by conservative rhetoric.

00:30:43.580 This was a few weeks ago.

00:30:44.540 American conservative rhetoric, if you recall. 1.00

00:30:46.580 But how patronizing is basically saying they're too stupid to see through rhetoric and they've been fooled and the wool's been pulled over their eyes. 0.99

00:30:56.180 They're well aware of what they're doing, what they think, what their values are. 0.99

00:31:01.040 And to have the prime minister imply such, I mean, again, in the typical fashion of Justin Trudeau, he just poured more gas on the fire.

00:31:07.680 That was painful. Painful to watch.

00:31:10.040 Maybe that's why he's trailing by 15 points in the bulls.

00:31:12.960 People are starting to wake up.

00:31:14.280 One among many, many reasons I'm certain he's trailing.

00:31:18.700 So I'll get on to our Prime Minister for our next subject as we pivot here.

00:31:23.860 Before I do, I should remind everybody as well as to how and why we stay independent.

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00:32:10.480 Okay, getting on to Prime Minister Trudeau.

00:32:14.400 So he really kicked off the parliamentary session with quite a bombshell this week.

00:32:21.160 Dave, we've never seen an accusation like this out of the Canadian.

00:32:25.940 No, why do we let this guy go to India?

00:32:28.800 It's a fiasco every time.

00:32:31.120 Yeah, but he stood up and he did drop a bombshell.

00:32:33.540 He accused Indian agents of being behind the murder of Hardeep Singh Nijjar, who was gunned down outside a mosque in Surrey three months ago.

00:32:44.780 He blamed the government of India.

00:32:47.200 And jaws dropped in the House of Commons, and Pierre Polyev delivered an elegant response,

00:32:55.380 and Jagmeet Singh delivered an angrier response, as you would expect from Jagmeet being his seat.

00:33:03.860 But this story has got all sorts of mysterious angles to it, Corey.

00:33:13.960 Trudeau apparently went around to the Five Eyes, Australia and Great Britain and the United Kingdom,

00:33:21.600 and told them about this before he announced it publicly in Canada.

00:33:25.380 to try and get them to support, you know, Canada in the announcement and their outrage.

00:33:30.840 And they all ignored him, which is not a good sign, obviously, for Trudeau.

00:33:36.940 Nigel wrote a great column today.

00:33:38.560 He'll pontificate on why we should be careful of this.

00:33:42.240 But, yeah, the only other Canadian we can ever remember being assassinated by a foreign power

00:33:48.460 was a gentleman called Gerald Bull, who was working with Iraq to develop super long guns.

00:33:54.360 and was killed in Belgium by the Israelis in 1990.

00:33:58.960 So it's a very, very rare occurrence, Gloria.

00:34:02.540 Well, it's rare for Canadians to be involved.

00:34:05.460 I mean, I think it's sort of stock in trade

00:34:07.460 if you're dealing in Eastern Europe or South America.

00:34:10.160 But certainly this is an unusual incidence.

00:34:13.580 But, you know, the prime minister, if asked,

00:34:16.280 would probably say, well, I didn't actually accuse them.

00:34:18.960 I said there was credible allegations

00:34:22.340 with a potential link.

00:34:26.180 Okay, you have just accused them, sir.

00:34:28.720 You can't split hairs like that.

00:34:31.060 And I think the overall takeaway from this is

00:34:36.560 that if the Prime Minister of Canada has evidence

00:34:42.060 that this took place, there should be charges.

00:34:45.940 And in the absence of charges, he should shut up

00:34:49.780 because there are much bigger things going on here,

00:34:55.320 not the least of which is developing Canadian trade with India.

00:34:59.820 But in the big global picture, these people are our allies,

00:35:04.560 whether he likes it or not, whether Mr. Singh, like Jagmeet, likes it or not.

00:35:09.800 India and Canada are on the same side.

00:35:13.180 They're both democracies.

00:35:14.720 They both aspire to the same things,

00:35:16.860 and they're both worried, frankly, about the rise of China.

00:35:19.780 So if you are going to irritate your strongest allies, you better have the evidence to back it up. 0.98

00:35:29.260 This was reckless and irresponsible and frankly takes idiocy to a level that frankly in the last couple of decades only Mr. Trudeau has ever attained. 0.92

00:35:43.320 Well, you saw the scenes from the G20 in India, very cool between Prime Minister Modri and Trudeau, and it hadn't even been made public then. 0.96

00:35:56.380 But the relationship between India and Canada is now in tatters.

00:36:01.420 You remember Trudeau's first visit there when he embarrassed everybody dressing up and flouting around there.

00:36:08.680 But, you know, a Team Canada trade mission to India that was supposed to go was cancelled this week.

00:36:15.960 So that shows you some of the fallout.

00:36:18.160 And, Nigel, I'd like to ask you a question.

00:36:20.020 It must hurt because you were, as the chief speechwriter for Prime Minister Harper,

00:36:25.500 you saw how hard he worked to build that relationship with India over his decade in power.

00:36:31.280 That's now just left a smoldering pile.

00:36:33.560 Yeah, well, it's like so many other things that the Conservative government accomplished over that 10 years.

00:36:38.680 almost 10 years during which they led the country.

00:36:44.720 Obviously, when the liberals came in, they had very, very different ideas,

00:36:48.200 and piece by piece they took it apart.

00:36:51.800 But, you know, you saw some things vanish, and you thought,

00:36:56.320 well, at least sort of the major planks in what we did

00:37:00.140 are so obviously and self-evidently of worth

00:37:04.540 that they're not going to screw with that.

00:37:06.920 Well, the Indian relationship was one of those major planks.

00:37:14.300 We were marketing Canadian energy to the atomic energy to India.

00:37:21.480 We were marketing the fuel to go with it, comes from Saskatchewan.

00:37:26.620 We were trying to develop the export of grains and lentils

00:37:31.680 and all kinds of things that they were in the mood to buy.

00:37:34.560 And there was a very strong personal affection between Harper and Modi.

00:37:40.320 Like, they got on well.

00:37:41.340 They could sort of go into the room.

00:37:43.020 All the aides could just sort of sit back.

00:37:44.640 And these two would talk.

00:37:46.720 And they were on the same page.

00:37:47.300 Both economists, right?

00:37:48.240 Both economists.

00:37:49.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:50.720 But they could talk.

00:37:52.000 And like so much of what gets done at the international level, in the end, comes down to, can you get along with the other guy?

00:38:00.620 Harper and Modi got along just fine.

00:38:03.100 You see the photographs of them smiling together.

00:38:06.180 Modi came back, did a visit in Ottawa in 2015, just a few months before the election.

00:38:12.640 It was very obvious to anybody, but this was a good, strong relationship,

00:38:16.660 and trade was going to fall out of that.

00:38:19.720 It's tatters, I think you said earlier.

00:38:22.320 Tatters.

00:38:23.060 I remember one of the striking photos out of the G20, a Canadian press photographer took it.

00:38:28.180 I don't think any Canadian papers ran it.

00:38:29.940 It was Joe Biden, his finger in Trudeau's face, lecturing him.

00:38:33.620 And, you know, do we have any standing left

00:38:38.540 in the international world anymore?

00:38:40.400 Or has he completely torn it down?

00:38:42.380 You know, is he not respected anywhere?

00:38:45.840 No.

00:38:46.840 Well, I mean, certainly you've got a very similar picture

00:38:50.060 from Xi in China telling him exactly where the exits are.

00:38:56.060 So you've got the two most populous countries

00:39:00.100 in the world, China and India,

00:39:01.840 each with close to a billion and a half people.

00:39:04.720 Neither of the leaders of either of those countries

00:39:08.620 can stand the sight of Mr. Trudeau in their presence.

00:39:12.880 And I haven't seen the picture of Biden

00:39:15.240 that you're speaking of,

00:39:17.000 but it sounds like that's not going very well either.

00:39:19.300 No, I don't think so.

00:39:20.640 And to play a bit of a devil's advocate,

00:39:23.460 I mean, he's not beyond belief.

00:39:24.820 there's some very complicated politics going on in India.

00:39:28.380 It's a complicated, diverse country.

00:39:30.500 They have a Calisthenian separatist issue going on.

00:39:33.920 There's some of those battles have leaked

00:39:36.380 into other countries where the populations have moved out.

00:39:42.580 Potentially, maybe government agents had done it.

00:39:44.540 We don't know.

00:39:45.380 That's the thing is he hasn't provided any evidence,

00:39:46.980 but the thing is what they do to a country they respect.

00:39:51.300 See, that's something we're talking about as well.

00:39:53.160 It's not like Canada is a big military power and could do something.

00:39:55.600 But if we were respected, then maybe, you know, we're not going to meddle in Canada.

00:40:00.060 We'll try diplomatically dealing with this or other ways rather than if, again, that's what happened.

00:40:06.620 Okay, when I'm pouring cold water on what the prime minister has said,

00:40:09.560 I'm not discounting the fact that it's quite possible that something like this did happen.

00:40:14.320 But he has not given us any reason.

00:40:20.320 He has not shown us enough evidence to press charges,

00:40:24.360 and until he has that, he should have been quiet about it.

00:40:28.140 I think this is going to end up being a similar case to the Chinese election meddling.

00:40:32.600 I'll bet you dollars to donuts.

00:40:34.020 The Trudeau government was warned about this situation years ago

00:40:38.780 and the developing frustration with the Calistan movement

00:40:45.160 and the anger that it generates.

00:40:47.380 So I'm sure the Canadian military, or not the military, the CSIS was on top of it.

00:40:52.520 There were warnings that this guy may be a target before he was targeted.

00:40:56.900 So, you know, people could see it coming.

00:40:59.160 What we need is a special rapporteur.

00:41:00.800 Special rapporteur.

00:41:01.720 What's David Johnson doing at the moment?

00:41:03.440 Yeah, he's between jobs.

00:41:04.860 He could use a job.

00:41:05.960 I mean, I don't know if he'd gotten a specific warning about this particular man as a target,

00:41:09.500 though people knew he was certainly a character who was not in good books with India in general.

00:41:15.360 If he wasn't part of the separatist movement, he certainly flirted very heavily with them.

00:41:19.760 And I think it was kind of common knowledge he was a representative of that movement.

00:41:24.220 But he was, Trudeau was warned at least of the interference back in 2017.

00:41:28.520 I had the good fortune of having Sam Cooper on my show today.

00:41:32.420 We talked about that.

00:41:33.860 And he put that out on the Bureau, his site there.

00:41:37.400 He's been getting a lot of those CSIS documents have been coming his way.

00:41:41.480 And Trudeau was warned of that in 2017.

00:41:44.500 He was warned it's a big and growing issue in Lower Mainland B.C., that there are agents getting to work down in there, interfering with politics, and it's getting dangerous.

00:41:53.120 And there were action plans that actually Prime Minister Harper had already started the process on, and Trudeau responded to his government by basically shutting down those plans and pushing aside the warning.

00:42:05.540 And then he went off to his India trip and embarrassed us.

00:42:07.820 See, that's one more thing in the list of things that we did that they took apart.

00:42:11.640 I hadn't actually known about that one.

00:42:13.420 I hadn't either, actually, until Mr. Cooper, you know, broke it down.

00:42:17.560 There was already a process.

00:42:18.260 This was known.

00:42:19.080 This has been known for a while.

00:42:21.120 Russia has been meddling around over here, too.

00:42:23.240 I mean, this is what rogue countries kind of do.

00:42:27.100 But for Trudeau to continue to ignore the warnings of our security agencies, what's the point of these agencies?

00:42:34.560 If you're not going to take seriously when they tell you, hey, we've got a problem.

00:42:38.400 Yeah, it was certainly striking. You know, for months now, Trudeau's been trying to push the China interference under the rug and ignore it and whatnot. But then, as soon as this thing breaks, he's making statements in Parliament. You know, he's sort of handling them differently.

00:42:55.160 Well, you know, I think that he needed some sort of an alibi for the shocking performance that he left behind in India. 0.96

00:43:02.160 And at the time, it seemed like a good idea.

00:43:05.700 I have to wonder whether he still thinks it was such a good idea.

00:43:08.580 But at the time, you know, he came back, well, this is what's been going on.

00:43:12.160 That's why they hated me.

00:43:14.600 Could very well be.

00:43:16.960 He can be that trivial.

00:43:18.060 He doesn't have a good relationship with good ideas in general.

00:43:20.860 and kicking off parliament.

00:43:22.780 I mean, that's part of what kind of grates on me as well.

00:43:25.760 If this was a crisis, if this was what's going on,

00:43:28.880 if this was something worthy of announcement,

00:43:30.320 you don't need to do it there.

00:43:31.300 You can do a press conference as soon as you found out about it,

00:43:33.900 if that's what should be done.

00:43:35.520 But he made political theater of it.

00:43:37.280 He used that as an opportunity, I think,

00:43:39.780 to distract the opening of the parliamentary session

00:43:42.400 from his own incompetence on the economic file

00:43:44.640 and everything else he's touched.

00:43:47.200 No argument.

00:43:49.320 Agreed.

00:43:49.720 distressing. I mean, now he's lobbed a diplomatic turd into the punch bowl with India that it could

00:43:55.820 take multiple governments to try and mend this relationship. Yeah, these foreign leaders,

00:44:00.980 they have long memories. You know, I think it'll be a while before Mr. Trudeau goes back to India,

00:44:06.960 if ever. If ever. Yeah. Well, and it's a breach of trust, I think, on the diplomatic front in

00:44:11.920 general. I mean, diplomacy, it's a tricky, specialized, sensitive world in general. It

00:44:18.340 means that you don't necessarily like the person you're in the room dealing with or some of the

00:44:22.960 actions, but you're very careful about how you're going to publicly speak about what that other

00:44:27.680 leader is doing or what their country's actions have been. Well, you know, Corey, international

00:44:31.380 relations is not the same as retail politics. Mr. Trudeau, I give him his due, he is very good at

00:44:38.500 what we call retail politics. Walk in a room, smile, shake hands with people, say the right thing.

00:44:45.180 he can do that

00:44:47.680 I mean there are times when he's

00:44:49.820 made a mess of it but overall

00:44:51.980 that's one of his strengths

00:44:53.980 but the canniness

00:44:55.920 that goes with

00:44:57.980 the

00:44:58.300 international relations and the willingness to take

00:45:02.060 the advice of the people who do it on a full time

00:45:04.080 basis, he seems to have

00:45:05.900 real struggles with that

00:45:07.080 just the plain common sense

00:45:08.900 if you don't have the evidence

00:45:10.500 don't make

00:45:12.740 idle claims

00:45:14.440 exactly show us the evidence you know because when they say put up or shut up what are you

00:45:20.960 going to do well and other leaders are going to feel i think even less inclined to confide in

00:45:25.140 in other affairs or issues that are sensitive i mean that's part of it too if if something's

00:45:30.220 blowing up in australia and they're wanting other well i don't want to talk to that trudeau about

00:45:34.740 it we've got to deal with this carefully and i don't know what that that fellow's going to say

00:45:39.140 because he doesn't seem to be able to maintain discretion or thoughtfulness on these issues well

00:45:42.620 You can see it in the five eyes where basically Canada's being left out.

00:45:49.740 NATO had their biggest air manoeuvres in history a month or so ago in Europe,

00:45:55.360 and not a single Canadian plane was there.

00:45:58.900 The big nuclear submarine deals that have been going on between Britain and Australia and France and Australia.

00:46:06.800 Canada just gets ignored, overlooked, because they don't want to deal with Trudeau.

00:46:12.620 And it's hurting us just on so many fronts.

00:46:15.460 It's not funny anymore.

00:46:17.300 It's such a shame.

00:46:18.020 And Canada did have a good reputation.

00:46:20.120 As I've said before, punching above our weight is a smaller nation, but being wise, diplomatic, and standing in strong support of issues.

00:46:29.080 I mean, even Pearson, as a liberal, was still very respected on the world stage.

00:46:33.900 And we're a long way away from there now.

00:46:36.140 I think we're down in the lightweight flyweight division.

00:46:39.020 Can't go any lower.

00:46:39.760 Well, you know, if you're a young person, it may not be on your mind, but in 1945, when Canada came out of the Second World War, it was the fourth strongest military power in the world.

00:46:55.900 Now, I grant you that some of the really strong ones have just been defeated and taken off the chessboard.

00:47:01.880 But Great Britain, the United States, the Soviet Union, then Canada.

00:47:06.920 Hundred ship navy, more aircraft than we've ever had since.

00:47:12.300 A million people out of a population of 11 million put on uniform.

00:47:18.000 It was an incredible effort.

00:47:19.820 And, of course, the battle honors, when you look through them, they remain today.

00:47:26.840 And it's just such an area of endeavor that this government doesn't even care about, never mind make an effort at.

00:47:40.760 All they're worried about is using the armed forces as a place where they can do social experiments.

00:47:46.320 Soldiers can wear their hair long, paint their nails,

00:47:48.880 come to cross-dress if that's what pleases them.

00:47:52.320 And you know the good guys are getting out, and what's going to be left?

00:47:56.740 Is there any wonder there are thousands of soldiers short of what they need?

00:48:00.900 Well, I mean, Linda, our columnist Linda Sabote,

00:48:03.160 and our friend and colleague Linda put out a column about two weeks ago

00:48:06.640 saying, don't believe the government messaging the actual number of troops

00:48:12.180 out of an establishment of 68,000 is more like about 34.

00:48:15.680 And it's going down to 30 by Christmas.

00:48:18.620 And this is what she got from sources that she couldn't disclose.

00:48:22.100 It's a good thing the world is so calm now and there's no, you know, no chance of fighting anywhere at the moment. 0.97

00:48:28.760 Damn it, you know, you get me on the show and you get me all riled up and I get angry. 0.95

00:48:32.380 And then I go and write columns, you know, is this just a trick? 0.99

00:48:35.720 Well, I have my show to vent it out of my own and give it to my sister.

00:48:40.580 Oh, well, I'm sure we're still a strong and great nation in many ways.

00:48:44.780 we are we can't forget we're in a rough spot period and we will get past it even if it does

00:48:50.620 feel interminable right now so that's all the time we've got today thank you very much dave

00:48:56.380 nigel good fun though blood pressure raising conversation and we'll do it all again next

00:49:04.940 week at this time so thanks for joining us everybody out there and we'll see you then

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Western Standard - September 21, 2023

The Pipeline： Trudeau’s shocking Indian Allegations

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