Western Standard - October 18, 2023


The Pipeline: Trying to find the truth in the Israel⧸Gaza conflict.


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48 minutes

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203.80865

Word Count

9,889

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658

Misogynist Sentences

9

Hate Speech Sentences

10


Summary

In this week's show, we discuss the latest in the Israel-Gaza conflict, the lack of support for Israel in the media, and what we would like to see the government do about it. Also, we have a bit of a shake-up on the panel this week, with Sean Polzer filling in for Dave, Nigel, and Derek.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Good evening, I'm Corey Morgan and this is The Pipeline. This is the Western Standards
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00:02:05.840 own rights. Okay. We got a bit of a different panel shakeup today, but with some standard names
00:02:10.580 you would have seen in your stories and articles through the months and even now getting past the
00:02:15.700 year and some with Jonathan here. So I'll start on the end there. We got our reporter, Jonathan
00:02:20.800 Bradley. Welcome to the show today. Thank you, Corey. It's been a while since I've been on here.
00:02:24.280 Yeah, it's been a bit. So you're overdue. And we got it totally, yeah, messed up. Eventually,
00:02:28.220 I'm going to get back in my chair over in the end. It's been a while now. And we've got Sean Polzer
00:02:33.100 here in the middle. Thank you very much. Filling in for, well, we got Dave, Nigel, Derek, all
00:02:39.020 in different forms of inability to come in right now. So they're all getting better. We'll have a
00:02:46.540 normal lineup coming again, but it's fine. You know, people don't see the same faces all the
00:02:49.640 time. I know they get tired of mine. I've been the consistent one all the way through here, but
00:02:53.220 glad you guys could pretty it up a little on the end there. All right, enough of that. Well,
00:02:58.800 let's start. I mean, again, the top story of the week, and it's probably going to be the top
00:03:02.360 story of the year is the Israel-Gaza conflict. And I mean, it's horrific. It's just in its
00:03:09.880 early stages. Unfortunately, I hate to say it. We're seeing a lot of awful imagery. And
00:03:15.260 what I want to talk about, though, is also the, I guess, the miscommunication, the accuracy
00:03:20.040 in reporting. Jonathan, as a reporter watching this, you know, I'll get your views on what you're
00:03:27.500 seeing in the reporting and coverage of this event as it's coming out.
00:03:30.520 Well, one thing that I've noticed in particular is how many people are justifying Hamas's actions
00:03:36.220 as acceptable. Like I did a story, I think it was last Thursday, about the York University
00:03:43.300 student unions coming together and putting out a statement saying that Hamas's terrorism is
00:03:49.080 justified and that they said that Hamas's terrorist attack is all about colonialism. And what I found
00:03:54.540 particularly funny about these comments was the president of the Graduate Students Union
00:04:01.560 who signed on to the statement is non-binary. I'm not too sure if she, if they know what happens
00:04:07.000 to non-binary people in Palestine. But I mean, it was, you know, I had a chuckle about that.
00:04:11.620 But even some public figures like the QP Ontario president has spoken out in support of Palestine
00:04:18.180 and justified Hamas's actions. So it is, it has been a bit troubling, to say the least.
00:04:24.080 Yeah, well, getting on to the media and Sean, like, we see some of the race. I mean, we could
00:04:28.980 be guilty of it, too. I mean, it's a bit of the digital world, too. Everybody wants to be on
00:04:32.540 the story first. They want to be the ones who hit that story out there. They might not have a reporter
00:04:37.860 on the ground over there. So they're relying on Twitter and X as much as anybody or following
00:04:42.280 accounts or press releases. But I mean, we've seen some recent really, I think, jumping the gun on some,
00:04:47.100 some big incidents that have happened. And, you know, it causes damage when that happens.
00:04:52.740 Yeah, absolutely. You know, they say that truth is the first casualty of war. And we had an example
00:04:58.360 of that yesterday with the so-called hospital bombing, which in itself is an awful, horrible
00:05:06.100 thing. You know, 500 people getting killed in a hospital where they're supposed to be safe.
00:05:10.160 And exactly what you said, Corey. So it flashed out on Twitter. And there's a lot of pressure to get
00:05:15.880 out there with the story and be first with it, maybe before all the facts are even known.
00:05:21.140 You know, and then it come out maybe half an hour later that, you know, chances are this could have
00:05:27.360 been a friendly fire incident. And, you know, and then there again, those videos were put out on
00:05:32.260 Twitter, released by the IDF. I would imagine that they would have had to have been vetted on the
00:05:36.000 other end before they would take such a step to actually do that and maybe kind of cross-verify it.
00:05:41.160 But, yeah, the, you know, the narrative kind of gets a little hazy in the fog of war, as they say.
00:05:50.460 Yeah, well, the media world should know better, I would think. Well, who knows?
00:05:53.960 We should know better. But I mean, you know, an IDF for people unfamiliar with the Israel Defense
00:05:58.860 Forces. And I mean, I wouldn't put it beyond the IDF to put out BS. It's a war. They're going to do
00:06:04.760 propaganda on their end as well. I mean, what I found kind of striking when this happened, though,
00:06:09.260 when it was breaking out was Hamas. I mean, that was, they said it was the Hamas Health
00:06:14.180 Authority. Well, yeah, or the Gaza Health Authority. Yeah, that's Hamas. Hamas governs
00:06:18.320 that area. Put it out and they had numbers that were just, wow, this is a half and half an hour
00:06:22.860 ago. And, you know, there's 562 people dead. And it was this and this. I mean, there are already
00:06:26.480 some alarm bells. I mean, these guys could barely count, you know, what's going on on a street.
00:06:32.140 How do they have these precise numbers? Meanwhile, Israel and IDF were saying, well, we aren't
00:06:36.020 going to respond to this. We've got to research and check into some things first, because we're
00:06:40.160 not quite sure what happened. It just gives me more of a sense of trust with the one who's
00:06:43.960 willing to admit we don't know what happened yet than the ones who came out with such a.
00:06:48.380 Yeah, that's true. But, you know, our news editor, Dave Naylor called us over, you know,
00:06:53.820 to around his desk and asked, you know, should we be posting, you know, reposting these videos
00:07:00.100 that have been coming up on Twitter? And, you know, I'm not a war correspondent. I've never covered
00:07:04.820 a war, you know, but I've been to a couple of riots, Stanley Cup riots here in this country.
00:07:11.200 And when you saw the pictures of all the bodies laying around, like my first thought was like,
00:07:15.500 oh my God, like, because I was thinking that too, you know, how can you come up with 500?
00:07:18.800 But, I mean, there was definitely, you know, dozens, hundreds of, you know, whatever you want
00:07:27.120 to call them, casualties. I don't even know if they were dead bodies or not.
00:07:28.960 It was tragic no matter who did it.
00:07:30.800 I don't even know if they were actually laying down there on the ground, you know, maybe it could have
00:07:34.220 been states, but, you know, it didn't kind of seem like that. You know, you have to think
00:07:39.280 that there definitely was an incident and it was definitely tragic in any event, whoever
00:07:44.240 was responsible for it.
00:07:45.640 Yeah.
00:07:46.020 But, you know, and it's kind of like, you make the point too, you know, Hamas is the
00:07:50.440 civic government there. So they would be running the health authority and they would be running
00:07:53.960 the hospital. And it seems a little disingenuous that, you know, that they would want to fire
00:07:58.160 on their own people. Right. So, you know, now they're saying it was some kind of a splinter group.
00:08:03.220 Well, and the report also is that it sounds like maybe they were launching a missile that
00:08:08.380 was intended to go to Israel and hit innocent people there instead, but it broke up and then
00:08:13.680 crashed on the hospital accidentally.
00:08:15.280 So we get into this moral equivalent argument, you know, is it better or worse to kill other
00:08:19.540 people or, you know.
00:08:20.280 Yeah. But I mean, we're in this age of instant news, you know, and Jonathan, you're kind of
00:08:25.840 younger among us and you're more used to it. Like it's the age of the iPhone. As you mentioned,
00:08:30.640 you know, we used to see things in the past where perhaps there were staging of incidents
00:08:33.560 and things going on, but I don't think they could get away with that now because there'd
00:08:36.900 be a hundred other people who would have other pictures. They've been taking with their
00:08:39.180 cameras saying quite to the contrary and showing that. So I suspect, unfortunately,
00:08:42.740 those images of bodies were real and it's awful, no matter who did it.
00:08:47.160 Yes.
00:08:48.180 But I mean, how do you respond? I mean, what would Dave say, though, if you wrote a story
00:08:51.240 just based on a few Twitter videos and things you shot and you put it up there on the website?
00:08:56.680 Well, Dave wouldn't be too happy about that. But I mean, we saw yesterday with the story
00:09:00.440 about the Gaza hospital where all the media were jumping on it saying that, oh, this was
00:09:07.320 an Israeli defense force missile that struck the hospital, but it took, it was a few hours later
00:09:13.260 when it came out that, no, it was a Hamas missile that didn't have enough range that ended up
00:09:18.960 striking the hospital. What was interesting to see was Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and
00:09:23.880 D.P. Eder Jagmeet Singh justified their comments saying, like put out tweets saying, oh, this is
00:09:30.320 like a war crime and all that. But one of the information came up, they didn't back it up and
00:09:35.580 say, you know, I was wrong. Sorry about that. You know, this is like Hamas who did it. So
00:09:39.540 it's been the last few weeks have been interesting when it comes to the story.
00:09:43.120 Yeah. Well, and from from media, you know, I guess zeal and going out there trying to be
00:09:48.380 first and sometimes misreporting things or not getting all the facts out when they should
00:09:52.040 have hung on. The other worry we have is media bias, which is there. There's opinion
00:09:56.760 guys like me. I mean, my calls are pretty boring if I don't put my opinion into them. But
00:09:59.920 news copy, a lot of people get mixed up with that online. Fair enough. You know, you realize
00:10:03.400 there's a big difference between a reporter and a columnist. And you really don't want
00:10:06.960 to see that opinion flowing through from a reporter. You don't want to see a columnist
00:10:11.300 trying to write news copy. I mean, if there was a news story written by Corey Mark, it was
00:10:14.200 like, I got a view on everything. His news, he can't believe his stuff like this. There's
00:10:18.380 differences. CBC. Now, you know, I mean, I say ostensibly can his biggest news organization
00:10:23.180 thanks to the billion and some a year they get. But that's one thing that gets me. So that
00:10:28.640 orders come down and they won't explain themselves on it. But they refuse to call Hamas terrorists.
00:10:33.640 They're not allowed to call it. I mean, CBC reporters and staff are not allowed to use
00:10:36.460 the word terrorist for Hamas. And this isn't an opinion. This is a group that's been registered
00:10:41.860 as a terrorist group within Canada for years. What do we make of that? What rationale would
00:10:49.360 you think the CBC would have and telling them not to refer to it in that case, I thought it
00:10:53.640 was a little bit confusing because you have the prime minister in question period explicitly
00:10:59.640 referring to Hamas as a terrorist organization. As you said, they are legally designated terrorist
00:11:05.640 organization in this country and in a lot of other countries in the U.S. and even all
00:11:10.460 through Europe. But yeah, you've definitely got this. It almost seems to be kind of an abundance
00:11:16.900 of caution. You know, I was saying back, you know, because these wars seem to pop up fairly
00:11:23.900 regularly and they seem to run a fairly kind of common script. You know, when we were back
00:11:28.900 at Post Media at the Calgary Herald, we had a company-wide memo came up from Izzy Asper himself
00:11:34.900 that said that we were absolutely not to refer to Palestinians. Mind you, he had a broader,
00:11:42.900 slightly broader brush because they were in the West Bank as well. Palestinians are the Palestinian
00:11:46.900 authorities as freedom fighters because Reuters had been putting that in their copy. So, you know,
00:11:52.900 this isn't a new thing and it comes up fairly regularly, fairly periodically and too regularly.
00:12:00.900 In fact, I, I, you know, you can, everybody has sides, but I mean, you know, war is just, is a tragedy.
00:12:10.900 It's a breakdown in communication, the ultimate breakdown in communication. And at the end of the day,
00:12:16.900 I think you have to take steps to stop it. Yeah. Well, and there are, it's, it's a confusing, nuanced mess over there too.
00:12:25.900 Like for, in fairness, you don't want to call every Palestinian a terrorist. Hamas are the terrorists.
00:12:32.900 Yes. Hamas came from Gaza and, and, and, and as with Hezbollah up in Lebanon and in the West Bank,
00:12:38.900 but it doesn't mean all of the Palestinians necessarily are members of such and thus are terrorists.
00:12:43.900 So you can over apply the term terrorist, but in some areas they, they, they, they pretty well earned the title.
00:12:50.900 Oh, we should, we should be able to apply it to them.
00:12:53.900 I would think so in this case, for sure.
00:12:55.900 When you have, when you have people, you know, bombing music festivals, killing people, beheading, beheading and maiming children.
00:13:04.900 What else can you call them? They're terrorists.
00:13:06.900 Well, that's it. And again, you know, picking on you and the youth.
00:13:09.900 It's nice having somebody younger in here because you've got a new perspective.
00:13:12.900 Uh, uh, you know, we've sat through the past infantadas and, and seen this.
00:13:18.900 This is just a, a record that just seems to be on skip.
00:13:21.900 You know, this is the first Middle Eastern blowout that you're seeing, Jonathan.
00:13:24.900 Uh, some of the one in 2021 or was one two years ago.
00:13:29.900 Not quite like this though, I, you know, to the scale of it.
00:13:33.900 I mean, they were getting to the Gulf Wars or the 2006.
00:13:37.900 Was it when, uh, Lebanon and Israel really went at it heavily with Hezbollah.
00:13:43.900 But, uh, it's new eyes on a, as people keep saying some of them too, it's just going to go on forever.
00:13:50.900 I mean, people get cynical about it.
00:13:52.900 And then it's, when you can't see a solution, maybe younger eyes on your own, you can see a way out.
00:13:59.900 Cause, cause nobody else has been able to manage this since, uh, you know, 67.
00:14:04.900 Um, well, and I think also what's changed too, is what you said about the immediacy of it.
00:14:09.900 You've got all these, uh, citizen journalists running around with their iPhones,
00:14:13.900 assuming that they can get them charged without any electricity.
00:14:16.900 And, you know, running around and uploading a cell count video.
00:14:19.900 So yeah, you'd think that, uh, you know, on the one hand, uh, it's very unfiltered.
00:14:26.900 It's happening almost in real time.
00:14:28.900 But then on the other hand, it would be pretty tough to, uh, try to stage something or try to, uh, you know what I mean?
00:14:35.900 Like something that you would get exposed as being fake.
00:14:38.900 You'd get a lot more corroboration, kind of indirect corroboration, maybe not officially, but definitely indirectly for sure.
00:14:44.900 Well, we're going to see the conspiracy theorists coming on no matter what comes up.
00:14:47.900 People are going to say that video was a deep thing.
00:14:49.900 That was, uh, you know, that didn't really happen that.
00:14:53.900 And you know what?
00:14:54.900 Maybe it could have been.
00:14:55.900 I mean, it's, we, we, we had this seminar recently on AI and things.
00:14:58.900 I mean, the stuff that can be created now.
00:15:00.900 Of course.
00:15:01.900 I'm leaving it on you, Jonathan.
00:15:02.900 You've got to be able to cut through the BS.
00:15:06.900 We, we didn't have this sort of thing to deal with.
00:15:08.900 I mean, I haven't heard Alex Jones spouse any crazy conspiracy theories yet.
00:15:12.900 So we'll see.
00:15:13.900 Sell some vitamins.
00:15:15.900 Oh, he'll be on it.
00:15:18.900 I'm sure.
00:15:19.900 Uh, so I mean, since we've got our, our energy and business, uh, experts in here, Sean.
00:15:24.900 So with the world energy markets, I mean, we got another middle East war going on.
00:15:28.900 We're going to go for a while.
00:15:30.900 We're already seeing a little bit of, uh, pressure on the markets, but what do you anticipate?
00:15:36.900 What are we looking at here?
00:15:37.900 Well, you know, uh, OPEC is a lot less unified than say it was, uh, in 1973 or in 1967 when
00:15:45.900 they had, uh, you know, the big, uh, previous oil shocks.
00:15:48.900 Uh, Saudi Arabia is extremely conscious of it.
00:15:51.900 Um, from my reading of it.
00:15:55.900 So the deal political factors that are at play are probably, uh, more of a reason for
00:16:00.900 this kind of outbreak, uh, than anything.
00:16:03.900 You know, uh, Israel was supposed to announce a deal with the Saudis, which was going to include,
00:16:09.900 uh, an oil component along with, uh, an arms pact, uh, with the United States.
00:16:14.900 And I'm sure that there's parties in, in both Hamas and probably within Israel itself that
00:16:20.900 were against that specifically.
00:16:23.900 But you've also seen, uh, kind of a split between OPEC members that have, uh, condemned,
00:16:28.900 you know, the attacks and other ones like, uh, Qatar, Qatar, Qatar, I'm not exactly sure
00:16:34.900 how to say it.
00:16:35.900 It has to be you and it just a mess.
00:16:37.900 Major natural gas suppliers.
00:16:38.900 So, uh, instead of an oil embargo this time, they've threatened to cut off, uh, LNG to
00:16:42.900 Europe because, uh, they are staunchly in favor of, uh, the Palestinians.
00:16:47.900 Uh, the Saudis have kind of tried to stay out of it.
00:16:50.900 Iran, world's fourth largest oil producer.
00:16:52.900 They're calling for an oil embargo.
00:16:54.900 Um, and they're also inextricably wrapped up in this because nobody knows their exact
00:16:59.900 role.
00:17:00.900 And you have to think that, uh, Biden's parked, uh, two aircraft carriers out in the
00:17:04.900 Mediterranean and the third one in the Persian Gulf basically just to see what they are going
00:17:08.900 to do.
00:17:09.900 I believe the UK moved one out that way too.
00:17:11.900 So, you know, you've got a lot of firepower, uh, sitting in there and everybody's just
00:17:15.900 kind of got trigger freighters and not really sure what's going to happen.
00:17:19.900 The stuff that's happening on the grounds is, you know, it's actually restricted to a
00:17:22.900 fairly smaller area.
00:17:23.900 Well, I like to think most people that that's what their intent is to keep it contained.
00:17:26.900 Then they don't want to, you know, those ships are out there as a warning, hopefully
00:17:29.900 more than a preparation to start getting active, I hope.
00:17:33.900 But that's kind of a new wrinkle that we haven't seen in these past conflicts.
00:17:36.900 You wouldn't see major powers all of a sudden start mobilizing some pretty serious, uh,
00:17:42.900 you know, firepower.
00:17:43.900 And this fast.
00:17:44.900 This fast.
00:17:45.900 Yeah.
00:17:46.900 I mean, if it, if it breaks out out there, I mean, people forget how much, how much oil
00:17:52.900 Iran really supplies.
00:17:53.900 Well, and it all comes to the Straits of Hormuz too.
00:17:56.900 So, you know, there's an argument to be made that maybe the, the reason that they're
00:18:00.900 there is to try to keep those shipping lanes open and maybe try to calm the markets so that
00:18:04.900 you don't have a big price spike.
00:18:06.900 You know, that said on the hospital bombings, oil was up again, almost $2 before it's pulling
00:18:13.900 back.
00:18:14.900 But, you know, we're getting in closer and closer to that $100 mark.
00:18:17.900 And, uh, I think that's going to be kind of the tipping point.
00:18:21.900 Uh, kind of psychological.
00:18:23.900 Psychological.
00:18:24.900 It's going to be a three figure per barrel, uh, price of like maybe now this is getting
00:18:28.900 serious.
00:18:29.900 Yeah.
00:18:30.900 And I mean, I know it sounds crass when there's so much human loss, you know, going on and
00:18:34.900 everything.
00:18:35.900 So look at the, how it impacts the economic markets, but it's a part of it.
00:18:37.900 And it's a determining factor in a lot of the actions of countries, whether we like it
00:18:40.900 or not.
00:18:41.900 Absolutely.
00:18:42.900 I mean, the reason Iran still exists, I think, is also the fact that they have so much control
00:18:47.900 of resources over there.
00:18:48.900 If it was another rogue Islamic state, uh, performing, uh, they probably would have been
00:18:52.900 invaded, uh, like Afghanistan long ago.
00:18:54.900 Oh, absolutely.
00:18:56.900 Well, we'll just keep watching.
00:18:58.900 I mean, as of this recording, we're looking at, uh, Israel's potentially getting ready.
00:19:02.900 It looks like to go in on the ground and, and start, uh, trying to root out Hamas members.
00:19:07.900 Uh, you know, as I said, online, it's talking about sorting out fly poop from the pepper.
00:19:11.900 You've got a couple million people there and, and maybe 10, 20,000 Hamas members and how
00:19:16.900 you, it's going to be bloody and it's going to be ugly.
00:19:18.900 Well, and they're underground.
00:19:19.900 I mean, we knew that from the last one, they kept on popping up out of the tunnels and stuff.
00:19:23.900 Yeah.
00:19:24.900 So, I mean, really they're going to have to clear all of, uh, you know, Gaza city first,
00:19:29.900 and then they're going to have to go underground and basically root them out one by one.
00:19:32.900 And it's going to be a messy operation.
00:19:34.900 I'm sure that there's going to be very high casualties on both sides.
00:19:37.900 Yeah.
00:19:38.900 And it's going to take a while.
00:19:39.900 Well, we'll keep watching and reporting on it and sharing our views how we can.
00:19:43.900 Let's move a little closer to home, I guess.
00:19:45.900 Uh, the United conservative party, they're going to have their first AGM since, uh, Premier
00:19:49.900 Smith got elected.
00:19:50.900 So this will be kind of one that's establishing the flavor of the party under her later leadership,
00:19:55.900 though it's supposed to be member driven, not leader driven.
00:19:57.900 I understand the difference, but you know, those overlap a lot.
00:20:01.900 Um, and there's going to be a lot of policy motions.
00:20:04.900 So Jonathan, you're, you're going to be covering this and watching this, and you've been looking
00:20:07.900 through the list of things that, uh, they're looking to examine, uh, in a couple of weeks.
00:20:12.900 What do you got?
00:20:13.900 Well, I'd say with these policy motions, many of them are more so culture warrior type policies.
00:20:19.900 Whereas when you saw with the conservative convention, uh, last month, it was mainly, well, there
00:20:25.900 was a good portion that were like, you know, economic policies related to that type of stuff.
00:20:28.900 This one is really culture warrior type issues.
00:20:32.900 Um, the three big ones that I think will be people should watch is there's one about the just transition
00:20:38.900 and using the Alberta sovereignty act to respond to it.
00:20:41.900 Um, the second one that I think is going to be contentious is the pronoun policy.
00:20:47.900 So it would be similar to New Brunswick and Saskatchewan and what they've been doing, where they require parental consent for students under 16 years old to change pronouns.
00:20:55.900 And the third one is about 15 minutes cities and restricting land use developments to try to mitigate them.
00:21:03.900 Yeah.
00:21:04.900 So, I mean, I'll start just kind of, you know, it was being a political weenie for a long time.
00:21:09.900 I was in VP policy for the wild roses.
00:21:11.900 I put the newsroom, I got to deal with some, some really colorful and interesting, uh, policy proposals.
00:21:18.900 As I was mentioning, one was put in it.
00:21:20.900 Yeah.
00:21:21.900 We're going to illegalize the Illuminati because they're controlling everybody's minds.
00:21:24.900 I didn't let that one get to the floor, you know, but there's the hard thing with a grassroots organization.
00:21:30.900 You shouldn't have an executive member stopping any policies getting through, but you've got to try and limit the insanity at the same time.
00:21:38.900 But I mean, people should also understand that just because a policy has hit the floor at an AGM, or even if it's accepted by the members of AGM, it doesn't mean it's going to be actually brought into force by the elected members later.
00:21:51.900 Though it's an indicator.
00:21:52.900 I mean, it's fun media fodder.
00:21:54.900 Like, you know, I know you probably played with this.
00:21:56.900 I, when the NDP comes out and they get their socialist wing, puts in some crackpot stuff in their conventions, you know what, I twist the knife on it and I bug them.
00:22:04.900 But I know realistically, the leadership of the NDP, Rachel Notley, isn't going to bring those extreme policies forward.
00:22:10.900 Uh, we're going to see some, some serious, I think, uh, games played with some of these, you know, like the 15 minute cities things.
00:22:18.900 I imagine we're going to be seeing people painting the UCP as conspiracy theorists.
00:22:21.900 Yeah, I, you know, I would agree.
00:22:23.900 It's, but at the same time, I think, um, I'm not a party leader, but it would seem to be important to give voice to, you know, the grassroots and the membership.
00:22:33.900 Um, you know, somebody who struggled with this a lot while he was premier was actually Ralph Klein, because Ralph Klein, you know, he's fairly socially liberal.
00:22:41.900 Um, you know, so he had the fiscal, uh, Hawks all on board, but every time they went to a policy convention, there was always some kind of, you know,
00:22:48.900 a resolution about, uh, you know, gay marriage or something that, that would come up, uh, you know, that he obviously was not interested in.
00:22:56.900 But, you know, at the same time had to kind of pay lip service, you know, to bring them out.
00:23:01.900 And I'm, and I think Smith since premier Smith, since she's been elected, you know, most of the focus has been on these economic issues, you know, electricity, energy, um, constitutional turf wars with Ottawa.
00:23:16.900 And, you know, what's been sitting in the back is like you said, the, you know, the grassroots of the party that, uh, well, put her in there because they're the ones that, you know, got rid of former premier Kenny.
00:23:28.900 And you have experience with wild rose and, you know, Danielle was the leader of them, you know, for quite a while.
00:23:35.900 And she had her own issues with the, you know, with the membership and trying to balance, you know, like you said, you can't ignore them.
00:23:41.900 I mean, you know, and I don't want to dismiss, I was just saying they don't have to follow what comes out of these conventions, but they should feel guided somewhat.
00:23:48.900 I mean, this is where you get a measure of your membership, the ones who are paying your donations, knocking on your doors for you and presumably keeping you in.
00:23:55.900 Uh, so it's, it's a balancing act.
00:23:58.900 Uh, when you went through them, Jonathan, did you see, cause there's always the, the, the turd in the punch bowl that hits every time.
00:24:06.900 Was the abortion thrown in there anywhere?
00:24:08.900 I didn't see anything about that, but I saw one about medical assistance in dying and wanting to add in safeguards to that.
00:24:15.900 Um, but shifting back to the crackpot ones, like there were a few where I was just like, why is this being debated at a convention?
00:24:21.900 Like there was one about, uh, electronic voting machines, something like that.
00:24:26.900 We haven't really seen an issue with that in Canada, but it's mainly, uh, an American one.
00:24:30.900 And then there was another one about wanting to add like a second part to the charter where they want to include things like gun rights and rights against excess taxation, rights to healthcare and all that.
00:24:40.900 It was, I've kind of found that odd.
00:24:42.900 I'm like, like usually when it comes to like these constitutional type issues, you usually don't talk about them at a convention.
00:24:47.900 Um, but shifting to, uh, people paying the UCP as conspiracy theorists.
00:24:52.900 I saw Gil McGowan having one of his typical meltdowns saying that the crazy train has arrived and that there's.
00:24:58.900 He's wanting to talk.
00:24:59.900 Yeah.
00:25:00.900 Well, and they are going to do fodder with it.
00:25:05.900 The other part that comes at these AGMs is when the policy debates come and people come up and get that microphone as proponents or all opponents and speak.
00:25:15.900 And again, most people are rational and they're fine, but once in a while, you'll get somebody pop out and you know, there there's again, the age of the iPhone, no statement is going to go unrecorded.
00:25:25.900 Well, of course.
00:25:26.900 And even with, uh, like at the conservative convention, there were a few motions that when they, after they came out, you know, liberal MPs and NDP MPs, which, and even like, you know, social justice type people were coming out of a woodwork and jumping at the conservatives being like, how dare they pass this policy.
00:25:42.900 So I'm sure we're definitely going to see some fallout from whether or not certain policies are adopted in the following days after that.
00:25:49.900 Yeah.
00:25:50.900 Well, it'll be something to be watching, you know, again, as I said, this is going to be, this is more of a, you know, it's not a midterm AGM or something like that.
00:25:58.900 Like this is the one that is her first is the leader really.
00:26:03.900 And, and, uh, you know, it's, I mean, speaking from a business perspective, I think businesses, companies, they want to see some feelings of stability, right?
00:26:10.900 They need some, some, that's what businesses always like to see is, is just.
00:26:14.900 Well, and she's been out front center.
00:26:16.900 Like, you know, they were talking, uh, the first hundred days, uh, you know, she was elected on the policy of, uh, you know, the corporate taxes and a lot of these, uh, social kind of issues have seemed to be taking it back.
00:26:29.900 See, I, I, at the press conference last week, somebody asked her about the pronouns and, um, premier Smith gave an answer about, uh, you know,
00:26:39.900 being a grassroots party and being in tune with the views of the grassroots.
00:26:43.900 But, uh, she's also been pretty plain in the past on her own personal, uh, views with, you know, she's libertarian.
00:26:50.900 She's, um, pro rights or whatever, you know, she's pro grade marriage.
00:26:58.900 I mean, that's, she always has been, she always has been like, that's never been a secret.
00:27:02.900 So, and, uh, I think she's probably personally a little bit reluctant to bring up some of these issues at, uh, AGM.
00:27:08.900 You know, we haven't talked about it yet, but I, I think that's the reason why, um, they're pushing the, you know, referendum and the, you know, reopening the idea of a provincial police force, because these were kind of like the signature issues that were brought up in the leadership campaign.
00:27:24.900 Well, that's, that's a good point.
00:27:26.900 I mean, if you can constantly just keep on top of the agenda and keep the conversation points, as much as people are trying to pull it over to the other issues, it's a little harder when, Hey, we're, we're busy.
00:27:35.900 We're now the, uh, pension plan or, or, or, you know, we're doing what we said we would do.
00:27:40.900 But I mean, so, I mean, they also still do have to, uh, take the social conservative seriously.
00:27:47.900 I mean, uh, we saw with, uh, uh, take back Alberta.
00:27:51.900 I mean, they, they've been very active.
00:27:53.900 They've, they've, you know, David Parker's outspoken unapologetically, socially conservative, uh, makes no bones about it.
00:28:00.900 We will rip leaders out.
00:28:01.900 If you don't, you know, fill the line and he knows how to use the tools for it.
00:28:04.900 You know, you get into the constituency associations, get in on the provincial executive.
00:28:08.900 That's another battle that's coming up is, is the provincial executive.
00:28:12.900 Have you, have you looked at many of the people running for that, Jonathan?
00:28:14.900 I know that, uh, take back Alberta controls half of the board right now, and they're looking to take over the, the other half, whether or not that's the case.
00:28:21.900 I'm not too sure.
00:28:22.900 Um, I haven't really seen too much action online about that, but I think the main issue with this AGM is some of the policy motions that are put forward.
00:28:31.900 And I would just like to add, I would, I would agree with that because, um, you know, it's easy to have.
00:28:37.900 You know, it's easy to have a unified party when everything is going well, you know, like, like they have been, you know, uh, Premier Smith's been in a bit of a honeymoon, honeymoon period with voters.
00:28:46.900 And, you know, she's getting a lot of support from people who, you know, are pleasantly surprised.
00:28:51.900 Even people that were her detractors originally are saying that she's doing a good job.
00:28:56.900 So it's easy to have a unified party when, uh, everybody's all on the same page, but you don't have to look very far back, uh, you know, uh, to, uh, Jason Kenney and what happens when, you know, that facade starts to crack and it comes out from underneath your feet.
00:29:13.900 And a lot of people did say before the election that keeping that party together was going to be probably the toughest challenge that Premier Smith has in her mandate and her term.
00:29:24.900 Well, she certainly learned hard lessons about that, uh, you know, in her Wildrose time and then with caucus splitting on her and a number of things.
00:29:31.900 I mean, I was on the provincial executive with the Wildrose while she was the leader of the party.
00:29:36.400 And for people who don't directly get involved in politics might not understand that separation.
00:29:39.900 The provincial executive runs the mechanics of the party, right?
00:29:42.900 They run the policy formulation.
00:29:44.900 They run the constituency associations.
00:29:46.900 They're there to prepare for the election, but they're a separate authority from caucus and leader.
00:29:51.900 And sometimes people don't understand.
00:29:53.900 And the leaders got a juggle between the two.
00:29:55.900 Well, and it's vital too, right?
00:29:57.900 Like, um, you know, the ground, uh, the ground game is what wins elections as much as policy.
00:30:03.900 And, and I, I will see.
00:30:05.900 I mean, Danielle Smith, I think she's really reinvented herself.
00:30:08.900 Really reinvented herself from somebody who hit the political bottom so hard.
00:30:12.900 Uh, I imagine she's learned a lot of things and thought on a lot of things.
00:30:15.900 I know why we had some horrific battles when I was in the executive with the leader of the party.
00:30:20.900 I won't detail those maybe until I write a book when her political career is done.
00:30:25.900 When the names of the innocents are insane.
00:30:28.900 Nothing terribly scandalous, but there was a lot of heads butting.
00:30:31.900 I mean, they're, they're in the same team, but at the same time, they each tries, you know, the leader sometimes tries to usurp a little onto the provincial.
00:30:37.900 Executive or the executive tries to push in and direct caucus and neither should be doing so.
00:30:43.900 But it happens.
00:30:44.900 And that's what can really lead to some rifts and stress and problems.
00:30:49.900 Well, you know, I would say, I don't mean to preempt or interrupt, but I've thought Premier Smith has done a really good job of bringing in her political leadership rivals into the cabinet.
00:30:59.900 You know, I was kind of out of it for a little while, so I wasn't too attuned.
00:31:03.900 But, you know, having to deal with some of these people on a daily basis, you know, Rebecca Schultz, Brian Jean, who's the agency.
00:31:11.900 Rajat Sani.
00:31:12.900 Rajat Sani.
00:31:13.900 And she's, she's taken all those people in.
00:31:15.900 I mean, they had some pretty harsh things to say during the, during the leadership campaign.
00:31:20.900 And, and she's kind of seem to have managed to pull them together as a team.
00:31:24.900 So.
00:31:25.900 And that's the caucus level and then in cabinet, which is important, very important.
00:31:29.900 And that's where I think she had her biggest problems prior, when in opposition.
00:31:33.900 Now the next potential nest of Hornets is the party structure,
00:31:38.920 which, Jonathan, you'll be going on the floor and sniffing around
00:31:41.820 to see what members' views are.
00:31:43.380 Oh, of course, yeah, and I'll definitely be looking to speak
00:31:45.740 to the big players before, during, and after.
00:31:49.800 Yeah, and I mean, this is where, it's at these AGMs, too,
00:31:52.920 where the advocacy groups start coming up,
00:31:55.160 whether you like them or don't like them.
00:31:58.060 Some of the best areas, if you want to get candid views,
00:32:00.040 go to the hospitality suites when some of these advocates
00:32:02.360 get a few beers into them.
00:32:03.900 And I promise you, you'll find some interesting stuff.
00:32:08.860 I'm sure.
00:32:10.460 But that's the risks of these AGMs as well.
00:32:14.900 I mean, you're going to have, whether it's the parents' union
00:32:17.940 or pro-life associations or pro-business ones that are getting a little too bold
00:32:22.120 and thinking how much sway they have with the party as well.
00:32:26.040 I don't know.
00:32:26.460 As you can see, I like the intrigue of this sort of crap,
00:32:28.780 even though this is the stuff that puts people off politics.
00:32:30.980 This is how the sausage gets made, guys.
00:32:32.700 Yeah, well, I was at the Friends of Science.
00:32:36.280 Another advocate?
00:32:37.500 Yeah, Michelle.
00:32:38.340 Everybody knew you.
00:32:39.840 Hey, do you know Corey?
00:32:41.160 I was like, yeah, I know Corey.
00:32:43.560 You can't only answer that.
00:32:44.500 It's not always a positive.
00:32:45.880 But it seemed like, you know, that's a prime demographic,
00:32:50.640 a UCB demographic.
00:32:51.760 You know, those people, and there were some politicians shaking hands
00:32:55.960 and kind of working the floor and doing that kind of thing.
00:32:59.560 Well, and Friends of Science, they're pretty, for the most part, rational.
00:33:02.060 I mean, a hardcore climate activist would think otherwise.
00:33:04.180 But they're also quite conservative, I would say.
00:33:06.060 Yes, they're very much, you know, in line with things.
00:33:08.540 But, yes, a little less on the social activist side.
00:33:11.740 Yeah.
00:33:12.200 A little more professional.
00:33:13.460 It's at this AGM where you're going to see more of that.
00:33:15.620 It'll be a little more subtle than, say, an old school delegated leadership race.
00:33:19.620 I used to love those when I was young and watching.
00:33:21.220 Everybody wearing the same T-shirts for their team.
00:33:22.920 I mean, you know, the T-shirts actually move across the floor
00:33:25.620 as one leadership of candidate endorses the other.
00:33:27.960 And then they start wearing each other's hats.
00:33:30.620 You know, again, for dorks like me, it was very entertaining.
00:33:34.100 But for others, now it's a little more nuanced.
00:33:36.280 But that is what's going to be happening down there.
00:33:39.100 And the stuff you don't see at the front podium
00:33:42.260 is where you'll really see the meat and potatoes of what's going on
00:33:45.100 in a party at one of these things.
00:33:47.460 So we'll see if the standard's been on the ball.
00:33:49.640 I've got my press pass for it.
00:33:50.640 I'll go there, too.
00:33:51.220 I don't think you need one, Corey.
00:33:54.780 I think you just show up and say hi.
00:33:56.760 You're not necessarily that welcome, I assure you.
00:34:00.660 Interesting times.
00:34:01.540 But, yeah, it'll be a lot to watch.
00:34:03.120 And just remind everybody, yes, we'll be covering it in depth.
00:34:06.120 Well, I'm sure we'll have some pipeline in my episodes
00:34:09.240 talking about what we thought out of it.
00:34:12.040 So as kind of brought in, Jonathan, have you had a look at that?
00:34:16.440 Yeah, Justin Trudeau, he's come up with his open letter
00:34:18.540 to Premier Smith on the Canada Pension Plan and Alberta Pension Plan.
00:34:23.220 Yes.
00:34:23.780 So with that one, what Trudeau is saying is if the Alberta government moves forward,
00:34:30.140 people shouldn't be worried because he's going to defend CPP.
00:34:32.960 But what's interesting is that this open letter highlights that a point that Daniel Smith was making,
00:34:39.140 which is that Alberta is paying in more than it's receiving.
00:34:41.880 And when the parental pension was announced, when I went to the press conference,
00:34:44.700 she talked about how this is the biggest issue with that and how Alberta is sending more money than we're getting back
00:34:50.720 because we have a higher employment rate and younger population.
00:34:55.520 And yeah.
00:34:57.580 Jonathan's kind of more at that contribution age where we're kind of more at that withdrawal age.
00:35:03.140 We're getting closer.
00:35:04.100 Yeah.
00:35:04.900 Well, I talked about that.
00:35:06.340 Oh, actually, it was a speaking event.
00:35:07.580 I was at the other night.
00:35:08.060 But I said, you know, because I was, I brushed it off back when I led the Alberta Independence Party back in the 90s when I was in my 20s.
00:35:15.760 And I had people coming up saying, an independent Alberta, but I'm worried about my pension.
00:35:18.700 Is my pension?
00:35:19.160 If I had to worry about it, it's not a big concern to worry about it.
00:35:21.020 Well, actually, the grayer your hair gets, the closer you get to the end, it becomes a much bigger concern.
00:35:25.760 I mean, if it's not there, you could be in serious trouble if you don't have outside investments.
00:35:31.180 People who have contributed for decades and still, you know, I might have another 10 or 15 years of work and I hope left in me.
00:35:36.620 But, you know, it starts to become pretty important to make sure that that balance is safe.
00:35:43.040 Well, when I was Jonathan's age, the concern was that there was going to be no CPP.
00:35:46.740 Yeah, they said there wouldn't be one at that time.
00:35:48.600 You know, so like that's a complete transformation now that the program is supposedly sustainable for 75 years.
00:35:53.860 Credit to Kretchen.
00:35:54.840 He did fix it up back because it was a Ponzi scheme prior to what him and Martin did.
00:35:58.440 Sure.
00:35:59.020 And going back to the Friends of Science and conservative demographic, well, that also seems to be kind of a CPP.
00:36:06.620 Kind of a demographic, you know, I didn't go around and ask people what their thoughts were on the pension.
00:36:14.140 But, you know, I think there's a kind of a potential split even within the UCP among, you know, UCP supporters that tend to be maybe a little more aged than younger folks.
00:36:26.760 Like Jonathan here.
00:36:28.940 And still want to support conservative government.
00:36:32.420 Well, I think a lot of older people do want to support perhaps an Alberta pension plan, but they just really want to be darn sure that my nest egg is going to be safe.
00:36:41.560 I'm going to get it later.
00:36:42.320 But what Premier Smith did mention when the pension was announced that it would be similar or lower contribution rates and potentially higher amounts that people would receive in the end.
00:36:54.260 So I think that's what's assuring people because she had promised legislation that it was guaranteed.
00:36:58.200 I do think that the provincial pension plan might be the first bill coming forward.
00:37:03.440 I know that Premier Smith did promise that the tax cuts thing would be.
00:37:08.180 But I think right now with just the whole climate, I think that might change.
00:37:11.140 And she'd probably bring forward the pension bill possibly as a first one.
00:37:13.600 I know about the legislature, does it resume for another two weeks?
00:37:16.340 So, I mean, anything can happen really.
00:37:18.200 Yeah, I think it'd be a little, personally, I think it'd be a bit of a gamble to throw a bill out on it necessarily when she's just saying she's starting the consultation.
00:37:25.780 Though, I mean, I think some critics have been fair enough when they're going through the motions of the consultation, but it sounds to me like they're pretty much got their heart set on going ahead with this.
00:37:34.740 It's just a matter of determining what it's going to look like.
00:37:37.060 All he needs is a referendum, really, and whether or not Albertans vote for it, I'm not too sure at this point.
00:37:41.500 I mean, polling numbers do look a little mixed.
00:37:44.360 And there's some uncertainty with what's going to happen.
00:37:46.940 And they are skewed by demographically.
00:37:47.800 Yeah.
00:37:48.240 Like when she's talking about lower contributions, I mean, that's a bone for you.
00:37:54.400 Yeah, that's for me.
00:37:55.040 You get to keep more of your check while you're going through.
00:37:57.880 And then higher payouts, well, you have to be contributing for a few decades before you're even going to come close to those higher payouts because the people that are going to be collecting out of CPP are going to be getting pretty close to what they would have been getting now, right?
00:38:13.900 Well, a whole lot of this rides on the interpretation of what Alberta's share in the existing fund is.
00:38:19.420 And there's a huge bone of contention going on there.
00:38:23.500 I mean, as Jonathan said, Trudeau's letter was an admission saying, yeah, we're dependent on Humberto for contributing.
00:38:29.140 That's the only way we're keeping this thing together.
00:38:31.420 And if they pull out in any form, we're going to be in some serious trouble.
00:38:34.680 Well, I think it kind of becomes a proxy for equalization.
00:38:40.520 And, you know, we had that referendum as well under Jason Kenney.
00:38:45.460 And, you know, they haven't done anything with that.
00:38:47.780 But it seems to me that the pension debate and the contributions of the Alberta pension are almost parallel, if not intersecting at some point with the equalization debate and how much money is actually flowing back to the federal government in those kind of payments as well, right?
00:39:04.140 Well, beyond the overpayment, it's the amount of principal we would be entitled to.
00:39:09.040 I mean, their calculation of it, I know I got barked at heavily by a few folks as soon as I even said it on Twitter.
00:39:14.480 But I do feel that they're, okay, they're taking it on.
00:39:16.580 It's in the legislation.
00:39:18.100 And if you interpret it that way, Alberta would be entitled to well over half of what's in the pot.
00:39:24.100 I just don't see Canada bending on that.
00:39:26.280 But, I mean, before it goes to a referendum, I think they're going to have to have some sort of solid number, whether it's 20% of what's in there or 30%.
00:39:34.340 Like we're going to say, when we pull out, we're going to have this much to start with.
00:39:38.200 Well, absolutely.
00:39:39.280 And there's an interesting column by Jack Mance.
00:39:42.460 I'm not sure if you're familiar with Jack.
00:39:44.540 Jack, I haven't seen that particular column necessarily.
00:39:46.960 It was in the National Post this morning where he was talking about $384 million, basically just being a good starting point to actually have this discussion about all these other ancillary issues, including equalization and taxation and balance payments and energy security.
00:40:08.340 You know what I mean?
00:40:08.820 Like they all kind of feed it because if you want pension security, then you're going to have to have some kind of an economic basis really to back it up, right?
00:40:17.360 So from a, again, you know, I'll throw it kind of in your business perspective, though.
00:40:21.220 I mean, that money isn't just sitting in a money bin in cash.
00:40:24.400 It's all tied up in investments of all sorts and all kinds.
00:40:27.120 If Alberta were to pull out and we're going to separate that, you know, boy, they've got a heck of a task.
00:40:32.780 Yeah, you know, are we going to completely liquidate that fund there or do we take 30% of that fund and move it?
00:40:37.420 It's going to be quite a, well, I mean, no matter how you do it, it's going to be a lot of work, but that could also disrupt business markets, too.
00:40:43.580 And so you get shifting on investment priorities.
00:40:46.260 And which assets would you want?
00:40:47.840 You know, like wouldn't Alberta government maybe be more inclined towards some of the, you know, energy assets, right?
00:40:53.560 You know, at a time when we're supposedly downplaying, you know, the fossil fuel industry.
00:40:57.540 So maybe CPP unloads all its holdings in Suncor and Petro-Canada, you know, back to the Alberta government and say, here, you take it.
00:41:04.880 See, I would like CPP to keep all the energy assets because that gives the rest of Canada a heck of an interest for us to keep working out here and doing well with our energy companies.
00:41:14.280 Because if you sink those energy companies, you're sinking your own pension plan.
00:41:17.420 That's just my way of thinking.
00:41:19.160 But it would just be, you know, there's a, I mean, I'm very thrilled and interested in this whole thing.
00:41:25.000 But it's going to be a complicated, difficult thing to get to the point, I think, where Albertans will accept it in a referendum.
00:41:31.440 I agree.
00:41:32.060 And I'm initially, you know, my, you know, my thoughts are I'm fairly supportive.
00:41:37.700 You know, I'm familiar with Case in Quebec.
00:41:41.140 They haven't done as well as CPP.
00:41:42.860 But, you know, there is definitely a lot of autonomy on how they invest, where they invest, and how they do it.
00:41:49.280 But then at the same time, like you said, this is going to be a very complicated divorce and division of assets.
00:41:55.620 It's like you get the kid, I get the car.
00:41:58.400 I don't like that kid.
00:41:59.580 She gets the opposite.
00:42:01.040 Yeah.
00:42:01.120 That one.
00:42:02.140 That one.
00:42:02.860 Yeah.
00:42:03.400 She's going to like the snow.
00:42:04.700 Yeah.
00:42:04.840 The kid who's licking the windows, you can have that one.
00:42:10.160 And I mean, it depends on, again, with support and demographics.
00:42:13.440 I mean, we don't want to absorb more risk when we're getting to the point of looking at drawing out.
00:42:19.120 But, I mean, if I was in my 20s or whatever, I'd say, well, what the heck, let's roll the dice a little on something, you know.
00:42:23.920 Can't afford to take a little more risk there, Jonathan.
00:42:25.920 Your investment portfolio.
00:42:28.400 So, I guess, you know, as a perhaps a campaign, you know, tactic when it comes to the point of a referendum,
00:42:35.660 they might want to really reach out to the younger voters and get them out.
00:42:38.780 Yep.
00:42:38.920 Because they'd be less, I think, I don't know, but they might be more inclined to support the concept of a newer home pension.
00:42:48.400 I agree.
00:42:49.480 But, anyway, another area of it, as you said, it's opening up a lot of discussions.
00:42:52.960 It was interesting.
00:42:53.340 Somebody was talking about, you know, EI, we're kind of getting hooped in the same basis as we do with CPP.
00:42:58.280 It's not a building fund.
00:42:59.420 It's a program.
00:43:02.140 But with EI, Alberta pays far more in than it pulls out.
00:43:05.880 And I've heard talk occasionally of Alberta starting its own employment insurance program, too,
00:43:09.700 which would really, really throw a wrench into the business of Eastern Canada if they did that.
00:43:15.040 Especially with Nova Scotia, I believe that it's, I believe the amount of hours you have to have work to claim EI in Alberta
00:43:20.960 is, I think, three times that of Nova Scotia or something like that.
00:43:23.980 I remember hearing that somewhere.
00:43:24.800 Yeah, I mean, whether or not that ends up becoming a conversation, I know that Daniel Smith hasn't talked about an Alberta employment insurance plan.
00:43:34.020 But, I mean, politics changes every week, so who knows?
00:43:38.040 Well, when I was young and during the bust in the 80s, the crash of 86, 87, when I just happened to graduate from high school,
00:43:46.280 you know, the Alberta alphabet at the time was UICALCBRCMP, you know, like, it wasn't called employment insurance.
00:43:59.620 No, it was unemployment insurance at that time.
00:44:01.840 Unemployment enjoyment, you know.
00:44:03.660 Well, and it used to frustrate, it was terribly bad back in the 90s when I was starting in the oil field.
00:44:08.760 It would drive me nuts because I worked a lot at surveying and had a seismic project, so it's very seasonal.
00:44:14.020 And you have a whole pile of work you really got to wrap up, usually before breakup hits in March, April.
00:44:19.080 But something would happen, usually at the end of February, start of March.
00:44:22.760 All our Maritimers that came out for the season suddenly got enough hours in to collect EI for the rest of the year.
00:44:27.960 And they're gone.
00:44:28.460 They won't work a day longer than they had to to collect.
00:44:32.360 And I'm not saying all of them.
00:44:33.080 A lot of them stayed to, I want to be fair.
00:44:34.660 And they were fantastic workers, fantastic people, and worked out the rest of the season.
00:44:39.020 But we would have a huge labor crisis.
00:44:40.460 We'd lose at least half of them because the system was just being played.
00:44:44.600 You know, in Alberta, if you wanted to collect, you had to work well beyond that to be eligible.
00:44:49.780 But over there, you didn't have to work long at all.
00:44:51.820 And then suddenly, yep, you're good for the year.
00:44:53.740 Yeah.
00:44:55.040 It's become almost an equalization program in itself as well.
00:44:58.600 Well, that's it.
00:44:59.300 We should have been focusing on moving the people to the industries rather than moving the money
00:45:03.420 to the people over there.
00:45:05.360 But that's.
00:45:06.300 I mean, like many new fees did stay in Fort McMurray.
00:45:10.020 And, you know, they've set up their own little community there.
00:45:12.020 Even Arthur's still out here.
00:45:14.080 Somewhere.
00:45:14.660 Arthur, are you out there?
00:45:16.240 Yeah.
00:45:17.120 Well, I'm sure Arthur's enjoying his job with the Alberta government right now.
00:45:19.820 Like I said, I want to count you.
00:45:20.980 There were a lot of fantastic Maritimers came out.
00:45:23.080 They were part of building Alberta and they're still here.
00:45:25.060 Or even once it came and went, but worked their butts off and worked full amounts.
00:45:29.700 But that program was abused and it was used as a wealth redistribution scheme,
00:45:33.060 which it really shouldn't have been.
00:45:33.960 And it still is to a degree today.
00:45:36.840 I'm saying one more thing for maybe Danielle to think about.
00:45:39.280 Hey, if you can't get them on the pension.
00:45:42.460 Well, I'm kind of curious if Alberta did put it in its own EI program,
00:45:46.100 maybe the restrictions would be twice as high as they are now.
00:45:50.660 I've never actually collected.
00:45:51.980 I mean, I've been paying in for however many years.
00:45:54.360 I have no idea how much was it.
00:45:56.300 It's got to be fairly substantial, I would think.
00:45:58.340 Yeah, well, they must have some degree of a fund, but still, it's a little different, that one.
00:46:05.220 It's an insurance program.
00:46:06.460 It goes on your earnings, whatever earnings you are, not necessarily on how much you've earned over time,
00:46:12.100 as opposed to a pension, right?
00:46:13.300 Yeah, so it's not a built-up cumulative thing.
00:46:15.100 If you're off work for two weeks, you get two weeks coverage.
00:46:16.660 If you're off for six months, so be it, but it wasn't based on, I don't know, lots to chew on.
00:46:22.560 Maybe it'll come up next year's AGM.
00:46:24.040 I think we've run out of time, though, so we've solved a few world's problems, but not all of them.
00:46:29.100 No, we'll save a few for next time.
00:46:31.900 Yes.
00:46:33.260 Thank you both for coming in today, guys, and filling those roles that are typically taken by the other stodgy,
00:46:39.600 other Western Standard staff.
00:46:41.240 So, Jonathan, Sean, thank you very much.
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