Western Standard - THE PIPELINE： Where the f＊＊＊ is Nenshi’s NDP？!

00:00:00.000 Good day, today is August 27th, 2021.

00:00:30.000 I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard, and you're watching The Pipeline.

00:00:35.660 I'm joined by my usual buddies here, former Western Standard opinion editor, Nigel Henniford.

00:00:42.280 Here I am again.

00:00:43.580 And Western Standard senior Alberta columnist, Corey Morgan.

00:00:46.980 Always a pleasure.

00:00:48.360 Having internet trouble, so she may or may not join us from Vancouver, is the always lovely Elise Mills.

00:00:54.560 We'll see. We'll see if she makes it on.

00:00:56.360 If so, we'll put a sneaker in.

00:00:59.100 Um...

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00:01:25.980 Uh, all right.

00:01:27.480 Well, we're going to be talking about, um...

00:01:29.660 It's the end of August.

00:01:31.660 So, you know, it can be a little troublesome sometimes.

00:01:34.860 What are we going to talk about?

00:01:36.100 Some things were easier than others.

00:01:37.880 We were stuck for kind of a third one today.

00:01:40.220 And I thought, well, what's something that's not in the news?

00:01:46.660 Nenshi and the Alberta NDP.

00:01:48.580 Where, uh, the F word, are they?

00:01:53.020 They're just, uh, they're just gone.

00:01:54.880 We're going to...

00:01:55.300 So we're going to have a discussion about, um...

00:01:59.100 The very low profile the Alberta NDP's had.

00:02:02.260 Uh, trouble it's had punching through in the polls.

00:02:05.140 Despite what a lot of pundits say,

00:02:07.140 the huge opportunities they should have with the UCP.

00:02:10.780 Um...

00:02:12.140 Light sentencing for migrants, uh,

00:02:16.000 has become a, uh, pretty, uh, big issue.

00:02:19.380 Or, migration in overall has become a big issue.

00:02:21.580 And it's got a lot of different facets.

00:02:23.260 Um, the, uh, conservative parties, uh,

00:02:26.440 Michelle Rempel and Pierre Polyev,

00:02:28.380 um, have, uh, put forward a private member's bill

00:02:31.980 to, uh, prohibit judges from giving intentionally lighter sentences

00:02:37.000 to migrants, uh, in cases where that might jeopardize their ability

00:02:41.300 to get citizenship.

00:02:42.980 Uh, that seems like it should, should be an uncontroversial thing.

00:02:46.960 The only controversy should be,

00:02:48.120 why the hell are we doing that to begin with?

00:02:51.060 Uh, so we'll talk, we'll chat about that bill and issue.

00:02:53.700 But we're gonna start first with, uh, I love this headline.

00:02:56.240 Uh, queers for Palestine versus Palestine for queers.

00:03:00.780 Um, the, uh, well, I'll let you set it up, Corey.

00:03:05.700 Um, this is a controversy that's gone on for a number of years now.

00:03:10.860 Um, and in Ottawa, during the Pride Parade,

00:03:15.280 it seemed, um, an unstoppable woke force

00:03:19.800 met an immovable politically correct object.

00:03:23.480 Yeah, I mean, I guess they're trying to outwoke each other or something.

00:03:26.600 But, I mean, it gets into the, the, the realm of just absurdity.

00:03:29.600 I mean, you know, the whole queers for Palestine concept.

00:03:32.700 So it was the Ottawa Pride Parade, one of the big ones.

00:03:34.900 It's kind of the, the, the, the tri-actor of Pride Parades in Canada.

00:03:37.980 You've got Ottawa, Montreal, and Toronto.

00:03:41.420 I guess Vancouver's another, uh, brute.

00:03:43.100 So maybe there's a fourth.

00:03:44.560 They were gonna have their big march.

00:03:46.300 And, uh, queers for Palestine basically set up and blockaded them.

00:03:51.380 Stopped the parade in its tracks.

00:03:53.360 They negotiated, it was a bunch of ridiculous demands, I guess,

00:03:57.140 of the Pride Marchers, which, again,

00:03:59.800 how Pride Marchers could do anything with Palestine

00:04:01.680 or anything of the sort, who knows.

00:04:03.520 And it came to an impasse.

00:04:04.560 And in the end, the organizers of Ottawa Pride canceled the parade.

00:04:07.480 Said, well, that's it.

00:04:08.020 We're not going further.

00:04:10.120 It's just the, the levels of weirdness and extremism and, and ridiculousness of this,

00:04:16.520 this whole thing on so many levels.

00:04:18.840 Uh, again, queers for Palestine.

00:04:20.980 Everybody was like, you guys are, are, you know,

00:04:22.600 I think the best meme is the one saying, you know, chickens for KFC.

00:04:25.100 You guys are supporting a group that wants to kill you.

00:04:30.200 If you go to Palestine, they will kill you.

00:04:32.280 They will throw you off buildings.

00:04:33.480 They, they will, that's just the nature of it.

00:04:36.440 They're not hiding it.

00:04:37.040 The only ones that deny that are Western liberals.

00:04:38.660 Uh, meanwhile, the Pride organizers for the rest of the parade, I, I, it just shows the weakness

00:04:46.840 of them too, though.

00:04:47.800 They don't know what to do.

00:04:49.240 I mean, it'd be pretty much anything else.

00:04:50.540 If you've got a tiny minority blocking your own parade, you'd maybe kind of just shove

00:04:54.000 them aside and say, that's enough out of you guys.

00:04:55.760 And, and, and, and whatever the gender may be of the bunch and, and just move on.

00:05:01.620 But they just, they capitulated.

00:05:03.100 They said, well, we don't know what to do.

00:05:04.500 BLM did this to them years ago too.

00:05:06.060 That was funny.

00:05:06.900 We got, you know, the hierarchy of victimhood and minorities and the wokeness and of Black

00:05:11.660 Lives Matters.

00:05:12.240 Again, they were terrified.

00:05:13.020 What do we do now?

00:05:14.140 Are we, uh, you know, is queer more important or BLM or whatnot?

00:05:17.760 And they ended up letting their parades get derailed there.

00:05:20.060 This could be the beginning of the end of Pride parade.

00:05:21.700 So if they're going to let the fringe groups just take them over every time.

00:05:24.560 So, uh, Nigel, um, who outranks who LGTBQ plus 2SI X, Y, Z, uh, Palestine or Black Lives

00:05:34.840 Matter?

00:05:35.600 Which, which one, uh, which one gets the most points?

00:05:39.240 I know you can mix and match.

00:05:40.540 You're asking me to sort of just the distinction between a gnat and a louse really, aren't you?

00:05:45.520 It's, uh, uh, these, there's, there's another one that, uh, you could have thrown into the

00:05:51.420 mix there.

00:05:51.900 And then a few years ago, when it turned out that there were sex selective abortions

00:05:57.040 being, taking place at the expense of women, you'd have thought the feminist groups would

00:06:02.180 have been saying, what are they doing?

00:06:04.180 They're killing women before they're born.

00:06:06.320 That was an old Western standard print magazine thing.

00:06:09.080 Uh, uh, I've been a subscriber for a long time.

00:06:11.460 Andrea Morosik did it back in the day.

00:06:14.020 I remember it was when I was in university case, it was feminism, like defending the lives

00:06:18.640 of girls versus abortion.

00:06:20.360 It was, uh, it was a conundrum.

00:06:21.740 But remember the way the thing ended up in the end, the feminists decided it was more

00:06:26.280 important that they should have their right to abortion than that they should defend the

00:06:30.280 lives of unborn women.

00:06:32.020 So I thought that was a crazy thing.

00:06:34.260 I actually, I, I, I didn't see that coming.

00:06:36.720 I thought, Oh, there you go.

00:06:37.760 That that's going to really punch a hole in the side of the abortion movement.

00:06:41.440 Well, now we come to queries for Palestine that wants to, uh, you know, that wants to uphold

00:06:48.560 the state of Palestine, which as you said, would be distinctly unfriendly to people of

00:06:54.060 their perspective.

00:06:55.060 Friendly.

00:06:56.060 I guess Israel.

00:06:57.060 That's a polite way of putting it.

00:06:58.060 Yeah.

00:06:59.060 Well, I mean, we try to be polite.

00:07:00.060 Eric, I don't know.

00:07:01.060 But, uh, we come to, uh, against Israel, which it's very tolerant of that point of view.

00:07:08.680 So, uh, I, I take Corey's point, obviously there is a moral weakness, gosh, how are we

00:07:16.020 talking about morality here?

00:07:17.640 There's a moral weakness in the leadership, a lack of intestinal fortitude that would just

00:07:21.800 say, as you said, get, get out of the way.

00:07:24.040 We've got a point to make it.

00:07:25.040 It's not yours.

00:07:26.320 Go.

00:07:26.720 Well, and they've, they've lost the whole narrative of rights for LGTBQ people.

00:07:31.160 I think maybe that's part of the problem is they've won every battle in Canada.

00:07:33.820 You've got marriage, you've got human rights protection, you've got everything else.

00:07:38.680 Um, but instead of looking outwards to where those battles still should actually be fought,

00:07:43.540 like where they're executing gay people, you're instead of introverting into this bizarro

00:07:48.800 world of, of queers for Palestine.

00:07:50.460 I just, uh, it's, it's serious to them, but I'm going to laugh at you guys.

00:07:54.700 Get your crap.

00:07:55.100 Well, I think it's because these movements don't tend to stop of their own volition.

00:07:59.680 They stop when they run out of steam or are set back.

00:08:03.300 Um, you know, uh, you know, the movement coming out of the, the civil rights movement

00:08:09.420 in the United States for equality for black people, et cetera, that started as a reasonable

00:08:13.580 proposition.

00:08:14.540 And then it turned into affirmative action.

00:08:16.760 And then it turned into DEI.

00:08:18.960 It turned into, uh, segregated, uh, college graduations.

00:08:24.860 So we're like, we think I'm right back to segregation.

00:08:27.080 These movements don't often, I can't think of many examples, uh, nothing.

00:08:32.700 I think of the anti-smoking movement, they beat mainstream smoking and then, and then they

00:08:37.560 go after vaping, which is what's getting people off the few remaining people who are smoking.

00:08:42.680 If vaping gets them off of that, the anti-smoking movement can't stop.

00:08:46.400 Literally no movement stops.

00:08:48.540 Uh, I used to think, uh, I used to use the example when I was working at the Canadian Taxpayers

00:08:51.800 Federation back in the day, that if we had succeeded in abolishing taxes, abolishing debt

00:08:56.200 and abolishing the government, we'd have to invent something else because, well, this is

00:09:01.920 our careers.

00:09:02.780 This is our movement.

00:09:03.540 This is what we believe in.

00:09:04.860 And so, you know, what started as the gay rights movement and then bi's and lesbians,

00:09:10.160 et cetera, they kept on attaching letters to it.

00:09:12.680 They got more and more extreme.

00:09:14.160 They achieved all of their reasonable, logical, small, illiberal goals.

00:09:19.780 And then there was just no way to stop.

00:09:22.760 They became hungry.

00:09:23.800 They were salivating for it.

00:09:25.160 And then, and that's why the movement's overreached and you have a pushback on the extreme radical

00:09:31.040 trans stuff.

00:09:33.020 Um, and it, and it keeps on subdividing and subdividing and subdividing.

00:09:37.000 It's almost like a Protestant church at this point.

00:09:39.320 And, uh, and you've, now you've got queers from Palestine, which is one of the most oxymoronic,

00:09:47.380 uh, movements or groups.

00:09:49.740 I, I can imagine.

00:09:52.060 Or just plain moronic.

00:09:53.960 You know, you, you touched on something there a moment ago about the, when you were talking

00:09:58.560 about the smoking and how it just keeps on going.

00:10:00.800 Well, you realize, of course, that in that particular instance, there's a lot of government money

00:10:06.600 that goes into the anti-smoking movement.

00:10:09.200 Yeah, there is for this too.

00:10:10.260 And I, I, I just come back.

00:10:12.880 I want to follow the money.

00:10:14.140 Who's, who's paying queers for Palestine?

00:10:17.400 May I ask you?

00:10:18.840 Well, that's a separate issue, but there have been some groups funding.

00:10:22.040 Obviously somebody is, uh, somebody is behind this and keeping them going.

00:10:26.560 And, uh, it doesn't matter to these people that it's oxymoronic.

00:10:32.460 It's publicity.

00:10:33.240 It's putting a name out in front.

00:10:35.660 Is there a hierarchy?

00:10:37.200 I, I, people would have their own ideas about who was on the top.

00:10:42.680 Oh boy.

00:10:43.860 Was that a, was that a joke?

00:10:46.000 Uh, well, I don't know if it was intentional.

00:10:48.660 I don't know if it was unintentional, but, uh, you know.

00:10:51.340 Yeah.

00:10:52.300 Um, I, I mean, I, I, I, I'm hesitant to discuss this logically

00:10:57.300 because it's not very logical.

00:10:59.420 Um, I mean, you can, uh, I mean, I, I've got some sympathy

00:11:04.180 for the situation of Palestinian civilians.

00:11:07.940 Uh, I mean, you're fighting this kind of guerrilla war,

00:11:10.800 terrorist organization.

00:11:12.240 The line does get fuzzy between civilian and combatant, obviously.

00:11:17.340 Uh, but, you know, I, a reasonable person,

00:11:22.300 left or right can have sympathy for the situation and whatnot,

00:11:25.160 but then to frame it as, as you put it, Corey, you know, chickens for KFC.

00:11:31.060 I mean, you could just say, I'm for Palestine and I happen to be gay,

00:11:34.440 but like, conflating those two things together.

00:11:37.540 You could talk about all the other things.

00:11:38.980 I want to see a two-state solution.

00:11:40.440 I, I don't like the, uh, alleged overreaction.

00:11:43.120 Israel, all sorts of things.

00:11:44.100 Fine.

00:11:44.320 And that, that, that, that's not a problem, but to try and, and claim that this is a,

00:11:48.900 a, you know, that, that...

00:11:51.040 It's what happens when you fit everything into identity politics.

00:11:53.380 Yeah.

00:11:53.860 And it's not, the, the only ones denying the attitude of Islamists towards the LGBTQ,

00:12:00.820 Emerson, dollar sign, whatever it is this week.

00:12:03.420 Uh, the only, the only people denying that they have a problem with that are Western liberals.

00:12:07.840 They, they make no secret of how they feel about...

00:12:10.380 Yeah, Hamas is not finding how they feel about this.

00:12:12.460 We saw videos of that in the early protests as well,

00:12:15.520 when some fella showed up flamboyantly running around at one with a rainbow flag

00:12:19.600 and the other Palestinian punch jumped out and grabbed his flag and threw it on the ground,

00:12:23.900 kicked him out.

00:12:24.520 You're not with us, dude.

00:12:26.040 You're, you know, the intolerance towards that community is horrific,

00:12:30.140 but they've got this, this purposeful blindness, you know, towards reality again,

00:12:35.640 that it's just astounding.

00:12:37.360 But it's discrediting the entire thing.

00:12:39.140 As you said, it's come full circle.

00:12:41.020 As I said before too, I think it could be the beginning of the end of the pride parades.

00:12:44.620 Like they, they, they've run their course.

00:12:46.480 It's getting to such absurdity that I think rational LGBTQ people,

00:12:50.720 and there's many of them, they're just not going to come out to this crap anymore.

00:12:54.020 They, they don't have time for it.

00:12:55.740 Slight change of the topic, but still pretty close, I think,

00:12:59.560 because for, you know, you were here in Alberta, uh, you know,

00:13:05.740 is Daniel Smith going to attend the pride parade?

00:13:08.600 That was a big thing during Wild Rose.

00:13:11.080 Uh, then it was, will JC Kenny go?

00:13:13.400 And then pride parades with banned conservative politicians for going,

00:13:16.340 even those who were openly like very much on side with their issues.

00:13:20.780 Um, I mean, the Wild Rose was banned from it regularly.

00:13:23.420 The UCP was banned from it.

00:13:25.300 Um, you know, you and I were chatting offline about this, Corey,

00:13:28.540 that, uh, you know, you had gone to some of the early pride parades.

00:13:31.680 Yeah, back in the 90s.

00:13:32.540 Not corporately sponsored.

00:13:34.200 Um, you know, that, you know, arguably had good cause.

00:13:38.940 Um, I, I, I didn't go to them, but, uh, I guess I, but, um, you know,

00:13:46.100 they, they were fighting for something and they weren't these ostentatious,

00:13:51.540 um, overly, uh, overly sexualized public displays of something that's very personal.

00:14:02.140 They, they were, they were for a cause.

00:14:03.640 It made sense.

00:14:04.160 Uh, but for a lot, that has not been the case with pride for a long time.

00:14:08.440 And they're not all the same, uh, to the credit of, you know, Calgary's.

00:14:12.700 Yeah, it's pretty sexualized, but it's not in the same category as say Toronto,

00:14:17.240 where you have a bunch of pedos walking naked down the street,

00:14:21.640 displaying their genitals in front of little kids,

00:14:23.560 which confounds me that that is, that these people aren't arrested

00:14:27.560 and doing serious time in prison for what they're doing.

00:14:30.040 Sorry, the pedos or the parents who bring the kids?

00:14:32.140 You know, there's a bit of both going on.

00:14:33.700 Yeah, anyone who would knowingly bring their kids to it.

00:14:36.360 So, but, you know, it's a ritual that politicians have to attend pride

00:14:40.520 or you're labeled, every time pride comes to the city every year,

00:14:43.360 you're labeled a bigot.

00:14:45.480 I mean, are, are we at the point where it's,

00:14:47.920 where pride has jumped the shark so terribly when you go,

00:14:51.360 the queers for Palestine thing,

00:14:52.740 you've got extreme transgender ideology, uh,

00:14:57.800 preying on children in this,

00:14:59.820 where it's, it's affiliated itself with a bunch of other stuff

00:15:02.060 that most big gay people I know want nothing to do with,

00:15:05.800 uh, has it jumped the shark to the point

00:15:07.900 where a politician can safely say,

00:15:10.260 you know what, I'm not going and I'm proud.

00:15:13.280 I have pride in not going and here's why.

00:15:15.680 Yeah, I think they've given them a safe out.

00:15:17.880 They'll say, you know, I support that cause,

00:15:19.520 but I'm not going to be seen there because of this, this, or this.

00:15:22.780 There's so many more reasons that they're giving them.

00:15:24.760 As I said, those 90s gatherings,

00:15:26.600 and I was a nervous young guy, gay people,

00:15:30.460 geez, whatever, I was dragged here by a girlfriend.

00:15:32.260 And I think it served its purpose.

00:15:34.100 They were flamboyantly, unapologetically gay people

00:15:37.520 in a big park after a parade,

00:15:39.100 not in thongs and sexualized and everything else,

00:15:42.540 but just making no bones about it,

00:15:43.820 saying, hey, we're here, we're queer,

00:15:44.980 the old thing, you know, just we're allowed to be.

00:15:47.940 And I think it was, uh, productive.

00:15:51.060 You know, people who were interested anyways,

00:15:52.520 got together and realized, you know,

00:15:53.660 they don't bite, well, unless you ask them to or something,

00:15:55.580 you know, but it's, it's, uh, uh,

00:15:59.040 just a gathering of people and realizing your neighbors

00:16:02.380 are people you can get along with,

00:16:03.680 but it's just, they, they overshot those goalposts.

00:16:05.640 They've gone so far beyond that,

00:16:07.320 that, uh, it's just gone into ridiculousness

00:16:09.620 and it's run its course.

00:16:12.460 Okay.

00:16:13.520 Well, speaking of reasonable things

00:16:15.560 that have jumped the shark

00:16:16.840 and gone into the unreasonable,

00:16:19.020 uh, let's talk about,

00:16:21.180 one aspect of the migrant crisis now.

00:16:27.640 Um, you know, there was a, uh,

00:16:30.000 a case very recently where a judge,

00:16:33.280 uh, well, I forget what the crime was,

00:16:36.180 but the guy was found guilty, a migrant.

00:16:37.980 He solicited a 15-year-old for sex.

00:16:41.400 Like, this wasn't, uh,

00:16:44.380 you know, name it almost any other crime.

00:16:47.060 Soliciting a 15-year-old little girl

00:16:49.660 for, uh, for sex.

00:16:51.780 Um,

00:16:53.260 it's pretty heinous.

00:16:55.180 And, uh,

00:16:57.120 the judge lessened his sentence

00:16:59.500 because if, uh,

00:17:00.720 he went over a certain number of days

00:17:02.440 served in prison,

00:17:03.480 uh,

00:17:04.800 this would, uh,

00:17:06.060 hamper his ability

00:17:07.860 to get citizenship status.

00:17:09.200 A reasonable person says,

00:17:12.780 well, of course,

00:17:13.620 we don't want that guy

00:17:14.620 to have citizenship status.

00:17:16.100 He should serve some serious time in prison

00:17:17.960 and then the day he's released

00:17:19.900 be put on, uh,

00:17:22.220 on a little wooden dingy

00:17:23.240 back to wherever the hell he's from.

00:17:25.340 Um,

00:17:25.940 that's, I think,

00:17:26.920 what most reasonable people think.

00:17:28.940 Um,

00:17:30.180 the conservatives,

00:17:30.840 uh,

00:17:31.520 so Michelle Rempel,

00:17:32.540 I think,

00:17:33.020 has led the charge on this one,

00:17:34.720 uh,

00:17:35.440 have put forward a bill

00:17:36.380 to prohibit judges

00:17:37.920 from including

00:17:38.960 someone's immigration status,

00:17:41.360 um,

00:17:42.820 in consideration for sentencing.

00:17:45.840 Um,

00:17:46.960 the Toronto,

00:17:49.140 I think it was the Toronto Star

00:17:50.180 had a just wild,

00:17:51.820 uh,

00:17:52.580 editorial or comment on this

00:17:54.340 saying,

00:17:54.800 oh, that's not true.

00:17:56.000 Um,

00:17:56.660 this is,

00:17:57.700 uh,

00:17:58.780 you know,

00:18:00.120 it's not true.

00:18:00.980 The conservatives are making this up.

00:18:02.180 And then in the,

00:18:03.100 in their headline

00:18:04.140 and then their main piece

00:18:05.260 in the lead,

00:18:05.680 but then you go further into it

00:18:07.240 and it said,

00:18:07.920 uh,

00:18:09.540 well,

00:18:10.280 actually they do,

00:18:10.960 but it's a good thing.

00:18:12.400 It's a good thing.

00:18:13.420 Uh,

00:18:13.740 so they're kind of arguing

00:18:14.380 out,

00:18:14.640 out of both sides here.

00:18:16.380 Um,

00:18:17.100 but I,

00:18:17.400 I feel like we're,

00:18:18.540 we're just absolutely bonkers

00:18:19.740 that there's anyone

00:18:20.560 in this country,

00:18:21.260 Nigel,

00:18:22.000 who is going to stand up

00:18:23.060 and defend,

00:18:23.820 uh,

00:18:24.720 giving lighter sentencing

00:18:25.900 to sexual predators

00:18:27.840 on children

00:18:29.020 because it could harm

00:18:31.420 their ability

00:18:31.960 to stay here even longer

00:18:33.220 and have even more rights

00:18:34.280 in our system.

00:18:34.840 Yeah,

00:18:35.520 well,

00:18:35.860 there's really nothing

00:18:36.680 to argue about here

00:18:37.660 to the point of the,

00:18:38.980 uh,

00:18:39.460 case that Michelle Rumpel

00:18:40.860 was,

00:18:41.260 uh,

00:18:41.880 was,

00:18:42.180 was talking about

00:18:43.160 and the,

00:18:44.040 we ran,

00:18:44.800 uh,

00:18:45.140 yesterday,

00:18:46.060 I think,

00:18:46.460 um,

00:18:47.980 the,

00:18:48.460 uh,

00:18:48.960 the fellow,

00:18:49.980 had,

00:18:51.200 the offender had stabbed

00:18:52.500 his victim

00:18:53.200 in the arm

00:18:54.060 and stomach,

00:18:55.780 leaving him

00:18:56.520 with 18 stitches

00:18:57.660 and 50 staples.

00:18:59.320 instead of jail,

00:19:01.180 the man received

00:19:02.000 a conditional sentence

00:19:03.020 of two years

00:19:03.940 less a day

00:19:04.700 to help him

00:19:05.800 avoid removal

00:19:06.700 from Canada.

00:19:07.540 So,

00:19:08.920 this isn't just

00:19:09.980 one out of one-off.

00:19:11.680 No,

00:19:11.980 you know,

00:19:12.280 it's a regular thing.

00:19:13.240 Like,

00:19:13.780 there's something going on here.

00:19:15.260 And,

00:19:15.780 you know,

00:19:16.480 we do know

00:19:17.180 that the Canadian judiciary

00:19:19.160 has already been instructed

00:19:21.100 to apply justice unequally.

00:19:23.240 I'm speaking here

00:19:24.480 of the Gladube decision,

00:19:26.340 which is a few years old now,

00:19:27.860 but the basic gist of it

00:19:29.000 is that you treat

00:19:30.120 people of indigenous

00:19:31.220 extraction differently

00:19:33.340 to everybody else

00:19:34.980 in recognition

00:19:36.060 of the peculiar

00:19:36.940 cultural circumstances

00:19:38.800 under which they,

00:19:40.060 they,

00:19:40.680 uh,

00:19:40.880 labor.

00:19:41.560 So,

00:19:42.460 we don't have equality

00:19:44.020 under the law

00:19:44.940 with indigenous people.

00:19:46.520 Now,

00:19:47.220 apparently,

00:19:47.980 we don't have equality

00:19:49.520 under the law,

00:19:50.740 not merely with people

00:19:52.380 who do this kind of thing.

00:19:54.120 They're not even bloody citizens.

00:19:55.940 You know,

00:19:56.440 like,

00:19:56.760 being a non-citizen,

00:19:57.680 you'll get off more likely

00:19:58.800 than if you're a Canadian citizen

00:20:01.260 and stab somebody

00:20:02.300 in the arm and stomach

00:20:03.640 and put a bunch of stitches in them.

00:20:05.260 Nigel,

00:20:05.780 you-

00:20:05.920 This is crazy.

00:20:07.240 Well,

00:20:07.420 Nigel,

00:20:07.600 you mentioned,

00:20:08.200 uh,

00:20:08.540 differences in sentencing,

00:20:09.660 which we have for a long time

00:20:11.120 with indigenous

00:20:11.800 versus non-indigenous Canadians.

00:20:14.220 You know,

00:20:14.940 you're,

00:20:15.460 you're from England.

00:20:16.840 Uh,

00:20:17.720 maybe it's worth bringing up then

00:20:19.280 that there is differences

00:20:20.420 for sentencing,

00:20:21.500 uh,

00:20:21.780 or the justice system

00:20:23.540 for indigenous Britons

00:20:24.600 versus non-indigenous Britons,

00:20:25.840 except it goes the other way around.

00:20:27.880 Indigenous Britons get,

00:20:29.280 uh,

00:20:29.960 get thrown in prison for memes.

00:20:32.400 He can talk.

00:20:34.340 Talking about if you like bacon.

00:20:36.600 Um,

00:20:37.320 and on the other hand,

00:20:38.360 the government actively

00:20:39.420 and in a coordinated fashion

00:20:40.980 ignores,

00:20:42.260 uh,

00:20:42.900 migrant rape gangs.

00:20:44.580 Yeah.

00:20:44.860 Um,

00:20:45.240 so this is not just a Canadian thing.

00:20:46.780 This is a disease

00:20:48.160 that has spread throughout

00:20:49.560 our entire civilization

00:20:51.040 and it's just been normalized

00:20:53.100 at least

00:20:54.440 in

00:20:55.560 large,

00:20:56.720 very large segments

00:20:58.100 of,

00:20:59.080 uh,

00:21:00.000 the leadership classes

00:21:00.940 of our society

00:21:01.640 among our politicians,

00:21:02.720 our bureaucrats,

00:21:03.440 our business leaders,

00:21:04.280 our judges,

00:21:05.200 our prosecutors.

00:21:06.460 Uh,

00:21:06.940 it's not just here.

00:21:08.980 No,

00:21:09.220 it certainly isn't.

00:21:10.700 Uh,

00:21:10.900 and you know,

00:21:11.640 I,

00:21:11.880 I do think that,

00:21:13.220 uh,

00:21:14.520 there's some truth

00:21:15.340 in that old saying

00:21:16.160 that those whom the gods

00:21:17.180 would destroy,

00:21:17.880 they first make mad

00:21:19.180 because this,

00:21:19.980 this is madness

00:21:20.700 and it is destroying us.

00:21:22.920 Um,

00:21:23.640 these,

00:21:24.260 there,

00:21:25.260 there,

00:21:25.560 there,

00:21:25.860 there just isn't an argument

00:21:27.100 to,

00:21:28.680 that,

00:21:28.880 that would impress me

00:21:29.760 to say that somebody

00:21:30.600 who's not a citizen

00:21:31.460 should be treated

00:21:32.560 more leniently

00:21:33.340 than somebody who is.

00:21:34.980 If you're going to have

00:21:36.020 equal justice under the law,

00:21:37.540 it's got to be the same

00:21:38.460 for everybody

00:21:39.060 and that's what we've always

00:21:40.060 thought that we had

00:21:41.900 in Canada,

00:21:42.940 uh,

00:21:44.080 and now we find we don't.

00:21:45.740 So why do they do it?

00:21:47.080 I think they actually

00:21:48.200 want to feel

00:21:48.880 they did something good.

00:21:50.000 But they were,

00:21:51.640 you know,

00:21:52.220 when they could have been mean,

00:21:53.860 they were gentle.

00:21:54.880 When they,

00:21:55.400 they gave somebody

00:21:56.580 a second chance.

00:21:57.620 It's all about

00:21:58.620 the gratification

00:21:59.600 and the feelings

00:22:00.300 of the judges

00:22:01.200 and the people in it

00:22:02.320 because there's,

00:22:02.820 there's no other explanation

00:22:04.200 that I can think of

00:22:05.180 that would,

00:22:05.960 that would make some sense.

00:22:07.140 I just don't see,

00:22:08.220 unless you,

00:22:08.580 unless you have such

00:22:09.320 an overwhelming

00:22:10.040 conspiracy theory,

00:22:11.240 uh,

00:22:12.080 but,

00:22:12.500 uh,

00:22:13.560 in which case on this thing.

00:22:14.820 No,

00:22:15.060 I,

00:22:15.440 I,

00:22:15.860 I,

00:22:16.640 yeah,

00:22:17.000 I don't know.

00:22:17.340 I can't figure out

00:22:18.140 the grand conspiracy

00:22:18.820 to explain this one.

00:22:20.000 And just,

00:22:20.960 I see what you'd think

00:22:23.240 would be a simple route

00:22:24.000 out of this.

00:22:24.420 If they aren't citizens,

00:22:25.320 fair enough.

00:22:26.600 And you've got a conviction

00:22:27.800 of a serious crime.

00:22:29.800 I don't even talk about,

00:22:30.740 you know,

00:22:30.880 putting him in prison

00:22:31.500 for a couple of years

00:22:32.040 and then deporting him.

00:22:32.800 Why should we spend

00:22:33.500 that money?

00:22:34.440 You're there.

00:22:34.820 Because we need to punish them

00:22:35.960 first.

00:22:36.380 Well,

00:22:36.660 they need to be punished.

00:22:38.160 You know what?

00:22:38.840 Hey,

00:22:39.380 such and such host country,

00:22:40.940 this person's your problem.

00:22:41.980 If you want to punish them,

00:22:42.780 deal with them.

00:22:43.140 They've been convicted

00:22:43.680 here on that,

00:22:44.400 but we just don't want them.

00:22:45.520 They're gone.

00:22:46.020 They're never setting foot

00:22:46.720 here again.

00:22:47.980 Uh,

00:22:49.080 I don't know.

00:22:49.820 Well,

00:22:49.980 what if they killed someone?

00:22:51.140 Well,

00:22:51.760 like,

00:22:52.020 like where,

00:22:52.340 like where are we?

00:22:53.080 Yeah,

00:22:53.240 I know some of the difficulties.

00:22:54.820 Cause I,

00:22:55.180 I get what you're saying,

00:22:56.160 but I mean,

00:22:57.200 I want,

00:22:58.320 they should be gone.

00:22:59.060 Either,

00:22:59.380 either way we gotta get rid of it.

00:23:00.340 They'll never set a foot

00:23:01.540 on free Canadian soil again.

00:23:03.180 I agree with that.

00:23:04.220 But if they,

00:23:05.260 if they commit a serious crime,

00:23:06.920 I feel like we need to,

00:23:08.200 yes,

00:23:08.720 at our costs,

00:23:09.240 we need to punish them here first

00:23:11.500 because there's a good chance

00:23:12.800 that where they're going back to,

00:23:14.660 they're not doing it.

00:23:15.600 It's possible.

00:23:16.480 I mean,

00:23:16.900 the main thing is getting rid of them.

00:23:18.920 What is something else

00:23:19.320 I get a little concerned with

00:23:20.380 is when politicians get a little

00:23:21.440 too prescriptive

00:23:22.240 onto judicial discretion.

00:23:24.740 And this is kind of,

00:23:26.740 and I know I don't like

00:23:27.840 where the judicial discretion is going.

00:23:29.700 I don't like where their choices are going,

00:23:32.020 but I don't like seeing politicians

00:23:33.460 handcuffing them

00:23:34.280 on particular decisions

00:23:35.420 on cases as well.

00:23:37.260 It's a dicey area.

00:23:38.420 It's not necessarily

00:23:39.000 as cut and dry

00:23:39.580 as some people might think.

00:23:40.600 Yeah,

00:23:40.620 but who's running the show?

00:23:41.660 Who's running the country?

00:23:42.560 The politicians we elect

00:23:43.760 or the judges that we elect?

00:23:45.000 The judges are there

00:23:45.780 to interpret

00:23:46.580 and apply the law.

00:23:48.100 Well,

00:23:48.260 that's what we think.

00:23:49.180 Well,

00:23:49.460 that's what they're supposed to do.

00:23:51.060 They often sometimes

00:23:51.640 make law arguably,

00:23:53.060 maybe,

00:23:53.840 although it depends

00:23:54.920 if you like their decisions or not.

00:23:56.960 But,

00:23:57.300 you know,

00:23:58.540 but,

00:23:58.800 you,

00:23:59.420 Corey's got a point.

00:24:00.640 The judges

00:24:01.160 are supposed to be

00:24:02.940 honored people in society

00:24:04.760 that we trust,

00:24:05.720 that we give

00:24:06.180 very significant authority

00:24:08.120 and power to.

00:24:11.000 Of course,

00:24:12.360 their handcuffs are the law,

00:24:13.920 but the law,

00:24:14.960 you know,

00:24:16.120 if it's overly prescriptive,

00:24:17.920 you know,

00:24:18.820 what if you have a weird case?

00:24:21.180 There's just differences

00:24:21.840 in anything,

00:24:23.520 for example.

00:24:23.880 There's supposed to be

00:24:24.260 some dispersement sentences.

00:24:25.260 Let's start with,

00:24:25.740 say,

00:24:25.860 for example,

00:24:26.220 a crime of passion.

00:24:27.180 Okay,

00:24:27.480 you come in,

00:24:28.540 somebody's got your wife

00:24:29.800 in an uncomfortable position,

00:24:31.560 even if she's willing,

00:24:32.380 and you've gone mad,

00:24:33.120 and you've beaten that man

00:24:34.080 really thoroughly

00:24:34.900 before you got regained control

00:24:37.500 of your senses.

00:24:38.820 Now,

00:24:38.840 it's different

00:24:39.240 than just finding

00:24:39.840 a random guy on the street.

00:24:40.840 Exactly.

00:24:41.300 So it's still a crime.

00:24:42.020 You should still be charged

00:24:42.720 with assault,

00:24:43.180 but maybe you're taking

00:24:43.900 this into consideration

00:24:44.880 when the sentencing comes.

00:24:46.560 How much risk

00:24:47.080 is this man to society?

00:24:48.160 Well,

00:24:48.260 it depends on how many people

00:24:48.980 his wife beds

00:24:49.620 or whatever,

00:24:51.160 but you know what I mean?

00:24:52.820 It is quite different than,

00:24:53.820 yeah,

00:24:54.000 somebody randomly said,

00:24:54.960 you know,

00:24:55.080 I'm just going to walk by

00:24:55.860 and beat the heck

00:24:56.480 out of somebody on the sidewalk.

00:24:57.520 That's a much more dangerous person

00:24:58.900 than one who's provoked.

00:25:00.200 Now,

00:25:00.320 no law can prescribe

00:25:01.360 to cover those exact situations.

00:25:03.060 That's where a judge

00:25:03.800 has to sit

00:25:04.440 and weigh those circumstances

00:25:06.640 and come up

00:25:08.440 with a determination.

00:25:09.660 And likewise,

00:25:10.460 perhaps in an immigrant case,

00:25:11.780 it depends on the crime.

00:25:12.960 It depends on the history.

00:25:14.920 I mean,

00:25:15.160 I just,

00:25:16.360 and I know,

00:25:16.860 I know they're doing terribly

00:25:17.680 when we're keeping 15-year-old,

00:25:19.260 you know,

00:25:19.440 sex offenders

00:25:20.240 with 15-year-old girls

00:25:21.740 or people who stab people.

00:25:24.360 I do not want to see

00:25:25.420 lighter sentences

00:25:25.880 for those people.

00:25:26.480 I just worry

00:25:27.160 when we start to get reactive

00:25:28.940 and politicians

00:25:29.960 start writing in

00:25:30.760 and pulling away

00:25:31.440 that discretion

00:25:32.360 on the judge's part.

00:25:33.140 That is,

00:25:33.740 I think,

00:25:33.940 a very fair

00:25:34.620 and reasonable

00:25:35.500 cautionary concern

00:25:37.020 for this.

00:25:38.440 Mandatory minimums

00:25:39.800 are...

00:25:40.460 I don't like those

00:25:41.260 for the same reason.

00:25:42.820 Yeah,

00:25:43.380 I mean,

00:25:43.640 or if they're going

00:25:44.260 to be there,

00:25:44.660 they got to be

00:25:45.200 pretty damn careful

00:25:46.540 how they're applied.

00:25:47.380 I think the conservatives

00:25:48.080 when they were,

00:25:49.580 you know,

00:25:49.800 during the Harper government

00:25:50.460 applied it appropriately

00:25:52.500 sometimes,

00:25:53.100 but sometimes I think

00:25:54.120 it got a little

00:25:55.700 too trigger-happy

00:25:56.920 with them.

00:25:57.340 And so we should be cautious

00:26:00.000 when we get into

00:26:00.940 the business of,

00:26:02.400 you know,

00:26:02.780 the political side,

00:26:03.720 parliament,

00:26:05.580 prescribing,

00:26:06.560 you know,

00:26:07.520 more specifically

00:26:08.140 how judges interpret

00:26:09.300 and apply the law.

00:26:10.360 I think it's a fair concern.

00:26:11.960 But I think

00:26:12.540 in this case,

00:26:14.220 the judges have been found,

00:26:15.720 at least enough judges

00:26:16.780 have been found

00:26:17.400 to have completely abused

00:26:19.620 and disregarded

00:26:20.820 that discretion

00:26:21.740 for whatever

00:26:23.300 is motivating this.

00:26:24.660 If it's some misplaced

00:26:26.080 sense of liberal naivete

00:26:27.580 or if it's ideological,

00:26:29.900 I don't know.

00:26:31.180 But it has been abused

00:26:32.940 and so some legislative remedy,

00:26:35.380 I think,

00:26:36.140 is required here.

00:26:38.020 But I'm re-evaluating

00:26:39.140 how we're appointing

00:26:39.960 our judges.

00:26:40.620 I mean,

00:26:40.780 that gets into

00:26:41.160 a bigger issue.

00:26:42.300 I mean,

00:26:42.600 even if we started

00:26:44.380 appointing only great judges today,

00:26:46.940 it'll take decades

00:26:47.700 before the system

00:26:48.520 is flushed out.

00:26:49.680 Yeah.

00:26:49.820 On that point,

00:26:52.580 the application form

00:26:54.100 for judges,

00:26:56.620 because you can,

00:26:57.240 if you want to be a judge,

00:26:58.280 you can put your application form

00:27:00.320 in,

00:27:01.000 makes it very clear

00:27:02.140 who the government

00:27:03.460 is and is not

00:27:04.540 looking for.

00:27:05.720 So you have to tick the boxes

00:27:06.940 that you are a member

00:27:08.100 of a vulnerable group

00:27:10.060 or you're a woman

00:27:10.880 or you're a gay

00:27:12.580 or whatever.

00:27:13.700 DEI.

00:27:14.520 Yeah.

00:27:14.660 Basically,

00:27:16.580 you know,

00:27:17.480 people like us

00:27:18.560 shouldn't bother

00:27:19.400 finishing the application.

00:27:22.020 So that's one.

00:27:22.740 There is a very active attempt

00:27:24.280 on the part

00:27:25.060 of this government.

00:27:26.200 And I'm treating

00:27:27.560 Carney and Trusting Druder

00:27:29.260 as one continuous government.

00:27:30.840 It's our new government.

00:27:32.520 Yeah.

00:27:32.800 Didn't you see the memos?

00:27:33.980 Well,

00:27:34.320 I saw the memos

00:27:35.040 and didn't believe them

00:27:35.780 and neither did you,

00:27:36.640 Derek.

00:27:37.300 So this is the same old crowd

00:27:39.820 and this is what

00:27:41.000 they have been trying to do

00:27:42.680 and have been very successful.

00:27:44.320 That's one thing.

00:27:44.960 And the second thing

00:27:45.660 that goes with it

00:27:46.780 is that every several months

00:27:49.420 the judges are gathered up,

00:27:51.360 they ship them out to Banff

00:27:52.740 or some other regional center

00:27:54.780 according to where

00:27:55.540 they're operating

00:27:56.320 and they physically,

00:27:57.720 they actually indoctrinate them

00:27:59.180 and they tell them

00:28:00.200 the kind of way

00:28:01.220 they are supposed

00:28:02.100 to interpret the law.

00:28:05.380 And I find this

00:28:06.060 an outrageous thing

00:28:08.060 because it,

00:28:09.300 but they,

00:28:09.720 the government

00:28:10.120 is very specific

00:28:11.120 in telling judges

00:28:13.340 that these are

00:28:14.380 the kinds of judgments

00:28:15.340 we,

00:28:15.700 these are the considerations

00:28:16.800 you need to have.

00:28:18.200 And this comes back

00:28:19.180 to indigenous

00:28:20.120 and glad you quite often,

00:28:21.560 but there are other things too.

00:28:23.840 So actually,

00:28:25.160 the government

00:28:26.320 is perhaps

00:28:27.800 a little more involved

00:28:29.280 in this

00:28:29.840 than I had intimated

00:28:32.360 in my earlier remarks.

00:28:34.580 We need a new government.

00:28:36.940 Well,

00:28:37.140 it's a minimum

00:28:38.060 of four years

00:28:38.800 and even then,

00:28:40.160 you know,

00:28:40.480 maybe we get

00:28:41.220 a better government,

00:28:42.200 but we are in such

00:28:45.700 a hole

00:28:46.760 on so many fronts.

00:28:48.660 I don't think

00:28:49.380 anyone can dig us out.

00:28:50.640 I think this country

00:28:51.420 has already passed

00:28:52.200 the point of no return.

00:28:53.580 Well,

00:28:54.060 you don't have to convince me

00:28:54.760 of that.

00:28:56.160 But anyway,

00:28:56.800 it's like,

00:28:57.020 oh,

00:28:57.120 let's fix Canada.

00:28:57.800 You can't.

00:28:58.800 It's already

00:28:59.420 fundamentally shattered.

00:29:00.960 You can't put it

00:29:01.600 back together

00:29:02.080 at this point.

00:29:03.680 I guess

00:29:04.280 some of the cyclical

00:29:05.180 nature of a democracy

00:29:06.200 and late stage,

00:29:08.000 I guess you could say.

00:29:08.620 I mean,

00:29:08.800 it begins properly

00:29:09.840 and with good intent

00:29:10.700 and with freedoms,

00:29:11.540 but eventually

00:29:12.040 devolves

00:29:12.580 into the mess

00:29:15.080 that it is.

00:29:16.380 Yeah.

00:29:16.860 And almost needs a...

00:29:18.180 I think Plato

00:29:18.560 had something to say

00:29:19.300 about the cycle

00:29:20.020 and a few philosophers

00:29:22.500 who've hit that.

00:29:23.380 Yeah.

00:29:23.840 And it needs a reset.

00:29:26.080 And unfortunately,

00:29:26.580 those resets

00:29:27.020 can be pretty ugly

00:29:28.060 sometimes.

00:29:28.800 Yeah.

00:29:29.220 I'm not really

00:29:29.780 looking forward

00:29:30.340 to the reset.

00:29:31.760 But I'm not really

00:29:32.960 enjoying what we're

00:29:33.480 doing now either.

00:29:34.240 No.

00:29:34.500 So,

00:29:35.200 okay.

00:29:38.260 Pretty closer

00:29:38.960 to home here.

00:29:42.400 When I mentioned

00:29:43.120 this to you

00:29:43.680 as a topic

00:29:44.560 when you came

00:29:45.040 in the newsroom

00:29:45.480 today,

00:29:45.780 Nigel,

00:29:46.100 you said,

00:29:46.560 well,

00:29:48.420 why would we

00:29:49.260 talk about

00:29:49.760 Menchie and NDP?

00:29:50.900 I guess,

00:29:51.180 is there anything

00:29:51.400 in the news

00:29:51.760 that brought them

00:29:52.220 up?

00:29:52.380 And I said,

00:29:52.740 no.

00:29:53.500 Which is why

00:29:54.340 we should talk

00:29:54.920 about them.

00:29:56.500 The Alberta NDP

00:29:57.260 is a pretty

00:29:59.040 large opposition

00:30:00.600 party.

00:30:00.960 It's got,

00:30:01.340 you know,

00:30:01.680 foreign opposition.

00:30:02.460 I think it's

00:30:02.680 actually the biggest

00:30:03.100 opposition in

00:30:03.680 Alberta's history.

00:30:04.820 It's pretty large.

00:30:06.140 You know,

00:30:06.320 they kept the UCP

00:30:07.520 to a not narrow

00:30:08.500 majority,

00:30:09.440 but a smaller

00:30:10.760 majority.

00:30:12.660 Eby pulled

00:30:14.600 pretty respectively

00:30:15.420 in the last

00:30:16.120 Alberta election.

00:30:18.980 But,

00:30:19.260 Menchie's finally

00:30:20.060 got his seat.

00:30:21.280 But he's been

00:30:22.300 the leader of

00:30:22.980 the NDP

00:30:23.420 for,

00:30:24.080 you know,

00:30:24.300 you mentioned

00:30:24.560 how long,

00:30:24.880 but it's well

00:30:25.300 over a year now.

00:30:26.940 And the NDP

00:30:28.120 is weaker

00:30:29.020 than it's been

00:30:29.860 at any time,

00:30:30.520 I think,

00:30:30.840 since they were

00:30:31.520 first elected

00:30:32.180 to government

00:30:32.860 in 2015.

00:30:34.960 Their fundraising

00:30:36.060 is not great.

00:30:36.920 Their polling

00:30:37.380 is not abysmal,

00:30:39.160 but it's pretty

00:30:40.200 far behind.

00:30:40.760 It's 54 conservative,

00:30:42.540 40 NDP,

00:30:44.440 and six other.

00:30:46.660 They're not

00:30:47.400 doing too strongly.

00:30:49.660 Where,

00:30:50.540 the F word,

00:30:51.860 is Menchie's

00:30:52.360 NDP right now?

00:30:54.200 Well,

00:30:54.440 I think,

00:30:55.260 okay,

00:30:56.100 let's start by

00:30:57.260 saying they are

00:30:58.280 nowhere,

00:30:59.080 and then see if

00:30:59.900 there is anything

00:31:01.360 that we can

00:31:02.060 concede as being

00:31:03.440 a reasonable

00:31:04.060 explanation for

00:31:04.980 that that could

00:31:05.520 change.

00:31:06.340 You could say

00:31:06.960 it's summer.

00:31:07.760 Nobody's interested.

00:31:09.080 Well,

00:31:09.400 that's largely

00:31:10.340 true.

00:31:11.460 The legislature

00:31:12.100 doesn't sit.

00:31:13.120 It hasn't sat

00:31:13.800 since May.

00:31:14.580 It won't sit

00:31:15.080 until October

00:31:15.840 the 27th.

00:31:16.620 And by the way,

00:31:17.120 that's a good

00:31:17.580 thing.

00:31:18.160 When the legislature

00:31:18.860 are in session,

00:31:19.660 they're spending

00:31:20.040 your money,

00:31:21.020 best that they

00:31:21.640 not show up.

00:31:23.820 But it does

00:31:24.760 not give the

00:31:25.860 leader of the

00:31:26.480 opposition a

00:31:27.220 chance to

00:31:27.740 grandstand and

00:31:28.620 make speeches

00:31:29.200 and show off

00:31:30.000 and occupy

00:31:31.160 the TV

00:31:33.600 channels.

00:31:34.400 Now,

00:31:34.620 you made the

00:31:35.120 point that

00:31:35.480 they've got no

00:31:36.020 money.

00:31:36.360 It's actually

00:31:36.740 quite bad.

00:31:38.680 I won't bore you

00:31:39.660 with the details

00:31:40.380 unless you want

00:31:40.860 me to,

00:31:41.260 but they're

00:31:42.820 having trouble.

00:31:43.700 The UCP is

00:31:44.560 not vastly

00:31:45.760 outraising them

00:31:49.080 when it comes

00:31:49.600 to money.

00:31:50.160 And you

00:31:50.460 could say

00:31:50.980 Mr.

00:31:51.520 Nancy is

00:31:52.740 just keeping

00:31:54.900 his powder

00:31:55.460 dry,

00:31:55.960 waiting for

00:31:56.340 the right

00:31:56.660 opportunity.

00:31:57.480 Right now,

00:31:57.980 Smith is

00:31:58.380 riding high

00:31:58.920 in the polls

00:31:59.480 and making

00:32:00.620 good headlines.

00:32:02.120 You're not

00:32:02.620 going to punch

00:32:03.120 through on

00:32:03.520 that.

00:32:03.780 But the

00:32:04.020 thing is,

00:32:04.940 he's actually

00:32:05.740 I don't

00:32:08.120 think he's

00:32:08.560 got a hell

00:32:08.960 of a lot

00:32:09.260 of powder.

00:32:09.900 And what

00:32:10.100 he has

00:32:10.460 been trying

00:32:10.900 to do

00:32:11.160 hasn't

00:32:11.500 worked.

00:32:12.760 He was

00:32:13.040 six things.

00:32:13.720 He thought

00:32:14.000 UCP voters

00:32:14.940 would divide

00:32:15.520 on independence.

00:32:17.160 So he got

00:32:17.820 to get his

00:32:18.280 own better

00:32:19.460 together

00:32:19.900 tour.

00:32:21.400 Nobody

00:32:21.800 goes to

00:32:22.220 it.

00:32:22.840 But you

00:32:23.040 do.

00:32:24.600 No one's

00:32:25.040 even heard

00:32:25.400 of it.

00:32:26.500 That's right.

00:32:27.660 Thomas Lukasik

00:32:28.520 is getting

00:32:28.780 more people.

00:32:30.480 So if you

00:32:31.500 go to the

00:32:31.760 NDP website,

00:32:32.740 you look it

00:32:33.340 up, it

00:32:33.680 says register

00:32:34.280 here.

00:32:34.760 Well, you

00:32:35.340 know, if you

00:32:36.200 want to go to

00:32:36.580 one of the

00:32:36.920 Daniel Smith's

00:32:37.940 Alberta next

00:32:39.260 pals, you

00:32:39.820 just show

00:32:40.240 up.

00:32:40.640 There's no

00:32:41.320 question of

00:32:42.440 it being

00:32:43.500 closed off

00:32:44.240 in that

00:32:44.840 way.

00:32:45.820 So that's

00:32:47.000 not going

00:32:47.600 too well.

00:32:48.260 The next

00:32:48.540 thing is

00:32:49.040 a couple

00:32:53.360 of weeks

00:32:53.660 ago, there

00:32:54.160 was a silly

00:32:54.560 story about

00:32:55.460 the UCP

00:32:57.000 keeping

00:32:57.780 receipts

00:32:58.620 hidden.

00:32:59.820 I don't

00:33:00.340 think that

00:33:00.680 came from

00:33:01.080 the top.

00:33:01.620 I don't

00:33:02.400 know how

00:33:02.560 that was.

00:33:02.840 Well, Smith

00:33:03.280 denied that

00:33:04.120 she knew

00:33:04.380 anything about

00:33:04.940 it.

00:33:05.100 it's a bit

00:33:06.420 odd.

00:33:07.660 It was a

00:33:09.320 misstep.

00:33:10.060 There's no

00:33:10.400 doubt about

00:33:10.720 it.

00:33:11.120 And then

00:33:12.280 she questioned

00:33:12.820 it and

00:33:13.680 Daniel just

00:33:14.300 said,

00:33:14.520 well,

00:33:14.780 all right,

00:33:15.120 we'll make

00:33:16.740 them available

00:33:17.140 again.

00:33:17.480 Fair.

00:33:17.960 Done.

00:33:19.260 So where

00:33:19.580 did that

00:33:19.860 go?

00:33:20.280 Nowhere.

00:33:21.580 We talked

00:33:22.180 about the

00:33:22.480 fundraising.

00:33:23.060 I mean,

00:33:23.220 that's certainly

00:33:23.620 a barometer

00:33:24.200 of how

00:33:26.540 badly

00:33:26.900 they're

00:33:27.160 doing.

00:33:27.980 And the

00:33:28.380 what have

00:33:29.480 I got

00:33:29.760 here?

00:33:29.980 The UCP

00:33:33.200 strong fundraising

00:33:34.260 into early

00:33:34.860 2024,

00:33:35.980 2.6

00:33:36.620 million and

00:33:37.940 quarter one,

00:33:38.840 the NDP

00:33:39.280 only a million.

00:33:40.440 You know,

00:33:40.740 people don't

00:33:41.160 believe in it

00:33:41.680 enough to

00:33:42.080 give them

00:33:42.360 their money.

00:33:43.080 Fourth thing,

00:33:43.940 when the

00:33:44.680 Chinese applied

00:33:45.520 tariffs on

00:33:46.920 canola,

00:33:47.720 he tried to

00:33:48.200 blame Daniel

00:33:49.380 Smith.

00:33:49.760 Well,

00:33:50.240 actually,

00:33:51.220 you can

00:33:51.540 blame

00:33:51.760 somebody,

00:33:52.300 it would

00:33:52.500 be Ottawa

00:33:52.940 because of

00:33:53.560 the

00:33:53.800 tariffs.

00:33:56.080 So,

00:33:56.560 like,

00:33:57.440 you take

00:33:57.920 your dart

00:33:58.360 and you

00:33:58.800 throw it

00:33:59.160 at the

00:33:59.400 wrong

00:33:59.600 target.

00:34:00.460 So that

00:34:01.060 was just

00:34:02.080 the attack

00:34:04.180 on Smith

00:34:04.720 over the

00:34:05.320 Jasper

00:34:05.780 wildfire

00:34:06.420 is just

00:34:06.780 fizzled.

00:34:08.220 It wasn't

00:34:09.960 credible

00:34:11.740 that her

00:34:13.880 attempts to

00:34:16.020 control the

00:34:16.760 situation

00:34:17.260 would have

00:34:17.580 been resented

00:34:18.100 by the

00:34:18.700 townsend

00:34:19.300 the town

00:34:20.160 of Jasper

00:34:20.640 and it

00:34:20.900 wasn't.

00:34:21.580 That came

00:34:22.020 out.

00:34:22.840 And then,

00:34:23.260 of course,

00:34:23.540 there was

00:34:23.780 that health

00:34:25.260 care scandal

00:34:25.940 as they

00:34:26.360 like to

00:34:26.740 call it

00:34:27.100 where the

00:34:27.540 issue was

00:34:28.300 who got

00:34:28.840 hockey tickets

00:34:30.880 somewhere else

00:34:31.600 and, you

00:34:32.880 know,

00:34:33.280 they just

00:34:33.680 couldn't tell

00:34:34.160 that story.

00:34:35.220 It wasn't

00:34:35.500 that it was

00:34:35.820 such a great

00:34:36.260 thing for

00:34:36.740 the UCP,

00:34:38.500 but that

00:34:38.860 fizzled as

00:34:39.440 well.

00:34:39.680 So every

00:34:40.200 time he's

00:34:40.980 put something

00:34:41.660 out there,

00:34:42.780 it's just

00:34:43.240 going to

00:34:43.520 like that.

00:34:44.960 So Smith

00:34:45.940 basically is

00:34:46.600 just doing

00:34:47.080 too well,

00:34:48.680 using up

00:34:49.240 all the

00:34:49.580 oxygen.

00:34:52.040 Then she

00:34:52.700 thought that

00:34:53.160 he would

00:34:53.520 split the

00:34:54.000 party over

00:34:55.080 independence.

00:34:57.580 Well,

00:34:58.060 if it's

00:34:59.060 going to

00:34:59.320 happen,

00:34:59.600 it hasn't

00:34:59.920 happened yet.

00:35:01.120 So nothing

00:35:02.560 seems to

00:35:03.080 work for

00:35:03.620 them.

00:35:04.160 Yeah,

00:35:04.420 well,

00:35:04.640 it's not

00:35:04.900 just things

00:35:05.280 not seem

00:35:05.640 well to

00:35:06.260 work,

00:35:06.520 but they

00:35:06.700 aren't

00:35:07.180 working.

00:35:08.140 They seem

00:35:08.720 to be incapable

00:35:09.220 of figuring

00:35:09.500 out how to

00:35:09.920 do it because

00:35:10.540 she's given

00:35:11.200 or the UCP

00:35:12.040 has given

00:35:12.340 them some

00:35:12.660 gifts.

00:35:13.200 I mean,

00:35:13.300 you can't

00:35:13.720 beat a

00:35:14.160 health care

00:35:14.540 scandal.

00:35:14.920 You know,

00:35:15.440 as far as

00:35:15.860 getting people

00:35:18.540 worked up

00:35:19.040 and worried

00:35:19.580 and,

00:35:19.980 you know,

00:35:20.180 you could

00:35:20.500 start the

00:35:20.920 fear-mongering

00:35:21.500 or the

00:35:21.880 risks to

00:35:22.380 your universal

00:35:22.860 care and

00:35:23.900 the corporate.

00:35:25.060 And I mean,

00:35:25.780 there was a

00:35:26.300 golden story

00:35:27.180 basically dropped

00:35:28.220 in his lap

00:35:28.820 with it and

00:35:29.780 he couldn't

00:35:30.320 seem to keep

00:35:30.940 that thing

00:35:31.420 with legs.

00:35:32.100 It still

00:35:32.560 hasn't been

00:35:33.000 resolved,

00:35:34.020 but they

00:35:34.620 can't make

00:35:35.100 hay of it.

00:35:35.560 And it's

00:35:36.920 a weakness.

00:35:38.820 Some of it's

00:35:39.520 a speculation,

00:35:40.540 I think,

00:35:41.260 but I've

00:35:41.580 always said that

00:35:42.160 about him.

00:35:42.700 Ninchy's not

00:35:43.300 a team

00:35:43.860 player.

00:35:44.980 He never

00:35:45.480 was whilst

00:35:46.480 mayor.

00:35:47.300 That's why

00:35:47.740 there was

00:35:48.080 the fighting

00:35:48.520 in City Hall.

00:35:49.900 He's always

00:35:50.420 been the

00:35:50.960 quite arrogant

00:35:51.700 smartest man

00:35:52.600 in the room.

00:35:53.760 I don't think

00:35:54.700 he's got his

00:35:55.260 team behind

00:35:56.120 his back

00:35:56.560 very well.

00:35:57.120 He's trying

00:35:57.500 to operate

00:35:57.880 on his own.

00:35:58.640 He's got the

00:35:59.100 psychiatrist back.

00:36:00.200 Yeah,

00:36:00.560 there we go.

00:36:01.620 And they're not

00:36:02.140 infighting necessarily,

00:36:03.160 but he's not

00:36:03.580 drawing their

00:36:04.180 loyalty.

00:36:05.020 He wanted to

00:36:05.540 make a one-man

00:36:06.060 show and it's

00:36:06.560 turned out he's

00:36:07.000 on his own.

00:36:07.920 So,

00:36:08.260 you know,

00:36:08.740 one of the

00:36:09.000 points Nigel

00:36:10.760 mentioned was

00:36:12.000 that,

00:36:12.580 he hasn't

00:36:13.240 had his

00:36:13.500 debut in the

00:36:14.120 legislature yet.

00:36:14.840 It took him a

00:36:15.300 long time to

00:36:15.760 get a seat.

00:36:16.960 I think that

00:36:17.660 was,

00:36:18.340 we've discussed

00:36:18.900 this before,

00:36:19.680 I thought it

00:36:20.100 was a little

00:36:20.400 unclassy of the

00:36:21.340 UCP not to

00:36:22.240 just call the

00:36:22.820 by-election

00:36:23.220 once.

00:36:24.700 It made

00:36:25.060 Carney look

00:36:25.560 good.

00:36:26.080 Yeah,

00:36:26.460 Carney called it

00:36:27.520 pretty much the

00:36:27.980 first available

00:36:28.440 opportunity so

00:36:29.240 that Pollyup could

00:36:29.860 get in as

00:36:30.380 leader of the

00:36:30.740 opposition.

00:36:31.420 That looked

00:36:32.000 good and

00:36:32.460 magnanimous on

00:36:33.140 Carney.

00:36:33.420 Smith and

00:36:34.800 UCP did

00:36:35.520 not do

00:36:36.120 that once

00:36:36.800 Richard

00:36:37.020 Notley

00:36:37.200 designed her

00:36:37.720 seat so

00:36:38.160 that Nenshi

00:36:40.100 could get

00:36:40.480 in.

00:36:41.160 So,

00:36:41.440 yeah,

00:36:41.720 that's

00:36:42.160 delayed

00:36:42.460 things.

00:36:44.200 It looked

00:36:46.080 petty,

00:36:46.840 but Nenshi

00:36:48.020 hasn't been in

00:36:48.820 the legislature

00:36:49.280 yet.

00:36:50.420 Does it

00:36:51.080 matter?

00:36:52.000 Yeah,

00:36:53.100 but Nenshi's

00:36:54.420 already a known

00:36:54.920 quantity in

00:36:55.540 Alberta.

00:36:56.080 It's not

00:36:56.340 like he's,

00:36:57.900 you know,

00:36:58.480 like when

00:37:00.160 Rachel Notley

00:37:00.640 became NDP

00:37:01.260 leader,

00:37:01.840 she would

00:37:02.100 definitely,

00:37:02.580 she needed

00:37:03.160 to have a

00:37:03.700 seat.

00:37:03.920 She had a

00:37:04.280 seat,

00:37:04.660 but she

00:37:05.020 needed it

00:37:05.360 because she

00:37:05.780 was not

00:37:06.320 a household

00:37:07.240 name in

00:37:07.620 Alberta.

00:37:08.020 No one,

00:37:08.420 very few

00:37:09.000 people outside

00:37:09.540 of some

00:37:09.880 hardcore

00:37:10.260 government

00:37:10.940 union circles

00:37:11.680 knew who

00:37:12.640 Rachel Notley

00:37:13.240 was.

00:37:14.660 Everyone already

00:37:15.420 knows who

00:37:16.260 Nenshi is.

00:37:17.820 I don't think

00:37:18.940 on your feet

00:37:19.980 debating is

00:37:20.480 necessarily his

00:37:21.300 strongest point.

00:37:22.080 I'm not sure

00:37:22.380 how weak he is

00:37:23.020 or not,

00:37:23.520 but his big

00:37:25.560 thing is,

00:37:25.840 you know,

00:37:26.660 he could do

00:37:26.980 little video

00:37:27.540 clips and he

00:37:28.020 already does

00:37:28.520 that,

00:37:28.860 but nothing

00:37:29.720 seems to be

00:37:30.400 punching through.

00:37:32.680 So,

00:37:33.280 it's either of

00:37:34.260 you,

00:37:34.460 like,

00:37:34.580 you know,

00:37:34.780 do you think

00:37:35.400 there's going

00:37:35.680 to be a

00:37:35.920 significant

00:37:36.300 difference

00:37:36.840 once he's

00:37:37.440 in the

00:37:37.860 legislature,

00:37:38.460 in his

00:37:39.620 seat,

00:37:39.920 leading the

00:37:40.280 opposition

00:37:40.680 in the

00:37:40.940 House,

00:37:41.960 or not?

00:37:42.800 You know,

00:37:43.440 he made

00:37:43.960 his reputation

00:37:44.680 in 2013

00:37:45.480 during the

00:37:46.540 floods in

00:37:47.660 Calgary.

00:37:49.980 What he

00:37:50.600 did,

00:37:51.120 he very

00:37:51.480 smartly put

00:37:52.240 himself out

00:37:52.800 there in

00:37:53.160 his anorak,

00:37:54.060 got film

00:37:54.700 saying we're

00:37:55.480 doing,

00:37:55.900 everybody stay

00:37:56.480 calm,

00:37:56.900 we're doing

00:37:57.160 what we

00:37:57.460 need to

00:37:57.780 do,

00:37:58.160 things are

00:37:58.980 moving here

00:37:59.540 and there,

00:38:00.420 and that's

00:38:01.100 real leadership.

00:38:02.640 And,

00:38:02.860 you know,

00:38:03.400 as a mayor

00:38:04.060 in a city

00:38:05.860 that's facing

00:38:06.460 a disaster,

00:38:07.720 he did a

00:38:08.820 pretty good

00:38:09.240 job at that

00:38:10.240 time.

00:38:11.400 Two things,

00:38:12.060 though.

00:38:12.200 one is that's

00:38:13.380 like 12

00:38:13.860 years ago,

00:38:14.900 and secondly,

00:38:15.740 that's

00:38:16.340 something that

00:38:16.900 means something

00:38:17.500 in Calgary.

00:38:18.640 In Edmonton,

00:38:19.160 they don't even

00:38:19.600 know we had

00:38:20.040 a flood.

00:38:21.040 They had their

00:38:21.500 own stuff,

00:38:22.240 but they

00:38:22.400 didn't,

00:38:23.120 you know,

00:38:23.500 so that's not

00:38:24.620 really building

00:38:25.520 his reputation,

00:38:27.500 and he may be

00:38:28.260 thinking that he's

00:38:28.900 got more of a

00:38:29.600 reputation than he

00:38:30.460 really has.

00:38:31.960 The other part,

00:38:32.820 I mean,

00:38:33.060 is to whether or

00:38:33.680 not the

00:38:33.900 legislature will

00:38:34.680 help him with

00:38:35.260 that.

00:38:35.440 Now,

00:38:36.840 it remains to

00:38:38.140 be seen,

00:38:39.180 but I know,

00:38:40.580 speaking for myself,

00:38:41.260 watching city hall

00:38:42.160 meetings and so

00:38:42.980 on and how he

00:38:43.480 presents himself

00:38:44.140 in that room,

00:38:45.120 I don't know if

00:38:46.440 he's going to be

00:38:47.140 endearing when

00:38:48.700 he's in the

00:38:49.500 legislature.

00:38:50.320 I mean,

00:38:50.940 when he closes

00:38:51.480 the eyes and

00:38:52.240 puts the head

00:38:52.860 up and does his...

00:38:53.880 He's never done

00:38:54.260 well when he's

00:38:54.720 challenged.

00:38:55.340 You ever just

00:38:55.640 how sensitive

00:38:56.660 he is.

00:38:57.200 Absolutely.

00:38:58.020 So if Premier

00:38:58.620 Smith is firing

00:38:59.320 back and you get

00:39:00.000 the opposition

00:39:00.660 leader losing

00:39:01.300 his cool,

00:39:02.040 that doesn't

00:39:02.760 help in the

00:39:04.380 legislature.

00:39:04.940 We'll see.

00:39:05.420 I mean,

00:39:05.580 he's training

00:39:05.980 up.

00:39:06.280 He's not a

00:39:06.640 dumb man.

00:39:09.120 But I don't

00:39:10.780 know if that

00:39:11.460 legislative time

00:39:12.460 is going to

00:39:12.960 be what gets

00:39:13.580 him to,

00:39:14.200 as we're

00:39:14.580 saying,

00:39:14.880 kind of punch

00:39:15.520 through or

00:39:16.280 bring himself

00:39:17.560 in anywhere.

00:39:18.080 I mean,

00:39:18.240 they're laying

00:39:18.820 their hope on

00:39:19.420 that,

00:39:19.660 I think.

00:39:20.140 But I don't

00:39:20.700 know if he

00:39:21.080 has the

00:39:21.500 personality to

00:39:22.780 do that.

00:39:23.340 Rachel Notley

00:39:23.780 was actually

00:39:24.300 charismatic.

00:39:25.480 She could

00:39:26.020 handle herself

00:39:26.920 well in

00:39:27.800 opposition and

00:39:28.600 kind of smile

00:39:29.380 and poke at

00:39:30.020 them.

00:39:30.160 But I don't

00:39:30.500 know if

00:39:31.000 my head's going

00:39:31.880 to do that

00:39:32.320 effectively.

00:39:32.980 Every time

00:39:33.160 I see him,

00:39:33.780 I think of

00:39:34.160 Gilmore

00:39:34.460 Gowan on

00:39:34.960 what we've

00:39:35.360 lost.

00:39:36.880 They're not

00:39:37.480 moving the

00:39:37.860 polls.

00:39:38.240 The NDP

00:39:38.500 are at

00:39:39.200 40%.

00:39:39.720 That's down

00:39:40.440 roughly,

00:39:41.400 I think,

00:39:41.900 five-ish or

00:39:42.420 so from

00:39:42.840 the election.

00:39:45.120 UCP at

00:39:46.160 54,

00:39:47.560 up roughly

00:39:48.740 four points.

00:39:49.420 There's been a

00:39:49.800 couple of

00:39:50.420 few points

00:39:50.960 shed to

00:39:51.360 other.

00:39:53.580 There's

00:39:54.020 about half a

00:39:54.840 dozen seats

00:39:55.420 if it sort

00:39:55.980 of translates.

00:39:56.740 Yeah,

00:39:58.000 so the NDP

00:39:58.440 would lose

00:39:58.960 seats today.

00:40:00.320 The NDP

00:40:01.040 vote was

00:40:01.480 very efficient

00:40:02.100 for its

00:40:02.560 vote.

00:40:02.800 The NDP

00:40:03.040 outperformed

00:40:04.080 generally what

00:40:04.680 they should

00:40:05.100 do,

00:40:05.920 but they

00:40:06.540 unified the

00:40:07.220 left pretty

00:40:07.580 hard behind

00:40:08.020 them.

00:40:08.520 But the

00:40:09.800 NDP is

00:40:10.580 now back

00:40:12.140 in Calgary.

00:40:12.720 In Calgary,

00:40:13.160 the UCP

00:40:13.800 is leading

00:40:15.180 by four.

00:40:16.440 In Edmonton,

00:40:17.020 the two

00:40:17.260 parties are

00:40:17.760 statistically

00:40:18.380 tied.

00:40:19.580 The NDP

00:40:20.300 has won

00:40:20.940 every single

00:40:22.000 seat in

00:40:22.560 Edmonton

00:40:23.020 since 2015.

00:40:25.080 Ten years!

00:40:25.800 It's been a

00:40:26.200 decade and

00:40:26.840 they've held

00:40:27.120 every single

00:40:27.660 seat.

00:40:27.920 Right now

00:40:28.200 they're

00:40:28.340 statistically

00:40:28.840 tied.

00:40:29.820 Now,

00:40:30.040 again,

00:40:30.240 you have

00:40:30.380 to look,

00:40:30.720 how's that

00:40:31.080 going to

00:40:31.240 break down

00:40:31.580 in actual

00:40:31.920 seats?

00:40:32.300 Hard to

00:40:32.640 say,

00:40:33.180 but it

00:40:33.420 means they're

00:40:34.160 probably

00:40:34.340 going to

00:40:34.560 lose a

00:40:34.820 couple

00:40:34.980 Edmonton

00:40:35.360 seats.

00:40:35.800 And the

00:40:36.600 NDP

00:40:36.900 are 34

00:40:37.840 points behind

00:40:39.120 outside the

00:40:39.820 two big

00:40:40.220 cities.

00:40:41.220 And the

00:40:41.500 NDP

00:40:41.780 simply cannot

00:40:42.780 win unless

00:40:43.220 it starts

00:40:43.740 winning some

00:40:44.800 of the

00:40:45.000 small cities

00:40:45.520 that they

00:40:45.800 won in

00:40:46.500 25th,

00:40:47.720 small cities

00:40:48.740 and some

00:40:49.320 northern rural

00:40:50.360 ridings that

00:40:51.920 they won in

00:40:52.340 2015 due

00:40:53.440 to so-called

00:40:54.540 vote splits

00:40:55.220 without opening

00:40:56.340 that can of

00:40:56.780 worms too

00:40:57.120 much.

00:40:58.820 That's 34

00:40:59.580 points behind

00:41:00.540 outside the

00:41:01.120 two big

00:41:01.440 cities.

00:41:01.760 They have

00:41:02.020 no chance

00:41:02.660 of picking up

00:41:03.760 any of those.

00:41:04.480 Right now

00:41:05.100 there's no

00:41:05.540 mathematical

00:41:06.060 path to

00:41:06.680 victory.

00:41:07.380 Still two

00:41:08.280 years to go

00:41:08.840 until the

00:41:09.200 next election.

00:41:10.300 Campaigns

00:41:10.780 matter,

00:41:11.200 people pay

00:41:11.540 more attention,

00:41:12.220 all sorts of

00:41:12.700 things can

00:41:13.040 happen.

00:41:14.480 But if there

00:41:15.180 was one area

00:41:16.260 of vulnerability

00:41:17.340 and Nigel

00:41:19.180 touched on

00:41:19.900 this,

00:41:20.640 it was

00:41:21.100 perhaps around

00:41:22.040 independence.

00:41:22.600 Independence

00:41:23.780 is supported,

00:41:25.680 depends on

00:41:26.400 the poll,

00:41:27.080 roughly one

00:41:27.620 third of

00:41:27.980 Albertans,

00:41:28.540 up to

00:41:28.880 40%.

00:41:29.900 45 is

00:41:31.520 the very

00:41:31.900 highest we've

00:41:32.360 ever seen

00:41:32.840 it in some

00:41:33.320 polls.

00:41:35.340 But among

00:41:36.180 UCP supporters,

00:41:37.660 66%,

00:41:38.560 two thirds of

00:41:39.520 UCP supporters

00:41:40.180 support

00:41:40.500 independence,

00:41:41.460 one third

00:41:41.780 are opposed

00:41:42.200 to it,

00:41:42.900 whereas NDP

00:41:43.440 voters are

00:41:44.960 about 98%

00:41:46.480 unconditional

00:41:47.640 federalists

00:41:48.260 against

00:41:48.840 independence,

00:41:49.980 full stop.

00:41:50.960 So as an

00:41:52.280 issue,

00:41:52.600 that's actually

00:41:53.760 pure partisanship,

00:41:56.180 that's a good

00:41:56.620 issue for the

00:41:57.280 NDP.

00:41:57.980 They're on the

00:41:58.540 side of

00:41:58.840 majority support.

00:42:00.400 The other

00:42:00.720 side can't

00:42:02.720 be on the

00:42:03.780 side of

00:42:04.160 majority support

00:42:04.820 because it'll

00:42:05.300 split the

00:42:05.740 party,

00:42:06.040 two thirds

00:42:06.360 of the

00:42:06.560 UCP's

00:42:07.080 voters

00:42:07.500 support

00:42:08.900 independence,

00:42:09.500 probably

00:42:09.700 significantly

00:42:10.820 higher among

00:42:11.560 party members.

00:42:13.100 So that

00:42:13.540 should be

00:42:13.980 good for

00:42:15.140 the NDP.

00:42:16.080 But ever

00:42:16.660 since

00:42:17.060 independence

00:42:18.120 has flared

00:42:18.500 back up

00:42:18.920 again,

00:42:19.340 the NDP

00:42:19.660 has actually

00:42:20.020 dropped in

00:42:20.920 the polls.

00:42:22.340 Explain the

00:42:22.900 math of that

00:42:23.300 to me,

00:42:23.540 Corey.

00:42:24.320 I'm not

00:42:24.940 quite sure

00:42:26.180 because it

00:42:26.620 would be a

00:42:27.040 good wedge.

00:42:27.500 I mean,

00:42:27.620 that's one of

00:42:27.980 those things

00:42:28.360 that's a

00:42:28.640 deal breaker

00:42:28.980 for a lot

00:42:29.400 of people.

00:42:29.840 That's not

00:42:30.300 a fuzzy

00:42:31.180 one.

00:42:31.600 You're often

00:42:32.040 either in

00:42:32.660 or out,

00:42:33.120 and he's

00:42:33.320 not capitalizing

00:42:34.260 well on it.

00:42:35.140 But I think

00:42:35.520 Smith has been

00:42:36.500 very effectively

00:42:37.780 straddling the

00:42:38.820 line in keeping

00:42:40.020 her party

00:42:40.640 members happy

00:42:41.840 with it,

00:42:42.260 but not taking

00:42:43.400 an overtly

00:42:44.160 independent

00:42:44.580 stance because

00:42:45.260 then that would

00:42:46.300 be the deal

00:42:46.780 breaker for a

00:42:47.300 whole lot of

00:42:47.620 Albertans.

00:42:48.060 It's kind

00:42:48.400 of along

00:42:48.580 the lines

00:42:48.780 of even

00:42:49.080 we'll

00:42:49.660 respect the

00:42:50.500 right to

00:42:50.940 hold a

00:42:51.220 referendum,

00:42:52.020 but no,

00:42:53.480 we're not

00:42:53.740 an independence

00:42:54.260 party.

00:42:54.800 And if 30%

00:42:55.920 of people

00:42:56.200 voted or 40%

00:42:57.120 to go into

00:42:57.500 a referendum,

00:42:57.960 I think it

00:42:58.220 would leave

00:42:58.380 Smith very,

00:42:59.040 very strong

00:42:59.520 saying we've

00:43:01.000 got a really

00:43:01.460 big growing

00:43:02.160 problem here

00:43:02.960 and we will

00:43:03.700 fix it so

00:43:04.200 that 40

00:43:04.580 doesn't turn

00:43:05.060 to 60,

00:43:06.620 which I

00:43:07.500 know enrages

00:43:08.060 some of the

00:43:08.460 hardcore

00:43:08.880 independence

00:43:09.600 money when

00:43:09.940 they say

00:43:10.240 things like

00:43:10.800 that,

00:43:11.120 but it's

00:43:11.360 worked well

00:43:11.840 for her to

00:43:12.260 kind of sit

00:43:12.700 on both

00:43:13.120 sides of it

00:43:13.700 and not

00:43:14.120 letting it

00:43:14.520 she turned

00:43:14.920 it into

00:43:15.240 a witch.

00:43:16.120 She keeps

00:43:16.640 the regionalists

00:43:17.900 happy,

00:43:18.460 but doesn't

00:43:19.200 fully go over

00:43:20.000 towards an

00:43:20.480 independence stance

00:43:21.200 which would

00:43:21.640 cost her

00:43:22.140 dearly.

00:43:22.560 They've tried

00:43:22.860 to paint her,

00:43:23.540 they've called

00:43:23.960 her that in

00:43:24.560 multiple videos

00:43:26.000 and then she's

00:43:26.460 put out saying

00:43:26.840 she's a

00:43:27.220 separatist and

00:43:27.700 her party

00:43:28.000 separatist is

00:43:28.860 not grabbing

00:43:30.240 because they

00:43:30.700 aren't.

00:43:31.320 Well, the party

00:43:32.020 members are.

00:43:32.720 Well, some of

00:43:33.200 them are, yeah.

00:43:33.620 Most of them.

00:43:34.220 But either way,

00:43:35.500 it's not worked.

00:43:36.940 Okay, we ought

00:43:38.260 to put a pin

00:43:38.640 of that there

00:43:39.100 because we're

00:43:39.660 almost out of

00:43:40.120 time.

00:43:41.060 Our party

00:43:41.500 shots, we'll

00:43:42.280 start with you

00:43:42.780 today, Nigel.

00:43:43.520 Okay, so

00:43:44.720 we all remember

00:43:45.620 how a few

00:43:46.140 years ago

00:43:46.800 the German

00:43:47.800 Chancellor

00:43:48.300 visited Canada,

00:43:50.300 visited with

00:43:50.940 Mr. Trudeau,

00:43:51.880 said we really

00:43:52.740 want to buy

00:43:53.140 some natural

00:43:53.660 gas.

00:43:54.680 Mr. Trudeau

00:43:55.320 woke him to

00:43:55.820 the end of

00:43:56.200 the dog,

00:43:56.880 faced the

00:43:57.260 cameras and

00:43:57.740 said there

00:43:58.160 isn't a

00:43:58.440 business case

00:43:59.040 for it.

00:43:59.900 Yesterday,

00:44:01.640 and we were

00:44:02.540 scandalized,

00:44:03.700 yesterday Prime

00:44:05.100 Minister Mark

00:44:05.640 Carney says

00:44:06.440 upgrades to

00:44:07.200 ports in

00:44:07.780 Montreal and

00:44:08.660 Churchill,

00:44:09.320 Manitoba

00:44:09.880 could be on

00:44:10.680 the list of

00:44:11.360 major infrastructure

00:44:13.380 projects fast

00:44:14.780 tracked by the

00:44:15.560 federal government

00:44:16.300 as it aims to

00:44:17.880 strengthen Canada's

00:44:18.900 economy.

00:44:20.320 Port expansions

00:44:21.280 would enable

00:44:21.940 shipments of

00:44:22.880 liquefied natural

00:44:24.100 gas out of

00:44:25.720 Canada.

00:44:26.440 Who knew there

00:44:27.480 really was a

00:44:28.240 business case?

00:44:29.220 And Mr. Carney

00:44:29.860 is the central

00:44:31.160 banker, has

00:44:32.060 drafted.

00:44:32.800 And we saw

00:44:33.140 the Polish

00:44:33.940 ambassador was

00:44:34.840 on the CBC

00:44:35.500 and he was

00:44:37.320 asked, the CBC

00:44:38.360 reporter, what

00:44:39.200 do you think

00:44:39.400 about buying

00:44:39.760 Canadian

00:44:40.160 liquefied

00:44:41.160 natural gas?

00:44:41.740 He says, oh

00:44:42.060 you already

00:44:42.380 are, just

00:44:42.980 from the

00:44:43.240 Americans at

00:44:43.720 a markup.

00:44:44.880 Yeah.

00:44:46.420 Well, there's

00:44:46.980 a business

00:44:47.260 piece.

00:44:47.840 Like, for

00:44:48.160 God's sake.

00:44:48.940 Why didn't I

00:44:49.260 think of that

00:44:49.600 first?

00:44:50.820 We don't

00:44:51.500 deserve this

00:44:52.260 piece of

00:44:52.640 land.

00:44:53.040 We sit on

00:44:53.320 sides.

00:44:55.020 Court,

00:44:55.620 just a quick

00:44:56.120 shot at

00:44:56.660 Canada's

00:44:57.400 silent service,

00:44:58.580 the RCMP,

00:44:59.880 whereas I was

00:45:00.300 driving back

00:45:00.740 from BC

00:45:01.180 yesterday, an

00:45:02.100 accident on

00:45:02.820 the Rogers

00:45:03.400 Pass on the

00:45:03.960 Trans-Canada

00:45:04.580 Highway,

00:45:05.100 corked it up

00:45:05.620 solid.

00:45:07.140 As many as

00:45:08.300 probably, because

00:45:09.040 6,000 vehicles

00:45:09.940 a day used

00:45:10.440 that route, it

00:45:11.900 was corked for

00:45:12.340 eight hours.

00:45:13.180 We were stuck

00:45:13.540 sitting in hot

00:45:14.200 weather, no cell

00:45:16.100 coverage on that

00:45:16.800 highway, and the

00:45:18.200 police could not

00:45:18.820 give us an update,

00:45:19.580 would not tell

00:45:20.120 anybody what is

00:45:20.900 going on, how

00:45:21.680 much longer it

00:45:22.380 might be.

00:45:23.660 Part of their

00:45:24.200 bloody job is

00:45:24.900 communication, and

00:45:25.580 I don't know why

00:45:26.080 the RCMP just

00:45:26.860 feels like everything

00:45:27.580 is a need-to-know

00:45:28.320 with Canadians, even

00:45:29.440 down to that.

00:45:31.420 Well, they didn't

00:45:31.700 even tell when there

00:45:32.280 was a mass shooting

00:45:33.020 going on in

00:45:33.500 Nova Scotia.

00:45:34.000 In Strathmore, when

00:45:36.120 there was a guy

00:45:36.580 shot two people

00:45:37.440 and a truck was

00:45:38.140 rampaging and

00:45:38.880 running around, the

00:45:39.380 RCMP wouldn't tell

00:45:40.220 us.

00:45:40.780 It's just par for

00:45:41.760 them, and it's

00:45:42.320 tiresome, send a

00:45:44.000 car to drive down

00:45:44.960 the thousands of

00:45:45.960 people baking on

00:45:47.040 that highway on

00:45:47.680 each side of that

00:45:48.360 just to let us

00:45:49.660 bloody know what's

00:45:50.340 going on.

00:45:51.360 Oh, it was

00:45:51.840 long.

00:45:52.240 Eight hours?

00:45:53.500 That is bonkers.

00:45:54.720 It tested Jane and

00:45:55.520 I's relationship, I'll

00:45:56.380 tell you that.

00:45:57.180 If you made it

00:45:57.920 through that, you'll

00:45:58.360 make it through

00:45:58.720 anything.

00:45:59.180 Well, she didn't

00:45:59.860 kill me, so it

00:46:00.540 was a plus.

00:46:01.920 Maybe then the

00:46:02.520 RCMP shows up.

00:46:03.240 Okay, I want to

00:46:05.900 point out my new

00:46:09.260 favorite internet

00:46:10.380 sensation, this

00:46:11.360 12-year-old girl

00:46:13.180 from Scotland.

00:46:14.520 Let's throw the

00:46:15.560 original image up

00:46:17.840 first before we

00:46:18.800 put up that AI

00:46:19.580 image.

00:46:20.480 Many of you have

00:46:21.320 already seen it.

00:46:21.900 I just got to

00:46:22.420 point it out.

00:46:24.580 We were kind of

00:46:25.300 talking about some

00:46:25.680 of the madness in

00:46:26.340 the UK.

00:46:27.000 People arrested for

00:46:27.840 yelling, I love

00:46:28.520 bacon.

00:46:29.360 People going to

00:46:30.260 jail for memes.

00:46:31.400 the UK's

00:46:33.380 police willfully

00:46:35.640 ignored migrant

00:46:37.540 grooming rape

00:46:39.600 gangs.

00:46:42.420 Rape for all

00:46:44.060 countries in

00:46:45.020 Europe that have

00:46:45.560 high migration

00:46:46.360 rates is way up,

00:46:48.240 up, up, up.

00:46:49.020 People don't want

00:46:49.900 to talk about it,

00:46:50.560 but it's a real

00:46:51.100 issue.

00:46:51.820 Can't be ignored.

00:46:52.660 Everybody knows

00:46:53.180 about it now.

00:46:54.140 And a little

00:46:54.480 12-year-old girl,

00:46:55.940 maybe overzealously,

00:46:57.220 I don't know, I don't

00:46:57.820 know the circumstances,

00:46:58.620 armed herself with

00:47:00.220 some blades because

00:47:01.960 she's worried about

00:47:03.860 these migrant rape

00:47:04.740 gangs going around

00:47:05.560 in Scotland, and

00:47:07.120 she got arrested,

00:47:08.120 a little 12-year-old

00:47:08.720 girl.

00:47:09.040 So let's show the

00:47:10.260 picture there.

00:47:12.460 I mean, she looks

00:47:13.420 like Bill the

00:47:14.440 Butcher from

00:47:15.680 Kings of New York,

00:47:17.000 or, so I've said

00:47:18.100 Braveheart, let's

00:47:19.000 put that, the AI

00:47:20.120 image up.

00:47:22.340 Yeah, kind of

00:47:23.440 capturing the

00:47:24.520 spirit of Scottish

00:47:26.420 resistance to

00:47:28.360 the madness that

00:47:29.920 is consuming

00:47:30.580 Scotland, the

00:47:32.520 UK, Europe, and

00:47:33.500 all Western

00:47:34.680 civilization right

00:47:35.540 now.

00:47:36.680 So, tip of

00:47:37.700 that to her, at

00:47:38.760 least based on

00:47:39.260 what we know so

00:47:39.700 far.

00:47:40.820 All right, Corey,

00:47:42.620 Nigel, thank you.

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Western Standard - August 30, 2025

THE PIPELINE： Where the f＊＊＊ is Nenshi’s NDP？!

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