00:00:45.020Running the newsroom for us while Dave D1 is on vacation.
00:00:51.480And filling in for Nigel is our director of operations, Josh Andrus.
00:00:56.600Some of you have seen him filling in on other shows, too.
00:00:59.100uh we have been without a human rights complaint for a few weeks now um and it's not that's not
00:01:09.680your guys fault um i'm not even sure it's the fault of easily offended lefties i think it's
00:01:17.280my fault for not being offensive enough so uh like one of the topics is why is pride so gay
00:01:24.700we're gonna try and get a see if we get another human rights complaint uh talking about this
00:01:29.040today. Pride parades taking place, most notably the Toronto Pride. Very weird stuff. Some of it
00:01:36.280almost certainly warranting criminal charges for pedophilia and public exposure. But the
00:01:44.260controversy around politicians attending or not attending Pride parades of this kind. We're going
00:01:51.700to talk about it. I don't think Pride always was this gay. It seems gayer. Not in the actual gay1.00
00:01:58.140way, but in the gay way. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? All right. Josh can't hold0.74
00:02:04.620himself. As Paulie have lost his mojo. I mean, it's been over a year since the federal election
00:02:12.320that the conservatives, which were widely expected to win, obviously lost. He seems to have lost his
00:02:18.480mojo. He's reshuffled his shadow cabinet just now. A bit of a change up in his frontline bench.
00:02:26.220We're going to talk about that. But we're going to begin, Corey, with a court victory for the independence movement.
00:02:34.100I guess in short, it is not a violation of Indigenous treaty rights to count the signatures of people who wanted an independence referendum, it seems.
00:02:45.320Yeah, I mean, it's bizarre that that even, you know, welcome to our courts, right?
00:02:48.920So it was, I guess, the first part of a bunch of appeals that are going through over the whole ruling from Justice Leonard.
00:02:56.300It shut down the petitioning just after it had 300 and some thousand signatures had been presented to Elections Alberta.
00:03:11.760So the recent ruling was a stay of that portion of the other ruling saying Elections Alberta is allowed to count and verify these signatures now because how on earth does that violate a treaty right, my lord?
00:03:26.780They've gotten into some detail and reading into things, treaty rights.
00:03:29.800But the rest of the injunction still kind of stands.
00:03:32.940The premier can't schedule a referendum based on that question at this point or Elections Alberta can't present the premier with a suggestion to hold a referendum.
00:03:40.520that's still going through the appeals court, but it still is a big victory in a sense that
00:03:45.240a lot of questions have swirled around whether the signatures are legitimate, whether
00:03:49.080improper use of electors lists have been contributing to the signatures. So Elections
00:03:55.640Alberta can now start that process of vetting and checking and establishing whether those are valid,
00:04:00.840which will be a, it's a big step forward. Josh, the, you know, Nenshi and some of,
00:04:08.040I think Kenny have one way or another been going around saying, you know, hey, this whole independence thing is clearly legally fraught because it's, you know, violating treaty rights.
00:04:23.640You see that more from the hard left side, like Nenshi and the NDP, some federal liberal MPs saying that, you know, right off the gate, this is illegitimate because the courts say this violates First Nations rights.0.96
00:04:39.000That was always a bullshit line of argument.
00:04:43.560But now that the courts have taken that away and it was always going to take that away.0.99
00:04:48.540Do you think this has, you know, the referendum is already scheduled now, which is a government one. It's effectively the combination of the two citizens initiative referendum questions, just combining them. That was going to happen, I think, one way or another anyway. But it's not technically citizens initiative. Referendums happening anyway. But do you think this court ruling is going to have any measurable impact on the campaign for independence or federalism one way or another?
00:05:13.480Well, I think when it comes to discussion, it's important to note that, you know, you want to see, especially on the independent side, the brakes moving your way.
00:05:22.320And I think this is a break in the right direction.
00:05:24.440I think once they actually start getting into the signatures and start verifying them, if they find out that this is a legitimate process, go ahead.
00:05:34.480You know, you got to get pucks on net.
00:05:36.500You got to get the brakes going your way.
00:05:37.980Hey, Andre, if you're watching, TSN, I'm available.
00:05:42.500But, yeah, no, it opens the door to dealing with what has been,
00:05:47.260I don't want to call it a damaging argument.
00:05:49.800I've always thought it was BS anyways.
00:05:51.300But to have the ability for the courts to verify these signatures,
00:05:56.400and if once, hopefully, they get them verified.
00:05:58.780I mean, 300,000 signatures is quite a bit,
00:06:02.120and it'll strengthen the hand of the independents crowd.
00:06:04.780And I think that's like I mean, it's one of those things where in moving forward and getting these votes, you need to eliminate as many of these, you know, attacks as you can.
00:06:15.300And it is it's the fact that they're going around claiming that this is illegitimate because the courts have ruled that they can't even count or verify, I think, is is a little bit of a stretch.
00:06:24.640like and again it begs the question and this is a serious constitutional conversation about how far
00:06:31.600the duty to consult goes is it you know like is it up to the proponents i noticed core blonde i don't
00:06:38.080think uh explicitly uh ever answered us with our questions about whether he got his uh stop the coal
00:06:45.280petition there or uh consulted with indigenous on that so pretty sure he did no yeah so i mean
00:06:53.200it's it how far does this go is it directed at one um i would have liked to see the lucasic petition
00:06:59.680also go through the court process um i'd like to see if the standard would have applied to that as
00:07:04.640well i mean it's it's the same concept right i mean it's a question you know it's an independence
00:07:09.200question at the end of the day so yeah i think but uh at the end of the day when it comes to
00:07:15.120uh four guys like cory uh for keith wilson and let albert decide and other groups i think it's
00:07:21.600it's a good step in the right direction I just hope it it comes out clean I hope that none of
00:07:26.860the salted names from the elections Alberta list end up uh on the petition list I know elections
00:07:32.960Alberta is going to be looking for that uh so I don't I'm hoping that that isn't the case but
00:07:37.700that's where I want to go yeah my question to David um so the uh one of the bizarre lines of
00:07:47.820attack against the independence campaign uh from some of the federalists has been um well this
00:07:54.320centurion project david parker thing that is alleged uh you know not proven but is alleged
00:08:01.880to have used uh you know improperly obtained lists from elections alberta and they knew that because
00:08:08.060yeah there was these salted names on it um if that's true or not they have been alleging i think
00:08:16.000much less credibly that the Centurion Project was just taking those names and somehow putting
00:08:23.420them on to the Independence Citizens Initiative petition. Now that we're going to get the
00:08:32.960signatures verified, and it's kind of a moot point because we're just having the referendum
00:08:36.260anyway, although it's a semi-moot point because it's a different referendum question. It's a
00:08:41.200clearer, cleaner question. But those names and signatures are now going to be verified by
00:08:46.960Elections Alberta rigorously. You can bet they're not going to give it a pass.
00:08:53.080You know, this now means very likely Elections Alberta is going to go through these and likely
00:08:59.960conclude that, yes, these are legitimate bona fide signatures. This is valid, has legal standing.
00:09:06.340and no this was not the centurion project copying and pasting from the electors list to it uh
00:09:13.840that is likely i think to take away that line of argument from the other side that
00:09:18.460literally everything is a conspiracy from the centurion project well that's what i was wondering
00:09:23.100because that was kind of my thing just my conspiracy theory mind because i was mitch
00:09:27.280sylvester said they had nothing to do with the centurion project for the most part and they
00:09:31.060talked about all the stuff they had to do for the signatures for them like i think they had to give
00:09:35.280what, like physical addresses, et cetera, et cetera, had to have like photo ID.
00:09:39.260So I think that maybe in Stay Free Alberta's mind, in Mitch's mind, all, well, maybe not
00:09:44.380all 300,000 signatures they have are valid, but I was just wondering what would happen
00:09:48.100if they had nothing to do with Centurion Project and they somehow, out of the 3,000 that they
00:09:54.380say are verified signatures, they got less than 178,000.
00:09:57.900This is just my conspiracy theory mind going on here.
00:10:01.280Because if they had no part of the Centurion Project, then why do you think there might
00:10:05.040be some sort of shenanigans from somebody shall we say about them maybe getting less than the
00:10:09.300needed ballots if they're verified i so i i think you know the general agree the general uh
00:10:14.720the um the common answer is generally you need a 10 buffer at least yeah i think it was 178 000
00:10:23.180or something yeah but you should generally have a 10 buffer uh for any of these things see if
00:10:27.400you're trying to run as a candidate in an alberto or federal election you need you know like 100
00:10:30.860signatures for people in the constituency so you get 110 because some of them yeah the address is
00:10:34.980going to be wrong or it's illegible or you know various reasons to not count that signature so
00:10:39.840you need a buffer of 10% to be safe yeah uh I was gonna say even if they got 200,000 they're
00:10:45.280verified it's still that you would complain that there's like well we say we had 300,000 so what
00:10:50.840happened to maybe another 50,000 vows that we think should have been verified do you think
00:10:54.580there's gonna be any controversy with that I don't think so like people are forgetting the
00:10:57.580Lukasik's petition about 30,000 were taken off of his after he submitted for those sorts of reasons
00:11:03.180the people you can read it or it was out of profits it's par for the course to have some
00:11:08.700removed and just so people know like the process how elections alberta does they're not going to
00:11:12.860check all 300 000 what they'll do is a a large sampling they'll phone some people say did you
00:11:18.780think they well for this ground though no they already say that it's a process of uh i mean a
00:11:23.900significant sampling unless they see more issues to make them go deeper but if they're going to take
00:11:29.100say 10 which is still massive we're talking 30 000 yeah and you start calling some people you
00:11:33.580compare them with lists you look for duplicates you uh of course they're going to look for the
00:11:38.220salted names that'll be a quick yeah but and they'll try to check them all for that but i'm
00:11:43.580talking the degree of of uh you know following up and checking on these and then if they find
00:11:49.420an error rate that is disproportionate or too far like typically they will apply the error rate they
00:11:54.460found to the rest of the signatures if they find a bunch of duplicates though or if they've called
00:11:59.660a number of people who said i never signed that or things like that then they're going to
00:12:03.100investigate further but having seen the petitioning gone out to some of those stations as you said
00:12:08.540they were demanding people bring identification they were sending people home if they had just
00:12:13.980a box numbers a lot of rural people do saying you got to get a phone bill like they were being
00:12:17.260meticulous i i just find it very hard to believe that volunteers that were trying that hard and
00:12:21.980working that hard would have falsified yeah i i saw these people it was yeah it was uh not just
00:12:28.900sign here and move on no it was meticulous i mean i think we saw that from both the referendum
00:12:34.400petitions to the uh forever canada one and the state free alberta one both of them were doing
00:12:39.140that so i uh i really i imagine it's going to go forward but i i think that this will take an
00:12:46.660important talking point away from the federalists that no this is not a this was this was legitimate
00:12:53.400this was bona fide these are real people eligible to vote there's a lot about and you know if they
00:12:57.340can rub it in ninchy's face because that bs out of him which is typical ninchy but seriously when
00:13:01.900he was he was literally calling for the entire petition to be thrown out he wanted it burned he
00:13:06.540wanted it trashed even before verifying checking or counting and that is just completely grossly
00:13:13.180unfair at least have it counted i mean if there was something in there we'll all be critical of
00:13:17.420it but yeah to try and call for that to be chucked out before even checking on it uh so if this comes
00:13:22.700out clean i mean not that then she'll care but they've got a very much in your face and she sort
00:13:26.700of yeah and and from my standpoint too and going back uh if tsn is watching i'm about to make a
00:13:32.140sports analogy but it's the equivalent of getting an injured player back middle of the season right
00:13:37.260Like you've got, you know, it's, you've got a situation where a big aspect of this movement was the signature collection process and building that grassroots movement, which, you know, powers that be have decided to, you know, use the courts and so on and so forth to try and minimize that.
00:13:55.620and what you'll get it once they're verified is you get that back right you get like a whole bunch
00:14:01.880of people that probably felt as if their their work was not worth anything that might be reactivated
00:14:09.060into this movement a lot of people that when the story broke about the century and project that
00:14:13.620walked away might come back right so it to me like i said it's the equivalent of getting an
00:14:18.120injured player back middle of the middle of the season and also let's remember uh i i can't say
00:14:23.980is definitively on the Federalist Lukasik side,
00:15:52.860You know, that excitement that he had been really able to build from his leadership campaign on, really until the resignation of Justin Trudeau, he lost it.
00:16:03.020And he's not been able, he was criticized for not being able to pivot from affordability issues towards the boogeyman of Trump.
00:16:10.620And I know whatever you think of the seriousness of the boogeyman of Trump, it had the concern of enough voters that it obviously mattered for the election materially.
00:16:19.720But the issues have continued to evolve. Now you've got mass migration as front and center for huge numbers of people. You've got culture of Canada itself at risk, all of these things. And he seems to still be on the affordability issue. Not that affordability has gone away as an issue, it continues to get worse.
00:16:44.620But he reshuffled his cabinet, his shadow cabinet, you know, the main front line of critics on his front bench today, yesterday.
00:16:54.500And he says, this is the this new shadow cabinet is the affordability shadow cabinet.
00:16:58.740Its priorities are affordability, affordability, affordability.
00:17:02.460OK, it's a big issue, but it's really missing a lot of the elephant in the room.
00:17:08.340I still don't think he's found his mojo, Dave.
00:17:11.260i yeah you know i i think we've been saying this for a while i mean after trudeau was gone what
00:17:17.420did he really have to be honest because when carney comes in carney can basically maybe just
00:17:20.980take some of the stuff he's talked about like you know what why do we do some of that and then
00:17:24.120everyone just praises carney i just you know they've been going down in the polls a bit and
00:17:28.840i've always said and i've said this before i think it has to do with a lot of people don't like
00:17:32.540poliev personally there's some seems to be something from a lot of people i've talked to
00:17:36.320not even conservatives but liberals as well that they just seem to not there's something about him
00:17:40.880they don't like person they might agree like yeah affordability is an issue but like you said he's
00:17:44.580never talking about the elephant in the room which we've said in the past i think is immigration
00:17:47.920because that goes to a lot of things housing crime affordability etc that he does not want to touch
00:17:53.220and i just don't really see a path forward for him to be honest with you but then i'm thinking
00:17:59.240the conservatives are probably looking at and going well if we get rid of him who are we going
00:18:02.660to replace him with and just you know how many months ago was the conservative convention in
00:18:06.400calgary the national one yeah yeah he got like what and what was it 80 was it 86 or 87 percent
00:18:14.340approval rate so there's still a fair amount of the party that's behind him but i mean just going
00:18:18.760forward and getting voters i don't have a clue how he's going to do that even going forward because
00:18:22.580now if he switches over to immigration or starts talking about that more well i think there's some
00:18:26.680people are going to be saying well where have you been for the last like six months to a year
00:18:29.700and then again like i said if carney decides to be like well we're going to start reshuffling our
00:18:33.460immigration policy then what's he going to do you know so i think it might be a little too little
00:18:37.140too late for paulia as a whole but i don't see how his numbers are going to go back up unless
00:18:40.640carney totally bottles it somehow well the conservatives cory have been afraid of their
00:18:46.200shadow on immigration forever i mean it was traditionally it was a shield issue it was a
00:18:51.200defensive issue for conservatives because oh we don't want to get called racists and all of this
00:18:55.740and that's been the case really in most western democratic countries for a very long time
00:19:01.620But in every country in the West where the right is ascendant, it is due in at least very large measure or primarily due to them seizing the immigration question.
00:19:17.660You have Reform UK, and possibly to an extent, Restore UK as well.
00:19:37.420Now, what all of those have in common is that they're new insurgent parties.
00:19:42.660And in the case of the Republicans, you know, it's an insurgent president who took over the establishment.
00:19:46.460But in the UK and Germany and France, these are all, they're not the traditional conservative center-right parties.
00:19:52.980These are insurgent, new disruptor parties that have taken over.
00:19:59.760And Canada is an outlier in that there is no major party talking about migration, at least in a big way.
00:20:08.360It's a topic now, and the conservatives, and even the liberals are more comfortable talking about restrictions on this more than they were, you know, say,
00:20:16.460Two years ago, obviously, the Overton window was moving faster than anyone can chase it.
00:20:21.020But none of the parties have gotten anywhere close to the Overton window.
00:20:24.360And I think this is a real risk for Polyev that he is still very much afraid of this issue.
00:20:31.300He's touching it now, but he's just poking it.
00:20:35.020I think sometimes they've got to find out and realize, guess what?
00:20:38.140They're going to call him a racist anyway.
00:42:53.780But, you know, like, it was just like, it's one of those things where there's so many, like, Alberta, throughout our history, we've had large segments of immigrants coming here seeking opportunity and the opportunities that this province can provide.1.00
00:43:06.220And when you get immigration levels and the type of imports that we're getting, it damages, you know, it damages them in the community a bit.1.00
00:44:43.380Independence debate. I'm going to be debating Mount Royal University Professor Dwayne Bratt on independence. Former Alberta Cabinet Minister and National Post columnist Donna Kennedy Glanz is going to moderate it. It's going to be at the Glenmore Inn and Conference Center at 530 the next day after the barbecue, July 9th. The Stampede Showdown. It's going to be great. Tickets are cheap, cheap, cheap. Ten bucks a piece. It's just to cover the basic costs of the event.
00:47:07.700Get your tickets for that or just RSVP for that.
00:47:10.500That's there's no tickets, but also definitely get your tickets for the independence debate coming up between me and Professor Dwayne Bradt the next day on July 9th.
00:47:19.440Thank you very much for joining us today and God bless.