THE PIPELINE： Why is the PPC supporting Alberta independence？
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Summary
Western Standard columnist Nigel Hannaford returns to The Pipeline after a long weekend to talk about the People's Party of Canada's new stance in the Alberta referendum, and why it's a bit of a head scratcher. Plus, why is a federal political party, ostensibly dedicated to Canada, supporting a referendum on a part of that country, leaving it?
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I'm Derek Fildebrandt, publisher of the Western Standard, and you're watching The Pipeline.
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I'm joined, as usual, by Western Standard senior Alberta columnist, Corey Morgan.
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And already back out of retirement is former Western Standard opinion editor, Nigel Hannaford.
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So, you just kind of had a long weekend, and you're already out of retirement.
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Well, it's going to be a lot of long weekends, isn't it?
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Because I'm just coming in to do Pipeline every now and then, so every week, actually.
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So, yeah, you're going to be back, still doing The Pipeline with us.
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And your passionate pen will continue to grace our pages with your column at least once a week here.
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Since we're talking about the passionate pen and the column, don't forget to check in with Hannaford tomorrow.
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And we've got Yaroslav Baran explaining some of the nonsense in Eastern Canada.
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Well, we're going to be talking about why the People's Party of Canada, note the last part of the name on that party,
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the People's Party of Canada, has endorsed the yes side in the expected upcoming, at some point, not yet set, Alberta referendum on independence.
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So, why is a federal political party, ostensibly dedicated to Canada, supporting a referendum on a part of that country, leaving it?
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Everyone already knows, I'm sure, everyone listening, watching knows, about Nova Scotia's ban on walking in the forest or going fishing.
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But there's been a new development on that front.
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The ban on hiking and fishing, because fishing on the water might create a forest fire.
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That ban no longer applies, as long as they ask first, to First Nations natives.
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So, now, I guess, the ban on fishing and hiking in Nova Scotia is going to be racially based.
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But first, we're going to start with mass migration mania.
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The floodgates of mass migration have been thrown wide open in Canada over the last five years.
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We already had mass migration for a long time before it.
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But then the gates were just thrown completely open five, six years ago.
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Mark Carney, as a part of his campaign to reassure the Canadian people, said that he is not Justin Trudeau, said he's going to bring those numbers down.
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We have a report from Blacklock's reporters on our pages today that the cap he has put in is, well, they're not really living up to the cap.
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They don't even know how many people they've got in.
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You know, a lot of people have just sort of, you just intuitively know that immigration is taking off like a rocket.
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There was a time when you had to be highly qualified to come to Canada at all.
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25 years ago, we've got a lot of family reunification.
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Somebody wants to bring members of their family in so they can enjoy the benefits they've been experiencing themselves in Canada.
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And around about 200,000 people a year would come in.
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And I think after a lot of years, when it was 400,000 and 500,000 during the first years of Mr. Trudeau's reign, we hit a million new people in Canada.
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Not a million new Canadians who had all gone through the sausage machine, but just people here.
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They were either students on working visas or people brought in to work.
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But the answer is that nothing else that Mr. Trudeau was doing economically was working.
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But having all these people coming in, finding a place to live, buying food, buying cars, buying gas, gave the false impression of a prosperous growth within Canada.
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But, of course, the downside of it, as we all know, hit the housing market first, the rental market.
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Now, Mr. Carney was asked a question during his campaign.
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He said, look, we've got to get a grip on this thing.
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But the story this morning is we haven't got a grip on it.
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The immigration levels in the first third of the year, this year, outpaced Prime Minister Mark Carney's promised cap on quotas.
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Figures released by the Department of Immigration for the first 120 days of this year indicate that we will exceed 400,000 immigrants in 2025.
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I think it gives the federal government the illusion of prosperity and busyness.
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Corey, I partially agree with Nigel on the why.
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But I think it's, and we see this in Western countries everywhere, I think it's more than just trying to juice the overall gross national product, gross national product here.
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I think it's, I think it's trying to stack the electorate because, you know, the progress of this worldview is that so-called old stock Canadians are reactionary.
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You know, they're racist, gun owning, vaccine hesitant, except, you know, add whatever epithets you want to it.
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But I think it's, in their view, a way of also, in the long term, intentionally changing the demographic and therefore electoral makeup of the country.
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I mean, that's a bit more taboo to get into, but hell, for at least just standard, we can say what we want here.
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I don't think it's just artificially juicing the GDP numbers.
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It's, I think it's an intentional, uh, intention, policy, intentioned and designed to change the makeup of Canada.
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I think, I'm thinking this began more, though, is that juicing of the economy.
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I mean, they, they only ever had one economic measure they could keep pointing to.
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Not GDP per capita, because, yeah, your pie is growing, but the people eating it are outpacing the growth of the pie.
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Uh, but the political ramifications, absolutely.
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I mean, we look at a recent thing, too, where the government put out a big invitation when he's saying he's going to be controlling this.
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And he's saying, oh, by the way, everybody invite your grandparents and your parents to come over now.
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That's going to pressure the health care system further.
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That's going to, you know, all of our systems are housing the rest.
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But what it will do is make some of those new Canadians very happy.
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They're reunited with their family, and they're hoping, anyways, that gratitude is going to be expressed at the ballot box.
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So I think there's very much a political element to it.
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I mean, the new Canadians coming over might not have citizenship and time to vote, but the families they're reuniting with will, and they want to keep that block.
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I can't remember which minister it was or which liberal it was when they were asked about, why are you taking this particular stance on, again, one of the things in the Middle East?
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This is, well, you know, how many Jews there are in my riding versus how many Muslims are in my riding?
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Yeah, you know, so unfortunately, it ties very much into their electability and building the demographic they think they need to build to win.
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Well, as you're saying, I mean, like now, Canada's foreign policy is not dictated by what is in the Canadian national interest.
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It is, and foreign policy in all democratic countries has to keep an eye on domestic opinion.
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But domestic opinion is changing with mass migrate, unrestricted mass migration from around the world.
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And that means even more so than in a normal country, you know, our foreign policy is dictated by, you know, which diaspora population are we able to please or not aggravate, etc.
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A diaspora politics is in large, pretty much runs our foreign policy at this point.
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But it has nothing to do at this point with what's in the national interest now.
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And I think that's been going along for a long time.
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To your point about bringing in people who can be relied upon to vote liberal, that is probably what the liberals are thinking.
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Because the liberals like to work through community organizers.
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They talk to one person, and he goes in and tells the community, which doesn't speak English very well, these are the people you need to vote for.
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During the Harper years, what we discovered was that a lot of immigrants come from socially conservative countries.
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And they're not coming here because they like the social policies that the liberals are pushing.
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Well, that's very much the business of white atheists to promote those policies.
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If they vote liberal, it's in spite of those policies, not because of them.
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And the fact that they can bring their parents.
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So, it's not quite as impenetrable as I had assumed before I went to Ottawa.
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Jason Kenney did very well at what you're calling diaspora politics.
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Well, there really was that one election with the Harper majority in 2011 where they were successful in diaspora politics.
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At least in negating the liberal advantage in it.
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In general, it does trend towards progressivist, leftist parties.
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And I think, you know, a big part is, you know, they're relying on leftist identity politics, victim hierarchies.
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Saying, okay, well, you might come from country XYZ where you may have a more traditional view of the family unit, etc.
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Here's your point system, add up your victim level.
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And, I mean, it doesn't work on all, obviously.
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Yeah, but it does work to a pretty extensive degree, especially beyond just the social policies.
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You know, if you have a traditional view of family, etc.
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We're going to give, you know, some money for you to help build XYZ cultural center for your people.
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And that has created a bidding war in all of the parties on the left and the right.
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The right does this too now because they have to, politically, to be competitive at all in many constituencies, in Alberta, and anywhere in Canada.
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To be competitive, you have to engage in this bidding war of diaspora politics.
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You've got to show up and eat the food, do the dance, bow to the right thing.
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You know, and we're starting to see that now that we're hitting a tipping point of such large segments of these populations.
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Diaspora, again, yeah, they're escaping those areas.
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And there are very large, significant, politically active populations on both sides of that issue.
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And it's very politically dangerous waters to wade into.
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And the liberals have been good at kind of playing both sides.
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But it can blow up really badly on you with that.
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So it dictates our foreign politics, our foreign policy.
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Like our entire relationship with India has very little to do with what's in our national interest on trade, on security, etc.
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It has to do with diaspora politics between the Sikhs and the Hindus.
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Like, you know, giving a cold shoulder to Modi.
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The liberals have come to the realization that within Canada, the Sikh voter base is significantly more important than the Hindu voter base.
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Therefore, you're going to take shots at Modi, who's a Hinduist, you know, not perceived as that friendly towards the Sikhs.
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And meanwhile, we lose out on potentially billions in trade.
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They're sacrificing our economic well-being for their bloody partisanship.
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Meanwhile, we don't actually know with any certainty how many immigrants we have in Canada and what their status is.
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We know how many have come in, but we have no idea if they're still here.
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And once they're here, there's the honor system when it's, oh, your visa's up.
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We expect you just purchased a ticket and went home, right?
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And that's part of the problem when you have insular communities like that, actually, when it comes based on that.
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Yeah, because that's how undocumented or people who aren't legal can manage to maintain within a country, because if they stay in the tight community, you can find ways to keep working.
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So we've put this cap on, or Carney's put this cap on, which was still an extraordinarily high cap.
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I mean, to be fair, Player Polyev in the election called for a cap as well, lowering our cap.
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Neither party seemed particularly interested, probably for reasons of diaspora politics, to get serious about controlling mass, unrestricted mass migration.
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There's one other area, though, and there are elements of the business community, particularly, say, in the service area and such, where they wanted temporary foreign workers, because they've been having a difficult time finding affordable local labor.
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It drives down on the cost of labor, you know, below levels that, you know, otherwise lower-income, working-class Canadians are willing to do.
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You're going to bring in people who are happy to work at that level, and it undercuts our lower working-class.
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It's another aspect of the incentives for the liberals to continue to talk big but do nothing when it comes to this.
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You know, there's more to be said on that subject.
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People say, well, you know, they take the immigrants because the immigrants have a higher work ethic than, you know, the Canadian-born kids or whatever race they may come from.
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However, there is also a very strong ethnic preference in hiring.
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So, if you have somebody from this community who's got a business, he tends to look for people of his own kind for them to work.
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And it is resulting in Canadian young people born in Canada having much more difficulty in finding part-time work, summer jobs, and things like that.
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Because the jobs are all going to, like, little hiring halls that are ethically based.
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I mean, you're, you know, you're, you know, say new or relatively new to here.
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You establish a business, part of your social support network.
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Maybe, yeah, there's government stuff, but no one cares about that.
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That's, you, you're, you know, you're doing a favor to your friend.
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You've now built, you know, you've put some mortar in between the bricks of your social structure there.
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And so, that's a perfectly natural and normal thing to do.
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That's always understandable, and there's not helping with people who are already here who are supposed to be benefiting from immigration.
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There is a wider thing with, I guess, spoiled Western work ethic, in my view.
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Like, owning a pub, service industry, I would try to hire local kids, but, boy, they don't show up on time.
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But I tell you, and when you start that route, and I started getting Filipino workers in my kitchen.
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They would reach out to the community to find other people who wanted to work in there.
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So, it's hard to, and, you know, this isn't a guy starting as a Filipino employer.
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The reason for our show is Filipino, and I'm convinced they're a work ethic.
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The guy running the show right there, John Filipino, and arguably the hardest working guy here.
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But either way, you know, I just always get a laugh out of some of the people.
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Where I want to know, I want to know is, where are the unions?
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Unions, which are supposed to, in theory, represent the interests of the organized labor working class.
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Now, most unions now tend to be the government sector, working in very often white-collar office jobs.
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But, you know, even the private sector unions, you know, where you're supposed to be able to go get a job,
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not have to necessarily have a bunch of post-secondary degrees to do it,
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and support the broader interests of the working class.
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The single, you know, working class voters are voting more on the right now.
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Working class voters are very conscious of the problems around mass migration.
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But the union leaderships themselves are definitely silent on mass migration,
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which brings in people willing to work cheaper than someone who's maybe grown up in Canada,
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It's the single biggest threat to the working class in Canada, and they're utterly silent.
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You know, I never thought I'd hear Derek saying, where the hell are the unions?
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I mean, it used to be the lunchbox carry-and-trade unions.
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It's the, like, they're the ones dominating the political class anyways.
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You know, they've gone more into the woke politics.
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The Gill McGowans even aren't as big on the old school, you know,
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They're tying themselves into woke causes instead.
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I think that union block's still there, but nobody's speaking for them right now.
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you get ones that at least speak to the single biggest issue facing the working class.
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I was going to get, actually, I'll ask Gil McGowan to call it a Hannaford show.
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Uh, yeah, I mean, if it's in person, we'll probably have to bring security in for it.
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I'd like to see what, you know, the union bosses have to say on these issues.
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Well, you know, they'd probably disagree on everything,
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but they should theoretically agree with us on this.
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This is, as we were saying, big business is the ones that like cheap, unrestricted mass migration.
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They get to completely flood out, you know, the wage force, you know.
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I mean, that's one of the reasons why unions like minimum wages applied even outside them is it sets a floor.
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It's probably a bad idea, but it is technically upward pressure.
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Some people who aren't worth the minimum wage, well, then they just fall on social assistance.
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And you can argue about how good a trade-off that is or not.
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But this creates downward pressure on wages, massive downward pressure.
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And people doing pretty well, they're not all that affected by it because it's at the lower levels where this pushes down.
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The ones are going to lose out to artificial intelligence.
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Artificial intelligence is going to kill upper-class jobs.
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It's artificial intelligence that won't unplug my toilet.
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The only people with jobs are going to be left with jobs soon.
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So, this has got everyone on both sides in a tizzy.
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You know, you've seen him kind of defending this.
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But, you know, he was defending it saying, well, you know, most of the critics of this,
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they're all coming from points west, as he put it.
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I don't think he's actually incorrect when he says, you know, these Westerners are more
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libertarian and, you know, they're, and I don't like it when he's sort of piping
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But he's saying, you know, we're more communitarian out here.
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I think, actually, in many ways, we're more communitarian.
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I'm, I'm building a, I'm building stuff around my property with my neighbors, doing things
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that are kind of almost quasi-municipal, but we don't bother asking a government.
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We just come together, pool our resources, pool our labor, do it ourselves.
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We're communitarian, just on a more private, voluntary level.
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But, okay, I guess what he's saying is, the more communitarian may be on the state level,
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But, um, so, if, um, you know, and everyone's admitted, including the government officials,
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that, yes, walking in the forest or going fishing isn't going to create a fire, but some other
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people will go there and do some dumb things, so we have to do this.
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And I'm, I'm willing to actually grant the theoretical possibility they could be correct.
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All governments do is curtail rights, and sometimes that can be justified.
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But I'd say, after the last decade we've had, there's very little reservoir of goodwill
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that we trust the government to know where to draw the line in the curtailment of rights
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We went through COVID, where rights were stripped away without any evidence, or often in the face
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of contrary evidence, um, where people were legitimately oppressed and discriminated against
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for no discernible, uh, actual public good outcomes.
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So, yeah, we, we don't have a lot, a very big reserve of goodwill to trust the state on these things.
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Um, okay, so that's, that's the argument going on there.
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But what really just made this chef's kiss for me was when the Nova Scotia government
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So, uh, you know, going for a hike in the forest, uh, going fishing, these things could
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But, if you happen to belong to a First Nation, um, then the risk might not be so great.
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Um, I don't know, uh, is this the difference, I'm gonna get in trouble on this one.
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Is this the difference between an Indian fire and a White Planned fire?
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All right, John, I don't know where to go with the answer with that one.
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But, I mean, they're inviting this kind of discussion because the absurdity of this.
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They're just getting so bold and blatant and showing that this has absolutely nothing to
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Because it's clearly not a fire risk, uh, about fire risk now.
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I mean, I, I, I brought many, many safety guys to tears during my 20 years in the oil field.
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No, I was the surveyor who defied the safety guy who undercut, who fought with the safety
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I like to see the guy who shows up in his pickup truck drunk, fired.
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I like to see the guy who's blasting down the cut line on a quad with no helmet on and jumping
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I don't like the twits and morons though, who start imposing stuff where there really
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Like, for example, they started with ATV bans in the woods and things like that.
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Those are hot items that could start a fire and there could be a problem.
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But when you start to ban hikers, that safety guy's gone wild, where they just go to the
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And then it also shows that they tend to be also the ones who are woke to the max as well.
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Well, oh dear, we've got a first nations play that's coming up and they're going to be very
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If it had been any other play or heaven forbid, a Christian singer.
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Which I think most of us don't mind or care, but it is.
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And they're just scared of canceling that to upset them.
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There's no race less likely to light a fire than another.
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Or if we wanted to dig down into some stats, we might find some stuff they really don't
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Oh, we're going to have to cap our spiciness right there.
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But it's just bureaucrats gone wild and they've got the authority.
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And I'm glad this happened with this because it exposed just how stupid it is.
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It's when governments don't have any imagination.
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But they want you to become a partner with them in enforcement.
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And I'm just amazed that people will even tolerate it for a moment.
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Well, and real safety is difficult, but bans are easy.
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You know, if, but it's funny that most often, at least we could do a bit of a cost benefit.
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I mean, how many children die in swimming pools every year across the country?
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If we wanted to reduce it to zero, there's only one way.
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You'd make reasonable mitigations like white garden.
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Fencing around the pools, training, lots of things.
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But you do have, we have accepted that as it sits right now, a number of children are going
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To be honest, I won't be shocked if it gets to a point where they start banning the bloody
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If you're going to ban people from walking in the woods, because that's the only way they
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think they can reduce the human ability to light a fire to zero, as ridiculous as that
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sounded 10 years ago today, apparently it's just a shrug of the shoulders.
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Well, it'd be the same with the only way to eliminate auto accidents, just the ban.
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And of course, we've decided that that is not reasonable.
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There's things we can do to mitigate things, but people are still dying every single day
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I think this is actually, this kind of government overreach actually creates danger.
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You know, I remember saying during COVID that I hope to God we don't actually get the big
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Like if we, a real bug, we're, you know, like one of, you know, one of these movies
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where it's like, it's the black death and it's a genuine crisis, you know, I mean, a
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restriction of your freedoms can in some circumstances be justified if the trade-offs are
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appropriate, if you're not going intentionally too far.
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There is a circumstance under which lockdowns could make sense, theoretically.
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But the abuse of government power by virtually nearly every government around the world, and
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especially in Canada, during COVID, made sure that it destroyed our trust in institutions.
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It destroyed social trust to the point where if we got the big one, if we got, you know, Black
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Plague coming, so many people, if it happens within, I think, 15 years of COVID here, people
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Yeah, people are, people will not follow reasonable recommendations or reasonable restrictions.
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You know, you do have to curtail some activities during a forest, a high risk of forest fire,
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like, I rigged my quad every single day around my own land here, but if we were under a fire
00:30:29.000
watch, I understand that, okay, maybe that could create a grass fire on my land.
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Yeah, you got a manifold outside, tall dry grass, okay, we'll wait.
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That would be a reasonable restriction, but if the government's always, and if the government's
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going around banning me from hiking or fishing, clearly things that have no impact whatsoever,
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I'm less likely to trust the more reasonable restriction that, hey, right now, you probably
00:30:53.140
shouldn't ride your quad because it could cause a spark.
00:30:55.420
Well, the measles resurgence, I'm blaming to a degree, total overplay of the COVID vaccines
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We had everybody, you know, a tipping point of people taking up the measles vaccine for
00:31:10.840
And suddenly now there's people are saying, I don't trust vaccines for measles and I'm not
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Now we're seeing measles popping up on the scene again.
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That was the fault of them breaking the trust with COVID.
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The governments always try to gather power and it's sort of the unique achievement of
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the governments of the Anglosphere in the last couple of hundred years, inspired by liberty-minded
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philosophers who actually step back and say, no, people should be free to do what people can
00:31:45.660
do safely, but now we're seeing what we're seeing the kind of overreach you're seeing in
00:31:53.180
Nova Scotia and in New Brunswick and in Newfoundland and people have lost confidence in the old liberty
00:32:01.160
idea and I say, yeah, sure, here's my wrist, put the handcuffs on or just make me safe.
00:32:06.420
You have written in the past, Corey Morgan, that there's a war on motorcars.
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The secret plan is to have a lot less motorcars and people to be a lot less mobile.
00:32:23.120
Keep them in 15-minute seats and if they have to go somewhere, let them rent a golf cart.
00:32:27.760
Well, or if it's public transit, then boy, it's much easier to kind of...
00:32:31.420
Yeah, but then you kind of got people literally where you want them and I would make this proposition
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to you and it sort of relates back to the forests.
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The ability to go where you go is the true definition of freedom.
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If you can go where you want to go and you don't have to get your sign off or a permit from
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Yeah, it's, well, we've, and this can, it can lead us to conspiracy, seeing conspiracies
00:33:09.180
and sometimes we'll see them because they, maybe they are there, but it'll also lead us
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to see things that are not there because our, our trust in institutions, our formerly high
00:33:19.020
trust society is no longer a high trust society.
00:33:21.640
Um, and so we, we've lost, um, and this might rub off on otherwise, uh, institutions that
00:33:37.920
Um, but I'm probably just naturally more suspicious of, you know, the medical institutions in general
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because they threw their lot in and got political.
00:33:47.540
Uh, I mean, you can't trust some wings of, of even the scientific community now because
00:33:53.060
they've made themselves explicitly political, be it on global warming, uh, on vaccines.
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Uh, and so, but this is going to rub off then on people who have not violated our trust.
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So to your point about the scientists, many fit the description that you've given them,
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but here's another illustration of where the central government moves in and creates the
00:34:18.380
opinions that it wants because scientists need money to do research.
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They don't much care what the research is, but they do need the money.
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So the government sets up the guidelines for giving grants that you have to think certain
00:34:37.140
So try and get, prove the point, try and get a grant as a climate scientist that says,
00:34:44.200
no, all this stuff about global warming is way, way overrated.
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But if you take the other view, then you will, uh, much, have less better chance anyway.
00:34:57.960
So again, yes, some of our, some of our friends have let us down, but you can see why.
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So just, uh, just, just giving a pat on the back to the honest scientist.
00:35:20.620
Um, but, uh, Maxime Bernier did a live stream the other day.
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Um, as both of us, as, uh, people who have led small fringy parties before, both on the
00:35:37.260
independence issue, we both, I think are particularly well, uh, uh, positioned to be able to speak
00:35:43.040
to this, uh, small parties have to do bold, sometimes even outrageous things to get attention,
00:35:51.080
Um, but the People's Party of Canada, a populist right-wing, um, but ostensibly still Canadian
00:36:01.080
Nationalist and Federalist Party, has now endorsed the yes side of the likely still-coming referendum
00:36:14.280
Well, speaking of putting party interest ahead of national interest, here's a fine example
00:36:21.960
I mean, the, the, the PPC under Maxime Bernier sort of has a, uh, a base of support that's
00:36:28.760
It hasn't grown, but it hasn't really shrunk either.
00:36:31.060
It shrunk from the high point they hadn't called it.
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I'm just saying, speaking more in the last couple of years, uh, but they need money.
00:36:40.160
And I'm only guessing, but I would bet a bulk of their supporters are concentrated in Alberta.
00:36:44.760
And of all parties where the bulk of the supporters would be independence-minded supporters, his
00:36:57.340
Let's put that out there because it is counterintuitive to a federal party.
00:37:01.060
I mean, he did put out other things talking about reducing, you know, federal incursions
00:37:04.800
into provincial jurisdiction and, and other policy moves.
00:37:07.740
But to be a, an ostensibly federal party to say that you support the dissolution of the
00:37:13.740
federation through a vote in another province, it's just bizarre.
00:37:20.540
I, I mean, we, we sort of have been saying it for quite some time to 30.
00:37:23.660
I mean, I just, I think his motivations are just purely driven on, on trying to keep that
00:37:30.700
Uh, I mean, is he going to gain any of his support in Ontario or Quebec or anywhere else?
00:37:42.060
But you know, he could use this excuse if he wanted to.
00:37:46.360
Let's get a strong pro-independence vote in Alberta.
00:37:50.700
And then we can maybe extract a better deal out of the federal government, which I still
00:37:57.200
Uh, and he said, like in the 1995 Quebec referendum on independence, he voted yes, uh, because
00:38:02.780
he felt that, you know, after Charlottetown and Meech Lake, things have been frozen.
00:38:06.640
The ambitions of Quebec nationalists had been thwarted.
00:38:12.620
I think most people who voted for independence in the Quebec, well, whatever they were voting
00:38:17.820
Uh, but most people voted yes, I should say, voted for independence, but a sizable minority
00:38:22.920
of them wanted to push, to use this as a gun to the head of Canada to obtain reforms.
00:38:29.340
Uh, but I mean, if we got a yes vote on independence in Alberta, like our, our proposed question is
00:38:36.640
It's not the Quebec one where it's, what does yes mean?
00:38:51.120
After that vote, the only discussion needs to be, okay, uh, I'll take the kids, uh, Monday
00:38:58.020
You take them on the weekend and who you get the house.
00:39:11.140
Um, so I get what he's saying, but perhaps he's approaching this from the view of a Quebec,
00:39:17.080
uh, of at least many Quebecers who saw a yes vote for independence in, uh, in Quebec as
00:39:23.040
a way of extracting more from the federal government, getting more decentralization in the kind that
00:39:29.360
Many Quebecers do view the independence movement as a way to do that.
00:39:37.780
Something Ted Byfield mentioned a couple of times.
00:39:40.340
I remember back when I was leading the AIP too, though, was it was refederation and it
00:39:45.240
was more along the premise almost though, that, yeah, I guess if, if, if the federation
00:39:49.120
fell apart, we could redraft it with a new contract and, uh, province leaving could be
00:39:56.600
So the negotiations begin, but now we're at the beginning of the negotiations as independent
00:40:00.120
nations, and we're going to try to come together under a new agreement.
00:40:04.000
Well, I've, I've argued before, like, like sometimes I've asked people the question rhetorically,
00:40:08.100
if Alberta was an independent country right now, would we join Canada?
00:40:14.500
No one, no one would ever, even the most hardcore federalists, they have to admit,
00:40:22.400
Um, but you know, we've, you know, Alberta independence has thought up with the other
00:40:27.500
If Alberta went, there's a very good chance Saskatchewan would follow, probably start a
00:40:32.540
Quebec is then gone because Quebec would have to pay into Canada.
00:40:35.520
And that means at that point, then BC, maybe Manitoba and territories come along.
00:40:39.460
And then it rates the question, would Canada just be refounded?
00:40:45.760
Because I fundamentally, uh, you know, I didn't grow up not liking Canada.
00:40:51.680
I grew up as a passionate Canadian nationalist.
00:40:53.640
And I, if it was possible to save Canada, that would be my preference.
00:40:57.120
I think it's the preference of most even hardline Alberta nationalists.
00:41:00.300
I no longer want to be outvoted by the East all the time because they have crazy ideas.
00:41:04.260
I think we just have very separate conceptions of the role of government, how we want to
00:41:09.620
Um, but yeah, I, I, I, so I think that's kind of what Bernier is arguing, not to actually
00:41:16.280
recreate the country again, but that it would, it would create, uh, a political circumstance,
00:41:21.400
political facts on the ground that would lead to broader reform of Canada.
00:41:26.720
But I, I, that's not what would happen if we got a yes vote.
00:41:32.220
Or at least then it, that's pulled the string, a string on the sweater that made it unravel.
00:41:36.120
And, you know, whatever happens after that, I, I think if any one province leaves the
00:41:40.180
Federation, the Federation's done, whether it's Quebec or Alberta or Saskatchewan.
00:41:46.720
I, our reason for leaving would more or less go away, not entirely, but we could then probably
00:41:54.240
We could probably make Canada work without Quebec.
00:41:58.380
That, that chunk, the problem with Quebec is, well, we're getting, we're going to
00:42:01.340
going down a rabbit hole, you know, but it is a geographic problem.
00:42:04.860
We have an interest when, when you free trade, but the country such, uh, when the
00:42:08.400
maritimes are subtly isolated and, uh, then we've got some other issues to deal with.
00:42:12.600
Yeah, but they're not exactly going to be a Danzig corridor.
00:42:23.580
Uh, no, I think they, it would be in everyone's interest if Quebec left.
00:42:29.900
Uh, I think we'd probably come to some kind of, uh, anything other than pipelines we could
00:42:35.980
Actually, we might have more leverage to get pipelines through Quebec at that point.
00:42:40.040
I mean, we're pretty soon to convert it on this at the general.
00:42:44.040
You know, you know, the question is whether we should even waste much time talking about
00:42:50.640
He's charming as old get up, charming old wallpaper off the walls.
00:42:55.120
But, um, you know, he, nobody's voting for him.
00:42:58.000
Was it less than 1% in the, uh, in the federal election?
00:43:02.340
I mean, like they had their high point, uh, during COVID.
00:43:12.040
Like Aaron O'Toole ran on pro vaccine passport, pro carbon tax, all of these things.
00:43:18.020
There was a real purpose for the PPC then, uh, Polly have largely changed that, but I
00:43:23.760
think the big risk for the federal conservative party now is on immigration and their language
00:43:32.380
But I, I think people are, I think the Canadian public in general and conservative voters in
00:43:37.600
particular are well to the right of the conservative party on immigration right now.
00:43:42.000
I think if the PPC is to get traction on any major issue and try to have some life come
00:43:52.920
Well, let's put a pin in it and, uh, go to our parting shots.
00:44:00.660
That's a worldwide known with, uh, all those movies coming out, but they had a documentary
00:44:04.580
that, uh, well, documented, uh, an Israeli man saving his family from Hamas on October
00:44:10.980
And they've booted that documentary from the festival.
00:44:13.780
Of course they won't show it, but the weakness of their excuse and kicking that out is that
00:44:19.380
it used a bunch of the footage that Hamas had taken, you know, with their body cams while
00:44:25.540
And the documentarian hadn't gotten permission from Hamas to use the foot.
00:44:41.120
So, I mean, you know, we, though, the reality, they didn't want to show it in Israel sympathetic
00:44:44.940
documentary, but that was the best excuse they could find for kicking it out is the terrorist
00:44:49.020
group didn't give us permission to use the footage they took while they were committing
00:44:54.740
Well, at least they didn't say it was a safety issue.
00:45:12.320
I mean, that's, I assume that you, you dug that one out and brought a cord.
00:45:17.000
I did think, though, it was very significant what Parks Canada did this week.
00:45:23.020
A couple of weeks ago, they kicked Sean Foote, the American Christian rocker, off a, off a
00:45:29.520
Parks Canada site saying that he didn't conform to their values.
00:45:33.460
They had values, you know, and, well, wasn't that nice?
00:45:37.500
Well, last, yesterday, I think it was, there was the unveiling of a plaque in a Manitoba
00:45:47.280
And Parks Canada, in pursuit of its values, has been very strong and saying, oh, you know,
00:45:52.360
residential school system was cultural genocide.
00:45:55.900
And they would put that on the plaques when they were designating some of these schools
00:46:00.660
Well, let's just say that they really do have values.
00:46:05.060
What are we to make of the fact that on this one, there was no reference to cultural genocide?
00:46:11.360
Is Parks Canada, which takes its marching orders directly from the federal government,
00:46:17.460
starting to go, I think, a more moderate view of what the residential school were about?
00:46:24.760
And could it be anything to do with the fact that Mr. Carney's father actually ran a residential
00:46:32.900
There is no evidence that he was a genocidal man.
00:46:35.640
There's no evidence that he was a very reputable public administrator.
00:46:39.720
I love the idea that maybe some truth will start sneaking back into that story.
00:46:51.200
Well, I want to give a tip of the hat, wake of the finger here for China.
00:47:00.620
China, not a state which I'm normally sympathetic with, but they did what you would naturally expect.
00:47:10.120
There was already a big tariff on Canadian canola in retaliation for Canadian tariffs against
00:47:19.680
This was designed to artificially prop up Ontario's mega-subsidized EV industry and get it going.
00:47:29.060
Kind of like what Trump's doing for the American oil industry.
00:47:32.540
But ever since Trump pulled the EV mandates and subsidies in the States,
00:47:36.760
it has pretty much flat-lined the whole industry.
00:47:40.640
Because very few people actually want EVs, unless you have small little drives around
00:47:48.400
But for huge portions of people who live in a place like North America, it's wildly impractical.
00:47:58.880
The liberals have stood by their EV tariffs on Chinese vehicles.
00:48:02.300
And the Chinese have just increased by 76%, 78%.
00:48:08.060
76%, on top of the 100% that was already there, against Canadian canola.
00:48:17.460
I don't think EV manufacturers in Ontario are also in the canola business.
00:48:21.720
It affects primarily Western farmers in Alberta and Saskatchewan and Manitoba,
00:48:27.940
who have one of the biggest market in the world, effectively completely closed to them now.
00:48:36.420
And that's all done to prop up Ontario's, I can't even say zombie,
00:48:40.980
because zombie implies it was actually alive at some point.
00:48:46.020
Propping up Ontario's Frankenstein, that's probably a better analogy, Frankenstein EV industry.
00:48:53.920
So, I'm just glad that we could do our part for Ontario's subsidized EV industry.
00:49:01.740
We're just doing our part for the country, because we never do.
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