A gunman opened fire at a pro-Democrat rally in Pennsylvania on Saturday night, and President Donald Trump survived. Was this an assassination attempt, a rogue employee, or something more sinister? Western Standard editor-in-chief Derek Fildebrandt and reporter Vanessa Broussard discuss the possibility that the president was the victim of a failed assassination attempt.
00:02:40.560Breaking news right now. This is Vanessa Broussard.
00:02:43.360According to you live from Butler, Pennsylvania, we hear shots fired at the rally not 10 to 15 minutes
00:02:49.840after President Trump arrived. He hit the ground. Unheard of yet if he has been hit by gunfire.
00:02:58.160With me tonight is Western Standard publisher Derek Fildebrandt.
00:03:03.440Derek, where were you when you heard the news?
00:03:06.240I was sitting on my back porch, uh, sipping cheap tequila. But, uh, yeah, I, I, and I got the Western Standard
00:03:13.920newsflash actually come across, uh, my phone. So I knew someone was at least working on the weekend.
00:03:18.400Yeah, some, some of us were actually three of us and four of us were. So anyway, great. Look, Derek, uh, you've just
00:03:25.840written a column and you have titled it dark questions arising. I think there are a tremendous number of questions,
00:03:33.760actually, that, that come out of this, this incident. Take, for example,
00:03:41.920is this failed assassination attempt a guarantee of success in November? Like if I were in the
00:03:48.480Democratic Party trying to figure out how we play this one, I think I would just go home. Uh, not only
00:03:55.280we'd love to think this is a lone wolf, but did somebody leave the door open for this kid?
00:03:59.920Uh, that leads us into the whole matter of what happened that day and how could a security breach
00:04:07.920of this magnitude take place when you have some of the world's most professional protection people
00:04:15.280in the business surrounding the president? You say what? So I, I guess on the grand,
00:04:22.240on a thousand foot level, was this just a lone wolf? Um, was this a epic and monumental, uh, breakdown and
00:04:34.400basic secret service protocols? Um, was, you know, was it, uh, to put on the tinfoil hat, was this a plan, uh, involving the secret service?
00:04:47.200Or, uh, uh, maybe in between those two, uh, those two theories?
00:04:52.720Was this allowed to happen? Did he act on his own more or less? But the secret service
00:04:59.280just kind of turned a blind eye for a bit. And that's what I get into in the column is, is, is going
00:05:04.720through the evidence that we've got, you know, I, I've tried, uh, from the biggest, the minute we started the, the
00:05:11.280Western standard, I had a general policy. If I don't want to talk about Trump, I don't want to talk about
00:05:15.440American politics. Let Americans, we can, Canadians can read that stuff there. Uh, ever since the US
00:05:21.200presidential debate, I've been kind of glued to this though. And I, and I've broken all my rules.
00:05:24.880I'm, I'm now, I'm now neck deep in the muck of this stuff. Um, but you know, I'm, I'm pretty resisted
00:05:32.160to conspiracy theories. I, I, it, it's water off my back, but very quickly we started getting a lot of
00:05:40.000real serious evidence coming out of this. I mean, you've got roughly 20,000 people at this rally,
00:05:46.080every single one of them as an amateur video recorder in their pocket. So there's never been
00:05:52.320an assassination attempt or a successful or not like this. There's so much around and, uh, you know, and
00:05:59.680maybe we want to kind of go through some of the major pieces of evidence that we have before us.
00:06:03.760Well, I think we do. I will say that right at the start that I come at this in a slightly different
00:06:08.560way than you do, because generally speaking, I take the view that just because it's a theory,
00:06:13.280it doesn't mean there isn't a conspiracy. Uh, just about everything that happens starts with a couple
00:06:18.160of people getting together and say, you know, we ought to do something. And then here you are,
00:06:21.760you have a conspiracy. But in this particular case, I am persuaded personally, on the basis of what we
00:06:28.880know now, as opposed to what we may find out in a couple of weeks, that this is just one error on
00:06:35.680top of another error on top of another error until you get some something where tragedy was very
00:06:43.520narrowly averted and good luck kicked in. But you are making the argument, I think, that there are some
00:06:50.640serious questions to be asked. So let's, let's start looking at them. First of all, the perimeter.
00:06:56.640Who secures a perimeter? So from, from what I understand, and I admit, I'm somewhat of a
00:07:03.520call a prison study on the secret service. First, was this a hard shot? No. So for those who don't
00:07:11.040know guns, what was this like? So the sniper crooks was on a roof, a perfect sniper nest. He can get in the
00:07:22.000prone position. So, you know, anyone who's ever made a long distance shot. Most hunters aren't able
00:07:28.160to get in the prone position, lay down flat. That is the best way to fire a rifle at any kind of distance.
00:07:35.120Most assassins don't have the ability to do that, because they're, they're operating in a more,
00:07:41.600they're not on a nice, relatively flat rooftop. This guy had a nice flat rooftop. And he is only 120 to 150
00:07:48.720meters away. Now, I've dropped white tails at twice that distance while they're running.
00:07:56.560Now, I admit, I'm, the last time I made that shot, I was pretty proud of it. That's a difficult shot.
00:08:01.920But you know what? I wasn't, I wasn't in training for a presidential assassination. I was just looking
00:08:06.800for dinner. And Trump was a stationary target. And he's a bigger guy. He should be. The guy was not
00:08:14.800far. This was a easy shot. Now, that is to me, the, the best evidence out of the bit of evidence
00:08:22.240that we have right now, that this guy was not necessarily put up to the task by someone high
00:08:27.840up the food chain. Are we watching the X-Files right now? So you know, the smoking man or something.
00:08:32.320The best evidence that he's not put up to this is that he's such a terrible shot.
00:08:38.160On the other side, though, hunters will know the phenomenon of buck fever. When you,
00:08:43.440especially the first time you get, you know, a big target in your crosshairs, your hands get shaky,
00:08:50.480your steady is more on aim, adrenaline is pumping through you. And I would imagine if that applies
00:08:55.520to a buck, it sure as hell applies to a former president and the leading candidate for president of
00:09:01.040the United States. So it's possible Crooks wasn't the utterly terrible shot that we're all kind of
00:09:07.440chuckling at him for being. It's possible he was a reasonable shot, but the adrenaline overcame him.
00:09:12.400But this was not a difficult shot to make. And what about his decision to go for the head rather
00:09:16.960than the chest? I mean, obviously, a head shot will do it if you make it. But the better shot is normally
00:09:23.760the heart. It's a much bigger target. You know, with the head, it might hit the skull in a way that
00:09:32.160actually kind of, you know, might not go through, might kind of deflect. But if you go for the heart,
00:09:37.280even if you miss the heart, you've got two lungs to hit. It's, you know, I'm not a forensic expert.
00:09:43.360I'm not a, I'm not American sniper. But I've shot enough whitetails to know where where you shoot at
00:09:49.040and know enough that, you know, the head is not generally the best place to aim. You want to aim
00:09:54.000for the upper cavity right at the heart. But this was the perfect sniper nest where a guy could lay
00:10:00.640prone to get the perfect shot. He could sit, he was able to place his rifle on the top, on the
00:10:08.080pinnacle of the roof. So you now have a natural resting spot for the rifle. You're in a comfortable
00:10:12.720prone position where you're not breathing heavy. And it's only 120 to 150 meters away.
00:10:19.360How it would not occur to them to secure that rooftop
00:10:26.880defies all logic. I mean, I am obviously not qualified to lead, you know, a presidential
00:10:34.960candidate secret service team. But I feel like I would have known that if they're like, Derek,
00:10:39.360you're you're headed to secret service for the day. I'd be like, well, obviously,
00:10:42.880we're getting these rooftops and easy shooting distance of the candidate. So one of the
00:10:48.240one of the allegations that is doing the rounds on the television shows is that the secret service
00:10:55.040does not actually have the legion of people that we assume that it does. And that because of that,
00:11:01.360they rely heavily upon local police forces when they travel. Now, I can't believe that even local
00:11:11.200police forces wouldn't have thought of that, wouldn't have said, well, we need to secure the AGR building.
00:11:17.760So that does open up the possibility that they forgot for good reason.
00:11:25.280I don't think so. I've been reading the same stuff on you. I mean, all of a sudden, the whole world,
00:11:32.560we're all prison studies on secret service protocols. But, you know, the actual secret
00:11:37.600service agents are mostly in extremely close proximity to the president or the presidential
00:11:42.720candidate. Those are the guys you see, you know, jump on and do the human shield.
00:11:46.320Um, but the whole, the whole operation is still organized and overseen by the secret service,
00:11:53.280and they'll utilize state and local, uh, uh, police officials. And it would be the secret
00:12:00.320service's job in advance of the event to go around and say, okay, these are the clear spots we need to
00:12:05.920identify. Here's our perimeter. Uh, I saw a map of the perimeter, and it's a nice,
00:12:11.840clean circle. And it's got a little Pac-Man mouth. And that Pac-Man mouth is the rooftop that
00:12:20.960someone made a clear decision not to secure. So the local police, they would be in charge of
00:12:27.280actually securing the outer perimeter that, you know, that's the secret service. We use the local
00:12:30.640police for the outer perimeter. But, uh, it's the secret service's job to determine what is the outer
00:12:36.240perimeter and what are the hotspots that they need to secure. And any bonehead would be a
00:12:41.760look at that and say, obviously that 120, 150 meters from the podium where Trump stands with
00:12:48.240a clear line of sight needs to be secured. It, there's just no way. Anybody who is wanting to
00:12:53.920build a conspiracy is going to look at that Pac-Man mouth and ask the question that you're drawing
00:12:58.560attention to. Why? Um, certainly in, um, in Canadian politics, these kinds of events are scoped out,
00:13:06.880uh, weeks in advance by the advanced team. I can't believe that that wouldn't be the same
00:13:12.720in the, in the United States, especially with, uh, when we're dealing with the secret service.
00:13:17.680So that's, that's, that's a question that, um, smarter people than us are going to have to resolve.
00:13:23.200But the other one that, uh, everybody is pointing at is people on the ground saw the man on the roof
00:13:31.920with a gun. We played that tape here in the office this morning and timed it. There was two minutes
00:13:41.360from when people first started, when they started recording, they must have seen it even before they
00:13:46.080start recording, but when they started recording, there's a man on the roof. Yeah. Two minutes later,
00:13:51.280shots ring out. In that time, we understand that the man was approached by a local police officer.
00:13:58.160This man is getting, this, this police officer is getting a lot of criticism for backing away when
00:14:03.760the rifle was turned in his direction, but I'm holding judgment on that until we know what the
00:14:10.000standard operating procedures are. He may have been following the protocol that had been established
00:14:15.760by his own police force, because I'm sure he didn't just back away and, and say nothing. So
00:14:21.440can you imagine why it took 120 seconds from the first time somebody said there's a man on the roof
00:14:31.680with a gun to when the event happened? Because as soon as the shots rang out, that's when the counter
00:14:40.480snipers nailed this, this sniper. Well, not quite. He managed to get at least five shots off, maybe more.
00:14:47.200Um, but yeah, like, so two minutes from the time, at least someone starts recording. So obviously
00:14:52.000someone saw it, looks at it and goes, oh my God. And then they start recording. So two minutes from
00:14:58.000the time they hit the record button from what we've seen, and we've seen quite a few of them,
00:15:01.760and you can hear them yelling at police officers, yelling, uh, one guy says he was waving at the
00:15:07.120secret service. And he's, at least he says that they could see him and they looked over and they saw
00:15:13.280the assassin on the roof with a rifle. Uh, some people saw just the man on the roof. Some people's
00:15:17.760videos showed him up there with a rifle crawling up the roof to, uh, to the spot where he could take
00:15:23.520a spot for the pinnacle of the roof. Um, I, I can only imagine, but there was also, uh, the overwatch
00:15:32.320anti-sniper unit. Uh, now that's unclear if that guy was secret service or, or, uh, local, uh, local kind of
00:15:39.280SWAT, but, um, the overwatch would normally be secret service, I would imagine. These are top-end
00:15:44.640snipers. And you can see him in the video, uh, quite a few videos of the overwatch sniper, uh,
00:15:52.560tracking something. Now we can't say for certain he was tracking the sniper, but you can see that
00:15:58.400he's tracking some, something, and then you hear shots fire, and then he fires. But quite a few
00:16:05.200shots managed to get out before he dropped them. And I don't know what the, uh, field manual for the
00:16:11.200secret service says, but I imagine when you've got a highly, highly controversial candidate on stage,
00:16:18.800and you know people want to kill him, and you see a man on a roof 120 to 150 meters away from him,
00:16:25.360with a rifle, you drop him. Now I guess the question would be, did he radio in for permission?
00:16:32.000But if so, what was the answer? Uh, did someone withhold, uh, permission to open fire with the
00:16:38.400rules of engagement? Uh, but it's, it's another one of those things, is that incompetence or being
00:16:44.800allowed to happen? I, we're gonna, we're working towards that. I don't know, but there's just so many
00:16:52.400monumental failures here, that it's difficult for me to believe this is all incompetency,
00:16:58.720because the secret service has a reputation for several things, and incompetency is not one.
00:17:05.040Well, you know, I, I, I am going to stay with the incompetency argument, and one of the reasons is that
00:17:12.080when you get to do something like this too many times, you don't actually become
00:17:16.960better at it, you become sloppier. And what this looks like to me is people who were so accustomed to,
00:17:28.160you know, the, the advance was done, they, the, uh, the perimeter was drawn, for a reason that may
00:17:35.360turn out to be, uh, the end of somebody's career, the decision was made not to include that building,
00:17:41.600but at the time it seemed like a good idea, it'll be fine, we've got it covered from over here, you
00:17:49.280know? You might, you might well be right. You know? I hope so. That's, that's, that's the best case
00:17:52.880scenario, is that someone was grossly incompetent. And then you, then you add in the fact that the
00:17:57.920secret service is understaffed, apparently. We, we obviously don't know that, but this is the reporting
00:18:04.480that's going out. And, uh, to me, the clincher is that this young man clearly was no Lee Harvey
00:18:11.120Oswald. And, uh, if you had been party to something like this, and I'm not suggesting that
00:18:18.640this goes back to the White House or even into a senior, uh, uh, uh, functionary within the
00:18:25.040Democratic Party. I think it's highly unlikely. Yes, highly unlikely. But if there was a plot,
00:18:30.640that's not that 20 year old guy, borrowing his father's gun is not the guy that you're going to
00:18:38.160pick. No, not if you actually mean this to work. Now the other, the other theory, I don't subscribe
00:18:45.120to this for one minute. I'm going to bet that you don't either, but oh yes, well, it was all set up
00:18:49.840to make Trump look good. Just wing him. I don't think so. No, I mean like the, first of all, you'd
00:18:56.320then have to have one of the greatest snipers in the world, uh, to graze a guy, I mean grazing
00:19:03.680to intentionally graze someone, bloody them, but not kill them on their head.
00:19:07.840That would be an incredibly difficult shot. That would be a much more difficult shot than actually
00:19:13.200shooting him in the head or shooting him in the chest cavity. Uh, that one, I mean, we're
00:19:18.800going to get to the politics in a bit. I'm sure. Uh, obvious it's, it's, this is a political,
00:19:24.480uh, triumph for Trump, the way, the way he handled himself and everything coming through. He's
00:19:30.560obviously gaining politically from this, but, uh, yeah, no, I, I don't see any way, uh,
00:19:39.360the chances, you know, off another inch, Trump would be dead. The only reason I bring it up there
00:19:44.000is that people are seriously saying that. And I, I, I find that people on both sides are always
00:19:49.840going to immediately start to draw conspiracy theories out of this. I'm, I am. It's crazy
00:19:56.400talk. I don't put my tinfoil hat on often. I've just seen, I've seen enough evidence that shows in
00:20:00.640the best case scenario, best, best case scenario, most charitable I can be is as gross incompetence.
00:20:07.600But I, I don't think it's outside the serious realm of possibility that at least some elements of
00:20:13.840the secret service, we're just, um, taking a coffee break off the game. Yeah. Yep. No,
00:20:22.320something, something, obviously the fact that it happens means that something went wrong.
00:20:27.040As I say, my case is that it's, uh, it's, uh, escalating incompetence at several levels, but
00:20:31.920also remember there hasn't been a shot fired successfully or not at a U S president or major,
00:20:38.320uh, party candidate in the United States since 1981, uh, against Ronald Reagan, uh,
00:20:44.880well, skillies, well, sorry, against the U S president or presidential candidate from a major
00:20:50.160party. Uh, there, there's been other assassinations, but, uh, you know, other, you know, congressional
00:20:55.440leaders aren't afforded the same level of hyper security as presidents and presidential candidates.
00:21:00.400Probably shouldn't really joke about this, but when president Biden says there has no place in
00:21:04.400American politics for this kind of thing, he forgets Abraham Lincoln, William McKinley,
00:21:10.240assassinating presidents is an unfortunately very American, uh, uh, very American tradition. Uh,
00:21:15.760unfortunately, and they always assassinate the wrong ones. Now then, uh, the, um, let's talk about that.
00:21:22.640Can Trump possibly lose in November? Yes. How? Someone could succeed in assassinating him. All right.
00:21:29.520That's not losing in November. That's just losing period. Well, it means he doesn't win in November.
00:21:33.680This is a huge, let's be honest. This is a huge political victory for him to have survived an
00:21:39.680assassination attempt day before, two days before the big Republican national convention where he
00:21:46.560rolls out his vice president candidate. Public sympathy is with him. Whatever you think of the
00:21:55.200man, he performed heroically in the moment. He did not cower. He did not let them bundle him up.
00:22:03.920He's supposed to let them do that. There is a protocol and that was another breakdown of
00:22:09.360protocol just for a little side, but he, he wanted to stop to raise his fist and say fight, fight, fight
00:22:15.360and good for him. But the secret service, they don't, once shots are fired, they're not taking orders from
00:22:21.120the candidate. They get him out. Like they, they shield them and then they get them out. They're not
00:22:26.400supposed to stop for that. I think that's a tribute to the force of personality that's at work here,
00:22:30.480which of course, uh, was very evident is not president. But it put him at even greater danger.
00:22:37.200Uh, the secret service allowed. Look, if there was one sniper, there could be two,
00:22:40.480there could be four. So that's why they do it that way. But he somehow overpowered them and got the
00:22:45.600fist up there. Yeah. Produced the iconic image that you speak of in your article. And, uh, now he goes into
00:22:52.240the, uh, into the, uh, into the, into the convention. And this is a man who has been subjected to the
00:23:00.320grossest calumnies in terms of the Russian hoax, the, the, the stripper things, the, the, the, the,
00:23:08.800the, the lawfare that has been exercised and invented, an invented charge, which nobody could really
00:23:16.880defy him. But he said, if he sounds guilty, then find him guilty. All of this stuff has happened to
00:23:22.640him and he has not quit. He is not, he has not backed down. Then he gets attacked and survives.
00:23:31.840I say that this man has got the white house in his pocket for a second time.
00:23:36.000I mean, if you're asking me to put my money down, I'm putting it hard on red right now.
00:23:41.360Uh, I mean, he could go wrong. He was already headed there. Um, he, he was doing well before
00:23:47.840the presidential debate, first presidential debate. Uh, and then I'll, you know, we remember
00:23:52.160Biden coming out with his pants around his ankles, practically, uh, just the greatest meltdown
00:23:57.920we've ever seen in a debate in any country. Uh, so I think he was already a pretty good bet to get
00:24:03.760there. Uh, he's got to be damn near unstoppable now, but I mean, the Democrats could still change
00:24:11.440their candidate and maybe that candidate gets a great honeymoon period and catches fire. Uh,
00:24:17.680you know, there's a lot of Americans who probably feel about Trump the way I do, which is,
00:24:23.680I like the way he owns the libs. I like the way he, you know, takes on the establishment,
00:24:30.080but you know, he seems overly narcissistic. He, uh, doesn't seem very presidential,
00:24:37.200seems often petty, don't just have problems with his personality. Um, and they would vote for a
00:24:44.000moderate Democrat, um, who would just kind of steer the ship for four years. Don't do anything crazy.
00:24:51.760I think there's a lot of Americans who, who, who feel that way. I've not been as a biggest fan ever
00:24:56.720since he said John McCain was, you know, coward for getting shot down. I had a hard time forgiving
00:25:00.880him for that. But after this, the way he comported himself there, it's hard not to be romantic about
00:25:08.800it. Uh, I mean, this stuff was straight out of Hollywood. I mean, if this was in an actual movie,
00:25:14.320you'd say it was cheesy. It was over the top. It's unbelievable. It was unbelievable. You'd say
00:25:18.960the secret service wouldn't allow him to do that. But, uh, he, I cannot imagine him losing now, but
00:25:26.080of course, anything, it's still a long way to election day. That's November. We're talking
00:25:30.080like we're four months out. The Democrats could conceivably pick a candidate.
00:25:34.880That was going to be my last question to you is if you were asked to advise the Democratic Party,
00:25:41.520what else have they got other than that Donald Trump is unsuitable for office?
00:25:47.040Well, they can't really say that anymore. And they can't say that anymore. So what have they got?
00:25:51.360Not much. Uh, they, they won't go after them on policies because policy wise is more aligned with
00:25:56.080the American mainstream. Most Americans don't believe they should just be opening the border,
00:25:59.760letting 10 million illegals pour over, then, uh, eventually start voting, uh, drawing on the welfare
00:26:05.760and healthcare systems. Uh, I mean, they've got some policy advantages, but if they make this
00:26:12.240into a policy fight, uh, they're gonna, they're gonna lose. The one thing they had was that Donald
00:26:17.120Trump, you know, after January six stuff, he's a threat to the constitutional order. He's a threat
00:26:21.520to democracy. The problem is that rhetoric, even if true, it, uh, especially if it was true would
00:26:29.600legitimate someone taking violent action to save the Republic, to save the constitution, to save democracy.
00:26:34.560But that's obviously hyperheated rhetoric. And the Democrats can't really say that anymore without
00:26:41.600being accused of continuing to heat things up and fuel another assassination attempt. So they,
00:26:46.560no pun intended, but they just lost their Trump card that I don't think they have anything to play.
00:26:51.200Have you been saving that all this time? I've been saving it for years, Nigel.
00:26:56.000They've lost their Trump card. How true. Look, the, uh, the Democrats are in huge trouble. There's no
00:27:02.240question about that, but they deserve to be. And to the point about, uh, you know, President Biden
00:27:07.600comes out and says all the right things about turning down the rhetoric and so on. And Trump has had
00:27:15.200some better speeches aimed at the Democrats, but they have used some language, which in the hands of
00:27:22.160a 20 year old misguided youth living in a rural backwater in Pennsylvania could well turn his head
00:27:29.200and probably similar to youths elsewhere, but you know, you don't talk about putting a bullseye on
00:27:33.840somebody. Well, I don't know. The Republicans need to be careful with, with that. Um, how far, I mean,
00:27:39.920to an extent they can say the Democrats have used overheated language that is,
00:27:44.320you know, gonna radicalize some people. They can say that to an extent, but I don't think at this
00:27:49.520point in the absence of any evidence that they can, uh, place responsibility for the assassination
00:27:55.520on the Democrats, the person who's responsible is the person who pulled the trigger. Possibly, you know,
00:28:01.360as we were saying, uh, some people in the secret service and the intelligence apparatus, possibly,
00:28:08.720we don't know, but possibly, but I mean, it could just as easily happen the other way.
00:28:14.800You know, Republicans use strong language against the Democrats and, uh, you know,
00:28:19.360a crazed Republican somewhere picks up a gun and shoots a Democrat. That also does not make the
00:28:24.000Republicans responsible for it. It does mean though, that both sides need to be at least aware of how
00:28:30.480far they're pushing their rhetoric, but a lot of Democrats genuinely believe Trump. They're not
00:28:36.320just, you know, politicians say a lot of things for votes and to take down their opponents. Uh,
00:28:42.240uh, but a lot of Democrats legitimately think Trump is, you know, the next Hitler and has to be stopped.
00:28:47.440And if, and if you genuinely believe someone's the next Hitler, you got to call it out. And if someone
00:28:51.680gets crazy and picks up a gun over it, it's LV. Hmm, gotta be careful. You're right in the
00:28:59.040Western standard. Look, on the subject of, uh, Donald Trump, we're almost out of time, but I just want to
00:29:04.960make this, uh, observation and get your comment on it. You've had experience with hospitals recently.
00:29:14.640When you, if you were going in for a serious medical procedure where your life was actually
00:29:21.120in the balance and dependent entirely upon the accuracy with which the surgeon's knife was deployed,
00:29:28.160I would not myself care much about the personality, if at all, of the surgeon. He could be a beast of a
00:29:38.720man or woman, but as long as he is known for complete professionalism and accuracy and has a high
00:29:47.360survival rate, he's the guy I want. And it's the same with, with aviation. Every, every time we fly,
00:29:55.440we assume that the pilot is going to get us where we're going to go. And he can be a jerk,
00:30:01.280but if he is a safe pilot, that's the pilot you want to fly with rather than the, you know,
00:30:07.840somebody who might be awfully good on the mic. So I see Trump and, and I, and I see leaders generally
00:30:16.000as needing to be very, very good. And if they have personality characteristics that don't really bear on
00:30:24.000the job that we don't like, well, let's look past that. Is he going to deliver the goods for the