Western Standard - The war against mass migration

00:00:00.000 Today we're going to be speaking with Martin Sellner.

00:00:27.520 He is the head of the Remigration Institute based in Austria.

00:00:32.680 He is an author of books like Regime Change from the Right and has been a prominent intellectual

00:00:42.140 and leader in the identitarian and remigration movement in Europe and particularly in the

00:00:49.720 German-speaking world, obviously Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and some other adjacent

00:00:55.360 countries.

00:00:56.740 I'm pleased today to be joined by Martin Sellner,

00:01:00.360 coming to us, I believe, from Vienna.

00:01:02.300 Welcome, Martin.

00:01:04.580 Thank you very much.

00:01:05.700 Thanks for having me.

00:01:06.420 I'm looking forward to this discussion.

00:01:08.260 I got that right.

00:01:08.860 You're in Vienna right now, right?

00:01:10.980 Yes.

00:01:11.940 Very good.

00:01:12.560 Beautiful city.

00:01:13.600 Everyone who has not been to see the Ringstrasse

00:01:16.520 and the Opera House and the Parliament,

00:01:19.140 it's a gorgeous, gorgeous city.

00:01:21.460 I'm very envious.

00:01:23.360 Absolutely.

00:01:25.820 All right. I want to talk to you for a little while now. Your name has been, I think, emerging, you know, first from Austria, and then across the broader German speaking world, and then Europe, and it's even starting to get its way into North America.

00:01:42.640 I expect that I'm going to get an email after we publish this interview from the Canadian Anti-Hate Network, Press Progress, the usual round of people who think that any vision beyond having a multicultural economic zone makes one an extremist racist.

00:02:03.920 So I'm expecting that to happen, because I've seen your name pop up as someone who's very dangerous and should not be talked to, listened to, or read about, which is why I have to talk to you now.

00:02:16.060 So I guess we'll just start.

00:02:20.020 Some people, I want to see maybe if this is correct, some people have attributed the term remigration itself to you.

00:02:27.960 Is that fair?

00:02:28.700 well no um the word itself does not come from me it was used scientifically in political sciences

00:02:37.820 all the time and it was yeah just a very like um factual term for the pros of somebody

00:02:45.820 returning to his homeland but then in france in the year of 2012 2013 french identitarians were

00:02:54.040 starting to use the term in an activist context and we took it because we founded the biggest

00:03:00.280 patriotic ngo the austrian chapter the identitarian movement and we were the first one to put

00:03:07.000 re-migration into actions with banners we had flyers with re-migration and then in the year

00:03:13.560 about 2022 23 after covid there was a huge push against from us with a re-migration campaign and

00:03:21.000 then it took on speed and i have the credentials bloomberg you know bloomberg they wrote in a big

00:03:28.040 analysis piece that i was the most important re-migration influencer during this period so

00:03:33.720 yeah i take this badge of honor and i think we've been very influenced in mainstreaming

00:03:38.760 this term and this idea on the globe okay well i think that yeah that's certainly fair that's

00:03:44.040 i've seen your name associated with it quite a bit uh i mean i mean maybe for those who aren't

00:03:49.160 as deep into this uh topic maybe explain what what is re-migration and what is identitarianism

00:03:56.360 yeah so i think i started through migration because it's actually quite easy you have

00:04:01.240 immigration you have re-migration re-migration means the process of inversing these flows of

00:04:06.520 migration not just closing the border but also sending illegals home but also creating push and

00:04:12.120 pull factors so that unwanted migration also unwanted legal migration stops and people who

00:04:17.960 don't fit uh slowly but sadly go home there are many proposals many concepts we have an amazing

00:04:25.320 deportation policy from restore britain i've written a book myself about this issue and it's

00:04:30.280 basically just uh the 180 degree answer the inversion of all the multiculturalist policies

00:04:37.480 we had until then so that in summary is re-migration it means we stay and they go and

00:04:43.400 And this is based obviously on identitarianism, which is kind of an umbrella term for national conservative right-wing thinking in Europe.

00:04:55.020 There's the European New Right. I don't know if your viewers are familiar with that.

00:04:58.760 It's a philosophical and political movement, which was very prominent in France and Germany after the Second World War.

00:05:05.420 And basically understood, OK, the core of all right-wing politics has to be the identity,

00:05:10.540 the ethno-cultural identity and continuity as a threat so it's not so much about a political system

00:05:17.280 or an economic system or a certain belief set no it's about this threat and this is basically the

00:05:23.620 ideology of identitarianism it means putting identity putting the people first and trying

00:05:29.180 to create an alliance and creating a bridge between all these different ideological and

00:05:34.040 economical sects that split to the right? So, I mean, it's, that's obviously a movement

00:05:41.000 mostly associated with the right. But, you know, I, I think from what I've taken away from your

00:05:47.060 saying, and, you know, what I've observed, it's not exclusive to the right there, you know,

00:05:51.640 there's, you know, the Danish social democrats, for example, I think, could be considered kind

00:05:57.700 of a light version of identitarianism, but found on the center left. I don't, maybe you want to

00:06:03.680 Correct me if I'm wrong about that, but it doesn't seem to be exclusive to the right.

00:06:06.860 It's just obviously most associated with the right, because the right tends traditionally to be more nationalistic than the left, but not exclusively.

00:06:14.960 True, absolutely.

00:06:15.800 You know, I think there are many arguments and many cases to be made for re-migration also from an ecological or even like labor and lefting perspective.

00:06:26.440 There are a lot of critiques.

00:06:27.600 unfortunately they're very alone within their political scene from the left who say mass

00:06:33.840 migration is undercutting wages it's against the interest of the working class mass migration is

00:06:39.040 making the rich richer and it's also keeping up an unfair and unbalanced world system so

00:06:45.680 this mass exodus especially from skilled people the brain drain from africa is not making africa

00:06:51.840 richer safer or better it's a very important moral case for immigration and also ecologically

00:06:57.600 if you look at europe and especially countries like switzerland austria germany uh this idea

00:07:03.840 of ever growing nations where we don't have enough space and we have to cut down all our forests and

00:07:09.600 destroy all our beautiful meadows just to increase building and housing for millions of africans and

00:07:16.560 arabs coming in are also very important arguments found on the left and you're absolutely right and

00:07:21.520 spot on the danish social democrats are way more progressive in their remigration policy right now

00:07:28.400 than the german christian conservatives and you see a also very important point that i always

00:07:34.240 focus on metapolitics how important is the public discourse um and uh how this public discourse

00:07:42.560 public perception always trumps the political party system uh well yeah i i do want to get

00:07:47.360 get into metapolitics, but we'll get to there. We'll talk maybe about the issues first, but I am

00:07:52.100 interested in that and how you see that fitting in. Why would you use the term identitarian

00:07:58.840 as opposed to nationalism? I know in Germany and Austria, the term nationalism carries some

00:08:05.920 unwanted historical baggage, but certainly outside of Germany and Austria, I think it carries less

00:08:13.020 of a stigma but uh what would you see as the difference between them and why would you kind

00:08:18.640 of choose to use the term identitarian more than nationalism how philosophical can i get in my

00:08:24.700 answer that's the question that's up to you so yeah you're right like the term national obviously

00:08:30.380 has kind of a baggage in austria and germany people see it and it's perceived as way more

00:08:36.780 radical than for example in the anglosphere but for us also identitarian and identity is a term

00:08:42.120 which is way more bigger and also older because if you look at the modern nation nation state

00:08:47.800 it's quite a new phenomenon the and one of important hero of a movement is leonidas the

00:08:53.800 spartan king or prince again the french guy who fought for the austrian army against the ottomans

00:08:59.400 and back then you didn't really have nations and so we think that also just focusing on the

00:09:04.920 nation state national identity has some pitfalls for example you cannot really achieve a european

00:09:10.120 unity like this idea of being united here also in the whole west and as your people with european

00:09:15.400 descent and for me identity is just the encompassing term because there is a threat

00:09:22.600 from leonidas to us from prince organ to us and um over different changes of political systems

00:09:30.360 from tribes to nations to empires this always has been our identity and that's why we defended and

00:09:35.800 there's one of our four thinkers and that's as philosophical as it will get said identity is

00:09:41.240 what stays the same during change and that's what what we want to defend and that's why we love this

00:09:47.400 term am i correct then in saying that identitarianism is kind of national it's just kind of

00:09:55.480 pan-european nationalism not in the eu bureaucratic sense which i think is actually anti-nationalist

00:10:01.480 uh you know it's it's against the you know the the identities of of europe's nation states but

00:10:07.640 uh identitarianism would be like kind of pan-european nationalism without the anti-national

00:10:14.040 nationalism is that a fair way of looking at this it's a good way but we are not like european

00:10:21.400 nationalists like we we believe in the nation state obviously but as identarians we try to

00:10:26.200 balance the three levels of identity as we say it's like the civilization level which obviously

00:10:30.680 is above the nation the national level and the regional level we also love regional cultures we

00:10:35.560 are big fans of regional identity regional culture which is very important to us so we don't like it

00:10:41.160 when for example the nation state act as an agent of equalizing everything and destroying regional

00:10:47.400 cultures but also if you only focus on the nation state you can forget the civilizational bonds

00:10:52.600 but obviously we are also against the european bureaucracy so identitarian just basically means

00:10:56.920 balancing out those three levels defending them and also understanding the both sides of your

00:11:02.120 identity which is ethnic and cultural so we say our identity has three level three layers and two

00:11:07.880 sides and as identitarians we want to understand it and defend all of it so the you know nationalists

00:11:18.760 identitarians uh you know the the obvious kind of knee-jerk uh reaction or critique of them is

00:11:27.200 that well that's racism that's discriminatory it's a it's exclusionary um

00:11:33.280 i mean you obviously will get that on a daily basis that's kind of just what what they'll

00:11:38.920 throw at you um i don't know what what's the response to that that uh you know the focus on

00:11:45.960 your, you know, your identity, your ethnicity, your

00:11:50.280 nationality, wanting to, you know, make sure Austrian,

00:11:54.300 Austria is Austrian, France is French, England is English. You

00:12:00.320 know, how do you respond to your critics? They'll just say,

00:12:02.760 well, you're just, you know, racist ethnocentrists.

00:12:08.040 Yeah. Racism, as you know, is a conversation ender, it's

00:12:12.340 basically always a sign that the other side has no arguments

00:12:15.540 left and racism has become a code word for anti-european and very often anti-white hatred

00:12:21.320 and sentiments because it's only brought up against european and white people when they just

00:12:28.200 want to exist and they just want to cherish the existence and preserve the existence and

00:12:33.200 identitarianism in my opinion is the absolute opposite to real racism which is when you hate

00:12:39.420 groups when you have a blanket hatred against groups or you want to kill people or really

00:12:45.120 treat them in a negative way just based on the ethnicity because as an identitarian patriot i

00:12:50.480 love my own culture but i respect all the others because when i love my own culture how could i

00:12:56.320 deny anyone else to love and to maintain his own culture so what we want actually is a multiple

00:13:02.800 world full of identities and full of nations and we just demand politely but also very consequently

00:13:10.560 our own place and our own country in this world and to claim that this is racist is completely

00:13:17.280 outrageous and i just want to make this more concrete with an with a little anecdote

00:13:23.280 ellen musk whom we all know next he's talking very often about natalism about increasing birth rates

00:13:30.000 and he was talking very often about japan and south korea that south koreans are dying out

00:13:33.920 we need to increase the birth rates there nobody cared and suddenly when he started talking about

00:13:39.840 europeans and said we need to save white europeans everybody's freaking out exactly same situation

00:13:45.840 same terms but suddenly it's obviously seen as offensive to not want to fade away into the

00:13:52.400 darkness and i think this in itself if we want to talk about real racism is actually racism when

00:13:58.880 you want to deny a whole ethnic group is the the right for an identity the right for pride and the

00:14:04.560 right for survival so i would say no that's completely wrong but i'm very happy when my

00:14:08.880 opponents bring this up because it's been so overused that nobody cares anymore so it's a very

00:14:14.080 very big argument we um we published a guest column from uh daniel tyree of the canadian

00:14:22.640 dominion society and you know they're very involved in the re-migration uh project um

00:14:30.000 and it was called what is a canadian and uh you know he tried to make the argument that it's well

00:14:36.080 it's you know the original indigenous people and it's uh largely the descendants of the original

00:14:41.760 english scottish irish and french settlers and then other europeans who came and successfully

00:14:46.960 assimilated into it uh you know i i come my family's germany austria etc but we've

00:14:53.280 largely assimilated into anglo-canadian culture um but you also have to say you have an austrian

00:15:00.400 face i have an austrian face i don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing my prussian

00:15:04.560 it's an amazing it's the best thing it's the best thing but if i would see you on the street

00:15:08.160 i would think like you're you look austrian maybe from upper austria something like that so that

00:15:12.420 that would be my my classification well thank you thank you but my prussian opa might not like that

00:15:18.340 but my more austrian bohemian oma would so um so so you know defining what is a ethnic canadian is

00:15:27.880 is much more difficult i think than defining what is an ethnic austrian was an ethnic frenchman

00:15:34.000 ethnic pole englishmen etc uh because those are ancient countries and the people are are genuinely

00:15:41.840 indigenous to the land for the most part you know european borders have shifted etc but for the most

00:15:47.200 part largely indigenous to the areas um so i i the the question the the headline was posed as a

00:15:58.400 question what is a canadian and we've got someone uh any i think we're expecting a rebuttal piece

00:16:03.040 to it today someone who disagrees maybe with how he defined it um but i think i think it'd be

00:16:09.840 okay well i'll just ask you then what is an austrian

00:16:14.400 i would say um austrian is obviously somebody who lives here has this austrian passport in

00:16:24.080 the legal sense but apart from this classification you also have the very long and very ancient

00:16:30.880 history of the people who have been living here and for this you have um a culture and ethnicity

00:16:37.600 a lineage but also a consciousness and i think these uh things together the lineage the culture

00:16:43.840 but also the consciousness of being an austrian and of being part of this um as edmund burke put

00:16:51.120 it this deep pact this contract between those who are living those who have passed away and those

00:16:56.880 who are yet to come this makes somebody an austrian but obviously i would say apart from

00:17:03.040 that if it gets to be more concrete we are people that loves to eat we have amazing music uh we we

00:17:10.800 are the perfect combination between the rigidity the order from the german culture language sphere

00:17:17.360 which we're obviously a part of together mixed with a bit of southern and eastern european flavor

00:17:22.080 so that's that's what you have in vienna so they have in austria and obviously we also

00:17:26.560 deeply shaped our history because austria was the bastion of europe so the austrians always

00:17:31.440 in the border region had to defend their identity against turk situations against the hungarians

00:17:37.040 before they became christianized and then part of the european civilization and also as part of a

00:17:42.880 border area of the whole uh german empire in the german area uh this was always an area of a lot of

00:17:49.840 worth warfare and having to defend your own identity and that's also what makes the austrians

00:17:55.120 a very patriotic very stubborn people we also mountain people we have all the mountains in the

00:17:59.520 area erect erect people so that's that what makes an austrian and um i hope you're satisfied with

00:18:07.200 this definition i uh i i i often get asked by people uh you know if they're going to europe

00:18:13.920 on vacation or something they say derek what's the best part of germany i always say austria

00:18:18.000 um you know well yeah i know that's a loaded answer but uh you know it's it's got the culture

00:18:24.520 and whatnot uh a shared culture but it's it's actually more stronger more pronounced there

00:18:29.220 um true true it's a bit like that in the area but uh but i would say also like um

00:18:35.300 uh yeah um i think austria has the best from both sides but you know when it comes to canada

00:18:39.980 i understand your identity is way more complex but still also the austrian identity as it exists

00:18:45.820 today for example also austria as its nation state is something very new and changing a bit

00:18:51.180 and shaping the identities for example after the second world war the majority of austrians did not

00:18:56.140 identify with austrian at all like they said okay we're all germans but this is changing steadily

00:19:00.780 in austria so there is something that you can call an ethnogenesis the dutch people were part of the

00:19:06.300 german empire swiss uh german swiss same but the dutch people they would now say okay we're dutch

00:19:11.980 so what's happening or what's going on in canada i think it's an ongoing process it's an ongoing

00:19:18.060 process of forming a very distinct identity but obviously basing this identity identity only on

00:19:23.820 ideas on abstract values will not lead to a real nation and a real identity but basically just you

00:19:30.460 know a zone an economic zone where different uh a conglomerate of different entities lives

00:19:37.100 for a while you know basically like liminal space or like an airport lobby so i think it's up to us

00:19:42.860 canadians and as european canadians of the descendants who founded this nation to define

00:19:48.060 what it means to be canadian it's harder but it's also cool because um so you can be very creative

00:19:54.860 in this process as well well i mean austria is a particularly interesting case uh i i'd be

00:20:01.500 interested in your take on it because i see it um you know you mentioned you know the dutch uh

00:20:07.100 They were always maybe a bit more different.

00:20:09.040 They spoke of a very different dialect.

00:20:10.920 The Austrians obviously have a different dialect than High German and Berlin, etc.

00:20:14.720 But I see them as a part of an ethnic German identity, but with a civic national identity as well.

00:20:23.600 Civic identity as Austrians, but still national in the sense of the German world.

00:20:28.940 Similar-ish, but maybe not as much as, say, the Swiss or the Swiss-speaking Germans.

00:20:35.060 So you can have overlapping identities. In Alberta, if there is such a thing as an ethnic Canadian identity, if such a thing is there, it's a debatable point, then Albertans would share it.

00:20:47.640 We share an Anglo-Canadian ethnic identity, but some of us have a separate civic identity

00:20:56.060 as Albertans, that, you know, we're a distinct polity and we have some differences, but

00:21:02.420 we don't consider ourselves a different ethnicity than the rest of Canada.

00:21:05.200 We're a part of a broader pan-Anglo-Canadian culture, but we still have a different civic

00:21:10.420 identity.

00:21:11.160 I don't know how much maybe that fits in with the parallel with Austria.

00:21:15.680 True.

00:21:17.040 It might fit in a bit, but Austria also has a different history in a way.

00:21:22.840 You know, like also the Austrian Empire was in this duel, in this conflict with Prussia and had their own policy.

00:21:34.020 Obviously, back then, Austria was not part of a people.

00:21:35.960 It was the noble house, the aristocracy of the house of Austria.

00:21:41.140 But I would say, yes, there are definitely similarities.

00:21:43.320 But obviously, at the moment, I'm quite happy that we are not part of the German nation, which is run by, I would say, a left-wing suicide pact.

00:21:56.140 And in Austria, the Freedom Party, for example, is falling at around 30, 39%.

00:22:01.880 And there's a high chance that we are able to really make re-migration a reality in Austria within the next years.

00:22:09.680 So I think at the moment, especially when the zeitgeist is so anti-European, anti-white, anti-national, then it's maybe even better to have smaller entities and smaller communities, which is easier to get political sway and to maybe even flip the whole thing.

00:22:26.080 That sounds like another parallel with a lot of what's happening in Alberta right now.

00:22:30.280 At the risk of, okay, everyone just stay with me for a second.

00:22:34.700 This is going to be kind of a niche-ish thing to talk about.

00:22:37.340 But I think it's instructive of kind of the, what are the problems facing remigration, identitarianism, nationalism, etc.

00:22:45.640 I want to talk about the recent state election in Baden-Württemberg.

00:22:49.480 So for those who don't know, let's put it up on the map.

00:22:52.220 Baden-Württemberg is a state in southwest Germany.

00:22:55.400 It's just west of Bavaria.

00:22:59.140 They just had a state election there.

00:23:01.580 And the Green Party came out just ahead.

00:23:04.720 Let's also, yeah, let's put the election results up as well.

00:23:06.720 the Green Party came one, maybe two points ahead of the CDU. The CDU is the nominally

00:23:13.040 conservative, so-called conservative party in Germany. And the AFD, the more nationalistic

00:23:20.800 identitarian party, came in a strong third, but, you know, not in contention to be the first place

00:23:26.200 party, but came in a strong third. All the other parties either were shut out of the local parliament

00:23:31.260 or are extremely small. And so the CDU was in a position where it could decide how the government

00:23:38.020 was going to be formed here. It could play the junior coalition partner and support putting the

00:23:43.100 Greens, led by a Turkish guy, in power. Or it could be in power itself as the senior coalition partner,

00:23:52.180 but they would have to allow the AFD to be the junior coalition partner.

00:23:57.160 They chose as conservatives to be a junior coalition partner under a Turkish Green Party guy

00:24:04.780 than to be the government themselves as the senior guys, but allow the AFD in.

00:24:12.220 So for a Canadian, there's no exact parallel to a Canadian audience, but bear with me with

00:24:18.000 the analogy. This would be like Pierre Polyev deciding that he will be Deputy Prime Minister

00:24:23.100 under Elizabeth May, rather than be Prime Minister himself, but allow Maxime Bernier to be a part of

00:24:29.520 the cabinet. That is the madness that is taking place right now. I know that there's a, there's

00:24:38.880 Firewall, Braumeyer, all that stuff. Could you just explain for a Canadian audience why the hell

00:24:45.640 a conservative would rather be second place partner under turkish greens than

00:24:52.520 lead the government themselves with the assistance of people who are

00:24:56.280 as conservative as their own party was probably 15 years ago because the greens are secretly

00:25:03.400 ruling germany you know the green party in baden-württemberg they're very strong but on

00:25:08.440 a national level they're not that strong at the moment in germany so they're polling from the

00:25:12.600 lately is poll at 12 but if you look in media in elections of journalists if you look at elections

00:25:19.880 and pollings in universities the green party has an absolute majority there everywhere and with

00:25:25.560 this majority and with their media power they've created a firewall which means the afd is untouchable

00:25:31.880 the afd um is has a very severe and very viral illness and you mustn't have to do anything with

00:25:38.040 them and the cdu is so afraid of the green party and so afraid of the media apparatus

00:25:43.480 and also of the antifa that they basically say okay we don't want to have power we are

00:25:49.720 uh we are complying so the cdu is completely they're politically castrated in austria and germany

00:25:55.960 uh the christian conservatives and they're the slaves of the left they live in the basement of

00:26:00.440 the left and they always when they have a high result have to form coalition with the left and

00:26:05.560 then um find some middle ground some compromise and that's why obviously all of the promises are

00:26:11.080 always broken just to make it a bit more um more palatable for the people once there was a case in

00:26:17.960 the german parliament where the cdu wanted to pass a motion and divorce a majority that they could

00:26:25.720 have with the afd and some other deputies it was a time when the coalition was broken and it was a

00:26:31.640 free player forces and then just for thinking about it like the cdu was attacked by antifa

00:26:38.520 antifa attacking cdu politicians said okay you're fair game we are treating you like the nazis now

00:26:43.640 and then the cdu completely backed down it didn't bring in any motion uh just for fear that this

00:26:50.200 motion would be passed through with the votes of the afd politicians so even the votes of the afd

00:26:55.720 politicians are toxic it's a very crazy i would say semi-religious behavior and um yeah this is

00:27:02.360 what's going on in germany and unfortunately another thing i don't know how it is about

00:27:06.520 canada in germany it's harder cycle by cycle to win for patriots because of the ethnic vote so

00:27:12.840 migrants are forming a bigger and bigger part of the electorate non-assimilated migrants and

00:27:18.200 they're obviously voting for left-wing parties uh there there's significant evidence of it here

00:27:24.280 although uh the pollsters don't really tend to break it down uh that kind of background as much

00:27:30.520 but i think hey we we commission polls from time to time and i i actually haven't asked them to

00:27:35.080 to put that in as one of the crosstab data points and i'm i'm just going to start putting that in

00:27:38.600 because i think that's an increasingly defining characteristic of our of our politics across the

00:27:43.240 west um i want to come kind of come back to where we were asked i i asked what is an austrian

00:27:49.320 the follow-up question to that and this is going to be a spicy one but i'm sure you've gotten it

00:27:55.320 before is can a non-european become an austrian can an african can an arab become an austrian

00:28:06.500 can they be austrian again i make the separation between the civic nationality and uh like the

00:28:14.020 ethnocultural identity yes civically obviously you can get a passport unfortunately it's super

00:28:19.020 easy in austria it's very easy to get the austrian passport but when it comes to the to this um

00:28:26.220 identity that i mentioned before there also have to be a differentiation so yes you can assimilate

00:28:32.140 into the austrian culture and i think there are some migrants who have done this way better than

00:28:36.860 austrians so they know more about austrian music history and they're also more well mannered but

00:28:42.060 obviously you cannot be trans austrian so when it comes to the lineage you cannot fake a lineage and

00:28:47.260 you cannot um assimilate yourself into an ethnicity that just doesn't work i know it's

00:28:53.180 harsh to say that but it's just the reality and we have to be very true truth is the ultimate goal

00:29:00.140 and the ultimate value and uh just as if you as a man cannot become a woman obviously i cannot

00:29:05.820 become an african or chinese ethnical ethnically if i really would want it to does this make this

00:29:11.340 person not a real austrian so that's that's a big debate it's basically an ontological debate

00:29:16.380 my stance is yes some people who have a different descent can assimilate into the broader

00:29:23.020 body politic and the people and can become part of this nation but obviously it's a long-term

00:29:29.340 process that in the end also takes several generations but um this has been exception

00:29:35.100 and it cannot be in masses because otherwise the very identity that people would want to assimilate

00:29:40.220 into would be destroyed by that and my argument for this is always if i would go to japan

00:29:45.740 if i want to become part of the japanese culture i'll learn the language i learn kendo and

00:29:52.140 and judo yeah and uh become immersed in japanese culture and maybe also married japanese and then

00:29:58.700 at some point japanese would accept me still i wouldn't claim that i'm ethnically japanese

00:30:03.260 i would understand that people see me a bit differently and if there was a mass immigration

00:30:08.620 from austrians to japan then i would also say no i don't want chip in japan to become austria i wanna

00:30:16.540 want to band of this day a homogeneous japanese nation so i've i'm against a total radical one

00:30:22.700 or the other way i think there's always um some form of assimilation this has always been also

00:30:28.300 the reality we have to be true to reality here but it has to be measured it's also the question

00:30:33.420 how many how fast for which culture and there is a limit for this capacity and obviously the

00:30:39.420 capacity of japan japan to take in chinese people or koreans even though maybe japanese would

00:30:47.500 have a different opinion here is higher than taking in african people or norwegian people

00:30:52.700 and vice versa the capacity for austrians to take in croatians or italians or french people

00:30:59.260 and assimilate them is higher than to take in um southeast agents or africans so that's how i see

00:31:06.620 it but obviously i get it it's a very um yeah very spicy debate it has to be debated and here you

00:31:13.340 always i think have to make a difference between the legal question the ethnic and cultural question

00:31:18.940 but also the philosophical level and the political reality so i want to tease that a bit more um

00:31:24.620 you know, an Austrian cannot become an ethnic Japanese.

00:31:30.140 Like, that's not possible.

00:31:32.280 And a Japanese person cannot become ethnically Austrian.

00:31:35.360 They might well integrate and be successful there,

00:31:38.360 but you can't just change ones like...

00:31:41.020 They can't.

00:31:42.180 But, yeah, a German could become an Austrian,

00:31:44.980 an Austrian could become a German,

00:31:45.900 because those are extraordinarily close.

00:31:47.720 So maybe that's a bad example,

00:31:49.560 because there's a sense of shared nationhood,

00:31:51.440 even if they're different states and civic identities.

00:31:53.480 but even here even here i would have to have to say if like many many prussians would come to a

00:31:59.820 small austrian town you know then if it's too many then they would break the culture there like

00:32:05.520 all the traditions or everything would break down there so even this would be obviously wouldn't be

00:32:10.880 a big issue um but still if it would go on and can't city by city the regional culture would die

00:32:17.460 and vice versa because people are quite different also within a nation and we also want to maintain

00:32:21.920 those differences my family on until uh until they passed away we we still had prussian austrian

00:32:27.600 fights over what kind of dinner we eat at christmas so i i hope i can uniquely understand

00:32:33.120 i hope the austrians won every christmas yeah that's love with rouladen not potatoes

00:32:38.880 prussians are very good at many things but cooking is not one of those the austrians

00:32:44.240 the austrians one of my family for sure um okay so yeah japanese kept become austrian

00:32:51.280 Austrian can't become Japanese, but what about something that is more adjacent, that is clearly

00:32:57.020 a different national ethnic identity, but, you know, it's closer than, but it's within the same

00:33:04.920 maybe civilizational umbrella. Do you think, can a Polish person become an ethnic Austrian? Can a

00:33:11.560 Croatian person become an ethnic Austrian? Because these are obviously close, especially, you said

00:33:16.200 Croatia, because they shared the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Habsburg Empire before.

00:33:22.000 They're obviously close and adjacent, but they're different.

00:33:25.240 Can they become a genuine ethnic Austrian to you?

00:33:29.640 You see here, the question is what you mean by ethnicity.

00:33:32.880 And it's actually a philosophical question.

00:33:35.040 Basically, it comes down to how do people react to you?

00:33:38.240 An example, let's say a Polish person as a child is being adopted by an Eastern German

00:33:45.360 family he will have a totally um unproblematic german identity why because culturally he's

00:33:52.240 raised assimilated as a german and also from his phenotype the looks he appears completely normal

00:33:57.520 german he sees himself as a german and he um is perceived as a german but obviously if you look

00:34:03.680 differently people will not perceive you as an ethnical german this will also change your own

00:34:09.040 identity about yourself and will force you in a way to have a more complex understanding of your

00:34:15.360 own history and if this polish person although like from his dna and his looks he is completely

00:34:21.760 like the majority of eastern german people let's take this for the sake of the argument

00:34:26.080 he sees poland as any other slavic nation poland czech republic no difference but if suddenly his

00:34:32.480 parents tell him you know what you were adopted from a polish family uh from a polish city from

00:34:38.720 kaka then suddenly for him his identity will shift and change you know and he will say okay well

00:34:44.800 interesting maybe i'll try travel there once whenever like there's a a soccer game between

00:34:49.280 germany and poland he will see differently then so these things um are real if you make them real

00:34:55.280 and if you think about them yes in a way but of course if you have a different ethnicity people

00:35:01.760 will react differently to you and it doesn't mean they're racist or discriminatory

00:35:06.160 again if i wanted to go to japan and then assimilate japan still people will ask me ah

00:35:12.000 do you speak japanese and where do you really come from and i wouldn't see this as racist because

00:35:16.400 it's just a normal a very normal reaction so let's say yes they can assimilate easier

00:35:22.240 but still like the lineage is just a reality that just exists it's not it's not evil or good it's

00:35:28.960 just there and um you cannot really change it but in many cases like this example it doesn't really

00:35:35.040 matter if you don't make it an issue or don't even know about it okay uh so metapolitics

00:35:43.120 most people have probably never heard the term might me might ask you also about your opinion

00:35:47.680 how how you see it or is this like um yeah i i know you you're the interviewer i'm the interviewed

00:35:52.800 but i think it would be maybe interesting how you see i see this issue you want to flip the script

00:35:57.600 on me um i'm asking you all these hard and spicy questions because it's easier for me to ask the

00:36:02.640 you can ask me everything anything i want i'm just it's out of your interest how you see it yeah

00:36:07.040 uh yeah i mean look north americans are are different uh we you know our people settled

00:36:13.760 the land i've got ancestors who were very early settlers who are as canadian as you could possibly

00:36:20.720 be um but i've also obviously got much more recent ancestors who came from uh places that used to be

00:36:28.240 be part of Germany and used to be parts of Austria um but I mean those places where my

00:36:33.760 ancestors are from are no longer parts of Germany no longer parts of Austria and that doesn't make

00:36:39.200 me Czech that does not make me Polish even though that's those are now a part of the geography of

00:36:43.620 where they're from I have no identity whatever with those places so when you know when people

00:36:48.840 talk about um you know your identity is just it's the geographical location you you live in this

00:36:55.480 place and therefore you know uh you know justin trudeau used to say a canadian is a canadian is

00:37:00.280 a canadian you know you got the papers you are therefore canadian i thought well okay um so

00:37:05.720 that's just you're talking about us just being a an economic zone again it's it's purely geographical

00:37:11.720 you live there therefore you are i'm like well that would make me polish uh that would make me

00:37:15.640 check but i don't have a as far as we can tell i've done ancestry.com i've got no check i've got

00:37:21.400 no polish um so i i have no identity whatever with those places even though i've got

00:37:27.320 you know i'm geographically from there so um i i agree uh but you know north american society

00:37:33.880 i think has always been by necessity more assimilating uh than than the european nation

00:37:40.040 states uh you know we were you know original english and french settlers combined with uh

00:37:45.400 you know the indigenous people who were here before um and so even the french and the english

00:37:50.920 had to find some commonality and there'd be intermarriage between them um more so than you

00:37:56.360 would say between english and french people in europe because they had they were in separate

00:38:00.760 polities different kingdoms um you know and then we you know we integrated irish and scottish and

00:38:07.080 then eventually western canada sub settled largely uh there was americans who came up with their own

00:38:11.560 identities germans ukrainians um and then eventually you know we had chinese people come

00:38:17.720 building the railroad so we've always been a bit more fluid but it was never until very recently

00:38:24.280 wasn't a big issue especially in english canada um because there was still an anglo identity

00:38:29.480 um you know you might immigrate from germany and we'd still eat a lot of german foods but we'd also

00:38:35.320 adopt the local foods we would learn to speak english and we would intermarry with english

00:38:41.000 families and we would take on an anglo-canadian identity and there was uh what was the term you

00:38:48.080 used um genomorphosis uh ethnogenesis and and and and so it was fine um but you know other

00:38:57.700 communities uh that came from you know other civilizations and other more different ethnic

00:39:04.920 backgrounds they would integrate successfully but not as much um like we have a chinatown in

00:39:10.600 Calgary. We don't have a German town. We don't have a Ukrainian town. Um, I'm a member of the

00:39:15.540 Austrian club because it's one of the few good places I can get, um, uh, you know, I can, you

00:39:21.080 know, I can, I can find the food, but you know, there's, there's no area that's like, this is the

00:39:26.080 German area of town and it's clearly identified as such. And the architecture of all the buildings

00:39:31.160 here is this, that just didn't happen. They, they assimilated to Anglo-Canadian culture.

00:39:36.660 most chinese people have actually assimilated pretty well here but there it is still more

00:39:40.900 distinct you have a china town the architecture is different the food is different and so it it's not

00:39:46.820 a hundred percent um it's more difficult question to answer here i would also make a difference

00:39:53.380 between integration and assimilation here you know for me like integration is basically when you work

00:39:58.580 well within the function society and you can also integrate um it's a it's a functional structural

00:40:05.620 thing as an ethnic enclave as chinatown for example but you can also integrate for example

00:40:11.860 as a radical muslim so a lot of muslim terrorists were very well integrated they were studying and

00:40:16.100 like they looked completely normal they paid their taxes and the bills so and for me a simulation is

00:40:21.220 when you completely identify with the ethno cultural community of um the nation the community

00:40:28.660 you want to be a part of but what you said is very true there's a saying when a cat becomes kitten

00:40:35.060 gets kitten in a stable there are still cats and horses so obviously this theory of total milieu

00:40:41.620 theory which is a staple of the left is wrong in any case it's wrong when it's about gender but

00:40:47.700 it's also wrong when it's about ethnicity and both are taboos of this trans ideology that basically

00:40:53.220 wants human beings to become eight atoms and to become completely interchangeable like resources

00:40:58.740 you can uh push around the globe um sex change operations and changing your nationality all the

00:41:05.700 time you can become whatever you want and this is obviously part of this ideology of modernity

00:41:10.580 i would say this trans ideology of transgression transsexual transethnic and so on and um i think

00:41:17.220 as conservatives our thought has to be rooted in reality and we just need to create a serious

00:41:22.660 scientific but also measured debate about a subject that doesn't go in any radical or extreme

00:41:28.100 direction just looks at the facts and then thinks okay what do we learn from these facts and how do

00:41:33.300 the influence and how uh to the effect our politics uh i strongly would expect you'll agree

00:41:40.220 with the critique i'm about to make but i'd interesting i'd be interested to know why you

00:41:44.400 think it is that you know the kind of the multiculturalist uh i would say left but it's

00:41:50.620 not just the left i mean you could look at the cdu in germany actually frankly even you know

00:41:55.760 the conservatives in canada are officially pro multiculturalism there's factions within the

00:42:01.540 party that are you know less so um but i would just say so maybe the left is the wrong term for

00:42:08.320 But multiculturalist ideology, broadly speaking, you know, believes that, you know, they don't seem to think that, you know, Europeans, and this is an easier debate to define in the European context than, say, North America, as I discussed.

00:42:25.240 But, you know, say European in the European context, they seem to believe that Europeans aren't allowed to have their own distinct countries, their own distinct nations.

00:42:34.940 But every other country and every other civilization on the planet can.

00:42:39.960 You know, Nigerians are allowed to have Nigeria for Nigerians.

00:42:43.560 And to say otherwise is colonialism.

00:42:45.340 And that's actually probably fair that when Europeans try to essentially come in in large numbers and potentially even dominate India, that's colonialism. And that's probably a fair critique. What if it's the opposite? That, you know, France should be predominantly, not maybe exclusively, but at least predominantly the preserve for Frenchmen.

00:43:09.680 that Poland should be predominantly the preserve for the Polish. That is seen as racist,

00:43:16.780 exclusionary, hyper-nationalist, overall just bad negative thing. But if we said that, well,

00:43:24.080 we shouldn't have a bunch of Poles moving to, or we shouldn't have a bunch of Frenchmen in Algeria,

00:43:29.700 that's perfectly reasonable and could be violently resisted as it was in the 1950s and 60s.

00:43:35.140 that could be violently resisted and that is a good thing um but if you just believe in you know

00:43:40.980 that that france should maybe not have a ton of algerians that's racist what do you think is

00:43:46.980 the reasoning behind it what is the philosophical grounding of it that what's good for the goose is

00:43:52.140 not good for the gander now we're going to very deep into the roots of the great replacement

00:43:57.820 of replacement migration and i would really say it's this ideology this universalism

00:44:02.740 of self-hatred and of white and european guilt and you brought up the algerian french example

00:44:10.780 i always bring up in a talk to left wing people the white flight from south africa there's a huge

00:44:16.900 re-migration going on after hundreds and hundreds of years the boers the people living there even

00:44:23.740 longer than the in some of the invading black tribes then are leaving africa there's an

00:44:28.900 immigration rate from whites from south africa do you like this or not answer for most left fingers

00:44:34.820 yeah that's great because the colonial allies finally leave the country they have nothing to do

00:44:39.620 in to do with uh from the first place so okay and why is it then racist if i demand remigration for

00:44:47.460 europe for people who just came here a few years ago who are very often illegal who contribute

00:44:51.940 nothing to society who two gang rapes a day in germany cause tremendous horrors here not all of

00:44:58.180 them but like a very large number it's completely incongruent and it's just anti-european and

00:45:05.460 anti-white that's basically the suckers that's basically the core of it and it would be as if

00:45:12.500 when you bring up the colonial example when the english colonized india we would say it would

00:45:18.500 it's racist if the indians resist the british if the indians defend their nation against the british

00:45:24.660 get an act of indian racism yeah an anti-white indian racism that's how it is now we are being

00:45:30.500 called racist just for defending our own country and our own territory and i think this is basically

00:45:35.780 um yeah a remnant of a secularized version of christianity it's an abuse of our history you

00:45:44.900 obviously have in germany the second world war but for you have the colonization in the uk also

00:45:50.100 the colonization so everywhere you find mcguffin that is basically the core of this huge ideology

00:45:55.700 of guilt and guilt is something you can use to rule it's a very powerful tool to rule people

00:46:02.340 and i would say in the end this destruction of european ethnic identity and national identity

00:46:08.980 makes europeans easier to govern divided empire divide and conquer it makes it easier also for

00:46:15.380 international corporations to sell their products if you destroy nation states and you have only a

00:46:20.740 huge amount of consumers who cannot organize themselves anymore if past national gangland

00:46:26.340 which is totally chaotic then it's easy to rule that it's easier to sell there and it's easier to

00:46:31.540 make money it's a free flow of information of capital of people all around the globe and the

00:46:36.580 nation states are hindrance to this idea of a new food feudalistic global order but obviously we're

00:46:43.620 going to be into conspiracy theory there i have no proof of that i have no distinct group of people

00:46:49.380 but if i would need to make up a theory why some rulers why some politicians are pushing for that

00:46:57.060 this would be my theory you used uh at the at the top of your answer you use the term great

00:47:03.380 replacement uh i'm gonna have to dig into that because this this part right here is going to get

00:47:09.140 clipped into something from the

00:47:11.180 Canadian Anti-Hate Network and

00:47:12.820 the whole

00:47:13.980 constellation of far-left

00:47:17.160 organizations that think

00:47:18.380 this conversation should not be allowed

00:47:20.920 to take place. No one should be allowed

00:47:23.160 to watch this, listen to this.

00:47:25.640 Great replacement.

00:47:28.060 When it's used

00:47:29.120 on the left, they normally

00:47:30.960 add the word theory at the

00:47:33.060 end. I mean,

00:47:35.060 I guess it's the way you can say conspiracy

00:47:36.860 theory to instantly

00:47:39.100 discredit something there's obviously

00:47:40.980 uncredible conspiracy theories but

00:47:43.080 in 2026 the conspiracy theorists

00:47:45.280 are batting pretty good

00:47:46.720 you know it's

00:47:48.320 they're kind of having their year I've had to apologize

00:47:51.180 to a few people

00:47:52.220 maybe you're not as crazy as I thought

00:47:55.260 but you know

00:47:56.780 the word theory to the end

00:47:58.560 that this is a racist theory

00:48:00.980 it's made up it's not real

00:48:02.800 so

00:48:04.400 maybe if you want to elaborate on that

00:48:06.480 what do you mean by great replacement

00:48:08.580 is it a theory

00:48:10.260 you know

00:48:12.780 is this

00:48:13.300 you know

00:48:15.700 what do you mean by that

00:48:18.000 first of all about

00:48:20.300 conspiracy theories I think we need

00:48:22.280 new conspiracy theories because

00:48:24.280 all the old ones ran out because they all became

00:48:26.520 true so

00:48:27.380 the only ones holding out at this point

00:48:30.380 yeah but when it

00:48:32.580 comes to the great replacement it's not a

00:48:34.500 theory it's a reality it's not a

00:48:36.480 conspiracy theory it's a government praxis

00:48:38.320 It's a descriptive reality and it's just the product of birth rates of natives going down and replacement migration, migration to replace these people fading away.

00:48:53.760 And since the 1970s in most European nations we had no positive birth rates and so since then the whole population growth can be contributed to replacement migration or replacement births.

00:49:05.320 births so it's very descriptive and what they do in a very clever rhetoric trick they take

00:49:12.840 certain theories about why the great replacement is happening then they disprove those theories

00:49:19.960 and then then they say the whole thing isn't happening at all and this is as if you would

00:49:25.160 look at the burning of rome you know we know there was a huge fire in rome the city burned for one

00:49:32.200 weak this is the fact the prescriptive fact and now there are many theories some people said nero

00:49:38.360 himself burned rome down others say the christians did it others say it was just you know an accident

00:49:43.880 but if you disprove one of these theories the fire still happened same with jfk there are many

00:49:49.720 theories about who and why killed jfk but if you disprove one of them jfk still was killed and it's

00:49:57.480 same with greater placement doesn't matter which theory is true and who is really responsible it

00:50:02.520 is happening it's a description and the prescription is remigration so i don't really care who is

00:50:09.400 behind it i think this is a debate you can talk about it's very interesting way more important

00:50:14.040 is the question what can you do about it and obviously the attempt of the left to claim it's

00:50:18.840 a conspiracy theory straw man it refuted and then claim it doesn't happen at all is very cheap and

00:50:25.320 very easy to refute you know i should say they still use the word theory at the end but they

00:50:31.960 don't actually seem to deny it actually takes place now it they used to deny it's taking place

00:50:36.440 now they kind of say it's taking place and it's a good thing here's why you should support it

00:50:41.560 uh so they've kind of moved on they're actually no really they kind of say theory at the end just

00:50:45.720 because i i guess they're used to saying it and it maybe kind of helps to discredit it

00:50:49.320 but they don't really deny it now. It's just, yes, it's happening, but here's why you should

00:50:55.360 like it. So I guess there is no denying, of course, we have replacement migration. I mean,

00:51:02.800 it's just math. It's undeniable. We're very deep into it. It's not a new thing at this point.

00:51:08.520 I guess the question would be, is it intentional or not? Is this just the way it's happening?

00:51:19.320 So why? Why do you think it's happening?

00:51:23.340 I think it's partly intentional.

00:51:26.720 I would say there are three important groups who form this lobby of the Great Replacement.

00:51:32.820 First, there are certain economic interests.

00:51:35.660 For example, in Austria, there's a huge asylum lobby.

00:51:38.840 People make a lot of money, lawyers, social workers.

00:51:41.840 a question for you see if you if you are good at guessing guess how much money how much euros

00:51:49.680 does it cost per month for one refugee underage and unaccompanied so he has no family he's underage

00:51:58.640 and he lives in vienna and how much does it cost one month to accommodate him

00:52:03.920 all right well i i want to get on to uh something you mentioned kind of at the top i promise we'd

00:52:12.200 get back to it uh uh metapolitics this is uh i don't think sorry there's a question

00:52:19.800 oh sorry i i didn't mention it as a question you want to rephrase yes like how much do you think

00:52:25.420 there's a minor a minor refugee cost per month in austria and we're not well just cut out this

00:52:31.800 little part where i missed it yeah uh i i don't know but i i would imagine for the most part it'd

00:52:37.740 be similar to canada and most european countries where the the net contribution of money in versus

00:52:44.040 money out is obviously in the negative 18 000 euros one yes minor migrant in in vienna it's

00:52:52.760 the highest rate costs 18 000 euros a month and this money goes into the asylum industry so those

00:52:57.400 people profit economically 18 000 euros a month 18 000 euros 18 000 i can show you the the newspaper

00:53:04.180 article you can put it on the screen yeah send it to us we'll throw it up i'm uh i'm not saying

00:53:10.260 you're wrong but i mean that's higher than i would expect i expected it to be crazy i don't know how

00:53:15.360 many there are but like how long does an austrian has to work to produce this before taxes you know

00:53:21.380 it's crazy and um so then the second group political parties they profit from mass migration

00:53:27.700 because they just import the voters naturalize them and then they give them our money and then

00:53:31.620 they get voted by them and then i would say the third group an ideological group who hates the

00:53:36.900 nation hates christianity hates white people hates european people like the self-hatred especially

00:53:42.260 universities and they just like it they like it they love it they love the great replacement

00:53:47.540 and they are like a very small but a very loud group especially universities and media

00:53:52.260 you notice this um self-hatred like an ideology and i think these three groups combined they

00:53:58.500 create this very strong very rich very powerful lobby in economy politics and media yeah i know

00:54:07.060 we certainly have that in in canada you uh you know there were uh you know we've always had a

00:54:13.620 fairly uh permissive liberal immigration policy but in the later years of justin trudeau they

00:54:20.900 they did away with all controls they just allowed anyone in they largely did under the guise of

00:54:25.860 of student visas which is too bad because you know we would have legitimate good students coming in

00:54:29.840 but we we also then had a ton of bad ones we had these kind of diploma meals that were fake schools

00:54:35.280 they wouldn't actually really go to the school and and you know and they were companies wanted

00:54:41.560 this also for bringing in just importing cheap labor. And so this, you know, this undercut,

00:54:47.240 you know, kind of lower class, unskilled workers, you know, why would you hire a entitled

00:54:54.200 Canadian who maybe, maybe he won't work as hard, you know, because we grew up in a rich and

00:55:00.520 plentiful, peaceful country. Hire the heart, you know, the harder working guy from over here.

00:55:05.760 sometimes they will work harder

00:55:07.660 and it brought in all this cheap

00:55:10.620 labor so it very much

00:55:12.560 it's often business interests

00:55:13.920 what I have a harder time understanding is that

00:55:16.820 the official labor unions

00:55:18.760 not union members

00:55:20.320 union members are actually kind of voting very much on the right

00:55:22.900 in Canada now and increasingly

00:55:24.700 so in the United States as well

00:55:26.120 a kind of blue collar

00:55:27.480 not the government unions which is actually most unions in Canada

00:55:30.760 now they're public sector

00:55:31.760 but private sector unions

00:55:33.480 the workers

00:55:35.060 tend to be on the right, and they understand there's a huge mass migration problem.

00:55:39.060 But the leadership of all the big unions in Canada, they are against cracking down on mass

00:55:44.700 migration. And that doesn't make sense to me, because it would seem to be very directly in

00:55:49.280 the interests of the workers. I'm kind of making like the Danish Social Democrat argument here

00:55:54.340 that I very much agree with, that you're undercutting your workers here. It's supply and

00:56:01.460 demand you if you uh you have demand for workers but you massively inflate the supply but the

00:56:06.940 demand stays the same well the price goes down it's just the simplest law of economics and so

00:56:13.000 that so why would like i have yet to figure out why it's here i'm going to guess it might be the

00:56:18.420 same in in europe that these these labor organizations are for open borders even though

00:56:24.060 it's completely cooking the supply and demand of having a strong working class true it's uh it's

00:56:30.820 very peculiar i would say it's a treason of the working class by the marxists and this is because

00:56:37.240 the marxists the socialist revolutionaries you know they were disappointed by the native working

00:56:43.440 class because they wouldn't do a communist revolution with them and during the cold war

00:56:48.040 that didn't happen you had all the student movements the sds in america the student

00:56:53.060 revolts in france and these were all entitled marxist students who read marcus adorno and all

00:56:59.780 this you know and all these thinkers and they were angry that their own working classes didn't

00:57:05.060 revolve with them and then basically i think they were looking for a new revolutionary subject in

00:57:12.020 the working class because all of these trade union organizers all these bosses and all this

00:57:17.540 uh um intelligentsia of course they are not workers themselves and they've betrayed their

00:57:22.740 own workers because with them they cannot make a revolutionary socialist movement and they think

00:57:28.580 with importing arabs and importing migrants they have another attempt and another shot for their

00:57:35.620 revolutionary marxist dreams but that's just my personal theory maybe they're also just mad i

00:57:40.340 don't know well they might be half right that they're perhaps importing revolutionaries but

00:57:44.580 it might not be a marxist revolution it might be more along the lines of the iranian revolution

00:57:49.220 that you're going to get most of these guys are going to be steeped heavily in marx more

00:57:53.380 than they're steeped in the writings of an Ayatollah.

00:57:56.160 True.

00:57:57.260 Okay.

00:57:58.280 So I'm going to go back to something you mentioned

00:57:59.880 right near the top of our discussion,

00:58:02.600 and that was metapolitics.

00:58:03.880 I don't think most people have even heard the term.

00:58:07.100 You use it...

00:58:08.180 If I did a word search in your...

00:58:10.120 I read your book, Regime Change from the Right.

00:58:12.980 Well, let's put an image of the book.

00:58:14.480 Oh, there you go.

00:58:15.420 You've got it right there.

00:58:16.820 You can order it on Amazon.

00:58:18.080 I'm actually shocked you can order that on Amazon still.

00:58:21.380 I'm embarrassed.

00:58:22.040 I'm embarrassed that it's too on Amazon, yeah.

00:58:24.420 Yeah, like when I don't get canceled from something,

00:58:26.840 I'm like, what am I doing wrong?

00:58:28.740 Like, eh.

00:58:30.260 Anyway, you can get it on Amazon.

00:58:32.240 I think it's very fairly priced.

00:58:35.420 But if I did a word search of it,

00:58:37.500 I think metapolitics would come up

00:58:40.120 as one of the most frequently used words throughout it.

00:58:45.300 Why don't you just kind of give a short answer?

00:58:46.840 What is metapolitics?

00:58:48.380 And how does it apply to the broader debate

00:58:51.320 around western identity western civilization remigration what do you mean by it and how does

00:58:57.560 it apply if my fellow activists will see this clip they're going to laugh because i was known

00:59:04.680 for a while in vienna and austria somebody who couldn't finish one sentence without using the

00:59:09.240 term metaphors i think it's a fair critique i've read the book i i think you like the word a lot

00:59:15.480 yeah yeah why because the concept is so important that's why the right wing the conservatives

00:59:20.280 always lose because they don't get it they don't get it they think the parliament is the center of

00:59:24.680 power no the parliament is a stage the center of power is somewhere else it's in media it's in the

00:59:30.280 discourse the words and um the thoughts so language and thinking are intertwined if you control the

00:59:37.800 words if you control the media if you control the culture then you control the national debate and

00:59:43.960 on the long run you control the elections and you can change political parties even the animal

00:59:49.880 political parties that's happened in europe so in europe the left the left-wing culture

00:59:56.040 the left thing media all the moves in the books they were pushing this ideology and moving ever

01:00:01.960 farther to the left and the conservatives followed them so the center the real center in the overton

01:00:08.840 window of political opportunities was moving to the left because the left are going leftwards and

01:00:13.400 the right are following and then if you meet in the middle the middle ground is always moving and

01:00:18.040 And that's why the left wins, because they understand that power lies not in party politics.

01:00:24.060 It also doesn't just lie in numbers and facts and studies.

01:00:26.980 It lies in emotions and strong images.

01:00:29.240 And you were talking about the anti-hate groups in Canada.

01:00:33.720 Just look at this amazing metapolitical success of the left.

01:00:36.460 They've coined the term hate.

01:00:38.260 We also even use it, hate speech.

01:00:40.420 So hate is something that is associated with the right wing.

01:00:43.760 hate you know as a basic human emotion i think the left-wing people hate as much and maybe even

01:00:49.260 more as we do but still they've made it a reality in our mind therefore reality um in our political

01:00:56.360 world you know this course is hate is now something attributed to the right and that's

01:01:01.600 what i mean by metapolitics everything that's outside of party politics is actually really

01:01:07.160 stronger and influences party politics way more and that's why we need way more alternative media

01:01:12.260 way more right-wing activists, way more right-wing think tanks, way more right-wing counterculture, music, comics, memes,

01:01:18.840 because that's where the actual power lays, and that's also, I would say, the message of this book.

01:01:27.340 I mean, this conversation can go a few ways from here, but I want to test your theories a bit with some real-world examples.

01:01:34.420 in britain for example i'd say you know identitarians or nationalists they won

01:01:42.560 the metapolitical debate on brexit largely fueled on the immigration issue that if we if we have

01:01:48.920 brexit we take back national sovereignty we'll get out of the eu's system of open borders and

01:01:53.900 we could then stop mass migration take take back some national sovereignty and control here

01:01:59.600 uh they won the debate they won the vote they won the brexit referendum and then they won

01:02:06.240 subsequent elections with big conservative majority governments to follow through on

01:02:11.900 brexit and end mass migration as one of the probably the single biggest motivating factor

01:02:17.060 behind the brexit vote there you know there was quite a few other things but that was the big one

01:02:20.440 they won the votes they said they won the metaphysics they won people over

01:02:25.140 the legacy media was still over

01:02:27.880 and most big institutions were still

01:02:29.660 against Brexit, they were still pro-mass

01:02:32.040 migration, but they won the people

01:02:34.040 over, they won the referendum

01:02:35.280 and then they won with Boris Johnson

01:02:37.380 and then they won with Theresa May

01:02:39.760 they won like

01:02:41.740 two or three majority governments afterwards

01:02:43.640 but mass migration

01:02:45.900 somehow got worse

01:02:47.420 so they won the medical political debate

01:02:49.520 they won the partisan

01:02:51.320 political parliamentary debate

01:02:54.120 but they still lost um that's just a british example but there's other examples as well

01:03:01.840 in in germany the most recent federal election a big majority of germans voted for the afd

01:03:07.360 um in second place and uh and the cdu in first combined a very big majority

01:03:13.680 uh and you know friedrich meretz ran on you know shutting the borders ending mass migration

01:03:20.600 they still got more mass migration so can i maybe can maybe it's just where the winning debates and

01:03:27.120 they're winning the parliamentary elections they're losing in the actual results at the end

01:03:31.840 of the day can i answer the english question first because i think it's actually in reality

01:03:37.960 a really a proof of the meta-political theory because you're completely right the motivation

01:03:42.740 for brexit was migration but if you look at the talking points of the discussion people talked

01:03:48.500 mostly not about migration but about economics it was kind of a proxy issue why because it was

01:03:54.720 and it still is too spicy to talk about mass deportations which actually would have been

01:04:00.360 needed to stop um the the great replacement or a fortress uh britain like building a wall and uh

01:04:09.620 the rwanda plan all of this so they won the political power but they did not win the

01:04:14.880 meta-political power why because in the uk there are no big media no big alternative media not no

01:04:22.440 big um street movements or big ngos and think tanks there's no counterly there's no power in

01:04:30.180 academia who is demanding mass deportations on who is demanding a complete closed border policy

01:04:37.260 this talking point still is not really in the British media and society and you see this right

01:04:43.660 with the taboos that rupert lowe is breaking with restore britain so what i would say is if

01:04:49.420 conservatives and patriots get in power even if they want to do certain political things they

01:04:54.300 are unable to do them if those things are not completely normalized all the taboos have to be

01:05:00.140 broken and you see right now rupert law is starting to break these taboos right now years and years

01:05:05.900 after brexit with which which was a proxy vote uh uh nativist vote but in the debates didn't really

01:05:14.140 normalize the idea of mass deportations or completely shutting the border fence so i would

01:05:19.580 say the brexit was a prime example of conservatives winning political power without having a real

01:05:25.260 meta-political influence in media academia or on the national discourse

01:05:29.660 mm-hmm well but in the german example i mean it's it's a different set of circumstances you

01:05:35.800 have the so-called firewall where unofficially it's a rule you're not allowed to deal with the

01:05:40.300 afd but they're uh you know a big majority of people voted for parties that would stop mass

01:05:47.860 migration um and mass migration was very much at the front everyone the afd was saying it out loud

01:05:54.600 Even Friedrich Mertz, I mean, I didn't believe it. It's the CDU at this point. I didn't believe it. But he was saying, yeah, no, we're shutting the border. Border controls are coming back. We're ending mass deport. We're ending mass migration. Syrians with Syria safe can go back to Syria.

01:06:10.780 um but it didn't happen even though a big majority of germans voted for it and it was explicit it

01:06:16.700 wasn't mixed with a bunch of economic stuff it wasn't uh you know the national health service

01:06:21.460 in britain will save money and you know arguments you know around that kind of thing it was explicit

01:06:26.520 but there i mean it was less than 24 hours after the votes came in and he said nope

01:06:31.200 ending mass migrations off the table was less than 24 hours so there i feel like the

01:06:37.300 metapolitical debate was won to an extent i mean it was not a resounding win but a majority of

01:06:43.460 people voted for parties that were explicit about this issue but then the actual the way that

01:06:49.820 translated on the parliamentary level they lost i wouldn't say that the metabolic debate in germany

01:06:56.480 was won at all i wouldn't say that in german media remigration uh like um sending syrians

01:07:02.620 home is normalized at all in the debate and this is where i would measure metapolitical victory so

01:07:07.080 So I agree with you, it was a political victory for Merz and for rioting parties.

01:07:11.840 But why did people vote for Merz?

01:07:13.400 They voted for Merz because still this idea of the nazification of the AFD,

01:07:18.320 this demonization is still so strong in German media, therefore metapolitics,

01:07:24.040 that the majority is not yet voting for the AFD.

01:07:26.960 So a lot of people in Germany who are voting for the conservatives

01:07:30.680 actually have the convictions of the AFD,

01:07:33.160 but they still have this ideological stranglehold of the left,

01:07:37.080 that I think voting for the AFD is something evil, is something negative.

01:07:40.980 And this is the metapolitical force and dominance of the left.

01:07:44.920 And Merz is profiting from that because obviously he's not as attacked.

01:07:48.200 So it's not verboten to vote for Merz.

01:07:50.680 And he's using AFD talking points because he knows what people actually want.

01:07:54.360 But in the end, he betrays them again and again.

01:07:57.460 So the metapolitical power would be to de-demonize the AFD,

01:08:01.160 that the AFD gets substantial majorities,

01:08:03.340 which make it impossible to govern without them.

01:08:05.600 this will be the metapolitical victory and for this you have to normalize re-migration you have

01:08:10.000 to break these taboos and you have to break the ideological dominance of the left so i would know

01:08:14.720 i would say that um these political victories aren't real like um results of a big

01:08:23.600 metapolitical victory because still these ideas are not normalized and i'm a living example of

01:08:29.440 that i wrote a book about remigration and until recently i got banned from germany i got driven

01:08:34.560 out of german cities german police was crashing my book readings and this is not really a sign

01:08:40.960 that a talking point is normalized and mainstreamed in a certain society so i would say that we have

01:08:48.080 not yet reached at all this meta-political goal of having totally mainstreamed our ideas and the

01:08:54.320 question of the great replacement society if this would be the case then it would be debated as

01:08:59.920 global warming you know as a big important question that everybody has to find an answer

01:09:04.720 for every political party would have to bring up a re-migration policy because it's so normalized

01:09:10.160 and it's so standard that this uh re-migration is um an important question and then it will come

01:09:17.680 policy so i think we are metapolitically too weak and what you're actually seeing is populist

01:09:22.800 populist wins by populist parties writing populist even in the parliament like in italy maybe in

01:09:28.320 in France, or sometimes in Austria, but lacking the metapolitical, the metapolitical power,

01:09:34.420 the think tanks, the academics, the experts, the alternative media, the activists on the streets.

01:09:38.880 And therefore, their political power becomes futile because it's not backed by a real

01:09:43.900 metapolitical force. I want to challenge your theory. Maybe this is the hardest challenge to

01:09:49.540 your theory with the United States. There is a very large populist right movement or national

01:09:55.900 conservatives there is a very very vibrant uh alternative media all the biggest media in

01:10:02.420 america are actually all alternatives and independent independence at this point um

01:10:07.780 to various degrees um trump won uh running very explicitly his first election was build the wall

01:10:16.920 uh he even said he was going to ban muslims from immigrating like

01:10:20.480 stuff that it's like that was outside the overton window he he was running for president on stuff

01:10:26.100 that was outside the overton window um he won the first time the second time obviously it was

01:10:32.700 dispute but you know was ultimately not returned to office and then he returned to office again

01:10:37.360 uh he's gonna build the wall there's gonna be mass deportations they win the presidency

01:10:43.140 republicans win the house republicans win the senate um after a very short experience with

01:10:49.700 mass deportations, they've essentially pulled the plug

01:10:51.820 on it. They're not doing mass deportations

01:10:53.660 anymore. They kind of hyped it up

01:10:55.680 a lot on social media. They'd have these

01:10:57.420 set the hype music.

01:10:59.940 They'd have these little edits going out

01:11:01.660 having ICE going

01:11:03.520 and arresting some

01:11:05.660 pedo or something and who should be

01:11:07.540 deported. They were very public about

01:11:09.700 it, but there was some

01:11:11.520 backlash in Minnesota

01:11:13.080 and whatnot, and they've just kind of pulled the plug

01:11:15.760 on it. They're still doing deportations

01:11:17.580 and they're doing it more aggressively than Europe, but

01:11:19.540 the idea of mass deportations that everyone who's illegal is going to get out. Uh, now they're

01:11:24.880 limiting, you know, Trump has said, well, you know, if they're working on farms or, you know,

01:11:28.220 they're doing these kinds of things and they haven't committed a violent crime in America.

01:11:32.320 Yeah. We're just, we're not going to really get around to it. Uh, you know, there, I feel like

01:11:36.080 kind of business interests have probably, I've intervened, uh, to lobby and say, okay, you want

01:11:41.680 to get rid of the guys committed, you know, you want to get rid of gangbangers who are illegal

01:11:44.640 migrants fine but you know the guys who are just picking berries on a farm in you know in

01:11:51.860 california no they get to stay even if they're illegal um there's no wall i mean there is there

01:11:57.260 more they have cracked down on their southern border but there is no wall he's had three terms

01:12:02.420 now he's into his third term and there's no wall it kind of gets negotiated away for other things

01:12:07.480 um so there i feel like they very much did win the meta-political debate that was what people

01:12:12.740 wanted super majorities of americans say they want it substantial parts of even democratic voters

01:12:18.600 want it um they won total political power they have the supreme court they have the presidency

01:12:23.960 they've got the house and they've got the senate they had everything set for it but it appears

01:12:30.440 that that project they're done with it um so so am i wrong did did i i think they won the

01:12:39.780 metapolitical debate and then they won the power political parliamentary debate they won the votes

01:12:44.740 and they still lost so first of all metapolitics is not something you can win once like an election

01:12:53.080 and then you're granted power for some years it's an ongoing battle you have to always protect power

01:12:58.180 what i would say here is a classic classic example of conservatives winning one battle and then going

01:13:06.740 home back to the farms back to the shire you know thinking everything's done for and now everything

01:13:11.660 will work out and that's not the case because you need to project power as the base against

01:13:18.160 for your own political party when it's in office and then is when the real work starts because

01:13:24.940 that's a big problem there's a pain point for every writing politician trump talks about his

01:13:29.100 business friends and there are many lobbies in america influencing all the time and if the

01:13:33.680 re-migration voter base does not become a lobby itself which encourages uh trump or any any

01:13:40.800 politician but also becomes a pain point for them if they betray their voters then they will get

01:13:46.960 betrayed over and over again one example is meloni in italy she promised a sea blockade when she was

01:13:52.800 in power no sea blockade this would be the moment where writing alternative media independent media

01:13:59.360 white activists would need to do actions get on the streets to see blockade themselves to embarrass

01:14:04.560 her to force her to step in and to do something one example just to be concrete we in austria

01:14:10.800 did this in 2018 when there was a big u.n migration pact and we had a government of the

01:14:16.000 freedom party and the conservative party in austria they um had intentions to sign it they

01:14:21.280 didn't really care about it but then we made a huge campaign petitioning demonstrations we brought

01:14:26.080 to the public um attention and then the freedom party and uh really really put a lot of pressure

01:14:33.360 on the conservative party and austria was one of their own western european countries who did not

01:14:37.840 sign this pact minor example but if we would have slept it would have done nothing then nothing would

01:14:43.040 have happened so we need to become a lobby ourselves we become need to become loud and

01:14:47.040 powerful and we need to support but also criticize the right wing party in power another concrete

01:14:53.840 example so the left is very well organized the right didn't win over the metapolitical dominance

01:14:59.440 in america the universities the ideological state apparatuses according to louis artesia they were

01:15:05.440 still very much left wing but um the right had a very good momentum going on like now we had ice

01:15:13.600 and what happened to ice ice during the raids was harassed persecuted watched and hindered

01:15:22.560 by the left in people by the antifa in a way that made them almost powerless really really

01:15:28.640 really slowed them down and what did right-wingers do they clamored about it online so why didn't

01:15:34.480 they create an eye supporting movement going there binding the forces you know um of the left

01:15:41.680 not violently obviously but just filming them talking to them hindering them and hindering the

01:15:46.640 the ice rates and helping ice like a volunteer ice helping force just one example what one could

01:15:53.440 have done but the problem is in my opinion the right wing doesn't really understand how um they

01:15:58.400 have to work while the political party is in power so again i would say it is a it is um yes it is a

01:16:05.680 loss but it will it isn't against my theory of change because you see it on the left working

01:16:10.640 all the time where left-wing politicians are in power during black life matter the left-wing

01:16:15.120 groups start acting they start forming a radical flank they start pressuring they start lobbying

01:16:20.960 and they're way more effective in that than the right i i think you uh especially the first part

01:16:26.400 of your answer uh maybe touched on it right you know we talked about in austria where the you know

01:16:31.200 the uh the people's party the kind of the mainstream conservative party uh wanted to sign

01:16:35.920 a migration pact then there was there was pressure from the right in the american example i think the

01:16:41.280 problem is that trump voters are too loyal to trump that there there is there's a cult of

01:16:47.200 personality around it um i know a lot of people watching i'm kind of offside with a lot of

01:16:52.220 western-centered readers and viewers on the iran war i i think it's a total betrayal of everything

01:16:56.900 trump stands for he ran for president three times saying no more these forever war uh you know team

01:17:02.860 america world police uh and he was explicitly said no war of the rand the democrats are going

01:17:07.540 to get us into a war with iran and it could be world war three and then he does it anyway and

01:17:12.440 most republicans i mean there's a significant dissenting minority but most republicans say

01:17:18.040 well trump's for it therefore i'm going to trust him and i'm for the war same thing with ending the

01:17:24.360 mass deportations with ice you know ice is still doing its thing but not anywhere near the scale

01:17:29.720 that it was um well trump says it's too hot politically so we're just going to have to take

01:17:36.040 his word for it um and and this is a case i think of where the voter coalition is too loyal to its

01:17:42.700 leadership that the leadership does not fear their own core voters in alberta i know you wouldn't

01:17:48.520 know about this but you know during covid we had a conservative government that was supposed to be

01:17:52.200 a populist conservative government and then they did kind of the same kind of uh lockdowns and

01:17:57.720 mandates as justin trudeau uh was trying to impose nationally and other left-hand politicians in

01:18:03.000 other provinces in Alberta we're not that loyal to our leaders we overthrow actually we haven't

01:18:08.880 had a conservative leader like we're very conservative here we have all pretty much

01:18:12.420 just conservative governments we haven't had a conservative premier finish a single term

01:18:17.200 since I was in high school 2004 was the last time one conservative leader did not get overthrown

01:18:23.680 during their own term so we overthrow them all the time so we overthrew that guy and you know

01:18:31.120 because you know we're loyal to them to a point there are you know they're the leader of the

01:18:34.560 party they're the leader of the movement to an extent but if they deviate you know at least in

01:18:40.320 alberta we overthrow them nationally we tend not to as well we're like well trust the leader trust

01:18:44.640 the plan they're plan followers it's you know it's all a part of the plan and i think so i think

01:18:50.320 maybe where it went wrong united states is trump became too dominant with the movement so that when

01:18:57.040 he deviated from the program when he deviated people just said it's a part of the plan we trust

01:19:01.680 the leader and we're not going to therefore make him pay a political price for deviating from it

01:19:07.760 uh which again i see sort of a medical failure but i see that as almost that's more on the on

01:19:14.720 the parliamentary side that we're not willing to make the leader of the party of the movement

01:19:19.600 of the country etc pay a political price on a political level for betraying what they said

01:19:25.280 said they stood for true i completely agree with you um and that's a problem because we should

01:19:31.220 follow ideas not people because it is about ideas and it's about policy and not about politicians

01:19:37.080 and i also understand yes some trump voters some other people feel betrayed i have to say for me

01:19:42.620 the way more important point in geopolitics where also my opinion is migration is uh mass deportations

01:19:49.980 because that's actually what's really saving the american nation that's also what would cause

01:19:55.560 irreversible damage contrary to geopolitical decisions if it wasn't um pushed through and

01:20:02.300 here again i think it's a question not about the theory of change about meta politics but

01:20:07.040 not about political willpower and organization because we need to learn from successful lobbies

01:20:12.620 they're always clamoring about trump and other right-wing politicians they're influenced by

01:20:16.340 lobbies true yeah but if we cry about it doesn't change we need to become a lobby ourselves

01:20:21.860 and how does it work it's very clear very easy so how does the nra work how does the pro-life

01:20:28.580 movement work how does the israel lobby work in america they create powerful think tanks and

01:20:34.740 institutions that influence the core water base of the political party they get the data they

01:20:42.660 organize them they create newsletters petitions they they create huge events and then they uh

01:20:49.300 they forge a political weapon they turn a political weapon out of the five ten fifteen

01:20:54.020 percent of the core water base of the political party that are die-hard fans and hardcore fans

01:20:59.380 of the ideology and then they use them in grassroots constituents of activism to influence

01:21:06.180 the certain politicians and west is happening on the right quest is happening on the question

01:21:11.540 of migration i'm not hearing about anything about the lobby for remigration organizing big conferences

01:21:16.820 mobilizing the republican voter base voted for trump to stop mass migration we just are talking

01:21:22.900 we have so many talking heads we have so many podcasts influence alternative media what we're

01:21:27.860 lacking is grassroots organizers activists think tanks to understand that we really need to become

01:21:34.020 a lobby and those things not happen by themselves by wipes and memes but by grassroots brutal

01:21:40.660 grassroots organization and i think that's why um it's not working so well in terms of

01:21:46.260 re-migration because the re-migration movement is very vocal very visible especially if you're an

01:21:52.820 axe but it's not very organized it's not very structured it doesn't really have a sense of

01:21:58.900 power like the left wing or some other right wing lobbies have so i would i stick by my theory of

01:22:04.980 change of a metabolic story i wasn't convinced but i agree with you that we are not really

01:22:11.300 having big successes on this play field until now well i i'm not not convinced by it i'm just

01:22:18.340 looking at where have we won certain battles but still not actually won the war uh so that's where

01:22:25.460 i'm going i i think what you were just saying was also an excellent plug for your own organization

01:22:29.380 the institute for remigration well of course this was uh by accident yeah yeah that's exactly what

01:22:36.500 we're going to do i'm i'm i've been an activist for a while we've done a lot of things i'm maybe

01:22:42.180 some of your viewers even knew know about different europe where we chartered a ship and went to the

01:22:47.060 mediterranean we um put up fences in the italian french alps we uh blocked streets so i've been

01:22:55.140 doing a lot in the office my office was the streets been also organizing a lot of rallies

01:22:59.940 and demonstrations and now i want to focus on exactly this field because i think that's the

01:23:05.140 missing puzzle piece of the remigration writing movement we have a lot of great alternative media

01:23:10.500 which is of utmost importance so i think what you're doing is really metapolitically very very

01:23:16.500 important and as you said no one else in canadian media would even talk to someone like me it takes

01:23:21.700 someone like you who is independent who can choose to whom he talks by himself huge very important

01:23:28.180 we have activist movements we have parties but i think like kind of a missing piece are think

01:23:33.780 tanks organizers who take all these resources forge certain narrative strategies to turn us

01:23:39.700 into a real powerful lobby and that's what we're intending to do with the institute for immigration

01:23:44.980 which is in statunas sandy like in the state of being founded right now okay well uh martin

01:23:52.180 selder i'm very grateful for your time um keep up the work you're doing uh keep us up to date with

01:23:59.380 uh with what's happening and uh perhaps we'll touch base i'm gonna be over in your neck of the woods

01:24:04.100 not too not too long from now thank you very much and greetings to all canadian patriots from austria

01:24:14.980 We'll be right back.

Western Standard - March 22, 2026

The war against mass migration

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