Western Standard - There will be no reconciliation without truth

00:00:00.000 Good day. Welcome to the Corey Morgan Show. What a crazy news year. It's going to be wrapping up

00:00:08.020 to be. We've got elections going on on either side of Alberta. We've got elections south of

00:00:12.620 the border. You know, war breaking out in the Middle East. What else is new over there?

00:00:18.220 But endless subjects for political weenies like me to cover and share with you. So thanks for

00:00:23.520 joining in to share those with me today. Use that comment scroll. I see a few of you checking in.

00:00:28.460 Those of you who are watching live, Jessica out in Ontario, Colleen, Jordan. I appreciate seeing

00:00:33.320 that there's actually people out there watching. I'm not just talking to myself like I do when I'm

00:00:37.320 driving in the car alone. And yeah, send me questions, comments, ideas. It helps keep the

00:00:43.160 show lively and just keep things civil. So I'm going to have Dr. Frances Witterson on a little

00:00:49.660 later. She's going to talk about reconciliation, those sorts of issues. She, of course, had been

00:00:54.100 fired by the Mount Royal University for daring to question the orthodoxy on Indigenous affairs

00:01:00.880 in Canada. So it should be a good conversation. It ties into what my opening rant, I guess you say,

00:01:06.860 is about. So good to see you there, Mr. Stanley and the Saxon fella and Paradoxie. Lots of folks

00:01:11.420 checking in. So let's talk. Yeah, we had Truth and Reconciliation Day. The other one, Canada observed

00:01:17.200 its fourth one, and the truth was often actually nowhere to be found. In fact, myths and fabrications

00:01:23.080 were just more deeply entrenched as Indigenous people were invited and encouraged to share tales

00:01:27.860 of historical abuse while never being challenged on the veracity of their claims. Now, the granddaddy

00:01:33.320 of all those myths is, of course, the false claim of 215 children having died of abuse being buried at

00:01:38.400 the Kamloops Residential School. Now, that hoax endures despite years of passing and not a single body

00:01:44.820 has been found, or are there any records of children actually disappearing at the institution?

00:01:49.380 The local Indigenous band, though, was given $8 million to investigate the issue, but they didn't

00:01:53.920 really tell anybody what they did with the funds or release any of the conclusions of their alleged

00:01:57.620 investigation, and yeah, they found no bodies. The claims of abuse, though, they're escalating,

00:02:02.840 as it appears to be like a race between people to recount a historic horror that outdoes prior ones.

00:02:08.520 I mean, one of the enduring and ludicrous claims is that children in Kamloops' school were

00:02:12.300 awakened in the night to go out and bury bodies of murdered children as recently as in the 1960s.

00:02:17.400 Now, if this was true, the RCMP should be exhuming these grave sites and trying to find the

00:02:21.660 perpetrators of these crimes. There's no investigation, of course, because it never

00:02:24.800 happened. That didn't stop the CBC, though. The state broadcaster aired the claim of

00:02:29.620 surreptuously interred children just the other day without questioning it. The mythology isn't just

00:02:35.500 spread through news broadcasts. A Canadian-produced detective series I was watching had a scene depicting

00:02:40.560 an electric chair sitting in the basement of an abandoned residential school. It was explained

00:02:44.880 that the chair was used routinely by priests and nuns to torture students. The electric chair myth

00:02:49.880 is an unfounded story among many that include other alleged atrocities like hanging babies from

00:02:55.820 hooks and forcing children to work in crematoriums in the basements of residential schools.

00:02:59.520 The stories sound outlandish because they are. These things never happened, yet we have Canadian

00:03:04.860 productions reinforcing the belief they did. Then we have the term genocide. It's been improperly

00:03:10.480 applied in Canada for years. With no actual genocide to be found, activists have broadened

00:03:15.060 the definition of genocide instead, claiming cultural genocide had been committed. It's an

00:03:19.640 abuse of the term, and it's an insult to the races and cultures that experienced real genocide.

00:03:24.100 Canada is an imperfect nation, but it's not a genocidal one, and to state that truth is to

00:03:28.140 invite an onslaught of abuse on social media and bring about the labels, of course, of denier

00:03:32.800 and racist. The NDP is even trying to criminalize disputing allegations of Canadian genocide, and their

00:03:38.480 bill to do it might just pass in the Canadian House of Commons. The cycle of victimhood continues to

00:03:42.980 expand as people self-identify as intergenerational victims of residential schools. And one young

00:03:48.500 social media influencer, he was applauded on X for his bravery as he announced his grandparents,

00:03:53.060 uncles, and aunts all went to residential schools. Now, while it's not impossible, it's pretty unlikely

00:03:57.780 that his family members were residential school attendees. Only 150,000 children attended those

00:04:02.480 schools over the course of a century. In the last generation, there were very few who actually

00:04:06.480 attended. But if you listen to the claims of some, it appears as if every Indigenous person in Canada

00:04:10.900 over the age of 50 attended a residential school, and nobody ever questions those claims for fear of

00:04:15.580 being labeled intolerant or insensitive. When I questioned the gentleman's assertion, he responded

00:04:20.380 with a tirade of obscenities and blocked me. Typical response to questions rather than presenting

00:04:24.920 evidence. He also identified himself, though, as a residential day school survivor. What was a residential

00:04:30.700 day school? Well, residential day schools were structures built on reserves where children would

00:04:34.980 leave home in the morning, attend classes, then return home. In other words, they were schools.

00:04:39.680 The only difference is the ones on reserves were under federal management. Most of us did indeed

00:04:43.780 survive school, but we don't have to put the label survivor in front of everything we say.

00:04:48.280 Now, with true residential school attendees becoming actually a rare commodity, race hustlers in the

00:04:53.420 legal world turned their attention to regular schools, and it paid off. Children who attended these

00:04:58.220 day schools took part in a massive class action suit, which the government settled rather than fought.

00:05:03.020 150,000 survivors of these day schools qualify for payouts between $10,000 and $200,000 each.

00:05:10.820 Now, the widespread in compensation is based on the alleged suffering due to attending the schools.

00:05:15.280 That's quite an incentive for claimants to make up horrific stories about their time in the school,

00:05:19.020 isn't it? And since nobody dares to question the assertions, the stories get wild and unbelievable.

00:05:24.660 Ironically, there probably would have been a class action suit launched if there weren't day schools

00:05:28.320 either, as children would have lost the opportunity to get an education. The provision of education is

00:05:32.520 entrenched in most treaties, actually, because bans signing on to the treaties demanded it. Yes,

00:05:37.020 indigenous people actually asked for the schools. The residential school system was not a success.

00:05:43.040 I mean, there's no doubt there was some abuse and that the manner of imposing the system caused

00:05:46.520 terrible social damage. That doesn't mean the system was genocidal, though. And we must, you know,

00:05:51.920 we don't have to accept every spacious claim of abuse at face value. Canada's indigenous people are in

00:05:56.860 dire socioeconomic straits, and something must change. But I mean, things are only going to get

00:06:02.080 worse for them, no matter how much money is tossed their way. To start with, we're entrenching a

00:06:06.920 culture of victimhood based on falsehoods, and it's not helping matters. It's causing social division

00:06:11.380 and has led to hundreds of churches being burned or vandalized, and it's costing a fortune.

00:06:15.540 We do need reconciliation, and we need to put the old divisions to rest. But we need the truth first,

00:06:20.320 though. And as long as we continue to let mythology dominate the day, healing and reconciliation

00:06:24.100 are never going to come. All right. Happy Truth and Reconciliation Week, guys. I'm sure it'll be

00:06:29.480 a week soon, won't it? Whenever Trudeau needs to win new points somewhere else. All right,

00:06:32.880 let's check in on other news going on out there with our news editor. Dave Naylor, you're in studio

00:06:37.660 today. In studio today. We got our camera back from Edmonton, all safe and sound. So yeah.

00:06:42.440 You look much better, you know, presented in the light of the studio rather than the laptop in the

00:06:46.640 newsroom. You know, a friend of mine was talking to me this morning. He said, you know, you bring up the

00:06:50.240 word chemtrails, and all the people are screaming, show us the proof, show us the proof,

00:06:54.080 show us the proof. But you bring up this residential school hoax, and all of a sudden you're accused

00:06:59.840 of being a Holocaust denier. I mean, there's no good comparison. Absolutely no proof that

00:07:06.540 has ever been found. Yeah, and I got the squirrels on X all worked up because I called out the chemtrails

00:07:12.080 lunacy. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, well, just makes more money for you, right? Well, sure. Just keep

00:07:16.600 watching my account, guys, and clicking on it because I am paid by the click. So carry on.

00:07:21.080 Exactly. Good news day again, as usual. It's crazy this week, Corey. Our top story at the

00:07:27.980 moment is the Alberta UCP conference coming up next month in Red Deer will be the biggest

00:07:32.440 political conference convention ever held in Canada. More than 5,400 delegates are signed

00:07:39.640 up to go. So that's going to be quite the party up in Red Deer. Speaking of partying, the Alberta

00:07:45.980 government said today that they are not going to allow booze sales in corner stores or grocery

00:07:52.460 stores. They think things are going just Jim Dandy now. It's despite the fact their conservative

00:07:59.640 counterparts in Ontario just launched it a couple weeks ago, and they actually sped it up to get

00:08:04.800 alcohol and booze in corner stores. We got the transportation safety report into a horrible

00:08:11.320 crash west of Calgary last year where a small plane took off carrying six people and crashed

00:08:17.980 into the side of the mountain during foggy or cloudy conditions. And the report says it

00:08:23.100 was mainly pilot error because the pilot shouldn't have been attempting to fly in those conditions

00:08:28.260 and sadly made a terrible mistake. And we've got a mainstream poll out showing the Liberals,

00:08:35.520 believe it or not, are on track to win zero seats in Ontario. Can you imagine that? Zero

00:08:40.760 seats in the biggest province in the country, including zero in Toronto. It's just quite

00:08:47.700 unbelievable, Corey, how low Trudeau is going. And we've got our opinion editor, Nigel Hannaford,

00:08:56.180 talking about the situation in Israel, saying he doesn't expect it to become a World War III

00:09:02.320 type scenario. And we'll certainly be keeping our eyes all day on what's going to be happening and

00:09:08.000 when Israel strikes back, because at some point, you know, they're going to in a very forceful way.

00:09:13.640 And our British Columbia reporter, Jared Yager, is on the scene right now in Vancouver where a

00:09:18.920 leaders debate is going on. And he'll have a report on that later on this afternoon, Corey.

00:09:24.960 Great. Yeah. Jared's really been producing out there in BC regular stories along with covering that

00:09:29.720 election. Well, you know what? It's been many, many years since we've had an interesting election in

00:09:35.460 BC. So this one is truly going to be exciting. And our Chris Holcourt in Saskatchewan, they kicked

00:09:42.660 their election off yesterday. So Western Standard is a place for all your Western election coverage.

00:09:48.280 Absolutely. And I'm looking forward to that federal election too, to see if Trudeau can pull off a seat

00:09:52.120 in Ontario. Please bring it on. Set the bar low. Hey, and he's even projected now to lose his own

00:09:56.520 seat in Papineau, Montreal. So wouldn't that be terrible? Oh, that would be such a shame.

00:10:02.560 I still can't, I don't understand how he can't see this humiliation coming and stay on.

00:10:07.920 He's living in a cloistered world. Whatever. They're riding the train down gives us lots to go on about

00:10:13.860 anyways. Yep, exactly. All right. Well, I'll let you back into that newsroom, Dave. I appreciate the

00:10:18.220 check-in in person. It's much better this way. Much better. And we'll talk to you after the show.

00:10:23.240 Thanks, Corey. All right. Thanks. As you can hear, yes, lots of stuff going on, guys. Lots of stuff

00:10:28.160 breaking. It's a crazy world out there. And yeah, it gives us lots to try and cover and sort through.

00:10:34.100 The reason Dave's so busy in there and so many reporters are expanding into other areas,

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00:11:15.660 get on there, guys. Westernstandard.news slash subscription and take one out if you haven't

00:11:21.820 yet. And if you already have, thank you very much. So you see, it's funny to watch the comments

00:11:29.480 grow. I know some of the people watching this on TV and such who weren't watching it live. You don't

00:11:32.840 get to see some of it, but it's good to see a guy pop out of the woodwork. I mean, they're just like

00:11:37.400 like, you know, mice or other pests. You know, when you try to talk about the subject, the first

00:11:44.080 thing they do is come out and call racism. It means they have no case. So we have George Nelson

00:11:49.460 popping in there. Doesn't really sound like an indigenous name, but who knows? You know, but

00:11:52.980 he's white knighting is what he's doing on behalf of our First Nations. Oh, wild and unbelievable.

00:11:57.600 Just like white folk are saviors. Ah, piss off, George. You know, we're tired of you guys

00:12:04.060 sidelining the narrative and you're falling to the wayside. People are speaking up. We've

00:12:08.460 had it. We've got to talk about these things and we're tired of, you know, being told what

00:12:14.160 we can cover and what we can't cover. It's very scary when we have, you know, bills being

00:12:21.260 proposed to actually make it illegal to discuss an issue. And that's what we're looking at from

00:12:26.360 the NDP on this. It's absurd. And when the federal government is in such disarray and so

00:12:31.140 desperate and led by such a clown, it's not impossible to believe that this bill might

00:12:36.680 get through. I don't think that anybody, people like my upcoming guests would probably be charged

00:12:43.000 under that bill. I'm certain my monologue probably would have gotten me charged under that ridiculous

00:12:47.240 bill. We would get through the courts because then, you know, I would almost say, fine, charge

00:12:53.900 me, charge me, take me to court. And then we can go through the process of discovery. That'll

00:12:59.100 be really interesting, won't it? So then would we perhaps need to take a shovel out in Kamloops

00:13:04.240 and have a look around? Let's just see if there's 215 children down there. There might

00:13:08.880 be, there might. But if that's the case, why the hell haven't we dug them up and gotten

00:13:14.020 on with a forensic investigation to find out what happened? Why haven't we repatriated these

00:13:18.400 children with their families? It's funny, we're turning over the entire Winnipeg landfill to

00:13:23.460 look for a couple of bodies that might be there because apparently it's sacred to find the

00:13:27.780 remains of these indigenous people and put them to rest with their families. Okay, fair

00:13:31.600 enough. But then when you talk about Kamloops, they say, no, we have to leave those children

00:13:34.640 there. It's sacred ground. What do you mean? They're murder victims. According to you guys,

00:13:37.520 their story bounces all over the place. Again, we need truth. And when you shut down discourse,

00:13:43.620 you will never find the truth. Maybe I'm wrong. Okay, fine. Let's have the discussion. Let's have

00:13:49.200 it in the open. Don't try to shut me up. Don't call me names. Don't try to make laws to make it

00:13:53.120 illegal for me to even talk about these things. That's not the way to find the truth. That's the

00:13:57.900 way to a dictatorship. That's North Korean stuff, guys, which I guess shouldn't be terribly shocking

00:14:02.920 from people like the New Democratic Party of Alberta. But we've also had an issue in academia,

00:14:09.060 and this has been going on for a long time, and spread around. And certainly a victim of it has been

00:14:14.700 Dr. Frances Widows, and she's been outspoken. And she's been a fantastic critical voice on this issue.

00:14:20.600 And, well, she's still getting cancelled as she tries to discuss these issues. So I'm going to

00:14:26.720 bring Ms. Widowson on, and we'll discuss some of that. So thank you very much for joining us today,

00:14:31.660 Dr. Widowson. Welcome back to the show. Thanks for having me on.

00:14:36.000 So you took part in the creation of that book, Grave Error, which kind of discussed some of the

00:14:40.580 Kamloops issue and the residential school's hysteria and some of these things, a well-researched

00:14:45.180 book. And like with any book, you would go out, you would promote, you would discuss.

00:14:50.600 But it appears you're getting cancelled in your attempts to do so.

00:14:54.500 That's correct. So, well, I was cancelled at the University of Lathbridge in February 2023. I was

00:15:01.880 able to speak at the University of Alberta in January 2024 on academic freedom under security.

00:15:10.500 Planned quite well, but very expensive. And then I am going to the University of Regina tomorrow.

00:15:17.780 I was supposed to give two talks. I've been invited by the President of the Society for Academic Freedom

00:15:23.660 and Scholarship to give two talks there. One on the Grave Error at Kamloops. Should it be described

00:15:32.180 as a hoax? That's the question. So I'm going to look at the arguments. I was going to look at the

00:15:38.920 arguments that were being put forward in favour of that position and those that are opposed to putting

00:15:45.300 for that. Myself, I actually don't think hoax is the best word for it personally, but my mind can be

00:15:52.740 changed on it. Anyway, Jeff Cashin, who I know very well, he was the Dean of Arts at MRU. Great guy.

00:15:58.820 He's now the president at U of R. And his associates decided I should not be allowed to speak on that

00:16:08.900 subject or on indigenization and academic freedom because it would create an unsafe environment

00:16:17.300 there, which is absolute nonsense. At the University of Alberta, where I spoke,

00:16:23.780 it was all theatrical. People grandstanding speaking off their phones. It's not, this is no danger. So

00:16:32.020 this is just being used as an excuse to censor critical views about all the areas of Indigenous

00:16:40.820 policy that are currently going on. Anyway, I'm going in anyway to the University of Regina. I've got my

00:16:47.140 colleague Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson, an Indigenous psychologist and adjunct professor at U of R.

00:16:53.620 And we are going in there tomorrow at 11 o'clock to do some Spectrum Street epistemology. The claim

00:17:00.260 that we're going to examine is this university protects academic freedom. That's our claim.

00:17:08.660 Yeah. Well, and I mean, just to explain to some folks who might not be as familiar with, you know,

00:17:13.540 academic freedom, the concepts of it, the importance of it. I mean, it's been battled over

00:17:17.540 generations. And that's the reason tenure was created. I mean, so that an academic could take

00:17:23.140 up an unpopular position, even an incorrect position, but would be protected to be able

00:17:27.860 to at least examine and discuss and move forward with that. But the protection of tenure, as you

00:17:33.220 unfortunately demonstrated, has been torn away where they would rather, again, shut people down

00:17:39.300 and have a discourse. That's a very disturbing trend for higher education.

00:17:43.460 It is universities cannot survive without it. And we are seeing serious corrosion of the ability to

00:17:52.580 discuss a number of issues in the university. Indigenization is, is one of the big ones,

00:18:00.500 but there's a number of other ones as well. Trans activism being the most, the one that comes to mind

00:18:06.180 the most. And people who are not concerned about the state of our universities don't understand

00:18:13.700 the important role that universities play. We need universities because that's where our

00:18:19.540 professionals come from. That's where, and if you're going to have an ideological training ground

00:18:26.340 for those professions, the level of services that you're going to get are going to be inferior.

00:18:32.740 We need to be able to pursue the truth. And we can't do that anymore at the universities. And so

00:18:39.220 what is that going to mean for the level of knowledge in society? And finally, as the Supreme

00:18:46.180 Court has stated in a decision, we need to have freedom to be able to self-actualize as human beings. So

00:18:55.620 universities are one of the bulwarks against the dictatorial developments that are happening in

00:19:03.780 the wider society. And if you knock out the universities and the ability to discuss things

00:19:09.300 there, you are going to have a domino effect in the rest of society. So people are not worried about

00:19:15.940 our universities because there's a few eggheads who are getting canceled. It has much, much wider

00:19:22.580 implications that everyone should be concerned about.

00:19:27.540 Well, absolutely. And just the social aspects, the broader discussion among student bodies and

00:19:32.980 others, the evolution of this. And again, there's always been battles between the establishment sort

00:19:37.700 of higher educational institutions. A couple of generations ago, it was more the left screaming

00:19:42.980 for the right to speak out against wars, to speak in favor of women's rights and of minority rights.

00:19:50.580 They were getting shut down by the establishment, or at least pressured, and they fought to have those

00:19:55.140 discussions on university grounds. Now it's those people of the same ideology, but it's the next

00:20:00.100 generation, and they're the ones trying to shut out broader discourse. I mean, the danger is the same

00:20:06.500 both ways. We have to protect these institutions so that we can examine even the issues that make us

00:20:13.540 squeamish or controversial.

00:20:15.620 Exactly. And this phenomenon now is what has been called wokeism, which is the identity politics that has

00:20:25.300 become totalitarian. So people who demand that you must affirm the identities of oppressed groups. And

00:20:32.420 you mentioned in your introduction, the residential school. So if you see yourself as a residential school

00:20:38.100 survivor, everyone else must pretend to believe that because it's argued that somehow this will

00:20:46.020 enable you to empower yourself and overcome the oppression that your group has experienced.

00:20:52.980 This is not a left-wing position to demand that subjective beliefs, whatever they may be,

00:21:00.660 should be affirmed. In fact, it is going to have terrible consequences for the indigenous population

00:21:06.580 because the indigenous population needs truth more than anyone else needs it. Like they need to understand

00:21:13.860 why indigenous people continue to suffer these terrible conditions. And what is happening now is all

00:21:21.460 sorts of falsehoods are being manufactured by the Aboriginal industry, which is a group of lawyers and

00:21:28.260 consultants, largely non-indigenous, that diverts money, billions upon billions of dollars away

00:21:37.540 from the much needed services in indigenous communities, healthcare, education, combating the fetal

00:21:45.140 alcohol syndrome problem, the huge fetal alcohol syndrome problem, the water problems. This is not getting

00:21:52.660 resolved because we're spending money on trying to find non-existent missing children and giving funds to

00:21:59.780 people like Sean Carlton, Keisha Soubernant, Negan Sinclair, all these sort of people who are promoting this false

00:22:10.420 idea that there's all these murders that have taken place and all these missing children.

00:22:16.660 And it creates a lot of anger within the indigenous population. And they certainly should be angry, but they

00:22:24.660 should be angry at the lawyers who are making billions of dollars off of all these ridiculous

00:22:31.940 types of initiatives that are going on instead of addressing the actual problems which exist in

00:22:38.340 indigenous communities. Well, yeah, that gets onto something. I mean, when a lawyer or a firm wins a

00:22:43.860 class action, they've hit the jackpot. I mean, those are big ones because you can be speaking on behalf of

00:22:48.740 thousands or in this case, a hundred and some thousand people, and you take a little shave off of every

00:22:53.860 settlement. And I found it really disturbing when I looked into the day school settlement. So the

00:22:57.460 government, again, they didn't even want to fight this. That's, oh boy, you know what? We'll just cut

00:23:00.740 a big check. We will settle for kids who went to school. 10,000 to 200,000 is the range of the

00:23:07.620 settlement, depending on what the student claimed as abuse. Well, every student is going to claim

00:23:14.020 massive abuse. I mean, I'm sure there's some principled ones who are just going to say, well,

00:23:17.700 boy, I could use $200,000, but you know what? It wasn't so bad. I'm not going to lie to claim that.

00:23:22.820 But unfortunately, some people are going to make stuff up and nobody will question it.

00:23:26.260 I hate to say it, but there's monetary reason to make up myths and atrocities, which again,

00:23:34.180 if people believe those though, it harms the other indigenous people thinking that these

00:23:38.020 things really happened. It's an awful cycle we've began.

00:23:40.420 Exactly. And it's not even, one doesn't even have to go so far as to say people are

00:23:46.500 intentionally lying about these things. You know, people tend to have confirmation biases

00:23:53.460 where they believe things that are in their interest. Memories are incredibly malleable

00:24:00.100 and you have people now going around with all these terrible stories. So it doesn't take much

00:24:06.180 for those stories to be absorbed into the psychology of people. And what you're going to find is that when

00:24:12.580 you make these payouts because you're not addressing the root cause of the problems,

00:24:19.140 you're going to have even more anger that is going to exist within the indigenous population

00:24:25.380 because they're going to deep down know that they have been used by this huge industry of people that

00:24:31.540 is making billions of dollars while they continue to live in these terrible conditions,

00:24:38.500 which need to be addressed. And that's what we need to be focusing on. But we're getting diverted

00:24:43.780 because of the understandable sympathy that people feel for the terrible conditions that

00:24:49.700 indigenous people are experiencing. So it is this terrible cycle that's now been going on,

00:24:55.060 I guess, since the 1970s, when we decided the way to address indigenous problems was to just

00:25:01.700 divert huge amounts of money to the indigenous organizations, and they could look after the

00:25:06.340 problems. But they don't look after the problems. They just distribute that money amongst all the

00:25:12.900 privileged members of the indigenous population. And the underclass is just becoming more and more

00:25:19.380 marginalized. And nothing is being being done to address these problems.

00:25:24.740 So I mean, kind of on a bright side, we have new tools to at least get out there, discuss with people

00:25:30.100 and get information out, though, we should be able to do it right in the these educational institutions.

00:25:35.060 You haven't given up, you're out there, as you said, you're going to be out there later, you're at

00:25:39.140 U of C, I saw your video, you posted that with your Spectrum Street epistemology. So you're bringing the

00:25:45.060 questions to these institutions, just if you want to let us know what you're getting up to there, and then

00:25:48.980 how people can do that on YouTube. This is the way forward, I've decided is because what happens

00:25:54.660 with the universities is they just cancel you in terms of trying to get rooms, because they claim that

00:26:01.060 they're not going to grant you space because this is creates an unsafe environment. And I know this

00:26:06.660 is untrue. So I now I'm getting together some students and free speech groups and so on. And

00:26:14.420 I'm going in to these universities with my portable microphone and speaker and my mats, which are slightly

00:26:22.500 agree strongly agree. And we go in and we look at claims. And on September 30, Kathy Drake, a great

00:26:29.780 student from Mount Royal. We both went into the University of Calgary with our our video equipment

00:26:39.300 and my speakers and my mats. And we discussed the claim, we must have truth before we can have

00:26:46.580 reconciliation. And then we found out where Kathy said strongly agree. But then this led to all sorts of

00:26:54.420 other claims such as the remains of 215 children have been found at the Kamloops Indian Residential

00:27:02.180 School. And of course, Kathy was strongly disagree. I would be strongly disagree. But we're hoping to get

00:27:08.740 other people who would be in the strongly agree kind of camp to discuss it. And at the University of

00:27:16.100 Regina tomorrow at 11 o'clock. And we are Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson and I are going in and we're hoping that

00:27:23.620 there will be other people who will also come and we can we can talk about the serious academic freedom

00:27:30.260 problems that exist at the University of Regina. And Jeff Keshen, who I know well, who's a great guy,

00:27:37.380 I'm calling upon you. You are a leader of the University of Regina. Do something about the terrible

00:27:45.060 academic freedom problems at your university. This needs to be resolved in order for us to be able to

00:27:51.380 discuss these serious issues that are plaguing Canadian society. If we can't discuss them in

00:27:57.300 the universities, we will not be able to discuss them anywhere. Oh, I really appreciate that. And

00:28:03.620 as you said, those discussions have to be held. I mean, there was a University of Lethbridge,

00:28:08.900 a professor some years ago, I can't remember his name, it doesn't really matter. He was a full-fledged,

00:28:13.700 open communist. I strongly, strongly disagree with his ideology. But never for a second did it occur to me

00:28:20.020 that this man should lose his tenure or job over that. It just means we'll get up there and explain

00:28:25.300 why his ideology is sick then. Fight with him, debate with him. I mean, fight, I mean, figuratively,

00:28:29.940 of course. But, you know, to cancel everything by saying it's unsafe. If you want to ask about who's

00:28:34.740 unsafe these days, ask a Jewish student in a university in Canada how they're feeling.

00:28:39.220 But they don't seem to be in a hurry to protect their safety. I do hope that you don't,

00:28:43.780 I know you're not afraid of that. That's why you're jumping right into it. But I hope you don't

00:28:47.700 draw the attention of any, you know, dangerous people when you go out there.

00:28:52.180 This has not happened at all. This is not what this is about. What they're saying is unsafe,

00:28:57.700 is people disagree. They don't like what you're saying. And I'm a socialist. I'm a follower of

00:29:04.340 George Orwell. I'm not some right wing, you know, alt right, you know, whatever kind of epithet you're

00:29:11.860 going to hurl at people. But George Orwell, who was a socialist, was very afraid of the tendencies

00:29:20.100 within some socialist movements to clamp down on people's ability to discuss things freely and all

00:29:27.940 the other freedoms that we have in liberal democratic societies. We want to have those freedoms, but we

00:29:34.980 also want to address the terrible economic circumstances that tend to come along with

00:29:41.460 capitalism as well. But in order to even figure this out, we need to have freedom of expression.

00:29:48.180 Freedom of expression must be the highest value. Because if we don't have the ability to discuss

00:29:55.220 things, we will not be able to figure out all the other values. And so if you're a communist, well,

00:30:01.220 that's an ideology, let's have a discussion. Let's try to figure out whether this is a valid position

00:30:06.900 or not. But we're not going to be able to do that under the current climate, because the truth has

00:30:11.940 already been found. It's just a matter of intimidating people into pretending that they believe

00:30:19.620 this quote unquote, truth, which is not truth. It's a whole bunch of falsehoods, which is just being

00:30:25.780 people are using intimidation to try to get people to go along with.

00:30:28.820 Absolutely. Well, before I let you go, some of the folks watching this on TV, your appearance in

00:30:34.100 Regina will have already passed. But for lots of folks who are watching live right now, you're going

00:30:38.500 to be in Regina tomorrow at the university. And where's your YouTube channel and other social media

00:30:43.460 areas so people can see how it went and perhaps support you or follow you as you go along?

00:30:48.500 Yes. So I'm also giving two talks, one at the library at two o'clock in Saskatchewan, the central branch,

00:30:57.060 and then in the evening at seven o'clock, Paul Viminets, Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson and I are going

00:31:02.500 to be speaking on cancel culture in universities. The best place to find me is on Twitter, Woke Academy.

00:31:10.340 That's the handle and everything goes through there. I also have a YouTube channel, but I believe it's

00:31:16.420 Francis Whittowson 1600. If you just Google my name on YouTube, you'll be able to find that YouTube channel.

00:31:23.460 Great. Well, thank you very much for what you're doing and for joining us today, Dr. Whittowson.

00:31:27.140 I hope it goes great in Regina tomorrow and with your further activities.

00:31:30.340 Yes. Yes. Fight now and fight hard. Thanks a lot.

00:31:33.140 Thank you.

00:31:33.780 Bye-bye.

00:31:34.900 Bye. So yes, as was said, if you look up Francis Whittowson, you can find the information on social

00:31:40.100 media and what she's up to. It's good to see because a lot just give up, a lot throw their hands up. I'm

00:31:44.580 certain there's a lot of people in academia who want to have good, long, nuanced discussions on these

00:31:49.460 issues, but they're afraid of it. They're afraid of the pushback. They're afraid of the intimidation.

00:31:53.300 And we've seen that. We've seen the universities. I've seen things with other, yes, it's usually

00:31:58.100 conservatives who are the victims of it, but you know, where these lunatics will be outside pushing

00:32:02.260 air horns and banging drums and doing everything they can to stop critical discussion. If you're not

00:32:09.620 on the side of speech, you're wrong. It's as simple as that. You're wrong. If you can't debate

00:32:17.940 the concept of the other person without trying to shut down their ability to even express themselves

00:32:23.140 and speak, you're wrong. You've lost. And in the long run, you will lose. You're not saving anybody.

00:32:29.540 You're not helping anybody by shutting down discourse. When it comes to First Nations policy,

00:32:35.060 and I've written on it a lot, I spent a lot of time, I was what, 20 years in the oil field before,

00:32:40.500 you know, I moved on to things like this right now. And the question I got to ask people, how's

00:32:47.540 it working out so far? You know, we've had a whole generation of admitting and accepting mistakes were

00:32:53.700 made of trying to fix damage from past bad policy. But how is it working out? I'll tell you how it's

00:33:01.300 working out. Terribly. Absolutely terribly. The reserve system is a catastrophe. If you haven't

00:33:10.180 been to a reserve, go check one out. Go for a drive. A lot of them have no trespassing signs. You can't

00:33:15.540 even get into them anymore. It used to be kind of more open. You want to get a little piece of the

00:33:20.420 third world within Canada. Get onto a northern reserve and have a look around. Look at the

00:33:25.860 dilapidated houses. Look at the visible evidence of substance abuse. Look at the wild dogs. Yeah,

00:33:30.980 they typically have wild dog problems on these reserves. Now you see, the discussion quickly

00:33:35.540 turns to all your, what are you shooting at natives? No, I'm shooting at the conditions of the reserve.

00:33:39.540 Don't try to shut it down by calling me a racist for criticizing policy. A policy is not a race,

00:33:45.780 but policies can be racist. And you know what's racist policy? The reserve system. It doesn't get

00:33:51.300 any more racist than that. We're taking a race of people and separating them from everybody else. And

00:33:57.540 then we're not, we can't seem to understand why the people who are separated from everybody else

00:34:02.420 are in a socioeconomic nightmare. We've been here before, guys, in South Africa. We did that. How did

00:34:09.300 that work out? It did end eventually, but look at the suffering, the division, the lack of progress that

00:34:14.580 it caused, the foolishness of those vain, dominant boars who felt that they could take a portion of

00:34:21.940 the population and stick them off to the side, utilize them when they feel is right or wrong.

00:34:26.900 That didn't help anybody. And the current reserve system isn't helping anybody on or off the reserve.

00:34:33.140 We have to admit it's a bad policy. We have to work towards an end of that policy. There's no simple

00:34:39.540 way to end it. We can't just flick a switch and say, okay, the reserve system's over. You're on your

00:34:43.220 own. No, I understand that. There's been some good writing on how we can start to work towards that

00:34:49.060 though, within using property rights. Start to think about looking down the road, splitting these

00:34:54.100 reserves up. What are we seeing in the long run? What do you see out of things? A lot of people talk

00:34:59.540 about too, they say, oh, it's the treaties, the trees. Oh, BS. BS. Look, read the treaties, look them up.

00:35:05.140 They're online. They're quite easy to find. And they're actually pretty simple documents. For the most part,

00:35:11.300 they just show the boundaries of what the reserve is supposed to be. That's where there's been a lot

00:35:15.620 of infringements. That's where the government suddenly, you know, discovered, hey, I want

00:35:18.420 that chunk of land. We're sorry, we gave it to you. And we're going to infringe on it later. Okay,

00:35:21.460 fine. And we've been working on resolving those things. Most of the other stuff is in the Indian

00:35:26.100 Act. It's not in the treaties. One of the things that was in the treaties, as I said in my monologue,

00:35:30.580 is schools actually, ironically, that the demand was education had to be provided for the people on the

00:35:36.980 reserves. And then of course, the government had to find a way to do that. And that's how they set

00:35:40.980 up the residential schools in the first place. But whatever. The bottom line is, we don't have to

00:35:46.900 maintain the reservation system, the reserve system, due to the treaties, this land can be split up,

00:35:53.540 get rid of the Indian Act. I mean, listen, the name itself stinks. It's an outdated term,

00:35:58.500 Indians are from India. But that's the name of the Act. And it's a racist document. It's two tiered

00:36:05.380 policy. It's policy for people of this race versus people of that race. No country where you have

00:36:10.900 literally entrenched policies for different races. It never ends well. If we want equality,

00:36:17.940 we want reconciliation, we all have to be together. And of course, I see George Nelson,

00:36:22.740 the pinhead who's in my comment scroll, the folks watching on TV aren't seeing it, that's fine.

00:36:27.380 He brought up the A word assimilation. Oh, blow it out your butt, George.

00:36:32.740 George, evolution isn't assimilation. First Nations people, pre-Columbian,

00:36:42.740 were Neolithic nomadic cultures. It's not an insult. It's just the actual technical state of

00:36:48.900 where the development was with the First Nations people at that time. And in a relatively short time,

00:36:55.380 they had to go from that, into as a culture, as people, into look at the modern structures and

00:37:02.020 concepts and politics and ideology that we have today. It's no wonder it takes generations and

00:37:06.740 generations and generations to adapt to that. So yes, there's been dysfunction.

00:37:14.180 But we can't just sit and say that those old ways were better. They weren't. They were primitive.

00:37:20.020 And again, every culture, you go far enough back, there's going to be that. Now, to come out of that old

00:37:25.860 primitive culture, to bring somebody forth from it, isn't assimilation. It's adaptation. It's moving

00:37:33.060 forward. You don't have to lose your cultural practices. You don't have to lose your values.

00:37:38.340 You don't have to lose your language. But you do have to move out of a lot of the old ways.

00:37:45.860 You know, the days of a subsistence, diet, nomadic world are gone. And guess what? There's that

00:37:52.020 romanticized version too, as if the First Nations were living in some sort of Disneyland paradise before

00:38:00.340 European colonization came about. Guys, they died before the age of 30 on average. It was a horrific

00:38:07.460 short. I believe there was a description saying brutish life. They were warlike amongst each other.

00:38:12.660 I mean, it wasn't a paradise, folks. And you know, these modern comforts of today,

00:38:21.300 which they should be able to enjoy like everybody else, and they're moving towards it. But Angela,

00:38:26.660 yeah, one of the commenters saying, victimhood is being used like a currency. And it is,

00:38:30.020 and it is. And when they sink in, oh, woe is me, woe is me, woe is I, and everybody else, yes, woe is you.

00:38:36.420 How do you ever advance and move forward when you perpetually consider yourself a victim? Yet we

00:38:40.980 entrench that. We constantly go on and on about it. It's not like we want to forget the injustices.

00:38:46.020 No, they happened. And if there's ways to reconcile those injustices, let's do it. But to mire themselves

00:38:53.780 and for the establishment to encourage people to be mired in this, everything and anything that goes

00:38:59.780 wrong in your life is somebody else's fault. Guess what? You're never gonna get better

00:39:03.620 in your own life and world. Fantastic people on those reserves, fantastic people. I worked with

00:39:09.220 them a lot when I was in the field. But the conditions they're in is just a recipe for

00:39:15.380 dysfunction for misery. And by every measure, it's failing. We can't pretend we aren't spending on it.

00:39:21.300 Look at First Nations spending federally, provincially, locally, first, you know, on top and above every

00:39:28.660 other service that First Nations people get as Canadians, which they should. How's it working?

00:39:34.900 Well, lowest life expectancies, highest cancer incidents because of poor lifestyle habits,

00:39:41.380 highest crime rates, highest domestic violence rates, lowest education completement rates.

00:39:46.500 They're failing on every single front. How bad does it have to get for admitting it's a failure?

00:39:52.100 And it still always astounds me. What do these usually, you know, white bread urban liberals think?

00:39:57.220 What do they think when they say we got to preserve these reserves, these isolated northern reserves,

00:40:00.740 the ones that I've been up to, where there's no local resources, really? I mean, certainly it seemed

00:40:05.140 like a good chunk to grab 130 years ago, when you thought you could live off the land in a cabin and

00:40:10.260 hunt and fish those days are gone. So what do you expect? And what do they want? Do they see a nice

00:40:15.620 little zoo there? I've protected some, some indigenous people up there. We'll just fund that. It's a place we

00:40:20.500 can go look at now and then and perhaps they'll do a dance in their jingle dress for us or something.

00:40:25.860 No, they're misery. They're terrible up there. And it's not doing them any favors at all. No matter

00:40:31.460 how much money is pumped in. What do you expect? They're stuck in the middle of nowhere and told

00:40:34.900 their victims every day. They're not going to get out of that. I mean, okay, so here we go. Here's one

00:40:40.020 of the beauties to George saying. George, yeah, because he's such a prime example. He's beautiful. I'm

00:40:44.740 glad he's in the comment scroll today. Boil water advisories. Yes, the water issue, the water issue on

00:40:50.340 First Nation reserves. Why is there never water available? Clean water on First Nation reserves?

00:40:56.740 Well, guess what guys? It's not for lack of funding. Oh no, it isn't. Multiple governments

00:41:01.620 for decades have been giving them water for money for water supplies, but they blow it. They don't

00:41:07.380 spend it on clean water. Look, I live on an acreage. I get clean water from the ground to a filtration

00:41:13.700 system into my house and I drink it every day. It's no problem, but I have to maintain it. It takes a

00:41:18.420 degree of personal responsibility. I have to spend the money on that. I have to check on it and then

00:41:23.140 pay somebody to check my system and fix it. That's not happening on the reserves because we've created

00:41:28.180 dependencies where they aren't being responsible. And it's not saying that these people are inherently

00:41:34.260 irresponsible. They've been put into a position of irresponsibility overrun by bureaucrats. Whereas

00:41:40.820 municipalities everywhere else can manage to deliver clean water and take sewage out. Reserves can't

00:41:47.940 despite the funding. And it's because it's a broken system, a corrupted system often, unfortunately.

00:41:56.740 And again, yes, you look at many, many of the cases that nobody likes to talk about,

00:42:00.900 but look at some of the stuff that's happened up in the Horse Lakes Reserve in Alberta. I won't go on

00:42:04.260 the long strings of things. Check out some of the joys that Chief Snow brought to the Stoney Reserve out in

00:42:10.660 Alberta. Look, the system isn't working. We've got to have frank discussions. We've got to get realistic

00:42:18.340 on a lot of these things. We've got to start talking about them. We shout people down when we don't allow

00:42:25.220 the discourse, when we illegalize discourse. Is anything going to get better for the First Nations

00:42:32.180 right now? Because they're crap right now. It's not going well. And then when they come off of the

00:42:38.020 reserve, there's where we got a lot of problems too. I mean, go into any major city, particularly

00:42:44.660 in the West, and look at the unfortunate people who are suffering from addiction, who are homeless,

00:42:49.060 who are on the streets. And yes, it's predominantly First Nations people. It means they're having a heck of

00:42:54.340 a time adapting even when they get off the reserve. So yeah, we want to transition. We want to make sure

00:42:59.860 they're doing okay, because obviously something is terribly wrong when they're so overrepresented

00:43:03.460 there. And I get sick of the other discussions too, though, because we see a problem, but we

00:43:07.940 immediately go to the wrong cause. I was listening to news the other day when they talked about the

00:43:13.060 overrepresentation of indigenous people in prisons. Yes, yes, they are far, far more than

00:43:20.500 the represents the population. We're talking prison populations of 40-50% sometimes, even though they

00:43:24.820 only really make up four to 10% of a population in a given area. Why? Well, it's because they're committing

00:43:29.620 the crimes. That's why. And I'm not saying every First Nation is a criminal. No, we've got a problem.

00:43:35.620 We've obviously got a problem. But what are the social aspects that are putting them into conditions

00:43:40.980 where they're committing so many of the crimes? But instead, the woke morons say it must be that

00:43:45.700 because there's racist judges, it must be because there's racist police, it must be because there's

00:43:49.620 racist, you know, court systems. No, that's not the case. The case is a failing system that's

00:43:56.980 unfortunately put these people in a position where they're guaranteed to lose. And then they

00:44:02.180 end up in the prisons, then they end up on fentanyl on the streets, then they end up overdosing.

00:44:06.580 It's, you know, we've got to address the fact that the system's failing, instead of pretending

00:44:13.700 everybody else is at fault, everything else's fault. The other big thing, it showed all the most

00:44:18.020 dangerous cities in Canada, that was a recent study that came out a little while back. And guess where

00:44:21.940 they all are? It's like Prince George, it's Kamloops, it's Edmonton, it's Regina.

00:44:27.700 Why? Why are these smaller cities having such crime surges? Well, the other commonality is they

00:44:34.100 all have high indigenous populations. That's because indigenous populations live in the area,

00:44:39.780 they move to the city, they're socially dysfunctional, because they were raised on

00:44:42.660 those rotten racial enclaves we call reserves. And they can't adjust to good life once they get off

00:44:48.420 the bloody reserve. And then you get to the associated crime and disorder and things that

00:44:53.220 are happening there as well. Missing and murdered average indigenous woman. I'll close with that one.

00:44:57.220 Another one of the myths. It's not a myth that they were overrepresented with missing and murdered

00:45:02.100 indigenous woman. That's true. But once the study was done, once the commission was struck,

00:45:06.740 once all the numbers came through and everybody looked into it, guess what? Because they tried to make

00:45:10.660 it out as if there's some racist conspiracy that was stealing indigenous women and killing them.

00:45:15.140 And there was a racist conspiracy not to investigate the crimes. Well, it turns out, no,

00:45:18.980 the solve rate for murdered women, indigenous wise, is just as high as with non-indigenous women.

00:45:24.580 And the same with the ones that have gone missing, the ones that are found tend to be as much as

00:45:27.780 anybody else. The problem was, again, social dysfunction. Most of them were killed by spouses

00:45:32.900 and partners. Again, that gets a real problem, get to the root of the problem, find out why they're

00:45:36.900 socially so distressed, instead of trying to blame everything on racism, because there's racism as

00:45:41.700 exists. But that's not what the giant part of the problem is right now. Or at least not directly.

00:45:46.580 It's racism in the sense of woke people thinking we can have more than one policy for different

00:45:50.340 races and actually have it work out. That's the real racism. All right, I'm all ranted out, guys.

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There will be no reconciliation without truth

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