Time to SMASH the Alberta teachers’ strike
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Summary
The usual suspects are back in studio to discuss a variety of topics, including: Ben Bankus' Canadian tour being cancelled for a joke, the Alberta Teachers Association's strike, and the UCP's deal with the teachers union.
Transcript
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I'm Derek Phil, the publisher of the Western Standard
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Western Standard Senior Alberta Columnist, Corey Morgan
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And Western Standard, British Columbia Columnist
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It was a week where we didn't have any trouble figuring out what to talk about today.
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Hasn't made a lot of news other than on our pages, but Canadian comedian Ben Bankus,
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I had booked some tickets, I think eight tickets for Western Standard Calgary staff
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um alberta premier daniel smith uh making a very interesting power play um kind of colin
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mark carney's maybe bluff probably bluff but we're gonna find out if it's a bluff um so colin
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a bluff is maybe a bit presumptive but that's my guess uh well he's been trying to have it both
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ways on pipelines he's formed he's against them everyone can vote for carney uh he's he's a
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rorschach test of uh how up your elbows are and uh she her plan is uh getting him off the fence
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and it's getting a lot of the right people very angry about this uh tamara leach and uh barber
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have been sentenced i'm sure you've all seen the news uh and they have gotten very stiff
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sentences stiffer than uh some pretty damn serious criminals including rapists thieves robbers
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uh the teachers for the public schools are on strike um lucky me i don't send my children
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to a government uh alberta teachers association run school i sent my kid to a charter school
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so my kid is still going to uh to school that should be all you alberta parents watching who
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i don't yet send your kids to a charter school you should charter schools
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they're kind of like a private school except there's no tuition they're like a not-for-profit
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school and it's fully funded doesn't i don't pay any tuition for my kids to go and uh they're just
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there's all sorts of benefits like my kids not having propaganda shoved down their throats uh
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every uh hour of the school day what's the waiting list to get into the school that your kid goes to
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i'm not sure how it is right now but they keep on expanding spaces they've got they open up a
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second campus because demand is so great it's a growing business it's booming it's a booming
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industry and um it's just a fantastic program and uh our teachers don't seem to strike now i think
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we're only uh i guess the school's on fourth year i think we haven't had a strike yet and the teacher
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the teachers are very invested it's really great so if you're not yet going uh sending your kid to
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a charter school you should be check them out wherever you are if you're in calgary look at
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calgary classical academy there's other options uh i think they're even looking at studying at
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at Edmonton Classical Academy because they're so successful.
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Now, I'm actually kind of angry at the UCP here
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You might, you know, with how long you've been there,
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you might move into a higher grid so you might get
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more there's a good chance you're going to get more than
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negotiate more teachers more teaching assistants
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recommended the deal to the membership didn't they
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I don't know. I'm not very sympathetic to the union bosses, but in this case, they recommended
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the deal. I'm actually upset with the UCP for putting forward such a generous deal, considering
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how little in the school year teachers have to work. And teachers, you know, during the school
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year, you know, they work hard and they deal with a lot of crap. I mean, there's kids like me that
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are difficult to deal with. I understand it, but they get more time off than anybody and virtually
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I don't think I said anything you shouldn't use.
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Maybe it was someone else I was talking about today.
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But I really don't know how else to demonstrate the point.
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We've got to figuratively, purely figuratively,
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start shooting some hostages to let them know that we are serious.
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the Alberta government should convert a government ATA public school
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If you won't have a deal by the end of today, that's one school.
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Every single day, we're shooting a figurative hostage.
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We're turning a government ATA school into a charter school.
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And if you get to the second week, fine, we're going to do two a day.
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And this is a threat I think the teachers would have to know that they're serious about.
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Again, terrible analogy, but this is the only way I could really get my point across here.
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They didn't struggle for the summer when they could have.
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And frankly, it becomes then a good thing every day
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We get more charter schools out of it in the end.
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the teachers are going to come to the table pretty damn soon.
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because I want more charter schools for kids in Alberta.
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has grown substantially in the last five years.
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You know, it varies around the province, but I'm told that in Calvary,
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there's something like 30% of kids are being educated outside the public system.
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And it would be in schools such as you were referring to, the classical academy,
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Some people just homeschool their children and find it works out better for them that way.
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the thing that i am uh i have a sort of a horrible theory about but this is more than about the money
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the education industry for that is what it is and by that i'm talking about not only the
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civil servants who work in education in the ministry but also the teachers themselves
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the ata there is a critical mass within that you know john hilton brian calls it the blob
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whatever you call it it's it's an industry and it's not just the money they actually want control
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they don't like the idea that parents elect mlas mlas find themselves an education minister and
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they set the curriculum because these people have got ideas of the right yeah the idea wants to be
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certain yeah and so this is a this is one of the uh one of the things that's driving this
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Chris Sims from the Taxpayers Federation also wrote a piece
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and was saying it, look, you know, she's saying get winter boots,
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teachers, because it looks like Smith's settling in
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The attitude from the government so far is, okay, you know what,
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so that they can get alternative care for their children
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They're saying we're going to help you weather the storm,
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like we aren't rolling over for this demands right now.
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So that's a different take than governments who often capitulate pretty darn quick when it comes to something like this.
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Yeah, at least I know maybe it's a bit insider Alberta here for you coming from B.C.
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The government is taking the revenue that's essentially being saved by not paying these teachers while they're on strike.
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And it's using it to at least partially offset the cost of parents who have to put them in child care or do extra driving around.
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Incredibly to me, you know, Nahid Nenshi, the NDP leader.
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Like, I mean, he was supposed to be the moderate.
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He's not supposed to be from the old government union, old school NDP.
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um but i i'm i'm trying to figure out his politics on this move where you know he just says i i know
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is he proposing to continue to pay them are we just going to pay the teachers while they strike
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uh i mean they'll then strike for all time i'm not i'm not really sure where he's coming at this
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from um i've been trying to figure out what the where the ata is coming from um i i know i talked
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to some uh some kids who live in the area near me and they've been given the propaganda i i remember
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I first became politically active in the fifth grade
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the teachers were pushing a bunch of propaganda
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lines i actually uh i had little glass vials stink bombs and i'd walk in for 10 time my shoes
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i dropped stink bombs on the picket line not because i really care about politics but because
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i didn't like my teacher for lying to me but uh that was my first act of uh of terrorism so um
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anyway i just i the politics of this are bizarre i think it's it's somewhat uh what cory's saying
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is the ata is used to having a lot more control they were given a huge amount of control uh over
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can't give them any more. The government's running a
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deficit. It has not controlled its spending. That's on the UCP, but part of controlling its
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spending is dealing with maniacs like the ATA. I'm not really sure what their game is here. They
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seem to have boxed themselves in. Well, let's just start with, you've mentioned two politicians
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manufactured by Stephen Carter. So Nenshi is the made-up politician, and Redford, as we know,
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was involved with Stephen Carter. So well done. That's the contribution to Alberta by Mr. Carter.
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and my parents and other parents getting involved and saying, listen, we're going to teach these
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classes. So back in the 80s, that's something parents could do in British Columbia, but
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obviously things have changed. Out here in BC, we're watching you with a smirk, because
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as you know, we had rolling teacher strikes. There were some terrible years there. And it was a
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collection of about six years where my child was going through elementary school, and she didn't
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have a year that wasn't interrupted at least once. I really regret not sending her to a charter or
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private school. And this is, you know, I felt guilty about pulling her out away from her friends.
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I would suggest every parent just go through the fire, just move them out to a private or charter
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school. This is, as we learned in BC, because what you've done in providing some sort of, I think,
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stipend i guess to parents um or voucher um to help them a long way is something we have done
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in bc everything that is uh on the stage in in alberta with this art with this fight with the
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ata is really reflective of every choice and decision that my former colleagues and my former
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bosses made in british columbia we tried every trick in the book we have held firm we had a very
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long strike um and when we realized that this was no longer about money but was about our effort to
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take control back of the teachers college things started to change um and my suggestion as sort of
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looking at this and i am surprised that your teachers did not vote with the recommendations
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with the offer that was recommended uh by the union uh bosses that's something i haven't seen
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in british columbia before but i think this is revenge tactics revenge politics it's over an
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ideology and um nigel you wrote a great piece about this today and referred back to a interview
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that you had i think roughly a year ago now um where you spoke to a young woman who was talking
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about charter schools and yes thank you i remembered her last name and unfortunately
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I couldn't remember her first name. But I found that to be intriguing because that's what we
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found out. And, you know, I came from a coalition party, blue liberals, red Tories, fiscal
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conservatives, and my ministers of education were predominantly liberals, and they turned out to be
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the hardest on these unions. But I will say it is about revenge politics. It is not about the money
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that you're offering. It's about also capping class sizes. The problem that Daniel Smith's
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going to have is most parents in Alberta do not want to be sending their kids to a classroom
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that's heaving at 37, 38, or 40 students per class. Nobody does. And not every parent,
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especially as we're looking at the economy today, can afford, even Alberta, even in prosperous
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Alberta, can afford to look at a charter or private school. Actually, charter schools in
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Alberta have no tuition. There's no tuition in charter schools in Alberta. The only question
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is, do we have enough charter schools? Which is why I think we should start converting public
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schools into charter schools. All we need is really the buildings for it. There's the demand
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for it. Everyone wants to send their kids to there and there's no tuition. You're missing 1,200 spots
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in charter schools right now. And you might as well just double that by the time, because by summer,
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that's probably going to double as well. So you're right to look at that. And I think that's a
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fantastic thing. I wish that was something that was offered in British Columbia. But I would say
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that I think if you can look at the cap, I think easing the cap without giving them control
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would be some amazing political judo. But what they're looking for is control. Control over
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what they're teaching, what they're talking about. They refuse, all teachers in this country
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and their unions or federations refuse to get back to traditional teachings.
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okay like what about financial literacy just a real a real quick point elise when we talk about
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the teachers wanting control let's distinguish between the teachers organizations and some of
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the great teachers that we all know personally who really aren't into this they're not the ones
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who want to put the dirty books in the in the school library that comes from up the up the scale
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So those are the people that we're fighting with.
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So, Tamara Leach and Barber, we already knew some time ago,
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they were found guilty in the biggest mischief trial in the history of the world.
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Well, Derek, I think our editorial had it about right.
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You know, Leach and Barber got hammered worse than people who do truly horrible things.
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Because they challenged the legitimacy of what the liberal government was doing with COVID regulations in 2022.
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So this was a political prosecution, and the government wanted to deter other people.
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I mean, Tamara Leach and Chris Barber were handed conditional sentences for leading one of the most peaceful, heartfelt protests that this country has ever seen.
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Their only crime was refusing to stay silent when government power ran roughshod over ordinary Canadians.
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I mean, we quoted Alan Borovoy, the late Alan Borovoy, great defender of civil liberty.
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And he was once asked, he actually stated this.
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He said, what else do people have than peaceful protests when government power runs roughshod over them and they don't listen?
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And that's the question that's at the very heart of this moment.
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Tamara and Chris stood for freedom, our freedom.
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Years of their lives stolen by endless, you know, three-week protests and three years in the legal process.
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people have been doing this for quite some time
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Let's remember the so-called Idle No More, very weirdly titled, but Idle No More, when Harper was in power.
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A conservative government in power, and these guys were blocking rail lines, highways, they set up encampments, and they did not have bouncy castles.
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They had the distinct vibe of violence in the air that if you came to break them up, they would violently resist.
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here. There was no violent resistance even when
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quite a few examples uh cory where um sorry i'll go to uh elise uh they cite quite a few examples
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elise where uh rapists uh people who have attempted murder um people who have committed
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major acts of physical violence have received significantly less severe uh sentences uh than
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outside was the gentleman that went before court he had paid to for child rape he was a permanent
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resident in the process of his application to be a full-fledged Canadian citizen and there were
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several he was arrested for the paid rape or the attempt to rape school-age girls and I mean
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elementary school-age girls and the judge intervened and said I don't want to give you a
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long sentence. I want to be careful because I think it's going to hurt your citizenship. I'm
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sure you all remember this. It wasn't that long ago. He ended up with a lesser sentence
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and less conditions than both Tamara and Chris. Another good example would be over the weekend
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where Samajoon, a terrorist entity, a designated terrorist entity, held a massive event outside
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the vancouver art gallery the vancouver police the rcmp and the city of vancouver stood didn't even
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stand by they didn't even show up they were allowed to propagate hate anti-semitic slogans
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and encourage violence this country is broken it's not just the repeat bail offenders it my issue
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with all of this is that the ottawa police uh for a capital city have are not used to being
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challenged are not used to large events uh it's shocking to me as somebody from vancouver and i
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think it would be shopping shocking to somebody from toronto as well where we're in constant
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protest mode uh the city and and the city is made up of decision makers in high profile places
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I also think some of this, well, not some of it, but a lot of it had to do with the crawlback from the illegal use of the emergency that I believe it was illegal.
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I do not believe there was a justification for that.
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And when you look at that massive Hamas rally that was on Capitol or was on Parliament Hill, sorry, not Capitol Hill, Parliament Hill last year, last fall, where ISIS flagged for being flown and streets were being shut down.
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and threats of violence were going back and forth
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nobody was arrested and, well, nobody was charged
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and nobody's gone through the criminal courts in Ottawa
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The third tier would be for First Nations people
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and we know what the second and first tier is in Canada.
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uh yeah it's okay uh oh uh elise is gonna get double here uh she come to you uh because we're
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gonna talk pipelines here whenever there's a problem it's always you too bc and quebec it's
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always you too whenever there's an issue we know it's you too um so uh we have the national
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of bureaucracy? Maybe. Or maybe it does help cut
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not include any pipelines, because no one in their right
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you just put it in barrels and buried underground essentially
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and they put some money on the table. The Alberta government
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i'm sure that daniel smith and kudos to daniel smith because she has managed to do something
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that very few politicians in the last almost three decades have been able to do which is called the
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federal government's bluff but i'm very confused so we have this office which by the way is the
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second incarnation of this office uh people forget but there was uh mr harper um had a
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infrastructure office um and that didn't work either because things got voted down the other
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thing is so you're you you have that infrastructure office or that national products office but then
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you also have bill c5 which is sort of like the fast track to improve a lot of different things
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um and then but you're holding on to specific legislation that impedes not just oil tankers
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uh off the coast are off of the west coast but actually impedes a lot of other economic activity
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We don't have really any energy companies left,
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one of the nastiest uh recessions uh about to hit our shores uh so i'm not sure what's going on in
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david eddie's mind uh but kudos to miss smith for for pushing um to recalling carney's bluff
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um but carney i i'm very unclear as to what carney's doing uh i'm completely confused because
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he's also now put keystone xl back on the table with trump as a way to toss those tariffs off
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the table so you know i know we're short on time i could go on but you know apologies from british
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columbia not all of us are as ridiculous as david eb and by the way can we just note that his voice
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was cracking yesterday he looked he was about to start crying because daniel smith called him
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un-canadian and mo and scott mo piled on i mean how embarrassing for me uh so okay cory so we
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It was actually very chummy. It was actually probably
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You know, if you're willing to blow some smoke up Trump,
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At least the public part of me was very cheery and nice.
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if he allows Kistan to go, because where is it passing
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because by being so capped up to the American market,
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So that's why we're actually probably better off
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for the sole reason of realizing we're hyper dependent on the United States for this industry.
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And it has us over a barrel when we get a trade dispute. So it means Kearney's completely given
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up on the only way to ease that is to broaden your customer market. The only way to do that
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is to get a pipe to the coast. So he's given up on that. And then when we start that discussion
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about lacking a proponent, nobody's raising their hand to have Lucy pull the football away again,
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heading down Keystone. TC Energy said to hell with you. I mean, they took Canada out of it.
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they're basically uh well to be fair their their final pullout was when biden killed it yes but
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they're still tired of losing you know there's no companies eager to lay it on the line anymore
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so that would have to be some talks i mean yeah biden killed it trump would have to make it quite
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clear and then there's the whole battles of everything through nebraska and everything
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else that went as that expired are they starting again with it they're pipeline shy so uh yeah
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Yeah, Kearney might be going that route, but boy, what a pathetically weak route to go then.
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You know, the thing that I haven't heard is whether he wants Keystone to carry decarbonized oil.
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You know, this idea that you bury an equivalent amount of carbon dioxide to the oil that you're carrying through the pipeline.
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You never really know what he's put on the table and what he hasn't.
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And Keystone gets my vote, but what exactly is the deal going to look like?
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I know lots of Republicans, and I know lots of people, you know, a few feet from Trump's office.
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And I spoke to them this morning because my mouth was agape.
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Obviously, I felt it was, you know, a shell game that was going on.
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It was to test to see if he could wiggle out some of those tariffs.
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And my former colleagues down there felt the same way.
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You know, my understanding of how this really went was Mr. Carney acquiesced often.
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as we've seen before uh but there is something that's going to get done but the auto sector
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is a no-go for trump so far so kari's got to deal with that and he has this deadline in november
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coming up with you know danielle smith uh where we will really understand what that how big that
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bluff is um but keystone is cory points out the expired licenses through nebraska uh lack of
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of social license but i do think some of that sentiment has changed since trump has come back
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into office and i think trump thinks he might be able to win it problem is he's he is and i will
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say the best guy to talk to the energy ceos uh he's the best guy to say come on i need you guys
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to build something i need you guys to build a keystone but that's not going to be uh enough
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for for daniel smith and it is so far down the track no pun intended uh but we have we already
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have a beautiful project called northern gateway we just need to take it to prince rupert versus
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kittimat so when david eby says oh this is just some sort of pie in the sky and it's a government
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project and hey where's british columbia's money because that guy's is part of eb's ranch
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his hysterical tantrum yesterday he's like i want some money if they're going to get this
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to our last segment here and we've got to keep a tiny
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So I decided, you know, this guy's pretty outside the ordinary lineup of comedians.
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So I decided to buy eight tickets for some of the Western Standards Calgary staff to go down and see them.
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um but it is on a reserve and ben bankus um uh curry made uh uh he he posts i i don't think it
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was shot that day but he posted a video on uh i guess it's called truth and reconciliation day
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uh national surfing day uh uh making a joke that involved residential schools and whatnot
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not, you know, I watched it, I was like, ooh, spicy, but I, you know, certainly didn't think
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he was not advocating hurting anyone, killing anyone, harming anyone, but it was definitely
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spicy, and then I guess he says there were two complaints to Grey Eagle, Grey Eagle pulled it,
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and he's now rebooked. Well, yeah, so I'm kind of mixed on this. Comedy is the front line of
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free speech, though. I'm a big George Carlin fan. He made it pretty clear you can joke about
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is sort of trying to do the same thing. And I think he was
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reserve land. One of the complaints might have come from him for all I know.
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I mean, you know, publicity stunts aren't new from
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They do have the right to say no to whoever's going to perform, and they're not. It'll be
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interesting to see, though, because he's stirred things up. He's got in the scroll. It's when we start
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to see human rights charges, things like that, where they say
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you can't say that joke, no matter what venue you're in. And I've got a feeling he's
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find them pretty soon with the nature of some of his jokes
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better off than a lot of other band members in Canada
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to some others they're getting some things right uh but this just i think it shows a thin skin
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especially right now you know they've already banned media from going around there kind of
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conveniently after the chief was charged with rape uh not yet convicted not tested in court
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but he's been charged with rape but then some other thing happened and then they all of a sudden
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ban the media from being there this is the reserve you said was reasonably well run uh yeah it's a
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There's no obligation if you think that somebody
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is going to insult you that you have to rend them
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and there they go you know um he sold out several nights in a row now yeah yeah i mean uh if this
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was just a way to publicize his show then it certainly worked very well well he already had
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a show at a big venue he was gonna be able to do one show and one big show on one day now he has
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to do a couple of small see where i where i start to get anxious is when publicly owned places start
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to ban people because it's like you've had sean foyte going through the canada in the summer
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anytime great eagle is semi-publicly owned it's owned by a reserve which is a a quasi order of
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government so but you know but it's a great thing i can make the distinction for them to their
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benefit but uh you know when you get parks camera they're getting into the act and saying well you
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can't be on your show here then uh i mean maybe that's what he should have done book the parks
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Send him a note. Tell him the book Parks Canada.
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You'd be surprised if you didn't have a Saskatchewan and BC
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a lot spicier than anything you're going to see on CBC.
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to our parting shots. We'll start with you, Elise.
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Mr. Eby that he's part of Confederation and part of that agreement is our mutual
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contribution to the success of Canada. I would prefer him to stop crying at these press conferences,
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floundering through them, stop spreading misinformation, stop intentionally twisting
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what Confederation is and what the individual rights of each province is. I would like him
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to sit down with both Premier Moe and Premier Scott
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I would like him to recognize that his political future,
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and it will have nothing to do with the pipelines.
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It will have everything to do with his lost offices,
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not only within his caucus per se, but within his party.
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There is a political revolution happening in this country
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where they have realized that this type of incompetence, ideology over confidence,
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has cost us billions and billions in investment,
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and therefore good-paying jobs that have a future.
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And I would remind Mr. Eby and anyone of his ilk that your days are numbered.
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Frances Whittowson was assaulted in Winnipeg by a violent protest last week,
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saying you don't want to tolerate seeing women assaulted
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Yeah, we've got the story up at the Western Standard.
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Let's see if people committing assault against her
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get half the sentence that Tamara Leach and Chris Barber got.
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There are two people who should be on a conservative ticket somewhere in the country.
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That's the kind of people we want in Parliament, not in jail.
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Mine is for the illustrious Alberta Senator Chris Wells.
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This is the creepy dude who Trudeau appointed to the Senate.
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Very well known in some circles for, leads, I don't know, some LGTBQ alphabet soup department.
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I think at the University of Alberta, where he just talked about gay stuff all day.
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I really don't know any other way to describe it.
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He just talked about how awesome it is and how persecuted he is when he's very much not.
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Not going to get into it, but dude's got serious, serious, creepy vibes.
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And I guess, you know, maybe they were paying him a quarter million dollars a year or something at the University of Alberta.
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I don't know, because he's complaining about how hard done by he is, make it $180,000 a year as a senator for life, plus benefits, plus pension, plus travel.
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Yeah, look, being a politician has got some downsides.
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I had to drive all the way up the road to Edmonton every week.
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And thank you, John, for producing today's show and all of you for joining us today.
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