It's National Flitch Day and it's also National Raspberry Cake Day, so let's talk about that. Also, we have a couple of candidates in the race for the United Conservative Party leadership race, and we talk about the crazy people running for the party.
00:02:46.760so there's something a little on the sweeter side and uh you know offset that i mean maybe you didn't
00:02:52.120make it a year in your marriage or whatnot you can console yourself by eating some raspberry cake
00:02:57.080i've been trying to grow raspberries at home for years they're finally starting to spring up but
00:03:00.580i still haven't gotten a single berry out of the freaking things so uh yeah i found my marriage
00:03:04.400easier to last for 15 years than to manage to get some raspberries growing in my garden
00:03:07.880but there's always next year all right who else we got out there uh expat canuck down in california
00:03:14.140Well, you are out in the left coast down there. I hope if you're in Frisco, you wear good boots so you don't step in too much of the human waste on the streets.
00:03:21.100Though again, beautiful areas, crazy people. We started that theme already.
00:03:25.420So let's see. I'll talk about a couple of the people I'm going to have on today.
00:03:29.400They must be a little bit crazy. They're running for the UCP leadership, both of them.
00:03:33.180The first one's going to be Dr. Raj Sherman. Folks might remember him.
00:03:37.420He was a progressive conservative MLA. Then he was a liberal MLA.
00:03:42.540then he was the leader of the Liberal Party, and now he's putting his name in, trying to get in
00:03:46.460to run for the UCP leadership. So that should be an interesting conversation.
00:03:50.540After that, I'm going to talk to John Horsman. He was from the Alberta Treasury branch initially.
00:03:55.320He's been a name around, but he's not been in conventional politics or running for anything
00:03:59.340that I know of, and he's in there for the race as well. I think he already got an endorsement
00:04:04.620from one of the candidates, Mr. Rock, who backed out of it. So we'll talk to him as well.
00:04:08.620So I'm going to stick to a good political theme today and start off,
00:04:12.280because we're hearing a lot of federal rumors going right now.
00:04:14.340So let's dive into the rumor mill world.
00:04:16.520Right now, the rumors are flying of a possible election being called this fall, and I mean federally.
00:04:21.220One of the prime groups, though, perpetuating that rumor is the Conservative Party of Canada.
00:04:24.920Spreading the rumor of a pending election is always a good fundraising tool for a party.
00:04:29.000Donors can be tight during the doldrums between elections,
00:04:31.880but they'll open their wallets when they feel the opportunity to change the government might be coming around.
00:04:35.880So the party's happy to keep that rumor going, whether it's got basis or not.
00:04:40.200But there are reasons why these rumors are taking a bit of root this time, right now.
00:04:44.660Justin Trudeau's been popping up unexpectedly in random locations across the country as of late,
00:04:49.800with no real clear reasons for doing so.
00:04:52.240I mean, he's always been the king of photo ops,
00:04:54.000but his staged appearances have had a strong scent of campaigning within them.
00:04:58.720This last week, his staged love-in at the Calgary Stampede made news across the country.
00:05:03.820And a couple days later, he was in a Quebec park reading stories to children.
00:05:07.500I'm sure they helped him with the bigger words.
00:05:09.700And the next day, he unexpectedly appeared at a church service in Ontario.
00:05:14.140Yeah, you know, apparently he suddenly has found the Lord.
00:05:18.080And he'd never really been known to be going to church much before.
00:05:21.420And then yesterday, he was out picking cherries in an orchard in BC.
00:05:24.700And he went to another children's day camp.
00:05:26.640I guess he likes being able to sit down with people who can talk on his level,
00:05:29.540though they probably go beyond him pretty fast.
00:05:31.960That's a lot of careful scheduling, though, and a lot of miles to cover over just a few days.
00:05:37.020Brian Lilly also speculated in Sunpeace that whenever Trudeau changes his appearance,
00:11:45.340I'm also dealing with a story on the Freedom Convoy book that was written and launched by Andrew Lawton.
00:11:54.320He is a journalist with True North, and apparently Indigo says they will not put it on their store shelves.
00:12:01.380So that's something I'm digging into, looking to get some comment on that one.
00:12:06.200And then our reporter, Eva, is working on a story about the Arrive Can app horrors.
00:12:13.520I'm sure that will be interesting. There's stuff circulating all over social media with that.
00:12:18.660And our reporter Amanda is working on a story where the LGBTQ community is kind of slamming anthropologists for labeling the remains that are found any sex.
00:12:33.820Apparently they shouldn't do that because the remains could have belonged to somebody who didn't identify as that gender.
00:12:43.860So, yeah, that will be up on the website fairly soon here.
00:12:48.660Well, I mean, you know, you think of these archaeologists, anthropologists, I mean, you know, couldn't they find indications, you know, feather boas, things of drag queens, such and that, and then they can identify how that skeletal remains might have identified.
00:13:00.700Right. I think really only skeletal remains remain after thousands of years. So really no other identifying features would be available to help identify the gender of those remains. So I guess we'll see some changes to the labeling process for those.
00:13:22.900soon. Well, I would hate to be an archaeologist who had some ghostly transgender haunting me1.00
00:13:27.440because they were furious that I took a picture and captioned it as the wrong gender based on1.00
00:13:32.820going on nothing but bloody science, right? Yeah, agreed. Yeah, we wouldn't want to do that.1.00
00:13:37.840Okay, well, there's always plenty to raise the eyebrows going on in the news. I appreciate the
00:13:44.120check-in. Oh, and I was also going to mention Trudeau's haircut. What do you think of Trudeau's
00:13:49.960our cut. Well, you know, as you can see, I'm not exactly one with a well manicured coif myself,
00:13:56.240so I can't get on too high a horse. I mean, I'm not a person who built such a reputation on those
00:14:02.180beautiful flowing locks to begin with. I think, you know, as I kind of said, it was one of the
00:14:06.880only real assets he had. What was he thinking by clipping it off like that? But yeah, I have to
00:14:11.640agree with you. I think, you know, a lot of women in the beginning before sort of Trudeau really
00:14:17.060kind of was making his platform a lot of women just found him to be quite attractive and yes
00:14:24.440very often mentioned his his flowing locks but yeah I agree not not looking as dapper anymore
00:14:33.400with that haircut that yeah it's very comparative to Jim Carrey from Dumb and Dumber yeah though Jim
00:14:41.540was a hell of a lot more endearing in my view,
00:15:10.320And I mean, some of it you got to watch
00:15:11.460If you watch on YouTube, we haven't been posting some of that on there because if we talk about certain subjects, we get kicked off there.
00:15:16.940And all it's translated to, though, is Melanie gets lots and lots of views on the stuff she's been doing on our Facebook and Rumble channels.
00:15:25.520It's funny when we talk about Andrew Lawton, I guess Indigo won't put his book up.
00:15:28.820I mean, all he did, I had him, I interviewed, he was on this show about that book.
00:15:32.400And he's written on his experiences at the convoy.
00:15:36.460But things are changing and it's great because, you know, if you want to look up Andrew Lawton, look up his book,
00:15:40.660you can get it from Amazon, you can get it directly, you can get it all over the place.
00:15:44.620These heavyweight book dealers don't carry the power and ability to censor like they used to.
00:15:51.020So to hell with Indigo, find it somewhere else. In fact, it gives more reason to bring attention
00:15:55.140to what's going on and what he's got in that book. It's only serving him. Likewise, when we got
00:16:00.700punted from YouTube a little while ago for the daring to talk to one of our reporters about
00:16:05.600something he'd been working on with Matthew Horwood, we took that interview and just reminded
00:16:09.440people that put it on Facebook, and I believe it got over 100,000 views. Our interviews with
00:16:13.740our own reporters usually don't draw quite that traffic. So these efforts to censor are only
00:16:18.960backfiring. We're just finding other ways to get it out there. So keep up the good work, guys.
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00:17:37.720so we can't be censored or shut down. Let's see some of the stuff from the comments here.
00:17:44.840Yeah, Wendy pointing out with Trudeau. Jesus, you know, again, he's got the environmental hang up,
00:17:48.800but as Wendy Rizuski is pointing out, he can't be that concerned if he's going to jet set all
00:17:53.260over. I mean, like I was saying, yeah, he was in Ontario one day, Quebec the next, BC the next. I
00:17:58.840mean, he's not going around on a bicycle or even a car. He's flying and he's got an entourage.
00:18:05.620But again, you know, the commoners like us, well, we're supposed to tighten our belts and
00:18:10.700stay close to home, I guess, and use a hemp pup tent in the backyard for vacationing so as not
00:18:16.160to hurt the environment. Paradoxy saying, does anybody know what happens if an election is
00:18:21.920called before the conservative leadership race is finished? And can they? Yes, they can call it
00:18:27.320whenever they want, or at least if the government falls one way or another, or if it's a majority
00:18:32.700government going to the governor general. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what another
00:18:36.340party's race might be going on at the time or not. I think politically it would backfire terribly.
00:18:43.060I mean, it would just be so grossly opportunistic. I don't think it would resonate well with the
00:18:49.140electors. I mean, it's still opportunistic to call an election, say, a week after they've selected a
00:18:54.140leader, but it would be a little more acceptable. But if you did it to them in the middle of a race,
00:18:57.480and it's not beyond, I don't put anything beyond them. We've had senators appointed. I think it
00:19:02.820was Chrétien who did that. We were in the middle of electing our senators, and Chrétien made a
00:19:06.720point of appointing a couple senators. His way of giving us the middle finger and saying,
00:19:10.640you do whatever the hell you want. I'm not going to listen to your elections.
00:34:11.800Likewise, if you're getting it into your household or even way back when I was surveying for seismic jobs,
00:34:16.540you'd have to pay the MD or areas where you're going to pump the water to put into your shot holes when you're drilling instead of the dynamite.
00:44:06.180he's still spending a whole pile of money, and I'm interested. I find it interesting. He feels,
00:44:10.640rightly or wrongly, that the leadership committee is going to relent and change their mind and find
00:44:15.160out that he's serious and then let him in. I don't know if that's going to happen. Probably not.
00:44:20.120But it's an interesting subject, that's all. And I mean, I talked to interesting people,
00:44:24.200and he was a figure who, you know, was an elected official for quite some time, and
00:44:28.820he's got some character, and he's making a push. He's got an interesting case. I don't think he's
00:44:33.360brought it up that much, but Michelle Rempel didn't have a leadership as well. And then,
00:44:37.800you know, the leadership committee said, okay, well, we've listened to you and we'll make an
00:44:41.400exemption for you. You can run for the leadership race. And then she turned around and kicked them
00:44:45.380in the balls and said, this party's not worth running for and went back to parliament.0.98
00:44:49.140So, you know, if they can make an exemption for Rempel, maybe they can make an exemption for0.94
00:44:54.340Mr. Sherman. But I mean, I talked to, my hand is out to everybody who's declared as a candidate
00:45:00.240for the UCP. Only a handful are fully approved yet. All of them, and I'm not even, I can't say
00:45:06.320for sure, Mr. Horsman hasn't fully been brought into the race yet. It doesn't mean I won't talk
00:45:11.100to him. It doesn't mean he won't get into the race later. And, you know, like I said, the show's
00:45:15.360open to speak to all of them. And I've spoken to most of them now, Rajan Sani and others. They've
00:45:21.860been on this show. So, I mean, my job is to kind of just give as many, you know, candidates as
00:45:28.940much time as I can. So you viewers, listeners can, can make your decisions with, you know,
00:45:33.440as informed as possible. So I won't say yes or, you know, I won't say no to any particular
00:45:38.760candidates at all. It's important to get them on. Let's see here. What else we got in the comments
00:45:44.340and get near time. I'll get on to Mr. Horsman though and bring them on.
00:45:48.500Kenny Benson saying, masking didn't work for COVID. You're stirring the Kool-Aid.
00:45:51.880Kenny, masking does work for a whole lot of things. That's why it's been done in medical
00:45:55.540practices for the last 100 years. I'm not talking about masking mandates. So please, people,
00:46:01.880think a little harder. I'm not talking about mask mandates. I'm not talking about public masking.
00:46:05.280I'm not talking about school masking. I'm not talking about masking on the bus or the airplane.
00:46:08.600In a hospital full of sick people, yes. And they've been doing it for a century for a reason.
00:46:13.480And likewise in senior centers. Differentiate between mask mandates and areas where it is
00:46:19.900important. I mean, there's some rooms where a person is extremely sick and they just do not
00:46:23.980let anybody visit them. It's not an infringement on the rights of other people not being able to
00:46:28.260get into that room and visit them. It's protecting that person who's very, very sick.
00:46:32.780Right now, the sickness we have is we brought in mandates that force everybody at all times to do
00:46:37.440things. That's not what I'm talking about. And that's not what I support. But it's not saying
00:46:42.080because people have got this, this polarized view and say that every mask is useless now,
00:46:48.540or it never helps for anything or the guys and that's not quite the case. It's not foolproof
00:46:52.580barf by any means. But there's a reason typically, I mean, I remember with newborn children, they'd
00:46:57.380get you to wear a mask, you know, initially when you're first holding them, it doesn't hold
00:47:00.200everything back from you getting them onto that newborn child. But it reduces rate when they're
00:47:04.680fresh out of the oven, their chances of perhaps picking up something when they're still basically
00:47:09.720hardening up and learning how to breathe. There's a reason those were used, but we're not going to
00:47:14.060make everybody across the whole country wear a mask because there's some vulnerable children in
00:47:18.780in health facilities. So, um, all right, so let's bring in, uh, uh, our, our guest, uh, John
00:47:26.580Horsman. Uh, and, uh, I, I see, yeah, I, I see Raj showing up in the scroll there now, but I'm
00:47:34.700afraid I'm onto the next segment. I could talk briefly if he wants to hang in there for, uh,
00:47:38.620when I'm finished with Mr. Horsman, but, uh, you know, I stick to the schedule there. I'm not sure
00:47:42.400why Mr. Sherman was delayed, but I do want to talk about, uh, the UCP race and speak to as many
00:47:47.740people as possible. So I hope Mr. Sherman has some time so we can speak to him quickly at the end
00:47:51.320here. But first, I'll stick to the ones who are on schedule with Mr. Horsman. So how are you doing
00:47:57.100and welcome to the show. Thank you, Corey. And thank you for the Western Standard for giving me
00:48:03.080a voice and for doing what you do. It's important. Yeah, well, thanks. I appreciate that. You know,
00:48:08.240and we just need to, it's such a wide spectrum of candidates out there now. This is a race with so
00:48:13.880many people putting their names forward. And it's important one. I mean, whoever wins this race
00:48:18.220is going to become our premier, at least until the next general election. And, you know, people
00:48:24.000should be making as informed a decision as possible for that. So I just want to make sure
00:48:28.740that our listeners can get to know as many as possible. And you're not to start out with. And
00:48:33.040that's kind of how I mentioned earlier, you're not somebody who's been running in those frontline
00:48:36.660political circles like most of the other candidates are. Yeah, absolutely. My role in
00:48:42.960Alberta for the last couple of years has been really one of a banker. I started with ATB
00:48:48.200Financial almost 20 years ago and kind of worked my way up from the bottom to running most of the
00:48:54.660businesses, the business services. And I've learned a lot about Alberta. I probably have
00:49:00.700an unparalleled knowledge of how Alberta works and what makes it successful. And when I watched0.97
00:49:06.480when I watched how, you know, the leadership review of Jason Kenney went, and I saw what was
00:49:12.960coming out of the other side, I thought, you know, this is my turn to step up and start giving back
00:49:17.940to a province that has given me so much, which is really why I'm running. Okay, so I guess just to
00:49:24.840start with, aside from not being a career politician, which is refreshing already in itself,
00:49:31.080but what do you really bring to the table that's going to stand out from those other
00:49:35.920politicians. You got some financial experience, which is appreciated. We've certainly seen some
00:49:39.500terrible financial management happening. We're going to say, for example, the issues of Western
00:49:44.560alienation, which has kind of dominated a lot of the race lately. Yeah, I think, yeah, I actually
00:49:49.740just published an op-ed on that same, on that very, that very same topic. I mean, I mean, I came to
00:49:55.800Alberta because I chose to be here. I lived in the States, I lived in other parts of Canada,
00:50:00.440and there is nothing more special than what we, you know, what we do and what we have. I call
00:50:05.160Alberta, really the land of opportunity. But we're in a weird place in Canada where we don't
00:50:12.040have the votes. We don't have the Senate seats. We don't have regional participation. And so we're
00:50:16.940feeling somewhat outside. But what we do have and what Canada really needs from us is they need our
00:50:24.500money. They need our financial contribution. And I truly believe that for us to move forward and for
00:50:29.940us to help Canada get out of some of the problems that they have, I think we have to start wielding
00:50:35.920our economic might. And we need to use the financial resources and our financial contribution
00:50:40.580to Canada to help them get out of their own way in many ways. And obviously, the mechanism for
00:50:48.180that is collection of our own taxes, kind of controlling the funds flow in the same way that
00:50:52.520Quebec does, the administration of our own pension assets to ensure that there's capital available
00:50:59.200for the, you know, the core industries that make for Alberta's prosperity, agriculture, energy,
00:51:05.120innovation. These are important. Great. So getting more domestic, I mean, one of the top issues we
00:51:13.000always have, and I've been talking, every candidate I've had on, I ask, just like at the federal one,
00:51:17.140I get my pet issues with things. Healthcare is always a top issue in provincial politics,
00:51:21.800always. That's consistent. And it's our biggest expenditure. So it's of concern. But one aspect
00:51:26.560of it, and it's been hitting the news again, actually from the NDP, was EMS services. We've
00:51:31.740got a terrific problem going on. We've got people dying, waiting for responses. We've got ambulances
00:51:37.560all tied up at hospitals. I'm looking forward to speaking to Dr. Sherman on this as well, because
00:51:41.300people are worried. I mean, that's a pretty essential service, and we just can't seem to
00:51:45.220find a solution. The UCP, the last time somebody died waiting, said we're going to study it for
00:51:49.700four months. Yeah, it's a perennial problem with our healthcare system, and I think COVID really
00:51:56.260uncovered that where many in many cases are nurses and doctors are heroes and they're trying they're
00:52:02.120keeping a system together but the system itself is is failing I mean I mean we shut down our
00:52:07.560entire society and our entire economy because we didn't we didn't have enough beds available in
00:52:13.560ICU for COVID and so there's there is a systems problem here there is a structural problem here
00:52:19.240that needs to get dealt with and and and fixed my history you know I'm at the you know I'm the
00:52:24.660I'm the guy that people always sent in to fix big, you know, big, gnarly, difficult problems.
00:52:29.540I'm the guy that went in to, you know, put systems and structures in place to sort of drive solutions that we need.
00:52:36.520And the EMS problems, the ambulance problems are all a function of just a system that's not really built for the kind of scale that we're dealing with today.
00:52:46.500And I think COVID really uncovered, you know, the, you know, a wave of volume that's going to go through our health system that we're going to have to be prepared for.
00:53:21.620But that's also why a lot of Albertans have called on me to come forward and, you know, offer fresh ideas, fresh perspectives, frankly, a business perspective in terms of how to get things done.
00:53:32.460And, you know, for me to move forward, you know, it's really important that I get more Albertans, you know, behind me to support me and to, you know, get these new ideas.
00:53:41.840out there. We've got a lot of politicians, you know, sort of running in this race. And, you know,
00:53:48.260many ways they're going around and around on the same issues without really effective solutions.
00:53:52.380I think this is Alberta's chance to get a new voice and a new perspective.0.86
00:53:57.520Yeah, so the second biggest issue, as we'll get to that, that's typically on the plate is education,
00:54:02.240and it's a big expenditure. We've had a lot of discussions. I mean, there's a battle that
00:54:08.540happens with every new leader, every new government over curriculum. Do you think the
00:54:13.000curriculum is on the right course right now or does this need more tweaking or should it be left
00:54:16.600alone? I think one thing everybody would agree with is the process that drove the curriculum is
00:54:22.700not on the right course. And so we do need a relevant curriculum. We need to honor freedom
00:54:30.260of choice to all the people and the parents in Alberta. I personally have four kids and it's
00:54:35.800important to me that my kids are being taught the things that they need for their life to move
00:54:40.960forward and the enduring values that are important for Albertans. We need to re-look at the process
00:54:46.740that drove the curriculum that's on the table today, and we need to get the buy-in from the
00:54:52.040teachers, the parents, and the school administrators in order to know that we're moving
00:54:57.260forward with the right curriculum and the right education for our kids. Okay, now with the party
00:55:05.060itself? I mean, there's unity on a federal level. There's unity within the party. It's something we
00:55:10.960conservatives do to ourselves all the time. There's been a lot of dispute over the nominations,
00:55:16.760over who's allowed into the leadership. How could you take on some things to, you know,
00:55:22.000try to gather those squirrels together and keep them all from fighting all the time? And I know
00:55:26.460it from past parties. It's hardly unique to the UCP. Yeah, I mean, I have, so I came out of,
00:55:31.980some of the highest and most aggressive industry really on the planet, which would be investment
00:55:39.860banking. So I'm used to big egos. I'm used to a lot of conflicting interests. I'm used to folks
00:55:45.600really challenging each other in really neat and interesting ways. But I got a history of
00:55:51.400building coalitions. I got a history of getting those interests that aren't aligned at the first
00:55:57.240round aligned on, you know, by the second round and the third round. So we can all reach an
00:56:01.360agreement and move forward. Up to now, I haven't seen anything in politics that, you know, gets me
00:56:06.600too worried that I'm not going to be able to use those some of those same skills. One thing business
00:56:10.660does that I think is helpful is they spend a lot of time on developing leadership on, you know,
00:56:16.140creating the systems and the structures to build trust, build alignment, you know, align around a
00:56:22.600vision and a strategy and all move forward together. And I think, I think, frankly, that's
00:56:26.300of the critical ingredients that i bring to this race and actually i can bring to you know alberta
00:56:30.140to move ourselves all forward so uh likewise i mean uh as i said earlier you know some things
00:56:35.420are getting a little heated and divisive you you haven't dove into that uh would hope to have i
00:56:41.100would imagine a unified party some other of the candidates in in a cabinet and such a presuming
00:56:46.060you became the leader yeah absolutely and and this leadership race is really about um really
00:56:53.420about forging the leader that Alberta needs these these races you know it's not we could just draw
00:56:57.660from a hat if there wasn't you know some value in the process itself this is about setting a vision
00:57:02.700for what you know what Alberta needs to move forward and frankly this is about the UCP re-earning
00:57:07.660the trust of Albertans that has been sort of lost through the process and so in many ways you know
00:57:14.540I applaud my fellow leadership candidates we've got a lot of ideas on the table there's a lot of
00:57:19.420of discussion moving forward. There's a lot of clarification, I would say, that's occurring
00:57:24.460currently within the campaigns. And I think that's all helpful and constructive. I think we've got a
00:57:30.980good plan and path forward. And then for myself, it's really, you know, bringing a third option
00:57:37.820on the table in terms of, you know, the established UCB candidates versus the, you know, the new
00:57:44.360entrance or the Wild Rose candidates that we would have had in the past versus, you know, can we be
00:57:48.660something more than the parties that we entered this? Can we be something, can Alberta be something
00:57:52.820more? And I truly believe it can be. I think this province is truly blessed. We have the things that
00:57:59.680the world needs and we have the things that the world values. Agriculture in a world that's going
00:58:04.240to be facing starvation. Our crops, I was just out in Hannah recently and the crops are just
00:58:12.540absolutely unbelievable this year. And this is a time when the world needs our food and they need
00:58:16.940our food security, energy. I mean, look at the world falling apart just on this, on energy
00:58:21.880dimension alone. Alberta has what the world needs. And I think as we think about what we need for0.78
00:58:27.720the future, it's making sure that we preserve that and we harness that and we're able to deliver that.
00:58:33.280Okay. And I'll finish up a bit with a pandemic response. I mean, that's a big one. A lot of
00:58:38.500which I think, you know, is part of what, which led to the demise of Kenny's leadership in a sense
00:58:43.900was uh whether well-meaning or not he declared it the the best summer ever and that we would
00:58:48.540never go back and then circumstances forced restrictions to return that fall and he sort of
00:58:53.980kind of i think lost support on both sides the people who didn't want restrictions were furious
00:58:57.760and the people who wanted him initially were furious and and he just ended up by the wayside
00:59:02.460we're hearing more talk though about returning to some restrictions in the fall or some people
00:59:07.340calling for it uh you know it may or may not may not become an issue but what sort of plan have you
00:59:12.420got in mind if we start getting acute pandemic issues again? Yeah, we'll have to face those
00:59:18.400facts, you know, as they come. I think one thing that I know for sure is Albertans love their
00:59:24.960freedom and they will always fight for it. And I respect that. I actually, and I respect the fact
00:59:32.120that they're not going to give their freedom to people that want it. They only give it to people
00:59:36.620that don't want it because the only chance that they have to sort of give it up. But Albertans
00:59:41.120are respectful as well. They understand that they can't force horrendous experiences on the
00:59:48.380healthcare system. They can't force, you were talking earlier about just the respect of putting
00:59:53.940a mask on when you go into a hospital facility or senior care facility just because of the
00:59:58.700vulnerability that sits in those facilities. I think Albertans know what the right path forward
01:00:04.020is and we've learned a lot. I mean, we've had lots of different roles. We've had lots of different
01:00:09.140you know, ways under which to, you know, to kind of try and comply with the COVID restrictions.
01:00:15.220We'll use those best practices and we'll use what worked to move forward. But I can't predict what
01:00:20.820the next wave could look like. And I can't predict how resilient our healthcare system will be in the
01:00:26.100face of that, to be able to say we're going to go one way or the other. Great. So, I mean,
01:00:31.140what else would you like to say, you know, that issues I might not have covered that are in your
01:00:34.340platform to let our viewers know, you know, why they should consider selecting you as the leader
01:00:38.420for the ucp yeah well i hope everybody would have seen my uh the alberta prosperity plan which is
01:00:43.540really a plan for the the resource revenues that uh we're going to be experiencing just you know as
01:00:48.740early as you know the next fiscal you know the fiscal year you know alberta has put i would say
01:00:54.02050 to 75 years of diligence into build you know our oil sands and build uh build our resource
01:01:00.180revenue up to the place with sort of where we are today and now we're we're faced with the surplus
01:01:05.780and the big thing on the table is you know do we do we let the government come up with a good plan
01:01:10.260to spend our money i say no i say no no no not at all i think we put a a structured plan together
01:01:16.340where you know 25 goes to debt repayment 25 goes to savings 25 goes into you know increasing the
01:01:23.620capacity that we need in alberta today and then 25 go to the people of alberta because in these times
01:01:29.220of uh challenged affordability are also times when we generally have high resource revenue and i think
01:01:35.540people of Alberta know what, you know, what to do with their own money better than the government
01:01:39.300ever can. And so I'm the candidate that's proposing that. Great. Well, and I imagine you'll be
01:01:44.300campaigning hard in the weeks to come. You're getting up on some deadlines. Where can people
01:01:47.940find more information about your campaign, where upcoming events are, all that good stuff in case
01:01:53.340they want to participate or donate or just write you to yell at you? Yeah. Thanks, Corey. Yeah.
01:01:59.520at johnhorstman.ca is where i can be found and uh we are yeah we're actively uh soliciting uh
01:02:06.240donations actively soliciting uh signatures and nominations and selling memberships and so
01:02:11.680if you believe that alberta needs a fresh voice and a new face and some new ideas
01:02:16.000uh please check out johnhorstman.ca j-o-n-h-o-r-s-m-a-n.ca and uh i'd be honored to uh
01:02:25.280represents you in Alberta. Great. Well, I really appreciate you coming on to talk to us today,
01:02:31.360Mr. Horsman, and I hope we can check in with you further down as the campaign develops.
01:02:35.760Great. Thank you. Great. Thanks. So I said that it was John Horsman. He's entered the race and
01:02:41.840something that, as I said, right off the bat stands out, at least he's not one of the recently
01:02:46.400former MLAs or tied in tightly with the party activities. So it is a bit of a different
01:02:51.840perspective. I'm just going to respond before I get to Dr. Sherman. Some of the comments too,
01:02:56.280some people are asking, you know, why didn't I hit harder on some of this or that? I'm kind of
01:03:00.400trying to, this is my first round with all the leadership candidates and there's a lot of them
01:03:04.000and I've gone through most. I'm sticking to a lot of the basic questions to start unless they want
01:03:08.020to initiate new subjects, of course. But I want to kind of give all of them the same bunch of
01:03:13.560questions. So we've got a baseline to start with going into this campaign and then we'll get a
01:03:18.940more specific as the campaign develops, especially when we get to the part where the official
01:03:24.060candidates are in or not in the race. So just before I get to Mr. Sherman, Dr. Sherman, I'm
01:03:31.020going to get to the sponsor. My schedule is a little off here. So just to remind everybody
01:03:36.360about the Canadian Shooting Sports Association, they've been a good sponsor for us for a long
01:03:40.360time now. And their name sort of says what they are all about. If you own firearms, you're a
01:03:45.960hunter, you're a target shooter, you're a collector, any of those things. It's your business,
01:03:49.480a law-abiding citizen. We've got a government that wants to take away your ability to do that.
01:03:54.300And it's important for you to stand up for yourself. And the best way to do that
01:03:57.280is to work together, gather in an association. And this association has been around for a long
01:04:03.120time. They are the association. Canadian Shooting Sports Association. They got all sorts of
01:04:07.600resources like anything else too, not just lobbying and pushing for your firearm rights,
01:04:10.880but just links to events and you know different ways of using firearms safe ways of using firearms
01:04:17.680other aspects hobbies trade shows check them out they're the Canadian Shooting Sports Association
01:04:22.860if you want to keep your right and ability to own and transfer firearms you got to be a member of
01:04:27.820these guys it's not that much money stand up for yourself join up their website is cssa-cila.org
01:04:35.500the Canadian Shooting Sports Association. Okay, let's bring Dr. Sherman in and talk about his
01:04:41.500campaign. We're having a full UCP day here. And yes, this is a face, Dr. Sherman, I haven't seen
01:04:48.200you publicly that much in some years now, though you were quite prolific. You've masochistically
01:04:53.400decided to jump back into the political ring. Corey, first of all, I apologize for being late.
01:05:00.320i was stuck in traffic and um so please forgive me um you know my family and my children said dad
01:05:08.880my kids said dad you got to get back in we have some major problems that we face after two years
01:05:14.000of covet um you know health care the homelessness the drug crisis we're 100 billion dollars in debt
01:05:21.760alberta has really struggled recently the economy is rebounding nicely but uh we need to build a
01:05:27.680strong economy and a strong society so i'm glad to throw my name back into the hat my main issue
01:05:33.440actually is to unify not only a political party but also our province we as the people are divided
01:05:40.240covered uh divided families divided best friends and rural and urban the reality is we're in this
01:05:46.400together when it's a war against the virus and uh i i do sincerely believe premier kenny and
01:05:53.280And all the leaders across the country sincerely tried.
01:05:56.540And I don't know if anyone got it right.
01:05:58.500We've never been faced with this, but we've had troubles on both sides of the ledger here with healthcare system collapsing.
01:06:04.700But then, you know, the isolations have hurt the economy, the mental health issues out there.
01:06:09.220Because you couldn't see a doctor for two years, we've got two years worth of delayed care.
01:06:13.840And that's actually the ability to not see a doctor for two years has caused major problems in the system as well.
01:06:19.760So I'm here to back out of private life, having had served seven years in the legislature, in the government side as a junior minister, through two ministers, three deputies, and five CEOs, when we sort of didn't do a good job of creating AHS and serving as an independent where I worked with every political party on an issue-by-issue basis.
01:06:40.320And as a leader of the opposition party, I learned a lot of stuff from the opposition about what didn't work in government and taught them what didn't work.
01:06:46.560So let's just be pragmatic about our politics.
01:06:49.760Well, you certainly sat in all roles during your time in the legislature, I guess.
01:06:54.120You know, it makes for a broad level of experience to look at things.
01:06:58.220Your campaign is kind of unique right now, too.
01:14:17.860So from a commenter, Pat Andrusiak, saying, you know, as well with refineries, as you've mentioned, you need pipelines for refineries.
01:14:24.860And I guess not just the local thing, but I mean, it's a point to bring up one of our big challenges.
01:14:28.860And it's been a big issue in this race is our relations with Ottawa.
01:14:31.860We're having difficulty developing our infrastructure for energy.
01:14:34.860for energy uh we have some ideological differences with the federal government how can we address the
01:14:40.380alienation and clashes we're having with ottawa right now cory i believe in uh being rich respectful
01:14:47.260you get more bees with honey than you do with vinegar you know uh we're in this together as
01:14:52.060a country and really we do need leadership at the federal level and i'm not seeing the leadership
01:14:56.380that's required to bring your country together you know our country is politically divided you
01:15:00.780You know, as soon as you cross Ontario, the federal election is over and our federal leaders need to, especially the liberal leaders need to understand that Western Canada, we're an integral part of this country where we generate lots of jobs.
01:15:14.660You know, I'd always say when I was the leader of the liberals, Bob Ray and Trudeau and I would always be butting heads every time they came to town and called for a tanker ban on the West Coast and a pipeline ban and said, come on, guys, you got tankers leaving the West Coast and you're getting two million barrels a day from the social media.
01:15:30.780in Venezuela on the East Coast. So what we would do under, in fact, what we should do, whether I'm
01:15:36.960elected as the leader of the party or not, good ideas to be shared with everyone. Let's talk to
01:15:43.220Saskatchewan and Manitoba and British Columbia. Let's ask Western Canadians to a transportation1.00
01:15:50.020and utility corridor across our provinces, straight to Hudson Bay, where the Churchill
01:15:55.140grain port is let's buy hydroelectric power from british columbia and vanitoba late at night when
01:16:01.580it's cheap to get down the cost of our energy and reduce our greenhouse foot our carbon dioxide
01:16:07.400footprint and let's run a gas with all the gas lines to that port double hull tanker the oil
01:16:13.020over the irving refineries that way we don't have to send our tankers down through the panama canal
01:16:18.560or sell our oil to the chinese or the americans it's 60 cents on the dollar that just doesn't
01:16:22.960make sense. We also need to get a pipeline to Prince Rupert. I grew up in British Columbia
01:16:27.500in Squamish, BC. We can't go through environmentally sensitive areas. Let's go to Prince Rupert and
01:16:34.520take our pipeline up north through Alaska. Let's go straight north through the Northwest Territories.0.54
01:16:39.060While we do this, let's send really good negotiators to Quebec saying, look, we'll give
01:16:43.780you a few cents of the dollar now, but let's create competition for pipelines. But once we get those
01:16:48.200other pipelines, they ain't getting anything. And you know what? Let's also get that Keystone
01:16:52.380pipeline down to the U.S. Yeah I mean I guess negotiating directly with the Americans that's
01:16:58.560kind of the point we've hit at where Premier Kenney has had to go to Washington I'd say
01:17:02.260ostensibly it's ironically just after or just before he got kicked out of the leadership but
01:17:06.260he did a really good job representing Alberta down there it should be the role of a federal
01:17:10.400government to do that but we know that when it comes to standing up for a policy we'd have to
01:17:14.560so I can presume you you would like to maintain a direct provincial American relations.
01:17:20.060Corey, when I was a Liberal leader, I never spoke of it, and I paid my own way.
01:17:24.440I was on a way to a family wedding in Boston, and I asked my assistant to call President Obama's office,
01:17:29.880said I want to meet the President, I want a meeting in the State Department,
01:17:32.980I'd like to meet the Energy Environment Committee.
01:17:35.340While I didn't meet President Obama, I met Raul Alvalar, the head person running the DNC.
01:17:39.700I got a meeting in the State Department, and I got a meeting in the Energy Committee
01:17:44.600that was run by Baba Gesser and Senator Manchin and Mary Landrieu in the Energy Committee.
01:17:49.280I met the Environment Committee, which was Senator Barbara Boxer, Sheldon Whitehouse, and in-walk Bernie Sanders, and we got into a disagreement, a heated disagreement, both the oil industry and the pipelines, and we just had to respectfully agree to disagree.
01:18:02.580I can walk in dishwashing tomorrow. On my roll index on my cell phone is the numbers of all the head Democrats. The reality is you have to be respectful.
01:18:11.180you can't chuck errors at the president's office from alberta and at ottawa for your partisan
01:18:16.840politics back here and then expect to be treated and greeted with and showered with you know
01:18:22.920welcomes the reality is senator manchin is probably the most most disliked democrat in the united
01:18:28.480states right now by the democrats um if you want to get this thing done you got to deal with the
01:18:33.360rest of the moderate democrats and as a lead if i'm given the privilege to be leader and even if
01:18:39.040I'm not. I would say, guys, we have to change our discourse, how we talk to our federal
01:18:43.920and international partners. Let's be respectful. You don't run business this way by being
01:18:49.160disrespectful of people. Great. Well, before I let you go, what other policy areas and
01:18:55.480topics would you like to cover for our viewers? You know, Corey, when, in fact, a friend of
01:19:01.760mine, a conservative friend said, you being liberal leaders, actually an asset, because
01:19:06.200i had to learn 20 different ministries and as an older wiser guy who's been there seven years who
01:19:11.560lived a lifetime in politics i understand how government works i would ask everyone please go
01:19:17.480to electraj.ca i don't have a lot of stuff up on there yet because i was the last person to enter
01:19:23.640but right now phase one is sign up and help every person running for the leadership go to their
01:19:30.600websites and sign up and help them get nominated. The deadline is tomorrow 5pm. It's a team game.
01:19:37.620We're a team. We're not competing against one another. We're all helping to build the
01:19:42.800conservative movement. I'm on the moderate end of it. I'm the only candidate from Edmonton.
01:19:48.420And yes, I have been known and called Mr. Healthcare in the past, but that's not my
01:19:52.820only issue that I'm running on. I think it would be dangerous for our province if we had a
01:19:59.600socialistic, majority government with $100 oil.
01:20:03.780So we have to work together as a team,