00:04:11.980So I'm going to play a two-minute clip
00:04:13.320of Conservative Party of Canada leadership contenders, Jean Charest, as he spoke to Terry
00:04:18.320Malusky back in 2018 with the CBC about the World Economic Forum. And let's hear what Jean Charest
00:04:25.220has to say about that organization. Premier of Quebec and the former Deputy Prime Minister of
00:04:29.640Canada, Jean Charest. I'm very glad you were able to join us, Mr. Charest, and I appreciate your time
00:04:34.400very much. I want you to know, first of all, if I can ask you, how can this trip to Davos serve
00:04:40.620Trudeau's purpose I mean how important is it really in promoting Canadian
00:04:44.340business does it make a difference well Davos is an interesting opportunity I
00:04:48.960went nine times as premier of Quebec and the advantage Terry is that there are a
00:04:52.800lot of decision-makers concentrated in the same place same time and you can
00:04:57.900meet a lot of people and get a lot of work done you've been there so many
00:05:01.620times so give me an example I mean what happens that actually I'm thinking of
00:05:07.320the CETA example. It grew out of, I think, you tell me if this is right or wrong, out of some
00:05:12.820backroom meeting you had at Davos, right? In 2007. And there were a number of people in
00:05:18.680Europe at the time that I consulted. One of them was the ex-president of Mexico who had done that,
00:05:24.280a gentleman named Zidio. So the point is, that's where you can meet these people and get things
00:05:29.680done. So it is a place where you can advance your cause. But it's also a place where typically
00:05:35.820countries like India or China will go to present themselves. Okay final word now on the big picture I guess for most people watching this they know that Davos is a place where the fancy people in private jets go and talk about things and have a great time and maybe hit the ski slopes. What can you point to to tell the average folks that it makes a difference that the economic results actually do emerge from Davos. You mentioned Cedar. Well that was a long time. That was 2007. What have you done for
00:06:05.800lately? Well, Terry, it's very simple. First of all, I don't know if a single politician went to
00:06:10.860Davos who actually skied. Look at it as a shopping center for politicians in the sense that it's an
00:06:16.680opportunity where you can meet a lot of political investors, that there are companies that will or
00:06:22.540have or are interested in investing in your country in a very short period of time. And it's a very
00:06:27.400efficient way of doing business if you look at it that way. So even, yes, it is elitist. It is,
00:06:32.680There's no doubt about that, movie stars and people.
00:06:36.000But at the end of the day, a prime minister can get a lot of good work done in Davos
00:06:41.460when they're well organized to meet a lot of decision makers.
00:06:44.520Jean Charest, always a pleasure to have you on, sir.
00:08:41.960He's just running for a party that happens to have conservative in the name.
00:08:45.460So let's bring Dave Naylor in to check in with the news and see what's happening in other areas outside of the crazed international conspiracies.
00:17:39.860Even though there's $5,000 cash rebates and all these things to join charger stations, they got to have to admit it's not there, but they won't.
00:17:47.140So we're talking about now they're moving on to banning, banning the sale of combustion engine
00:17:53.040cars. They're talking about putting quotas on salespeople. They're talking about forcing plants
00:17:58.040to get retooled. We're going to be in a lot of trouble, guys, a lot of trouble. I'll tell you,
00:18:02.640if you want a good investment right now, start buying gasoline and diesel-powered cars because
00:18:07.000if these morons in office carry on like they have, these collector's items are going to be worth a
00:18:12.420fortune when we have nothing but electric cars available that cost a fortune, don't have good
00:18:17.120charging facilities, don't have good range, don't work well in wintertime, and don't have a decent
00:18:21.500resale value. But, well, public opinion be damned. I mean, this gets back to a government that wants
00:18:28.120to tell you what to do rather than serve. You know, a government that doesn't trust you on your
00:18:34.040own to make decent decisions for yourself or the environment around you or for anything like that.
00:18:39.480They feel they have to be top-down, guiding you, pushing you, or even forcing you. You know,
00:18:44.900it's that attitude from government. And it's very disturbing and distressing. It's problematic.
00:18:50.320And that's just another symptom of it. You know, pollsters can find out what Canadians want,
00:18:54.940but our government, oh, they can find out too. They poll like crazy. The problem we got with
00:18:58.560our government right now is they don't care what we want. It doesn't matter. They've got an ideology
00:19:03.520and they're going to push it. And they're going to try and change us. You know, there's a term
00:19:07.680that used to be used a lot in the past. We used to use over and over social engineering. It's
00:19:11.880kind of fallen out of use. But it's true. They're trying to change our behavior. It's such an1.00
00:19:18.660arrogant attitude, an elitist attitude, the great unwashed masses. We have to model them into this
00:19:24.740better world of what we think. Look, guys, we will. We're evolving. We're getting better. The world,
00:19:29.400for the most part, is a better place. People are better people than they were 30 years ago,
00:19:32.860and we're going to continue to be. Stay out of our hair because the government's agenda isn't
00:19:38.100necessarily the same as ours. When you get in stirring around with us, it doesn't necessarily
00:19:42.200lead to better outcomes. Okay, well, let's get on. Speaking of buzzwords and things like that to our
00:19:47.480first guest for today, and he's been on before, this is author Mark Milkey, and he put a column
00:19:53.300out with us recently on, it was called the latest hit to taxpayers and entrepreneurs, pay equity
00:20:00.080salaries are based on Apple banana comparison. So let's bring Mark in and discuss what he was
00:20:05.980getting that there. Hey, Mark, how are you doing?
00:20:08.260Corey, I am doing well. Thanks for having me on.
00:20:10.780Great. No, it's always good to get you here. And you hit on some of these subjects that
00:20:14.300a lot of people don't like talking about, you know, and that's one of those ones is those two
00:20:18.840words, equity and equality. They sound so similar. They're kind of in related fields,
00:20:24.040but they're very different things, aren't they?
00:20:26.060Well, it's a bit Orwellian. I first wrote on pay equity back in the Financial Post 25 years ago,
00:20:30.520and we're still dealing with this issue. The notion of pay equity is basically about equal
00:20:35.080value, equal pay for jobs of equal value. Now, that's the catch right there, value. How do you
00:20:41.660value jobs? Well, usually the market values a job. If you get a whole bunch of people that are,
00:20:46.98017 years old, 18 years old, and they're available to work at McDonald's, they're probably going to
00:20:51.280be paid different than, say, a mining engineer who has to go to university and get training in
00:20:57.520both the mines and in engineering. But pay equity has come about basically because of lobbying,
00:21:04.180in part by government unions over the years. That was the first column I wrote on it 25 years ago.
00:21:08.580More recently, the Doug Ford government in Ontario talked about pay equity. It has a pay equity office,
00:21:13.700as it turns out. They ran an entire advertorial in the Globe and Mail lauding pay equity. Now,
00:21:19.620you often hear this in the context of women make two thirds of what men do. No, they don't. That's
00:21:25.620an average, right? And averages hide a whole bunch of reasons why when you tally up all the money men
00:21:32.980make all the money women make and come up with an average that doesn't tell you about hours worked,0.64
00:21:37.860it doesn't tell you about degrees, it doesn't tell you about time taken off or out of the0.96
00:21:41.860workforce to raise children, so on and so forth. So there's a whole bunch of problems with the
00:21:46.580notion of pay equity as opposed to equality of pay for the exact same job, which is a very
00:21:52.500different concept. Yeah, and that causes a lot of confusion and such. But I mean, just framing it
00:21:59.060that way it sounds unfair to people but I mean if it was jobs if it was the exact same job and
00:22:04.100somebody was paid based on one gender versus another a different amount I mean that's illegal
00:22:07.860it has been for a long time it's been illegal since the 1950s in Ontario for example I mean
00:22:12.740in the early 1950s Ontario passed laws against discrimination in employment in lodging in much
00:22:19.780else based on color based on gender now this is part of the problem today is that people don't
00:22:24.740know their history, not only their legislative history, but they don't know their legislative
00:22:30.020history and they don't know their legal history, their statistical history. They don't know how to
00:22:35.760break down statistics properly or averages. So you get these nonsensical declarations that somehow
00:22:41.220Canada is this bastion of inequality. No, it's not actually. I mean, if you're an employer in Canada
00:22:48.320and again, using the example of Ontario, at any point in the last 70 years, you could be hauled
00:22:53.900to court for discrimination if you pay a woman differently than a man for the exact same job.
00:22:59.580Now, there may be cases, I'm sure there have been cases where employers have tried to get around
00:23:04.100that. But the point is, it's been illegal for seven decades. It's not about equality. Pay equity
00:23:09.520is about trying to, it's a rubbery concept of, say, trying to compare clerical workers in the
00:23:15.280federal civil service, which is actually what I began writing about 25 years ago, and where there
00:23:19.960is some massive settlement to them worth billions of dollars just because it happens to be female1.00
00:23:24.620dominated. The argument is female dominated professions have historically been paid lower1.00
00:23:30.960because they're female dominated, say clerical work historically. Well, that's a bit questionable.
00:23:37.400There are male dominated professions such as soldiering, which actually pay quite low
00:23:41.620when you tally up the risk of working in that profession. And there's inequalities between
00:23:49.040male dominated professions such as the nhl and soldiering i mean the average not the average but
00:23:55.200the pay range i could find if you're in the canadian armed forces starting at a very basic
00:23:59.920level was something like 36 000 and i think the highest was around 180 000 well in the nhl a
00:24:07.200starting salary another male dominated professor profession is 900 000 and the top salary is 20
00:24:13.920million in Canadian dollars. So those are two male-dominated professions. And there are very
00:24:19.840different reasons, of course, why NHL players make a lot of money and soldiers don't. A lot of people
00:24:24.940go to NHL games and advertisers spend a lot of money on the NHL, paying the NHL, and so do fans.
00:24:31.800So there's a reason why the NHL pays a lot better in a male-dominated profession.
00:24:37.400And soldiers are not paid that well, which is another male-dominated profession. But unless
00:24:43.340you break these things down, you get stuck in this morass of somehow we live in a great
00:24:48.820age of inequality when it comes to pay between men and women. It ain't so.
00:24:53.760Well, and then you start getting into that sensitive area for a lot of people or politically
00:24:59.440dangerous area, but of acknowledging that there are some differences in inclinations generally
00:25:05.300among different genders. I mean, of course, there's many women drawn to the STEM fields1.00
00:25:09.560And there's many men drawn to nursing or other, you know, cross-gender type of areas.
00:25:14.180But there's still areas that will remain predominantly dominated by one gender or another.
00:25:18.820And you should be allowed to admit that.1.00
00:26:26.420And Somali Canadians, on average, are newer to Canada.
00:26:30.220The average, you know, person who's lived in Canada who has a Somali background is newer than a Taiwanese Canadian or Taiwanese Canadians may have been here for several generations in some cases.
00:26:40.220So there are differences in incomes because you can't simply come to a country and then start at the top of the economic or career profession.
00:26:48.440So there's all sorts of reasons why pay equity is such a flawed concept.
00:26:52.420And the language itself is really deceiving because, again, people think you're talking about equality, the same job, the same pay.
00:29:51.160because this is the only way to understand the flaw in pay equity psychology and claims.
00:29:56.120Let's suppose 50 women of those 100 women that are hired at the same time take five years off1.00
00:30:01.580or 10 years off to raise kids, come back to the same law firm. Are the 50 female lawyers that1.00
00:30:07.220stayed at the law firm that entire time, those entire 10 years, are those 50 women going to say,0.96
00:30:12.800yeah, you who have come back now to the firm, former colleague of mine with five years less
00:30:17.560experience can now make what I do. Of course not, because it's not about gender in this case. What
00:30:23.800it's about is experience, time served in the law firm. So even a 100 person female law firm,1.00
00:30:30.360you're going to see discrimination between women, between the women who have served 10 years in the0.97
00:30:35.800law firm and have more experience and those who served only five years because they took time
00:30:40.040off to raise children, for example, in this particular example. So the flaw with pay equity
00:30:45.480is it assumes all choices are equal and they're not and so they don't account for those career
00:30:50.280breaks they don't account for education in many cases they don't account for the time
00:30:54.760say a new cohort a new immigrant group is in the country versus an established group
00:30:59.160all of those factors so the doug ford government by pushing the pay equity concept is pushing a
00:31:04.360pretty flawed notion of why people get paid the way they do yeah so i was wondering though what
00:31:11.240What's inspiring on an ostensibly conservative government such as Doug Ford's, especially going into an election period, to dive into this morass?
00:31:19.820I mean, was there really pressure outside of perhaps organized labor to move in this direction?
00:31:23.540Or is it just being reactive, perhaps, and not really paying close attention to what people are concerned about?
00:31:29.640I'm not sure how long that the Ontario Pay Equity Office has been in existence.
00:31:32.900It may have predated the Doug Ford government, but I'm surprised it's still there.
00:31:37.120And plus, politicians don't have, frankly, don't have time to think deeply about some of these matters.
00:31:41.240So perhaps, you know, the premier himself or others, you know, in the Ontario caucus haven't given it any thought.
00:31:47.880It wouldn't be the first time politicians live on a on a phrase and think, well, that sounds nice.
00:31:52.620Who could be against equity? But it's not the same as equality.
00:31:56.140So I think it's it's in part because this has been pushed for a quarter century by government unions in particular.
00:32:02.400And this is where I first noticed it in the late 1990s. And it's very costly to taxpayers.
00:32:06.700It's also an interference in the marketplace because, again, some professions are going to find have a lot more supply of labor, and that drives down the price of that labor vis-a-vis, again, more specialized professions or, again, public professions such as the NHL, where, of course, a lot of money flows into the NHL, as I mentioned a moment ago, from consumers and advertisers.
00:32:28.600so uh it's a male-dominated profession um pretty much all male i think and uh but they're paid you
00:32:35.900know multiples of course again of what a soldier does now in a perfect we're not a perfect world
00:32:41.060in a world where somehow we could what uh quantify value exactly if we had that omniscient ability
00:32:49.400of course the soldier is worth more in some value concept we value them more in some in some notion
00:32:55.940than we do an NHL player because soldiers put their lives on the line, but they're paid a 20th
00:33:01.280really of, if that, of what soldiers are paid. So again, this says you can't really value
00:33:07.680professions based on value. You have to let the market decide or what taxpayers can afford to pay
00:33:12.360soldiers. So, I mean, as we keep swirling that though, because they're difficult buzzwords to
00:33:18.740battle against. I mean, they're feel good things. People just, if they're not going to look deeply
00:33:22.020at it, they'll support these things. But I mean, this can really make a mess of some employment
00:33:26.980markets, public sector and private sector, if we care. Well, it makes a mess of taxpayer finances.
00:33:32.740When I first wrote on this a quarter century ago, I can't believe it's been that long in the
00:33:37.140Financial Post, I had women call me up who were entrepreneurs and others who said, I get what's
00:33:42.920happening. It's government unions trying to shove more money in the direction of government employees.0.98
00:41:02.120So when you see these guys talking about it with the environment as well, at the same time, they're just looking at this as an opportunity. Hey, you know what? We've proven it now. If we just beat the economy down enough, we'll save all the fluffy bunnies. We'll stop global warming. And maybe David Suzuki's house and Al Gore's houses on the coast won't get flooded when the waters rise. Maybe. But I mean, these reports coming out, this is distressing.
00:41:48.480But again, that's because we're actually working
00:41:50.240and providing product for people throughout this.
00:41:52.420I mean, we needed more energy as we went.
00:41:54.660So, yes, our emissions went up. Get over it. You know, the hypocrisy of the interregional crap that we deal with, with people consuming fuel, with people heating their houses with gas, with people, electricity, a lot of it's natural gas fired, it's coal, it's things like that.
00:42:08.660and then they turn around and support extremists like Gilboa saying,
00:42:12.780we've got to shut down Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, even with their energy, BC.
00:42:16.220They don't understand. They're kicking themselves in the nuts.
00:42:19.180But they are, and that's what they're pushing with.
00:42:21.620So that's why even as things slowed down, Alberta's emissions went up.
00:42:25.160But it's not because we're evil, nasty Albertans, though we are, and that's fine.
00:42:28.620I'll embrace my evil nastiness as far as the establishment's concerned and many central Canadians.
00:42:34.140But it's because no matter how bad the pandemic was, we still had to produce energy.
00:42:38.040you have to do it. You still got to drive your car. You still have to heat your house. This is
00:42:41.700Canada. We will die if we don't produce these energy sources. Unicorn dust and the laughter of
00:42:48.240children won't keep you warm in January. We need to burn fossil fuels for that. But this is where
00:42:55.600we are sitting and that's where the discourse and the dialogue are right now. You know, global
00:43:01.800warming, I'll be discussing some of that maybe with Chris Oldcorn when he does come in in a
00:43:05.900little bit here is Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Boy, they've been enjoying that global warming to the
00:43:10.220tune of what, a couple of feet of snow in April. Speaking of Saskatchewan, you know, we don't pay
00:43:17.080enough attention to our neighbors to the east of us. I'm glad to have Chris out there because I
00:43:20.880mean, Saskatchewan and Alberta have such parallel issues, parallel attitudes, parallel economies.
00:43:25.600I do feel if and when the independence movement really gets a role in, it has to be province by
00:43:30.620province, but I'd like to see Alberta and Saskatchewan moving lockstep. But there's a
00:43:34.840story that came out with a town, let's see, the hamlet of Big
00:43:38.340Beaver, Saskatchewan. And there was not a single vote for a
00:43:42.800liberal in that whole town, not a one. And I know this isn't a
00:43:45.740giant city or anything, but still have an entire town where
00:43:48.720you didn't get a single vote. That's something to be
00:43:51.680celebrated. So a shout out to the residents of Big Beaver,
00:43:55.320Saskatchewan. Not only is the name of your town fodder for
00:43:59.180many, many tasteless jokes, but at the same time, Big Beaver is
00:44:02.940also a place that will not vote liberal. I hope that you set an example of tastelessness and good
00:44:10.400voting that the rest of the country can continue to follow up with. Let's see. So a conservative
00:44:15.480MP Robert Kitchen won Big Beaver with 85% of the vote. And looks like it's near the Montana border
00:44:24.320has 65 electors. So yeah, not a whole lot. But you know what? Zero to 65 is the same as zero out of
00:44:30.760100 is the same amount of zero out of 100,000. That was the perfect liberal voting turnout. So
00:44:35.460Mr. Kitchen, make sure you pay attention to your big beaver down in South Saskatchewan because they
00:44:40.820value you. And if you take them for granted, you might end up getting a couple of liberal voters
00:44:45.740down there. And that would be humiliating after you've set this great example of that. We saw,
00:44:51.240let's see, Wapella, Saskatchewan, they had 354 people and they had one liberal ballot. But you
00:44:57.920know, that could have been a typo. I mean, they also said in the story that loan ballots are
00:45:02.040usually actually cast by party scrutineers. You know, the party's always going to have at least
00:45:05.920one representative in there watching the polls, but they cut a lot. So, I mean, so let's celebrate
00:45:11.560some good news things. Let's see another without a liberal supporter, Cola, Manitoba, 1500 people
00:45:18.300there. And that town didn't have a single liberal supporter either. So, you know, Saskatchewan's not
00:45:24.740along. See, I like to report on good news stories now and then talk about stuff that's upbeat.
00:45:32.140Getting onto the downbeat again now. Let's see. Thomas, Mike Thomas, he was in last week. He's
00:45:37.200great when we get him in and talking on the show. He's written a good column on the Western Standard
00:45:40.960just to remind everybody as well that interest, the bank rate is going to hit everyone in the
00:45:45.780pocketbook. You know, everybody knows this. Nobody likes to talk about it, but they got to face it.
00:45:50.100Some are denying it, which is the major goal is to extinguish Canadian housing markets that have been on fire in the last two years and stabilize prices, a process that may have started before the increase.
00:46:01.980Of course, the problem with that is when the government starts getting in, trying to directly impact markets, trying to directly change markets, they make a mess of markets.
00:46:12.880And then you get into seesaws and ups and downs.
00:46:17.000So, I mean, the inflation is putting pressure on everybody.
00:46:20.820It can't remain unchecked like that for too much longer.
00:46:23.840Increasing our, you know, economic development and things like that would help with it.
00:46:29.800Bringing more things on for supply in general, like such as energy supply, such as housing
00:57:16.900And the question then becomes, is it worth spending all this money if you're going to cost people all this money over the next eight, 10 years before it's finally even usable to create energy?
00:57:29.980Like, where are we going to be? Like, should they just put up some solar panels and it's way cheaper?
00:57:35.720Like, do we actually need to start putting in these nuclear reactors or is there other ways we can use energy cheaply?
00:57:42.580i mean gas is normally cheap um but they put so many different barriers in so i mean i just i'm
00:57:52.020doing a story right now it's gonna be up later today on mining in saskatchewan and saskatchewan
00:57:56.980is the second best place in the world to explore and to mine uh everywhere and a lot of it has to
00:58:05.700do with the public policy and how easy it is to do business and then also what you have in the
00:58:10.980ground i mean saskatchewan's a third of all the potash that was made last year and the question
00:58:18.740then there is well that's a really good spot but now they're getting and there's something tabled
00:58:24.100in the legislature they're having problems with land claims bc ranked very poorly in this mining
00:58:31.620study because of land claims because they take so long to move to the legal system saskatchewan
00:58:37.300is about to have the same problem. Last week, I actually met with the lawyer for the Indigenous
00:58:42.420group and their consultant about this exact thing. And they are moving forward with the case because
00:58:49.060right now there is a policy, and I use that term loosely, that they have to send a fax
00:58:56.520to Indigenous tribe. And they have 30 days. And if they don't hear anything back,0.56
00:59:03.300then that's called due diligence in Saskatchewan. Hence the reason they ranked near the top of the
00:59:07.940world. Well, there was a problem with that in that they sent a fax to an indigenous group that didn't
00:59:14.560have a fax machine anymore. They removed their fax machine. Exactly. Who keeps fax machines? So
00:59:20.200they were actually never consulted because they never received the fax. And no one called to say,
00:59:25.720hey, why? Because normally they get a response back if they want to talk or whatever. And they
00:59:31.580didn't, but they didn't do anything about it. And this has opened up a big problem, because now
00:59:36.640there's a legal case where they didn't do their due diligence on a very large mining project.
00:59:42.940I think, to be honest, the Indigenous group probably has a very good case. I mean, you know,
00:59:47.840you might as well have a policy saying, well, we sent it through Morse code with the telegraph.
00:59:51.300Why weren't you guys listening? That's essentially what happened. And they're like,
00:59:55.880we haven't had a fax machine. Like, they haven't had a fax machine for like seven years or something.
01:00:01.500They're not even sure where they even got the fax machine number from
01:00:04.420because it wasn't listed on their website or any of their information.
01:00:08.360There was no fax number, but they faxed this document.
01:00:11.360Let's get back to what I was talking about with government earlier.
01:00:13.360You know, these are guys who can't manage to even get their own payroll system, right?
01:01:28.420and we were talking about inflation and some of the other issues.
01:01:31.380And I said, well, it would be, because they asked me about the jobs.
01:01:34.440And I said, well, the interesting, we actually had two job numbers.
01:01:37.340We have the number of how many government jobs were created
01:01:39.680and how many private sector jobs were created.
01:01:41.800Because if it's a one-to-one ratio, these people here are working,
01:01:44.980they're not creating enough tax money to pay for the government workers over here.
01:01:48.780So it would be useful to really know if we had two different types of job numbers.
01:01:53.960What is the percentage of private jobs to public jobs?
01:01:57.280Is it 9 to 1? Is it 10 to 1? Because the closer you get to, you know, almost being 1 to 1, you can't afford to pay for that. So it'd be nice to know if they could actually release stats on exactly, yes, there's nine public sector jobs for every one, you know, sorry, private sector job for every one public sector job and things like that.
01:02:17.640So in the broader section with the budget, though, I mean, Saskatchewan is a very resource-based
01:02:21.560economy, much like Alberta. We actually balanced our budget here. I mean, due to some credit for
01:02:28.680some responsible spending, for the most part because of spiking resources. I know it makes
01:02:33.160UCP supporters cringe when I say that, but there's truth to it. You know, I mean,
01:02:37.160you've got a good break with the resource prices here. So did Saskatchewan. Was there a plan,
01:02:41.720though? Does it look like they're moving towards balanced budget or is it still kind of an endless
01:02:46.280string of deficits like so many well here's the interesting thing um this past year their
01:02:52.760resources jumped 2.9 billion that they generated the previous year was 1.3 so i got a 1.6 billion
01:03:01.080increase year over year in the money they generated from resources in the province
01:03:06.440and they still managed to have a 400 bill 400 million dollar deficit even when their resource
01:03:13.400revenue is more than doubled and they also put up a bunch of taxes as well 32 new taxes and fees
01:03:21.080and then they've put on another eight percent on your um electricity bill last week as well
01:03:26.200so and they've added pst to all kinds of things too so every and and it's weird because every
01:03:31.400industry that got hit with covet like gyms sports uh all that now there's psc on that so now if you
01:03:37.880if you want to go to a Rough Rider game, there's PST on that before there wasn't. You want to get
01:03:43.180a gym membership. There's no GST on that when there wasn't. And it's almost like they're punishing
01:03:47.220the businesses who they've been punishing for three years with making their product more expensive
01:03:53.200because they put the PST on it. PST on the Rough Riders. I mean, they're getting into some dangerous
01:03:58.600waters there. I mean, that's a blasphemy in Saskatchewan. Oh, I know a story where there's
01:04:04.040are common from the Rough Rider organization, and they are not pleased. They feel that they
01:04:11.300are being unfairly targeted by the government, like sports and events, because that's basically
01:06:24.020They had less doctors in the province when they finished being in government in 2007 than when they started.
01:06:32.180And they also had some big issues where they cut certain health care programs at the colleges and universities.
01:06:40.180And now we're seeing the problem there.
01:06:42.640So, for example, there's what's called a registered psychiatric nurse in Saskatchewan.
01:06:47.660Well, the NDP cut that program in 2001.
01:06:51.460The Saskatchewan Party brought it back in 2008.
01:06:54.020Well, they need to replace 120 psychiatric nurses right now per year that are retiring, but they're only training 80 because they can't find anyone to teach it because the demographic that would have the experience to teach it, they weren't training anybody in the province at that time period.
01:07:13.620Right. So they have this weird gap where they have really young psychiatric nurses, and they have ones that are basically close to retirement or retired, but don't want to go teach for five years over, you know, University of Virginia or whatever.
01:07:26.760Well, and that ties into one thing I'd like to hit before we're finished. And that's, you wrote on the healthcare, because you've got hallway care going on. There's elements of the Saskatchewan healthcare system that are being overwhelmed. It's not unique to Saskatchewan either. You know, I mean, I've had longer rants about that on problems with the entire Canadian system.
01:07:41.800But either way, that's a real problem.
01:07:44.180I mean, the government's taking in more revenue.
01:25:46.720It's building that atmosphere like we've seen in the states where families are actually divided.
01:25:50.660They can't get together because one person in the family was an open Trump supporter and one was an open Clinton supporter and they still never got over it because we had this sick atmosphere of social media and conventional media feeding this hysteric division between each other on this sort of thing.
01:26:08.180And it's wrong and it's just not good.
01:26:49.620So I would say there's no polling worth of crap coming out of that man's company ever again.
01:26:56.960Also lets you know how reliable some of those pollsters are in general.
01:27:01.220I mean, everybody's got their own personal biases, but if you're a professional, you try to set some aside if you're in a business like that.